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Foreign press: US and NATO talks with Russia have shown that there will be no war for Ukraine

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Western media comment on a series of talks that were held with Russian representatives this week. These negotiations started on January 10 in Geneva, where the delegations of the Russian Federation and the United States met, then on January 12 a meeting took place in the format of the Russia-NATO Council, on the eve (January 13), negotiations were held between Russia and the OSCE in Vienna.

Following the talks, the NATO Secretary General said that no concessions would be made with regard to Russia and that the alliance's "open door" policy remains relevant. According to Stoltenberg, "Russia cannot dictate to NATO whether to accept certain countries into the alliance or not."

However, an article was published in the American edition of The New York Times, which says that this is only "the official position at the press conference." In fact, the US and NATO actually agreed with the Russian position that Ukraine and Georgia will not be admitted to the alliance, at least in the short and medium term. The publication refers to high-ranking representatives of the alliance and to the American administration. As evidence, the fact is cited that neither Ukraine nor Georgia has yet received the so-called MAP - a membership action plan. This is a document that unambiguously defines the period of time after which a country is admitted to NATO.

The Polish edition of Wirtualna Polska points to a statement by the head of the Russian Foreign Ministry Sergei Lavrov, who noted that Russia continues to consider the United States as the main partner for negotiations and perceives negotiations with the United States as the main ones of the whole troika “Russia-USA”, “Russia-NATO”, “Russia- OSCE ". In fact, this makes it clear that it is the US decision that is capable of overriding all other decisions that are made by the "collective" West.

The Polish press notes that the US and NATO negotiations with Russia have clearly shown that there will be no war for Ukraine. But there will be a "redistribution of spheres of influence in Europe," which cannot but affect the countries of Eastern Europe. In particular, it is noted that ultimately Eastern Europe may receive the status of a "militarily neutral region" - following the example of Sweden and Finland.

The German press said that the West initially reacted extremely negatively to the words of one of the deputy foreign ministers of the Russian Federation about the readiness of a military response to stop the threat against the Russian Federation. Then, as noted, there was a positive reaction after the words of Russian President Vladimir Putin that "Moscow will not brandish a stick (cudgel)."
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  1. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 14 January 2022 06: 56
    +11
    Ukraine and Georgia will not be accepted into the alliance, at least in the short and medium term
    Even The New York Times understood this, unlike Ukraine, which continues to moan and stand with outstretched hands. Pleased the Poles, who finally also began to understand that the so-called. the "collective west" is a fiction and it all depends on the decision of the United States.
    Eastern Europe could eventually become a "military neutral region"
    It would be nice, but there are big doubts that the Americans will go for it.
    1. Tatyana
      Tatyana 14 January 2022 07: 07
      +18
      The talks between the US and NATO with Russia unequivocally showed that there will be no war for Ukraine. But there will be a "redistribution of spheres of influence in Europe", which cannot but affect the countries of Eastern Europe. In particular, it is noted that in the end, Eastern Europe may receive the status of a "militarily neutral region" - following the example of Sweden and Finland.

      Somehow I don’t really believe in such a “good” outcome of the negotiations!
      For in the US Congress there are only Russophobes - "handicapped people" - like Victoria Nuland are sitting!
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 14 January 2022 07: 38
        +7
        Quote: Tatiana
        The talks between the US and NATO with Russia unequivocally showed that there will be no war for Ukraine.

        Somehow I don’t really believe in such a “good” outcome of the negotiations!
        For in the US Congress there are only Russophobes - "handicapped people" - like Victoria Nuland are sitting!
        And why should they fight for Ukraine? You can fight for the woman you love, for your wife, after all. And the station girl is not worth it - he paid a ruble - she is already, without war, with your giblets. Even Nuland, I think, understands this - no one forbade her to carry cookies.
        1. military_cat
          military_cat 14 January 2022 07: 56
          .
          Ukraine and Georgia will not be accepted into the alliance, at least in the short and medium term

          It was clear and true. To find out, it was not necessary to announce red lines, legally binding guarantees, roll out a draft agreement and receive an answer that this is not your business, go for a walk.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 14 January 2022 11: 09
            +6
            Quote: military_cat
            Ukraine and Georgia will not be accepted into the alliance, at least in the short and medium term

            It was clear and true. To find out, it was not necessary to announce red lines, legally binding guarantees, roll out a draft agreement and receive an answer that this is not your business, go for a walk.

            Conversations, conversations, but the demands were put forward with the condition of obtaining WRITTEN guarantees. In addition, the topics discussed were much broader than "the future of Ukraine and Georgia," which everyone was obsessed with. There will be no signed agreement, we will see what response measures will follow from Russia. This "talk" just ended yesterday and today it is too early to judge the result. Probably the official answer will be formulated not earlier than in a week.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 15 January 2022 20: 46
              -6
              War for Ukraine? There will be no war for Ukraine! Will fast operation to force Ukraine to peace and the denazification of Ukraine will begin! lol
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 15 January 2022 21: 04
                +2
                Yes, I, Vladimir, didn’t seem to write anything about the war with Ukraine. However, it can be assumed that legal recognition of the LDNR will follow within the established administrative boundaries with the displacement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the demarcation line beyond them. It would not be bad if they did not limit themselves to this and "convincingly insisted" that the Kherson, Zaporozhye, Dnipropetrovsk and Kharkiv regions would be a demilitarized zone without units of the Armed Forces of Ukraine and under the control of Russian peacekeepers along the new line of demarcation exactly along the Dnieper.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 15 January 2022 21: 09
                  -2
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  However, it can be assumed that legal recognition of the LDNR will follow within the established administrative boundaries with the displacement of the Armed Forces of Ukraine from the demarcation line beyond them.

                  I doubt it. HALF solution does NOT solve the problem. Although I admit that the stop will be on Zbruch. smile
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 15 January 2022 21: 45
                    +1
                    Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                    Although I admit that the stop will be on Zbruch.
                    Well, in principle, the same is not a bad place yes
        2. Palmyra
          Palmyra 15 January 2022 13: 14
          +2
          If a beloved woman, there is a cash cow, they fight for it .. Who just like that, distributes sources of income? No.
    2. ROSS_51
      ROSS_51 16 January 2022 01: 51
      0
      Quote: rotmistr60
      It would be nice, but there are big doubts that the Americans will go for it.

      Perhaps even the Americans will realize that it is extremely stupid to put Russia in a position where the only chance for survival remains is to deliver a preventive strike with Iskanders at sites for cruise missiles under construction in Ukraine for the time being .. Well, at the same time open the mines of strategists for airing ..
  2. Thrifty
    Thrifty 14 January 2022 07: 01
    +2
    Why do we need to swing a club when we can hit from our feet???
    1. nnm
      nnm 14 January 2022 07: 09
      +3
      Who can we hit like that, dear colleague? And with what consequences for themselves and for the world as a whole?
      1. mojohed2012
        mojohed2012 14 January 2022 08: 46
        0
        For example, to begin to remotely suppress artillery firing points of the Armed Forces of Ukraine. And be silent that this is from our territory.
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  4. nnm
    nnm 14 January 2022 07: 04
    +1
    Oh, I'm not sure .... The United States has nowhere to retreat - it is necessary to prove that they still have hegemonic status. And that’s why they again allocated $ 200 million additionally for armaments, and therefore they started talking about the incomprehensible status of NATO + ... Yes, with their lives (well, except for advisers and instructors, well, MTRs) they will not fight, but they will do everything to Russia had no other choice but to occupy the buffer zone along the territory of the conditional Dnieper. And then, they will start yelling at all corners about aggression and the analogy with Hitler, and the Europeans will not get anywhere from switching to exclusively American gas, and from sanctions on bank transfers, etc. Will China help us survive the reconfiguration of the entire system? Oh, hardly. He will definitely not miss the opportunity of a more than profitable exchange for himself.
    So I would not jump to conclusions that the threat has passed.
    It seems to me that, if possible, it is necessary to send troops to Cuba and Venezuela, then the United States will already be forced to play the role of bad guys, which will untie our hands in Ukraine.
    1. KCA
      KCA 14 January 2022 07: 25
      +8
      200 million is how much, 1 or 1.5 aircraft can be bought? Taking into account also weapons, the organization of training for flight and technical personnel, the organization of the maintenance itself? Well, taking into account the fact that the plane will be used, will it be enough for one, or will the US MiGi-29 be driven? Without air defense and aviation, these 200 million are nothing, moreover, half will be plundered by the Ukrainians, together with the Americans
      1. nnm
        nnm 14 January 2022 07: 27
        +5
        1. This is just an addition to the 450 million allocated earlier. And how much more goes through closed programs ..
        Stringers are already being handed over to them, counter-battery systems, and so on. If the air defense is also tightened up, it will not be good at all.
        2. If you think that this penny amount, then in vain. The entire military budget of Ukraine, if I am not mistaken, is in the region of 12 billion rubles.
        3. The militarization of a neighboring, anti-Russian country with as much as 35-40 million people is not good at all. And you can talk as much as you like that we will "go there on our feet", but for some reason I want not to throw my hat along with everyone, but to be smarter and act more subtle through politics (for example, preparing and financing our Maidan) and diplomacy, and not by force.
        1. Borz
          Borz 14 January 2022 07: 55
          0
          I believe that it’s not a horse, speaking of US military assistance to Ukraine. Embezzlement, carelessness and incompetence are three reasons that Ukraine will not pose a serious threat to the Russian Armed Forces. Disturb and annoy, yes, definitely. But ... the rabble will remain a rabble. An army of marginals, no matter what weapon you use, an army of marginals will remain. I agree with you that it is necessary to act more cunningly, to use economic measures.
          1. nnm
            nnm 14 January 2022 08: 13
            0
            So the United States does not need either a strong Ukraine or its strong army. They are well aware that funds will generally be stolen. They need to:
            1. Ukraine sat tightly on a credit needle, compromising on politicians;
            2. Provoked a war with Russia.
            And then they do not care what is left of Ukraine.
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 14 January 2022 08: 33
              +1
              Quote: nnm
              what then remains of Ukraine they do not care.

              They don't give a damn about anything but their own interests!
  5. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 January 2022 07: 12
    +4
    If we analyze Sullivan, then the bargaining is wild. Our position is bent: Bargaining is not appropriate here.
  6. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 14 January 2022 07: 20
    +3
    Ukraine and Georgia - and someone really prepared to accept them, but now they said we won’t accept them? And what date, in what year? and they solved their territorial problems, with which they are not accepted into NATO? what about all these negotiations? despite the fact that they weren’t given guarantees of non-acceptance anyway ... and who really needs them in NATO officially - they are “ready for anything” even without membership .. but to move them to something, just without NATO membership is more profitable if something does not need to be protected ..
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 14 January 2022 07: 48
      +3
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      Ukraine and Georgia - and someone really prepared to accept them, but now they said we won’t accept them? And what date, in what year?

      Yes, as if no one was going to - and so they have their whatever they want from them. But what a wonderful negotiating argument!
      We, with pain in our hearts, yielding to pressure, agree (although we do not promise) not to accept them into NATO. BYE ... But you too, be kind ...

      (A list of 8 (eight) pages is attached)

      And this song will be eternal as long as there is Ukraine with Georgia and NATO.
    2. Shiden
      Shiden 14 January 2022 13: 25
      -3
      Nikolai, I’ve read all the comments and there is an opinion that everyone sees in these negotiations the victory of Russian diplomacy. Although there is no result, all the demands received a categorical no. I wasn’t surprised by the clause on not accepting Ukraine and Georgia into NATO in the Kremlin’s demands. It seems that everyone on the site knows that in order to get NATO membership, you need not to have territorial disputes. Why should someone bring this clause into negotiations? no one covered, and you know why, by the fact that then it will become clear to the people without any experts, political scientists and various academicians that the Russian Foreign Ministry completely screwed up.
      1. Azimuth
        Azimuth 15 January 2022 13: 27
        +1
        Well, the Russian Federation began to make claims, so Biden will fulfill them? This is funny. Putin makes passions rise, but why? Biden doesn't want disarmament, great. Therefore, Trump is for disarmament. It feels like Putin is preparing an election campaign for Trump. I think they will sign something with Trump and there will be Donald the peacemaker, they will give the Nobel Prize.
        1. Shiden
          Shiden 15 January 2022 13: 51
          -2
          Do you think Trump will comply, like some youthful naivete. You know why I only named one point of the negotiations and get only minuses. Yes, because this is the main thing that was set for Ryabkov, not in 97 where NATO should return, not missile defense missiles and exercises near the border, but precisely this point. And this was confirmed by Mr. Lavrov at a press conference, the Russian Foreign Ministry did not succeed in "Munich number 2 " do.
          1. Azimuth
            Azimuth 15 January 2022 16: 23
            0
            And here to perform or not to perform? It's time to snap. Putin, if not with Biden, then with another, it will be with another president that he will talk. A lot of time passed when there were no conversations at all. And NATO is for the people, they divide spheres of influence. As in the economy, and in politics, look, currency zones are also discussed, and where which troops are located is secondary.
            1. Shiden
              Shiden 15 January 2022 18: 42
              -2
              Correctly with this approach, I want to fulfill international treaties, I want not to fulfill you and you will snap and shout to the whole world that they don’t understand you and don’t want to communicate. Once you finally hide your eyes and look at the problem not through the prism of patriotism, but as a normal person, and I’m afraid what you will see is not what they tell you on the box. Here you say that Mr. Putin will agree with another, but the fact that for eight years you have not been able to agree does not bother you.
              1. notingem
                notingem 15 January 2022 22: 54
                0
                The main thing is that the tsar father does not raise the retirement age again. And so let him dictate his will to partners, it’s not a pity
                1. Shiden
                  Shiden 15 January 2022 23: 15
                  -1
                  I would agree with your comment, but it reminds me of an old joke. A hard worker came to the director and said what is criticism from above and what is from below. He thought and said get out of the office and stand under the window. The boss went out onto the balcony and spat on the hard worker and said this is criticism from above, and now spit on me, the worker spat and drooled on the head of the boar, and the director says and this is criticism from below. And the meaning of the joke is that the top can do whatever they want, but the common people will rake their eccentricities. Or I'm wrong.
              2. Azimuth
                Azimuth 16 January 2022 23: 55
                0
                Uh .., 8 years ago, the Russian Federation was a rogue country and it was not possible to demand something. Now the time has changed both economics and politics. The time has come to demand, another question is enough strength to demand, to bend your line.
                1. Shiden
                  Shiden 17 January 2022 09: 20
                  -2
                  Aleksey, where did you get such confidence that 8 years ago the Russian Federation was a rogue. If you remember what they wrote 8 years ago on VO where to object, there was nothing that Russia was a great power and not a gas station country. Now that we see sanctions is bad, building up troops it’s bad at the border, Putin’s infantryman also imagined that he was the owner of the Caucasus, the economy is also not going smoothly. Tell me frankly who is to blame for the people or the authorities, for me, so about the battle.
                  1. Azimuth
                    Azimuth 18 January 2022 12: 47
                    0
                    I agree. Every nation deserves its own president. But time passes and everything changes. The interests of the Russian Federation should not be ignored as before. Why should these interests be ignored? From the fact that they consider the Russian Federation weak? Or has it not yet dawned that it is not weak? And the sanctions (more precisely, discriminatory unilateral restrictions) are the same war, albeit an economic, informational one ... It all comes down to a struggle for power. Let there be redistribution into currency zones, delimitation of spheres of influence, economic wars, protectionism, sanctions. It is no longer possible to snatch a piece from the Russian Federation, because the leverage of the Russian Federation on the decisions of its closest neighbors is oh so strong, one gas is currently enough to influence the budgets of countries so much that the government definitely did not even dream of winning in the next elections.
                    1. Shiden
                      Shiden 18 January 2022 12: 58
                      -2
                      And until the age of 14, someone ignored the interests of Russia or imposed sanctions. There was no such thing, and suddenly everything appeared. Do not find all this strange why not in 08 not 10, namely in 14, everything changed.
                      1. Azimuth
                        Azimuth 18 January 2022 13: 48
                        0
                        Yeah, tell me that there was no support for Chechnya from our "Partners", Georgia 08.08, Syria. What is the dispute about? About when When did the Russian Federation begin to strain the United States? Or about the US reaction?
                      2. Shiden
                        Shiden 18 January 2022 14: 01
                        -2
                        Aleksey, why did the whole world recognize Chechnya as independent or that there were no such sanctions against the Russian Federation. It’s the same with Georgia and Syria, but the West and the USA spoke out against Russia’s action. So Russia also expressed its point of view on Yugoslavia, Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan in the international arena and no one carried out sanctions and political isolation. There was no tension, but in 14 everything changed, honestly answer me Russia is to blame for this or not.
                      3. Azimuth
                        Azimuth 18 January 2022 14: 22
                        0
                        Yes, I was strained and 00, and at 14, and in the 20s. RF made it clear that bust. No interference in political life in other countries is over. Here are the ears growing out of it. Or do you have a different opinion?
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 January 2022 07: 36
    +6
    Sullivan yesterday: Within 24 hours, the US intelligence community will provide a report on Russia's plans against Ukraine. The time has come, we are waiting!!!! bully
    1. aszzz888
      aszzz888 14 January 2022 07: 57
      +4

      tralflot1832 (Andrey S.)
      Today, 07: 36
      NEW
      0
      Sullivan yesterday: Within 24 hours, the US intelligence community will provide a report on Russia's plans against Ukraine. Time has passed, wait !!!! bully
      What kind of "intelligence community" the merikatos has - we know very well. They pull quotes from newspapers and magazines, videos from YouTube, blind them in a heap and will stick out their fingers like a fan.
      1. riwas
        riwas 14 January 2022 08: 48
        +4
        What kind of "intelligence community" the merikatos has - we know very well. They pull quotes from newspapers and magazines, videos from YouTube, blind them in a heap and will stick out their fingers like a fan.

        And there are more comments on VO.
        1. Or me
          Or me 14 January 2022 10: 32
          +2

          riwas (riwas)
          Today, 08: 48
          NEW

          +2
          What kind of "intelligence community" the merikatos has - we know very well. They pull quotes from newspapers and magazines, videos from YouTube, blind them in a heap and will stick out their fingers like a fan.

          And there are more comments on VO.
          Here, in VO, to a greater extent, much more truthful infa than the "intelligence community" produces laughing the whole omerigi.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 14 January 2022 09: 20
        +2
        Well, yes, they dispersed the bulk, there is no one to shoot fakes at the border! hi
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 14 January 2022 08: 04
      +2
      hi
      Quote: tralflot1832
      Within 24 hours, the US intelligence community will provide a report on Russia's plans against Ukraine.

      Come on ... Nothing new will happen. They have this report - a daily procedure for many months now. Routine, working moment. I hold planning meetings for the chiefs of the sections at work less often than they publish reports on "aggressive plans of Russia against Ukraine." Boring, girls ... Turn on your imagination, it's time to invent something new. On Poland, perhaps, "attack" would have gathered, or something. Or to Germany ...
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 14 January 2022 09: 23
        +5
        Do not fire the pipeline troops of Russia, they are going along the joint venture 2 to Germany along the bottom of the Baltic Sea !!! OH, I said a lot. hi
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 14 January 2022 12: 10
          +4
          Quote: tralflot1832
          Do not fire the pipeline troops of Russia, they are going along the joint venture 2 to Germany along the bottom of the Baltic Sea !!! OH, I said a lot. hi

          You, Andrey, really, that one ... Be careful with the state secret ... Just the same, today the pipeline workers have a holiday, and you reveal to the adversaries the secret that the pipeline troops are those who go on the offensive through the pipes in battalions. Ay-ay...
          1. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 14 January 2022 12: 45
            +2
            Well, I’m so for psychological pressure. They have agent 007, too, roaming here and there, on a shastal through a gas pipeline! repeat
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 14 January 2022 14: 50
              +1
              Quote: tralflot1832
              They also have agent 007 roaming here and there, on a roam along the gas pipeline!

              So 007 ... You look at him in the cinema and think: "We would have a platoon of these - and the rest of the army can be disbanded ..." laughing laughing
              1. tralflot1832
                tralflot1832 14 January 2022 15: 00
                +3
                It seems that agent 007, a woman, with an interesting skin color and an indeterminate orientation, is being discussed in the next series. lol
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 14 January 2022 15: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: tralflot1832
                  It seems that agent 007, a woman, with an interesting skin color and an indeterminate orientation, is being discussed in the next series. lol

                  Was reading. fool I don’t know how the James Bonds are alive - they somehow need to correspond to the “new tolerant winds in cinema”, and Sean Connery and Roger Moore, I feel, all sides were peeled off, spinning in coffins from the “new reading” of the image of agent 007.
  8. HAM
    HAM 14 January 2022 08: 19
    0
    The Americans, for example, do not accept (yet) Ukraine and Georgia into the alliance, but they accept Finland and Sweden, thereby, in fact, achieving their goals ..... the loop is closed.
    Behind the smoke of talking about Ukraine, they are bending their own .... the Swedes and Finns are almost ready, they will squeeze how to give a drink ...
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 08: 35
      -3
      they are actually in nato
  9. yuriy55
    yuriy55 14 January 2022 08: 35
    +1
    US and NATO talks with Russia showed that there will be no war for Ukraine

    No one doubted that this would be the final conclusion. Neither a pig in a poke, nor someone else's collar in Europe, no one "wants to drag."
    As for Ukraine:
  10. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 14 January 2022 08: 44
    0
    Foreign press: Negotiations between the US and NATO with Russia have shown that there will be no war for Ukraine.
    Friendship won?
    In particular, it is noted that in the end, Eastern Europe may receive the status of a "militarily neutral region" - following the example of Sweden and Finland.
    fool To do this, the United States must dismantle its missile defense systems in Poland and Romania. Yes, and remove the "trainee instructors" (what they do there, you can't make out) from the Ruins!
  11. riwas
    riwas 14 January 2022 08: 46
    +1
    US and NATO talks with Russia showed that there will be no war for Ukraine

    It will be if Ukraine feels permissiveness and twitches.
  12. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 14 January 2022 10: 22
    -4
    Any normal person understands that Ukraine, with its poverty and bare-assed, and thieving people, is not needed by anyone. This is a bottomless barrel. I hope our government will understand that the "fraternal people" is very expensive and unpromising. Much cheaper to build an autobahn from Moscow to the Moon. The thinking of the current citizens of Ukraine cannot be changed. America, the EU and NATO have long understood this and are benefiting from Ukraine in the form of cheap labor or cheap troops.
    1. prior
      prior 14 January 2022 10: 40
      +1
      Cheaper is more expensive...
      Stalin did not hesitate to seize all the countries bordering Russia with much fewer resources and install puppet communist regimes there. Thus creating a safety belt. Even then, England was an ardent opponent of the inclusion of Yugoslavia, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary in the zone of influence of Russia. But Stalin knew how to set tasks and achieve their fulfillment. What's better than Ukraine?
      And in relation to feeding - let him switch to pasture. What they earned, they ate.
      1. Andrei Nikolaevich
        Andrei Nikolaevich 14 January 2022 10: 55
        -2
        Remarkable. But you did not take into account the main power of the Red Army, which raised almost all of Europe under itself. And this is one and the most important argument in any negotiations. And the GDP did not dare to send troops from the Crimea to the Odessa region. I do not want to judge the correctness of this decision, since I have no right to do so. But by not sending troops, the Kremlin received both sanctions and demonstrated weakness. I repeat, I do not condemn the authorities for this, but there are no special grounds to praise.
        1. prior
          prior 14 January 2022 11: 09
          +3
          I would like to think that the armed forces are created in order to defend and fight, and not to create an illusion.
          And if the work of diplomats was not enough to ensure the security of the country, the military should take up the issue.
          Tokayev had enough willpower to invite the CSTO troops - he saved power and the country from the crisis. Yanukovych did not praise the use of force, the people of Ukraine have Bandera hemorrhoids for many years.
          Words have been more than enough... hi
          1. Andrei Nikolaevich
            Andrei Nikolaevich 14 January 2022 11: 18
            -1
            I agree with every word of yours. And Takaev is smart. Aged. Strict. Consistent. But I am sure that Tokayev will push Nazarbayev and all his fosterlings away. Already moving.
            1. prior
              prior 14 January 2022 11: 32
              +1
              Tokayev is a "flower" from Nazarbayev's "flower bed".
              To praise him now is very reckless.
              Let's wait for "autumn", then we will count ....
              1. Andrei Nikolaevich
                Andrei Nikolaevich 14 January 2022 12: 25
                0
                It can be a flower, from any "flower bed", but personal ambitions are present in every policy. And the "flower beds" can be trampled down, over time. Politics....
  13. Emergency
    Emergency 14 January 2022 14: 25
    0
    "... after the words of Russian President Vladimir Putin that "Moscow will not brandish a stick (club)." (c) Of course it won't. Why shake it? Raise and zhakhnet, if you finish.
  14. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 14 January 2022 18: 15
    0
    Moscow will not do anything at all, it simply cannot bring to mind and put into production the armament that has been riding in the Victory Parade for 7 years in a row, it has been building corvettes for 9 years, submarines for 11 years, what global answer can we talk about then? And about Venezuela, Cuba - and somebody actually asked them if they wanted to host our missiles, planes, radar stations, navy, troops? And how are they going to deliver all this there? We carry everything to Syria and then through the straits of the NATO countries. Sheer idiocy. It is clear that they wanted to impudently bluff the US and NATO into fear, but there is intelligence there. They checked again - Russia has nothing, nothing that cannot be dealt with. And so they sent Moscow far away, so much so that Ryabkov had hiccups. Bluff revealed, didn't work. In Russia, a generation of degenerates is growing up, raised by Dom2, Tiktoks, Margensterns and other stupefying means. In Russia, most of the population lives off loans and mortgages, which are strangling them more and more. The sanctions are gradually starting to affect the Russian economy and will only get worse. Domestic excitement will build up. All this is a consequence of the Kremlin's strategic mistakes and miscalculations - in 2013 they did not support Yanukovych with special forces and riot police, did not support the LDNR offensive against Kiev with cover of the Aerospace Forces and others, did not demolish the rotten pro-Western anti-Russian government. Sanctions have been and will continue to exist without it. Now we are reaping the benefits.
    1. Vatnichek
      Vatnichek 14 January 2022 22: 23
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      About the bluff, be more careful, Vladimir Vladimirovich should have a “knight's move on the head” in reserve, I don’t think that he is inferior to you in intelligence. Wherever you poke - entirely strategists, economists, virologists, etc., everyone strives to give advice from the couch.
      1. TatarinSSSR
        TatarinSSSR 15 January 2022 07: 56
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        Yes it is. Each. And therefore, from the moves of 25 years, no one in the Kremlin noticed how in Ukraine they were pumped up with anti-Russianism, nationalism, Benderism, fascism, they were preparing to withdraw it from the CIS to the EU, and then to NATO, with the expulsion of the World Cup from Crimea, the knight’s move was a bet on Yanukovych , with a Maydan gift of $ 3 billion, and everything else that followed after. Not to mention hundreds of all sorts of ministers, mayors, governors, prosecutors, generals and colonels who have been stealing billions from the budget for years - it was also a horse's move not to notice them. The importation of millions of migrants from Asia, the former republics, to construction sites in Russia - which now top the crime rating throughout the country - is a horse's move. Etc. I'm not talking about the downed SU-24 by the Turks, the death of the IL-20 because of Israel and other things like that - a knife in the back like and tomatoes. The Olympics, which cost hundreds of billions to the budget, plus the plundered, after which they took the medals from our athletes. And the World Cup for football, after which a dozen huge stadiums are idle and hotels are empty, hanging like an ax in the budgets of cities. The Vostochny Cosmodrome, ogotyvgy billions of dozens of thieves in power. Don't throw the knight's moves anywhere. Especially the knight's move is the clown Foreign Ministry with its famous worries and regrets. Let's see, of course, what the Kremlin will do for the next knight's move. Judging by the rise in prices in the country and tightening the screws on various taxes and fines, it will be tough.
  15. Gennady1966
    Gennady1966 15 January 2022 00: 59
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    Friends. I'm new here. I've been reading for a long time. Decided to write. There are 197 countries in the world approximately recognized by all for 2022. There are 30 countries in NATO. And what, NATO just sleeps like that and sees how to soak all the remaining countries? I understand that the main contingent here is retired military. I graduated from the Moscow Aviation Institute, passed the military department. Traveled a lot around the world. Everywhere people are open, smiling, ready to help. My brother did the operation in Germany. The hip joint changed. He says, silt in Munich, the crutch fell. So three people rushed to me to pick up a crutch. And if he had fallen, he says, in Ryazan, they would have stepped on his back. So what am I talking about? And you do not distort with the threats of the West of Russia. We have been living under capitalism for 30 years. During this time, Mother Russia could be plowed up and down with NATO caterpillars, and more than once. Where am I wrong?
    1. TatarinSSSR
      TatarinSSSR 15 January 2022 08: 01
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      Have you got crutches? On Google - the attack of migrants on girls on New Year's holidays in Germany. Learn the modern world from the other side as an example.
      1. Gennady1966
        Gennady1966 16 January 2022 00: 17
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        Excuse me, but who are the migrants? Are these Germans? Why distort.
        1. TatarinSSSR
          TatarinSSSR 16 January 2022 07: 28
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          And who allowed all this and much more? Not the Germans themselves? And the Germans are different for the Germans. The old generation of pedantic Germans is leaving. A generation of tolerant sufferers has come.