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Drones in a global war: "flying containers" for commandos

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In 1944, Allied forces carried out Operation Market Garden, one of the largest airborne landings in stories.


The multi-day battle for the Dutch bridges brought many bitter lessons, paid for by the lives of the soldiers of the anti-Hitler coalition.

One of the most important among them was the limited ability to supply remote footholds from the air: the Royal Air Force desperately broke into the landing zones under Nazi anti-aircraft fire to deliver supplies for the paratroopers, but everything was in vain - due to the lack of communication and actual coordinates, most of the cargo fell into hands of German soldiers.

This predetermined the sad end of the British paratroopers: no matter how steadfastly and courageously the "Red Devils" repelled Nazi attacks in the "Arnhem" zone, the lack of reinforcements, ammunition, heavy weapons and medicines have done their job.

Supply problem


Decades have passed: doctrines and tactics, equipment and delivery vehicles have changed, and paratroopers have given way to airmobile units. But the problem of supplying remote bridgeheads and, most importantly, small units of special forces operating behind the enemy’s front line, has not gone away.

With the development of air defense systems, it, perhaps, only escalated - for objective reasons, dropping transport containers directly in the zone of operations became practically impossible.

Western military thought over the past decades has been actively moving towards expanding the capabilities of military transport aviation. The realities of network-centric wars and global confrontation with a numerous and well-armed enemy in the face of China and the Russian Federation smoothly led the NATO bloc to the need to turn even into auxiliary, but still combat units, even such initially “peaceful” examples of flying vehicles as transport workers and air tankers.


Their functionality has been expanded from aircraft turrets for unmanned fighters to platforms for launching cruise missiles - and, of course, it also touched on the expansion of logistical capabilities.

The US military is already considering a number of promising projects ready for mass production.

Perhaps the most interesting and complete among them is the disposable cargo glider of the American company Yates Electrospace Corporation GD-2000 Silent Arrow.

The US Air Force has already signed a contract for additional R&D and the purchase of a test batch of a military model of this airframe (as part of the Precision Guided Bundle project), which will be a slightly smaller and noise-proof version of the GD-2000.

Characteristics of the transport UAV Silent Arrow GD-2000


• Dimensions of the shipping container - 2,43 meters in length, wingspan - 8,5 meters, volume - 0,75 cubic meters. mm;
• maximum flight weight - 907 kg;
• payload - 740 kg;
• glide slope ratio – 8,4:1;
• stall speed: 115 km/h - with a load of 453 kg, 170 km/h - with a load of 907 kg;
• drop height – 460–7600 m;
• flight range - up to 64 km;
• control systems - COTS Pixhawk Cube, GPS, magnetometer, barometer, IMU, LiDAR, Pitot, optional RF, optional FPV.

Structurally, this unit is a plywood box with aluminum stiffeners, which is the fuselage of the drone. The UAV is delivered to the customer in the form of a box - all its elements are inside the cargo airframe itself and are assembled immediately before its use (it should be noted that the assembly does not require any special preparation, which is certainly a great advantage).

The drone has four supporting wings, which open in flight under the action of a spring mechanism.


The manufacturer Silent Arrow notes that this unmanned glider is half the price of the Joint Precision Airdrop System used in the US Armed Forces and 2,5 times its range.

In addition, the UAV can be launched from almost any air platform at the disposal of the United States: this includes both C-17, C-130, Cessna Caravan transport aircraft, as well as CH-53 helicopters or V-22 convertiplanes.

Reducing the length of the container as part of the Precision Guided Bundle project will make it possible to launch an unmanned transport even from HH-60W Jolly Green II helicopters, pushing them out of the side doors of the troop compartment, as well as MH-47G Chinook army helicopters.

However, enough talk about the dry technical and tactical characteristics of the device - we are much more interested in the concept of its use in the realities of modern Western military thought.

In the article, we have repeatedly mentioned the forces of special operations, and by no means without reason - after all, unmanned gliders are created primarily in their interests.

In the last decade, under the influence of the practical experience of a number of local conflicts, the armies of the North Atlantic Alliance began a deep reworking of the usual tactics of special forces.

If 30 years ago, special forces units were seen only as small commando groups with very limited functionality and modest firepower, now they are increasingly appearing as almost the central strike force of the ground forces - at least that is what we could observe in many wars in recent decades.

Quite eloquent in this respect is the example of Turkish commando units operating in Syria and Libya directly as assault units, relying on the firepower of drones and artillery.

Highly mobile, well-trained and well-equipped groups delivered strikes against an enemy many times superior to them, which ultimately turned the scales in favor of the Republic of Turkey in both of the above conflicts. It is worth noting that this was a demonstration of far from the most advanced tactics and not in the most brilliant execution.




Of course, the use of special forces in the role of linear units causes a number of serious problems associated with their insufficient firepower and limited logistical capabilities.

If the first was sufficiently compensated by high mobility, high-tech weapons systems (high-precision rifle systems, 3rd generation anti-tank systems, kamikaze drones, etc.) and improved interaction with other branches of the armed forces (artillery, aviation or fleet), then supplying special forces on the battlefield during high-intensity battles has become a rather non-trivial task.

So, the British Special Boat Service (SBS), an elite unit of the Royal Navy, in the course of the latest reform, has acquired special supply units that provide logistics for mobile commando units directly on the battlefield.

This tactic proved to be incredibly beneficial, as demonstrated by the recent Green Dagger exercise, in which the British defeated three battalions of US Marines in devastating scores. High mobility, situational awareness and excellent supply provided the commandos with a number of advantages in the face of a numerically superior enemy.


Of course, the practical experience gained prompted the Western armed forces to the logical idea of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXb"point" logistics - to transport gliders, which became the topic of our conversation today.

"Flying containers" make it possible to ensure the delivery of goods at the current coordinates literally on the heads of the commandos.

As mentioned earlier, Silent Arrow has a very solid arsenal of navigation tools and can even be controlled using FPV technology, that is, in real time, which will allow the operator to direct the drone, focusing on, say, signal smoke in conditions of lack of communication (and , respectively, the ability to obtain the GPS coordinates of the unit).

In turn, the long flight range (~ 64 km) allows the launch of this UAV without entering the zone of destruction of the most common air defense systems: small-caliber anti-aircraft artillery, MANPADS, short-range mobile air defense systems, which, of course, has a positive effect on survival manned aviation.

The GD-2000 itself, due to its design and materials used, is practically invisible to radar.

It is worth noting that Yates Electrospace Corporation is also developing a transport unmanned glider with an electric motor - this will further expand the capabilities of Silent Arrow, multiplying its flight range. Of course, this is an excellent groundwork for supplying mobile groups that conduct operations in the area of ​​​​enemy air defense, and given the low cost of transport UAVs (from 15 to 30 thousand dollars), this is also an opportunity to establish logistics even for supplying large units operating apart from the main forces.

The production of the drone is organized both in the US and in the UK (is under deployment).

Despite the fact that funding comes mainly from the US Air Force and MTR, the project is interested in a large number of foreign buyers (for example, in the face of British commandos), the US Army and the US Navy. The latter want a version of the Silent Arrow that can splash down and stay afloat for a long time.

Given the large number of carrier-based helicopters on US Navy ships, transport drones look like a rather tempting opportunity to expand their functionality, at least as part of the supply of naval special forces or units of the Marine Corps.

The "naval" version of the fiberglass drone has already been brought to the prototype stage and is awaiting further funding.

Transport UAVs are an extremely interesting and promising technology, useful not only in peacetime or limited-scale conflicts, but also in global combat operations. As the example of American developers shows, this is a very real, affordable and low-cost technology that will definitely develop further.
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 16 January 2022 05: 14
    0
    Already, in some places in the civilian sphere, UAVs are used to deliver small goods and services, although crime is in full swing there (they are trying to throw drugs, cell phones and other goodies in the colony) ... the military is a little behind this direction.
    smile
    1. dauria
      dauria 16 January 2022 05: 48
      +4
      for the delivery of small goods and services,

      Something with a length and scope was written wrong 2, 43 and 8, 5 meters. Even visually, not to mention the fact that such a ratio is not normal. And with the application, too, it does not fit in the head. If a sabotage group - then what for it to give out such a drop of cargo. If a serious one (at least a battalion) is not enough to feed it with ammunition (not only riflemen) and fuel for a railway car for a day. The Germans got out of the Junkers Yu-52 only purely morally in the boiler.
      And in general, something strange with these landings. Previously, they tried to avoid encirclement, broke through, released. Now, on the contrary, they themselves climb into the loop ..
      1. YOUR
        YOUR 16 January 2022 08: 43
        0
        Do you think it’s more imperceptible to drop what is needed for the group located in the rear by parachute?
        The landing party always fights in the environment. During the Second World War, there were few airborne assaults, but they did their mission. They broke through, unblocked ordinary military units, not landing
        1. dauria
          dauria 16 January 2022 10: 42
          +2
          Do you think it’s more imperceptible to drop what is needed for the group located in the rear by parachute?

          I think the range is short. Ideally, a transporter at an altitude of 8 km approaches the front line and throws out cargo at 60 km (this is if the point is at sea level). If such a goose can shy away along the leading edge, then what prevents a tiltrotor or helicopter from flying for another ten minutes and landing where it needs to?
          This is probably not a matter of secrecy, but simply accuracy. That is, above the static ceiling of helicopters (3500 m), you can’t sit down, and you can’t miss the mark (a narrow mountain pass). Nothing else comes to mind.
          1. demiurg
            demiurg 16 January 2022 11: 31
            +3
            60km, this is already a serious air defense system, of the S-300 level. And no one puts such on the front line, at least forty kilometers from the front line. Otherwise, artillery / MLRS gouge.
            But 3-7 km, this is MANPADS or MZA.

            The cost of delivery is cheap, the accuracy of delivery is the highest, and the safety of the pilots is on top. If there is air supremacy, then it is.
            1. Anzhey V.
              16 January 2022 13: 54
              +2
              60km, this is already a serious air defense system, of the S-300 level. And no one puts such on the front line, at least forty kilometers from the front line. Otherwise, artillery / MLRS gouge.
              But 3-7 km, this is MANPADS or MZA.


              You are right, this is not even the level of army air defense. Moreover, a version with an electric motor is being developed, and its range will be even higher.

              In any case, even if some of the gliders are shot down, these are acceptable losses for the preservation of the carrier aircraft, which can now drop cargo with “spot” delivery and without entering the air defense coverage area.
        2. YOUR.
          YOUR. 17 January 2022 21: 21
          +1
          Hearing this from an almost namesake...
      2. novel66
        novel66 16 January 2022 11: 27
        +3
        something already organized tank raids, to destroy the Yu-52 at airfields
      3. Tomcat_Tomcat
        Tomcat_Tomcat 16 January 2022 11: 43
        0
        Quote: dauria
        And with the application, too, it does not fit in the head

        The main feature is a multiple increase in the accuracy of dropping cargo, the use of this transport UAV glider makes it possible to practically eliminate the ingress of cargo for other purposes. The second is also greater secrecy than when dropped using parachute systems.
        Helicopters, of course, are a good thing, only they need a landing site (which is not always possible, and the helicopter will not reach high into the mountains at all - the static ceiling of most machines is quite small, for the same "Black Hawk" - no more than 2 km), and there is also a risk of losing the car and crew. Here it is also proposed to drop a pack of such planning containers (they will not be used one at a time) from a transporter. The idea is actually sound.
        1. Anzhey V.
          16 January 2022 13: 50
          +4
          The main feature is a multiple increase in the accuracy of dropping cargo, the use of this transport UAV glider makes it possible to practically eliminate the ingress of cargo for other purposes


          Very good comment, thank you)
        2. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 16 January 2022 15: 12
          -6
          The Royal Air Force desperately broke through to the landing zones under Nazi anti-aircraft fire to deliver supplies for the paratroopers, but everything was in vain - due to the lack of communication and current coordinates, most of the cargo fell into the hands of German soldiers.
          Of course, this excellent backlog for supplying mobile groups, who conduct operations in the zone of action of enemy air defense,
          BRDDDDDD fabulous. In the air defense coverage area, the aircraft can still complete the task, here is a SSBN or a glider .... fool
  2. Eugen alpine
    Eugen alpine 16 January 2022 05: 19
    +3
    It will look great on radar. Like any other two-meter plywood box. And the plywood does not shield the load.
    1. dimy44
      dimy44 16 January 2022 06: 23
      -3
      Quote: Eugen Alpine
      It will look great on radar.

      Radar "catches" the reflected radio waves. Radio waves pass through the tree without hindrance, practically without reflection, plywood is not a current conductor. And the cargo can be chosen taking into account this component. You, probably, confuse with x-rays at airports? So there is not the same principle, they shine through ...
      1. dauria
        dauria 16 January 2022 06: 50
        +8
        plywood is not a conductor of electricity.

        Yeah. sand does not conduct in the desert either .. However, both radio altimeters, and DISS, and locators for reviewing the earth's surface work. And since ancient times, the Groza weather radar has been on Soviet aircraft and distinguishes between clouds. You should at least look at the EPR of typical birds. Well, there are geese, crows, sparrows. wink
        Well, and finally, excellent directional rod antennas are made from dielectrics in location ranges. You can from plywood ... but usually they take fluoroplast. wink
        1. Tomcat_Tomcat
          Tomcat_Tomcat 16 January 2022 21: 59
          +1
          Quote: dauria
          However, both radio altimeters, and DISS, and radars for reviewing the earth's surface work.

          and yet on the reflected beam. This is how radar works.
          Let's be objective, and judge not only theoretically, but also adjusted for reality. And we will not talk about American containers, but about impersonal ones, well, or with the label "Made in Russia", if you like. the essence of this will not change.
          These flying containers are rather small targets, besides, they are essentially stealth. The point is not even in the radar, but in the fact that such a glider dropped at night is almost impossible to track visually. Even the radar, which may not be. And this should be a radar of a serious system, which is not put on the cutting edge.
          During the Second World War and WWII, hundreds of thousands of tons of cargo were dropped in this way, and the enemy either could not do anything (remember the raid of Major General Vasily Badanov - Junkers and Heinkili flew into the cauldron to Paulus, although the harm as Soviet anti-aircraft guns and fighters had to cover the corridor - in fact, it was covered only by the tracks of the "thirty-fours"), or was not in the know at all.
          The system is actually simple - a standard container to which the nose cone, wing and the simplest control system are "stuck". I want to hope that our troops will receive something similar in the near future.
          1. dauria
            dauria 16 January 2022 23: 13
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            Let's be objective, and judge not only theoretically, but also adjusted for reality.

            Let's. Do you have any idea what a primitive operation to clean up an area with a pair of motorized rifle battalions is? Supported by just a squadron of helicopters, against a primitive enemy without artillery and lasting only a week? They will try this exotic with containers, put it on a shelf and not remember it. Unless in some unique episode with zero military significance.
            And inside you!!! front-line depth, stuffed with troops and reserves, a gang is operating (you can’t name another horde with riflemen without equipment and heavy weapons). And hefty transport geese fly over the trenches of the front line without fear of anything. Yes, they are 50 km to the front line of hell with two poke their nose until they break through the corridor with the means of the entire front.
            Look, for the English special forces, let the veils be thrown off and money for a taxi - that's it. laughing
      2. Eugen alpine
        Eugen alpine 16 January 2022 07: 08
        +12
        I don't confuse anything. Civilian primary radar identifies a medium-sized bird. Military impulse radar sds will determine how many parasites are on it. And we are talking about a two-meter plywood box with eight-meter wings and aluminum struts. And if it is with a load (which, as it were, is implied), then also about the iron box inside. For example, with ammunition / explosives, since it is these things that are of value for the same DRG. diaper boxes are harder to spot, of course, but their value is greatly exaggerated.
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      4. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 16 January 2022 10: 39
        +3
        And the cargo can be chosen taking into account this component.
        wooden cartridges, papier-mâché grenades, cardboard tube mortars and bread crumb ammunition .... what then no radar will definitely detect it.
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 17 January 2022 21: 38
          -1
          Quote: Region-25.rus
          And the cargo can be chosen taking into account this component.
          wooden cartridges, papier-mâché grenades, cardboard tube mortars and bread crumb ammunition .... what then no radar will definitely detect it.

          Now think about how many radars you have in the DRG coverage area?
          Is there always an S-400 division there?
          And always "shines"?
          What would be instantly destroyed by a hundred PRLR?

          And if such fiction fits in your imagination, then let's continue, about the detection range of such a planning plywood glider?
          Actual with target acquisition?
          And the cost of equipment in it and the cost of a missile that can be sacrificed for the sake of destruction ...
          Missiles cheaper than $ 5 million in modern medium and long-range air defense are already a rarity ...
          1. Region-25.rus
            Region-25.rus 18 January 2022 08: 29
            -2
            my fantasies (or rather irony) were about
            And the cargo can be chosen taking into account this component.
            those. it meant the choice of cargo, taking into account invisibility on radars and not
            Now think about how many radars you have in the DRG coverage area?
            Is there always an S-400 division there?
            And always "shines"?
            What would be instantly destroyed by a hundred PRLR?

            before being smart, read the entire comment thread and, most importantly, delve into what is written.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 18 January 2022 13: 37
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              Quote: Region-25.rus

              before being smart, read the entire comment thread and, most importantly, delve into what is written.


              There are some absurdities.
              Caused by spherical vacuum horses.
              Nobody sees the system as a whole.
          2. Anzhey V.
            18 January 2022 11: 21
            +1
            Is there always an S-400 division there?


            Here you very accurately noticed, comrade. For some reason, the majority naively believe that absolutely the entire front line will always and under any conditions be covered by electronic warfare and layered air defense systems, although, as practice shows, this is more an exception than a statistic, especially in the case of intense combat operations, when any complexes Air defenses are the highest priority targets.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 18 January 2022 21: 57
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              For some reason, the majority naively believe that absolutely the entire front line will always and under any conditions be covered by electronic warfare systems and layered air defense
              there are few who so "naively" believes. Just in case. It was about the stealth of containers in radar ranges and not saturation in "stop hundred electronic warfare and s-400". Although anyone in their right mind (except perhaps in yours and the one whose quote was quoted "will think so. From really ... where do such afftors come from? Although it's understandable! Now even tribute to Milokhin is in trends.
              Although understandable. VO apparently, like tik-tok, publishes everyone who at least someone writes. "This world is 3,14"
      5. YOUR
        YOUR 16 January 2022 10: 44
        +2
        And besides, it decreases at a very low speed, it will be cut off by the SDC system - the selection of moving targets.
        1. Eugen alpine
          Eugen alpine 16 January 2022 11: 16
          +2
          Here they just indicated in the comments the remarkable stalling speed of the pepelats: 115 km / h - with a load of 453 kg, 170 km / h from 900, and a permissible glide path angle of 8.4. My mother forbade me to drive at such a very low speed. So the SDC will not cut off, rather exactly the opposite. Not every jay, you know ...
  3. riwas
    riwas 16 January 2022 07: 35
    +2
    this is an excellent backlog for supplying mobile groups that conduct operations in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbenemy air defense

    Not only supplies. Flying packs and gliders for the delivery of personnel are now fashionable. But a single-seat reusable UAV for the delivery of a parachutist, made using stealth technology, looks more rational.
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 16 January 2022 09: 05
    +1
    It is a pity that Grokhovsky Pavel is not now in the Russian Federation! Here he was in the 30s with his developments went in this direction! Cargo drop cassettes, "airbuses" ... and other developments!
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 January 2022 10: 26
    +4
    No one paid attention - the glider has a stall speed with a full load - 170 km / h !!! How does he sit down? And where? It is clear that on the belly, but what size landing area does he need?
    Well, MZA will certainly bring him down, with guidance through the optical channel.
    Better than nothing, of course, but guided parachutes (with homing to a beacon or coordinates) IMHO are more convenient. He does not need a landing pad, descends along a steep trajectory, and can fly, with a high-altitude drop, far enough.
    1. Anzhey V.
      16 January 2022 13: 49
      +1
      what size landing pad does he need?




      Here is a video of landing. Apparently, the drone does not need any large area - a small clearing is enough.

      Better than nothing, of course, but controlled parachutes (with homing to a beacon or coordinates) IMHO, more convenient


      Parachute systems, I note, also cannot be planted on a 2x2 platform. In general, this moment is mentioned in the article - they are more expensive, the range is not the same, the price is a couple of times higher.

      MZA will certainly bring him down, with guidance through the optical channel


      No one will conduct air logistics operations during the day. US SOF squadrons have a long established tradition of operating exclusively at night using electronic warfare. Optics will be useless at night.
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 16 January 2022 14: 43
        +1
        Quote: Anjay V.
        Here is a video of landing. Apparently, the drone does not need any large area - a small clearing is enough

        Just the size of the clearing is not obvious. Plus the approach angle eliminates high edge obstacles. And if the terrain is hilly or building? In Israel, a helicopter-type drone was developed. The carrying capacity is smaller, but it can move quickly at low level. Yes, and the wounded can evacuate!
        1. Anzhey V.
          16 January 2022 14: 59
          0
          Plus approach angle eliminates high edge obstacles


          The landing approach angle can be any - even stick it with your nose into the ground, if the situation requires it)

          Israel developed a helicopter-type drone. The carrying capacity is smaller, but it can move quickly at low level. Yes, and the wounded can evacuate!


          Like it or not, these are completely different tactical niches. Both are useful and necessary, but they do not compete with each other.
          1. Mountain shooter
            Mountain shooter 16 January 2022 15: 56
            +2
            Quote: Anjay V.
            even stick it with your nose into the ground,

            At speeds over 100 km/h? And then dig through the pile of what's left of the download? Taking away the survivors? I think something is wrong here... laughing
            1. ycuce234-san
              ycuce234-san 16 January 2022 18: 57
              0
              She may be higher. The container can have a brake parachute and on the platform - a cable of a portable brake system.
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 16 January 2022 21: 51
                +3
                Quote: ycuce234-san
                She may be higher. The container can have a brake parachute and on the site - a portable brake cable

                Brake chute, tether? Is this a collapsible aircraft carrier to mount on the landing site? laughing ordinary glider, without a pilot. Moreover, a glider with so-so with aerodynamic quality (8.4) ...
                At the level of an idea, maybe it will, but it’s not easy to land a plywood chest with a load of 700 kg (1500 pounds!) On a limited area. Oh, and the weather...
                1. ycuce234-san
                  ycuce234-san 16 January 2022 22: 02
                  +1
                  The cable, pulleys, wedges and mechanical brake weigh a little, they can be loaded onto commandos. And the container has a hook at the bottom. Gun recoilers perfectly dampen recoil, and here it will also be on a limited area - therefore, the guess about "avik on the contrary" is correct.
                  According to the weather, on the contrary, the container has more opportunities - it is disposable and there is no person on board, and therefore it is possible to plant it even in a fierce storm and zero visibility; a disaster is purely some material losses. The autopilot is a cold-blooded thing cleaner than a samurai and will not jitter in such a situation.
                  For containers of other types, autorotation is possible - the propellers of the first aircraft were made of wood and completely held high loads.
    2. Tomcat_Tomcat
      Tomcat_Tomcat 16 January 2022 22: 07
      +1
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      What size landing pad does he need?

      You will not believe, but very small. You can even stick the container almost into the ground, roughening the descent path. Crumpled cans of stew - also stew. You know, the parachute system also does not gently lower the load to the ground - and nothing, they do not buzz. I understand that denial speaks in you - they say they have it, we don’t have it, which means it’s bad. In fact, the system is sound, and one must hope that our Armed Forces will invent something similar for themselves. The enemy should also learn good things.
  6. OgnennyiKotik
    OgnennyiKotik 16 January 2022 11: 00
    0
    Video of this UAV:


    The Turks have created a Kargo 150 UAV for transport purposes. Naturally, instead of cargo, there may be weapons. The United States also ordered the development of a helicopter UAV with interchangeable modules.
    1. Anzhey V.
      16 January 2022 13: 26
      +4
      Thank you for the video. I also wanted to include them in the article, but, unfortunately, I forgot)
  7. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 16 January 2022 12: 14
    +2
    Thanks for the good article!
    However, I couldn't help but notice
    The GD-2000 itself, due to its design and materials used, is practically invisible to radars.

    How do rectangular sides, two rows of protruding wings and plywood with aluminum protect against radars?) This object should have an EPR comparable to a "corncob".

    I must say that I have a certain skepticism about this idea. In connection with the development of modern UAV systems - significant efforts will be directed to saturating medium-near-range air defense, their methods of working with inconspicuous objects (at least creating field "networks" from such installations) - and such containers will inevitably fall under distribution. The direct supply of the advancing troops, at least, will not be so smooth.

    The system itself, of course, is attractive in the case of capturing a certain area of ​​the bridgehead, excluding the use of transport aircraft, but having, for example, a straight asphalt roadway of some length. In this case (and if there are no enemy air defenses on the side of sending the cargo), the system can be very effective.
    1. Anzhey V.
      16 January 2022 13: 38
      +4
      How do rectangular sides, two rows of protruding wings and plywood with aluminum protect against radars?) This object should have an EPR comparable to "corn"


      The design was "seen" by radars, including at military training grounds in the United States, and the developer and the customer were satisfied with the results. Unfortunately, no details are known.

      The direct supply of the advancing troops, at least, will not be so smooth.


      You argue correctly, however, in the context of combined arms combat. The point of using large mobile commando formations as a "shock fist", especially in difficult terrain, lies precisely in the fact that they act not directly on the front line, but on the "depth", including clearing enemy weapons, including air defense.

      It’s a pity, of course, that no one made out the actions of the same Turks in Syria and Libya - we all clung to the Bayraktars, and lost sight of the whole essence of Turkish tactics ...

      And she, meanwhile, clearly demonstrated the Western approach.
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 16 January 2022 14: 07
        +1
        The design was "seen" by radars

        That's interesting, empty? If it is filled, then everything will look different ..

        So far, I see the greater effectiveness of such Turkish tactics as the less saturated front of action in front of them. All this coolly "crushes" the proxy in low-rise urban areas or on flat terrain, it works relatively normally in open, hilly areas - in the mountains, forests, suburbs of large settlements, against a technically more or less serious enemy - this is most likely will work much worse.
        The problem with spetsnaz is that although these guys are "piece goods", they do not break down much worse than everyone else. Mines, traps, sanitary losses, loss of combat qualities - all this applies to this type of troops. As long as they face an opponent numerically approximately comparable to themselves for limited periods of time, everything is wonderful. In the "big war" everything can be like with Crete for the Germans.
        So far, I am not convinced that these new methods of warfare are not widely publicized variations of counterguerrilla tactics.
        1. Anzhey V.
          16 January 2022 14: 27
          +1
          All this coolly "crumbles" the proxy in the conditions of low-rise urban development


          The Syrian Arab army, with all desire, is difficult to call a "proxy")

          Be that as it may, these are people with combat experience, Russian military training and a large amount of Russian equipment.

          similar to Turkish tactics


          This is far from a Turkish tactic, but the Turks mastered it and correctly applied it.

          While I am not convinced that these new methods of warfare are not widely publicized variations of counterguerrilla tactics.


          Your doubts are justified and logical, but it should be remembered that the rest of the army is also active, and its firepower and numbers do not go anywhere. For example, it holds down the front while commando formations are actively operating in the enemy frontline zone.

          However, it is possible that I also explain this concept to you in a not entirely clear way, for which I apologize in advance)
    2. Tomcat_Tomcat
      Tomcat_Tomcat 16 January 2022 22: 13
      +3
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      This object must have an EPR comparable to the "corn"

      the "corn" has a motor, and also the dimensions are much larger. It's just a box here. yes, it is not invisible, but very, very real (not theoretically) hardly noticeable. Besides. the main purpose of this shit is to increase the accuracy of cargo delivery, you forget about the main thing.
      stealth is secondary, and they are achieved only by indirect conditions - the material of the container and its relatively small size. Accuracy and low cost were put at the forefront of this system.
      And how are the same DRGs or airborne units now supplied? they also throw cargo, either with a parachute system, or a pilot chute from a low-altitude flight, or even from a turntable. So what is better - to send an unmanned container or to attract highly qualified crews, with the risk of losing both them and the "bird"?
      1. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 17 January 2022 00: 34
        -1
        Yes, I understand this, I was just amused by the statement about "stealth" with the characteristics of the design) Well, you know, such a lure - how to write "non-GMO" on the packaging of edible salt! and "does not contain vegetable fats") Like such a delivery man, without embellishment, but they are like "hooho, but he's "stealth" with us." Horse-fire))
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 January 2022 14: 59
    -3
    Drones in a global war: "flying containers" for commandos
    belay How brilliant is Western military thought! I know a flying chest of drawers, but this one is like a flying chest? No, I have not heard ... (according to Chapaev) repeat
  9. motorized rifle
    motorized rifle 16 January 2022 16: 22
    +7
    • Dimensions of the shipping container - 2,43 meters in length, wingspan - 8,5 meters, volume - 0,75 cubic meters. mm;
    • maximum flight weight - 907 kg;
    • payload - 740 kg;
    • glide slope ratio – 8,4:1;
    • stall speed: 115 km/h - with a load of 453 kg, 170 km/h - with a load of 907 kg;
    • drop height – 460–7600 m;
    • flight range - up to 64 km;


    The level of material elaboration at VO has dropped catastrophically.
    Here, for example, in this article: it is perfectly clear that the TANDEM aerodynamic scheme is used, which has front and rear wings, each of them, respectively, consists of two half-wings (console), which, respectively, are almost equal to the length of the container (2,43m). Then the unfolded wing will have a maximum span of 2.43x2=4.86m i.e. not EIGHT AND A HALF METERS!!!
    Considering that the chord length (width) of the wing is constant along the span, and visually it is no more than 0,5 m, then we can confidently assume that the value of 8,5 m given in the performance characteristics as a wing span, in fact, is its (wing) area.
    Further, "glide slope ratio - 8,4: 1" is what? There is a concept in aerodynamics "Quality" (denoted by the letter K), which denotes the ratio of drag force to lift force, in the case of planning, it determines how much horizontal distance you can fly, while losing 1 m of height. We check: the drop height is 7600m, we multiply it by K (8,4), we get a range of 63m or rounded "• flight range - up to 840 km".
    1. Bormanxnumx
      Bormanxnumx 16 January 2022 18: 17
      +1
      Quote: motorized infantryman
      Then the unfolded wing will have a maximum span of 2.43x2=4.86m i.e. not EIGHT AND A HALF METERS!!!

      The author "reported" a little) - the length of one half-wing is 8ft
    2. Anzhey V.
      16 January 2022 19: 57
      +1
      those. not EIGHT AND A HALF METERS!


      You are right, and this is my, as the author, flaw. Unfortunately, I made a typo when writing down the characteristics of the device. Thank you for correcting)
  10. Maluck
    Maluck 17 January 2022 08: 10
    0
    Judging by the photo, the aerodynamics of this pipelac is like a brick. On the video, the tests were carried out in sunny and most likely in calm weather, but how will this "chest" behave in gusts of wind?
    If the glide path is 8,5 / 1, then it will not fly far from the drop point, it’s another matter if you have your own engine, but it can reduce radar visibility and give out a touchdown point and, accordingly, a group. In addition, I think they will place not only plastic, but mostly metal inside the container. There are more questions than answers, but the direction, IMHO, makes sense for development...
  11. Rusfaner
    Rusfaner 17 January 2022 18: 24
    0
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Yes, I understand this, I was just amused by the statement about "stealth" with the characteristics of the design) Well, you know, such a lure - how to write "non-GMO" on the packaging of edible salt! and "does not contain vegetable fats") Like such a delivery man, without embellishment, but they are like "hooho, but he's "stealth" with us." Horse-fire))


    You may not believe it, but, 15 years ago, while in the States, I noticed the inscription on a pack of salt: "No fat" (does not contain fat).
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 17 January 2022 22: 09
      +3
      Quote: Rusfaner

      You may not believe it, but, 15 years ago, while in the States, I noticed the inscription on a pack of salt: "No fat" (does not contain fat).

      And when we wrote "without cholesterol" on 75% of packages of sunflower oil...
      It's just right to howl like Zadornov about "stupid ..."
      But for some reason, the inscriptions were in Russian in Russian stores, on Russian goods ..
  12. bovi
    bovi 18 January 2022 01: 03
    0
    last summer, if memory serves, there were exercises in the Russian Federation with mass testing of various new light equipment for landing, such as buggies such and such .... among these vids there was a demonstration of the delivery of a pallet of UAV cargo by a parachute-wing. Also with auto-landing or wingman function. Anyone interested can compare and be inspired.
  13. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 18 January 2022 02: 20
    0
    Terrorists, militants, rebels infiltrate under the guise of tourists, along smuggling routes, the return of "civilians" from hot spots to the territory of a country where there are a lot of hydrocarbons but little democracy.
    Some of the weapons and ammunition are already there, brought in in advance, but there is nothing high-tech.
    In the X hour, they are dropped the missing equipment, weapons, ammunition (MANPADS, ATGMs, communication systems).

    During combat operations, the flight of a transport aircraft near the border of the state is fraught with a downing.
    If you act in the paradigm of the formal absence of external aggression. Can be used to support "internal" combatants.

    Such scenarios are quite likely, pepelats will be in demand.

    For example USA in Latin America.
    It seems quite recently that Colombians were thrown into Venezuela.
  14. eehnie
    eehnie 18 January 2022 14: 18
    0
    Conceptually, this is a smart and modern solution that will be used by Russia in the future. It can be actively used by the Russian Airborne Forces, the Russian Navy to supply ships from the air and, in general, to supply forward positions.

    The use of unmanned technology in general will help to eliminate the use of structurally insufficiently protected ground and air-based auxiliary platforms in the forward and in disputed positions. This will be one of the most important and useful tasks of unmanned technology.

    (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

    Conceptually this solution is smart and modern, and will be used also by Russia in the future. It can be strongly used by the Russian Airborne Troops, by the Russian Navy, for the aerial supply of ships, and in overall terms, for the supply of frontline positions.

    The use of unmanned technologies in overall terms will help to eliminate the use of structurally under protected land-based and air-based auxiliary platforms, in the frontline and in contested positions. This will be one of the nain and most useful tasks of the unmanned technologies.

    .
  15. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 19 January 2022 00: 38
    0
    Quote: demiurg
    The cost of delivery is cheap, the accuracy of delivery is the highest, and the safety of the pilots is on top. If there is air supremacy, then it is.

    Correct conclusions.
    A symbiosis of a kopeshny glider with an accurate autopilot / guidance system.

    It’s a pity that our Ministry of Defense got carried away by issuing toys purchased from Aliexpress for those that have no analogues in the world.
    At least they would instruct the oligarchs, for the blood sucked from the people, to put a couple of thousand of such flying "cows" into the Army