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The West is commenting on the words of the Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation about the possible military parry of the threat posed by NATO

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Photos of the exercises of the RF Armed Forces



The West is reacting to the statements made by the Deputy Foreign Minister of Russia Alexander Grushko after the meeting of the Russia-NATO Council. This meeting took place the day before and lasted 4 hours. Representatives of the North Atlantic military bloc refused to provide Russia with legally binding guarantees on the further non-expansion of the alliance and on the withdrawal of foreign troops (bases) from those NATO countries that became part of the bloc after 1997.

Alexander Grushko said that if the situation cannot be resolved through political and diplomatic means, then Russia will move on to considering a set of military-technical measures. During the press conference, the Russian diplomat noted that this is about legal measures that the Russian Federation is capable of applying due to the fact that NATO already considers Russian territory as a target for strike weapons.

Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation:

We cannot agree with this, therefore we will take all appropriate measures to counter the threat by military means.

In the West, commenting on the statement of the Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Russia, they expressed criticism and stated that Moscow "uses the rhetoric of threats and intimidation." In Poland, the Baltic countries and some other states, it was proposed to "respond to Russia with a new sanctions package." In the United States, they proposed imposing personal sanctions against Russian President Vladimir Putin, as well as against a number of federal government ministers.



As you can see, the situation is far from de-escalating. Russia's negotiations with the United States and NATO did not dot all the i's. NATO continues to claim that its alliance is "purely defensive". In Russia, they ask the question: if the alliance is defensive, then from whom did it "defend" in Yugoslavia, Libya?

Recall that so far the only agreement between Moscow and NATO has been the one regarding the resumption of work of the Russian representation at the alliance's headquarters in Brussels and the NATO representation in the Russian capital.
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  1. vervolk
    vervolk 13 January 2022 06: 18
    +27
    Which is to be expected. Russian bear crawls out of the den. Slowly but methodically, arguments are put on the table! Everything is so with Russia, at this very moment there are all the decisive factors: a technical advantage in armaments, successful and real combat experience, a combat-ready professional army and proxy forces, a relatively consolidated society ready for confrontation, the will and determination of the political leadership. It would be wrong to miss the moment of advantage and not use it to improve your position in the international arena. Not everything is to sit and wait for the West to attack the unions again, when it is convenient for him and he is ready. At least once every three hundred years, you can work ahead of the curve!
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 13 January 2022 06: 29
      +27
      Quote: vervolk
      the bear crawls out of the den

      And what will he do next? The question is not rhetorical ... hi
      1. Kuroneko
        Kuroneko 13 January 2022 07: 00
        +41
        The first step is to scratch on a nearby pine tree. And claw at her.
        1. Ilya-spb
          Ilya-spb 13 January 2022 07: 48
          -6
          A bear can heap a bunch. Great.

          Let them rejoice in Europe)))
          1. Kuroneko
            Kuroneko 13 January 2022 07: 52
            +1
            The steel heap has already been heaped. And then let Europe itself figure out what to do with this rubbish. Gazprom one fig has actually beaten off the cost of this scrap metal in one year.
            1. Glory1974
              Glory1974 13 January 2022 08: 29
              +23
              Gazprom alone fig has actually recaptured the cost of this scrap in one year.

              Gazprom itself claims that it supplies gas under long-term contracts, there have been no additional applications for pumping, and it does not trade on the stock exchange. How are the costs recouped?
              1. Kuroneko
                Kuroneko 13 January 2022 09: 04
                0
                Quote: glory1974
                Gazprom itself claims that it supplies gas under long-term contracts, no additional applications for pumping have been received

                Received. Already since the summer, even a long-term (again, a relative long-term, many bought for a maximum of six months) was recalculated in accordance with the spot prices of the exchange. Yes, there were still not 2kilobax for 1kilokub, but still - from six hundred and more.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 13 January 2022 12: 44
                  -5
                  Grushko's words mean one thing: military answer. Where? Most likely in Ukraine. Well, and bases, deployment of missiles in Latin America. smile
                  1. Shkodnik65
                    Shkodnik65 13 January 2022 14: 18
                    +25
                    Vladimir Mashkov Stop distorting the Russian language! not in Ukraine, but in Ukraine.
                    1. Vladimir Mashkov
                      Vladimir Mashkov 13 January 2022 15: 27
                      .
                      Quote: Shkodnik65
                      Vladimir Mashkov Stop distorting the Russian language! not in Ukraine, but in Ukraine.

                      I usually don't answer stupid questions and demands. But I will answer you. The day is sunny today and there is a mood. You (probably due to the lack of sufficient education) do not know or do not understand that the Russian language is developing and improving. Therefore, earlier it was correct "in Ukraine" (as well as in Chukotka, Kolyma, Kamchatka, Kuban), and after 1991 and the formation of the state of Ukraine (whether we like it or not) it became correct - In Ukraine. As in Russia, Sweden, Denmark. When Ukraine returns to Russia, “in Ukraine” will be correct again! smile

                      And although "in Ukraine" is the same as "in Ukraine" (either on the forehead or on the forehead), for people like you are not very literate "superpatriots" who are only looking for something and who to find fault with NOT thinking about meaning written, I usually write "in / in the Ukraine". And then I missed something ... Call! lol

                      Good day to you! hi
                      1. Reserve buildbat
                        Reserve buildbat 13 January 2022 16: 19
                        +20
                        Did you change the rules of the Russian language by your will? These skakuasses on their surzhik since 2014 demanded to say "in Ukraine", and in Russian the rules have not changed. As it was in Ukraine, it remains.
                      2. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 13 January 2022 21: 48
                        .
                        Quote: stock buildbat
                        Did you change the rules of the Russian language by your will? These skakuasses on their surzhik since 2014 demanded to say "in Ukraine", and in Russian the rules have not changed. As it was in Ukraine, it remains.

                        This is not a decision of the skakuas, but the rules literate Russian language. And the illiterate and stubborn - at least a stake! laughing
                      3. alystan
                        alystan 14 January 2022 03: 01
                        +3
                        What do skakuas have to do with the Russian language? That's right, custom. And the point.
                        Let their surzhik improve, even to the point of insanity.
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                      5. bar
                        bar 14 January 2022 07: 45
                        -1
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        after 1991 and the formation of the state of Ukraine (whether we like it or not) it became right - In Ukraine.

                        Has a state already been formed on this outskirts? The present?? Suddenly... laughing
                      6. Shkodnik65
                        Shkodnik65 14 January 2022 10: 19
                        0
                        And, well, now it is clear, so they would immediately say that you are with a saucepan on your head. Everything, as they say, I have no more questions for YOU. It is useless for you to ask them, the pan bothers you.
                      7. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 14 January 2022 20: 31
                        0
                        Quote: Shkodnik65
                        And, well, now it is clear, so they would immediately say that you are with a saucepan on your head. Everything, as they say, I have no more questions for YOU. It is useless for you to ask them, the pan bothers you.

                        And what prevents you from thinking and does not prevent you from sticking labels? Lack of intelligence? lol
                      8. SOF
                        SOF 14 January 2022 12: 23
                        -2
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Therefore, previously it was correct "in Ukraine" (as well as in Chukotka, Kolyma, Kamchatka, Kuban), and after 1991 and the formation of the state of Ukraine (whether we like it or not), it became correct - In Ukraine. As well as in Russia, in Sweden, in Denmark.

                        ..... ochchchchen interesting ...... but you can in more detail ..... in terms of that .... why then: "to Cuba" and "to Haiti" ....? repeat
                      9. Dalmatia
                        Dalmatia 14 January 2022 18: 23
                        0
                        Quote: SOF
                        Quote: Vladimir Mashkov
                        Therefore, previously it was correct "in Ukraine" (as well as in Chukotka, Kolyma, Kamchatka, Kuban), and after 1991 and the formation of the state of Ukraine (whether we like it or not), it became correct - In Ukraine. As well as in Russia, in Sweden, in Denmark.

                        ..... ochchchchen interesting ...... but you can in more detail ..... in terms of that .... why then: "to Cuba" and "to Haiti" ....? repeat

                        Because they are islands
                      10. dnestr74
                        dnestr74 14 January 2022 20: 34
                        +2
                        And not the state? And earlier in the SSR they spoke Moldova? To Belarus?))) Victim of the Unified State Examination?
                      11. Dalmatia
                        Dalmatia 15 January 2022 18: 05
                        -1
                        A victim of the exam? [/ Quote]

                        Alex, please don't be smart.
                        You have been answered, there will be no continuation.
                      12. SOF
                        SOF 17 January 2022 10: 02
                        0
                        Quote: Dalmatia
                        Because they are islands

                        ...... wowuuu .... it became even more interesting ....... and a long time ago, on our planet, there was ..... such an earthquake that ..... to the UK ... ., to Japan ...., to Iceland ...... ceased to be islands .....?
                        .... AS ???..... belay belay belay
                        ..... or for these countries you need to apply "on ...... repeat to the UK .... to Japan .... to Iceland .... wink
                  2. Ivan1779
                    Ivan1779 13 January 2022 20: 26
                    -1
                    Doesn't it seem strange to you that claims are made against America and NATO, but they threaten to attack Ukraine?
                  3. Eroma
                    Eroma 14 January 2022 07: 44
                    +4
                    Bases in Latin America, in Serbia and anywhere in the West will not bother anyone! We will not take nuclear weapons abroad! Therefore, this is not a response to the refusal of guarantees of our security and, in fact, not a guarantee of security for ourselves. And we will not touch Ukraine either, because this will not help much for our security either.
                    In fact, if we roll out the Death Star from the far side of the Moon, which hangs like a doomed sword over the western hemisphere, this will be a military-technical answer that will make everyone shudder! Everything else is military-technical fuss, to which no one will pay any attention, because we don’t have enough strength for a real arms race, which Putin has said more than once.
                    Our answer, obviously, lies in the political plane, now we are waiting for the joker from Putin's sleeve, Ash is curious, what kind of answer is this
                2. Apollo
                  Apollo 13 January 2022 19: 25
                  +2
                  Don't be creative. Gas storage facilities of Gazprom have been idle since summer and to this day, practically empty, pumping is not in progress. The pipe through Poland is also dry. All the goodies from high prices go by.
            2. Tiksi-3
              Tiksi-3 13 January 2022 09: 00
              +18
              Quote: Kuroneko
              Gazprom one fig has actually recouped the cost of this scrap metal in one year

              Gazprom has never stated this, Gazprom trades under long-term contracts where the price is registered, so there is no question of breaking the pipe
              1. Reserve colonel
                Reserve colonel 13 January 2022 13: 55
                +11
                Sorry, but you're wrong. Thanks to the Poles, the final gas price, under long-term contracts, depends only on the price of oil futures but also on the spot gas price, but with a slight lag to the left. So, the actual price for long-term contracts is valid in the last months of 2021, and most likely the whole of 2022 will fluctuate from 450 to 700 American tugriks. Something like this....
                1. Tiksi-3
                  Tiksi-3 14 January 2022 09: 05
                  +2
                  Quote: Reserve Colonel
                  2022 will range from 450 to 700 US

                  350-450 bucks, carefully read Gazprom's reports
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            1. trill
              trill 14 January 2022 01: 57
              0
              And how did these offhand 44 million people annoy you? Called a chump, right? So it's nothing, even honorable, to receive such a thing from NATO members.
        2. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 13 January 2022 10: 27
          +5
          Quote: Kuroneko
          And tear your claws about her.

          And this is the mark of your territory!
      2. dauria
        dauria 13 January 2022 07: 07
        .
        And what will he do next? The question is not rhetorical ...

        Lord .. What kind of bear? It is not clear why a herd of rams decided that they would be slaughtered.
        And they only decided to cut their hair and let them graze again.
        What will they do? Yes, the same as in 2014 after loud "Let them only dare", columns of technology along the border and bulging eyes. They will simply explain that they won NATA, she lost her nerves and NATA crawled into her hole. Oh, yes ... they will let the fog go that they say there were secret body movements on both sides about almost standing on the edge of a vigorous war. But the public doesn't need to know about it.
        And most importantly, there was no great drape of families of middle management personnel. So all this is a fairy tale. That's when it will be, then worry. laughing
        1. vervolk
          vervolk 13 January 2022 07: 15
          +5
          those who make decisions (and there are only 7 people) do not care at all about the "middle management personnel", they were all warned, take the assets back (c) Who did not listen, is to blame. And no one would have undertaken such "demonstrative" actions if there had not been a couple of killer trump cards in the storehouse. I'm pretty sure one of them is the actions of Comrade Xi in Taiwan.
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 13 January 2022 07: 35
            .
            Quote: vervolk
            a couple of killer trump cards. I'm pretty sure one of them is Comrade Xi's actions.

            Those. do you think that Russia as an independent entity is equal to zero?
            1. vervolk
              vervolk 13 January 2022 09: 16
              -5
              oh, that is, do you think that the United States as a self-sufficient subject without NATO is equal to zero?
              1. carpenter
                carpenter 13 January 2022 09: 42
                +13
                Quote: vervolk
                oh, that is, do you think that the United States as a self-sufficient subject without NATO is equal to zero?

                Rather, NATO and Europe without the United States are zero.
              2. Lionnvrsk
                Lionnvrsk 13 January 2022 11: 05
                +7
                Quote: vervolk
                oh, that is, do you think that the United States as a self-sufficient subject without NATO is equal to zero?

                NATO always and everywhere proclaims the principle - One for all and all for one. yes
                But it’s not like Dumas, it’s like that in NAT - the USA alone makes decisions and commands for everyone, and then everyone “takes the rap” for them alone and reaps the rewards! smile
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          2. trill
            trill 14 January 2022 02: 01
            -4
            Comrade Xi has already told Comrade Pu where he urgently needs from Kazakhstan, so you shouldn't cling to the mighty of this world.
          3. aglet
            aglet 14 January 2022 09: 43
            0
            "I'm pretty sure one of them is Comrade Xi's actions in Taiwan"
            what do we care about Comrade Xi with his Taiwan? and how will this help us with our dealings with NATO?
        2. Kuroneko
          Kuroneko 13 January 2022 07: 47
          -2
          You are not a case from Kazakhstan, since you are talking about rams?
          And in general, it is not in vain that there is a saying about a herd of rams led by a lion, and a herd of lions led by a ram. I advise you to remember.
          1. Sharky
            Sharky 13 January 2022 10: 05
            -1
            it is not in vain that there is a saying about a herd of rams led by a lion, and a herd of lions led by a ram.

            There is another good saying:
            Rotten apple injures its neighbors. hi
        3. Paladin
          Paladin 13 January 2022 09: 49
          +13
          What happened in 2014? Crimea was taken to Russia. Then one squadron entered Syria and we hid in a corner, releasing smelly bubbles from there. What's next? They sent them all and put them on top of them. Everything else is your personal projection that has nothing to do with reality)))
          And the reality is ... the 2007th word, 2008th determination, 2014-2015 efficiency, 2014th and 2022nd speed of reaction. And this does not concern new weapons and, accordingly, their cost. There is nothing to oppose to our opponents.
        4. Lexxx
          Lexxx 13 January 2022 12: 19
          +1
          What smart cargo you are. Mishiko told you this from the window of his cell)))>
      3. Civil
        Civil 13 January 2022 07: 14
        .
        Quote: Uncle Lee
        Quote: vervolk
        the bear crawls out of the den

        And what will he do next? The question is not rhetorical ... hi

        Well, how is that? Or they will declare victory following the results of negotiations or a "small victorious war." In the end, it is not necessary to deal with the economy with poverty, but great things must be done.
      4. Veiko
        Veiko 13 January 2022 10: 25
        0
        Read the article again, slowly
      5. Alekseev
        Alekseev 13 January 2022 19: 17
        +2
        First of all, the bear must ensure its safety, for which the boron cheese is spread.
        The words of diplomats cannot help here, everyone understands this. Negotiations with the US and NATO in the series "We warned you."
        But military-technical measures can be different and effective. Somehow the arrangement of nuclear minefields on the Polish border, even if they are not really useful, but a trifle is unpleasant. Naval bases in Venezuela, intelligence in Cuba, strategic strike complexes in Kamchatka, etc., etc.
        So that you don't even want to think about aggression, even if it is a hybrid, as in Ukraine, even if it is natural.
        To get it that you need to pursue a policy of detente, and stick your sanctions in ...
        1. Edvid
          Edvid 15 January 2022 09: 36
          0
          First, we need to withdraw (temporarily) from the treaty on a general ban on nuclear weapons tests. Then carry out a field test of the combat complex to check its operability. After all, they haven’t experienced it for half a century, but what if at the moment X it fails?...
      6. wow
        wow 14 January 2022 10: 20
        0
        He will kill, because only the dead do not shoot in the back. In DRA I checked it on my own skin.
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    3. ser-pov
      ser-pov 13 January 2022 06: 35
      +25
      The situation is even worse now than when the Pershing were in Turkey. Therefore, if we do not answer now, they will tear Russia apart into rags.
      1. carpenter
        carpenter 13 January 2022 09: 46
        +9
        Quote: ser-pov
        The situation is even worse now than when the Pershing were in Turkey.

        The situation now is the same as at the beginning of 1941, when they knew that they would attack, but did not know when.
      2. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 13 January 2022 15: 21
        +5
        The danger here is not in missiles ..... They didn’t take the USSR to pieces. Themselves ... themselves ... the elites have rotted and ravaged the country ..
    4. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 13 January 2022 06: 35
      +3
      a relatively consolidated and confrontational society,

      Well this is very far away smile
      1. vervolk
        vervolk 13 January 2022 06: 50
        -2
        80 percent consider the West to be the aggressor, 60 percent are ready to confront, 40 percent are ready to take part on their own - against the background of Western disunity, it will come down
        1. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 13 January 2022 07: 02
          +6
          I would also like to see such statistics on this issue. smile
          Where did you get them from? Whose poll? Your?
        2. Sergey Gusak
          Sergey Gusak 13 January 2022 07: 10
          +6
          Of course, you invented all these percentages yourself, right?
          1. vervolk
            vervolk 13 January 2022 07: 17
            .
            does it feel like you hear about the vote on amendments to the Constitution for the first time? what was it in your opinion? and the decision of the Federation Council on the notorious "zeroing" is in your opinion?
            1. Sergey Gusak
              Sergey Gusak 13 January 2022 07: 33
              +8
              Well, ok, we figured it out with 80% (although I thought that they voted there, including for the fact that civil servants did not have dual citizenship, but in vain), but about 60% of those who are ready to confront and 40% of those who are ready to participate, where is the infa? Did they vote more decisively and was this recorded by the CEC?
              1. vervolk
                vervolk 13 January 2022 09: 19
                -8
                40 percent is the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation plus families from the composition of the population. as for the rest, the "liberal" VCIOM and RBC: https://www.rbc.ru/spb_sz/freenews/5592a3c29a794719538cc0dc and this is the 12th (!) year! you can see the modern one yourself and compare the trend
                1. Sergey Gusak
                  Sergey Gusak 13 January 2022 20: 09
                  +1
                  so it is written that 50% have a negative attitude, or rather, in 12 (!), the "liberal" VTsIOM is a state organization. You yourself are already on duty at the military registration and enlistment office?
          2. carpenter
            carpenter 13 January 2022 09: 51
            +6
            Quote: Sergey Gusak
            Of course, you invented all these percentages yourself, right?

            Percentages, polls are all nonsense, but the majority of Russians know without any interest that the West has been an enemy for Russia from time immemorial? There has not been a single century when the West has not attacked Russia at least a couple of times.
            1. Sergey Gusak
              Sergey Gusak 13 January 2022 20: 15
              0
              All nonsense, only your guesses are the ultimate truth, oh guru.
        3. Civil
          Civil 13 January 2022 07: 15
          .
          Quote: vervolk
          80 percent consider the West to be the aggressor, 60 percent are ready to confront, 40 percent are ready to take part on their own - against the background of Western disunity, it will come down

          Where do the numbers come from? Who is this 40% who will go to the Forbes list to fight?
          1. vervolk
            vervolk 13 January 2022 07: 33
            -8
            God! Do you even represent the composition of the RF Armed Forces? number plus families? why can't you add two and two?
            1. Civil
              Civil 13 January 2022 07: 40
              -6
              Quote: vervolk
              God! Do you even represent the composition of the RF Armed Forces? number plus families? why can't you add two and two?

              They will want by order. This is the army. By the way, what does the RF Armed Forces owe to the Forbes list?
              900 strength of the RF Armed Forces (information for 000 from open sources). We multiply by 2020 (according to the number of family members) total 5, ok, multiply by 4. total 500, total 000, total 2% of the population.
              1. vervolk
                vervolk 13 January 2022 09: 46
                -2
                very interesting, but who will count the National Guard for you? and the police? and the Ministry of Emergency Situations? you have a strange approach ... the security forces are all in one mess. salaries and benefits in the National Guard are even higher than in the army. and you think the Russian Guard will not be involved in establishing order in the "liberated territory"? Do you even know that the Russian Guard even goes to Syria on business trips?
                1. Civil
                  Civil 13 January 2022 09: 55
                  -2
                  Well, tell me how the Ministry of Emergency Situations and the police will go in chains to attack NATO laughing laughing laughing
                  how firefighters with district police officers cannot sleep because of the NATO boot in the Baltics laughing laughing laughing
                  Rosgvardia is the internal troops first of all) their task is just the same) to catch everyone who will evade the war with NATO and send them to the capitalist front.
                  1. vervolk
                    vervolk 13 January 2022 10: 23
                    +5
                    and what should I tell you, do you know what COM is? consolidated police detachment - I suggest in the context of the second Chechen campaign? If you don't know what to talk about then?
                    1. Civil
                      Civil 13 January 2022 10: 34
                      -9
                      Quote: vervolk
                      and what should I tell you, do you know what COM is? consolidated police detachment - I suggest in the context of the second Chechen campaign? If you don't know what to talk about then?

                      And that there were regular NATO troops in Chechnya? laughing laughing
              2. aglet
                aglet 14 January 2022 09: 53
                0
                "We multiply by 5 (by the number of family members) total 4, ok, multiply by 500 more. total 000, total 2, total 9% of the population."
                then we multiply by 150, and, voila, all the same 146%. What do you think, mothers, mothers-in-law, daughters from military families will leave everything, go to fight for Abramovich's yacht and Sechin's millions? .God forbid, if the servicemen themselves go
          2. Edik
            Edik 13 January 2022 13: 13
            +6
            Quote: Civil
            Where do the numbers come from? Who is this 40% who will go to the Forbes list to fight?

            Vadim that you are casting a shadow on the fence with this list of Forbes?
            They will fight for Russia, for their land and their loved ones!
            1. aglet
              aglet 14 January 2022 09: 57
              +1
              "They will fight for Russia, for their land and their loved ones!"
              I am plagued by vague doubts ...
          3. PAUL 7
            PAUL 7 13 January 2022 15: 12
            +1
            Not for the list. And for RDINA!
    5. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 13 January 2022 06: 39
      +26
      Which is to be expected. The Russian bear comes out of the den.

      And what to do then ... if they already climb into his den with impudence and demand to make room for himself in a corner ... NATO is like that smile.
      Behind the veil of verbal husk, it has already reached our borders and already demands that we live in our house according to their rules.
      1. carpenter
        carpenter 13 January 2022 11: 27
        +3
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        And what to do then ... if they already climb into his den with impudence and demand to make room for him in a corner ...

        There are only two ways out - either to defend oneself or to surrender captive, there is no third way.
        1. aglet
          aglet 14 January 2022 09: 59
          0
          "There are only two ways out - either defend yourself or surrender, there is no third way."
          no, well, you can still announce an ultimatum to NATO, with an expiration date of January 14, and on the 15th say that they misunderstood
    6. belovvladimir
      belovvladimir 13 January 2022 08: 29
      +8
      Want Peace Prepare for War!
    7. carpenter
      carpenter 13 January 2022 09: 15
      +1
      Quote: vervolk
      . It's not all about sitting and waiting for the West to attack again when it is convenient for it and when it is ready. At least once in three hundred years, you can work ahead of the curve!

      Something begins to smell on the European part in the month of May 1941.
    8. Zug
      Zug 13 January 2022 10: 12
      +1
      Are you so joking?
      1. carpenter
        carpenter 14 January 2022 11: 44
        +1
        Quote: Zug
        Are you so joking?

        The smell of war is felt, but not visible to the eye.
  2. Iron
    Iron 13 January 2022 06: 30
    +22
    In short, they sent us to shit ... Well, now let's see how it will look
    "We cannot agree with this, therefore we will take all appropriate measures to counter the threat by military means." what
    1. lot
      lot 13 January 2022 07: 17
      -3
      When the Turks shot down the attack aircraft, they abandoned the tomato and the buffet.
      the pilot was given a hero.
      All.
      1. vervolk
        vervolk 13 January 2022 07: 34
        -1
        are you sure? Do you know anything about the changes in FZ 44 and 223 which "UNTIL BEHALF forbid Turkish goods and firms to participate in government procurement in the Russian market? But have you heard about other restrictions either?"
        1. lot
          lot 13 January 2022 08: 19
          +2
          These are dire restrictions. You're right.
          1. Edik
            Edik 13 January 2022 13: 21
            0
            Quote: lot
            These are dire restrictions. You're right.

            What do you think is lying and how much?
            Another unfounded statement about Russia was issued during a briefing by US Secretary of State Michael Pompeo. He accused the Russian military of allegedly being responsible for the murder of dozens of Turkish soldiers in Syria. "We are confident that Russia is (responsible for) killing dozens of Turkish military personnel during its military operations," Pompeo said.

            Politics is a tricky business.
        2. Mishka78
          Mishka78 13 January 2022 09: 12
          +12
          Quote: vervolk
          amendments to 44 and 223 FZ which "UNTIL PERMANENTLY prohibit Turkish goods and firms from participating in public procurement in the Russian market?"

          Hmm ... Amur LNG and Yamal LNG who builds? Who built 2/3 of the Olympic facilities? Who builds 2/3 of federal roads?
          https://news-turk.ru/2021/07/28/turcziya-postroit-ledokol-dlya-rossii-za-176-mln/
          http://ica-construction.ru/ru/zsd
          http://ica-construction.ru/ru/m11
          https://www.enka.com/ru/portfolio-item/zainskaya-850-mw-combined-cycle-power-plant/
          https://www.enka.com/ru/portfolio-item/high-technological-multifunctional-medical-complex/

          I throw dozens and hundreds of such projects ..
      2. lot
        lot 13 January 2022 10: 08
        -3
        [media = https: //www.gazeta.ru/science/2020/04/07_a_13040233.shtml]
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 13 January 2022 12: 30
        -1
        Quote: lot
        When the Turks shot down the attack aircraft, they abandoned the tomato and the buffet.
        the pilot was given a hero.
        All.

        Think primitively. Are you aware that the provocation with the attack aircraft was carried out by the hands of Prime Minister Davutoglu in the interests of mattresses? The purpose of this attack was to involve Russia and Turkey in an armed conflict in order to untie the hands of mattresses to overthrow the power of Assad, reformat Syria and implement a plan to create an independent Kurdistan. Fortunately, reason prevailed and the situation was resolved without a war, which could surely develop into a third world war, since Article 5 of the NATO charter on collective security applies to Turkey as a NATO member, and the bloc would have to be drawn into a war against Russia. Yes, even without the participation of other NATO member countries, a war with a country with 88 million population and not a weak military potential, which saddled the Bosphorus, would not have been an easy walk.
        This alignment has already been analyzed a hundred times, painted and decomposed into atoms, but one figs are smart guys with "tomatoes and a buffet" who can think only with their stomachs.
        1. lot
          lot 13 January 2022 14: 35
          +2
          and why such an opus for me, a primitive thinking stomach?
          World 3, NATO charter with atoms and mattresses ... laughing laughing
          your frail alignment: the intestines are thin that's all.
          On April 8, 1950, Soviet fighters shot down a US bomber over the Baltic
          https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2020/04/07_a_13040233.shtml

          here's about tomatoes and about a buffet with surröming.
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 13 January 2022 17: 22
            0
            Quote: lot
            and why such an opus for me, a primitive thinking stomach?
            World 3, NATO charter with atoms and mattresses ... laughing laughing
            your frail alignment: the intestine is thin that's all.
            On April 8, 1950, Soviet fighters shot down a US bomber over the Baltic
            https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2020/04/07_a_13040233.shtml

            here's about tomatoes and about a buffet with surröming.

            Well, here you go again from the point of view of the gastrointestinal tract.

            The example you have given is an example of relations between the USSR and the United States in direct opposition. And the fact that you have been scattering "tomatoes" for three years now is about how they wanted to fight the mattresses with someone else's hands, pushing their heads against Russia and Turkey.
            Why do you think that it is our national fun to climb into all the mousetraps placed on the mattresses?
    2. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 13 January 2022 08: 35
      -6
      all sent you to Ukraine long ago
  3. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 January 2022 06: 33
    +26
    It does not seem that Russia has started this whole "move" relying only on "bluff".
    As expected, the politicians of Western countries, being confident in their impunity, continue to swagger, making irresponsible and impudent statements.
    Well, we are waiting for the weighty arguments that our diplomats and military have prepared.
    1. taiga2018
      taiga2018 13 January 2022 07: 04
      +16
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      Well, we are waiting for the weighty arguments that our diplomats and military have prepared.

      In fact, Russia has two weighty arguments: 1. Precautionary - refusal of the moratorium on nuclear tests. 2. If after that they do not reach the beginning of preparations for these very tests, say on Novaya Zemlya. 3. If they don’t understand anything after that. - withdrawal from the treaty on the nonproliferation of nuclear weapons. These are the only arguments to which the West will heed, it is not for nothing that they reduce all negotiations to security in the nuclear sphere, if they achieve this very security we will be immediately and finally "sent in the woods."
      1. Antokha
        Antokha 13 January 2022 10: 41
        +2
        In fact, Russia has two weighty arguments: 1. Preventive - refusal of the moratorium on nuclear tests

        If after that they do not understand anything, withdrawal from the treaty on the nonproliferation of nuclear weapons

        These are not valid arguments. Judge for yourself. The West understands that Russia will never attack him. Because we are not them. So, they will say, blow up whatever you want on your territory, who is it scaring? And why test nuclear weapons? Everything was created long ago.
        The nonproliferation argument is, of course, good, but this is not beneficial to us either. What would happen if ISIS received nuclear weapons from some oil monarchy? You have to be careful with this. Ostashko says correctly: they must be hit strictly on the wallet, which replaces their brain, heart and conscience.
        1. taiga2018
          taiga2018 13 January 2022 11: 02
          +1
          Quote: Anton
          So, they will say, blow up whatever you want on your territory, who is afraid of that?

          Do not tell me if they are already afraid of the usual exercises on our territory ...
          Quote: Anton
          but this is not good for us. What would happen if ISIS received nuclear weapons from some oil monarchy?

          I’ll tell you this, because the problem is not just about security guarantees for our country, the question is about the existence of Russia in general, for me personally everything is simple, if Russia ceases to exist, I don’t give a damn who turns out to have nuclear weapons ...
          Quote: Anton
          Ostashko says correctly: they must be beaten strictly on the wallet, which replaces their brain, heart and conscience.

          This, of course, is beautiful and probably right, but let's be honest, attempts to strike at their wallets will hit ours more painfully ...
        2. Sanichsan
          Sanichsan 13 January 2022 12: 20
          -1
          Quote: Anton
          The West understands that Russia will never attack it. Because we are not them.

          a very big mistake. For 30 years now we have not been the USSR, which will not attack, but the Russian Federation, which is a capitalist country with all the following from here. yes so we will attack, just like the US on Iraq. bully
          perhaps you wanted to say "the West believes" instead of "the West understands"? well that's their problem request
          1. aglet
            aglet 14 January 2022 10: 05
            -1
            "so let's attack, just like the United States on Iraq"
            Well, we can also attack Iraq. And where else?
    2. carpenter
      carpenter 13 January 2022 09: 25
      +4
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      As expected, the politicians of Western countries, being confident in their impunity, continue to swagger, making irresponsible and impudent statements.

      Europe has already gone through this - the Remilitarization of the Rhine zone, the Anschluss of Austria: and then they did not notice the capture of Czechoslovakia, and only when Poland was captured: Denmark, Norway, they realized that the "kyrdyk" crept up to all of Europe, And this is all thanks to the irresponsibility of the West and especially Britain and France. The irresponsibility of world politicians leads to global cataclysms, did they really not learn the consequences of the First World and Second World Wars at school in history lessons, do they really want to completely destroy the whole of Europe.
  4. UPS
    UPS 13 January 2022 06: 35
    +3
    It is believed that this mutual spitting is just a screen. Officially, they were blowing to each other, but in fact, on the sidelines, not in public, some agreements were reached. The question is in what volumes.
    1. vervolk
      vervolk 13 January 2022 06: 52
      -7
      cannot be for one simple one and a half billion reasons. Russia will not negotiate behind China's back.
      1. UPS
        UPS 13 January 2022 07: 37
        +2
        Why not. China is not a friend of Russia, but a situational ally. No major commitment. And for the Yankees, the China-Russia rapprochement is very painful. We must take advantage of the moment. This is diplomacy.
  5. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 13 January 2022 06: 37
    +3
    All that remains is the policy of guaranteed destruction in the form of a retaliatory strike from both Europe from the western borders of Russia and the United States from the east.
    They must understand that everyone and everything will leave with us.
    Moreover, all countries of the world must be involved in the negotiations in order to put pressure on the United States and NATO countries, because this confrontation has long gone beyond the "local" level, this applies to the whole world
    1. lot
      lot 13 January 2022 06: 51
      -5
      Don't be ridiculous, no one will sprinkle bombs on their relatives there. not for that they stole and took out.
      So, chatter to the domestic market.
      The red lines are intended to impress pensioners whose age has been raised and hospitals are reducing:

      "Over the 16 years of the reform, half of the hospitals, one third of hospital beds and every tenth polyclinic were liquidated.

      In terms of the number of hospitals, Russia lags behind the RSFSR in 1932 (5962 hospitals) "

      here they are Red lines.
      1. vervolk
        vervolk 13 January 2022 07: 07
        +3
        Can you imagine the action at the hour "h"? any warrant officer from warhead-2 on a submarine of the northern fleet will receive the coordinates of the target. He lives, for example, in Severomorsk. He has an apartment there, his parents are in Murmansk, their wife is Arkhangelsk ... do you think he has a lot of real estate and children in the hostile west? and who will give the order to Shoigu? that's the whole price of your fabrications about the "corrupt elite", you think the wrong people in the Russian Federation are "elite" ...
        1. Kaufman
          Kaufman 13 January 2022 07: 35
          -3
          Shoigu will give the order to the midshipman ... I tried to imagine - it did not work
          1. vervolk
            vervolk 13 January 2022 08: 49
            -4
            Well then try this. the political leadership (represented by one person) will give the order. the Minister of Defense will give the command to launch. The signal will pass through the appropriate automated systems. the submarine commander will open the envelopes with targets or whatever they are entering targeting into the guidance heads. As a result, the notorious midshipman from the notorious warhead-2 will turn the "key to start" Honestly, I can't imagine at what stage the "corrupt elite with real estate and bank accounts abroad" can wedge into these processes, which also has all the children for some reason in London and New York.
            1. AUL
              AUL 13 January 2022 09: 21
              0
              Quote: vervolk
              Honestly, I can’t imagine at what stage the “corrupt elite with real estate and bank accounts abroad” can break into these processes, who also have all the children for some reason in London and New York.

              At the very first - at the decision-making stage!
              1. vervolk
                vervolk 13 January 2022 10: 24
                +1
                that is, you mean that personally the President of the Russian Federation Putin does not have enough determination? or the Minister of Defense Shoigu?
              2. Siberian54
                Siberian54 13 January 2022 17: 17
                -2
                The commander-in-chief is slapped at the stage of consultations, the interests of the "cream" are too big there, which is why the "nulands" behave so greyhounds
                1. vervolk
                  vervolk 13 January 2022 18: 19
                  -1
                  unscientific fiction from a person with little information about Russian realities
                2. Palmyra
                  Palmyra 13 January 2022 18: 47
                  +1
                  Nulands are raising the stakes and probing for causal spots to see if Russia is bluffing.
                3. Boa kaa
                  Boa kaa 13 January 2022 20: 37
                  +1
                  Quote: Siberian54
                  The commander-in-chief will be slapped at the consultation stage,

                  If you are talking about GDP, then it is not the Civil Code, but the SUPREME COMMANDER-IN-CHIEF of the RF Armed Forces !!!
                  Therefore, your assumption is wrong by definition, because. the guys from the VZO are responsible for the safety of the Supreme High Command with their lives ... This is one thing.
                  Secondly, a decision of this level is made by members of the country's SECURITY COUNCIL, and not personally by the GDP. It is he and 2 other people who give the order to remove codeblocks through "Kazbek" / Cheget /, or whatever it is now ... And this is essentially the implementation of the decision taken by the highest body of the military-political administration of the country and its Armed Forces ...
                  Thirdly, not all "cream" turned sour. There are also decent people who care not only for their money, but also think about the Fatherland ... There are not many of them, but they really exist ... And they connect their interests with Russia, not London ... Curly-haired watchmakers burped into London and burry usurers, who used to be called rootless cosmopolitans ... I understand that many die-hard jingoistic patriots do not like this view of the representatives of the national business. But it is so. And the other has not yet been given.
                  IMHO.
            2. lukewarm
              lukewarm 13 January 2022 09: 40
              +2
              The reliability of this chain is gut. For the world as a whole, not very much, but personally I lived and, in principle, I will not be very upset if I immediately "go to heaven, and they die." And that's not the point. The corrupt elite will intervene in the same way they did in Iraq and Libya. The matter simply will not reach the order you are talking about. And the "partners" will have to deal with a pliable and agreeable new president and government (they will leave half the old, judging by his course)
            3. Kaufman
              Kaufman 13 January 2022 12: 11
              -2
              there will be no such order. There are no such people who will give
        2. Jacket in stock
          Jacket in stock 13 January 2022 07: 40
          0
          Quote: vervolk
          warrant officer from BCH-2 on a submarine of the northern fleet will receive the coordinates of the target.

          Who will he get them from?
          And besides Shoigu, there are still a lot of people in the government who do not hide at all that the West is dearer and dearer to them.
          And since they are there, it means that someone appointed them there.
          And who appoints us?
          1. vervolk
            vervolk 13 January 2022 09: 22
            -3
            uh huh huh? who is it in the government that declares that "the west is dearer and dearer" if you please clarify?
          2. Kamarada
            Kamarada 13 January 2022 16: 15
            +2
            Those in which the west is prettier should be sent in shackles to Siberia. There they will learn to love their homeland.
        3. lot
          lot 13 January 2022 08: 22
          0
          You just think badly obviously.
          no need to start talking about the elite: a cheap trick in the discussion.
          And this is - in Gremikha he lived half his life - I think the midshipman is in the courses where it is and how it is now laughing
        4. aglet
          aglet 14 January 2022 10: 12
          0
          "And Shoigu, who will give him the order?"
          Shoigu will not give him such an order
      2. 75 Sergey
        75 Sergey 13 January 2022 08: 57
        +4
        No, well, in general, I agree, the families of our current drivers in the West are "hostages", but after all, 17 was in the last century, everything can change.
      3. Ren
        Ren 13 January 2022 10: 03
        +2
        Quote: lot
        In terms of the number of hospitals, Russia lags behind the RSFSR in 1932 (5962 hospitals) "

        Are you aware that in 1932 the territories of present-day Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan were still part of the RSFSR (they were withdrawn from the RSFSR in 1936)? hi
        Could you tell me how many hospitals are there in total? repeat
        1. lot
          lot 13 January 2022 10: 31
          -3
          I won't tell you ((
          Since 2000, 300-350 hospitals per year have been reduced in Russia. For 16 years their number has decreased five times. First of all, as part of the “restructuring and optimization of the healthcare system,” hospitals in villages and villages are being closed. Polyclinics also became much smaller - there were 21,3 thousand, it became 18,6 thousand. Accordingly, the load on each of them increased by 20% (from 166 to 208 people per day). As for feldsher-obstetric stations (FAPs), according to the Ministry of Health (2016), more than 10 thousand of them were closed over the previous 5 years. It was assumed that FAPs would partially replace the offices of general practitioners. The assumptions did not come true.

          The rural population is left virtually without medical care, stated Tatyana Golikova, then the head of the Accounts Chamber, speaking in 2016 to State Duma deputies: out of 130 thousand rural settlements in the country, only 45 thousand can receive at least some kind of medical care.
        2. aglet
          aglet 14 January 2022 10: 13
          +1
          "Can you tell me how many hospitals there are in this area?"
          now, or in 1932?
          1. Ren
            Ren 14 January 2022 10: 32
            0
            Quote: aglet
            now, or in 1932?

            The number of hospitals in the RSFSR in 1932 indicated a lot
            lot
            In terms of the number of hospitals, Russia lags behind the RSFSR in 1932 (5962 hospitals)

            the question was addressed to him, tk. The territory of the RSFSR of the 1932 model differs from the territory of the Russian Federation of the 2021 model very significantly, there are no territories of present-day Kazakhstan, Uzbekistan, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan (they were withdrawn from the RSFSR in 1936).
            hi
    2. Mikhail Sidorov
      Mikhail Sidorov 13 January 2022 07: 08
      -3
      Are Yao Warheads Enough to Destroy the Western World? We will not be able to treat everybody not to the Soviet Union. And there are many partners in Japan and Australia and New Zealand - where many have dug bunkers.
      1. vervolk
        vervolk 13 January 2022 07: 38
        -1
        just shut off a couple of valves to destroy Europe this winter. It is enough to "close" the Suez Canal to do the same with the states. And there is also Panamanian. there are indirect actions. Nuclear weapons are needed to exponentially destroy the authorities in the event of global conflicts, well, there is a White House, the Pentagon, Langley-CIA headquarters, a base in Quantico, etc. And then the inhabitants of blessed America themselves will turn it into the land of savages and cannibals. without any nuclear strikes.
        1. lot
          lot 13 January 2022 08: 41
          -3
          Sir, finish school first, then post the analyst laughing
          exponentially destroy ...
          You even have a marvel avatar.
          1. vervolk
            vervolk 13 January 2022 17: 23
            0
            I think your attack is a trolling and a provocation, so a well-mannered person to respond to it is beneath any dignity!
        2. aglet
          aglet 14 January 2022 10: 18
          +2
          "just turn off a couple of valves to destroy Europe this winter"
          rumors about the power of Gazprom are greatly exaggerated. it supplies only 30% of the gas consumed there to Europe
      2. ser-pov
        ser-pov 13 January 2022 07: 42
        +5
        Under the START treaty, we have no more than 700 launch vehicles and 1500 charges for them. And over 6000 units have been stocked this way. More than the United States. Yes, and Minutemans have 3-4 warheads (if I'm not mistaken, don't throw your slippers), and we have 10 warheads on Satan.
        1. Mikhail Sidorov
          Mikhail Sidorov 13 January 2022 07: 58
          -2
          I always wondered if it was a mistake to place a large number of warheads on one carrier. From the point of view of economy, it is more profitable, I understand, but it is also easier to destroy one carrier with a bunch of warheads.
          1. aglet
            aglet 14 January 2022 10: 21
            -1
            "I understand from the point of view of economy it is more profitable, but it is also easier to destroy one carrier with a bunch of warheads."
            at a certain moment they separate, and then fly independently, according to their goals
            1. Mikhail Sidorov
              Mikhail Sidorov 14 January 2022 10: 26
              +2
              I mean by the carrier nuclear submarines, strat bombers.
              1. aglet
                aglet 14 January 2022 10: 37
                0
                "I mean by the carrier nuclear submarines"
                building a nuclear-powered ship under one rocket is not kosher
                1. Mikhail Sidorov
                  Mikhail Sidorov 14 January 2022 12: 30
                  +1
                  building a nuclear-powered ship under one rocket is not kosher

                  This is clear. But stuffing them down the throat is somehow scary. One torpedo from the plane and that's it.
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 13 January 2022 10: 08
          +7
          Quote: ser-pov
          More than the United States. Yes, and 3-4 warheads on Minutemans (if I am not mistaken, do not throw slippers)

          Minutemans are now monoblock, sort of. And add ~ 500 more warheads from France and Great Britain to the USA. Because NATO.
          But for anyone interested, a declassified map of nuclear strikes against the USSR in 1956. The info is outdated, of course, but with regard to Russia, I think, little has changed.
          https://futureoflife.org/background/declassified-us-nuclear-targets-russian/
        3. Aag
          Aag 14 January 2022 14: 15
          0
          Quote: ser-pov
          Under the START treaty, we have no more than 700 launch vehicles and 1500 charges for them. And over 6000 units have been stocked this way. More than the United States. Yes, and Minutemans have 3-4 warheads (if I'm not mistaken, don't throw your slippers), and we have 10 warheads on Satan.

          And we all have "Satan" ICBMs, right?
      3. KCA
        KCA 13 January 2022 07: 56
        +8
        They write about 6375 nuclear warheads, of which 1572 are on deployed strategic carriers, the rest are in storage, the number of tactical nuclear weapons is not officially taken into account and there is no data, estimates vary, from 6000 to 16000
  6. Fedor Sokolov
    Fedor Sokolov 13 January 2022 06: 38
    +14
    And why should we with NATO resume the work of missions if things are still there? We don't need a talking house! It is necessary to see concrete actions from NATO guaranteeing the security and inviolability of the Russian borders.
    1. UPS
      UPS 13 January 2022 06: 58
      +7
      NATO will not give written, legal guarantees. This is a slap in the face for them. But there is no doubt that they ruined the air. I think the period of hidden agreements is beginning. As in the Caribbean crisis, the Yankees removed Pershing from Turkey and Italy in Tikhorya, and only then they presented the world with a fact. Not everything is clear on the diplomatic front.
      1. Fedor Sokolov
        Fedor Sokolov 13 January 2022 07: 25
        +5
        Hidden agreements with the Americans will sometimes mark the surrender of our national interests! Gorbachev also at one time conducted secret negotiations, and then the whole huge and seemingly indestructible empire collapsed in the USSR.
  7. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 13 January 2022 06: 41
    +19
    Moscow 'uses rhetoric of threats and intimidation'
    Who would talk about the "rhetoric of threats", but not the West, led by the United States, from which nothing else is heard except threats. Endless sanctions, "talking from a position of strength", "Russia will answer...", "Economy to shreds"... etc., etc. And of course, Poland and the Balts immediately squealed their favorite - give new sanctions.
    Representatives of the North Atlantic military bloc refused to provide legally binding guarantees to Russia...
    In principle, this was expected with 99% certainty. Let's see what happens next and on both sides.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 13 January 2022 07: 22
      +6
      Quote: rotmistr60
      And naturally Poland and the Balts immediately squealed their favorite - give new sanctions.

      The United States proposed to introduce personal sanctions against Russian President Vladimir Putin
      And so already Putin will not be able to shop on the Champs Elysees ... Where next? What sanctions can be worse? belay

      But the president of any Latvia is not imposed by sanctions. Please let him come to Moscow for health. In Moscow boutiques, if you try, you can leave the annual budget of Latvia for a day. laughing
    2. PAUL 7
      PAUL 7 13 January 2022 16: 01
      0
      What's next. NATO is already discussing the introduction of additional forces in the Baltic States!
  8. yuriy55
    yuriy55 13 January 2022 07: 11
    -6
    As you can see, the situation is far from being de-escalated. Russia’s negotiations with the United States and NATO didn’t arrange ...


    Were NATO intimidated by warnings, expressions of concern and demonstrations of contempt? What do you want? Yes, so much Russian good has been exported, stored and hidden to NATO countries that it will be enough for three hundred years ... to all these families that rule in Russia by the State Duma and the Northern Fleet ...
    Sitting, I suppose in London, laughing ... laughing
    1. vervolk
      vervolk 13 January 2022 07: 30
      +1
      there is data on at least one account of Putin or Shoigu? let me guess no. all Western intelligence services can not dig up but you have an insider infa? or did you come up with everything? confess ...
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 13 January 2022 07: 48
        +3
        Quote: vervolk
        there is data on at least one account of Putin or Shoigu? let me guess no.

        Are you so zombified that you don't even see what is written in my message? What is Putin? What Shoigu?
        You are here:

        in which frame?
        They found the helmsman ... He's a zagrebnaya (in galleys) ... Turn your head on, and tell me how frightened those who raised the prices of foodstuffs and could not reach the most real expenses for housing and communal services were afraid of Putin's shout.
        1. vervolk
          vervolk 13 January 2022 17: 25
          +1
          then answer one simple but logical question - who. do you think it makes decisions in Russia? the little families who, according to you, "took everything out and plundered" or Putin and Shoigu?
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 13 January 2022 17: 52
            +3
            Quote: vervolk
            then answer one simple but logical question - who

            To tell you the truth so as not to upset you and not offend the president?
            Analyzing all of his statements, plans and decrees, I cannot give an exact answer to this question. I can only assume that everything that he says at his inauguration and annual messages are optional theses.
            There is no need to be led by a business whose owners do not live in Russia or are taxed offshore.
            His "decisive" increase in personal income tax for the "rich" by 2 percent can only mean that he does not want to offend the Russian moneybags. And the disregard for potential pensioners and the setting for a living wage, the minimum wage is said that the decreasing population of the country does not play a role for him ...
            The role of the formidable king he succeeded only in relation to the poor. Most likely, everyone who is not forbidden is just running there ...
            1. vervolk
              vervolk 13 January 2022 18: 21
              -1
              I have more questions for you, everything is very clear to me with the level of your analytics.
              1. yuriy55
                yuriy55 13 January 2022 18: 32
                +3
                Quote: vervolk
                with the level of your analytics, everything is very clear to me.

                Don't be discouraged. I do not claim to be true in the scientific world. I'm just guessing. I compare what I see on the street, in a store, in other public places with what they say on websites ... Sometimes it all fits together ...
          2. aglet
            aglet 14 January 2022 10: 31
            -3
            "or Putin and Shoigu?"
            at least not Putin. that the rest of the Kremlin's towers are not very fulfilling his decisions. and shoigu does not shoot without a command
  9. Iron
    Iron 13 January 2022 07: 29
    +1
    Quote: vervolk
    Russia will not negotiate behind China's back.

    Why such confidence that the PRC is our friend? We are damned capitalists for them. Maybe someone forgot about Damansky? Or what kind of maps does the PRC draw?
    The Chinese are like a cunning monkey that sits on a tree under which lions and tigers fight, then it will go down, finish off the survivors and rest on their skins ...
    These exclamations about China remind me very much of the shouts of the Ukrainians - America is with us !!!
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 13 January 2022 13: 01
      +7
      Quote: Iron
      We are damned capitalists for them. Maybe someone forgot about Damansky?
      and the incident at Damanskoye was it not during the USSR? and if I am not mistaken in the last century. about the solution of territorial issues and the documented refusal of territorial claims, carried out already in this century, you, of course, will modestly keep silent bully
      Quote: Iron
      Or what kind of maps does the PRC draw?

      what kind of vulgarity? the fact that these cards are drawn in Taiwan is no longer a secret. do not disgrace yourself.
      from you begins to stink strongly of the American dream of playing off China with Russia. scorch wink
      Quote: Iron
      The Chinese are like a cunning monkey that sits on a tree under which lions and tigers fight, then it will go down, finish off the survivors and rest on their skins ...

      and as part of the implementation of these insidious plans enters into direct confrontation with the United States defending its interests in Hong Kong and working to restore control over Taiwan?
      I'm wondering, those who wrote this story about a monkey in relation to China, who are they guided by? who have not lost the last grain of logic and common sense?
      Quote: Iron
      These exclamations about China remind me very much of the shouts of the Ukrainians - America is with us !!!

      well to go nuts! there are only enemies around! what a gorgeous concept of foreign policy you have - to be at daggers with everyone around you. Are you definitely from Russia and are worried about the interests of Russia? So far, apart from the proposal, Russia will quarrel with all its neighbors so that Russia is easier to crush, while nothing is visible. request
      1. aglet
        aglet 14 January 2022 10: 41
        -1
        "Well, go nuts! there are only enemies around!"
        can you post a list of friends?
    2. vervolk
      vervolk 13 January 2022 17: 27
      -2
      can someone see the articles in the Chinese press? and reads comments on world events by the Chinese comrades themselves? and those who like to remember the history of Russian-Chinese relations, let them tell how many times the Chinese troops took at least one Russian village and compare it with the capture of Beijing by the Russian troops ...
  10. fsps
    fsps 13 January 2022 07: 49
    +7
    We remember 1941. Hitler even concluded and signed agreements, which did not bother him in the least. Do not forget also Yugoslavia, Libya and beyond. And the plan Ost.
  11. Tagan
    Tagan 13 January 2022 08: 02
    +4
    Quote: lot
    When the Turks shot down the attack aircraft, they abandoned the tomato and the buffet.
    the pilot was given a hero.
    All.

    Seriously? Don't count the smoked Turkish carcasses and their henchmen?
  12. valera75
    valera75 13 January 2022 08: 07
    +3
    I think that all the talk openly is to the public, but behind closed doors they have already told what awaits NATO and the rest in case of failure to fulfill Russia's requirements. and threaten, but if there is silence on their side, then this silence will greatly scare their vassals. And about Russia and Putin, I will never believe that Putin is bluffing and he does not have a few trump cards in his sleeve. they want to do with Russia will accelerate at times, the bluff of Russia for them will mean as a signal for action. So it is inappropriate to consider Putin as a stupid person. By the way, the DPRK's hypersound, I think, is one of the allusions for Sher Khan and Tabbaki.
  13. smihko
    smihko 13 January 2022 08: 09
    +4
    I am certainly not a military man. The construction battalion was my service in the army. But as I understand the United States and NATO, I really want to fuck RUSSIA at least with sanctions. But it seems to me that these sanctions are like masturbation ... all NATO members measure their pussies, I have more, I don’t have ... but in fact, they want to really fuck Russia so that it becomes pregnant with American ideas, so they announced if war ... then they would measure themselves ... whoever survives will remain to steer ... the remnants of the world ... already tired of all these blinkin 'with Stoltenbergs and other Poles and Balts ... but then what needs to be done is - necessary. But nothing else will work than giving all this Caudle some musals. There was also a legal agreement with Hitler. And everyone knows what came out of him. And with amers, there are already examples - the diplomatic property seized by illegal means has not yet been transferred back. What can you negotiate with them? In business, they cheat once. Nobody will work with you the second time. And what, in politics it is necessary to step on the same rake two or three times? I don't think ... I hope that the President of Russia knows what he is doing and how he will be able to resist this schoble of "partners" who are running into "adventures". God bless Russia.
  14. Iron
    Iron 13 January 2022 08: 41
    +2
    Quote: vervolk
    just shut off a couple of valves to destroy Europe this winter.

    What kind of valves? The gas transportation system is not a plumbing in the bathroom. laughing It just can't be blocked off. Kill the wells or what? Minimize production? An amateur's reasoning ...
    1. lot
      lot 13 January 2022 15: 00
      -2
      some very funny trolls here. very pretty. laughing
    2. aglet
      aglet 14 January 2022 10: 45
      -1
      "It's not easy to shut off. Well, to shut off wells or what? Cut the production? The reasoning of an amateur ..."
      to the attention of amateurs, wells are perfectly stopped, by regular means, or transferred to the pkhg. everything is not simple, but very simple
  15. rocket757
    rocket757 13 January 2022 08: 44
    +5
    The West is commenting on the words of the Deputy Foreign Minister of the Russian Federation about the possible military parry of the threat posed by NATO
    Did not agree.
    And now the question ... will it be possible for everyone to stay with their own people or the expected / unexpected events will occur ???
    1. cniza
      cniza 13 January 2022 09: 41
      +4
      Good time! hi

      Everyone will solve their problems ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 January 2022 10: 16
        +2
        Welcome soldier
        You can solve your tasks, but when they go against someone else, no less persistent in achieving their goals, having the strength that reinforces this persistence !!!
        Is it worth it to resist with a horn or is it more useful to negotiate, seek a compromise ???
        1. cniza
          cniza 13 January 2022 10: 23
          +3
          We understand this, but let them resist and then we will agree, I see no other option ...
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 13 January 2022 10: 28
            +3
            Another round of useless chatter and ... and then, you need to back up your demands with real deeds. Alas, there is no other way.
            1. cniza
              cniza 13 January 2022 13: 22
              +4
              I think that we perfectly understood how these negotiations would end, but we had to go through this stage and we have a plan for further actions, I emphasize - it was ready in advance ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 13 January 2022 14: 29
                +1
                There is always an element ... what if !!!
                But one has to prepare for any development of events.
                1. cniza
                  cniza 13 January 2022 17: 37
                  +2
                  This is so, there are always elements of surprise ...
              2. Boa kaa
                Boa kaa 13 January 2022 21: 14
                +3
                You're right. The SVR school - it teaches you to count options a few steps ahead in several scenarios ... But, about our cockroaches.
                It seems to me that a cocked HYPER-Colt will be assigned to EUROPA's head, and in such a position that no one will rock the boat, they will resolve the issue with country 404. They will make it at least neutral-friendly. And in the best case, "they will return to their native harbor." For the root of the problem is the square one under the yoke of the Banderaites.
                And this is not at all according to concepts. And this is very seriously annoying adult uncles ...
                AHA.
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    1. lukewarm
      lukewarm 13 January 2022 09: 21
      +2
      Quote: Iron
      Only someone eats meat, and someone eats cabbage, and on average we all eat cabbage rolls ...

      laughing good True, the business took up cheap food. Cabbage is no longer so easy to sneeze. You look, we have already reached the notorious "macaroni". And who will cope with this - we will finish it with utility tariffs.
    2. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 13 January 2022 13: 20
      +2
      Quote: Iron
      There are many examples when the guarantor of the constitution lied openly ...

      and you decided to prove it with lies? creative idea good I especially liked about vacationers in Crimea laughing
      what's the idea? so that those who really care about the fact that "someone eats meat, and someone eats cabbage" are associated with you and your lies? what
    3. vervolk
      vervolk 13 January 2022 18: 23
      +1
      simple but you are unsubstantiated in your every phrase. none of them are true. you attribute to another what you yourself have just done.
  17. lukewarm
    lukewarm 13 January 2022 09: 17
    +1
    In Russia, they ask the question: if the alliance is defensive, then from whom did it “defend” in Yugoslavia, Libya?

    Well, how! From "tyrants" and "dictators". The stump is clear that these are negotiations for negotiations. The situation, apparently, reached the point and ours decided to finally and publicly make sure that there was no political and diplomatic solution before taking military measures.
  18. Maluck
    Maluck 13 January 2022 09: 23
    -2
    I think that it is time for Russia to switch to the language of threats as well. For example, to threaten the complete cessation of any maritime communication in the Baltic, making this area a zone free from flights. Threatening the deployment of launchers in Venezuela or Nicaragua, along the way threatening to complicate maritime communications in the Caribbean Sea and the Gulf of Mexico. There are many options, for this you don’t even need to drown anyone, you can simply project a threat and everyone will immediately start to squat.
  19. Iron
    Iron 13 January 2022 09: 36
    0
    Quote: unwillingly
    The situation, apparently, reached the point and ours decided to finally and publicly make sure that there was no political and diplomatic solution before taking military measures.

    Economic crisis. When the USSR was destroyed, the market was divided. Our bourgeoisie saved up money and climb to the pie. And why should they bourgeoisie? We must besiege. Which is what they do. But our bourgeoisie decided to push an ultimatum, like everything in the post-Soviet space is ours! And they were sent to the dicks. You can't tell the people, go guys, fight so that Miller still has deposits, and Gref has people in credit bondage ... Therefore, they bring it up ... That evil Nata will come and make you slaves ... Then you will bite your elbows! As if we all live like in a fairy tale ... Happy and contented, each cottage in Spain and a yacht at the pier in Italy ...
    1. Sanichsan
      Sanichsan 13 January 2022 13: 51
      +4
      Quote: Iron
      That evil Nata will come and make you slaves ...

      I agree about our bourgeoisie, but excuse me, but did Nata become kind from this? you do not want to say that the Libyan democracy is better than what it is now.
      Quote: Iron
      As if we all live like in a fairy tale ...

      there is something to compare. there were already times when there were no conflicts with Natai. straight labyzalisya! they even wanted to join this Nata. remember? saints nineties wassat brrr .. god forbid again.
      Quote: Iron
      Happy and contented, everyone has a hut in Spain and a yacht at the dock in Italy ...

      Well, Christmas tree sticks. started for health, finished for repose. what are you for? for a fair distribution of resources or for crawling to the trough instead of Miller and Gref? if for the first then you have huts in Spain and yachts in Italy, you have never had and will not be. request although with a hut in Spain and now the project is being implemented. they have something like our Far Eastern hectare there. You will get a hut for free if you undertake to live there, but there is no work, there is no infrastructure ... the Spaniards did not just dumped from there wink
  20. cniza
    cniza 13 January 2022 09: 40
    +5
    In Russia, they ask the question: if the alliance is defensive, then from whom did it “defend” in Yugoslavia, Libya?


    According to them, this is different and we do not understand anything ...
  21. lot
    lot 13 January 2022 10: 13
    -4
    The incident over the Baltic: how the USSR shot down an American plane:
    On April 8, 1950, Soviet fighters shot down a US bomber over the Baltic
    https://www.gazeta.ru/science/2020/04/07_a_13040233.shtml

    my father told a story:
    they say, Stalin then asked the pilot of the fighter -

    - Are you sure that the plane violated our border?
    to which the pilot replied:
    - with one wing for sure, Joseph Vissarionovich.

    well, something like that about the red lines.
  22. Iron
    Iron 13 January 2022 10: 16
    0
    Quote: Maluck
    For example, to threaten the complete cessation of any maritime communication in the Baltic, making this water area a flight-free zone. Threaten the deployment of launchers in Venezuela or Nicaragua, at the same time threatening the complication of maritime traffic in the Caribbean and the Gulf of Mexico. There are many options, for this you don't even need to drown anyone, you can just project a threat and everyone will immediately begin to squat.

    Brilliant! So they already say that we are a threat ... Need to confirm their words? Why would they start squatting? And if not? With such ingenious moves, we get global isolation ...
  23. Antokha
    Antokha 13 January 2022 10: 33
    +4
    we are talking about legal measures

    Legal from the point of view of whom? Americans? This concept does not apply when it comes to war.
    which the Russian Federation is capable of using due to the fact that NATO already considers Russian territory as a target for strike weapons.

    Already? And I overslept the moment it happened! Was it not from the very formation of NATO, and even earlier, from the time when the Second World War was going on? Some kind of diplomatic kindergarten.
  24. Lena Petrova
    Lena Petrova 13 January 2022 11: 01
    +1
    Quote: lot
    In terms of the number of hospitals, Russia lags behind the RSFSR in 1932 (5962 hospitals) "

    And yet, before the whole collective farm cultivated one field. :))
    It would be nice just to compare these hospitals with each other in terms of volume and equipment. I'll try to help you:
    Hospitals in 1932 - 5,3 thousand, beds - 287 thousand.
    Hospitals in 2022 - 5,1 thousand, beds - 1174 thousand.
    https://ruxpert.ru/Статистика:Численность_больниц_и_больничных_мест_в_России
  25. sat2004
    sat2004 13 January 2022 12: 40
    -2
    We need to start blocking NATO troops, declare a no-fly zone in all the former republics of the USSR. Block exercises in all former republics of the USSR. NATO exercises can be conducted within the 1980 borders. This is technically possible. Send radars to aircraft to destroy them. Jam radio communications and other similar actions. Give a month to begin the NATO withdrawal outside the 1980 border. And the most important thing is to destroy the militants. Deprive NATO of ground support. Arm the rebels opposing NATO ground forces. Create rebel training camps around the world. Defend the rebels with attack drones.
  26. Iron
    Iron 13 January 2022 13: 54
    0
    Quote: SanichSan
    about the solution of territorial issues and the documented refusal of territorial claims, carried out already in this century, you, of course, will modestly keep silent

    Well no. The guarantor gave all the disputed territories of the PRC.
    Quote: SanichSan
    what kind of vulgarity? the fact that these cards are drawn in Taiwan is no longer a secret. do not disgrace yourself.
    from you begins to stink strongly of the American dream of playing off China with Russia. scorch

    Hmm ... Well, I took a mouse pad for myself on Aliexpress. With a world map. Such a funny card. Taiwan mean? Well, let it be Taiwan. What kind of dream are we talking about? When did I dream of playing off the PRC and the Russian Federation? I just asked where is the conviction that the PRC is our friend?
    Quote: SanichSan
    what a gorgeous concept of foreign policy you have - to be at daggers with everyone around you. Are you definitely from Russia and are worried about the interests of Russia? So far, apart from the proposal, Russia will quarrel with all its neighbors so that Russia is easier to crush, while nothing is visible.

    So around the enemies, not me, but the Guarantor lol Where will my proposals quarrel with everyone? Where did I offer to quarrel with China or someone else? Are you sure you read my comments?
  27. likas
    likas 13 January 2022 14: 17
    +2
    it's time to get grandfather's Maxim ...
  28. alystan
    alystan 13 January 2022 18: 23
    +3
    In Poland, the Baltic countries and some other states, it was proposed to "respond to Russia with a new sanctions package." In the United States, they proposed imposing personal sanctions against Russian President Vladimir Putin, as well as against a number of federal government ministers.

    Apart from illegal sanctions, they can no longer offer anything else and do not know how to do it.
  29. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 13 January 2022 18: 33
    +2
    Quote: lot
    some very funny trolls here. very pretty. laughing

    lol Moreover, organized:
    a criminal community, commonly referred to as a `` gang ''
    They write and minus harmoniously!
  30. Iron
    Iron 13 January 2022 18: 42
    0
    Quote: SanichSan
    and you decided to prove it with lies?


    https://yandex.ru/video/touch/preview/?text=%D0%BB%D0%BE%D0%B6%D1%8C%20%D0%BF%D1%83%D1%82%D0%B8%D0%BD%D0%B0%20%D0%BF%D1%80%D0%BE%20%D0%BA%D1%80%D1%8B%D0%BC&path=wizard&parent-reqid=1642088048501598-1728534021507017910-vla1-3880-vla-l7-balancer-8080-BAL-2112&wiz_type=vital&filmId=6801847135799158453

    Honest man lol
  31. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 13 January 2022 21: 03
    -3
    I have not yet seen a dumber article on VO - a headline about commenting on the words of that in the West, and in the text there are only two lines about this. The rest is generally stupid reprinting of the latest news. To the author minus one hundred and five hundred from karma.
  32. Andy brinoch
    Andy brinoch 13 January 2022 21: 07
    +2
    You have to be more restrained in your verbiage and be more specific in your actions. The West understands only force, so it must be demonstrated!
  33. Sergey Nikiforov
    Sergey Nikiforov 13 January 2022 21: 17
    -2
    Well, the drums of war sounded again, and what you need to understand is that it will not come to a nuclear war - idiots go to heaven or hell until you can see What we have Warlike statements about the hypothetical deployment of weapons in Cuba, etc. Well, first of all, it is desirable to agree with the peoples of these countries, America is simple to Announce the lifting of all sanctions against Cuba and in a week half of Cuba will be there, and the other half will wait for tourists What kind of missiles In another designated country, the opposition wins elections in the main region of the country Will they agree to the question of missiles But ours clearly reacted stock exchanges, the rate of which after the well-known statements fell by 2,5%, and the exchange rates immediately rose And if you consider how much we buy in the West, then the rise in prices in 21 will just be an idyll 22 will show And this is not whining, this is just a statement We , for example, we buy almost completely sugar beet seeds, etc. Why are these long arguments Well confrontation is not in our favor The only explanation is before the new (old) elections in 2024 years, to consolidate people with a military threat, to turn them into a military camp It's easier, all flaws are attributed to a military threat Well, then a well-known scenario I personally expressed my point of view
  34. trill
    trill 14 January 2022 02: 04
    -1
    Quote: LIONnvrsk
    Quote: vervolk
    oh, that is, do you think that the United States as a self-sufficient subject without NATO is equal to zero?

    NATO always and everywhere proclaims the principle - One for all and all for one. yes
    But it’s not like Dumas, it’s like that in NAT - the USA alone makes decisions and commands for everyone, and then everyone “takes the rap” for them alone and reaps the rewards! smile


    Ha ha, the underblock of the ODKB in the person of Russia would also like to rule that way, but the sovereign countries themselves are striving to leave it and join NATO. Why suddenly? lol
  35. Romul_78
    Romul_78 14 January 2022 19: 00
    0
    Who are you threatening there? To your families who have been there for a long time?
  36. silver_roman
    silver_roman 14 January 2022 23: 18
    0
    Why doesn't the Russian Federation stop any dip at all. relations with the Baltic States and the Lyakhai? recall ambassadors, close the diplomatic mission. representations and all. When was there any dialogue with these creatures lately? they are puppets. meaning?
  37. DPN
    DPN 15 January 2022 23: 03
    0
    Nothing will be worse than the collapse of the USSR. Sovereigns will scare each other and calm down to live and they want to.