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“We swung at the most sacred”: what can the US limit to the Russians

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New Year's relapse


For the first time in the United States, they started talking about a possible ban on the import of smartphones and other household appliances to Russia before the New Year.

Then the opinions of experts were divided - someone assured that the Americans were only scaring, and someone insisted on the seriousness of their intentions.

And now a new round of the "war of promises" - on January 8, the New York Times again warned of a possible restriction of exports to Russia.

Even the first package of sanctions was not introduced, but here we are talking about the second wave.

In many respects, of course, this was only preparation for the Geneva talks between Moscow and Washington, but the potential consequences of such restrictions could be of strategic proportions. And for both Russians and Americans. This is clearly understood in the United States and so far they are threatening sanctions only in the event of a Russian invasion of Ukraine.

There is an opinion in the Kremlin political elite that the Americans, firstly, scare us, and secondly, “dishwashers are not the most sacred thing for Russians.” This phrase of the press secretary of the President Dmitry Peskov has recently become truly winged.

But here the expression is obviously taken out of context - the official answered with irony to a clearly provocative question like "did the Americans threaten the most sacred things with their sanctions?"

The Russians, of course, will cope with the embargo on the supply of refrigerators, dishwashers and washing machines from the United States. These are typical sanctions designed not for the economy and not for the political leadership of the country, but aimed directly at the consumer.

Until now, the Americans did not dare to do this in relation to the Russians. There are examples of the use of "anti-people" sanctions against Iran and Syria.

But, unfortunately, the United States has a lot of leverage to put pressure on the public.

Let's try to carefully consider the most likely options.

First of all, it is an embargo on the export of smartphones and other consumer electronics.

There will be no big grief from the disappearance of the iPhone, but this will inevitably increase the prices of Chinese and Korean products. A competitor has left - you can review the price tags. If this is not enough, Washington will impose sanctions against suppliers of analogues from other countries, primarily from China and South Korea.

It will not work to block 100%, but the quality of the supplied equipment and once again the prices will change dramatically and not at all for the better. The shadow market, coupled with the smuggling of high-tech goods, will become the norm for Russians.

But this is not the most depressing thing that can await the country.

In the most radical version, the United States is able to seriously restrict the operation of operating systems in Russia.

That is, all computers and other computer equipment connected to the Internet will at one moment turn into a pile of scrap metal.

What this can threaten is perfectly illustrated by the events in Kazakhstan, when, with the shutdown of the Internet, the country plunged into the conditions of the middle of the XNUMXth century for several days.

At the same time, for the Russians, this threat is becoming more and more real from year to year - the government is systematically transferring all documentation to electronic platforms. A one-time shutdown of Windows, Ubuntu, iOS and partially Android will greatly complicate access (if not block it at all) to future electronic passports, TCP and, of course, cashless payments.

Therefore, with the dispersal of the Cold War, it will be very useful to have houses under the pillow of NZ from crispy banknotes.

The United States can influence the operation of Android quite indirectly - after all, it is an open source operating system.

But Americans can easily block the work of various Google applications.

However, for some it will be a long-awaited gift - thousands of YouTube bloggers and other "loafers" will be unemployed.

Smartphones to the landfill


There are already precedents - in 2019, Trump banned Huawei from working with the Android operating system and Google services not only in the US, but throughout the world.

This, of course, is not an apocalypse, but work with Chinese technology has been seriously complicated. The Chinese analogue of HarmonyOS is not even an analogue of Android yet, but in terms of functionality it seriously lags behind the range of Google services.

And, of course, users of the native American iOS system, which Washington can turn off in Russia within a couple of minutes, will be the first to suffer. And not only those that are imported into the country, but also purchased earlier.

So far, the few electric vehicles of the Tesla brand can also immobilize in the bud - this allows the system to update the operating system “over the air”.

Some expert opinions from the programming community regarding the situation:

“Of course, you can disable operating system updates, but many functions will be lost, this is especially critical for smartphones. But it still won’t help, they will find a loophole - the systems of their development. For example, they will write a simple program that will be tied to the geolocation of the gadget. He got to the territory of the Russian Federation - that's it, khan, the drive is formatted the first time it is turned on. There is no reception against scrap, we do not have our own software. All hope is in the Chinese."

All of the above is not the fruit of idle speculation - Bloomberg claims that the US administration is seriously considering the possibility of banning the supply to Russia of everything that is "made using American technology."

If you just look at the list of patents in the US, it turns out that almost everything can be cut off.

And if we fix all this by disconnecting from SWIFT, then our country will return to not the best years of Soviet power.

However, it's too early to despair.

There will be no winners


The situation with the total introduction of restrictions for Russia will be unpredictable, first of all, for Washington itself.

First, companies will lose one of the most important markets with a population of 146 million people.

Look at how Google is slowly but surely bending under the rather strict requirements of the Kremlin - this is a clear sign that money is more expensive for the States than politics.

American business will cease to exist on the territory of Russia - most of it will be nationalized with a high probability. As a response, so to speak.

Secondly, a precedent of this magnitude will not go unnoticed and wary on the part of US trading partners.

Where is the probability that in a couple of years this will not be done with South Korea or Japan?

Thirdly, Russia always has leverage over the European vassals of the United States in the form of gas and oil supplies. And if you block the streams in the dead of winter, and even with half-empty vaults, then vassal devotion will noticeably decrease.

And, finally, the extreme, fourth scenario is the interpretation of sanctions as a declaration of war.

A real war, not a cold one, but a very hot one.

In fact, Washington, by such restrictions, seeks to throw the country back 30–50 years, almost to the “pre-information” era, which is identical in consequences to a war.

It is unpleasant in this situation to realize Russia's vulnerability to such threats. As trite as it sounds now, in the Soviet Union resistance to total sanctions was much higher.
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  1. Third district
    Third district 16 January 2022 05: 09
    +31
    It is unpleasant in this situation to realize Russia's vulnerability to such threats. As trite as it sounds now, in the Soviet Union resistance to total sanctions was much higher.

    Now what will those who shouted everywhere say: "The whole world works in cooperation and no one, himself, completely produces anything." How will it feel, first of all, the aircraft industry, agriculture, which is now full of imported equipment, including American.
    1. KCA
      KCA 16 January 2022 05: 45
      +26
      Here's what they will say on the Boeing, because small things, like landing gear made of titanium, but you can't build an airplane
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 16 January 2022 05: 53
        -40
        Quote: KCA
        like titanium landing gear, but you can’t build an airplane

        Are you talking about Superjet and MS21?
        1. KCA
          KCA 16 January 2022 06: 02
          +30
          I wrote in Russian letters - Boeing
          1. bayard
            bayard 16 January 2022 08: 31
            +22
            Boeing and Airbus have more than 50% of all titanium structures (landing gear, power set elements, floor sections) from Russia. And they will not be able to replace them quickly.
            And the second titanium monopolist is China. If sanctions are introduced in concert with it, then for several years it is definitely possible to stop the global (Western) aviation industry.
            And the Russian Federation also supplies nuclear fuel to the United States for nuclear power plants.
            But in fact, such sanctions are already a war. And the war for them will be the last.
            1. smart fellow
              smart fellow 17 January 2022 01: 08
              +5
              The United States can enrich uranium itself, but it is more profitable to buy from Rosatom. Rosatom buys uranium in Kazakhstan (produced by a Canadian company), Australia, etc. His is not enough. Rosatom recently spun off a uranium mine in the United States to avoid sanctions.
              1. Disant
                Disant 17 January 2022 02: 19
                +4
                The United States can enrich uranium itself

                could. before. whether they can now is the question.
              2. bayard
                bayard 17 January 2022 06: 13
                +9
                Quote: smart fellow
                The United States can enrich uranium itself

                They can, but we're talking about "Adda sanctions", right?
                And if it’s true, then it’s worth considering what will happen if the Russian Federation cuts off the supply of titanium (any, even sponge), aluminum, uranium fuel for nuclear power plants and something else to the United States. And he will also throw out the Central Bank from the Russian Federation (as a foreign regulator of the domestic financial market). It will refuse dollar transactions and American settlement systems ... Throw out British and American banks, nationalize the assets of companies in those states that have imposed sanctions against the Russian Federation.
                Sanctions against sanctions.
                Selling more oil and gas to China and India, and less to Europe, will keep energy prices high. And SANCTIONS on gas supplies to all countries initiating sanctions against the Russian Federation.
                Quote: smart fellow
                it is more profitable to buy uranium from Rosatom

                Of course, it is more profitable - our enrichment technologies are much cheaper and less energy-intensive. The US does not have such technologies.
                So the Russian Federation will impose sanctions on uranium for nuclear power plant reactors, it will have to be purchased many times more expensive. These are sanctions. Punishment .
                And of course, the US aviation industry (and the European Union?) stopped for several years, this will be very serious.
                And aluminum - remember how prices soared and car factories in the USA stopped without Russian aluminum? Then the Americans seized the assets of Rusal ... nationalization.
                And another question - the United States is conducting subversive activities in the Russian Federation and in the post-Soviet space ... and if an organizing force "for traditional values", "for the brotherhood of whites" and " for the reunification of the torn Mexican territories with Mexico", for "give the Negroes one state and let them rob each other there" ...
                The CSTO may grow in the near future with Cuba , Venezuela , Nicaragua , Iran , Syria , Iraq ... Ukraine , Moldova , Lithuania , Latvia , and Estonia may return to their native harbor . Poland can be divided, Russian territories (Warsaw General Government) will go to Russia, German lands donated by Stalin can be returned to Germany, taking into account its withdrawal from NATO. bully Lots of things can happen.
                and Trump can again become the president of the United States.
                1. this
                  this 18 January 2022 05: 35
                  -2
                  The Central Bank is part of the state, where do you take the nonsense about dependence on the United States.
                  1. bayard
                    bayard 18 January 2022 10: 34
                    -1
                    Quote: tohoto
                    take take.

                    Quote: tohoto
                    The Central Bank is part of the state

                    Not .
                    The Central Bank is a joint stock company. 49,5% is owned by the US Federal Reserve, 49,5% is owned by the Bank of England and 1% by its first director, Gerashchenko.
                    And look carefully at the Law on the Central Bank. The state has no right to interfere in its work at all. This is a supranational structure - an external regulator of the financial system of the Russian Federation.
                    The State, if it is sovereign, must have a Treasury and a State Bank.
                    Are there such structures in Russia?
                    That's the same.
                    In financial terms, the Russian Federation is simply a "rebellious colony". And the rebellious is not very and not in the main.
                    1. this
                      this 18 January 2022 17: 34
                      -3
                      Hahal is Russia here, the states do not control the country, you were mistaken. The law on the Central Bank pokes me, although he did not even open it.
                      1. bayard
                        bayard 18 January 2022 19: 14
                        -1
                        Central Bank, this is not "states", this is Fin-Intern.
                      2. this
                        this 18 January 2022 23: 54
                        -1
                        Do not read Soviet newspapers for breakfast.
                    2. Sanichsan
                      Sanichsan 20 January 2022 12: 50
                      -1
                      Quote: bayard
                      The State, if it is sovereign, must have a Treasury and a State Bank.
                      Are there such structures in Russia?
                      That's the same.

                      Treasury Department
                      https://roskazna.gov.ru/
                      And what are the details of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation?
                      Name: Central Bank of the Russian Federation
                      where is AO?
                      question of sovereignty closed?
                      then the same. bully
                      something you are there in Ukraine or Canada or where you are sitting there, completely cut off from reality laughing
              3. Stepan S
                Stepan S 17 January 2022 17: 37
                0
                The United States can enrich uranium itself,

                They can do it, but will it be enough, this uranium, and even on their vassals, from the same Ukraine.
                1. smart fellow
                  smart fellow 17 January 2022 21: 01
                  +4
                  Rosatom receives uranium ore from Kazakhstan, Australia, Canada, USA, South Africa, Uzbekistan, etc. These states are either US allies or hold assets in the west. The uranium currently mined in Russia is not enough for the needs of its own nuclear power plants. So Russia will have problems with raw materials, and the US will have problems with enrichment. All this is solvable, but both parties will bear the additional costs.
                  Rosatom can start developing new deposits in Russia and buy uranium from countries not controlled by the United States. This is Iran, North Korea. China and India 50/50.
                  If you are interested, there is enough information on the Internet.
                  1. this
                    this 18 January 2022 23: 47
                    0
                    Will someone ban Rosatom from buying ore in Kazakhstan?
                    1. smart fellow
                      smart fellow 19 January 2022 14: 05
                      0
                      It is produced by a Canadian company. At one time, Nazarbayev bucked against the United States and Kazakhstan's foreign assets were frozen in banks. Nazarbayev had to back down.
                      1. this
                        this 19 January 2022 15: 01
                        0
                        Canadian? I know that one Canadian uranium mining company belongs to ROSATOM, isn't this one?
                      2. smart fellow
                        smart fellow 19 January 2022 17: 17
                        0
                        The most accurate and up-to-date information can be obtained from Rosatom or this company. I suspect they won't answer me.
                  2. KCA
                    KCA 19 January 2022 08: 48
                    +1
                    Do you think that U235 is consumed by nuclear power plants like gasoline by supercars? Gas to failure and huh? The full load of the TVEL reactor is calculated in kilograms of fissile material, and one load is enough for 5 years, in Russia U235, Pu235 have been overdone, MOX assemblies are already in operation, RBNs are working, they are burning waste, BN-1200 will be built, in general, all competitors will be cranked, and more " Brest" is, so we have exactly everything with fuel
                    1. smart fellow
                      smart fellow 19 January 2022 14: 12
                      0
                      It became interesting to myself.
                      In a high-power reactor, about a ton of uranium burns out per year
                      https://postnauka.ru/longreads/155662
                      The total consumption of uranium for nuclear power plants around the world is about 70 thousand tons per year. At the same time, no more than 25-30 thousand tons of uranium ore are mined around the world every year,
                      https://hi-tech.mail.ru/review/konec_yadernogo_oruzhiya/#a01
                      235Pu
                      Half-life 25,3(5) min
                      https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%98%D0%B7%D0%BE%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BF%D1%8B_%D0%BF%D0%BB%D1%83%D1%82%D0%BE%D0%BD%D0%B8%D1%8F
                2. Vlad5307
                  Vlad5307 18 January 2022 08: 44
                  0
                  But for this it is necessary to invest heavily in enrichment enterprises, and the return will not be soon, so the SGA will have to slowly switch to a very "green" energy technology, i.e. to heat the boiler houses with their cut paper! laughing
              4. mikael
                mikael 17 January 2022 22: 22
                0
                enrichment of weapons-grade and fuel uranium are slightly different processes and it will not be possible to quickly rebuild the technology
            2. ALARI
              ALARI 17 January 2022 10: 22
              +3
              They give us sanctions, and we give them uranium and titanium for candy wrappers. Someone seems to have delusions and a split personality.
            3. Victor Tsenin
              Victor Tsenin 22 January 2022 21: 05
              0
              You know, I wanted to write, there is an opinion that the new war will be the last for everyone. Wouldn't want to.
      2. Serg Kam
        Serg Kam 16 January 2022 07: 51
        +36
        what will they say on the Boeing, because small things, like landing gear made of titanium


        The main titanium-producing countries: Australia, Canada, South Africa, Norway, Russian Federation.

        Boeing, of course, will not be delighted, and will lose a lot of money, but it has the opportunity to order titanium elsewhere.

        If they impose a ban on the supply of processors, we have no alternatives. The same Chinese with MediaTek release them under an ARM license and will not officially supply them to Russia (except perhaps by smuggling at overprice)
        1. KCA
          KCA 16 January 2022 08: 53
          +6
          In addition, in order to extract titanium ore, it still needs to be processed, to smelt titanium itself, that is, ingots, but from these ingots it will be necessary to make parts of a very complex profile, this is a very intricate business and literally several enterprises can make it, mainly in Russia, and then counter-sanctions ...
          If the license for ARM has already been purchased, how can I revoke it?? Well, they might come up with something, but the courts will drag on for years. Yes, I also forgot, ARM sells licenses with permission to modify the kernel, and what about modified versions? More years of ships, such as the licensee losing his profits resulting from his own improvements
        2. Cat Kuzya
          Cat Kuzya 16 January 2022 13: 09
          +1
          This is something else. The entire internet is American. All domains in Latin are theirs. Russia will only have its own cheburnet in Cyrillic, for domestic consumption without any access to other sites around the world
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 16 January 2022 13: 45
            +11
            The entire internet is American. All domains in Latin are theirs. Russia will only have its own cheburnet in Cyrillic, for domestic consumption

            For me, going to sites is not the worst thing.
            For example, now there is a lot of equipment operating on full automation.
            If you turn off the same CAT, Siemens, Komatsu generators, many people will be left without electricity at all.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 16 January 2022 15: 09
              +25
              Quote: SergKam
              If you turn off the same CAT, Siemens, Komatsu generators, many people will be left without electricity at all.

              Electricity is also not the worst. The dependence on potato and sugar beet seeds is about 90%. Broiler hatching eggs - 70%. crying
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 16 January 2022 16: 35
                +21
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Quote: SergKam
                If you turn off the same CAT, Siemens, Komatsu generators, many people will be left without electricity at all.

                Electricity is also not the worst. Dependence on potato seeds and sugar beets about 90%[/b]. Broiler hatching eggs - 70%. crying
                I wonder if it was for this reason that our homegrown liberota last year at the legislative level promoted a ban on the sale of seed potatoes from private farmsteads, under the threat of fines? Given this dependence, this fits well with the policy of the liberals, aimed at depriving Russia of the possibility of restoring food independence from foreign suppliers. what Along the way, it is necessary to stupidly take under the white hands of those who pushed this bill and put them on the bunk. Let them develop the national economy in Kolyma.
                1. Snail N9
                  Snail N9 17 January 2022 00: 12
                  +11
                  Liberota, then, promoted? And our president suddenly stood up, and shouted at the top of his voice: "I will not allow to undermine the country's food security! I will not allow citizens to sow their seeds! Down with Monsanto and her brethren!" No? Didn't he scream? Ah, it turns out that such a law was calmly adopted? Wow, it’s as if the State Department, Soros and the liberals have worked here ... yes
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 17 January 2022 00: 44
                    -2
                    Quote: Snail N9
                    Liberota, then, promoted? And our president suddenly stood up, and shouted at the top of his voice: "I will not allow to undermine the country's food security! I will not allow citizens to sow their seeds! Down with Monsanto and her brethren!" No? Didn't he scream? Ah, it turns out that such a law was calmly adopted? Wow, it’s as if the State Department, Soros and the liberals have worked here ... yes

                    stop No, well, you gave out here on the mountain about everything and everyone from GDP to Soros with the State Department and Monsanta, but you didn’t say the most important thing - Duc who, in the end, pushed the idea of ​​private potato seeds into the ban? It will not be possible to blame komunyakov, because they are not in power. And then you said "A", but where is "B"? Your thought is not finished. No.
                    PS- well, the word "liberota" offends you personally, or so, it rebounds a little. Well then, especially for you, proudly and tenderly - LIBERALLS smile
                  2. Disant
                    Disant 17 January 2022 02: 25
                    +4
                    It turns out that such a law was calmly adopted?

                    where to look ?
                  3. aglet
                    aglet 17 January 2022 17: 07
                    +4
                    "Liberota, then, promoted? And our president suddenly stood up, and how he screamed at the top of his voice"
                    and fist on the table
                2. ALARI
                  ALARI 17 January 2022 10: 29
                  +3
                  How to put them in prison, they won the elections last year and again have the majority? Some kind of voluntarism.
                  1. aglet
                    aglet 17 January 2022 17: 08
                    +2
                    "Some kind of voluntarism."
                    on this site please do not express yourself
                  2. Baron pardus
                    Baron pardus 19 January 2022 19: 14
                    +3
                    <ON Georgian accent, puffing on fragrant pipe tobacco> "Uh... dear.. It matters who votes, who counts those votes, and it matters who PAYS who counts those votes" <OFF Georgian accent>
              2. KCA
                KCA 16 January 2022 16: 50
                -2
                The President, Senate, and Congress would rather resign than stop Monsanto from selling seeds wherever they want.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 16 January 2022 18: 20
                  -2
                  Quote: KCA
                  The President, Senate, and Congress would rather resign than stop Monsanto from selling seeds wherever they want.

                  The fact of the matter is that US sanctions are always based on US interests. And this is the right approach. With us, having received tinsel at one gate, they go with a bow to the other. But then they say at home, "I came, I demanded." laughing
                  1. KCA
                    KCA 16 January 2022 18: 35
                    +5
                    There are no US interests, there are the interests of corporations, but they are becoming more and more globalized, Monsanta is just a global corporation and it turned the interests of the United States across the axis, is it the United States dancing under corporations, who will become president, without infusions from the oligarchs? Well, in part, Trump, he himself is one of these, and he has money, and the rest are plush toys from "Good night, kids"
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 16 January 2022 19: 05
                      -2
                      Quote: KCA
                      Monsanta is just a global corporation

                      They are just one of the beneficiaries of US CJSC.
                      1. KCA
                        KCA 16 January 2022 19: 09
                        -1
                        Or one of the board of directors?
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 January 2022 19: 30
                        -1
                        Quote: KCA
                        Or one of the board of directors?

                        You could say that.
                      3. tralflot1832
                        tralflot1832 16 January 2022 21: 15
                        0
                        The US corporations spit those whom they elected. It would be long since sanctions from hell were launched by all sorts of Baracks, Trumps and Cans. And they are pinching Europe. in the company name: Military rank!?
                    2. Suraikin.Aleksandr
                      Suraikin.Aleksandr 16 January 2022 19: 16
                      +4
                      Read about Standard Oil, which until 1911 was a monopolist in the United States and was forcibly divided by the US authorities, and the Rockefellers turned from a clan of oligarchs into a family of rich top managers. In the US, jokes with the state end badly!
                      1. KCA
                        KCA 16 January 2022 19: 18
                        +4
                        111 years have passed, nothing in the world order has changed, right?
                        111 лет назад ниггера в неположенном месте просто убили-бы, а полицейские прошли-бы мимо, а сейчас копы целуют ниггерам ботинки, в экономике и политике тоже немножко всё не так
                      2. Suraikin.Aleksandr
                        Suraikin.Aleksandr 16 January 2022 19: 39
                        +5
                        I gave you a real, fairly well-known example of how even the richest and most influential obey the state in the United States, and it will be bad for someone who tries to disobey. And you are trying to give out logic in the spirit of Ren TV about national big capital, which can dictate its terms to the US authorities. American companies, even if they have become large international corporations, will still remain American companies in all countries of the world that are subordinate to US authorities. From a recent one, look at what a whitened, frightened face Zuckerberg (the head of Facebook) was sitting in front of the US Senate commission.
                      3. KCA
                        KCA 16 January 2022 19: 51
                        -3
                        Does the power of the US state dominate all corporations? Personally, in the midst of the Cold War, in 1986, I was just starting to humpback, for the first time I played the Xonix toy, guess what? On the computer terminal PDP 11/70 of the DEC company, I did not leave the USSR, where did it come from? The Jackson-Vanik amendment tightly blocked the supply of such equipment to the USSR. Yes, there were no bookmarks there, there was no Internet yet, the communication unit with the satellite would have been larger than the wall of the computer itself
                      4. Suraikin.Aleksandr
                        Suraikin.Aleksandr 16 January 2022 22: 47
                        +4
                        The USSR had supply channels bypassing the sanctions, the most famous channel through Mexico, through which the Thomson submachine gun was also purchased for the NKVD. Another question is that the existing channels for the supply of modern electronics, bypassing the sanctions for the USSR throughout the country, were not enough. In the case of the declared sanctions, I have no doubt that the FSB, the FSO, the army, the presidential administration will buy everything they need from any manufacturer. The most extreme will be ordinary residents who will have to pay extra for the shortage that has appeared and the supply of electronics through gray channels
                        Does the power of the US state dominate all corporations?

                        I think that over all serious technology corporations, yes, the Americans have such a miraculous button, access to the largest consumer market in the United States, and for the sake of access there, large Asian and European corporations tolerate the protectionist foolishness of American officials. And the head of the telegram, Pavel Durov, and the top managers of the Highway, in which case they go to explain themselves to the US Senate, they have already gone.
                      5. BMP-2
                        BMP-2 17 January 2022 00: 35
                        +3
                        Bees versus honey? In fact, in the United States, the state primarily protects the interests of large corporations, and Zuckerberg, although he is in the top 5 digital giants, is not the first violin: the situation is still controlled by those who allowed him to rise like that, and this - not at all official representatives of the US Senate. repeat
                      6. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 16 January 2022 19: 33
                        +5
                        Quote: Suraikin.Aleksandr
                        and the Rockefellers have turned from a clan of oligarchs into a family of rich top managers. In the US, jokes with the state end badly!

                        It's just that the Rothschilds were at the helm at that time! laughing The state is always a circle of certain individuals with their own interests. And they use the state apparatus to eliminate competitors. But I think the US clans have a gentlemen's agreement.
                      7. BMP-2
                        BMP-2 17 January 2022 00: 38
                        +2
                        Yes, the Rockefellers, in general, weren’t joking: now they’ve raked the WHO out and will return everything that is theirs a hundredfold. laughing And at the same time, they don’t even have to be top managers: it’s enough just to control investment flows through their fund.
              3. this
                this 18 January 2022 05: 38
                -1
                Where did you get these percentages, can you share the data? And then, as it were, in Russia in recent years, far from one enterprise for seeds and incubator eggs has opened.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 18 January 2022 06: 22
                  0
                  See on the Internet the report of the deputy. Minister of Agriculture in the Federation Council. Matvienko almost stamped her feet there. And in general, there will be many links for the query "seed dependency".
                  Sugar beet is 98%, sunflower 70% is imported.
                  1. this
                    this 18 January 2022 06: 24
                    -3
                    Hmm, as far as I remember, not so long ago.
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 18 January 2022 07: 40
                      -1
                      Quote: tohoto
                      Hmm, as far as I remember, not so long ago.
                      With all due respect, your memory is not the best argument in rebuttal. hi
                      1. this
                        this 18 January 2022 16: 59
                        -1
                        https://sdelanounas.ru/sphinxsearch/?s=Инкубационное+яйцо
                        This is by no means all.
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 18 January 2022 19: 44
                        -1
                        You don't need to link to this site. I repeatedly convicted him of lying at VO. If you want to refer, then to official data, or data from independent sources.
                      3. this
                        this 18 January 2022 23: 53
                        -1
                        This topvar can only be convicted of lies, made by us rarely makes mistakes and certainly not by open enterprises, it was created precisely to account for them.
                      4. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 19 January 2022 09: 07
                        +3
                        You are an interesting person - you are talking about the report of the Deputy Minister of the Russian Federation - but for you it is nothing - the main site is "done with us", and the minister does not know anything .. was he supposed to write a report from the site "done with us"? where is the logic?
                      5. this
                        this 19 January 2022 13: 02
                        0
                        2 years have passed already.
                      6. 2 Level Advisor
                        2 Level Advisor 19 January 2022 20: 16
                        +4
                        keep it fresh, since you don’t read anything other than the site “made by us” ... Rossiyskaya Gazeta (official press organ of the Government of the Russian Federation) .. news at the end of November ..
                        "The countries of the Eurasian Economic Union (EAEU, includes Russia, Kazakhstan, Belarus, Kyrgyzstan and Armenia) have critical dependency from the import of seeds and planting material of such agricultural crops as corn, sunflower, sugar beet, vegetables and fruit and berry crops. They account for about 80% of all seed imports, the total volume of which exceeded $1 billion last year."
                2. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 18 January 2022 07: 31
                  0
                  For breeding material in poultry farming, read the link. The truth is there for 2019, but the numbers are generally good, 98%.
                  https://rbc-ru.turbopages.org/rbc.ru/s/business/01/08/2019/5d4165579a79477f334eabdb
          2. KCA
            KCA 16 January 2022 15: 24
            +1
            I also found the time when the Internet was already there, but there was no WWW yet, but there were FTP and E-mail, the addresses had to be written in numbers, it's okay
          3. bayard
            bayard 17 January 2022 10: 35
            +1
            Quote: Kuzya the Cat
            This is something else. The entire internet is American. All domains in Latin are theirs. Russia will only have its own cheburnet in Cyrillic, for domestic consumption without any access to other sites around the world

            And for this opportunity to rummage through their sites, are you ready to sell your homeland? smile
            China has made its own Internet, so it's time for us to have both hardware and software of our own and Runet. And build the country, and not "fit" into a foreign market.
          4. anykin
            anykin 17 January 2022 23: 11
            +3
            Quote: Kuzya the Cat
            All Internet American

            More work for Losharik.
          5. ZAV69
            ZAV69 17 January 2022 23: 30
            0
            Quote: Kuzya the Cat
            Russia will only have its own cheburnet in Cyrillic, for domestic consumption without any access to other sites around the world

            Yes, it would be sooner, otherwise they don’t understand how the dns service works and they undertake to write about cheburnet. I want to see how they cry with burning tears without Google with YouTube
        3. isv000
          isv000 16 January 2022 13: 26
          -2
          Quote: SergKam
          If they impose a ban on the supply of processors, we have no alternatives. The same Chinese with MediaTek release them under an ARM license and will not officially supply them to Russia (except perhaps by smuggling at overprice)

          And here our brother Yn can extend a hand of friendship across the bridge of the same name, acting as an intermediary between China and Russia ...
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 16 January 2022 13: 37
            +1
            here our brother Yn can extend the hand of friendship across the bridge of the same name, acting as an intermediary between China and Russia

            And why does China need an intermediary in this case?
            By smuggling at overprice, he can also deliver directly.
            And legally through Korea in any case will not work. Why then the extra link?
            1. isv000
              isv000 16 January 2022 13: 44
              -4
              Quote: SergKam
              And legally through Korea in any case will not work. Why then the extra link?

              Direct deliveries to the DPRK, period. Further - even though the grass does not grow, what will Eun do with all the good ...
              1. Serg Kam
                Serg Kam 16 January 2022 13: 50
                +3
                Direct deliveries to the DPRK, period.

                But nothing that direct deliveries to the DPRK are prohibited?
                1. isv000
                  isv000 16 January 2022 13: 54
                  -13
                  Quote: SergKam
                  But nothing that direct deliveries to the DPRK are prohibited?

                  Well, in this case, Mongolia can replace the Koreans - I think the US decision is purple, etc ...
                  1. Serg Kam
                    Serg Kam 16 January 2022 14: 07
                    +4
                    replace Mongolia - them, I think, purple is the decision of the USA

                    Mongolia? Which sent its troops along with the Americans to both Iraq and Afghanistan?
                    Well, well

                    Once again - China will come up with a scheme to send electronics to Russia.
                    But it will be VERY expensive. Illegal supplies they are
        4. mat-vey
          mat-vey 16 January 2022 14: 10
          +7
          Quote: SergKam
          If they impose a ban on the supply of processors, we have no alternatives. The same Chinese with MediaTek release them under an ARM license and will not officially supply them to Russia (except perhaps by smuggling at overprice)

          And what, the end of the plans for "digital slavery" and universal QRization?
        5. lucul
          lucul 16 January 2022 15: 30
          +1
          If they impose a ban on the supply of processors, we have no alternatives.

          And good . Finally, ours will start to move. Yes, at first it will be difficult, but in 5-10 years, it will be possible to restore our microelectronics and machine tool building - the main thing is that the state really wants this.
          This is the first step to break out of the "stall" of the Zionists. If we can, then other countries, following our example, will be able to break out of the Zionist stall, and we will help them. And this is the first step towards real independence.
          So yes, I crave a ban.
          1. zlinn
            zlinn 16 January 2022 17: 42
            0
            the main thing is that the state really wants this

            The state does not deal with this, the Russian private trader should really want this, but what prevented him from wanting this before? what will make him want now?
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 16 January 2022 18: 54
              +8
              Quote: zlinn
              the main thing is that the state really wants this

              The state does not deal with this, the Russian private trader should really want this, but what prevented him from wanting this before? what will make him want now?
              However, the state can greatly contribute to the private trader if it creates favorable conditions in the same taxation, or subsidizing this activity, which is important for the state. Well, if the state will tear exorbitant taxes, fees, excise taxes from a private trader and drive him into licensing rules that he cannot fulfill a priori, then no one will do this, more will cost himself more. At one time, a certain DAM said that Russia should meet the needs of the world economy in hydrocarbons, and everything else it could buy with the proceeds, thus, this torso, quite deliberately and purposefully, went to kill in Russia is the remnants of what could compete and, God forbid, show a product in demand all over the world. Only the sanctions of mattresses contributed to the fact that all this "serenely enriching" layer suddenly realized that in the clearing where they and their households feed, another (completely alien) manager may appear who will greatly cut their diet and redistribute kilocalories in favor of the English-speaking relatives. This is where the self-preservation reflex came into action through import substitution and waving a vigorous club, hinting at the fact that the redistribution of kiosks protection is not subject to revision. How this will affect the people in real terms, I do not predict, but I just hope that it will not get worse or that the people will not lose what they have. They threaten to index something there, but we'll see how it will be. As a retiree, I didn't feel the joy of the promised expansion of opportunities to visit the Canary Islands or the Maldives. Here to the toothpick to dial babosov.
          2. Fiesta
            Fiesta 16 January 2022 18: 09
            +7
            And good . Finally, ours will start to move. Yes, at first it will be difficult, but in 5-10 years, it will be possible to restore our microelectronics and machine tool building - the main thing is that the state really wants this.

            Well, 5-10 years for a completely independent modern semiconductor industry, you turned it down. Rather, tens of years, hundreds of billions of dollars (including for education) with the involvement of experienced foreign specialists for the first time. Well, we take into account that the world will not stand still either.
            1. lucul
              lucul 16 January 2022 21: 26
              -12
              Well, 5-10 years for a completely independent modern semiconductor industry, you turned it down. More like tens of years, hundreds of billions of dollars

              The Americans also thought so when they deprived Russia of marine engines for the navy (Ukrainian). It took only 7 years to start producing its Russian line of marine engines.
              The same goes for electronics.
              1. Fiesta
                Fiesta 16 January 2022 23: 16
                +8
                The Americans also thought so when they deprived Russia of marine engines for the navy (Ukrainian). It took only 7 years to start producing its Russian line of marine engines.
                The same goes for electronics.

                Completely different things, plus there are suspicions that we had the material and engineering base for this. In the case of the semiconductor industry, you will actually have to start from scratch, and if you localize everything directly (total sanctions according to the scenario of this article), then you need:

                1. Produce silicon wafers with a material purity of 99.999(9)% (up to 11 nines after the decimal point)
                2. To produce chemicals for primary cleaning of such plates from inhomogeneities (organic and inorganic compounds) without damaging it, as well as equipment for secondary (after applying a metal layer) cleaning of plates by a physical method.
                3. Set up the production of photoresists.
                4. Lithographic machines - for more or less delicate technical processes, at least DUV steppers are required, and for the latest ones already EUV. If anything, even the necessary light source for EUV machines is produced by only 2 companies in the world - Cymer (USA) and Gigaphoton (Japan), Chinese RSLaser is added with DUV. We don't even have an analogue of the rather ancient "dry" stepper ASML PAS 5500, which is on the lines in our "Mikron".
                5. More chemicals, only now for manifestation.
                6. Equipment for etching - ideally plasma (dry).
                7. Equipment for ion implantation.
                8. Equipment and software for process control.
                9. Software for APEU.
                10. Multi-billion dollar R&D for the development of thin technical processes, so far the limit of our industry is 65 nm.
                11. Catch up with the current serious backlog in IC design.

                For the production of such equipment, it is also necessary to restore high-precision engineering (again, we look at the case of total sanctions). And, of course, to solve the issue of training and their practice - at the moment there is a severe shortage even in the field of IC design, the same MCST has to actually train them from scratch, because the level of education in microelectronics is terrible. And in terms of production, it’s even sadder, recently NM-Tech had to “write out” specialists from the Taiwanese UMC with salaries of tens of thousands of dollars (because otherwise they simply won’t go) in order to launch the Angstrem-T line on the existing equipment - this, for a moment, a fab designed for "ancient" 90-130 nm technical processes.

                The icing on the cake is to figure out how to recoup all these costs of hundreds of billions of dollars, because even billions will be spent on maintaining such an infrastructure, and the Russian and even the CIS market will not be enough at all, especially under sanctions. It seems more adequate not to try to localize everything, but to cooperate with China, which has many points, because they have been "playing" with the same steppers since the late 90s and go iteratively.
                1. lucul
                  lucul 17 January 2022 00: 29
                  -14
                  Multi-billion dollar R&D for the development of thin technical processes, so far the limit of our industry is 65 nm.

                  You contradict yourself, then supposedly you need to start everything from scratch, then it turns out there is already a limit of 65 nm))))
                  Everything has been calculated for a long time, otherwise ours would not have given an ultimatum. When blocked, everything will be transferred to Elbrus processors (in terms of speed - approximately the level of Core2Duo). It's high time to put an end to the Western antediluvian x86 processor architecture, it has already hit the ceiling of possibilities, they themselves would be happy to change it, but the accumulated inertia of devices and software (since 1975) does not allow them to switch so easily.
                  And this moment (blocking) will be the best way to start developing your microelectronics, when such a chance can still be given)))).
                  1. smart fellow
                    smart fellow 17 January 2022 01: 01
                    +4
                    This is equipment (65 nm) from the American company AMD.
                  2. Fiesta
                    Fiesta 17 January 2022 01: 35
                    +1
                    You contradict yourself, then supposedly you need to start everything from scratch, then it turns out there is already a limit of 65 nm))))

                    I said actually from scratch, because these 65 nm: a) are of limited series; b) the equipment there is bought from the Global Foundries fabs (formerly owned by AMD), that is, it will not work to do "also" on the new fabs in case of sanctions.

                    Everything has been calculated for a long time, otherwise ours would not have given an ultimatum. When blocked, everything will be transferred to Elbrus processors (in terms of speed - approximately the level of Core2Duo).

                    Another multi-move?) Elbrus-4C was ready for mass production only in 2020 (https://ria.ru/20140420/1004724150.html), those few tests that are more likely to say that the performance for domestic needs is at the level of a single-core AMD Athlon 64 (https://habr.com/ru/post/389573/) plus the cost is not clear there, in 2015 the price was ~ $ 4000, that is, it is unaffordable for an ordinary resident. Newer Elbrus (not serial yet) are produced by TSMC, since the Russian Federation does not have the necessary technical processes. In 2017, Mikron even had difficulties with the development of 65 nm, which is why the release of Elbrus-4C was postponed. Add to this also the fact that its microarchitecture is VLIW, that is, a translator is used for compatibility with most of the available software, further reducing the real efficiency.

                    It's high time to put an end to the Western antediluvian x86 processor architecture, it has already hit the ceiling of possibilities, they themselves would be happy to change it, but the accumulated inertia of devices and software (since 1975) does not allow them to switch so easily.

                    Not really, x86 is an instruction set, not an architecture. The processor architecture (or microarchitecture, as you like) is CISC, although almost all modern processors under the hood are actually RISC architectures. Explain - what is the "antediluvian" and how is VLIW performed by Elbrus better?
                    1. lucul
                      lucul 17 January 2022 08: 57
                      -8
                      Not really, x86 is an instruction set, not an architecture. The processor architecture (or microarchitecture, as you like) is CISC, although almost all modern processors under the hood are actually RISC architectures.

                      It's available here:
                      https://habr.com/ru/company/droider/blog/519732/

                      )))
                      1. Fiesta
                        Fiesta 17 January 2022 13: 04
                        +5
                        ARM is also the instruction set and processor topology, and the underlying microarchitecture is RISC. The article is not very competent, which, by the way, was also noticed in the comments under it, but you apparently decided not to read them) as well as the fact that the microarchitecture of modern processors is actually RISC. Well, about VLIW you never answered.
                  3. aglet
                    aglet 17 January 2022 10: 43
                    -1
                    "When blocked, everything will be transferred to Elbrus processors"
                    and where they are made, if not a secret?
        6. this
          this 18 January 2022 23: 56
          0
          Will everyone so happily agree to support the United States with such sanctions?
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 19 January 2022 00: 41
            0
            Will everyone so happily agree to support the United States with such sanctions?

            The US imposes sanctions on a simple scheme: whoever violates our decrees is not allowed to trade in our market.
            The same China has 5 times more trade with the United States than with us. Which side do you think China will choose?
            1. this
              this 19 January 2022 00: 41
              -1
              He has already chosen, you woke up.
            2. Whatman
              Whatman 22 January 2022 12: 31
              -1
              583 versus 84. This is more than 5 times
        7. Victor Tsenin
          Victor Tsenin 22 January 2022 21: 08
          -1
          There is always an alternative, the PRC recently concluded a strategic agreement with VIA and already has an agreement with AMD, a practical Asian will share what he needs, if necessary.
      3. Asad
        Asad 16 January 2022 09: 25
        +15
        And what will they say at the plant where this titanium ,, small things ,, is produced?
        1. isv000
          isv000 16 January 2022 13: 45
          -5
          Quote: ASAD
          And what will they say at the plant where this titanium ,, small things ,, is produced?

          At the factory they will say: how much to prepare for tomorrow?
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 January 2022 15: 20
          -10
          The state will purchase titanium alloys for its own needs and in the storage facilities of the Federal Reserve. The main thing is that the price of titanium alloys will fall.
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      5. Zug
        Zug 16 January 2022 16: 19
        -2
        Scream, the USA and Canada simply will not sell us sowing crops and we will eat steamed turnips. Bread will be for the elite
      6. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 19 January 2022 07: 55
        0
        Quote: KCA
        Here's what they will say on the Boeing, because small things, like landing gear made of titanium, but you can't build an airplane

        Do you seriously think that they can’t make racks themselves? Will they do it in China or somewhere else. It’s not a problem to build a plant
    2. Far B
      Far B 16 January 2022 06: 22
      +37
      But, wangyu, our "generous souls" as they drove oil with gas and other titans / tungsten to America, they will continue to drive. Well, this is just a business, nothing personal (in fact, it’s just very personal - your own kofill is much closer to the body)
      1. KCA
        KCA 16 January 2022 08: 03
        +12
        Those. honest American companies will stop all commercial sales to Russian companies, and ours, such bastards, will drive resources with might and main?
        1. aglet
          aglet 16 January 2022 09: 39
          +19
          "And ours, such bastards, will they drive resources with might and main?"
          Exactly, that's exactly what will happen. yes what will be, there is already
        2. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 10: 11
          +12
          Quote: KCA
          Those. honest American companies will stop all commercial sales to Russian companies, and ours, such bastards, will drive resources with might and main?

          Do you doubt it? Look at the trade turnover between the Russian Federation and Ukraine, does the Russian Federation not trade with fascist Ukraine at all?
          1. V means B
            V means B 16 January 2022 10: 37
            -4
            Of course, "no" and Belarus is being "pulled up", which supplies them with fuel, and how can you not see this?)
          2. KCA
            KCA 16 January 2022 19: 12
            0
            Are there any official restrictions on trade with Ukraine? Salom, for example, they now import it
      2. Third district
        Third district 16 January 2022 12: 14
        +6
        Quote: Dalny V
        Well, this is just a business, nothing personal (in fact, it’s just very personal - your own kofill is much closer to the body)

        As the hero of one film said: "The capitalist, the eye of the capitalist will not be pecked out."
        1. mat-vey
          mat-vey 16 January 2022 14: 14
          +2
          Quote: Third District
          "Capitalist, the capitalist will not peck out the eye."

          But he can always "order" a competitor, and even if the business is crushed .... nothing will stop, including the war ...
      3. ont65
        ont65 16 January 2022 22: 16
        +1
        It's not the 90s in the yard. A new cold war begins in the conditions of the formation of new geopolitical realities. A total embargo on supplies to the West and their reorientation to the East will make its economy even less competitive. In fact, this process has been going on for several years. The Russian Federation has long been sponsoring China with resources, if anyone paid attention.
    3. U-58
      U-58 16 January 2022 08: 56
      +1
      Well, how does it feel? He will feel that Rostselmash needs to be launched, and Sibselmash too.
      1. Doccor18
        Doccor18 16 January 2022 09: 21
        +34
        Quote: U-58
        Well, how does it feel? He will feel that Rostselmash needs to be launched, and Sibselmash too.

        Rostselmash is already working "by the sweat of its brow", producing good combines for the domestic market, but what is the percentage of foreign components in these products ... Motors, for example, of American design.
        And Sibselmash is too late to "launch" ...
        1. Third district
          Third district 16 January 2022 12: 23
          +11
          Quote: Doccor18
          , but what is the percentage of foreign components in these products ... Motors, for example, of American design.

          Bridges are also on American combines.
      2. Third district
        Third district 16 January 2022 12: 20
        +9
        Quote: U-58
        Rostselmash needs to be launched, and so does Sibselmash.

        Rostselmash works, but Sibselmash, in my opinion, covered itself with a copper basin. If anyone is from Novosibirsk, tell us how things are.
        1. Nazar
          Nazar 16 January 2022 16: 43
          +3
          The third district - Rostselmash - "screwdriver". everything is imported, supplies will be cut off and they won’t even be able to make a rake there.
          1. Third district
            Third district 16 January 2022 18: 05
            +3
            Quote: Nazar
            Rostselmash - "screwdriver". everything is imported, supplies will be cut off and they won’t even be able to make a rake there.

            And now there is a "screwdriver" all around, either partially or completely. Starting from hand power tools and ending with modern Zhiguli and Kamaz trucks. By the way, recently there was news that there were production failures at AvtoVAZ due to a lack of imported sensors.
          2. Pilat2009
            Pilat2009 19 January 2022 07: 59
            -2
            Quote: Nazar
            The third district - Rostselmash - "screwdriver". everything is imported, supplies will be cut off and they won’t even be able to make a rake there.

            No need for la la. For example, we make control systems
            1. Nazar
              Nazar 19 January 2022 16: 24
              0
              Pilat2009 - "Control systems" than ? American engine? Or theirs is a checkpoint? Whose production bridges are on these tractors? "Control systems" - a plastic knob manufactured in the Russian Federation is screwed onto the handle, nothing more.
              1. Pilat2009
                Pilat2009 22 January 2022 09: 54
                0
                Quote: Nazar
                Pilat2009 - "Control systems" than ? American engine? Or theirs is a checkpoint? Whose production bridges are on these tractors? "Control systems" - a plastic knob manufactured in the Russian Federation is screwed onto the handle, nothing more.

                Have you heard of unmanned harvesters? Traffic control systems, air conditioning, diagnostics. There will be no American components, there will be Chinese or our own.
                1. Nazar
                  Nazar 24 January 2022 21: 55
                  +1
                  Pilat2009 - Have you seen enough TV? To tell you how many "unmanned harvesters" are currently working on the farms of the Russian Federation - NOT ONE!
                  And that "screwdriver" that is there will be able to work exactly as long as the component manufacturers allow it, at any time they can cut off supplies and what will you begin to fasten your "control systems" to? To your own toilet? And you will not have an "unmanned harvester". and "combineless pilot".
      3. sleeve
        sleeve 16 January 2022 13: 34
        +6
        It's too late to launch Sibselmash. He is absent((
    4. Stas157
      Stas157 16 January 2022 10: 07
      +17
      "dishwashers for Russians - not the most sacred". This phrase of the press secretary of the President Dmitry Peskov has recently become truly winged.

      I never had one, but like Peskov, the servant washes.
      And it’s not for Peskov to talk about the sacred. He doesn't have it in his heart at all.
    5. Cananecat
      Cananecat 16 January 2022 11: 20
      +1
      Quote: Third District
      Now what will those who shouted everywhere say: "The whole world works in cooperation

      So keep me seven ... think about why sanctions were not adopted for SP2, or for example SWIFT, where the foreign banking sector will not allow this. With Windows, it's easier, the vast majority of users sit on hacked versions without paying money for a license.
      You can threaten with anything, but you need to have balls of steel to turn the threats into reality, but with this, the Stars and Stripes just have troubles.
      1. Cat Kuzya
        Cat Kuzya 16 January 2022 14: 27
        +5
        Mostly private users sit on hacked versions, and even then, far from all, but those who work legally, in business and are especially tied to international cooperation, have to sit on licensed products, because when documenting, the Windows license number and other working software. 'By the way, almost all software for medical equipment is American.
    6. Timon2155
      Timon2155 16 January 2022 12: 28
      +4
      Why sell minerals for dollars? So that later on these dollars to buy something. And if we are denied access to goods from abroad, what to do with these dollars? Accumulate "to be"? That's it! To exchange minerals for pieces of paper without the prospect of spending them, why? The very meaning of the market is lost. And another question is who will suffer the most from this. Where will the Western world find other raw material suppliers? But without gas, for example, the European economy will collapse very quickly - the bill will go for weeks. And so it is with everything. And who is worse off for it? Everyone.
      1. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 19 January 2022 08: 03
        -1
        Quote: Timon2155
        Why sell minerals for dollars? So that later on these dollars to buy something. And if we are denied access to goods from abroad, what to do with these dollars? Accumulate "to be"? That's it! To exchange minerals for pieces of paper without the prospect of spending them, why? The very meaning of the market is lost. And another question is who will suffer the most from this. Where will the Western world find other raw material suppliers? But without gas, for example, the European economy will collapse very quickly - the bill will go for weeks. And so it is with everything. And who is worse off for it? Everyone.

        Do you offer barter? Exchange gas for palm oil, and then oil for turbines? Only nobody will sell you turbines for oil, like medical equipment
        1. Timon2155
          Timon2155 19 January 2022 11: 31
          +1
          Do you even get the point of the posts? I'm talking about Thomas, you're talking about Yerema. My thought is very clear: why do we need dollars if no one will sell us anything for them? They are needed for a single purpose - just to buy something abroad. There is no way to buy, dollars automatically turn into unnecessary paper for us! And why then sell resources for their sake? No need.
      2. Whatman
        Whatman 22 January 2022 12: 34
        -1
        Raw materials are absolutely everywhere. There Africa is big and there are a lot of things.
    7. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 January 2022 13: 11
      -8
      Quote: Third District
      It is unpleasant in this situation to realize Russia's vulnerability to such threats. As trite as it sounds now, in the Soviet Union resistance to total sanctions was much higher.

      Now what will those who shouted everywhere say: "The whole world works in cooperation and no one, himself, completely produces anything." How will it feel, first of all, the aircraft industry, agriculture, which is now full of imported equipment, including American.

      And now what? Because of some lousy smartphone, our country has to endure this viper all its life? In the long term, American business itself will suffer huge losses that will outweigh the cost of all of Ukraine, along with the Baltics. And do they need it? Eurolohi have already calculated that the sanctions dances against Russia because of Ukraine cost them 290 billion euros. Perhaps they were redundant. Yeah.
    8. Anachoret
      Anachoret 16 January 2022 14: 04
      +2
      Nothing so "catastrophic" will happen)
      1) well, Tesla will be turned off)) as many as ... 1000 owners in Russia will suffer, and Tesla's capitalization will sag significantly in the world market and the level of trust in the brand will fall globally))
      2) with Winda it’s more difficult, but you need to follow the path of France now, where Winda and ms office are prohibited in the workflow of state structures and work with state registers)) and, again, global trust in Windows will fall globally))
      3) android, a rather crooked system, especially when it comes to home devices, but it’s not critical with it either))
      4) It is high time to designate Apple and their products as tracking devices, again recall the evidence of wired tracking systems and collect information about the owner) and introduce mandatory licensing for each imported product sample) again, Apple will lose confidence globally and decrease in capitalization) and considering that the company is now at its peak plateau and has not been releasing fundamentally new products to the market for many years), it is already losing its image of innovators and becoming more like that very “big brother” in the fight against which Steve Jobs saw his main the goal of market resistance) all these factors will push the company and its products from the current “squeezed position” on Olympus in terms of capitalization and bring them closer to “extinction”)
      5) about the raised prices for Koreans and Chinese) they will not grow significantly and premium models are not much inferior to Applem)
      6) the same story with airplanes) and Boeing is already losing competition to airbus) and there will be a plug, or airbus joins and creates a temporary collapse, followed by the release of the Russian market for the ms-21 and the Chinese)) or, more likely)) the French will tell the mattresses to go well ...)) especially, in the light of the mattress prokidons of the French defense industry over the past decade for tens of billions of dollars)) and this will strengthen the contradictions and the predisposition to collapse within the European Union and NATO))
      The conclusion is simple) the blow will be tangible and surmountable for Russia for six months or a year)) and America will not even shoot, but will cut off part of its limbs not only in the economy, but also in intelligence) which will further aggravate its internal crisis)
      But we also need to draw conclusions now in this direction on import substitution))
    9. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 January 2022 15: 15
      -8
      How it has continued to work and will continue to work, and sanctions from the US and the EU are now well purchased through offshore offices - there will be demand and supply.
      "How will it feel, first of all, the aircraft industry, agriculture, which is now full of imported equipment, including American ones." Most of it is already localized and of its own production, and from whom and what they buy is already a matter for each individual customer.
    10. Shelest2000
      Shelest2000 17 January 2022 19: 57
      0
      The author forgot to mention one more fad of sanctions, the most terrible thing for the Kremlin is the confiscation or freezing of personal accounts of our state officials and persons close to the body in foreign banks. And there are, I'm sure, tens and hundreds of billions of them. Plus property - villas, vineyards, houses and apartments, from Italy to Manhattan.
      Incl. you can not worry when there is a threat to the personal property of an official - there will be no war under any circumstances. Even if 404 bombs Voronezh, they will find an excuse, as was the case with the shelling of our territory from 404 and the death of our citizens.
    11. Alex013
      Alex013 20 January 2022 10: 10
      0
      I agree. And not only machinery, but seeds, planting material, chemistry, etc.
  2. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 16 January 2022 05: 27
    +4
    Ha, smartphones.
    Everything will turn off.
    Because everything is now controlled by computers,
    with American programs.
    Communications, banks, railway, satellites, aviation, municipal water supply, energy supply ....
    They don’t even need missiles to fight with us, with one button they will turn off our light, water, gas and TV at the same time.
    In Die Hard there is an episode about "collapse", so it's kindergarten, compared to what actually happens.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 16 January 2022 05: 37
      +5
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      They don’t even need missiles to fight with us, with one button they will turn off our light, water, gas and TV at the same time.

      so after all, cash flows will be interrupted ... why do they need this?))))
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 16 January 2022 05: 52
        +20
        Quote: Aerodrome
        why do they need it?

        So far there is no need.
        And if things come to the point, as some wave their sabers here, they are eager to sink their aircraft carrier, then bomb the base ....
        But for now, yes, billions of dollars are being withdrawn from Russia, and this is much more profitable for them than war.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 January 2022 15: 28
          -9
          Billions in dollar terms are withdrawn from Russia and poured in at the same time - this is called investment and capital turnover in all countries of the world, and most of this money does not go to the United States, since Russia trades and invests with dozens of countries around the world.
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 16 January 2022 06: 16
      +2
      American programs are written by programmers from all over the world... Russians, Indians, Chinese, Koreans, etc.
      Why is the US intelligence agencies hunting our programmers?
      It is because of their qualifications and experience to hack and create any program ... you should not believe so much in the omnipotence of the United States. smile
      1. aglet
        aglet 16 January 2022 08: 28
        +22
        "It is precisely because of their qualifications and experience to hack and create any program ... you should not believe so much in the omnipotence of the United States"
        something their qualifications and experience cannot create a national foundation. maximum opportunities - some kind of rehash from Linux, at the level of the 3rd grade of high school. and for some reason, free Linux, in a patriotic performance, became paid. I don’t want to talk about processors, tears are choking - thirty-year-old primitives, piece work. it's time to extract the scores, and the iron "felixes"
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 16 January 2022 09: 08
          +21
          piece execution


          If sanctions are imposed, then the execution will also be closed. For no one will sign up to produce a product. TSMC and UMC will fail, Samsung will fail, and Intel is failing now. The Chinese like SMIC are questionable - because they, too, can threaten with a finger and take away all Western contracts, for example, for chips for cars and that they will choose 1000050000 chips for all sorts of BMWs / Fords or 50 conditional Baikal big question with a clear answer.
          1. aglet
            aglet 16 January 2022 09: 22
            +7
            "If sanctions are introduced, the execution will also be closed"
            absolutely agree with you
          2. paul3390
            paul3390 16 January 2022 09: 45
            +1
            Questionable Chinese like SMIC

            The Chinese cannot but understand that they are the next in line. No options. This means that we urgently need to join forces and do something about the dominance of the West in this area.
            1. isv000
              isv000 16 January 2022 13: 51
              -2
              Quote: paul3390
              The Chinese cannot but understand that they are the next in line. No options. This means that we urgently need to join forces and do something about the dominance of the West in this area.

              Absolutely right: more than two-thirds of the world's population is already ready to cooperate with the Russian Federation and China. It remains to strengthen and strengthen the new Union ...
          3. Fiesta
            Fiesta 16 January 2022 18: 23
            +2
            Here you are right, it's hard to argue. Unfortunately, on "our" fabs, the most advanced technical process is a small-scale 65 nm process, which makes it impossible to produce the same latest Elbrus or even any kind of productive CPU. The equipment, of course, is almost all imported, even for such "ancient" technical processes.
        2. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 09: 39
          +13
          Quote: aglet
          something their qualifications and experience cannot create a national foundation. maximum opportunities - some kind of rehash from Linux, at the level of the 3rd grade of high school. and for some reason, free Linux, in a patriotic performance, became paid.

          Yes, there are a lot of talented Russian programmers working on open source programs, Russians work in the same Canonical. And to create paid software from open source programs - this is what government-affiliated hands-on are doing, good programmers are not needed there, other skills are more in demand there.))))
          Quote: aglet
          I don’t want to talk about processors, tears are choking - thirty-year-old primitives, piece work. it's time to extract the scores, and the iron "felixes"

          But to look back, in 1986, Iskra 1030 was produced at Kursk Accountmash (I collected it in practice, since 1984, in my opinion), they were just starting to produce PC / AT at Amers. We were one generation behind and there was a chance to catch up.
          PS I smiled that, according to the author of the article, Americans can turn off open source programs.))) Ay Author, learn the materiel!
        3. AB
          AB 16 January 2022 10: 26
          +11
          something their qualifications and experience cannot create a national core. maximum opportunities - some kind of rehash from Linux, at the level of the 3rd grade of high school

          Our state is badly looking for talents and pays them even worse. Normal programmers will not work for pennies.
        4. V means B
          V means B 16 January 2022 10: 41
          +6
          And here you are right, at work they threaten to provide such "import substitution", though I have no idea how to work on it.))
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 19 January 2022 08: 11
        0
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        American programs are written by programmers from all over the world... Russians, Indians, Chinese, Koreans, etc.
        Why is the US intelligence agencies hunting our programmers?
        It is because of their qualifications and experience to hack and create any program ... you should not believe so much in the omnipotence of the United States. smile

        That's right. But a person who lives and works in the United States is already, as it were, their citizen. It’s not without reason that when they receive English citizenship, they take an oath of allegiance to the queen. I think that they do in the USA. will.
    3. Doccor18
      Doccor18 16 January 2022 06: 34
      +30
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Communications, banks, railway, satellites, aviation, municipal water supply, energy supply ....
      They don’t even need missiles to fight with us, with one button they will turn off our light, water, gas and TV at the same time.

      This is one side of the coin...
      Another, perhaps more important and painful, is the dependence on seed material and agricultural chemicals, medicines, medical instruments and equipment, household chemicals, a huge amount of imported equipment for domestic industrial enterprises. Let there be a large proportion of Asian countries, but, say, R. Korea and Japan, if it happens, will not go into confrontation with the "hegemon" and will also stop deliveries. This could hit the Russian economy very hard.
      Of course, all of the above can be reproduced by ourselves, but this takes time, a lot of time, but it is not there ...
      1. Egoza
        Egoza 16 January 2022 07: 42
        -14
        Quote: Doccor18
        Of course, all of the above can be reproduced by ourselves, but this takes time, a lot of time, but it is not there ...

        Despite this, you can not fold your hands. A lot of the Soviet heritage has not yet been used and it is faster to renew it than to reinvent it. Americans judge by themselves - "Ah! No smartphones! Ah! No dishwashers!" Russians are not afraid of this. Let's get out. But the US can become very "unsweetened". In addition, they always say "in the event of an attack on Ukraine" Do they themselves believe this? The excuse is awesome! And in Ukraine, very violent people are calmed down, and therefore they are pumped up with weapons, and if there is no invasion, then "we did not promise." Interestingly, the recognition of the LDNR (for example) will be considered an "invasion"
        1. Doccor18
          Doccor18 16 January 2022 08: 56
          +22
          Quote: Egoza
          much of the Soviet heritage has not yet been used and it is faster to renew it than to reinvent it.

          I agree with you, but the world has gone too far over the past forty years, so far from all Soviet developments, even the most advanced at that time, are now relevant. And new ones require a scientific approach, advanced education and advanced industry.



          Quote: Egoza
          here the USA can become very "unsweetened".

          If a serious economic battle begins, then everyone will have a hard time. The whole question will be just how much ...
          1. Whatman
            Whatman 22 January 2022 12: 40
            0
            The Russian Federation has a share in world GDP of about 1.6%, the so-called West has 60%. Most likely they may not notice the economic consequences
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 22 January 2022 13: 20
              0
              You have overestimated the percentage of the collective west, a maximum of 50%. In the top ten countries in GDP PPP data, six are not "West". Even if we include the Japanese in that camp (as a reliable partner), the other five are still at least 33% of world GDP. Yes, the West still controls world trade, but its importance is falling year by year...
              As for Russia, its role is really small. However, there are a number of industries that are important, where it is difficult to replace Russia. It is possible, if desired, but troublesome and expensive ...
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 16 January 2022 09: 43
          +18
          Russians are not afraid of this. Let's get out

          We are familiar people, but the youth - I think they will receive the most severe cognitive dissonance .. They can no longer imagine themselves without this.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 16 January 2022 10: 01
            +1
            Quote: paul3390
            We are familiar people, but the youth - I think they will receive the most severe cognitive dissonance .. They can no longer imagine themselves without this.

            But what a survival skill they will get! And, finally, they will understand why the "ancestors" have such a negative attitude towards the West.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 16 January 2022 10: 10
              +11
              Rather, they will climb into the Maidan .. Alas, over the past 30 years, the liberals have done a lot of work with the brains of the younger generation ..
              1. Doccor18
                Doccor18 16 January 2022 10: 34
                +12
                Quote: paul3390
                ... liberals have done a lot of work with the brains of the younger generation ..

                There is a queue at McDonald's day and night ... How are they without him, if that ..?
                1. Egoza
                  Egoza 16 January 2022 11: 11
                  +1
                  Quote: Doccor18
                  There is a queue at McDonald's day and night ... How are they without him, if that ..?

                  Open Pancakes, Bakeries, Bistros and more. There will be queues if it's fresh, fast and tasty
                  1. Doccor18
                    Doccor18 16 January 2022 11: 43
                    +4
                    We also have pie shops and bistros, but I didn’t see queues there. They bend slowly, one after another. But all sorts of CFS "bloom and smell" ...
                    1. Egoza
                      Egoza 16 January 2022 11: 54
                      -3
                      Quote: Doccor18
                      We also have pie shops and bistros, but I didn’t see queues there. They bend slowly, one after another. But all sorts of CFS "bloom and smell" ...

                      There will be no competitor (maxdonald) - they will flourish. As for me, our patties are much better than their burgers.
                      1. Doccor18
                        Doccor18 16 January 2022 12: 52
                        +2
                        Quote: Egoza
                        ...our patties are much better than their burgers

                        Of course it's better.
                        But the problem is not competition. No one forbids now to go to a pie shop or a cozy bakery nearby, but young people with burning eyes fly for expensive imported chemicals ...
                    2. ycuce234-san
                      ycuce234-san 16 January 2022 20: 00
                      +4
                      Maki and KFS are franchises (local business in camouflage).
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                      2. Snail N9
                        Snail N9 17 January 2022 00: 32
                        +3
                        Um, all these McDonald's have preferences from our government - they forgot how quite recently, McDonald's sued the Moscow government, which wanted to cancel the "Yeltsin" rent of ... 1 (one!) Dollar. Secondly, these companies are actually supported by the American government (as an instrument of expansion and legal presence), for their expansion to other countries, and Russian eateries themselves must get out under pressure from their own authorities. And thirdly, they produce their product from "their" incomprehensible components made from, for example, in the so-called "cutlet from the meat of young bulls" they found the DNA of buffalo meat, broilers and other additives and products prohibited or undesirable for consumption - all this is purchased somewhere then in mass quantities, for pennies and local types of fast food, they simply cannot even compete closely in this regard - their products come out corny more expensive ... Well, brand promotion plays a role.
                      3. ycuce234-san
                        ycuce234-san 17 January 2022 10: 46
                        +2
                        Local business goes under a reliable American roof. She does not allow him to be squeezed and pressed by everyone.
                        Buffalo has been officially supplied since 2014. Bisonin, most likely, too, since it is taken into account in world trade along with beef, and there are supplies from the USA - we all consume it a little, like the heroes of Fenimore Cooper.
                2. 210ox
                  210ox 16 January 2022 11: 58
                  +3
                  Will they line up in libraries? A! There is also no voice assistant.
                3. Sergej1972
                  Sergej1972 16 January 2022 13: 28
                  +1
                  There are a lot of middle-aged people, and even the elderly come.
        3. V means B
          V means B 16 January 2022 10: 45
          +3
          What are you, a comrade of the USSR - these are galoshes and blue chickens. What are you on about?)
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 January 2022 15: 37
            -13
            The USSR is galoshes - buckets of bolts and obsolete rubbish, with rare exceptions in the civilian sector.
            1. KCA
              KCA 16 January 2022 17: 08
              +5
              Refrigerator ZIL 45 years old from assembly, never repaired, in good condition, drove a year ago for 500 rubles
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 17 January 2022 18: 36
                -2
                And then the ZiLovsky refrigerators could be compared with foreign ones - the fact that it works for a long time is good, but the fact that it is morally and physically outdated is a fact and in terms of design.
        4. prior
          prior 16 January 2022 11: 14
          +5

          Men don't cry today
          They are afraid that the ink will be smeared. what
        5. Cosm22
          Cosm22 16 January 2022 12: 01
          +13
          Quote: Egoza
          Russians are not afraid of this. Let's get out.

          You don't scare the Russians at all.
          We are not accustomed to wiping ourselves with burdock, to heat the bath in a black way and to slurp cabbage soup with bast shoes. Grandfathers-great-grandfathers lived, perhaps, and we will live.
          The whole question is how?
          Dishwashers are just a generic name.
          For the sake of interest, walk around your apartment. Look at what household appliances are in the kitchen, in the living room, in the bedroom. Is it Russian? And, as usual, having no analogues in the world?
          What is the production of all your household appliances?
          Who makes hobs, hoods, ovens, freezers, refrigerators (travel, not screwdriver assembly junk), TVs, boilers, irons, hair dryers, computers, tablets, smartphones, laptops, routers, washing machines, split systems? In the end, mixers, blenders, kettles, juicers, food processors and other small things? Go to the garage, and if you do not have a Lada, take a closer look at the emblem of your car.
          Which of the above does Russia produce in full cycle? Hell no.
          Of course, uncles with big stars on shoulder straps will live on this resource without all of the above.
          And the youth? She will make such sacrifices for the sake of it is not clear what? Very doubtful...
          Will China help? And what, without China already in any way? And if this magic wand is covered? Will we "import substitute" everything? In an emergency, in the shortest possible time? And when, then, to deal with "Daggers" and "Zircons"? And other hypersound?
          Why, even China can be pinched in the economy if desired. And then the domino effect will manifest itself in all its glory.
          1. PSih2097
            PSih2097 16 January 2022 12: 31
            -1
            Quote: Cosm22
            Go to the garage, and if you do not have a Lada, take a closer look at the emblem of your car.

            what is there to see...
            [Center]
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 12: 50
              +3
              The Volga has not been produced for 10-15 years.
              1. PSih2097
                PSih2097 16 January 2022 13: 02
                +4
                and that in the fact that they haven’t been released for 13 years, I have it in perfect condition and I’m completely satisfied and I’m not going to change it to something else, the only BUT are gasoline and spare parts.
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 13: 25
                  +5
                  So we are talking about the fact that at the moment there is little that is being released. Recently bought a doorbell "Signal" - China. Light bulbs "Start" - China. Batteries "Meteor" - China. Radio receiver - China. So I have a forty-year-old Ocean in perfect condition, only our radio stations operating on bourgeois FM do not catch a damn thing. Guess three times what he catches. I have no words. By the way, the Chinese smartphone Xavey, or whatever it is, for some time now I can’t connect to the Chinese Acer laptop. Does not read. I don’t know, the machinations of the imperialists, who imposed sanctions against this Xaveus, or something else. And he does not catch the Internet.
                  1. Vintorez
                    Vintorez 16 January 2022 17: 41
                    +1
                    The light bulbs are our Uniel with a 5 year warranty.
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 18: 11
                      -1
                      Quote from Vintorez
                      Light bulbs are our Uniel

                      Screwdriver from Chinese spare parts.
                      1. Vintorez
                        Vintorez 16 January 2022 18: 19
                        0
                        SvetaLED, all your own including LEDs.
                      2. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 18: 22
                        -1
                        Quote from Vintorez
                        SvetaLED

                        Bankrupt.
                      3. Vintorez
                        Vintorez 16 January 2022 18: 23
                        +1
                        The product is still being produced.
                      4. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 18: 37
                        -1
                        Everything is so good that even there are no vacancies? Who needs light bulbs for a thousand rubles each?
                        "Price:

                        LED lamp SvetaLed
                        Power - 11 watts
                        Color rendering index - 97
                        Base - E27
                        Hue - white (4000K)
                        Hue - warm (2800K)

                        980 rub. / a piece"
                      5. Vintorez
                        Vintorez 16 January 2022 19: 03
                        +2
                        Manufacturer: SvetaLED

                        wholesale price: call

                        retail price: 599.00 rubles / piece
                        Specifications:
                        Base E27, bulb A60.
                        Color temperature 4000K.
                        Luminous flux 1000 lm.
                        Power consumption - 11 W.
                        Degree of protection - IP 40.
                        Dimensions: 61x108 mm
                        10 year warranty.
                      6. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 19: 22
                        -2
                        Radish horseradish is not much cheaper. I have 24 light bulbs on chandeliers at home, I personally am not going to spend 14 thousand on them, when you can buy a steward apiece. Probably from the warehouses they can’t sell in any way.
                      7. aglet
                        aglet 17 January 2022 11: 05
                        -2
                        "I suppose they can't sell out of the warehouses."
                        at such prices, they will sell before the new elections
                      8. Whatman
                        Whatman 22 January 2022 12: 44
                        -2
                        We have replaced imports!
            2. Cosm22
              Cosm22 16 January 2022 13: 06
              0
              You can be congratulated. Some connoisseurs will hunt for such rarities after half a century or a century.
              The only problem is that the production of the "real" Volga was discontinued at the end of 2008.
              GAZ desperately tried to flounder with his Volga Siber, but ... as they say, it's a matter of time.
              The owners of all GAZ-3103/3104/3110/3111/31105 and other modifications of success in finding spare parts. Of course, imported analogues.
              1. aglet
                aglet 17 January 2022 11: 08
                -1
                "GAZ was desperately trying to flounder with his Volga Siber,"
                Volga Siber is just a one-piece Chrysler off the assembly line in Mexico. from the Volga there is only an emblem
            3. aglet
              aglet 17 January 2022 11: 02
              -1
              "What's there to see..."
              Does she have a Chrysler engine? and the brains are a motorola?
          2. zloybond
            zloybond 16 January 2022 12: 43
            +10
            The fact of the matter is that everything that concerns everyday life for the population is all killed, in order to bring it from behind the hillock and resell it. Basically we have an assembly. We proudly watch movies and cartoons about rockets, and then we go to the store for imported equipment, clothes, and textiles. Even the agricultural sector is killed in a small way. Everything is dictated by large agricultural holdings. Before you arrive in the village - each street drives out its herd. And now there is 1 cow per village. It was forbidden to keep pigs, cattle. Hurray for patriotic programs about Ukraine on all channels from morning to night. And about the outback in Russia, no one is interested in spinning round the clock like this.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 16 January 2022 15: 50
              0
              The fact of the matter is that everything that concerns everyday life for the population is all killed, in order to bring it from behind the hillock and resell it. Basically we have an assembly. It was killed by the population itself, since it is they who prefer imported brands to ours - and their own simply does not pay off, and even if it pays off only purely for export.
              And now there is 1 cow per village. They forbade keeping pigs, cattle - No one forbade keeping anything, people keep it, but it is very hard work to take care of cattle.
              1. zloybond
                zloybond 16 January 2022 16: 23
                +3
                Under criminal responsibility, households sign a ban, with door-to-door rounds by commissions. So to speak, in order to ensure the safety of large meat processing plants. You are closer to the earth. It is not necessary to absorb cheers reports as mantras.
                And it is not the buyers who go bankrupt. Factories are being bankrupted and turned into animal pens for office plankton in order to turn the country from a producer into a consumer. It's nice to cut rent from offices in which half of the country shifts papers.
                1. your1970
                  your1970 16 January 2022 19: 32
                  0
                  Quote: zloybond
                  Under criminal responsibility, households sign a ban, with door-to-door rounds by commissions.

                  Article of the Criminal Code please say it!!!.
                  And yes - any commission can be sent. Even if they come with a district police officer.
                  He is obliged to let the rest, no.
                  If this is a government agency, then checks are exclusively in agreement with the REGIONAL prosecutor's office - and it DOES NOT coordinate field checks (the ONLY way to look into your barn)
                  Read 248-FZ - I recommend it to you as a state inspector ....
                  1. zloybond
                    zloybond 16 January 2022 20: 37
                    -6
                    I know that when I look into my farms, but at least explain to ordinary people - at least don’t explain. They are intimidated, disenfranchised and often uneducated. Because the barns in the villages are empty.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 16 January 2022 22: 13
                      +1
                      Quote: zloybond
                      They are intimidated, disenfranchised and often uneducated. Because the barns in the villages are empty.

                      The sheds are empty not from intimidation - figs, you just intimidate the peasant ....
                      The sheds are emptying because of the high cost of feed - for example, we already have 15 tons of grain, and from the limited pastures - that's where the problem is. We need a ton of grain for a piglet ...
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 January 2022 18: 41
                  0
                  Stop raving - it’s better to thoroughly understand the legislation.
              2. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 21: 31
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                Killed by the population itself, as it is they who prefer imported brands to ours

                Even 30 years ago, there were no imports in our apartment, except for tape cassettes, everything was Soviet, from lighting switches to a computer, from photo wallpapers to a pink toilet bowl.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 17 January 2022 18: 44
                  -2
                  This is because you were poor and had no connections - and who had money and connections, the whole hut was filled with imports. After 91, the process was simplified due to the open market - now everyone has imports and this import is produced in Russia because their products could not stand the competition.
            2. Suhow
              Suhow 16 January 2022 20: 06
              +3
              If you are consoled, then in Ukraine there are also programs about how bad it is in the Russian Federation.
          3. Maikcg
            Maikcg 16 January 2022 13: 37
            +4
            Who is doing

            China, Turkey, Egypt
            Americans themselves do not have American dishwashers laughing
          4. bar
            bar 16 January 2022 14: 45
            +2
            Quote: Cosm22
            For the sake of interest, walk around your apartment. Look at what household appliances are in the kitchen, in the living room, in the bedroom. Is it Russian? And, as usual, having no analogues in the world?
            What is the production of all your household appliances?

            So the Chinese...
          5. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 January 2022 15: 42
            -7
            Refrigerators - more than 2019 of them were exported from Russia in 700000. "What of all of the above does Russia produce in full cycle? Oh, damn it." Like shit, not a single country in the world produces this from purely its own components - everything is produced in cooperation between dozens and hundreds of companies located in several countries.
            1. Cosm22
              Cosm22 16 January 2022 16: 16
              +3
              Quote: Vadim237
              Like shit, not a single country in the world produces this from purely its own components - everything is produced in cooperation between dozens and hundreds of companies located in several countries.

              Did you not understand the main message of the article?
              The fact of the matter is that "cooperation between dozens and hundreds of firms located in several countries" for Russia will be covered with a copper basin in the event of the introduction of new sanctions, which, fortunately, are only being talked about so far.
              And Russia will have to act like Verunchik from "Station for Two" - "cute, by herself. Not in a restaurant - self-service."
              This is the point of the still hypothetical sanctions.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 17 January 2022 18: 47
                -1
                Yes, yes, all goods and components will be banned from being sold to Russia, and for a minute there are hundreds of thousands of them and they are located in dozens of countries around the world - are you laughing?
            2. aglet
              aglet 17 January 2022 11: 13
              0
              "everything is produced in cooperation between tens and hundreds of firms located in several countries."
              we don't have "several" countries. we, by and large, have two countries left, the Russian Federation and a little Belarus
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 17 January 2022 18: 48
                -1
                And at least 70 more countries with which Russia and Belarus trade.
                1. aglet
                  aglet 17 January 2022 21: 22
                  0
                  "And at least 70 more countries with which Russia and Belarus trade."
                  CNC machines, drilling rigs, and what else is subject to sanctions, not counting shrimp?
      2. bar
        bar 16 January 2022 08: 46
        +23
        more important and painful is dependence on seeds and agricultural chemicals,

        Here it is in the pump. All our achievements in agriculture, all the huge (compared to the times of the USSR) harvests, becoming leaders in the production of grain, all this is thanks to imported seeds. Thanks to all Monsants and others like them. We don't have ours and don't expect to. recourse
        1. donavi49
          donavi49 16 January 2022 09: 13
          +14
          And also imported calves, imported calves. The same Miratorg will go up in price and go down in quality if the funds update is closed. Their elite bulls/cows degrade for marble in three or four years.
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 16 January 2022 10: 03
            -1
            Quote: donavi49
            And also imported calves, imported calves.

            But about the calf-chickens to Lukashenko! He has long had elite herds of Dutch breeds
        2. Vikxnumx
          Vikxnumx 16 January 2022 10: 06
          +7
          becoming a leader in the production of grain, all this thanks to imported seeds.

          For wheat, barley - not very imported!
          And what about beets, vegetables, and especially chemistry ... It will be very sour here!
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 16 January 2022 11: 20
            -8
            Quote: VIK1711
            and especially chemistry ... It will be very sour here!

            Well, finally, there will be environmentally friendly products without any chemicals! )))
        3. Shahno
          Shahno 16 January 2022 13: 20
          0
          And why there are no seeds, what's the problem then?
          1. bar
            bar 16 January 2022 13: 50
            +3
            They do not grow because. Cheaper ready to buy. A commercial product for seeds is often not suitable, it does not give the desired offspring
            1. Shahno
              Shahno 16 January 2022 14: 06
              +4
              Indeed, an interesting topic. In general, in it "nerd". It is simply strange that with such research material they could not zabatsat the "source".
              1. bar
                bar 16 January 2022 14: 08
                +7
                The topic is very interesting. As for the seeds, now they are mostly hybrids that do not pass on their properties to offspring. This is precisely the point, agricultural producers simply sit down on the needle of foreign seed producers.
                Had little personal experience. Nearby we have a branch of the foreign seed company "solana", which produces seed potatoes. They "sew a little in the evenings" and grow some potatoes from their seeds for sale. I decided to make a life hack, and left part of this marketable potato for seeds, which I then planted in the country. The tops were juicy and thick, and the "potato" was the size of a pea.
                I'm not talking about GMO soybeans, which saved the whole world from starvation. If you are interested, read about the monster of "agrotechnologies" and chemosis by Monsanto with their ingenious "roundup".
          2. Whatman
            Whatman 22 January 2022 12: 58
            -2
            GENETICS! Why did Vavilov die of starvation in prison in 1942? With Lysenka for 25 years they were worn like, they tried to re-educate wheat into rye. During this time, science and technology have galloped ahead and there is no chance to catch up with them. And we were FIRST! They were the real pioneers of genetics.
        4. Cat Kuzya
          Cat Kuzya 16 January 2022 14: 41
          +1
          Absolutely true - all of our seed stock is imported and, moreover, genetically modernized. A food disaster will break out if sanctions are imposed on the sale of seeds, sunflower oil, fats and powdered milk. They don't seem to think about it at all. What about medicines? Also more than two-thirds are imported. And it is still unknown where all the gold reserves of Russia are located, vague doubts that they are in Russia are tormented. What will we buy, even from China? It seems to me that only on barter and on Chinese terms, as China does with North Korea.
          1. MrFox
            MrFox 16 January 2022 16: 12
            +3
            It's not even that it is imported, it was possible to grow, get seeds and plant them again. But nothing really will grow out of them, because they are hybrids.
            Only varieties are resistant, but where are they?
          2. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 January 2022 16: 13
            +2
            "Absolutely true - our entire seed fund is imported and, moreover, genetically modernized. A food disaster will break out if sanctions are imposed on the sale of seeds, sunflower oil, fats and powdered milk." - Hello fairy tale.
            Now reality
            According to the Ministry of Agriculture, when sowing spring grains and legumes, farmers use 72,1% of domestic seeds. But if for grain crops the provision with Russian seeds is 90%, for sugar beet we are almost 100% dependent on seeds of imported selection.

            And more - The share of imported products in the market of veterinary drugs experts estimate in general at the level of 60-65%. However, for example, in pig breeding, imports of pharmaceuticals account for only 20-30% of domestic consumption, Yury Kovalev, general director of the National Union of Pig Breeders, calculates. According to him, over the past 20 years, domestic companies have either been created in the country, or the production facilities of world leaders have been localized. The situation is worse with vaccines - about 70% of them are imported. We practically do not import live animals, and the parent stock is almost 100% domestically produced.
      3. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 January 2022 15: 35
        -1
        In Semenny material, Russia has the most significant dependence on sugar beet 80% - 100% dependence is not present for any crop. This could hit the Russian economy very hard. It won’t hit because part of all this is localized - but they will hit first of all on their own economy, since the sales market will be closed for their own, and this is a loss - they need it.
        1. aglet
          aglet 17 January 2022 11: 19
          -3
          "In Seed Material, Russia has the most significant dependence on sugar beet 80% - 100% dependence is not on any crop."
          and it will be much easier for you when you can sow not 100% beets, but only 20%? where will you buy the other 80% sugar?
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 January 2022 18: 50
            -1
            And who will forbid us to supply them?
            1. aglet
              aglet 17 January 2022 21: 19
              +1
              "And who will forbid us to supply them?"
              well, for example, the one who is now introducing all sorts of sanctions
    4. volodimer
      volodimer 16 January 2022 09: 39
      -11
      Communications, banks, railway, satellites, aviation, municipal water supply, energy supply ....
      They don’t even need missiles to fight with us, with one button they will turn off our light, water, gas and TV at the same time.

      Actually, this is called an "act of aggression" and this is rightly followed by an answer.
      That is, something that flies regardless of any outages at the given coordinates and hits the target.
      1. Vikxnumx
        Vikxnumx 16 January 2022 10: 08
        +17
        That is, something that flies regardless of any outages at the given coordinates and hits the target.

        Voronezh???
        1. volodimer
          volodimer 16 January 2022 10: 26
          -4
          Yeah, Tsar Peter also laid a shipyard there, built military ships. Azov was taken from the Turks after that. Little else is hidden there. laughing
        2. V means B
          V means B 16 January 2022 10: 48
          +6
          I think so.) And where else? in Paris, for example, the children of Peskov, etc.)
    5. krops777
      krops777 16 January 2022 09: 54
      +9
      with American programs.
      Communications, banks, railway, satellites, aviation, city water utility, power supply...


      Railway works 90 percent on domestic software, and in the most critical areas and for a long time, energy too, I work in this area, so I know what I'm talking about.
      1. ANB
        ANB 16 January 2022 17: 44
        +1
        . Railway works 90 percent on domestic software, and in the most critical areas and for a long time, energy too, I work in this area, so I know what I'm talking about.

        What OS and DBMS are used?
        1. your1970
          your1970 16 January 2022 22: 26
          0
          Quote: ANB
          . Railway works 90 percent on domestic software, and in the most critical areas and for a long time, energy too, I work in this area, so I know what I'm talking about.

          What OS and DBMS are used?

          If ETRAN Russian Railways is buried, then the connecting roads will NOT receive information and money.
          And this is not gas and not titanium - this is SMGS .... these are trillions of revolutions in the world ...
          The world's railway workers will pull out the goiter of EVERYONE - who will be considered guilty of the crisis
        2. krops777
          krops777 17 January 2022 05: 52
          +3
          What OS and DBMS are used?


          Of course, the OS is Windows, but it will not work to chop it off in closed workstations (such as ECC workstations), there is no connection with the external Internet and the internal intranet, and since the railway works with the internal intranet network with communication with the external one, cutting off the external critical nothing will happen, there will be time switch to another axis or send amers with their rights to hell.
          1. ANB
            ANB 17 January 2022 07: 36
            +1
            . OS of course Windows but cut it off in closed workstations

            So I'm not talking about cutting off, but about invasion. So yes, you can try to close from an external signal. If there is no bookmark on the motherboard or processor.
            But there will be no more updates. And changing the OS for the application program is not an easy thing. Although, if there are sources, then solvable.
          2. aglet
            aglet 17 January 2022 11: 23
            -1
            "but it will not be possible to cut it off in closed workstations (such as ECC workstations), there is no connection with the external Internet and the internal intranet"
            your employee bought by the enemy will come with a flash drive, and b-a-ak will launch the virus. and that's it - locomotives on a siding
    6. Maikcg
      Maikcg 16 January 2022 13: 33
      +2
      In the Pentagon, the general will print "format c" and everyone in Russia's monitors will explode.
      Well, what? It always happens in the cinema, under each keyboard there is a charge of plastid.
    7. Aleksandr21
      Aleksandr21 16 January 2022 15: 57
      +3
      Quote: Jacket in stock
      Ha, smartphones.
      Everything will turn off.
      Because everything is now controlled by computers,
      with American programs.
      Communications, banks, railway, satellites, aviation, municipal water supply, energy supply ....


      It will not turn off, important infrastructure facilities are based on Russian software, and there is no need to consider the Americans omnipotent in this matter :) everything will work "Communications, banks, railway, satellites, aviation, municipal water canal, energy supply" regardless of the actions of the United States, but in the consumer sector will indeed have problems if sanctions are imposed, but much will depend on the position of China ...

      View from the American side:

      The China factor

      In 2014, the United States did not need to carefully weigh China's possible response to sanctions against the Kremlin. This was largely due to the fact that these sanctions did not cause significant damage to China. Only a few Chinese-made goods were affected by export controls, and China did not have significant investments in Crimea. As a result, Beijing could condemn the imposition of these sanctions, but at the same time allow its companies to comply with them in the few cases where they had an impact on business.

      But if Washington imposes much tougher sanctions, China's response could be very different. After all, China is Russia's largest trading partner. It is unclear whether Chinese companies will stop working with a large Russian firm that the US has decided to include on the sanctions list. This would help bolster the financial strength of the United States - and prove the effectiveness of instruments that could be easily used against China in the future. Russia and China are already working together to create alternative payment mechanisms in case their banking systems are blocked as a result of US sanctions. If China chooses not to accept US sanctions, and Chinese companies do not comply with their terms, it will put Washington in a quandary. Chinese companies would violate US law, but taking risky escalation measures, such as fines on large Chinese firms, would be required to sue them. True, as an alternative, it would be possible to agree that China should not comply with the terms of the US sanctions, but this would sharply reduce the sphere of their economic impact.

      Beijing may refuse to comply with US sanctions, and Washington will be forced to retaliate

      The same dilemma arises if the Biden administration threatens to deprive Russia of the ability to buy semiconductors, smartphones, or airline parts. For example, smartphones are primarily manufactured in China, so any export controls on smartphone components will only be effective if China is willing to enforce its terms. Beijing could refuse to comply with the terms of US sanctions, and Washington will have to retaliate, which will open a second front in the financial war of the great powers.

      China has previously taken humiliating steps to avoid violating US sanctions. For example, Chinese state banks refused to open accounts for Hong Kong chief of staff Carrie Lam after the US imposed sanctions on her. True, US sanctions, which could change the Kremlin's calculations, could force Beijing to reconsider its position. If there is an opportunity to try to undermine American financial power, now is the right time.


      and if we recall other loopholes, it is almost impossible to enforce such sanctions (on restrictions on the supply of household appliances, computers, phones, etc.) + we should not forget about analogues: Windows - linux, Google - Yandex, Gmail - Mail. ru, Intel / AMD processors - can be replaced by Elbrus, if we are talking about the state. institutions... IPhone - Huawei, etc. but again, I repeat, it’s almost impossible to enforce a sanction of this level, Russia is not Iran or North Korea, the scale + level of Russia’s interaction with other world powers at a different level, well, if we don’t trade with the USA, the EU, then we will be with the EAEU, SCO, BRICS, ASEAN, etc. there is no disaster here.
      1. ANB
        ANB 17 January 2022 00: 14
        0
        Windows - Linux

        1. Linux is also an American OS. Although open source. But its gigabytes, no one read it when some assemblies were called Russian OS. Although, if they do, they will proofread and remove bookmarks and holes.
        2. They will beat on routers where the software is wired.
        3. Porting software from Windows to Linux is not such an easy task.
        4. DBMS, which are bolted to almost all complex control software, in general, we have nothing to replace. It is very difficult to transfer a complex system from Oracle to Postgres, which is as close as possible to it, plus it is not a fact that it will work normally at all. In any case, I do not know of examples of Postgres operation on 100 terabyte databases.
        The only thing you should not be afraid of at all is disconnections from SWIFT and card systems. Virtually no effect on our lives at all. There is Mir and NSPK. Inside the Russian Federation, everything will work. And you need to travel less abroad.
      2. aglet
        aglet 17 January 2022 11: 28
        -2
        "Well, we won't trade with the US, the EU, which means we will trade with the EAEU, SCO, BRICS, ASEAN, etc. there is no catastrophe here."
        Well, how much do you trade with them? especially with the eas? Brix, in fact, no longer exists, ASEAN is just a declarative statement? that will remain, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Armenia. yes, and mongolia, about mongolia
        1. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 17 January 2022 11: 40
          +1
          Quote: aglet
          Well, how much do you trade with them? especially with the eas? Brix, in fact, no longer exists, ASEAN is just a declarative statement? that will remain, Belarus, Kazakhstan and Armenia. yes, and mongolia, about mongolia


          We trade decently, especially with China (which is the main trading partner), the US and the EU can be replaced i.e. the main supplies to these countries are fuel and energy products, we will not sell there, which means we will supply India, Pakistan + Russia has quite good positions in food products, and the demand for them in China, India, Pakistan and ASEAN countries will only grow those. You always want to eat, especially where the population is actively growing, but in the CIS ... 13% of exports fall on these countries, which is not much, but not a little.

          So there is no real catastrophe, especially since anyway, the main center of consumption is shifting to Asia and we have every chance to occupy a good niche there (supply of energy resources, food, agriculture, etc.), but where will to take Europe energy resources and even at what prices, this is a good question ...
          1. aglet
            aglet 17 January 2022 11: 55
            -1
            "We trade decently, especially with China"
            we trade with China in one direction - we give them oil, gas, electricity, timber - one raw material, and they give us everything else, from a nail to a car and a computer. but I didn’t mean China, but those other than China, Armenia, for example
            1. Aleksandr21
              Aleksandr21 17 January 2022 12: 14
              +1
              Quote: aglet
              ... Armenia, for example


              There is also trade with Armenia, but a small one, for 2020 - $ 2,3 billion .... of course, Russia cannot rely solely on the EAEU, which is why I am talking about the totality of the organization, because the world, like the market, is not limited to the West alone, for example, Russia's trade turnover with the United States in 2021 is $28,8 billion, and with China $112,4 billion, is there a difference? Even if trade with the West as a whole stops, in any case we will have someone to trade with, because. BRICS will not give up trade with Russia + there is Asia that is growing and developing, there is the Middle East, South America and in a couple of decades Africa will rise, so there will be someone to trade with in any case, but as for trade in one raw material .... we trade many goods, just the main source of income is fuel and energy products, and of course it is necessary to diversify the economy and increase sales: food, agriculture, weapons, chemical products, etc. not to depend on one sale of resources.
              1. aglet
                aglet 17 January 2022 12: 25
                -1
                "There is also trade with Armenia, but not much, for 2020 - $2,3 billion..."
                Do we trade dollars with Armenia? What exactly do we buy and sell? Or what about China? we give them oil, gas, electricity, and they give us a fake dvin?
                1. Aleksandr21
                  Aleksandr21 17 January 2022 13: 58
                  +1
                  In the structure of Russia's exports to Armenia in 2020 (and in 2019), the main share of supplies fell on the following types of goods:

                  Mineral products (HS codes 25-27) - 32,50% of Russia's total exports to Armenia (2019% in 33,46);
                  Food products and agricultural raw materials (HS codes 01-24) - 17,78% of Russia's total exports to Armenia (2019% in 16,60);
                  Machinery, equipment and vehicles (HS codes 84-90) - 15,40% of Russia's total exports to Armenia (2019% in 18,25);
                  Metals and products from them (HS codes 72-83) - 9,79% of Russia's total exports to Armenia (2019% in 7,86);
                  Chemical industry products (HS codes 28-40) - 7,95% of Russia's total exports to Armenia (2019% in 6,90);
                  Timber and pulp and paper products (HS codes 44-49) - 2,41% of Russia's total exports to Armenia (2019% in 2,46);
                  Textiles and footwear (TN VED codes 50-67) - 1,88% of the total volume of Russian exports to Armenia (in 2019 - 1,59%).

                  If you are interested in more details, I can give a link to the table, by product category.
                  1. aglet
                    aglet 17 January 2022 17: 05
                    0
                    "If you are interested in more details, I can give a link to the table"
                    no thanks, that's enough
    8. Orkraider
      Orkraider 16 January 2022 16: 10
      +5
      city ​​water utility, power supply

      Welcome.
      No, they can't.
      In the energy sector, all feedback systems have changed protocols, you can’t turn them off from the outside. Recent experience in the oil industry helped to realize))
      Now even profibas on AUME is banned, only open protocols.
      Similarly, with water, it is even simpler there, everything is duplicated by “handles”, cable management.

      Therefore, we will not remain without light and water.
  3. Cottodraton
    Cottodraton 16 January 2022 05: 51
    +9
    Unlikely. Because if we conduct an audit of the economy, it may turn out that their share in our enterprises can be up to 30 percent or even more. The outflow of capital is proof of this.
    Therefore, you can simply nationalize everything by sending investors to the erotic on foot.
    Secondly, it is possible to declare all their patents on the territory of the Russian Federation invalid. And this is one of their pillars of pressure on our economy.
    Thirdly, it is possible to completely clean up the Gozmanov / Initial and other "messengers of Western values", also the Soros Foundations, etc. Thus, their influence on the population will come to naught.
    Most importantly, you can impose an embargo on the West on minerals. Everything that is possible.
    And here's another question, who will be worse - them or us.
    Given the semi-free resources they received from us, thanks to the semi-colonial nature of our economy, this could hit the Western economy very hard.
    Most likely, this will lead everything to the Third World War.
    1. bar
      bar 16 January 2022 08: 52
      +8
      "You can declare all their patents on the territory of the Russian Federation invalid. And this is one of their pillars of pressure on our economy."
      And where will we get the seeds of the same wheat? We don't do our own. And with those that remained from the USSR, the harvest will halve. And we have acreage left with gulkin's nose. Hello again bread on cards and goodbye meat. If it’s not a problem to live without iPhones, then it’s difficult to live without grub ...
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 16 January 2022 09: 53
        +10
        And with those that remained from the USSR, the harvest will halve

        Well, in recent years, we really collected a lot, in 2020 - 133,5 million tons. And let's say in 2010 - 61 million tons .. Do you remember the famine 10 years ago? So I don’t .. But the record harvest in the RSFSR - 127,4 million tons in 1978 ... Without any imported components - it doesn’t differ much from none. That is, we have only been able to reach Soviet indicators for the last 5 years! But then - we still fed a bunch of people. As now, we export a lot. The question of how much is needed for real domestic consumption is open, because there are a lot of unclear parameters ..
        1. bar
          bar 16 January 2022 10: 27
          +7
          Quote: paul3390
          That is, we have only been able to reach Soviet indicators for the last 5 years!

          Exactly. And it is thanks to imported seed material, imported technologies and imported chemosis. My father worked in agriculture all his life. So, in the days of the USSR in the Volga region, under favorable weather conditions, a wheat yield of 17 centners per hectare was considered super. And now it is everywhere 30+, and in the same Kuban 50+. Here is the reason for Russia to become a leader in grain exports. And if in the USSR this was somehow compensated by huge sown areas, now they are either abandoned or remained in the "fraternal republics". About our poultry farming, which filled up the shelves with chicken meat from foreign fertilized eggs, I already wrote above. So don't give a damn about American gadgets, but when there is nothing to eat, it will be a problem. And it should have been solved a long time ago, and not blamed on farmers, who quite naturally follow the path of minimum costs. They have no time and nothing to engage in selection, breeding new varieties of plants and animal breeds, it is faster and easier for them to buy it abroad. And our state has had huge problems with this since the days of Vavilov and Lysenko. Now the experimental fields of the Timiryazev Agricultural Academy have been sold to "developers" for development.

          But then - we still fed a bunch of people.

          This is where you are wrong. Back in the Brezhnev era, the USSR bought more grain than it sold. Fortunately, oil prices allowed. And when they fell, hello cards, hello queues and shortages, and goodbye to the USSR.
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 16 January 2022 10: 48
            +1
            Here you are mistaken.

            Yes? But back then, all of Central Asia and the Caucasus sat on our allowance! Well, on trifles, all sorts of Baltic states .. Do not forget also some socialist countries.

            And here there are two points - a lot of grain then went to feed livestock. And - mass purchases began mainly as a result of Khrushchev's activities .. This is a catastrophic failure from virgin lands, where colossal funds taken from the main producing regions were swollen, and the defeat of MTS, and wild experiments with state farms .. From that moment it started. Since around the same time they discovered big oil - they went along the line of non-current liberals - why straighten out your agriculture when you can buy grain for petrodollars? So we can say that all sorts of Chubais with Kudrins are the ideological heirs of Khrushchev ..
            1. bar
              bar 16 January 2022 11: 02
              +5
              Quote: paul3390
              Yes? But back then, all of Central Asia and the Caucasus sat on our allowance! Well, on trifles, all sorts of Baltic states .. Do not forget also some socialist countries.

              But in those days we had the whole of Kazakhstan with huge sown areas, and any piece of land was sown in Russia.
              Quote: paul3390
              a lot of grain then went to fattening livestock.

              Exactly, and it's on right now. We do not have America, where cows eat fresh grass all year round in the open air. And the same pigs and chickens cannot even be bred on grass.
              Quote: paul3390
              mass purchases began mainly as a result of Khrushchev's activities.

              You can write it off for anything, and Khrushchev did a lot of nasty things. And it wasn't all smooth sailing. But that's just before Khrushchev, our agriculture was in a deep anus. And mass purchases began when there was something to buy, when oil prices rose. And when it was dropped again, hello again deficit, queues and coupons. This was one of the main reasons for the collapse of the USSR. Food security is a serious thing, and it is a big mistake that the state does not deal with it, limiting itself to distributing loans and subsidies to farms. At the moment, of course, they did well, they did what they could, but for a long time we are still 90% dependent on imports, only not grain, but seed material, young livestock, etc.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 16 January 2022 11: 03
                -1
                But that's just before Khrushchev, our agriculture was in a deep anus

                Well - before him, we seemed to buy food only during the war, no? For completely understandable reasons.
                1. bar
                  bar 16 January 2022 12: 10
                  +1
                  Quote: paul3390
                  Well - before him, we seemed to buy food only during the war, no? For completely understandable reasons.

                  The reasons are clear - stupid there was no money. Devastation - industrialization - war - again devastation - restoration of the national economy. Money was needed for factories, machine tools, aircraft, a nuclear shield, rockets, space...
                  1. paul3390
                    paul3390 16 January 2022 22: 00
                    0
                    No. Because Comrade Stalin did not say in vain - you need to have your own. And in his time - who the hell would be led to such shnyaga - change oil for grain. Stalin's plan for the transformation of nature - why do you think it was implemented? Is it just that they planted forests and made ponds? Like - they took care of the environment, there was nowhere to put money?
                    1. bar
                      bar 17 January 2022 08: 07
                      0
                      Quote: paul3390
                      Stalin's plan for transforming nature

                      Ruined genetics, "corrupt wench of imperialism", and Lysenkoism were parts of this brilliant plan of the great reformer? It is its consequences that we are seeing now, when it is "not a problem" to create your own seed fund, but only it is 90% imported.
            2. bar
              bar 16 January 2022 11: 58
              +4
              Quote: paul3390
              But back then, all of Central Asia and the Caucasus sat on our allowance! Well, on trifles, all sorts of Baltic states .. Do not forget also some socialist countries.

              Stop feeding the Caucasus? It was already. It's just that you forgot the story. After the end of the war to Khrushchev, agriculture in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, where the hostilities took place, was in complete ruin. And the big question is who fed whom in those days. Destroyed Russia or "the whole of Central Asia", where there were no hostilities. No wonder people were evacuated there during the war. This was also the case in the devastation after the Civil War, remember at least the film "Tashkent City of Bread", "It's warm there, there are apples ...".

              Quote: paul3390
              a lot of grain then went to fattening livestock

              I repeat - a lot of grain went to fattening livestock alwaysand is running now. Pigs and chickens do not live without grain. Only cows survive on bare grass, for this they have specially three stomachs.

              Quote: paul3390
              mass purchases began mainly as a result of Khrushchev's activities.

              Once again - bulk purchases began when what to buywhen the Arab necks decided to show Kuz'kin's mother to America after the "Doomsday War", and oil prices soared. When Khrushchev came to power, agriculture was so in decline that there was nothing to destroy there. You can blame him for the fact that he restored it poorly and did not develop it effectively enough. And there were a lot of quirks (MTS, corn ...). But elementary food began to appear in stores with him. With the "conquest of virgin lands", too, not everything is clear. Probably could have been done better and smarter, without ill-conceived hype. Nevertheless, the virgin land gave a lot of grain, and this is a fact.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 16 January 2022 21: 52
                -1
                bulk purchases began when there was something to buy

                Once again - mass purchases began when it was necessary to buy. According to the results of Khrushchev's activities. Before that - even in the 50s a little - but they still sold.

                Virgin - gave a lot. The first 5 years .. Then - what they warned about came. Failure. The plowed soil was stupidly blown away. And the technology was massively ruined. In addition, there was practically no infrastructure created in Kazakhstan, and there was a huge difference between what was collected and brought to the mouth.
              2. paul3390
                paul3390 16 January 2022 22: 21
                -1
                when did you start buying


                1. bar
                  bar 17 January 2022 08: 15
                  0
                  before him, we seemed to buy food only during the war, no?

                  Well, they themselves confirmed with their picture that they did no. And under the brilliant leader, who says "you must have your own," they bought. And with the bald corn crop, purchases did not increase much.
                  And your other thesis:
                  bulk purchases began when it was necessary to buy. According to the results of Khrushchev's activities.

                  Based on the results of Khrushchev's activities, according to your picture, it was "according to the results of activities" that the first sales began in 1964-66.
                  Although the picture itself from the "CSS of the USSR" is not particularly inspiring.
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 11: 08
            +1
            Quote: bar
            and hello cards, hello queues and shortages, and goodbye to the USSR.

            This is where the bread on the cards in the late USSR was?
            1. bar
              bar 17 January 2022 08: 40
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              This is where the bread on the cards in the late USSR was?

              The cards did not reach the bread, but I remember how I bought "amateur sausage". And the meager amount of pork that still remained in that sausage was obtained from grain. A pig, by its physiology, cannot eat grass alone. And yes, even though there were no cards, he limited the sale of bread "in one hand" in order to avoid shortages. The people bought it to feed those same pigs in their households. And this was due to the lack of compound feed, which is precisely made from that grain. Something like that.
        2. aglet
          aglet 17 January 2022 11: 34
          0
          "The question of how much is needed for real domestic consumption is open, because there are a lot of unclear parameters .."
          according to empirical data, for a year, one person needs about a ton of grain (any), for bread, for flour, for cereals and flakes, cookies
      2. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 16 January 2022 18: 04
        -4
        We have a lot of sown areas, and I think they know how to produce seeds. It's not a problem.
        There is no bread here, there will be gas, iron and aluminum for some "superpowers" on cards
        1. bar
          bar 16 January 2022 18: 10
          +1
          Quote: Cottodraton
          We have a lot of sown areas, and I think they know how to produce seeds. It's not a problem.

          Thinking is not harmful, especially if the topic. The sown areas remained in Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan. And on our territory, many fields are already overgrown with forest / shrubs. In my region, even the once irrigated fields of a millionaire collective farm are abandoned. The pumping stations fell apart, the equipment was scrapped. The waterworks also collapsed. This autumn, they dug straight out of the river and handed over the last meter-diameter intake pipe into the ferrous metal, since the water had gone 200 meters from the shore due to the drought.
          I have already chewed about the production of seeds several times above, I do not want to repeat myself. But in short - you think wrong, and yes, this is a real problem.
          1. your1970
            your1970 16 January 2022 20: 24
            +2
            Quote: bar
            . And on our territory, many fields are already overgrown with forest / shrubs. In my region, even the once irrigated fields of a millionaire collective farm are abandoned. H

            In the Trans-Volga region, they are already plowing almost under the porch in the villages and the field roads are being cut so that the whole epic is breaking up with the oncoming lane. This was not even in the USSR
            1. aglet
              aglet 17 January 2022 11: 35
              -1
              "This was not even in the USSR"
              under the sunflower
              1. your1970
                your1970 17 January 2022 12: 24
                +2
                Quote: aglet
                "This was not even in the USSR"
                under the sunflower

                For cereals mainly. Little by little - for sunflower and safflower, they have been unprofitable for us for the last five years.

                Quote: aglet
                according to empirical data, for a year, one person needs about a ton of grain (any), for bread, for flour, for cereals and flakes, cookies
                - 2,5 kilos of grain per day????????
                This is, to put it mildly, crap ..... More precisely, an abstract figure - for roundness and ease of calculation.
                If we proceed from it - in the USSR the population all died out to zero even before the war - because 300 million tons were never collected ....
                "Cut the sturgeon three times - otherwise there will be no survivors in the village !!! (c) anecdote
                1. aglet
                  aglet 17 January 2022 21: 27
                  0
                  "This is, to put it mildly, crap ..."
                  no, there was still taken into account livestock feed. and the figures, of course, are approximate, but the necessary order is given
                  1. your1970
                    your1970 17 January 2022 22: 19
                    0
                    Quote: aglet
                    The figures are, of course, approximate, but the necessary order is given

                    Much more accurate figures are given by the soldier's food layout.
                    All other figures are from the evil one and are extremely approximate ......
                    1. aglet
                      aglet 18 January 2022 09: 50
                      0
                      "Significantly more accurate figures are given by the soldier's food layout"
                      it does not give an understanding of the required amount of grain production
                      1. your1970
                        your1970 18 January 2022 11: 52
                        0
                        The exact number of animals is not known even in theory. Even in the USSR it was plus or minus
                        Now it is not known at all.
                        Therefore - you write 3, but in reality you need 5 and vice versa. Which is also not very good ..
                        So I suggested the layout
                      2. aglet
                        aglet 18 January 2022 17: 33
                        0
                        "The exact number of animals is not known even in theory. Even in the USSR it was plus or minus"
                        I didn’t want to go into details, but I see you don’t understand what you are writing about. Roughly speaking, a person needs 0,5 kg of bread and cereals per day. Meat need-150 gr. to get that much meat, you need to spend about three times as much grain, for fattening a bird or animal. Here, taking into account these figures, the same amount of grain per person runs up. but this is true only in relation to those places where and when animals are fed grain, and not, as it is now, sawdust, antibiotics and production waste
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 18 January 2022 18: 41
                        0
                        Quote: aglet
                        bread and cereals a person needs 0,5 kg per day. Meat need-150 gr. to get that much meat, you need to spend about three times as much grain, for fattening a bird or animal. here, taking into account these numbers, the same amount runs up

                        Doesn't run.....
                        Out of 120 million crops, we throw out 70 million to feed the population (140/0.5=70)
                        Of the remaining 50 million, at least 38 million are exported.
                        12 million balance
                        The rest - minus state reserves, seeds, spoilage - does not remain on your figure.

                        Moreover, your number
                        Quote: aglet
                        according to empirical data, for a year, one person needs about a ton
                        doesn't hit at first
                        We have 120 million tons of crops for 140 million people - 38 million tons of exports = 0.585 tons per nose. And I haven’t minus losses, seeds, etc.
                      4. aglet
                        aglet 19 January 2022 09: 23
                        0
                        "initially does not beat"
                        I do not argue, the figure is empirical, it is not used in official calculations. but gives the order of required grain production per capita
                      5. your1970
                        your1970 19 January 2022 11: 43
                        0
                        Quote: aglet
                        I do not argue,
                        ??????????!!!!!
                        Quote: aglet
                        but I see you don't understand

                        mmmmm...do not argue?!!!

                        We agreed (I hope?) that the figure per ton per 1 person is abstract ......
                      6. aglet
                        aglet 19 January 2022 12: 22
                        0
                        "We agreed (I hope?) On the fact that the figure per ton per 1 person is abstract ......"
                        it is not abstract. this is how the necessary minimum grain production per capita is determined, this is how the peasants considered the necessary amount of grain for their household, and not at all according to the soldiers' rations. you did not live in the village, and had nothing to do with agriculture, if you judge only by numbers
                      7. your1970
                        your1970 19 January 2022 13: 47
                        0
                        Quote: aglet
                        this is how the required minimum production of cereals per capita is determined,
                        Well then, for the last 20 years, at least 30 million of our population have not eaten bread at all. And under the USSR, 50% of the population did not eat bread.
                        This follows from Your logic and grain cropsx in Russia and the USSR

                        Quote: aglet
                        this is how the peasants considered the necessary amount of grain for the economy

                        You A LITTLE repeat beguiled - the peasants counted a ton not per person - but per head of cattle. A pig / bull needs a ton for a year, a cow 0,7 tons ......
                        Quote: aglet
                        you did not live in the village, and had nothing to do with agriculture, if you judge only by numbers

                        belay belay lol lol
                        Out of 51, I lived in the village of 42 .... Saratov Zavolzhye ..
                        he kept the farm first with his parents, then his own. He slaughtered as many pigs as you possibly have not seen in your life ..... I didn’t beat the slingshot, it’s a pity, they didn’t keep sheep. me and my wife kept 10-15 pigs and a cow - we stored at least 15 tons of grain, not 2 - as it should be according to your theory

                        When did you bestial the need for cereals will be tied to MAN think - at least a couple of seconds.
                        And I'm sitting and trying to figure out which side of the ton per personuh huh...
    2. volodimer
      volodimer 16 January 2022 09: 46
      -8
      We just need to launch the information that the children of our leaders have decided to come to Russia en masse for the holidays, well, or visit the Olympics in Beijing ...
      This will be an effective argument in any negotiations with the West.
    3. Lannan Shi
      Lannan Shi 16 January 2022 12: 04
      +5
      Quote: Cottodraton
      Most importantly, you can impose an embargo on the West on minerals. Everything that is possible.

      Fuel and energy products in the structure of our exports, for 21 years - 53.5%. Other minerals 6 like, I don’t remember exactly. Metal - 10+. What are you going to trade? Or you will walk without pants, which with a probability of 80% are imports. Freeze your ass. winter in the yard.
      1. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 16 January 2022 18: 06
        -1
        Again, those stupid mantras about trading. What a huckster mentality ... Here we are talking about the military phase. What the hell is trade?
        1. your1970
          your1970 17 January 2022 22: 24
          0
          Quote: Cottodraton
          Here we are talking about the military phase. What the hell is trade?

          Let me remind you - the USSR at the height of the Cold War dragged a pipe to its enemy in NATO, in Germany ....
  4. valera75
    valera75 16 January 2022 05: 55
    +3
    Well, of course, it won’t be ice if they do this, but if they do this to us, then they will simply take away their entire business from us, oil trade in the USA will stop, the Americans will no longer buy liquefied gas and how they won’t sell theirs, a complete ban on titanium, aluminum and everything else what we export to them. Plus a complete stop of gas, oil, grain and other exports from Russia to Europe. There will be an almost complete stop of almost all production in Europe, in America it will also be bad without our raw materials, a wild jump in gas and oil prices and the situation will be bad for us that we will find ourselves without an iPhone and without a swift? Yes, it will not matter, because there will be problems all over the world.
    1. aglet
      aglet 16 January 2022 08: 35
      +3
      "a complete ban on titanium, aluminum and everything else that we export to them. Plus a complete halt in gas, oil, grain and other exports from Russia to Europe."
      who will go for it? universal partner from the bunker? he has his own concerns. Miller or Sechin? they lose a lot of money. someone else? I do not know them
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 16 January 2022 09: 24
      +9
      Well, here the question arises - how to pay pensions? And the second question, wells to hammer and conserve?

      1) Titan - now the aircraft industry is still in a coma. The best moment for sanctions in general. Demand is low. Customers are calmly waiting for a couple of years of delay, because their funds cost more than fly.
      2) Luminium - will be replaced. As well as steel, various rolled products, wood, rare earths, heavy metals. Look, the letter B for this, even from Brix, can pop up and become the new Norway or Switzerland. For in Brazil there is a lot of things, it is simply inappropriate to invest money for development and processing in the current market configuration. And so, it will completely cover the needs of the United States in the main areas.
      3) Selection of business = selection of business abroad. Any factories of Gazprom, Rosneft or USC will suffer.
      4) The closure of food exports will push world prices up, but the Russian peasants and farmers, on the contrary, will be in a deplorable state. For the domestic market will collapse => the bankruptcy of a number of farms => a sharp drop in the next crops => already problems with food within the country in a few years.
      5) Gas/Oil - how will the country receive income/currency? And what to do with the infrastructure, which also costs money? And with deposits that cannot simply be taken and stopped. They need to either be pumped out or preserved, which is long, difficult, expensive, and then re-preservation is also not fast and expensive. The US will survive as a whole. EU - will get 1-2 very hard winters with the shutdown of industrial production. But it adapts. Perhaps put pressure on the bowels of Algeria, Norway, restore order in Libya.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 January 2022 16: 40
        -8
        Russia trades with 70 countries - therefore "The closure of food exports will push world prices up, but Russian peasants and farmers, on the contrary, will find themselves in a deplorable state. For the domestic market will collapse => the bankruptcy of a number of farms => a sharp drop in the next harvests => already problems with food within the country in a few years." Bredyatin.
        "Selection of business = selection of business abroad. Any factories of Gazprom, Rosneft or USC will suffer. The contribution of the EU and the USA to Russia is more than two hundred billion dollars - they will take something away from us, we will take their investments and enterprises from them.
        "Gas / Oil - how will the country receive income / currency? And what to do with infrastructure, which also costs money? And with deposits that cannot simply be taken and stopped. They need to either be pumped out or conserved, which is long, difficult, expensive, and then reopening is also not quick and expensive. The United States will survive in general. The EU will get 1-2 very hard winters with the shutdown of industrial production. But it will adapt. It may put pressure on the bowels of Algeria, Norway, and put things in order in Libya." - The EU will definitely not get off for 1.2 years, and during this time part of the enterprises there will go bankrupt due to the fact that energy resources will skyrocket up to 4 and even 6 thousand dollars per 1000 cubic meters of the same gas, and again, who said that other countries will not buy anything from Russia for gas and oil, the same China, India, Turkey and other countries. Perhaps put pressure on the bowels of Algeria, Norway, restore order in Libya. Norway’s subsoil is already running out, and with the rest, if Russia is not the first to introduce the necessary order in Algeria and Libya, and it’s quite possible to cooperate with Iran and pull up the Houthis to restore order in Saudi Arabia with subsequent control of the Suez Canal - how not to turn the west alone hell will be the loser with its super embargo on everything from Russia, the transportation of goods from China through our territory and everything else will not be blocked by anyone, since there is nothing to change it for.
      2. valera75
        valera75 16 January 2022 16: 42
        +2
        Europe will get 1-2 winters of problems? Now there are no sanctions and a cold winter, please note that we fulfill all gas contracts, and they already have the chemical industry on their knees, some are closed and winter has not even reached its half. stop there will be a 100% collapse in Europe, exactly in America, I think it’s half iron. Everyone will have a crisis, and everyone will have a cruel one, so no one will go for it. The Americans have everything just like that except for money, but they calculated everything. They have their entire senate on a pitchfork or they’ll impale because corporations and their leaders run America. Someone more, someone less, someone clamps someone through the same senate, but it’s the loot that drives them and it will decide and I think not like the Yankees squeal. Maximum sanctions will be imposed on Sberbank plus or minus 1 bank and a couple of individuals and that's it.
      3. Cottodraton
        Cottodraton 16 January 2022 18: 08
        0
        Yes, and we also adapt. We are no worse
      4. lucul
        lucul 16 January 2022 21: 34
        -3
        Well, here the question arises - how to pay pensions? And the second question, wells to hammer and conserve?

        The Americans also thought when they imposed sanctions in 2014.
        And now, they are going to sue Russia, for $ 290 billion, for our import substitution (and their lost profits)))))
        This ban is the best way to replace imports and develop electronics and machine tools. So, I'm for the ban.
        1. Insolent_Schoolboy
          Insolent_Schoolboy 18 January 2022 00: 03
          -1
          Yes? Can I link to "they are going to sue Russia"?
          Russia is actually only in the top ten in terms of trade volumes with the US. Therefore, your comment is from a series of fiction.
          1. lucul
            lucul 18 January 2022 08: 29
            -6
            Yes? Can I link to "they are going to sue Russia"?

            https://turbo.ria.ru/20211226/es-1765519939.html
            1. Insolent_Schoolboy
              Insolent_Schoolboy 19 January 2022 01: 29
              0
              The article talks about the EU, not about "Americans who are going to roll a lawsuit"
    3. Vintorez
      Vintorez 16 January 2022 17: 53
      -1
      No one will have any particular problems. The markets will redistribute and everything will be fine for them, so temporary difficulties. But we will be bad. Even in our army, Windows and computers are clearly not made in Russia, the same is true in government agencies. You definitely don’t need to worry about America, they have everything and others will sell it, they practically don’t depend on us at all.
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 16 January 2022 06: 06
    +5
    The prospects are unpleasant, but not deadly. The trade turnover between Russia and the United States will be reset to tens of billions:
    For the 9 months of 2021, Russia's trade with the United States amounted to $ 26, an increase of 223% ($ 550) compared to the same period in 846.

    Russia will have the right to solve all its economic and trade problems on its own...
    Some issues in this case will affect not only the United States, but also subcontractors ... At the same time, some owners may lose control of their business in Russia and lose it on completely legal rights ...
    There may be a number of questions on the payment of external debt...
    Most likely, this may be the beginning of a global revision of interstate relations - it is unlikely that representatives of the Russian Federation will be able to get into the UN, which is located in New York ...
    ==========
    It is not a fact that in the absence of Americans this part of the market will not be filled by someone else.
    There will be bones - the meat will grow ... It's a shame that someone will not be able to go abroad for a new portion of covid infection ... crying
    1. bar
      bar 16 January 2022 09: 00
      +11
      Quote: yuriy55
      The prospects are unpleasant, but not deadly. The trade turnover between Russia and the United States will be reset to tens of billions:

      "Tens of billions" are just pieces of paper and zeros with units in banking computers. It is important what is purchased with these papers, without which it will be very difficult for us to do without. And if you look at it realistically, quite a lot.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 16 January 2022 09: 40
        -5
        Quote: bar
        It is important what is purchased on these pieces of paper, without which it will be very difficult for us to do. And if you look at it realistically, quite a lot.

        It is right. Important. But are there those regulatory bodies in the country that decide: what is important and what is not?
        For example, I believe that you don’t need to get used to the unimportant. And from the pernicious and optional you need to wean. And how else to deal with the fact that in fact it may turn out to be stronger - it turns the struggle of one person with a phenomenon (fact) into a useless exercise?
        I use a push-button mobile phone and consider freezing in a smartphone as a disease. If I go by public transport (rarely), I look out the window. A bicycle is completely different. I remember those nightly lines of fans for "Harry Potter" ... And what about this today?
        1. bar
          bar 16 January 2022 10: 07
          +8
          Quote: yuriy55
          I use a push-button mobile phone and consider freezing in a smartphone as a disease.

          It's not about gadgets, it's the simplest thing you can do without. I'm talking about the country's food security. Most of our agricultural products are grown on imported seeds, imported animals, with the help of imported chemose. Even chicken eggs for incubators, from which chicken legs grow later, we buy abroad.
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 16 January 2022 09: 43
      0
      Quote: yuriy55
      Russia will have the right to solve all its economic and trade problems independently

      Ha.
      With whom and with what are you going to trade in this case?
       someone will not be able to go abroad

      2 times ha.
      How many people can go anywhere?
      The railroad will shut down. Aircraft will land, and many cars will simply stand up ....
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 16 January 2022 10: 01
        -4
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        With whom and with what are you going to trade in this case?

        I am not going to trade with anyone. And Russia ALREADY has experience of trading with other than the US and the EU ... The country will trade with what it trades today. At the same time, she will not have to carry money by plane.
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        The railroad will shut down. Aviation will land

        You forgot about the air defense system and about the nuclear power plant ... Everything is on Windows there ... repeat
        In the worst case, we will be deprived of the opportunity to knock on the keyboard, and we will go out into the street to shed extra pounds ... laughing
        1. 72jora72
          72jora72 16 January 2022 12: 50
          +4
          .. Everything is on “Windows” there
          We have practically switched to Astra Linux, (to be honest, it's still that rubbish)
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 16 January 2022 12: 54
            +2
            Quote: 72jora72
            Almost switched to Astra Linux,

            So I assume that at strategic facilities since ... the shaggy year, the Russian government has not been using Windows ... I think it’s not stupider than us, but there are more opportunities ...
  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 16 January 2022 06: 07
    +9
    If you just look at the list of patents in the US, it turns out that almost everything can be cut off.

    That's why patents are dangerous... that's why all these copyright holders must be fought... if a product or service is used in the public space, it should be considered common property and used in favor of the copyright holder as he pleases, it should be considered a crime.
    I bought a floppy disk with a movie and the copyright holder forbids me to give it to me to a comrade or friend ... why on earth?
    Our bourgeois are following this path ... I am a categorical opponent of such a system of ownership ... the Americans are not without reason pushing bans on the possession of information in the field of inventions ... so they hold the recalcitrant by the throat.
  7. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 16 January 2022 06: 12
    +28
    What kind of iPhones are there? Jerks without buildup in general.
    1. valera75
      valera75 16 January 2022 06: 44
      +24
      Moreover, kefir does not cost 100 rubles per liter, but 950 ml, or even cooler, they began to pack up, in general, 850 or 830 ml each. )))
      1. AUL
        AUL 16 January 2022 07: 52
        +11
        Buckwheat - 800g each, sometimes 900g each, but you have to look for it.
        1. aglet
          aglet 16 January 2022 08: 38
          +6
          "Buckwheat - 800g each, sometimes 900g each, but you have to look for it"
          and beer, BEER, has long been 450ml cans!!! how to live with it?
          1. U-58
            U-58 16 January 2022 09: 01
            +1
            Well, yes, drinking beer is our everything ...))))
            1. aglet
              aglet 16 January 2022 09: 10
              +12
              "Well, yes, drinking beer is our everything ...))))"
              a liter of gasoline has also been 850 ml for a long time, I was repeatedly poured 36 liters into a not quite empty 42-liter tank
            2. Doccor18
              Doccor18 16 January 2022 09: 42
              +4
              Quote: U-58
              Well, yes, drinking beer is our everything ...))))

              Everything, but not "ours". 80% of production is controlled by the three import giants Ying Bev, Carlsberg and Henneken...
          2. yuriy55
            yuriy55 16 January 2022 09: 07
            +2
            Quote: aglet
            and beer, BEER, has long been 450ml cans!!! how to live with it?

            laughing I remembered:
            1. aglet
              aglet 16 January 2022 09: 26
              +5
              "Remembered:"
              in-in. and for 450 ml what should be done?. and in general, in physics, a new reality begins - the previously unshakable liter, which in Africa is a liter, in dispersion acquires the most vague outlines
    2. avg avg
      avg avg 16 January 2022 08: 53
      -16
      Has hunger already begun in your individual family?
    3. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 10: 01
      -1
      Where do you find such prices? Won kefir in not the cheapest store
      1. V means B
        V means B 16 January 2022 10: 56
        +9
        Show photos from a real store, not from an online store.)
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 11: 14
          -3
          When I go, I will. What's the difference? The same prices.
          1. V means B
            V means B 16 January 2022 11: 18
            +3
            Yes, there is a difference, prices on Internet sites are lower than in real life.
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 14: 37
              -3
              Firstly, not always and not everywhere, and secondly, not so much.

              And most importantly: what prevents you from buying in an online store, if it is really cheaper there?
          2. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 12: 04
            +5
            Quote: El Chuvachino
            When I go, I will.

            Are you going to Tomsk?
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 14: 38
              +1
              No. Or do you think that it is more expensive in Tomsk than in Moscow?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 15: 27
                +3
                Quote: El Chuvachino
                Or do you think that it is more expensive in Tomsk than in Moscow?

                It's likely more expensive. For example, here, in the Tula region, the Vietnamese produce noodles. So it is first taken to Moscow, and then back to our stores. Madhouse. What makes you think that everything is more expensive in Moscow than in the rest of Russia? request
                1. El Chuvachino
                  El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 15: 50
                  -4
                  From the fact that for the most part it is, I'm not talking about all of Russia. Many regions have their own specifics, but Moscow is one of the most expensive cities to live in.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 16 January 2022 15: 55
                    +2
                    Quote: El Chuvachino
                    but Moscow is one of the most expensive cities to live in.

                    Travel and housing costs. A year and a half or two years ago, I was surprised to learn that the cost of hot water in our country is more expensive than in your Moscow, with an average salary of thirty in the region.
  8. nikvic46
    nikvic46 16 January 2022 06: 37
    0
    It is unlikely that America will take such steps. And here it is not only about retaliatory actions. The largest amount of equipment does not come directly from the states. The equipment comes from countries that manufacture this equipment under license. There are many such countries. Stopping such production is more expensive for yourself. And although the path to the Russian Internet is long and difficult, they need to be dealt with now. Here it is also a matter of technology, in the Internet itself.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 16 January 2022 07: 58
      +13
      All electronics are based on US technologies, arm architecture and so on, one amendment and voila a new ban and problems for both the seller and the buyer.
    2. Serg Kam
      Serg Kam 16 January 2022 08: 07
      +6
      The largest amount of equipment does not come directly from the states. Equipment comes from countries that manufacture this equipment under license. There are many such countries

      Sanctions imply a ban on the sale of technology with patents, even by third countries.
      In electronics, wherever there are processors or cores from Intel, AMD, Nvidia, ARM, Qualcomm, they will immediately be banned.
      After all, these are not only cellular, but also network equipment, cars, excavators, loaders, machine tools, etc.
      Yes, manufacturers will lose, of course. But do not forget that we are about 1/50 of the world's population, manufacturers will be able to find other markets, albeit with financial losses.
      1. Bessik
        Bessik 17 January 2022 14: 21
        0
        Where will they find new markets, on Mars or the Moon? Or maybe we have an unexplored place on the globe with a large market? Everything has long been divided and there is nothing new!
        1. Serg Kam
          Serg Kam 17 January 2022 15: 05
          0
          Or maybe we have an unexplored place on the globe with a large market?

          Again. For those who have not studied fractions well.
          1/50 of the world's population is 2% of the population. Calling 2% of buyers a big market is demagogy.
          By the way, as many people are born in a year as the total number of people living in Russia (approximately 140 million).
          So it’s enough for sellers to wait a year - and these 2% will themselves be born (grow up)
          1. Bessik
            Bessik 18 January 2022 16: 49
            0
            Is it enough for sellers to wait a year and 140 million newborns will grow up and become new buyers, and therefore a new market?
            You would finish drinking on weekdays!
            1. Serg Kam
              Serg Kam 19 January 2022 00: 15
              0
              You would finish drinking on weekdays!

              Well, if you read my comment in full, you would see that I specifically highlighted that every year not only 140 million people are born, but the same number born N years ago grow up and become independent.
              If I am Russian, it does not mean that I drink every day, your rudeness and stereotypes are not needed.
              1. Bessik
                Bessik 19 January 2022 16: 22
                0
                Specially for you: Apple and Google pay million fines in Russia, and those who make money know how to count them!
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 16 January 2022 09: 29
      +11
      Stopping such production is more expensive for yourself.


      Now there is a small crisis - that is, there are more buyers for this than the release due to the crisis with chips. Therefore, the loss of the Russian market is not critical, the entire issue will be sold out.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 January 2022 16: 52
        -8
        Now they will buy it up and tomorrow they will fall into the minus, since new enterprises for the production of processors will not pay off, since the solvent consumer has left the market.
  9. samarin1969
    samarin1969 16 January 2022 06: 51
    +20
    American business will cease to exist on the territory of Russia - most of it will be nationalized with a high probability. As a response, so to speak.


    It's already fantastic, like Hochland cheese! laughing Investors are the religion of "our" elite. No one even stutters about the crimes of Ukraine against the Russians in the negotiations.
    The interests of the people were sacrificed to the interests of corporations.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 January 2022 16: 53
      -5
      Ukraine also supplies us with critically important raw materials, the same titanium ore.
  10. 27091965
    27091965 16 January 2022 07: 40
    -6
    Quote: Jacket in stock
    But for now, yes, billions of dollars are being withdrawn from Russia, and this is much more profitable for them than war.

    Everyone writes that they are withdrawing billions from Russia, well, at least someone would explain how they do it, and most importantly, who?
    1. aglet
      aglet 16 January 2022 08: 44
      +16
      "Everyone writes that they are withdrawing billions from Russia, well, at least someone would explain how they do it, and most importantly, who?"
      sell abroad gas, oil, wax and hemp. for doners, of course. the good king allowed the currency not to be sent to Russia - like, oncoming traffic, extra transport costs. the currency settles on some accounts in the camp of enemies, pouring into their economy, reviving it, well, Gazprom is a national property, but what people? something like this
      1. 27091965
        27091965 16 January 2022 09: 16
        -10
        Quote: aglet
        sell abroad gas, oil, wax and hemp. for doners, of course. the good king allowed the currency not to be sent to Russia - like, oncoming traffic, extra transport costs. the currency settles on some accounts in the camp of enemies, pouring into their economy, reviving it, well, Gazprom is a national property, but what people? something like this

        You have a good sense of humor. This is often written in the media, but there is no specifics. .
        1. aglet
          aglet 16 January 2022 09: 20
          +6
          "So they often write in the media, but there is not any specifics."
          do you need the names of the beneficiaries? or the name of their leader, who allows all this?
          1. 27091965
            27091965 16 January 2022 09: 32
            -6
            Quote: aglet
            do you need the names of the beneficiaries? or the name of their leader, who allows all this?

            I don't need surnames, I wanted to know about specific cases, they still write about big money.
    2. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 16 January 2022 09: 22
      +13
      Quote: 27091965i
      how do they do it and most importantly who?

      Everyone who has something to display.
      For example, I remember that VVP complained not so long ago that our government agencies could not find out who owns Sheremetyevo Airport.
      Why is there Sheremetyevo, it is far away, there is an example much closer - the management company where I pay the rent is registered in Cyprus.
      1. V means B
        V means B 16 January 2022 10: 59
        +10
        I am tormented by vague doubts, but to whom does the Kremlin belong?))
  11. jonht
    jonht 16 January 2022 07: 43
    +12
    The internet isn't going anywhere. It is not a problem to deploy a data center or, more correctly, to get out of control the one that we have in Russia. Anyone who deployed a local area network understands this. Yes, there will be no access to the global one, but the internal one can always be deployed.
    Linux, including Ubuntu, is an open system and you can't close it, if only because there are sources on our servers, take it and collect it. So this is more of a horror story than a real pain .... hi
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 16 January 2022 09: 27
      +6
      Quote: jonht
      The internet isn't going anywhere. Deploy a data center or, more correctly, take out of control the one that we have in Russia is not a problem

      Well, yes, but it will have to be done before ...
      Until a reset update arrives on this very Internet for all equipment and all connected devices,
      1. jonht
        jonht 16 January 2022 11: 39
        +2
        In terms of equipment and its renewal, this is mostly China. Yes, I wrote about the fact that a day or two and you can deploy your server for distributing IPs or Google's, which we can reconfigure.
    2. Vikxnumx
      Vikxnumx 16 January 2022 10: 15
      -1
      So this is more of a horror story than a real pain ....

      Can you tell me about the equipment of all stations?
      1. jonht
        jonht 16 January 2022 11: 43
        +3
        90 percent of equipment China. For example, the connection was once Simons, and now Huawei. Hubs and modems are also China and Chinese firms.
  12. riwas
    riwas 16 January 2022 07: 55
    +4
    “We swung at the most sacred”: what can the US limit to the Russians

    International trolling - in word and deed - is serious. How they talk about the possibility of a Russian attack on Ukraine. Ukraine, Poland and the United States have succeeded in this, while Russia is lagging behind. We need a team in Russia that will deal with this and act through the media and official (not the first) persons.
  13. evgen1221
    evgen1221 16 January 2022 07: 55
    +3
    After such tricks from the United States, the flow of oil, gas and raw materials will rush even stronger to the west and at greatly reduced prices. We do not produce our own, but we need foreign currency for imports.
  14. Klingon
    Klingon 16 January 2022 08: 19
    +17
    I want to object to the author about Huawei products without Google services. I advise you to refrain from such radical conclusions.
    - what you wrote is complete nonsense and it is quite obvious that you have never held such an apparatus in your hands. And I have been using Huawei P40 Pro for more than a year and it was an absolutely meaningful decision to purchase a device without Google services. From the experience of using it, I can say that everything works on it, application updates are done by downloading APK files through the special Petal Search service, which is also a search engine similar to Google with maps, etc. In addition, your app store, which is Huawei app gallery, and your own payment service for contactless payment, even two of them are Blue Code and Curve
    So everything works on Harmony OS, no need to drive. But for Yablofilov, yes, there will be hard times wassat
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 16 January 2022 09: 28
      +9
      Quote: Klingon
      it's obvious that you have never held such a device in your hands. And I have been using Huawei P40 Pro for more than a year

      I use the Chinese version of Honor 9X phone. HarmonyOS. Without Google services is very inconvenient. Solid crutches, poorly working. Not all applications can be found. Those that can be found may have an outdated version or not work at all. I can’t find a simple radio (not the Internet). Native - overloaded with Chinese. There is no keyboard and voice control from Google. Alice doesn't work well. I'm not happy with the phone! Got it for free from the former owner, who wanted to get rid of it faster. It is understandable, such a "miracle" can not be sold to anyone!
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 16 January 2022 11: 15
        +7
        So you had to take the device with global firmware and not Chinese.
        I don’t know why something doesn’t work for you, maybe it’s really about localization, I find everything I need for my device. And in Yandex music, by the way, there is a radio. Yandex music works without problems
        Huawei also has its own voice assistant - Celia works fine for me, although it doesn’t speak Russian yet, but it’s normal in English and German)) As an alternative, there is also Alice from Yandex also works
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 16 January 2022 13: 43
          +1
          Quote: Klingon
          And in Yandex music, by the way, there is a radio.

          This is internet radio. And I need offline radio. I use stock, and everything is in Chinese! Shazam doesn't work very well. The Evelink Smart Home program does not work halfway. Instagram is dumb, not playing videos. It looks like I won't have this machine for long. And I definitely won’t take the new Honor. hi
          1. Klingon
            Klingon 16 January 2022 20: 05
            +1
            My Instagram works great. Change the phone to with global firmware. At one time, I had Xiaomi redmi 3 pro with Chinese firmware - it was a complete hat, everything was buggy and Google service crashed due to the fact that the region was constantly set to China. I had to root and install custom rum. (lineage OS)
          2. lucul
            lucul 16 January 2022 21: 40
            +2
            This is internet radio. And I need offline radio. I use stock, and everything is in Chinese! Shazam doesn't work very well. The Evelink Smart Home program does not work halfway. Instagram is dumb, not playing videos. It looks like I won't have this machine for long. And I definitely won’t take the new Honor.

            You have a campaign left device, bought through AliExpress with no idea what firmware. We, in Belarus, have Chinese smartphones in branded cellular communication centers - 100% localization. I didn’t see a single hieroglyph there, everything is in Russian.
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 16 January 2022 09: 40
      +8
      decision to purchase a device without Google services

      I've historically loved Xiaomi, and the first thing I do is cut out google junk. Just because it eats resources like crazy. And nothing - somehow here I do not feel infringed.
      1. V means B
        V means B 16 January 2022 11: 04
        +2
        Ruth is right? Some applications are not completely cut out, turn off the maximum (
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 16 January 2022 11: 07
          0
          And how without them? Otherwise, you won't drink.
          1. V means B
            V means B 16 January 2022 11: 16
            +3
            But didn’t they pass the law so that all this was cut out without tambourines? And so the risk that you can get a "brick" (
            1. PSih2097
              PSih2097 16 January 2022 12: 54
              +1
              Quote: V is for B
              And so the risk that you can get a "brick" (

              so it can be obtained with almost any modern smart - only if there are "crooked hands" growing not from there.
              at the xiaomi 10 pro itself - suffered with the root ...
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 16 January 2022 13: 39
                0
                So - what are the problems with Magisk?
              2. V means B
                V means B 17 January 2022 14: 08
                +1
                And how do you like pro, I managed to scrape together only on note 10s due to poverty?)
            2. lucul
              lucul 16 January 2022 21: 44
              -4
              But didn’t they pass the law so that all this was cut out without tambourines? And so the risk that you can get a "brick" (

              That's why you need your own phones, because you want adequacy, and not like a dog's 5th leg.
  15. Klingon
    Klingon 16 January 2022 08: 25
    +18
    By the way, the shortsightedness of our leadership is obvious, there was a time when they seriously proposed to make a domestic AXIS, an analogue of Windows with an x86 kernel called ReactOS and an alpha version, I remember, they even presented it to the LADY who was at the helm, but they didn’t give a move to the cause, as everyone knows, DAM is a fan of Apple products wassat
    1. aglet
      aglet 16 January 2022 09: 14
      +5
      "seriously proposed to make a domestic AXIS"
      domestic wasps, without a domestic processor, money down the drain. even ladies understand it
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 16 January 2022 10: 08
        +8
        There is a specific moment here - having done something of your own, you can finally jump out of the stupid race for chip performance. For - it occurs solely due to the catastrophic deterioration in the quality of codes. In fact, an analogue of, say, Windows can be made on a much less advanced processor. Functionality is not greatly affected. I think - many more remember, say, drivers for network cards on one floppy disk. And now? Long over 100 MB exceeded! WHAT it is possible to push into the network driver on such volume??? And so it is in everything. Let's say the great achievement of Windows-95 - dragging the entire window, and not the frame as in the previous ones. But after all, they knew how to do this little known English Acorn already in the 80s !! By the way, the notorious ARM Holdings with its Cortex is their direct successor. I remember the unforgettable OS / 2 WARP once launched in 4 MB of brains! And she - was by no means worse than Vindov .. That's what it means to write correctly .. So - there are chances. The main thing is to finally tackle this issue closely.
        1. Klingon
          Klingon 16 January 2022 11: 23
          +2
          ReactOS was conceived as an analogue of the Windows NT version (Windows Server 2003), says Wiki, that Elbrus processors could well pull, well, plus everything else you wrote about. By the way, I also noticed a trend of weighting firewood. On vidyahi so they began to weigh half a giga. Well, okay, there are all sorts of ray tracing there, etc., it’s probably difficult to encode compactly, although I’m not special and I could be wrong
        2. lucul
          lucul 16 January 2022 21: 46
          +1
          . I think - many more remember, say, drivers for network cards on one floppy disk. And now? Long over 100 MB exceeded! WHAT it is possible to push into the network driver on such volume???

          And how to raise sales of new computers? That's how they raise)))
        3. aglet
          aglet 17 January 2022 09: 10
          0
          "The main thing is to finally get to grips with this issue."
          so when do you do it? here it is necessary to build pipes endlessly, and all the money goes down the pipe. but the performance of modern processors is clearly excessive. it can be seen that they are made under the curve of windows, and under toys
      2. Klingon
        Klingon 16 January 2022 11: 25
        0
        Given that ReactOS is an analogue of Windows NT 2000, Elbrus could be used as a CPU
    2. lucul
      lucul 16 January 2022 21: 48
      -1
      there was a time when they seriously suggested making a domestic OS, an analogue of Windows with an x86 kernel

      x86 has long been a corpse and needs to be buried.
      And if the Internet is turned off, this will be the best time to bury the outdated x86.
  16. BISMARCK94
    BISMARCK94 16 January 2022 08: 46
    +4
    Here are some guys in ties that didn’t share something, but the lower classes suffer. Fun, very much.
  17. U-58
    U-58 16 January 2022 08: 53
    +8
    It all sounds pretty menacing, but... only until the point of comparison in the 20th century period.
    Then the Soviet Union lived quite confidently, powerfully and menacingly for opponents.
    He perfectly opposed the West in the Cold War, flew into space and shot down Korean Boeings. And he worked and had a good rest and had fun about it. Lived and now she-she did not grieve.
    Well, if, as a result of an electronic blackout, Danya Milokhin and others like him remain without money, then it doesn’t matter at all.
    Let him get up to the lathe. More and more benefits will be for the fatherland.
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 16 January 2022 11: 37
      +3
      Tell all this to the USE generation and all Sobchak, Buzov, Volochkov, Dzyubam and other Instagram and YouTube riffraff, they will be the first to raise a howl that their Yablofons have turned into bricks and Instagram accounts with millions of subscribers are no longer available wassat
    2. your1970
      your1970 16 January 2022 22: 40
      0
      Quote: U-58
      shot down Korean Boeings.

      The result of his downing was the span of Rust
  18. prior
    prior 16 January 2022 09: 14
    +8
    Read the comments.
    The worthless defenders of Moscow and Stalingrad would have turned out today from us.
    Consumerism (I wanted to use a different word, but they will be banned) has become one of the features of our mentality.
    Morgensterns have sprouted in us.
    1. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 11: 23
      +12
      Quote: prior
      Consumerism (I wanted to use a different word, but they will be banned) has become one of the features of our mentality.
      Morgensterns have sprouted in us.

      Yes, that's not the point! Who to protect? The people slowly understand more and more clearly that they no longer have their own state, and only i_d_i_o_t wants to defend the state that says "pasta always costs the same" or "the state doesn't owe you anything, it didn't ask you to give birth."
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 16 January 2022 14: 59
        -3
        A small correction - it was not the state itself that spoke about pasta, but individuals in the service of the state who were fired. To be honest. Further - "the people are becoming clearer and clearer ..." - this reminded me of the crazy statements of our "political scientists" that the people of Ukraine are slowly beginning to see clearly. But the people of Ukraine, in a completely sighted state, rushed to serve the pans in Poland. About the fact that "he wants to protect ... only." Well, yes - tell the Armed Forces, the Navy, the Aerospace Forces about it .., let's even say in Syria, instead of using the keyboard for other purposes. Of course, we have freedom of opinion, but not to the same degree.
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 15: 32
          +6
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          A small amendment - it was not the state itself that spoke about pasta

          No, Mikhail, the state spoke about pasta through its representatives, that is, officials! And what was fired, so others came, no different from those.
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          But the people of Ukraine, in a completely sighted state, rushed to serve the pans in Poland.

          It's good to shake! The people of Ukraine survive as best they can. They would open the borders of the Russian Federation with the EU, guess where the collective farmers would pick strawberries, in the Russian Federation - for 500 rubles. per day or would you go to the EU on a watch?
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          About the fact that "he wants to protect ... only"

          And you talk to ordinary people, ask them if they want to volunteer for the military registration and enlistment office to fight in Ukraine, or if they are called up from their families, then you will hear a lot of interesting things about the Supreme Commander-in-Chief, and about the military registration and enlistment office, and about yourself .))))
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          tell about it in the Armed Forces, Navy, VKS ..

          They are paid money for this, no one forced them to sign a contract by force! Moreover, I spoke about ordinary people and their lack of desire to break away from their families and go to some kind of Ukraine, to turn their heads for interests alien to them.
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          instead of using the keyboard for other purposes. Of course, we have freedom of opinion, but not to the same degree.

          Why are you so offended then? Do not like that the people do not want to fight? So this is an objective reality! People do not want to fight, for the interests of all Chubais and Abramovichs, under the leadership of "patriots" with families, assets and real estate in NATO countries! What is the state doing for the people? Why should the people defend him, who is attacking him?
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  20. Amateur
    Amateur 16 January 2022 09: 29
    +2
    In 1949, the bourgeois came up with a certain office called CoCom (Coordinating Committee for Multilateral Export Controls, better known as CoCom or COCOM) is an international organization created in 1949 [1] for multilateral control over exports to the USSR and other socialist countries;)
    Almost all electronics, equipment for drilling, production and transportation of oil and gas, and much more have been banned.
    So what? Nothing!
    A tiny Finnish tire company diversified its products by tearing off American (German, French and other) nameplates and sticking new ones with its name. Then they started assembling screwdriver electronics, and then the production of high-tech products for export to the USSR. And everyone knows the name of this company that got rich on re-export.
    This is NOKIA.
    So if the United States again bans something, then a new Nokia (mokiya, sakiya or kakiya) will definitely appear, which will re-export everything you need to Russia.
    For "money does not smell."
    1. Klingon
      Klingon 16 January 2022 11: 46
      0
      There was such a carte blanche after the collapse and repurchase by Mike of the Nokia you mentioned as a newly minted Yoll company from the former employees of the same Nokia who washed down their own smartphone and installed Sailfish OS on it, which was based on the Linux project of Nokia called Maemo (set on the Nokia N9 ). Just at the time of the same DAM, there was a conversation and even sort of decided to buy the Jolla company, something Yandex had there. so that it is possible to produce the same domestic Yotaphones or Yandexphones, but not with Andryushka, but with SailfishOS ... but something went wrong wassat
    2. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 16 January 2022 14: 23
      +2
      This is NOKIA.
      The first Nokia plant (pulp) was opened in the Russian Empire (1865, Tampere). They rose in the 20th century on defense orders. Something like this.
  21. Volga073
    Volga073 16 January 2022 09: 37
    -4
    #AlaskaNativeHarbor
  22. avib
    avib 16 January 2022 09: 40
    +1
    I read the article, looked at the comments ....
    I can’t connect the arguments of respected commentators and realities in any way.
    I understand that the United States PROMISES sanctions if Russia attacks Ukraine.
    Those. Sanctions are not something inevitable - they will be a reaction to Russia's actions.
    And from every iron they say that Russia is NOT going to attack Ukraine.
    So what is all the fuss about?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 16 January 2022 09: 54
      +7
      So what is all the fuss about?


      The main thing is to coordinate and prepare sanctions. The reason is different. Well, if it doesn’t come out to arrange a war, then the good will not disappear? You can enter them for something else. For example, for the abstract "Aggressive actions of Russia" or "Threat to peace and stability."
      1. avib
        avib 16 January 2022 10: 49
        +2
        The main thing is to coordinate and prepare sanctions. The reason is different. Well, if it doesn’t come out to arrange a war, then the good will not disappear? You can enter them for something else. For example, for the abstract "Aggressive actions of Russia" or "Threat to peace and stability."

        And from every iron they say that the sanctions will hit America itself and business in Russia. Why would they then impose sanctions just like that, for no reason????
        One gets the impression that the public at VO would even want sanctions to be introduced. Weird. No one will benefit from sanctions.
    2. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 10: 13
      +1
      Quote: avib
      I read the article, looked at the comments ....
      I can’t connect the arguments of respected commentators and realities in any way.
      I understand that the United States PROMISES sanctions if Russia attacks Ukraine.
      Those. Sanctions are not something inevitable - they will be a reaction to Russia's actions.
      And from every iron they say that Russia is NOT going to attack Ukraine.
      So what is all the fuss about?

      Cheese-boron that there would be sanctions, and for what they will always be applied.
    3. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 11: 28
      +4
      Quote: avib
      So what is all the fuss about?

      On the possible entry of Ukraine and Georgia into NATO and the possible solution of this issue by the Russian Federation by force. So far, everyone is just "puffing out their cheeks." And what will happen next - time will tell.
      1. avib
        avib 16 January 2022 11: 35
        0
        On the possible entry of Ukraine and Georgia into NATO and the possible solution of this issue by the Russian Federation

        Those. if Ukraine or Georgia joins NATO, will the Russian Federation attack Ukraine and Georgia, respectively? Is this Casus Belle?
        And actually Ukraine and Georgia have the right to vote in this situation, or the Russian Federation will decide for them where to join or not to join. As far as I understand, these are two independent countries. In addition, for example, the Baltic countries are NATO members and the distance from their borders to vital points in the Russian Federation is no more, if not less, than from the territory of Ukraine or Georgia. Somehow it all doesn't fit together.
        Those. I understand (not completely - NATO is a defensive alliance) the concern of the Russian Federation with the advancement of NATO to the east, but I do not understand the selectivity. Estonia is normal, but Georgia is not.
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 11: 46
          +6
          Quote: avib
          Those. if Ukraine or Georgia joins NATO, will the Russian Federation attack Ukraine and Georgia, respectively?

          No. I understand that if the United States decides on the entry of Ukraine and Georgia into NATO, then the Russian Federation will have no other option than to occupy Ukraine and Georgia.
          Quote: avib
          And actually Ukraine and Georgia have the right to vote in this situation .....

          I do not evaluate and do not speak about the rights of other states. Just answered the question
          Quote: avib
          So what is all the fuss about?

          according to your understanding of the situation.
          Threat Saber-rattling, either side, I really do not like it, because the consequences can be irreparable.
        2. bk0010
          bk0010 16 January 2022 13: 21
          +2
          Quote: avib
          Those. I understand (not completely - NATO is a defensive alliance) the concern of the Russian Federation with the advancement of NATO to the east, but I do not understand the selectivity.
          Tell the Yugoslavs about NATO's defensiveness. Or Libyans.
          Quote: avib
          Estonia is normal, but Georgia is not.
          Estonia in NATO is not normal, but in the West you still need to keep a shock fist, so the forces that NATO will deploy in Estonia are suicide bombers, they have something to destroy. But in the south, creating such a fist is expensive.
  23. kytx
    kytx 16 January 2022 09: 43
    +6
    The author does not fumble at all in the Harmony OS theme, this is just a brazenly licked android
    1. V means B
      V means B 16 January 2022 11: 07
      +1
      +, but what prevents us from "brazenly licking"?
      1. kytx
        kytx 16 January 2022 14: 15
        +6
        Not all code is open there.
        And we are hindered by the lack of production of lithographic equipment. :(
        By the way, the Chinese don't either.
        1. UGM159
          UGM159 17 January 2022 08: 19
          +1
          It has been reported that Shanghai Micro Electronic Equipment (SMEE) has developed a deep ultraviolet (DUV) lithographic scanner, and has already scheduled its delivery to everyone in 2021. It is planned that production machines will be shipped to the factories in the fourth quarter of 2021. SMEE has developed a DUV scanner for the production of 28nm semiconductor chips. (Only a few companies in the world can manufacture such equipment ... this will be enough to expand the production of 7nm and even 5nm semiconductors in China.)

          This has been successfully done.
          1. kytx
            kytx 17 January 2022 08: 23
            0
            Just recently, infa slipped that the Chinese would focus on "old" technologies for which they have printers. Because of the conflict over Taiwan.
            The Dutch have already allegedly mastered 2 nm.
        2. UGM159
          UGM159 17 January 2022 08: 40
          0
          Compare with RF?
          1. kytx
            kytx 17 January 2022 09: 51
            0
            And with what?
    2. vl903
      vl903 16 January 2022 12: 05
      +1
      It's not about slackness, but about the lack of remote control-bookmarks. what the Chinese needed
  24. vl903
    vl903 16 January 2022 09: 46
    0
    for more or less independence, we need to build up, among other things, the human base - 140 million is not enough to do the necessary strategic minimum ourselves
    1. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 11: 31
      +2
      Quote: vl903
      for more or less independence, we need to build up, among other things, the human base - 140 million is not enough to do the necessary strategic minimum ourselves

      And how are you going to do it? Where will you find jobs, at least for those 140 million that you already have?
      1. vl903
        vl903 16 January 2022 11: 47
        -1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Quote: vl903
        for more or less independence, we need to build up, among other things, the human base - 140 million is not enough to do the necessary strategic minimum ourselves

        And how are you going to do it? Where will you find jobs, at least for those 140 million that you already have?

        you are absolutely right, first you need to reasonably manage the human potential that is.
        but even so, we will not be able to develop and produce the necessary minimum.
        for comparison, China cannot yet. The USA has its own, European, Canadian English, and Asian human resource for this.
        so this needs to be planned.
        expand? - the return of the lands of RI. cooperation with China. involvement in its orbit of all comers.
        otherwise we will inevitably lose.
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 11: 57
          +5
          Quote: vl903
          we will not be able to develop and produce the required minimum

          Quote: vl903
          it is necessary to reasonably dispose of the human potential that is.

          The USSR could, and we can, the only question is private ownership of the means of production.
          Quote: vl903
          expand? - the return of the lands of RI.

          Quote: vl903
          involvement in its orbit of all comers.

          Do the lands of the Republic of Ingushetia have a desire to return to the orbit of influence of such a Russian Federation? In your opinion, is the current Russian Federation attractive to the former republics of the USSR? Is "our galley slave" very different from their elbasyatin? Unless he does not erect monuments to himself yet.
          Quote: vl903
          cooperation with China

          China itself, such a Russian Federation, he is not an ally.
          Quote: vl903
          otherwise we will inevitably lose.

          So far this is what it's all about.
          1. vl903
            vl903 16 January 2022 12: 01
            0
            the question is not even in private ownership (in the United States, the state, if necessary, steers the private factories harder than the USSR steered its own), but the understanding that this should be dealt with, well, in real affairs and not any "straight lines"
            and China is more of a potential enemy, but you need to use it for now
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 12: 10
              +9
              Quote: vl903
              the question is not even in private ownership (in the United States, the state, if necessary, steers with private factories harder than the USSR steered with its own)

              It is a huge mistake to compare countries like Russia or China with developed caps. countries. We will never be like them, under the capitalist economic system! Remind you when capitalist relations in Europe began to be built? Tell me for yourself how much (more precisely, how many times) their financial capital is more powerful than Russian or Chinese?
              1. vl903
                vl903 16 January 2022 12: 51
                -1
                on the one hand yes. on the other hand, Western financial capital is just a tool. one of several.
                and you have to know how to use the tool.
                so far we are not even using our tools well. and using a Western financial instrument is a 100% way to lose, its owners took care of it
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 12: 58
                  +5
                  Quote: vl903
                  on the one hand yes. on the other hand, Western financial capital is just a tool. one of several.

                  Under the current economic model, financial capital is the alpha and omega. Look closely at corporations, how they are organized. Under the socialist economic system, all financial capital was united in the hands of the state and the planned economy directed it to where it was most in demand, hence the successes of the USSR and China.
                  1. vl903
                    vl903 16 January 2022 13: 01
                    -3
                    in the United States, too, and financial capital and the state in the same hands.
                    those. the main thing is to set yourself a goal and plan to go towards it - for example, China, the USSR, the USA
                    1. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 13: 18
                      +5
                      Quote: vl903
                      in the United States, too, and financial capital and the state in the same hands.

                      No. There is much more than one hand.

                      Quote: vl903
                      those. the main thing is to set yourself a goal and plan to go towards it - for example, China, the USSR, the USA

                      No. The main thing is the nationalization of the country's financial system and a ban on private ownership of the means of production for the USSR and China. And the USA is a developed capitalist state, which was already one of the leading capitalist states, when the Republic of Ingushetia was a feudal state, and China was a colony in general.
                      1. vl903
                        vl903 16 January 2022 13: 22
                        0
                        Was the US a serious player 150 years ago? even 100 years ago? now? only at the expense of money they got stronger? how were they able to save the money?
                      2. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 13: 34
                        +7
                        Quote: vl903
                        Was the US a serious player 150 years ago? even 100 years ago?

                        Yes, a very serious player! As far as I remember, unconditionally ahead of Austria - Hungary, Japan and Russia, almost unconditionally ahead of France and Germany and "breathing in the back" of Britain.
                        Quote: vl903
                        only at the expense of money they got stronger? how were they able to save the money?

                        Not only that, the USA became a capitalist country with very good laws for business after the victory of the capitalist North over the South. How were you able to save money? Duties, the construction of corporations, and then the export of capital to less developed countries and the harsh exploitation of the latter. Of course, the remoteness from the European theater of operations also played a role.
            2. kytx
              kytx 16 January 2022 14: 17
              +1
              Exactly. It is private for now, but it will be necessary to do what is necessary.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 January 2022 17: 10
          -2
          If our domestic market is freed from imports, everything that needs to be replaced will take money and time, but since we are in an open market economy, there will never be such a complete replacement.
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 16 January 2022 13: 23
        -1
        Quote: aleksejkabanets
        Where will you find jobs, at least for those 140 million that you already have?
        If sanctions are imposed against us, then within a couple of years there will be many jobs.
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 13: 36
          +4
          Quote: bk0010
          If sanctions are imposed against us, then within a couple of years there will be many jobs.

          Could you explain where they (jobs), in your opinion, will come from?
          1. bk0010
            bk0010 16 January 2022 14: 32
            -3
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Could you explain where they (jobs), in your opinion, will come from?
            People will need to replace goods that have fallen out due to sanctions, production facilities will be deployed, in which someone will need to work. The same thing happened in South Africa when sanctions were imposed against them: the industry flourished, cheap domestic goods appeared.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 15: 04
              +7
              Quote: bk0010
              People will need to replace goods that have fallen due to sanctions,

              I don’t remember that this state paid much attention to the needs of ordinary people. People need cheap meat, but no, domestic pig breeding has been banned and grain prices are being raised to match global prices, are they thinking about human needs? People need more beds, but no, medicine continues to be "optimized" further, and examples of such a wagon and a small cart.
              Quote: bk0010
              production will be deployed, in which someone will need to work

              Yeah, now, with our taxation, VAT and credit policy? Again, the same characters will bundle raw materials, only to China, instead of Europe, and there they will buy high-tech products, as they do now. And our country will become not a raw material appendage of Europe, but a raw material appendage of China. If we wanted to develop the industry, we would have developed it long ago.
              Quote: bk0010
              The same thing happened in South Africa when sanctions were imposed against them: the industry flourished,

              Yeah, mining and screwdriver assembly of western cars? ))))))
              1. bk0010
                bk0010 16 January 2022 17: 31
                -1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                I don’t remember that this state paid much attention to the needs of ordinary people.
                And the state has nothing to do with it: the bourgeois will not miss the demand.
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Yeah, now, with our taxation, VAT and credit policy?
                The consumer will pay for everything. There will be no alternative.
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                If we wanted to develop the industry, we would have developed it long ago.
                Why develop it for the sake of it: who will buy our goods?
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Yeah, mining and screwdriver assembly of western cars? ))))))
                This is now that the sanctions have been lifted, and while they were in South Africa, everything was their own, up to the atomic bomb.
                1. vl903
                  vl903 16 January 2022 18: 23
                  +1
                  if the state had not interfered, then we ourselves would have bought most of our goods. but our laws were written by the USA and the Central Bank while dancing to their tune.
                  it is almost impossible for a non-commodity business to survive.
                2. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 18: 42
                  +1
                  Quote: bk0010
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  I don’t remember that this state paid much attention to the needs of ordinary people.
                  And the state has nothing to do with it: the bourgeois will not miss the demand.

                  And why do I need a state that does not care about me? Which is always "nothing"?
                  Quote: bk0010
                  The consumer will pay for everything. There will be no alternative.

                  Does that mean I still have to pay? What would the next friends of the "galley slave" get on the Forbes list? Once again I ask you, why do I need such a state?
                  Quote: bk0010
                  If we wanted to develop the industry, we would have developed it long ago.
                  Why develop it for the sake of it: who will buy our goods?

                  What a convenient excuse.)))) And who buys Chinese goods?
                  1. bk0010
                    bk0010 16 January 2022 21: 51
                    0
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    And why do I need a state that does not care about me? Which is always "nothing"?
                    Well, that's up to you. This has nothing to do with the original question.
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    Does that mean I still have to pay?
                    Well, who? Do you think someone else will pay for you? No, if you don't want to, don't buy, live without goods...
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    What a convenient excuse.)))) And who buys Chinese goods?
                    And the Chinese have already occupied the niche of cheap goods. To compete with them you will have to trade below cost. Try to take quality? We do not have enough money for advertising to promote our products, even if they are of high quality, on the global market. Yes, and they will not let them in, they will announce the next sanctions and that's it.
                    And in general, why are you making such claims to me? "The question is not on shoulder straps" as they say. On such matters, try to call the government to account.
                    1. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 22: 09
                      +1
                      Quote: bk0010
                      On such matters, try to call the government to account.

                      Good advice.)))) There will be suggestions on how to do this? As far as I remember, the article on extremism has not yet been canceled.))))
                      Quote: bk0010
                      And the Chinese have already occupied the niche of cheap goods.

                      At the dawn of capitalism, the Germans occupied this niche. No one will pass this niche, everyone started that way. And good Chinese goods are by no means cheap.
        2. aglet
          aglet 17 January 2022 09: 29
          +1
          "then within a couple of years there will be a lot of jobs"
          are you talking about the invisible hand of the market? Jobs do not appear on their own, they need to be created. sanctions against us were not introduced yesterday, but there were no more jobs, up to 25 million, well, very far away, not everyone can live
  25. AML
    AML 16 January 2022 09: 47
    0
    And it will be very funny if China takes the side of the Russian Federation. Then exactly who won and who lost will become a very big question. We will last a decade on the current stocks of new and used equipment. If anyone thinks that China will not dare, then why not? They solve a bunch of problems in one fell swoop.
    1. V means B
      V means B 16 January 2022 11: 09
      +8
      And it will be even more fun if China does not take the side of the Russian Federation.) Even during the Soviet Union, it was like that.
      1. alekseykabanets
        alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 12: 00
        +5
        Quote: V is for B
        And it will be even more fun if China does not take the side of the Russian Federation.) Even during the Soviet Union, it was like that.

        And why should China take the side of the sub-state with 1.5% of world GDP and the African purchasing power of the population?
        1. PavelV
          PavelV 16 January 2022 14: 27
          +7
          You yourself answered this question, in fact.
          According to military indicators, Russia is now No. 3. In terms of energy, too.
          And the main advantage of power number 3, an advantage that powers number 2 and number 1 do not have (as of now - China and the United States, respectively) - this is exactly what powers number 1 and number 2 fear that the sharp "maneuver" of the power number 3 towards the first or second - will sharply and unfavorably change the balance. That is, the movement of the Russian Federation towards China will scare the United States, towards the USA - China.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 January 2022 17: 18
          -6
          If that Russia is included in 16 countries that create 60% of world GDP - here is the "Understate" for you with the African purchasing power of the population? Do you really know what the purchasing power of the population in Africa is - how it was calculated - just don’t say that they just compared salaries in dollar terms with them and with us.
          1. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 18: 34
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            If that Russia is included in 16 countries that create 60% of world GDP

            Yeah, from this percentage increased?
            Quote: Vadim237
            here's "Understate" for you

            Let's look at foreign policy "successes"? Population decline, a million a year? More than halving the number of beds? The degradation of education? Percentage of inventions suggest, relative to the US or China? Is this a state that cares about its people? List more?
            Quote: Vadim237
            African purchasing power of the population?

            Can you imagine the standard of living of the population in the outback? Average salaries from Rosstat? Yeah.)))))
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 January 2022 19: 10
              -3
              The degradation of education? Yes, such degradation - in all international disciplines, teams occupy prize-winning places, and ten years ago it was a matter of not taking anything at these competitions at all.
              Percentage of inventions suggest, relative to the US or China? From the number of inventions - patents, it’s neither cold nor hot - since most of them will remain unrealized, but there are only a few really breakthrough ones - what’s the use of the number of patents if they don’t get to practical use. Population decline, a million a year? And what can the state do with this, that it has a cure for old age and all diseases, can it eat some kind of pill so that the population would give birth more?
              Can you imagine the standard of living of the population in the outback? Average salaries from Rosstat? Yeah. I imagine and people live with us there much better than in the same hinterland of African countries, despite the fact that African countries have a tropical climate. And Rosstat considers salaries across the country, focusing only on PF reporting, and in it, as everyone knows, employers indicate the minimum wage.
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 17 January 2022 23: 26
                0
                Quote: Vadim237
                The degradation of education? Yes, such degradation - in all international disciplines, teams occupy prize-winning places, and ten years ago it was a matter of not taking anything at these competitions at all.

                Do you yourself believe this nonsense that you wrote? What do I care about the students of paid and elite schools? You will compare the current GEF program with the program of Soviet schools, compare the number of hours of mathematics and Russian. Just look at the posts in contacts and classmates. Now they are not even forced to learn theorems, such as not necessarily. How is it to write an essay about conscience with the requirement to meet 15 sentences? There is no need to replace the education of the nation with the success of elite children.
                Quote: Vadim237
                From the number of inventions - patents, as it is neither cold nor hot

                I don’t even know what to answer.)))))) This is a general indicator of the state of science, if you are not in the know, but you obviously are not in the know.))))) Look back and read what this indicator was during the USSR.
                Quote: Vadim237
                Population decline, a million a year? And what can the state do with this, that it has a cure for old age and all diseases, can it eat some kind of pill so that the population would give birth more?

                Are you healthy at all? It is a direct duty of the state to ensure a decent existence of citizens, and not to do so in such a way that a family that has given birth to a second child immediately falls into the category of the poor.
          2. Bolt cutter
            Bolt cutter 16 January 2022 20: 16
            +2
            Russia is one of 16 countries that create 60% of world GDP
            The rating is far-fetched - Vanuatu is included in 17 countries that create 60% of world GDP. Only it doesn't really mean anything, it just sounds cool sad
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 17 January 2022 19: 13
              -4
              No, this list includes those countries whose GDP is more than a trillion in dollar terms. So Vanuatu, like all the remaining 180 countries, is flying by.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 January 2022 17: 13
        -6
        Now is not the time of the union - everything has changed, talk about now and not about what happened decades ago.
    2. vl903
      vl903 16 January 2022 11: 48
      +2
      Quote: AML
      And it will be very funny if China takes the side of the Russian Federation. Then exactly who won and who lost will become a very big question. We will last a decade on the current stocks of new and used equipment. If anyone thinks that China will not dare, then why not? They solve a bunch of problems in one fell swoop.

      China, of course, is an order of magnitude, and maybe several orders of magnitude, more self-sufficient than the Russian Federation, but even it is not yet self-sufficient.
      even the United States is not 100% self-sufficient
  26. Sergey3
    Sergey3 16 January 2022 09: 47
    +5
    It's time to do it good Until we are banned from Windows, we will not have our own lol This is firstly, Secondly, show me the person who has a licensed Windows, it is hacked in a million different ways. The threat not to sell dishwashers here is especially amusing! Show me at least one store household appliances from the USA (that is, physically brought from the USA! And not a marketing ploy). For those who are in the tank, I explain that it has long been 70% produced in Russia there, the rest is China. It is not profitable to transport a refrigerator even from China, far away, it is easier to assemble it in Russia. The only thing that is not assembled in Russia is smartphones and I don't understand why at all.
    1. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 10: 15
      +2
      It looks like you are in a tank and do not understand that the ban on the export of US technology will also affect imports from China. And as for the ban, it will generally lead to a collapse throughout the country. Pirate Windows is used mainly at home. Take off your rose-colored glasses.
    2. alekseykabanets
      alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 12: 04
      +2
      Quote: Sergey3
      Until we are banned from Windows, we will not have our own

      Do you write comments with linux? And if not, why haven't they moved to it yet?
      Quote: Sergey3
      For those who are in the tank, I explain that it has long been 70% produced in Russia there,

      Overhead assembly you mean? And where will you get the parts?
      1. Sergey3
        Sergey3 16 January 2022 15: 43
        -1
        It is physically impossible to turn off Windows for everyone at once, you can only officially prohibit it from being legally sold on the territory of Russia, and then squeal to the whole world that bad Russia illegally uses Windows. Only very limited people, victims of the Unified State Examination, are afraid of this. If I personally turn off Windows right now with some bookmark, this will create inconvenience for me for a maximum of half an hour, in the worst case for an hour, then everything will work, and I myself, on you, Alexey, will earn. Although I'm not a programmer. Degradation of society on the face. In the late 90s and early 2000s, every student knew how to assemble a computer with his own hands and roll Windows from the BIOS. Computers have not become more complicated, absolutely all the same components!!! And by the way, DOS, as it worked, is still working, you can take a textbook from the early 90s and use it to work on most brands of personal computers. And you, Alexander, I sympathize!!
        And as for "where to get components", at least you know that all serious electronics in the world are produced using the technology of Novosibirsk State University. I emphasize the State. All Intel processors are manufactured using its technology! Our world is interconnected in such a way that if you shoot someone with sanctions, you will definitely hit yourself!
        1. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 16 January 2022 17: 00
          +2
          Quote: Sergey3
          and I myself, on you, Alexey, will earn

          I smiled.))) I, and my whole family, respectively, have linux, about 15 years old, and Windows is only on a virtual machine, if I don’t want to put Vine on the machine.)))
          Quote: Sergey3
          Degradation of society on the face. In the late 90s and early 2000s, every student knew how to assemble a computer with his own hands and roll Windows from the BIOS.

          Totally agree with you! And even earlier, any, even mediocre, radio amateur could assemble a computer from the Radio magazine (as an example) and drive toys, print on a dot matrix printer, etc.
          Quote: Sergey3
          And by the way, DOS, as it worked, still works,

          How much will you now fight with DOS (in a figurative sense)?
          Quote: Sergey3
          all serious electronics in the world is produced according to the technology of Novosibirsk State University. I emphasize the State. All Intel processors are manufactured using its technology!

          From this place can be more?
          Quote: Sergey3
          It is physically impossible to turn off Windows for everyone at once,

          You can stop updating it, but this is also solvable. In general, you need to use an open source OS and support developments under the GNU license at the state level, and everything else is from the evil one!

          Threat Previously, there was a domestic semiconductor element base, from simple logic to processors, not much inferior to Western ones, but today this is not there and with the existing system it will never be, unfortunately.
          1. Pankrat25
            Pankrat25 17 January 2022 07: 14
            +4
            I confess, I was mistaken, not Novosibirsk, but Nizhny Novgorod. The development of the optical system and its elements for photolithographic installations operating at this wavelength, and the prototype of the installation itself, is being developed at the Institute of Physics of Microstructures (IMF) of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Nizhny Novgorod, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Nikolai Salashchenko. The radiation source is being created under the guidance of leading researcher Konstantin Koshelev at the Institute of Spectroscopy (ISAN) of the Russian Academy of Sciences in Troitsk, Moscow Region. And ultra-precise positioning systems, which can also be used in photolithographic installations, are handled by the Amfora Laboratory in Moscow.
            https://www.politforums.net/economics/1640515750.html
            https://habr.com/ru/company/dcmiran/blog/490682/
            https://videoelektronic.livejournal.com/473441.html
            1. aglet
              aglet 17 January 2022 09: 42
              0
              how much bukof. and what about the exhaust, is there a result, except for piece Baikals and Elbrus thirty years old? and intel has
              1. Pankrat25
                Pankrat25 18 January 2022 07: 31
                0
                Where did my previous comment go? I didn't delete it.
                1. aglet
                  aglet 18 January 2022 09: 46
                  0
                  "By the way, where did my previous comment go? I didn't delete it"
                  did not take, honestly!
        2. aglet
          aglet 17 January 2022 09: 38
          +1
          "All Intel processors are made using its technology!"
          even if this is true, which I deeply doubt, they have long since been sold and stolen. and at least one Intel processor is produced near this State? it’s not enough to think up, you have to do it, do a lot, do it yourself, and then sell it to the same Intel
          1. Pankrat25
            Pankrat25 18 January 2022 07: 29
            0
            Each new technological process is created in Russia, then sold to the Swiss, who produce equipment based on it. Now Intel is already selling the 13th generation of its processors. If there are sanctions in this area, the 14th generation will simply not appear wassat
            1. aglet
              aglet 18 January 2022 09: 47
              +1
              "Each new process is created in Russia"
              in what place it is created, do not tell me?
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 January 2022 17: 20
        -5
        Localization is everywhere - there is almost no screwdriver left.
    3. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 16 January 2022 21: 30
      +1
      The tool is imported from the USA. In the 2000s, I bought a Forstner drill for personal use from Washington with the address of the manufacturer kirkland, wa, usa; so it's not a long Lend-Lease echo. The label of the case is still readable, and there are fresh customs declarations on the Internet.
  27. KCA
    KCA 16 January 2022 09: 50
    -3
    One-time shutdown of Windows, how is it? The bucket is still okay, it is tied to a Google account, although it takes 5 minutes to get rid of it. Block xNIX? Strong statement. No, you can get to one machine, but how can you disable it everywhere, especially if the computer is not connected to the external Internet, how can you disable Win95? How to disable my pirate 7-ku, which, although connected to the Internet, but auto-update is turned off from the moment of installation, I have such a habit, after installation, turn off all processes and services that I do not need in Windows
    1. vl903
      vl903 16 January 2022 10: 10
      +5
      Quote: KCA
      One-time shutdown of Windows, how is it? The bucket is still okay, it is tied to a Google account, although it takes 5 minutes to get rid of it. Block xNIX? Strong statement. No, you can get to one machine, but how can you disable it everywhere, especially if the computer is not connected to the external Internet, how can you disable Win95? How to disable my pirate 7-ku, which, although connected to the Internet, but auto-update is turned off from the moment of installation, I have such a habit, after installation, turn off all processes and services that I do not need in Windows

      you are talking about visible updates. and can apply "bookmarks". in complex technology, bookmarks often even have their own separate communication channel. sometimes they even put zhps on the machines. dragged a kilometer away from the contract and the machine died.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 January 2022 17: 24
        -4
        In complex technology, bookmarks often even have their own separate communication channel "- Show a diagram of at least one such device bookmark with a separate communication channel, preferably in a photo from any complex equipment, I really want to see this invisible and not defined by anyone.
        1. vl903
          vl903 16 January 2022 18: 31
          -1
          Quote: Vadim237
          In complex technology, bookmarks often even have their own separate communication channel "- Show a diagram of at least one such device bookmark with a separate communication channel, preferably in a photo from any complex equipment, I really want to see this invisible and not defined by anyone.

          well, if it's easier for you to live, hide your head in the sand and consider that this does not exist
          what I know is telephone exchanges, both cellular and conventional, high-node IT hardware, etc. if the Americans put it there, then they also put it in other iron. iron can be cut down both programmatically and physically fail.
          and this is not a separate device but part of a microcircuit
        2. aglet
          aglet 17 January 2022 09: 49
          +1
          "In complex technology, bookmarks often even have their own separate communication channel"
          not quite long ago, in the Crimea, bourgeois compressors were turned off on the Internet - they installed them in the wrong place where they bought them. By the way, who knows whether they got them or not, otherwise I digress? and turn off the computer under the Internet - how to send a couple of bytes
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 17 January 2022 19: 21
            -1
            Gazprom refused to use them - and by agreement with the manufacturer, they were turned off, there was no self-made shutdown there.
            1. aglet
              aglet 17 January 2022 21: 17
              0
              "Gazprom refused to use them - and by agreement with the manufacturer they were turned off"
              that's what they say now. at that time they spoke in a completely different way - they say sanctions on the Crimea. where are these compressors now, do you know?
    2. El Chuvachino
      El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 10: 11
      +6
      Bookmarks. And in the gland itself. And the fact that you have a disabled button for updates somewhere in the interface does not mean that it really will not suck anything from the network. And no one uses win95 anymore.

      But that's not even the point, the problem is that you try everything on yourself. You have a pirated, and many have a license, especially corporations that work on this OS. Such shutdowns will lead to a crisis never seen before.
      1. KCA
        KCA 16 January 2022 10: 16
        -8
        Can you imagine how the reputation of Microsoft, Google, Intel, AMD, etc. will fall. if it happens? Every company, yes, what is there, every country, will think - what if tomorrow I am like this? The shares of everyone and everything will collapse below the plinth, the crisis will be right
        1. El Chuvachino
          El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 10: 19
          +8
          I represent. It won't fall at all. The whole world is sitting on this and there is nothing to replace at the moment. And it will only tremble more with fear, as if they had not been treated like this.
          1. Vadim237
            Vadim237 16 January 2022 17: 30
            -6
            It won’t fall - all these offices where such jokes with self-demolition will be found by the courts will be dragged by consumers themselves, but they will definitely lose profits and customers, and this will only benefit their competitors. No one will sit and shake from fear.
            1. vl903
              vl903 16 January 2022 18: 37
              +1
              no one is talking about this topic. the whole world, except for China and the Russian Federation, is under the control and jurisdiction and power structures of the United States.
              and if you don’t understand, then either your relatives will disappear, or it will turn out that you raped a child 30 years ago and they will quickly sue you and take everything away. which has happened more than once.
              so the manufacturer cannot refuse such an offer.
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 17 January 2022 19: 26
                -1
                Yes, yes, tell tales how remotely shutting down hundreds of millions of computers and equipment, no one will notice or recognize around the world - in your universe you can see the whole world is blind and stupid and they don’t have the Internet with social networks and no one goes to anyone and does not communicate.
                1. vl903
                  vl903 17 January 2022 20: 17
                  0
                  Quote: Vadim237
                  Yes, yes, tell tales how remotely shutting down hundreds of millions of computers and equipment, no one will notice or recognize around the world - in your universe you can see the whole world is blind and stupid and they don’t have the Internet with social networks and no one goes to anyone and does not communicate.

                  well, it’s like an episode with a test tube ... turning off the AT & T automatic telephone exchange seems to be in Iraq ... at least they piss in their eyes, and they will bend their own ... the example of Snowden, the capture of Yugoslavia, the murder of Milosevic ... for people like you, they will also come up with an excuse and everything will be explained to you. and by the way, the Internet is also under their control, and only a schoolboy can think that everything is possible there and they won’t find anyone.
                  and turning off all communications and IT during a threatened period in a country that encroaches on the hegemony of superhumans will be received with delight by both amers and those who are under them
            2. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 21: 10
              +2
              And who will drag and why? On the contrary, they will say thank you: "Finally, they taught evil Russia a lesson, but we have democracy, they won't do that here, no, no"
              1. Vadim237
                Vadim237 17 January 2022 19: 27
                -1
                finally evil Russia was taught a lesson, but we have democracy, they won’t do that here, no, no” For small children, this will work, but for all other users in the world it won’t.
                1. vl903
                  vl903 19 January 2022 16: 08
                  0
                  learned that the NSA writes the ENTIRE Internet. and what? found out that the Tsrushniks were listening to Merkel, Macron, etc. and what? the whole world was wiped and pretended to enjoy. The only thing the Russian Federation wanted to build a network of intercity, international telephone exchanges on AT & T and after Iraq abruptly purchased 350 pieces of German EWSD.
                  but the rest of the world at least a little bit excited? No!!! everyone wiped themselves and spread their legs !!!
                  so live in your pink world further.
                  and tell everyone that any company under the jurisdiction of the United States (in fact, the whole world except for rogue countries) will happily sell you sanctioned goods. Oh well
          2. KCA
            KCA 16 January 2022 21: 02
            -1
            Windows was a pathetic hoax at the time when xNIX had the XWindow shell, I'm not saying it's a replacement, but there's no such thing as a holy place. Who saw XWindow on a normal monitor, 21'' well, on SPARC or DEC in 1991 and take out 1, 3.0, 3.1, 3.11 will say that take it out - slag
            1. El Chuvachino
              El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 21: 08
              +2
              Suppose you and I know that in a month ... no, three months, let there be a head start - in three months, Google, Microsoft, Apple, etc. services are remotely blocked on the territory of our country. Commands are sent to their OS to be corrupted and similar commands are sent from intel and amd along the iron line. cisco there.

              And what do you propose to do in 3 months in the segments of administration, security, business, consumer in the end? For many people, work and life depend on standardized or specific software, from Word 1C to television, music, editing programs (especially in Apple software). What I have listed is a drop in the ocean. How are you going to get out of this situation?
              1. KCA
                KCA 16 January 2022 21: 23
                +2
                Are you adept at Conspiracy Theory? Yes, right in every PC, not to mention the mainframe, bugs sit and gnaw on cables, camera beeches and microphones are broadcast immediately to the NSA, you can turn off everything and everyone with one sneeze, but HOW? Do you know what a firewall is? Not rag, but iron. Do you know how ANY external commands are escaped? Wander further, in your fabrications, don’t you know that such crap has been blocked for a long time, on important nodes not at all by providers, but by another structure? I know my brother gives them these black boxes
                1. El Chuvachino
                  El Chuvachino 16 January 2022 21: 24
                  -1
                  Very naive.
                  1. KCA
                    KCA 16 January 2022 21: 30
                    +1
                    Yes, and the brother receives a virtual salary, he has been doing this crap for 30 years, he started as a system administrator in the structures of Hodor, now in other structures, well, sucker, neither he nor his office understands anything, you are a beacon of knowledge, you think, a system administrator from 30- years of experience and with access to some information, and, most importantly, with constant practice in work, and not with reasoning from the couch