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“Inspired by the American Super Stallion”: in the Indian press about the Sino-Russian helicopter AHL

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“Inspired by the American Super Stallion”: in the Indian press about the Sino-Russian helicopter AHL

Russia and China are creating a new AC332 AHL rotorcraft capable of competing with the existing "heavyweights" in this class of equipment. At the same time, a number of experts believe that the developers took advantage of design solutions that are characteristic of existing samples.


Sino-Russian 38-ton AHL heavy-lift helicopter project inspired by the American CH-53E Super Stallion

- noted in the publication Defense World.

This conclusion in the Indian press is based on the fact that the AHL will have a main and tail rotor, like the CH-53E, and not a tandem rotor. This conclusion seems rather strange. Many helicopters have a similar AHL screw layout, including the Mi-26, which even visually resembles the new product, especially in comparison with the CH-53E, having an elongated rather than a barrel-shaped fuselage. However, this controversial conclusion has already begun to spread various Western resources.

As Chinese columnist Deng Jinghui explained to CCTV, the PRC has less expertise in building machines with a tandem rotor, such as the CH-47 Chinook, so using this technology could carry more risks when developing a new product.

As expected, the AC332 AHL will be a helicopter with a high payload (10 tons in the cockpit and 15 tons on the external sling). Its maximum takeoff weight will be 38,2 tons, flight altitude 5700 meters, range - 391 km at a maximum speed of 300 km per hour.

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  1. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 14 January 2022 17: 39
    +1
    Since the designers were inspired by something, it means they worked with inspiration! Thanks to the afftors for the high appreciation of the Chinese-Russian work! laughing
    1. Orange bigg
      Orange bigg 14 January 2022 17: 45
      +12
      The author of the article was inspired by Zelensky with his comedic work. Why does he write such nonsense.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 14 January 2022 20: 16
        +5
        Quote: OrangeBigg
        The author of the article was inspired by Zelensky with his comedic work. Why does he write such nonsense.

        And it also stands on three wheels and it has windows ... It’s like they slammed the Americans!
        The representative of the "great aircraft building power" commented on the new Russian-Chinese helicopter ... And made me the rest of the day good laughing laughing laughing
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 15 January 2022 00: 02
          +8
          "Inspired by American Super Stallion"
          Directly, one-to-one copied:

          This is what you need to have a fantasy to talk about inspiration looking at the forms of Super Stallion.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 15 January 2022 04: 57
            +6
            Quote: Bad_gr
            Directly, one-to-one copied:

            What looks like... laughing True, I can’t drink enough to confuse them. But, apparently, the one who compared - can.
          2. avg
            avg 15 January 2022 16: 14
            0
            Quote: Bad_gr
            This is what you need to have a fantasy to talk about inspiration looking at the forms of Super Stallion.

            He looks like a cross between an elephant and a rhinoceros, and this is closer to the Indians. yes
    2. dauria
      dauria 14 January 2022 18: 19
      +6
      Once the designers were inspired by something

      Than-than. The fact that the Mi-6 retired and there was nothing left between the Mi-8 and Mi-26. And the six is ​​an amazing car, with a bunch of world records and a long service life. At least now take it from 1959 and do it - the same AC332 AHL will come out.
      1. Bad_gr
        Bad_gr 14 January 2022 23: 15
        +4
        Quote: dauria
        The fact that the Mi-6 retired and there was nothing left between the Mi-8 and Mi-26.
        Mi-38
        1. bayard
          bayard 15 January 2022 14: 06
          +1
          Quote: Bad_gr
          Mi-38

          The Mi-38 was supposed to replace the Mi-8, I saw its layout back in 1986.
          According to the Soviet classification, he went as a medium-lift helicopter on the upper bar.
    3. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 14 January 2022 18: 57
      +5
      It is similar to the Mi-6, it just lacks the wings for some completeness of resemblance. Just average in terms of carrying capacity between the Mi-26 and Mi-8.

      Let's take a look at their performance characteristics:
      The length of the Mi-6 is 33 meters, and the new one is 35.
      The main rotor diameter of the Mi-6 is 35 meters, and the AC332 is 37 meters ...
      In terms of the weight of the lifted load, the Mi-6 record was 20 tons, and the promising machine declared 15 tons, calculated.

      They are classmates. But it should be noted that the new helicopter will have D-136 engines from the Mi-26 ...
      Well, other materials are used. Propeller Mi-6, for example, wooden ...

      Therefore, for this project, the Russian side has collected its own, the best and most proven. We also took Chinese technologies and money from our comrades.

      And those for whom the sun rises in Washington and the homeland of elephants there will be compared exclusively with their own standard! It doesn't matter to them, everything should be the very thing ...
      1. dauria
        dauria 14 January 2022 20: 03
        +5
        Screw Mi-6, for example, wooden ...

        wink Well, only the steering was wooden. "Kichiki". Squadron of Gena Salnikov. Ah, youth.
  2. andrewkor
    andrewkor 14 January 2022 17: 39
    +11
    They are Indians, if only where to humiliate China. They only know how to dance!
  3. rocket757
    rocket757 14 January 2022 17: 40
    +7
    Yes, what’s the matter with us, let them chat ....
    We have our own school of helicopter engineering, long-standing and successful.
    1. marchcat
      marchcat 14 January 2022 17: 50
      +4
      Well, it remains only to listen to the Indian "experts" about the helicopter industry. Whose would mumble ... and the Indian was silent.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 14 January 2022 18: 37
        0
        About that and speech.
        The more our designers invent, create, the more squealing will be heard around.
        And then, as we wanted, the "gas station country" does not have the right to invent and create anything!?
        As it is, they want it.
    2. Prapor-527
      Prapor-527 14 January 2022 18: 10
      +3
      The dog barks, the caravan goes on.
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 14 January 2022 18: 16
        +4
        The Hindus dance, the caravan moves on.
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 14 January 2022 18: 38
          +2
          And he also knows how to fly ... contrary to gravity.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 14 January 2022 20: 24
            +1
            Quote: rocket757
            And he also knows how to fly ... contrary to gravity.

            I have one friend who graduated from the Saratov Helicopter School back in the Soviet Union, always said
            I understand with my head why the helicopter flies. I can even explain to someone. With my heart - I don’t understand how IT can stay in the air.
            laughing
            1. rocket757
              rocket757 14 January 2022 22: 19
              +5
              When we flew in a helicopter, for some reason, not the laws of physics were remembered, but prayers ...
              Reflex to recorded on top dressing ...
          2. dauria
            dauria 15 January 2022 03: 48
            +3
            he also knows how to fly ... contrary to gravity.

            A chicken can fly, and you won't be surprised. But how does he travel on the ground? recourse Is it all wheel drive or is it just the cardan to the rear? laughing
            1. Bad_gr
              Bad_gr 15 January 2022 11: 35
              +3
              Quote: dauria
              A chicken can fly, and you won't be surprised.

              When I was doing parachuting, the instructor launched a rooster from the plane: they thought it would soar over the fields like an eagle. In general, they gave him such an opportunity. Alas, the rooster tumbled in the air until it hit the ground.
              To whom it is not given to fly, it is not given.
              1. Bubuzon
                Bubuzon 15 January 2022 13: 45
                0
                The rooster then went to the soup because it crashed into the trash. The monsters killed the bird. laughing
      2. rocket757
        rocket757 14 January 2022 18: 46
        0
        And what about a dog that will bark if it has not been taught to sit and wait for the moment when it is possible to break, or even pull the slow-witted for soft, gentle.
  4. Orange bigg
    Orange bigg 14 January 2022 17: 42
    0
    “Inspired by the American Super Stallion”: in the Indian press about the Sino-Russian helicopter AHL

    The joke is not funny in the style of the 95 quarter.
  5. Voltsky
    Voltsky 14 January 2022 17: 43
    +2
    wicked article:
    Before the super-gelding took off, there were already heavy rotorcraft projects in the Soviet of Deputies and, consequently, in the Russian school of helicopter engineering.
    I would score carnations in my heels for such texts, as well as for articles in the style of "Russian / th something there", which already implies counterfeit
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 14 January 2022 17: 45
    +2
    The range is very small. Why? Maybe a typo? 391 km...
    In terms of parameters, the helicopter really looks like an American. There are actually two engines. Engines, probably, "Klimovsky" ... But only that in terms of parameters. Outwardly - not a bit ...
    1. Errr
      Errr 14 January 2022 18: 02
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      The engines are probably "Klimovskie" ...
      Initially, they planned to install the Ivchenkovsky D-136, but then for some reason they changed their minds. Perm PD-12V will be installed, but this is not earlier than 2025, because the latter are not quite ready yet.
  7. gvozdan
    gvozdan 14 January 2022 17: 46
    -1
    What did the Mi-8 Mi-18 Mi-38 not suit?
    1. hohol95
      hohol95 14 January 2022 18: 04
      +2
      Loading capacity!
      Mi-6/26 !!!
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  9. hohol95
    hohol95 14 January 2022 18: 04
    +1
    The spitting image of the Mi-26 !!!
    And the developments on the Yak-24 are outdated long ago!
  10. eehnie
    eehnie 14 January 2022 19: 32
    0
    The most likely origin of this new helicopter is the Mi-46 project and the likely designation if there is a Russian production (something that should happen). The clear predecessor of this new helicopter is the Mi-6/10/22, which used the same configuration and was the same size. It is important to note that the serial production of the Mi-6/10/22 began earlier than the first flight of the United States helicopter. The conclusion of the Indian press is incorrect.

    Many people think that the Mi-26/27 was the successor to the Mi-6/10/22, but they are not in the same weight category. The Mi-6/10/22 and Mi-46/AC332 AHL helicopters belong to the An-72/71/74 and An-148/158 weight categories, where demand for helicopters prevails today. Instead, the Mi-26/27 is in the An-10/12 and Su-Superjet weight categories, where both airplanes and helicopters successfully operate.

    The development of a real successor to the Mi-6/10/22 was driven by Chinese demand, but this is what happens when there is real demand for a product. It is logical if there is a Chinese designation, it is logical if there is production in China, but China cannot expect that this will be an exclusive technology, as if it were their own development, and the option of production under a Russian brand would be logical, at least for the Russian market, including the Russian Armed Forces.

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    The most likely origin of this new helicopter is the Mi-46 project, and the likely designation if there is a Russian production (something that should happen). The clear predecessor of this new helicopter is the Mi-6/10/22, that used this same configuration and was of the same size. It is important to note that the Mi-6/10/22 started serial production earlier than the first flight of the helicopter of the United States. The conclusion of the Indian press is wrong.

    Many people think that the Mi-26/27 was the successor of the Mi-6/10/22, but they are not in the same weight category. The Mi-6/10/22 and the Mi-46/AC332 AHL are in the weight category of the An-72/71/74 and the An-148/158, where helicopters dominate today the demand. Instead, the Mi-26/27 is in the weight category of the An-10/12 and the Su-Superjet, where both aircrafts and helicopters are are successfull.

    The development of the real successor of the Mi-6/10/22 has been impulsed by Chinese demand, but this is what happens when there is a real demand for some product. It is logical if there is a Chinese designation, it is logical if there is a production in China, but China can not expect this to be an exclusive technology, like if it would be their own development, and the option of production under Russian brand would be logical, at least for the Russian market, including for the Russian Armed Forces.
  11. Real Pilot
    Real Pilot 14 January 2022 20: 18
    0
    Quote: dauria
    Screw Mi-6, for example, wooden ...

    wink Well, only the steering was wooden. "Kichiki". Squadron of Gena Salnikov. Ah, youth.

    Naturally, the helmsman. I didn’t talk about the carrier, I didn’t add the word “tail” or “helmsman” by mistake, although I meant it. I'm sorry.

    And I said about it precisely because of the fact that with external and conceptual similarities, more modern materials and engines will be used. wink
  12. AML
    AML 14 January 2022 20: 52
    0
    Quote: andrewkor
    They are Indians, if only where to humiliate China. They only know how to dance!

    What are you talking about them. They still sing a lot.
  13. Avior
    Avior 14 January 2022 22: 19
    -1
    Unclear....
    The ex-head of BP also spoke about the AC332 AH heavy helicopter development project with China. The negotiations began 13 years ago, and things are still there, although in 2016, during Putin's visit to Beijing, an intergovernmental agreement was signed. On June 25, 2021, a contract was signed, but Russia, as a small contractor, will develop only part of the units: transmission, tail rotor and anti-icing system.

    Today the project is at an early stage. Only the technical appearance of the helicopter was agreed upon, and its layout was presented for the first time at the China Helicopter Expo in Tianjin in 2015. The new helicopter will be close in performance to the Mi-26. But in Russia there is no big market for this helicopter. Therefore, the right to sell abroad is granted only to China

    https://vpk.name/news/567644_tumannye_plany_vertoletov_rossii.html
  14. vovochkarzhevsky
    vovochkarzhevsky 15 January 2022 13: 43
    +1
    Here's what else I dug up.
    https://vpk.name/library/f/ac332-ahl.html
    Features:

    The length of the helicopter - 35 m .;

    The height of the helicopter - 7,84 m.;

    The diameter of the rotor - 37 m.;

    Maximum take-off weight - 38 200 kg .;

    Payload Mass - 15 000 kg .;

    Cruising speed - 240 km \ h.;

    Maximum flight speed - 300 km \ h.;

    Maximum flight range - 630 km .;

    Maximum flight height - 5700 m.;

    Powerplant - 2 x PD-12V;

    Power: 2 x 11 500 hp.;

    Crew - 3 people .;

    Capacity - 30 people


    The first thing that is not clear is why such a powerful, comparable to the Mi-26, power plant, for such a modest payload?
    Secondly, this is the capacity of the cargo compartment at the level of the Mi-8, a total of 30 people. Mi-38 even holds up to 40.
    No, the Russian army does not need such guano.
  15. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 16 January 2022 08: 13
    +1
    Campaign, the Indians began to look for how to lick amers, and this is bad.
  16. tralmaster
    tralmaster 16 January 2022 10: 37
    +1
    what were you smoking when you wrote this. You can only write this when you're high. How can you compare a Karasavian and an American monster.
  17. Eug
    Eug 16 January 2022 12: 59
    0
    Indians, in principle, cannot like Russian-Chinese projects, therefore such "conclusions". And in general, what is the essence of the claims - in the use of the classical scheme? It would be tandem - there would be claims in similarity to the Chinook.
    1. vovochkarzhevsky
      vovochkarzhevsky 16 January 2022 19: 49
      0
      The classic scheme is the invention of the great Yuryev.
  18. Chief Officer Lom
    Chief Officer Lom 16 January 2022 16: 20
    0
    America claims that all good things come only from her, as an exception, sometimes a little bit Europe helps. Everything else is stolen from America. Now they are not even shy about accusing them of stealing the completed development of what they themselves have not yet been able to do. You can point out the obvious lies of their propaganda as much as you like, pathetic attempts to justify themselves are drowning in the powerful shaft of their media.