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The psychology of rebellion. Returning to Kazakhstan again

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The psychology of rebellion. Returning to Kazakhstan again
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Returning to Kazakhstan


I would like to return to the topic of Kazakhstan.

The other day I watched an interview with I. Strelkov, well-known to many, as well as two more invited to speak on the topic of Kazakhstan, K. Sivkov and E. Mikhailov (I don’t know, though, what they are famous for). Very interesting opinions. I won’t say what kind of channel on YouTube, whoever wants, he will find and watch.

One thing touched me in it: this is the expressed opinion that in Kazakhstan there was not just an attempt at a Maidan coup, but a real rebellion against the authorities, which no one expected. Or rather, it was expected ... by those who, in fact, planned it, but something went wrong.

And this “not so” scared everyone very much.

The Asian mentality was superimposed on the outcasts, who were the main movers of the rebellion, and away we go ... and off we go.

It was also said there that the Russian authorities did not develop a coherent policy at first, but after that they unexpectedly took the initiative into their own hands and urgently sent a rather large contingent of CSTO forces to help. Moreover, not the usual units of peacekeepers, a motorized rifle brigade or, say, a division were sent. And the units of the Airborne Forces and even the special forces of the Airborne Forces.

That is, the game went immediately with trump cards.

The main result of this conversation was that the events in Kazakhstan do not at all resemble those that occurred in Ukraine. There are, of course, many coincidences, and it seems that the tasks are the same, but the goals turned out to be different. And these goals could very well be transferred to the Russian Federation, due to the similarity of the scenario and its implementation.

Like it or not, it's hard to say, I'm not an analyst, and I'm not paid for it. Need more information and not out of the ordinary news tapes.

But my first impression coincides with the opinion of these large-caliber powerless authorities or medium-caliber ones, their caliber is a very speculative feeling.

However, there is something in it.

In one of the news videos, a woman, the owner of a jewelry store, was remembered. She brought food to the Maydanniks (or whatever they are called in Kazakh), and they (or not those, or almost those) plundered, as if to mock her, her own jewelry store a little later.

Coup of 1917


In this regard, the events of 1905 were remembered, as well as 1917, February.

There was a lot of interesting things there, and now, if not forgotten, then not protruding, even taking into account post-perestroika glasnost.

For example, the main mover of the revolution of 1917 was by no means the peasants, who for the most part did not understand what was happening at all, and not the workers, who were very few, and not all of them suffered from revolutionary disease.

The main contingent was just such ladies who wanted the revolution for themselves and suffered from it like a fashionable disease.

And then there were oligarchs and government officials, and then there was bribery and so on, however, as in any country, and at any time, not excluding the valiant USSR, which hid everything under the brand name of special shops and special distributors, as well as the appointment of the right people to leadership positions .

But the victims were actually the same people who are now crying about the plundered property, they, in fact, then lost everything, and many of their lives.

It all started then, just as it does now, with the betrayal of a part of the elite.

The conspiracy involved the Grand Dukes, Generals Alekseev and Ruzsky, industrialists Ryabushinsky, Tereshchenko, Konovalov, liberals from various parties like Guchkov and Milyukov, and others, but already from abroad.

The result, in principle, everyone knows. Only, comrades and gentlemen, it is not the intellectuals who create the rebellion, they only plan it - but the city bottom. And in order to manage it, one must either be a genius, or fully know this environment and this mentality, and even have a certain temperament that is more suitable for an adventurer.

You can say - revolutionary sailors, but this is a generalization, and, as elsewhere, revolutionary sailors are divided into many categories, and those of them who first shot at naval officers did not belong to the best of them, alas: it was so, so it is it'll be this way forever.

In the Russian Empire there was a terrible curse - Asiatic. They were branded, as with a seal, anyone who allowed himself unseemly acts, from the point of view of an educated person.

And what do you think the first thing the crowd rushed to do in February 1917?

Correctly…

Shoot the police, attack their sites and prisons. Someone started a rumor that in the attics and in the corner houses, at the crossroads, policemen with machine guns sat down. To kill means the people, by order. And the fun began!

In many books, both the 1917 edition and later, it is indicated that even boys and old women hunted policemen, calling them pharaohs (a nickname hitherto unknown to the police officers). And having caught, they literally tore them apart, beating them to death, but the revolution was bloodless. So it was stated, at least officially.

The funny thing is that the information about machine guns was not confirmed, neither then nor now.

After the murder of bailiffs, police officers and other gendarmes, the crowd, in which there were very few soldiers and workers, and even more so peasants, rushed to smash shops and liquor stores. More precisely - warehouses, because there was a dry law since 1914.

What happened next, in principle, you can see in the news about Kazakhstan.

Switching to the side of the enemy, lack of will, waiting, amorphous babble: how could it be, but we did not wait.

Everyone talks about color revolutions, forgetting that the first of them, in essence, took place in our country in 1905.

The Great French and others were still different from ours.

The second rehearsal took place in 1910 in Portugal, but also the third, additional, in February 1917.

And I ask you, comrades, not to be confused: even in the Bolshevik press no later than 1930, the October Revolution was referred to as the October Revolution. That is, in Russia there was only the February Revolution of 1917.

By the way, I partly stumbled upon the explanation of the bestial cruelty of the crowd in February 1917, and later too.

At that time, drugs were not prohibited, and morphine and cocaine were very common and were sold even in pharmacies.

There were so-called "marafets" and, in fact, "marafet", that is, cocaine mixed with various associated rubbish.

And there was the famous "Baltic tea" - the same cocaine, only taken internally with vodka, it was used by sailors and many naval officers too.

The result of taking drugs, in principle, is obvious.

And this is another cobblestone in the garden of the uprising. Any uprising.

color riot


So not everything is a color revolution that starts like this. And rebellion, after all, it can be different, mostly terrible, but more often - ugly.

And finally, purely for reflection, the words of A. A. Bublikov, written in 1918 in exile in the USA. The golden words of an educated person who committed meanness to his own country.

“The eternal dream of a truly Russian person is a sense of justice, the desire for something high. To the fact that he himself often does not understand that he is terribly far away, but about which he once heard from no one knows. He strives for the highest ideals, not realizing that they exist only in his imagination.

There is only one thing that can be said about any revolution, which I understood from many memoirs I re-read.

A Russian person, namely Russian or living entirely by Russian culture without imposing his national mentality on him (and I emphasize this - according to his mentality), thinks that all people will change for the better if they live by the truth, by the law, by the rules , under communism.

But reality constantly dips the face of its best representatives in the dirt, and they die misunderstood by their own people, looking through the ideological blinders invented by people experienced in deception. Human nature does not allow many to step over their desires.

Lust, greed, the desire for fame, comfort, and exaltation over others cross out all the actions of its best representatives. They lie down in the ground one after another, flooding it with their blood, and on it, without hesitation and without trying to change anything for the better, those who always stand behind their backs, those who want change, but not for everyone, but for themselves personally.

Those who are skilled at manipulating others, those who come up with theories, those who know what they want and know what everyone else wants. Not all of them are public, not all are recognizable, but all of them are always and everywhere in power. They fight with people like them for power, destroying each other, and presenting it to everyone else as a struggle for a brighter future.

They are remembered, they are admired, they are idolized, not understanding what they are leading the country to. Fooled, slandered, living by faith in what will never be, the best and the worst continue to rise under colorful banners, helping others to seize power for themselves.

The crowd is faceless, the crowd is amorphous, the crowd is cruel, it does not know how to think, it is sick with action, it needs movement in any direction, the desire to do.

But each of them is a separate individual.

So why does everyone strive to go where there is no road, and where no one has ever been?

Why does everyone with such fury defend the ideals invented once and by someone, without thinking about them and not realizing that they are unattainable.

And that is why you always need to think, you always need to compare, so as not to make one more mistake, more and more, because each of them may turn out to be the last or fatal.

Sometimes I don’t know how to think, sometimes I feel something that I can’t explain, but I know that it will happen, it will definitely happen, and then my heart aches in hopeless longing for the lost.

I personally feel sorry for all those Russian people who fell into the ground forever, for the sake of other people's aspirations, everyone: soldiers, peasants, aristocrats, intellectuals, workers, clergymen. All those who will never be returned, who longed to change their country for the better, but paid for it with their blood, but did not achieve what they wanted.

Something that can never be achieved, what those who organized it all knew about.

To all of them, slandered, cursed and forgotten, an eternal requiem. May we not repeat what once happened in 1917 ...

And Kazakhstan...

Let Kazakhstan serve as a warning to those who do not understand what it is doing and for whom. They have their own destiny and their own karma.


Introduction. Drawing by Boris Kustodiev. 1905
The State Tretyakov Gallery
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  1. Pavel57
    Pavel57 14 January 2022 11: 16
    +5
    The essence of mass man, alas, is sad. Hence the ideal society is a utopia.
    1. Civil
      Civil 14 January 2022 12: 36
      +27
      The main thing is people's dissatisfaction. Nobody wants to meet the needs of the population. From this there is a split, for 3 years I have been warning about the consequences. You can write as much as you want about "20 terrorists" in Kazakhstan or "20 Polish intelligence agents" in Belarus, but this does not solve social problems.
      Rising prices for everything, low wages, lack of rights. Even the reasons lie on the surface. It feels like people are deliberately driven to rebellion.
      1. dorz
        dorz 14 January 2022 13: 07
        +15
        ... I personally feel sorry for all those Russian people who lay down in the ground forever, for the sake of strangers ...



        Just numbers:

        179 million people were supposed to live in Russia now. Kazakhstan has increased the population of the country by 17%, Uzbekistan has increased its population by 69% in 30 years ... sad
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 17: 30
          .
          My dear, if we had not had a revolution and a civil war, then our population would have been 500 million, and the entire Caucasus would have been assimilated. 50% of Russians and 20% of Russian speakers would live in Kazakhstan. And the Second World War in general would be possible that it would not have happened.
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 14 January 2022 17: 56
            +12
            our population would be 500 million

            Do you refer to Mendeleev?
            1. Alexey RU64
              14 January 2022 19: 35
              .
              On Newton. Russian culture is no less toxic than American culture. And Hitler also talked about Slavic fertility. But given the wave of emigration, the Civil War, typhus, the peasant uprisings of 1920, their suppression by famine. The Holodomor of the 30s, a mediocre war won with huge casualties and losses of territories, and then their return with a completely destroyed infrastructure, then that’s what it comes out to.
              1. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 14 January 2022 22: 16
                +9
                And Hitler talked about Slavic fertility
                Wow you have sources belay ... Hitler talked a lot.
                1. Alexey RU64
                  14 January 2022 22: 35
                  -4
                  Yes, ten children were absolutely normal in the village.
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 14 January 2022 22: 36
                    +14
                    How long did you live to adulthood?
                    1. Alexey RU64
                      14 January 2022 22: 57
                      .
                      Sorry, I didn't specifically look for it. But subsidies for medicine were constantly added and the zemstvo doctor, doesn’t tell you anything? Child mortality has fallen. Yes, and in the USSR it did not suffer much from this, it also happened. But once you asked a question, you provide data, and at the same time crush me with arguments. Probably...
                      1. Bolt cutter
                        Bolt cutter 14 January 2022 22: 58
                        +6
                        at the same time crush me with arguments.
                        And I need it?
              2. fif21
                fif21 14 January 2022 22: 30
                +14
                Quote: Alexey RU64
                . Russian culture is no less toxic than American

                Not knowing the history of one's country leads to a distorted analysis of modern history. 1. The riot of 1905 - "Bloody Sunday" in St. Petersburg and a spontaneous armed uprising in Moscow. 2. The bourgeois revolution of 1917 (February), the abdication of Nicholas 2 from power, and the arrival of Kerensky in 1917 (October) hunger (women's) riots in St. Petersburg supported by workers and sailors and led by the Bolsheviks. And if 1905 is a rebellion (there was no transition from one system to another, then February 1917 is the transition from monarchy to capitalism, October 1917 is the transition from capitalism to socialism.)
                These are revolutions. If we compare the events in Kazakhstan, then they can only be compared with the uprising of 1905. There were no political demands (political parties did not lead, and did not lead the protest movement), there were peaceful economic demands, compromised by crime. And just as in 1905, it was not representatives of the authorities who came out to the people, so in Kazakhstan, the authorities hid behind the security forces. And no matter how much you frighten the people, the poor people have nothing to lose. And tightening the nuts, as a rule, leads to the breakdown of the thread. hi
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                  1. fif21
                    fif21 14 January 2022 22: 51
                    +9
                    Quote: Alexey RU64
                    In 1905, entire armed detachments were active.

                    And what does it change? The peaceful demands of the people, the authorities brought to armed protests and drowned in blood (Nikolashka bloody) a stigma for centuries. Smart people learn from the mistakes of others, not smart people from their own. hi
                    1. Alexey RU64
                      14 January 2022 22: 55
                      .
                      Okay, I need to write an article on this topic. There are even books, but who reads them? But they read the posts, they will have to carry out educational program according to Lenin. By the way, I have all the editions of the newspaper Pravda for 1917, can you imagine I bought the money, I didn’t regret it to prove to people like you. And you did not hold them in your hands.
                      1. fif21
                        fif21 14 January 2022 23: 00
                        +10
                        Quote: Alexey RU64
                        By the way, I have all the issues of the newspaper Pravda for 1917,

                        I’m not a magician! laughing Does this mean the history of the Kazakh protests, in 100 years will they be studied from videos from Tik Tok and YouTube? hi
                      2. fif21
                        fif21 14 January 2022 23: 04
                        +5
                        Quote: Alexey RU64
                        By the way, I have all the issues of the newspaper Pravda for 1917,

                        Or maybe all the same the newspaper was called "Iskra"? Or am I confusing something? hi
                      3. Alexey RU64
                        15 January 2022 08: 51
                        -1
                        That's it, you don't have to ask anything further. Iskra is another newspaper and at another time. And the first Bolshevik newspapers were Vperyod and Proletary. Naturally, you, like 99% of the population, know only Iskra or Pravda ...
                      4. fif21
                        fif21 15 January 2022 13: 24
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexey RU64
                        know only the Spark or the Truth...

                        The discussion was about 1905 - until that year, the newspaper Iskra was published. The truth was published since 1912 and was closed by the tsarist secret police. It was published again in 1917. Neither newspaper was purely Bolshevik. And for completeness of the events taking place, you can read the newspaper "Vedomosti". All this is on the Internet. Learn the mat part. hi
                2. Civil
                  Civil 15 January 2022 18: 56
                  +1
                  Quote: fif21
                  Quote: Alexey RU64
                  . Russian culture is no less toxic than American

                  Not knowing the history of one's country leads to a distorted analysis of modern history. 1. The riot of 1905 - "Bloody Sunday" in St. Petersburg and a spontaneous armed uprising in Moscow. 2. The bourgeois revolution of 1917 (February), the abdication of Nicholas 2 from power, and the arrival of Kerensky in 1917 (October) hunger (women's) riots in St. Petersburg supported by workers and sailors and led by the Bolsheviks. And if 1905 is a rebellion (there was no transition from one system to another, then February 1917 is the transition from monarchy to capitalism, October 1917 is the transition from capitalism to socialism.)
                  These are revolutions. If we compare the events in Kazakhstan, then they can only be compared with the uprising of 1905. There were no political demands (political parties did not lead, and did not lead the protest movement), there were peaceful economic demands, compromised by crime. And just as in 1905, it was not representatives of the authorities who came out to the people, so in Kazakhstan, the authorities hid behind the security forces. And no matter how much you frighten the people, the poor people have nothing to lose. And tightening the nuts, as a rule, leads to the breakdown of the thread. hi

                  Great, but they don’t understand and probably won’t understand already ... age, position ... however, the population is also very old ...
          2. bk0010
            bk0010 15 January 2022 00: 54
            +8
            Quote: Alexey RU64
            My dear, if we had not had a revolution and a civil war, then our population would have been 500 million
            No: the peasant community divided the land in proportion to the size of the families. As soon as the community would be destroyed (which was what Stolypin was doing) or the land would change its meaning (collectivization, industrialization, etc.), they would stop giving birth so recklessly.
          3. ivan2022
            ivan2022 15 January 2022 01: 38
            +5
            Quote: Alexey RU64
            My dear, if we had not had a revolution and a civil war

            Dear, if you really read Mendeleev’s forecast, you would know that not for Russia, but for the USA, he predicted 500 million . In fact, in the USSR by the end of the 90s, the population was larger (about 300 million) than in the United States. In this he was right, at least qualitatively.

            And further ; Unfortunately, Mendeleev was once ordered from the government by completely idiotic, useless calculations for a hundred years ahead, which even today no one undertakes to do ....
          4. Sergey M. Karasev
            Sergey M. Karasev 16 January 2022 09: 11
            0
            And the Second World War in general would be possible that it would not have happened.

            It is doubtful that, having avoided the revolution, we would have turned away from the Second World War, but we would have lost it with a much greater probability.
      2. zenion
        zenion 15 January 2022 17: 21
        +1
        Civil. According to the author of the article, this did not happen either in 1905 or in 1917. Everything was there, but something was missing. In general, according to his concepts - the people, that is, meat, sorry mass. And the mass moves in the direction of least resistance. In general, when even one skin is torn off from the mass, it hurts, but if it is torn off, not because they need the skin, but because the rulers like it. I’ll tear the skin off you and you won’t be able to do anything to me, this is already too much. Here, even stupid ones start up and shout - stop mocking. And about the jewelry store is as true as severed heads.
    2. Smoker
      Smoker 14 January 2022 12: 46
      +2
      To the author of the article: you and this article are already being discussed in LJ wink
      https://dzecko.livejournal.com/942932.html
      1. Alexey RU64
        14 January 2022 19: 33
        -1
        I'm like Sasha Borodach. Do not hega yourself.
  2. Ingvar 72
    Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 11: 21
    +7
    One thing touched me in it: this is the expressed opinion that in Kazakhstan there was not just an attempt at a Maidan coup, but a real rebellion against the authorities
    The same is said by Platoshkin, Potapenko, and many honest people of leftist views. The first days there was a really peaceful protest, but then muddy individuals appeared, distributing alcohol and calling for pogroms.
    Radicalization and pogroms were beneficial to the authorities in the first place.
    And the problem is that the people were simply crushed by force, tightening the spring of discontent even more strongly. I have repeatedly said that I am against the introduction of troops, because this is a disservice to the Russian population of Kazakhstan.
    Now the people are angry, but they understand that they will not get through to the authorities. And the Russian neighbors, here they are, nearby, it was their troops, in the understanding of ordinary Kazakhs, that prevented them from overthrowing the government. And the spring will unfold precisely in the direction of the Russian population.
    PS But how many slogans with conditions were there - Baikonur, the Russian language, US laboratories. Well, are you tired?
    1. Nastia makarova
      Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 11: 49
      +1
      in all post-Soviet countries, a biased attitude towards Russians, except for Belarus
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 11: 58
        0
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        in all post-Soviet countries, a biased attitude towards Russians, except for Belarus

        Aldeady no. Russian people live quietly in the Baltics, despite the processions of old farts-SS legionnaires.
        1. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 12: 42
          -1
          yes, they live quietly in Kazakhstan and live in Ukraine, but still there is a bias
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 12: 51
            +4
            Bias where there is social disorder. For locals always blame strangers for their troubles first. You don't have to go far, just look at how the media took up the promotion of the topic of migrants, and at the same time, the authorities facilitate their import.
            1. Nastia makarova
              Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 13: 03
              -2
              the problem is not gaster, but that they stay here for permanent residence
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 13: 13
                +3
                So no one argues. And they are also convenient for the authorities, being a red rag for the locals.
                In general, problems with gastro workers are easily solved - the migration legislation of the countries of the Middle East. Everything is simpler than simple, but our government needs something else.
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 14: 07
                  0
                  what is the legislation there? there are a lot of migrants who only plow for rich Arabs
                  1. Ingvar 72
                    Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 14: 21
                    +5
                    Yes Nastya, plow. But they have no chance to become citizens. They all pay taxes regularly, and if a worker breaks the law even once, he will be expelled and will not even enter there on a tourist visa.
              2. carpenter
                carpenter 14 January 2022 13: 21
                +6
                Quote: Nastia Makarova
                the problem is not gaster, but that they stay here for permanent residence

                Under the USSR, we were all "gaster", we all dispersed and lived throughout the USSR, and in the RSFSR there lived many of those who are now called "gaster for permanent residence", but there were no such compatriots as now and national strife. Although now the former USSR is divided into three groups of the population: natives, occupiers and guest workers.
                1. Nastia makarova
                  Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 14: 08
                  +3
                  what gasters if all were citizens of the same country
        2. Old Michael
          Old Michael 14 January 2022 14: 32
          +6
          No longer.

          And in Belarus, not everything is clear. There are many of my former colleagues, smart adults (with Russian, by the way, passports), raising bulbs and grandchildren (at least two of these grandchildren are now studying in Russian military universities). We communicate. But even they don’t, no, but something like “well, we are still Europe, and Russia is gradually slipping into Asianism” slips!
          hi
          1. Nastia makarova
            Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 15: 30
            +3
            there is such a thing, but this does not mean that Belarusians treat Russians badly
            1. Old Michael
              Old Michael 14 January 2022 16: 54
              +6
              but this does not mean that Belarusians treat Russians badly


              It's not about a bad attitude, but about building some psychological "separators". This is a wake up call...
              hi
        3. Sergey M. Karasev
          Sergey M. Karasev 16 January 2022 09: 23
          0
          And for a long time they have abolished the concept of "non-citizen"?
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 16 January 2022 09: 45
            0
            Quote: Sergey Karasev
            And for a long time they have abolished the concept of "non-citizen"?

            As far as I know, Sergei was not abolished. That does not prevent the Russian people to live and work there peacefully. And even elected heads of municipalities. There are restrictions, sort of like with elections at a higher level. hi
            1. Sergey M. Karasev
              Sergey M. Karasev 16 January 2022 14: 39
              +2
              So, it still remains. And when the average standard of living begins to decline specifically, they will immediately begin to look for extreme ones. And it will be "Negros". For example, they will be declared Putin's agents of influence.
              1. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 16 January 2022 14: 43
                +1
                Quote: Sergey Mikhailovich Karasev
                And when the average standard of living begins to decline specifically, they will immediately begin to look for extreme ones.

                Naturally, Sergey, this principle works absolutely everywhere. Moreover, it is beneficial to the authorities, the lightning rod is ready. The question is how much the standard of living must fall in order to start looking for the extreme. hi
      2. Alexey RU64
        14 January 2022 12: 19
        -3
        Long gone. A woman who came from there in 2002 personally told me that Russians are not liked there either. I was shocked. Now it's all covered up. They are Russians themselves, but like this.
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 12: 42
          +1
          Quote: Alexey RU64
          Long gone. I was personally told by a woman who came from there in 2002,

          20 years have passed, dear author. I have a cousin living in Tallinn, and she is in no hurry to go to Russia. Own apartment, stable job. Medical insurance is much better.
          In addition, the Internet is full of videos filmed by Russians who went there for permanent residence. hi
          1. carpenter
            carpenter 14 January 2022 13: 28
            0
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            I have a cousin living in Tallinn, and she is in no hurry to go to Russia.

            Although electricity is 10 times more expensive than in Russia, and gas is 20 times more expensive, but for some reason the people sit silently and do not go anywhere. It’s easier for me, the prices for heating from the oil churn are the same, and I pay 20 euros for electricity instead of 10 euros. And how much does one need.
        2. Nastia makarova
          Nastia makarova 14 January 2022 12: 44
          +5
          They don't like it in Belarus? I have a lot of relatives there, there’s nothing to Russians at all, maybe they don’t like Putin, but this doesn’t affect relations
      3. BAI
        BAI 14 January 2022 14: 21
        -4
        except Belarus

        Aldeady no. Belarus is also in the general ranks. After Lukashenka leaves, there will be a pro-American, anti-Russian government. And the country will become corresponding.
        1. victor50
          victor50 14 January 2022 15: 32
          +1
          Quote: BAI
          Aldeady no. Belarus is also in the general ranks. After Lukashenka leaves, there will be a pro-American, anti-Russian government. And the country will become corresponding.

          This was already there. After that, Lukashenka was elected.
      4. Vlad Baryatinsky
        Vlad Baryatinsky 14 January 2022 22: 17
        +1
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        in all post-Soviet countries, a biased attitude towards Russians, except for Belarus

        Azerbaijan is also very comfortable. Many of them serve in the army.
      5. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 16 January 2022 22: 03
        0
        Quote: Nastia Makarova
        in all post-Soviet countries, a biased attitude towards Russians, except for Belarus

        in the 90s, and there they beat their faces for speaking Russian ..... and even now Belarusian nationalists have not gone anywhere, they are just waiting in the wings ...
    2. odometer
      odometer 14 January 2022 11: 51
      +2
      There is a homespun truth in this... At the philistine level, rumors are already beginning to circulate, and some resources are moving this topic forward. For example, Radio Azattyk ... There are Russian-language and Kazakh-language versions ... They write a lot of interesting smile
    3. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 14 January 2022 11: 52
      +8
      Alexander Vertinsky
      What i have to say

      I do not know why and who needs it,
      Who sent them to death with an unbending hand,
      Only so mercilessly, so evil and unnecessary
      Dropped them into Eternal Peace!

      Cautious spectators silently wrapped themselves in fur coats,
      And some woman with a distorted face
      Kissed the dead man's blue lips
      And threw a wedding ring at the priest.

      Threw them with Christmas trees, knead them with dirt
      And they went home - to interpret under the guise
      That it’s time to put an end to the ugliness,
      What is already soon, they say, we will begin to starve.

      And no one thought of just kneeling
      And to tell these boys that in a mediocre country
      Even bright feats are only steps.
      Into the endless abyss - to the inaccessible Spring!

      November 1917, XNUMX
    4. Edik
      Edik 14 January 2022 11: 56
      -1
      Did Igor catch a hint in his own direction?
      No? I thought so crying
      The article is wonderful, it's a pity that few people understand it.
      1. carpenter
        carpenter 14 January 2022 13: 36
        -1
        Quote: Edik
        The article is wonderful, it's a pity that few people understand it.

        Rather, they don’t want to understand, it’s easier to live that way.
    5. Seamaster
      Seamaster 14 January 2022 12: 02
      +2
      Does this mean that there will be a danger to the 3 million Russian population? To do so in our way, in a democratic way, in an American way. Like Grenada. There, AS STATED, there was a danger to SIX American students. The United States attacked the country from the sea and air, landed a division of marines, destroyed the entire army of the country, all state power, and the leaders of the country were HANGED. And the students.... What are the students? They got stoned out of their hostel with stoned local defkas, neighing. They didn't even hear the gunfire. Maybe Russia should do the same? Py.SY. And the United States is still panicking in Haiti - somewhere around 50 years old. Suddenly, someone will offend the students.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 12: 08
        +16
        Have you ever wondered if you should have started distributing your cookies on the Kazakh Maidan? And not waving a cudgel in support of the thieves' power?
        In the end, what, according to the results? The ministers are Russophobes.
        1. carpenter
          carpenter 14 January 2022 13: 41
          +3
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Have you ever wondered if you should have started distributing your cookies on the Kazakh Maidan? And not waving a cudgel in support of the thieves' power?

          Yes, not everywhere they were allowed to wave, here is the biological center where the states conduct their "research", the Kazakh authorities forbade the guarding of the ODBC peacekeepers. "A wedding is a wedding, and the gifts are apart."
        2. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 14 January 2022 16: 03
          +4
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          maybe it was necessary to start handing out your cookies on the Kazakh Maidan?
          And not only in Kazakh. What can and should be learned from Americans is work with money. Yes, yes, simple money. Business is buying up, intelligence is buying up, non-governmental organizations are organizing trainings, symposiums, studies, protesters, sectarians, "smart" scientists come, government organizations offer training, scholarships, accommodation for certain services. and all this is money without ideology, naked benefits and privileges for money. And people who are close to power are bought.
        3. Seamaster
          Seamaster 14 January 2022 23: 48
          0
          Have you ever thought, maybe you should have started handing out your cookies on the Kazakh Maidan?

          And why does he need your miserable cookies when he just plundered a duty-free shop, broke a jewelry store, and raped a woman in a jewelry store? Full, drunk and nose in tobacco.
        4. Lara Croft
          Lara Croft 16 January 2022 22: 08
          +1
          Quote: Ingvar 72
          Have you ever thought, maybe you should have started handing out your cookies on the Kazakh Maidan?

          We need to hand out cookies to our own multinational people of Russia, apologize for past and future jambs, and go about our business ....
          Why does the Russian Federation worry about foreign peoples when its own is bent, the most valuable resources of the Russian Federation are people, the Russian Federation can get everything else, with a kind word or force ....
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 17 January 2022 09: 08
            +2
            Quote: Lara Croft
            the most valuable resources of the Russian Federation are people,

            You can't tell this by the actions of "our" government. Health care funding is declining, pension indexation does not nearly compensate for information, child benefits are clear PR, not help
      2. Avior
        Avior 14 January 2022 15: 13
        +3
        slightly wrong. A hundred times.
        At this time, about 630 students from the United States were in Grenada (at the University of St. George, as well as on the True Blue and Grand Anse campuses near Perls Airport).

        Before that, a military coup took place in Grenada, during which the government, headed by its head, was shot.
        The initiator of the deployment of peacekeeping troops of six states to Grenada was the Organization of the Eastern Caribbean States in accordance with Article 8 of the 1981 OECS Collective Security Treaty.
    6. Smoker
      Smoker 14 January 2022 12: 12
      +10
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      And the spring will unfold in the direction of the Russian population.

      You are a bit late with concerns....
      In 2012 year in Turkey, the President of Kazakhstan, at the opening ceremony of the Turkic Council, delivered a fateful speech.
      .
      "As Ataturk said:" The time will come when all the Turks will unite. " Therefore, I want to greet all the Turkic-speaking brothers. More than 200 million brothers live between Altai and the Mediterranean Sea. If we are all united, then we will be a very effective force in the world.
      We live in the homeland of the entire Turkic people.
      After in 1861 the last Kazakh khan was killed, we were a colony of the Russian kingdom, then the Soviet Union.
      For 150 years, the Kazakhs almost lost their national traditions, customs, language, religion. With the help of the Almighty, we declared our independence in 1991.
      Your ancestors, leaving their historical homeland, the Türkic Kaganate, took with them the name of the Türkic people. Until now, the Turks call the best horsemen - "Cossack". Here we are these Kazakhs ",
      - said N. Nazarbayev.


      Let me remind you - Nazarbayev is the first secretary of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan ... as well as Shushkevi in ​​Belarus, Kravchuk in Ukraine, Yeltsin in Russia ...... Gorbachev is generally the first secretary of all secretaries ... So many traitors to the communists, how, HOW?
      I thought that Nazarbayev did not go to Belovezhskaya Pushcha, because he got scared ... and returned from Moscow to his place to wait, look and join the winner ...
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 12: 46
        +2
        Quote: Smoker
        You are a bit late with concerns....

        Yes, the mechanism was not launched today, but it is today that the gears will spin much faster. hi
        1. Smoker
          Smoker 14 January 2022 12: 51
          +3
          Faster? Yes, you didn’t seem to follow the Kazakh news (not television!) ... climbing in Kazakh chats a year and six months ago, you will learn a lot about Russians ... there is no longer a spring, but a pneumatic jack negative
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 13: 08
            0
            Quote: Smoker
            Yes, you didn't seem to follow the Kazakh news

            Yes, you are right, I did not follow this news, but I know two who returned to Kazakhstan after fleeing from there in the 90s. One returned five years ago, the other two years ago.
      2. paul3390
        paul3390 14 January 2022 13: 12
        +7
        We live in the homeland of all Turkic people

        Put a Kazakh and a Turk next to each other - is this ONE people ?? belay what
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 13: 34
          +1
          Quote: paul3390
          Put a Kazakh and a Turk next to each other - is this ONE people ??

          There's a twist here, buddy. There are no Turkic peoples, there are Turkic-speaking peoples. And uniting according to the principle of language is nonsense, because according to this principle it is possible to unite the Portuguese and Brazilians, the French and Sinhalese. laughing
          But the Turks are hard at work sculpting their Turan.
          Can we remember that we are the descendants and heirs of the Scythians? wassat
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 14 January 2022 14: 59
            +5
            Well - actually, once all of Asia to China was Indo-European .. what Actually - our ancestral lands, temporarily captured by all sorts of idiots .. wink
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 14: 49
            0
            If we are the heirs of the Scythians, then only in a statistical error. Kazakhs are mostly their heirs. But all this, by and large, is just an excuse for the selfish interests of the bourgeoisie.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 15 January 2022 14: 51
              -1
              The Scythians are an Indo-Iranian group, and the Kazakhs are more Mongoloids.
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 14: 54
                0
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                The Scythians are an Indo-Iranian group, and the Kazakhs are more Mongoloids.

                And genetically and culturally Kazakhs are closer. And the Scythians were quite Mongoloid in the east.
                1. Ingvar 72
                  Ingvar 72 15 January 2022 14: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: IS-80_RVGK2
                  And the Scythians were quite Mongoloid in the east.

                  belay How can an Indo-Iranian group of peoples become Mongoloid? If you have information please share.
                  1. IS-80_RVGK2
                    IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 47
                    0
                    Quote: Ingvar 72
                    How can an Indo-Iranian group of peoples become Mongoloid? If you have information please share.

                    Mixing with the Mongoloids. Your cap.
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 14 January 2022 13: 53
          +6
          Quote: paul3390
          is it ONE people?

          What's the difference. A common religion and a serious desire for cultural and economic expansion - that's the main thing. Now the Turks have felt the wave, jumped on it and are riding... Something doesn't work out, but the general movement and results are unambiguous - they do a lot of things. They chose a good time and weaknesses of the neighbors.
          Kazakhstan has a lot of ties with Russia, certainly more than with Turkey, but whom their president calls brothers...
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 14 January 2022 14: 47
            +3
            In addition to a common language and religion, something else interesting and significant must be offered .. If you really want to build an empire like. And what can the Ottomans offer? Money - so they themselves are beggars like church rats .. Military power - well, the Turks are rather weak for this, they don’t have such an army either .. There won’t be enough pants for everything. The best conditions for the elite - I wonder what .. Technology - not funny .. Cheap goods - because China is right next to it, you can’t outdo it. Buy resources - for what? And so on and so forth..

            In addition, the Ottomans have a lot of enemies. And the Arabs are somehow not very sympathetic to them, and the Iranians will not calmly look at this, and even China and Russia .. Doesn't my friend Erdogan take on a lot?
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 14 January 2022 17: 15
              +3
              Quote: paul3390
              Doesn't it take on a lot...

              Many, very many. But in another way, do not snatch anything for him.
              Quote: paul3390
              something more interesting and significant must be offered.

              So they offer something...
              Again, everything is in comparison. There is little money, but there is more of it than the neighbors. The army is weak, but it is much stronger than that of its neighbors. Technology is the same. And one of the most important aspects is the support of the Anglo-Saxons. All these alleged strife with the United States, apparently, are more for show. Turkey is in NATO, and regularly declares its readiness to participate in NATO operations.
              As for Russia and China, this is a challenge to both. To what extent this challenge will be accepted, what means will be thrown, we will see...
              1. saygon66
                saygon66 14 January 2022 20: 53
                +4
                He offers an illusion... The illusion of belonging "to the great"!
                - Not some kind of nomads, pantsless rogues, but Genghisides, the great Mughals, Aryans and all that ...
                - As an ancient bum once yelled: ".... I am a citizen of Rome!"
                The desire to be involved in the great - is this not an incentive ?!
                1. Doccor18
                  Doccor18 14 January 2022 21: 18
                  +4
                  Quote: saygon66
                  The desire to be involved in the great - is this not an incentive ?!

                  Strong, very strong and sometimes very underestimated is the power of an idea...
                  1. saygon66
                    saygon66 14 January 2022 22: 40
                    +3
                    This is probably always the case: Give a person the opportunity to realize his own exclusivity - he will do this ....
                    1. Lara Croft
                      Lara Croft 16 January 2022 22: 16
                      0
                      Quote: saygon66
                      This is probably always the case: Give a person the opportunity to realize his own exclusivity - he will do this ....

                      If you want to know a soldier, give him a "bast" ....
                      1. saygon66
                        saygon66 17 January 2022 00: 12
                        0
                        - A red bow on the lapel... or zippers in buttonholes... - these are particulars... Attributes.
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 14: 52
            +1
            Quote: Doccor18
            Kazakhstan has a lot of ties with Russia, certainly more than with Turkey, but whom their president calls brothers...

            Kazakhs are connected with us by a common Soviet past, and this fact is the most dangerous for both Kazakh and Russian bourgeois scum.
        3. Smoker
          Smoker 14 January 2022 13: 54
          +2
          Kazakh tribes are Turkic, and there are Mongolian ...
      3. flicker
        flicker 14 January 2022 13: 24
        +4
        “As Ataturk said: “The time will come when all the Turks will unite”
        And until it came, he chopped off the heads of the Janissaries.
        ---
        And who said that the time has come for the unification of the Turks.
        It didn't come, and it looks like it never will. "Great Turan" is the Great Chimera.
        ---
        "Great Turan" is a claim to world domination. Those. a challenge to the Anglo-Saxons, China, and since it implies the territory of Russia, then Russia.
        ---
        The world hegemon is first of all a TECHNOLOGICAL LEADER.
        And the technological leader is the world scientific flagship.
        Which Turkic-speaking state can claim the role of the world technological leader? Turkey?
        ---
        We flew into space 60 years ago.
        What about Turkey? The sea, resorts, tomatoes, "The Magnificent Century"? Bayraktars, consisting entirely of imported components?
        What are the reasons for such Greatness, except for emotions?

        Why is the world hegemony behind the Anglo-Saxons? Yes, because technology is behind them.
        Develop your science first, then dream.
        ---
        "Great Turan" is a chimera imposed by the Anglo-Saxons by the Turkic people, primarily for the conflict with Russia.
        ---
        Why don't they show the corpses of 20 terrorists?
        And why should Kazakhs be shown the corpses of Kazakhs and Turkish askers?
        ---
        Why did the heated Kazakh nationalists (KNB head Misimov and others) oppose the existing government, which fully shares the values ​​of Kazakh nationalists?
        For the sake of what values ​​did they start killing their own Kazakhs?

        Only for the sake of the "Great Turan".

        Why didn't Erdogan condemn the unrest in Kazakhstan and support the existing government?
        Is it because he was on the side of the protesters?
        And if this is so, then the death of the Kazakhs is on the conscience of Erdogan.
        ---
        Once again, the Great Turan is the Great Chimera, the same as ISIS and its fate will be the same, I would like the Turkic-speaking peoples to understand this.
        1. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 14 January 2022 17: 04
          +2
          Quote: flicker
          Once again, Great Turan - there is a Great Chimera, just like ISIS

          and "Russian world" - #'is it different or is it also a chimera?
          1. saygon66
            saygon66 15 January 2022 01: 53
            +2
            -Certainly! Chimera! But this is our chimera! Everyone has it - let us have it too! It doesn't matter what unites us - it matters what it is
            unites us... smile
          2. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 14: 56
            0
            Too. Because no one has canceled the economic contradictions among national capitals.
      4. Hypertension
        Hypertension 14 January 2022 13: 31
        +8
        Quote: Smoker
        With the help of the Almighty, we declared our independence in 1991.

        So Yeltsin and Co. has not yet been called ...
    7. Hypertension
      Hypertension 14 January 2022 13: 26
      +4
      Quote: Ingvar 72
      Radicalization and pogroms were beneficial to the authorities in the first place.

      Klim Zhukov on this occasion (and in general, on the situation in Kazakhstan):
  3. prior
    prior 14 January 2022 11: 28
    +5
    Lack of social justice ..... and the result will be sure.
    1. prior
      prior 14 January 2022 11: 57
      +5
      The reconstructed Minsk highway was made toll, no alternative.
      Why not a reason? How many more skins can be collected from motorists?
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 14 January 2022 12: 00
      +4
      The absence of that very justice, the WORLD was seriously shaken, only once, for the first time ...
      But nothing is over yet. There will be new, global, shake-ups.
    3. Seamaster
      Seamaster 14 January 2022 12: 09
      -1
      Social justice is for every Kazakh pogromist (18 years old, there is no education and profession, there is no desire to work, a member is like a macaque, but there is no money for kalym, hatred of the "very smart") on a black Mercedes, a white woman, a villa with a blue pool and a million dollars? And on a ticket to the Caribbean at the expense of the union? This is what they want. Even Ukrainians were more modest - they dreamed of panties with lace on sable fur. And about a croissant with a thick, thick layer of bacon.
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 14 January 2022 12: 46
        +7
        The Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia (FNPR) called on the Russian authorities to be more attentive to the growth of incomes of the country's inhabitants and the indexation of pensions. A statement published on the organization's website says that neglect of such issues will lead to protests and pogroms that have been going on in Kazakhstan since the beginning of the year.

        According to the authors of the appeal, in Russia there are the same problems that are typical for many countries of the post-Soviet space. Among them are the rise in prices, the increase in taxes, the vulnerability of people and enterprises to judicial arbitrariness.

        In order to exclude the situation when during the protests the protesters smash offices and shops, ordinary people die in the confrontation with the security forces, the FNPR proposed changing the approach to the economy.

        In addition to combating social inequality, members of the federation want to achieve an increase in the role of trade unions and the refusal to appoint officials from ministries to them. It also proposes greater state intervention in the market economy and a ban on the transfer of key enterprises to foreign ownership.

        Source
        https://lenta-ru.turbopages.org/turbo/lenta...1/11/hoteli_bi/
        1. prior
          prior 14 January 2022 13: 00
          +8
          Federation of Independent Trade Unions of Russia - the same "woman with low social responsibility" as practically all other bodies in this country.
          Her head hurts for her well-being and, again, at the expense of the workers, whose interests she supposedly protects. What does she make herself?
          And it protects approximately the same as on Listvyazhnaya.
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 14 January 2022 14: 02
          +2
          Quote: Aerodrome
          FNPR proposed to change the approach to the economy.

          How? Share the profits of the tops? This is an attack on the system. Heh, found something to ask to change ...
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 15 January 2022 01: 04
        +1
        Quote: Seamaster
        That is exactly what they want.
        You're lying. The list of demands was published even before the start of the pogroms. None of that was there. And the demands of the pogromists are on the drum: what they need, they themselves took.
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 13
        +1
        Couldn't you find a less dull demagoguery?
  4. alex51217
    alex51217 14 January 2022 11: 51
    +11
    From the article, I realized that it is better for Russia if I sit at home and not think about anything
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 12: 25
      -4
      Before you run somewhere, you need to understand the goals and objectives of those people who are calling, and also pay attention to their past and present.
  5. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
    Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 14 January 2022 12: 02
    +1
    Good article. Thanks! But I do not agree with the assessment of the First Russian Revolution - it was not a "color revolution". If anyone does not agree - dispute! I'm waiting.
    1. Seamaster
      Seamaster 14 January 2022 12: 15
      +3
      So how can you challenge if you haven’t given a single argument in defense of your statement, just “disagree”? What do you disagree with?
      1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 14 January 2022 15: 56
        -2
        1. As of December 1904, there was no revolutionary situation in the Republic of Ingushetia.
        2. At that moment there was no real impoverishment of the masses.
        3. The leaders of the RSDLP were all over the world in exile.
        4. There were prerequisites for the revolution, but no more. I repeat - it didn't smell like a revolutionary situation, because see the course of events below: the revolution is suppressed and the Republic of Ingushetia, starting some reforms, makes a breakthrough in its development, starting from 1906-07. And the great and beautiful year 1913 is coming - the year from which we have been counting many things in statistics for a hundred years, even in the USSR, even after it.
    2. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 12: 24
      -6
      I can't claim anything. Few data. But pay attention to the years of formation of the socialist parties of the SR and the RSDLP, these are the main beneficiaries. Cadets, anarchists and many others, it was the right branch of the left parties. And the Social Revolutionary terror is generally a classic, read about it in detail.
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 14 January 2022 12: 55
        +6
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        I can't claim anything. Few data.

        Bloody Sunday, the execution of unarmed workers by troops - the beginning of the revolution of 1905.
        In general, "The Life of Klim Samgin" describes this period very well, here's the data hi
        1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
          Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 14 January 2022 16: 04
          -1
          Works of art are not sources!
        2. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 17: 04
          -7
          Bloody Sunday is pure provocation. Everything has been written about it. Read. Gorky is such an odious left-wing writer that it is better not to cite him as an example. Writing a half-truth is worse than a lie.
      2. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 14 January 2022 13: 40
        +5
        But pay attention to the years of formation of the socialist parties of the SR and the RSDLP, these are the main beneficiaries.

        The beneficiary is a theater actor, in honor of whose services to the theater, a benefit performance is given.
        What conclusion do you draw from the dates of the formation of the "parties of the SR and the RSDLP"?
        Cadets, anarchists and many others, it was the right branch of the left parties.

        It turns out that the Cadets are leftists? belay
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 17: 04
          -1
          And what, Zhirinovsky is the opposition?
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 14 January 2022 17: 17
            +4
            And what, Zhirinovsky is the opposition?

            The leaps and bounds of your thoughts are hard to catch. Is the opposition synonymous with the left? Or Zhirinovsky - left? Now anyway.
            Well, how about the answer to the question:
            What conclusion do you draw from the dates of the formation of the "parties of the SR and the RSDLP"?

            ?
            1. IS-80_RVGK2
              IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 18
              0
              Apparently the author is also part-time conspiracy theorist.
        2. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 17
          +2
          Quote: Nefarious skeptic
          It turns out that the Cadets are leftists?

          Write to the left of all these Herods, why feel sorry for them? laughing The author is another pissing demagogue. I wouldn't be surprised if I'm on the payroll. Fortunately, circumstances directly scream about the need for such corrupt skins.
      3. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
        Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 14 January 2022 16: 01
        -3
        Full of data. Just don’t read the old textbooks on the history of the USSR (as far as I remember, we then went through this in the ninth grade), and a lousy, anti-historical, deceitful and anti-scientific article on Wikipedia! Explore other sources. By the way, it is interestingly written in the US school textbook for the eighth grade or in similar British textbooks for schools and universities.
        1. Vintorez
          Vintorez 15 January 2022 16: 53
          0
          That is, a textbook on the history of the USSR is all fiction, and textbooks from the USA and Britain about Russia and the USSR wrote one truth. Very interesting.
  6. tatra
    tatra 14 January 2022 12: 10
    +17
    And the conclusion in the article is that the people must tolerate any government, no matter what it does to the people, otherwise it will be even worse.
    And better than revolutions, for the author of the article, this is what happened before the February / October revolution, and after the counter-revolution in Perestroika - the richest power and the Church, a system with a huge income gap between the people - and the rich and richest parasites on the neck of the people a "social elevator", and not allowing Russia to develop and grow rich, the high mortality rate of the people.
    The author feels sorry for those who died as a result of the February and October revolutions, but not sorry for the Russian people, which, under the Yeltsin-Putin regime, is dying out at a tremendous pace in peacetime, without any revolutions or wars.
    1. Altona
      Altona 14 January 2022 12: 47
      +16
      Quote: tatra
      And the conclusion in the article is that the people must endure any power

      ------------------
      Similar articles are custom guards. Tolerate the serf-otherwise in the forehead!
      1. Alexey RU64
        14 January 2022 17: 26
        -4
        Do you know what is different from a fool?
        1. IS-80_RVGK2
          IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 19
          +2
          Those that do not believe articles like you.
    2. Dimy4
      Dimy4 14 January 2022 13: 08
      +10
      And the conclusion in the article is that the people must endure any government, no matter what it does to the people, otherwise it will be even worse

      And this thought runs through the entire text: love every power so that it does not get up to you, wish health and long life to your ruler with your masters, do not doubt their wisdom and the laws that they adopt ... The list can be continued.
    3. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 14 January 2022 16: 02
      -1
      Is this a call for revolution or what???
    4. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 17: 08
      -7
      And who is to blame for this, Nicholas 2? You would first read the data on how many times education funding increased from 1894 to 1914. And then they would judge. For you, the blood of people who died 100 years ago is not blood, but blood now, it is blood. What power you deserve, live with this. Or Berezovsky or Zyuganov were not communists?
      1. victor50
        victor50 14 January 2022 21: 19
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        Or Berezovsky or Zyuganov were not communists?

        And Putin, Matvienko? What does this prove?
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        You would first read the data on how many times education funding increased from 1894 to 1914.

        The slyness of this postulate has already been repeatedly proved at VO - they spent 1 ruble, they became 10, it increased 10 times, but they spent 1000 and they became 1100, well, there is absolutely no increase, right? In percentages. Find statistics on literacy drafted into World War I. By the armies of the warring states. And don't use that argument anymore. My ancestors, who, according to your statement (apparently, huge funds were allocated) had to get an education at that time, had 4 and 1 classes, respectively. And with 4 classes, he was already considered a very literate person. Compare with the West, and then with the USSR.
        1. Alexey RU64
          15 January 2022 08: 56
          -2
          Well, yes, but who moved science? Those born in the USSR, say, in 1920, could only start thinking something in 1940, or rather in 1950, but how many of them died? Then those born in 1940 could move science, let's say in 1970, that's when the breakthroughs actually began. And before that, they were driven by people with a royal education, illiterate in your words.
          1. Illanatol
            Illanatol 15 January 2022 14: 27
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RU64
            Well, yes, but who moved science? Those born in the USSR, say, in 1920, could only start thinking something in 1940, or rather in 1950, but how many of them died? Then those born in 1940 could move science, let's say in 1970, that's when the breakthroughs actually began. And before that, they were driven by people with a royal education, illiterate in your words.


            Those born in tsarist Russia could receive education (especially higher education) already under socialism.
            The most educated and talented could get "reservation" during the war. However, not everyone received, they volunteered. Many died, but the rest were enough for breakthroughs.
            The main breakthroughs in science and technology - 30-60 years.
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 15 January 2022 14: 36
              +2
              Many died, but the rest were enough for breakthroughs.
              The main breakthroughs in science and technology - 30-60 years.

              Moreover, those who received a good education already under Soviet power died. For example, Caesar Kunikov, we all know him as a hero, and before the war he was the director of the Central Research Institute of Mechanical Engineering Technology, the executive editor of the all-Union newspaper Mashinostroenie. The future excellent organizer of industry perished.
            2. Alexey RU64
              15 January 2022 21: 24
              -1
              What are your claims based on? You yourself confirm my words of the 30s. These people did not study in the USSR and there was no higher education then. These were some kind of courses, not a full-fledged education.
      2. bk0010
        bk0010 15 January 2022 01: 09
        +4
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        And who is to blame for this, Nicholas 2?
        Undoubtedly. Not only he, but the main fault, as an autocrat, is certainly his.
        And to your thesis "do not rebel - it will be worse" it is quite possible to answer - "do not lead to a rebellion: you will lose more than the people will lose."
      3. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 20
        0
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        Or Berezovsky or Zyuganov were not communists?

        It doesn't matter who they were, what matters is who they became.
  7. Foul skeptic
    Foul skeptic 14 January 2022 12: 13
    +10
    The article reminds of an anecdote about a skilled seller ...
    - Are you saying that this customer came to buy a fishing hook and ended up buying a boat and a jeep with a trailer?
    - No no. He came to buy a pack of tampons for his wife. And I told him that since the days off are all the same, it’s better to go fishing ...


    calling them pharaohs (a hitherto unknown nickname for the district).

    The nickname "Pharaoh" has existed since at least the end of the 19th century.
    And I ask you, comrades, not to be confused: even in the Bolshevik press no later than 1930, the October Revolution was referred to as the October Revolution.

    It was called differently until 1930.
    1. Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko
      Andrey Zhdanov-Nedilko 14 January 2022 16: 08
      -3
      It seems like before 1927 it was the "October Revolution", and after the tenth anniversary, the revolution received its modern name - the Great October Socialist Revolution.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 14 January 2022 17: 09
        +6
        It seems like before 1927 it was the "October coup"

        It seems like this is not something that is operated on as confirmation.

        This is 1918 (however, the date is visible at the top of the page). This is the first source that came across, just to confirm my words that the events of October 1917 were named differently and before the date you indicated "1927". I can confirm my words with dozens more examples, but why.
    2. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 17: 09
      -6
      She was named just that. February Revolution and October Revolution. Raise the literature of 1920-1929. Everything is clearly shown there. Police officers in Russia have never been called pharaohs, this is even indicated in the Notes of the commandant of the Tauride Palace from 1917.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 14 January 2022 17: 12
        +5
        She was named just that. February Revolution and October Revolution. Raise the literature of 1920-1929. Everything is clearly shown there.

        Ready to bet?
        Police officers in Russia have never been called pharaohs, this is even indicated in the Notes of the commandant of the Tauride Palace from 1917.

        lol
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 19: 52
          -3
          At least bet, at least yell. Here, take it and see.
          https://vk.com/wall-81495923_1731
          https://meshok.net/?good=13874&related=Книга+«Октябрьский+переворот.+Революция+1917+года+глазами+ее+руководителей»+Анин+Д.С.

          Need more? It is the same with pharaohs, this is an American name, not Russian slang.
          1. Foul skeptic
            Foul skeptic 17 January 2022 09: 02
            0
            Need more?

            You are a funny person. Not only is the message above given a page of a newspaper with a title that "does not exist", but according to your own link, a cart and a small cart of literature issued before 1930 with the word "revolution" in relation to the events of October 1917. But you continue to cast a shadow on the wattle fence.
            It is the same with pharaohs, this is an American name, not Russian slang.

            It may even be Turkish. But it was present in the Russian language long before supposedly "until 1917 it was not called." Dahl's Explanatory Dictionary, 1909 reissue.
            1. Alexey RU64
              17 January 2022 10: 25
              0
              As for the link, I don’t know why it doesn’t open, you yourself can find everything if you want. I respect Dahl's dictionary. It was only in the memoirs that it was indicated that many people did not know who the pharaohs were and were perplexed who they were. Reading various newspapers of those years, I did not find this word in use anywhere. Perhaps it was applicable among criminals and revolutionaries who left not far from them, but not the bulk of the population. So let's not be so categorical. And in general, Internet disputes are mostly useless.
              1. Foul skeptic
                Foul skeptic 17 January 2022 10: 53
                0
                As for the link, I don’t know why it doesn’t open, you yourself can find everything if you want.

                I did not write that the link does not open. I wrote that at your own link there is not one or two books "released before 1930 with the word "revolution" in relation to the events of October 1917. "Don't you see it yourself?
                Reading various newspapers of those years, I did not find this word in use anywhere.

                belay In modern newspapers, find me the word "cop" or "garbage" - your "logic" is simply discouraging - since there are none where jargon should not be used, then there are none anywhere.
                So let's go back to the beginning:
                1) Do you continue to insist that until 1930 the events of October 1917 were called only "coup" in the press?
                2) Do you continue to persist that until 1917 there was no word "pharaoh" in the Republic of Ingushetia to designate policemen?
                3) What conclusion do you draw from the dates of the formation of the "parties of the SR and the RSDLP"?
                4) Why do you have Cadets - the left party?
                1. Alexey RU64
                  17 January 2022 17: 48
                  0
                  Apparently you are a perfectionist, or like to prove. I argued that before 1930 the Bolsheviks themselves spoke - the October Revolution. If some of them spoke differently, pointing out the October Revolution, then this does not negate the fact that they called it that. it is you who persist. I have not seen the use of this word anywhere, except for what you indicated in the dictionary. This does not mean that it was not used at all, but at the same time it does not mean that it was used often and by everyone. The conclusion is that these are artificially formed parties in order to destabilize the situation in the Republic of Ingushetia and withdraw it from the world stage as one of the leading players, if not the leading one. The war with Japan was not prepared by RI, and it was not she who attacked Japan. Mass riots were prepared at the end of the war and the time was specially chosen, which is understandable now in the light of the past years. All congresses and headquarters were located abroad, in particular in London and near Paris. These parties were subsidized by Japanese intelligence, receiving money from them for their activities. In response, various articles were published discrediting the efforts of the Russian army. The Social Revolutionaries and the RSDLP did not need anything and had the opportunity to prepare various terrorist attacks. The scale of organization was much greater than even in Kazakhstan. The Cadets were only nominally considered rightists. The rightists are monarchists, nationalists, and the Cadets and Octobrists, purely speculatively, could be called right-wing or, more correctly, right-liberal parties. In my understanding, this combination is simply impossible, which was shown by the February Revolution, when, after the removal of the emperor, autocracy was abolished altogether. Mikhail Romanov was influenced, he did not take power and everything collapsed.
                  1. Foul skeptic
                    Foul skeptic 17 January 2022 19: 01
                    0
                    I argued that before 1930 the Bolsheviks themselves spoke - the October Revolution. If some of them spoke differently, pointing out the October Revolution, then this does not negate the fact that they called it that. it is you who persist.

                    Really? Or maybe I said that
                    Quote: A vile skeptic
                    It was called differently until 1930.

                    What did you categorically state
                    Quote: Alexey RU64
                    She was just named. February Revolution and October Revolution.

                    What does it mean - "I claimed that before 1930 the Bolsheviks themselves spoke - the October Revolution?" belay How can this relate to "If some of them spoke differently, pointing out the October Revolution"? You have problems with the compilation of logical chains.
                    Moreover, in your "proof" you provide a link to
                    https://vk.com/wall-81495923_1731

                    where in the title it is written - "revolution", but you have not mastered beyond the title, in the text of the book, "revolution" occurs over and over again.
                    I have not seen the use of this word anywhere, except for what you indicated in the dictionary.

                    AND? Before I showed it to you in the dictionary, you generally crucified that
                    Quote: Alexey RU64
                    Police officers in Russia have never been called pharaohs

                    The conclusion is that these are artificially formed parties in order to destabilize the situation in the Republic of Ingushetia and withdraw it from the world stage as one of the leading players, if not the leading one.

                    Plekhanov's public activity, which resulted in the emergence of social parties in the Republic of Ingushetia, is the 1880s. Therefore, to pull by the ears that the emergence of socialist parties is Japan's "response" for the tricks of the Republic of Ingushetia in Korea in the 1890s - it will not work with me.
                    Mass riots were prepared at the end of the war

                    We look at the timeline - the riots began in the winter of 1905, the war ended by the autumn of 1905.
                    All congresses and headquarters were located abroad, in particular in London and near Paris.

                    And what, was it possible to safely conduct them on the territory of the Republic of Ingushetia? Some kind of kindergarten, the right word.
                    The Cadets were only nominally considered rightists.

                    By whom? You? The Cadets are centrists, in other words, weather vanes. Being in opposition, and then in open confrontation with the left, does not hint at their right-centrism, does it?
                    Conclusion:
                    on point 1: you told a lie
                    on point 2: you told a lie
                    on point 3: You are pulling an owl on a globe
                    on point 4: You are pulling an owl on a globe
                    You see, this is not author.today for you, you just can’t hang noodles like that.
                    It was very entertaining, to understand you as a person, to read the publications on your page.
                    1. Alexey RU64
                      17 January 2022 19: 34
                      0
                      And did you understand anything?
                      P.1 From my side, the same untruth as from yours. The October Revolution took place and it was called that, and it does not matter how or who else called it.
                      P.2 And what does Plekhanov have to do with it? Plekhanov is a Marxist and supported French intelligence. He did not preach terror. You have logic, but cause-and-effect relationships are based on the Soviet base. From these positions you proceed. Hence the conclusions, but it's your problem.
                      P.3 Dahl's dictionary, as I pointed out to you, does not prove essentially anything. Name me a work or a newspaper where it would be so? Therefore, your pearls about an owl are unfounded, and the hidden subtext is insulting, first of all, for yourself.
                      P.4 Don't you think that parties founded abroad a priori always conduct subversive activities. Therefore, your child characterizes you as a superficial person who sees only the tops. Like that bear from a fairy tale. And you yourself call them centrists. And they didn't oppose the left. If you have nothing else to do, then read the speeches of Guchkov or Rodzianko in the State Duma. Grow in one word.
                      1. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 18 January 2022 10: 27
                        0
                        And did you understand anything?

                        Of course
                        P.1 From my side, the same untruth as from yours. The October Revolution took place and it was called that, and it does not matter how or who else called it.

                        1) Please clarify what is not true in my words:
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        It was called differently until 1930.

                        2) What to you personally closer the word "coup" does not mean that before 1930 it was the fixed official name for the events of October 1917. The very first official sounding took place on the morning of October 25th. And it says there:
                        Quote: VRK
                        Long live revolution workers, soldiers and peasants!

                        P.2 And what does Plekhanov have to do with it? Plekhanov is a Marxist and supported French intelligence. He did not preach terror. You have logic, but cause-and-effect relationships are based on the Soviet base. From these positions you proceed. Hence the conclusions, but it's your problem.

                        3) You did not understand from the previous message why Plekhanov was mentioned? Sorry, I don't know how else to say this:
                        Quote: A vile skeptic
                        Plekhanov's public activity, which resulted in the emergence of social parties in the Republic of Ingushetia, is the 1880s. Therefore, to pull by the ears that the emergence of socialist parties is Japan's "response" for the tricks of the Republic of Ingushetia in Korea in the 1890s - it will not work with me.

                        4) Did you hesitate to provide evidence of work for French intelligence?
                        5) Tell us from what positions I proceed and how and to what conclusions I come. Well, I suppose you are not unfounded writing empty general phrases.
                        P.3 Dahl's dictionary, as I pointed out to you, does not prove essentially anything. Name me a work or a newspaper where it would be so? Therefore, your pearls about an owl are unfounded, and the hidden subtext is insulting, first of all, for yourself.

                        6) What a wonderful position - not to accept evidence if it does not suit you. Why doesn't Dahl's dictionary prove the existence of the colloquial word "pharaoh"? Thus, refuting your words:
                        Quote: Alexey RU64
                        Police officers in Russia have never been called pharaohs

                        7) Why is it necessary to look for this word in newspapers or books, if it is colloquial, and not literary, but all printed publications were censored. Therefore, it could only be found in specialized literature, such as Dahl's explanatory dictionary or the "List of words of the thieves' language known to the police officials of the Rostov-on-Don District." Therefore, such a request of yours is what? Ignorance or manipulation, when the opponent is told that the evidence will be something that cannot be for objective reasons?
                        8) There is no hidden subtext. Don't look for a black cat in a dark room, especially if it's not there.
                        P.4 Don't you think that parties founded abroad a priori always conduct subversive activities. Therefore, your child characterizes you as a superficial person who sees only the tops. Like that bear from a fairy tale. And you yourself call them centrists. And they didn't oppose the left. If you have nothing else to do, then read the speeches of Guchkov or Rodzianko in the State Duma. Grow in one word.

                        9) Excuse me, are you going to notice my questions at all? First, the RSDLP was not founded abroad. Second, could the RSDLP continue its legal activities in the Republic of Ingushetia after the 1st Congress? If she could not, then what are the claims to the fact that the congresses were held outside the Republic of Ingushetia? Name other, acceptable, options for the functioning of the organization, in this case.
                        10) Baby what?
                        11) Well, of course, there is only a light of knowledge. As you said recently:
                        Quote: Alexey RU64
                        There can be no question of admitting one's own mistakes; at best, the possibility of an incorrect interpretation of any statement is allowed.

                        what
                        12) Yes, I call them centrists. Because they are centrists. Why do you call them leftists, I did not wait for an explanation. Then why talk about what you do not understand?
                        13) They didn't oppose the left? They did not resist so much that they turned out, in the end, who were with Denikin, who were with Kolchak. wassat
                      2. Alexey RU64
                        18 January 2022 11: 53
                        0
                        Okay, I'm distracted by you, it's pointless, I don't know who you are and what level of knowledge you have. But from all the information that you submit, I only understood that you have a good command of the search engine and know how to draw conclusions. As one person told me that the Internet makes it possible to discuss with those with whom in ordinary life you would not even talk and pass by. This is not an insult, but a statement of fact. I have met opponents who are certainly smart, but so vilely proving their case that it was easier not to talk to them than to argue. You formed an opinion about me, but I only know about you your self-name and the name Timur ...
                        1. The October Revolution was also mentioned by the Bolsheviks themselves.
                        2. How do you prove that it was Plekhanov who founded it? This is your unsubstantiated statement or an excerpt from a book of the Soviet era. In the same way you cannot prove that he was not a French agent.
                        3. I see no reason to even argue about the RSDLP. You also do not notice anything, like me.
                        4. You could not bring anything except Dahl's dictionary. Therefore, this question has not been finally proved by you. Although there is a reason.
                        5. I'm not a beacon, but I read a lot of books on the topic, and don't surf the Internet. Moreover, there is a lot of distorted information. I understand and express my opinion. This is not the ultimate truth and not dogma, in contrast to the tone of your premises.
                        5. Your last statement is very funny, especially after the Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, and even anarchists, fought on the side of Denikin. And lastly, you yourself would create something in writing and respond to comments, then you would have the moral right to point me out or mock me. Well, it's no longer interesting.
                      3. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 18 January 2022 15: 22
                        0
                        1. The October Revolution was also mentioned by the Bolsheviks themselves.

                        1) Yes, it was mentioned. Just a dispute about something else. I can explain to you why they used, among other things, this word. And can you? I can also explain to you why different people, including you, attach special importance to this word now. In the meantime, the fact is that you provided incorrect information that until 1930 the events of October 1917 were called only "coup".
                        2. How do you prove that it It was Plekhanov who founded? This is your unsubstantiated statement or an excerpt from a book of the Soviet era.

                        2) Sorry that it?
                        3) Why do I have to prove what, apparently (this will become clear after the answer to question No. 2), I did not say?
                        In the same way you cannot prove that he was not a French agent.

                        4) You haven't heard about Russell's teapot, have you? Well, there ... the burden of proof lies with the approver ... No, they didn’t know? Or maybe you can paint a mechanism for proving the non-existent? Let me explain, I think it is required. You can prove that a person is an agent if he is an agent, but you cannot prove that a person is not an agent if he is ... not an agent. So for the time being, you, quite expectedly, withdrew yourself when asked to confirm your words.
                        3. I see no reason to even argue about the RSDLP. You also do not notice anything, like me.

                        5) I also see no reason to argue that the RSDLP was founded in the Republic of Ingushetia and could not legally conduct its activities, which makes it understandable to hold meetings on the territory not controlled by the administration of the empire. Also, I see no reason to argue that other "interpretations" will cease to be speculation only if they are proven.
                        4. You could not bring anything except Dahl's dictionary. Therefore, this question has not been finally proved by you. Although there is a reason.

                        6) It remains to explain why it is necessary to bring something else? If the given source refutes your specific words. Just because you can't admit you're wrong? But your complexes should not be my problem. Let me explain more simply the absurdity of your requirement. A quadratic equation can be solved in many ways. I solve the equation symbolically, through the discriminant for example. To which you claim that I have not proved that such roots are his solution, because it can still be solved graphically, or by a nomogram, etc. Yes, it is possible to solve both "graphically and according to the nomogram, etc.", but this does not make either my solution method incorrect, or the resulting equation roots are not correct. I hope the analogy is clear enough to understand.
                        5. I'm not a beacon, but I read a lot of books on the topic, and don't surf the Internet. Moreover, there is a lot of distorted information. I understand

                        7) We found out how you "read" books on the topic in your last article. Well, there, for example, when you refer to Shambarov, and then it turns out that you just pulled a surname from another place (for "weight", I suppose). Or, when you yourself admit that you read little historians. Well, I also showed you how you don’t rummage on the Internet using an excerpt from your own text as an example
                        Quote: Alexey RU64
                        it said: "to secure the Soviet Republic from class enemies by isolating them in concentration camps." So this is where this term was found and immediately picked up and approved - concentration camps - one of the main terms of the XNUMXth century, which had a broad international future!

                        And somehow it so coincided that this is a copy-paste from the Internet dumps of the LJ level.
                        This is not the ultimate truth and not dogma, in contrast to the tone of your premises.

                        8) This is from my phrases: "She was only called that", "never called", numbers, "which no one has yet voiced", "Your mossy worldview", "You are driven sheep", "you are your miserable comments", " poke them in your own sanyo", "your unfounded statements", "Just your views are typical", "Your statements are pure sectarianism", "They do not think with their heads.", "You repeat the same mantras", "even fools should be shown their place", "You are talking nonsense, you don't know anything"? Continue? Or is everything clear?
                        5. Your last statement is very funny, especially after the Socialist-Revolutionaries and Mensheviks, and even anarchists, fought on the side of Denikin. And lastly, you yourself would create something in writing and respond to comments, then you would have the moral right to point me out or mock me. Well, it's no longer interesting.

                        9) This is not about extras, which, due to lack of education, often did not even understand who she was with and why she was with them.
                        10) I don't write alternative history online to make money.
                      4. Alexey RU64
                        18 January 2022 19: 42
                        0
                        I feel that you were really happy and printed clever words with special pleasure. Indeed, I have certain gaps in the humanities and mathematics education. But I understand what you mean. I pick up on a lot of things fairly quickly. When I was a teenager I read a lot. In adulthood, I had no time for books, and in the army there is no time for self-education and the environment around does not allow it. The main issue is to stay at least at its level. I didn't participate in such discussions. This becomes especially obvious when you serve in a town where there is not even a connection, not to mention the Internet. The best way out is not to enter into controversy and let everyone think what they want. I'm learning and I'm learning. Any experience is first and foremost an experience. A year and a half ago, I did not even think of writing books, but now I am a fairly well-known author in narrow circles. And you never deigned to clarify who you are and what your profession is. This is bad manners. As for various knowledge, it is enough to read them to understand what's what. And finally, it’s pathetic to broadcast that LJ is a garbage dump, it’s the same as shouting to me that I’m the smartest. There are authors there who are not professional historians, like Galkovsky and Bohemik, but this does not detract from their knowledge. And as for your words about extras, then if Savinkov and Chernov are extras for you. That also shows your level. I will learn from my mistakes, thank you. All you...
                      5. Alexey RU64
                        18 January 2022 20: 20
                        0
                        P.S. As for earnings, what, in fact, is your business before that? Maybe you are doing something that I would never do in my life. It's a shame, sir.
                      6. Foul skeptic
                        Foul skeptic 19 January 2022 15: 50
                        0
                        And you never deigned to clarify who you are and what your profession is.

                        1) Should I?
                        As for various knowledge, it is enough to read them to understand what's what.

                        2) Of course not. But this is a common opinion in the Internet community.
                        pathos to broadcast that LiveJournal is garbage

                        3) Mix shit and honey in a barrel - do you recommend the resulting product for use? So it is with LiveJournal. A normal undertaking has become a platform for people whose "thoughts" will not be accepted for publication or consideration anywhere else. And not because those who will not accept (quoting you, for example) are driven rams-sectarians-fools who do not think with their heads.
                        Galkovsky and Bohemian

                        4) Everything according to the proverb - tell me who your friend is, and I will tell you who you are.
                        if Savinkov and Chernov are extras for you. That also shows your level.

                        5) And what about Savinkov and Chernov for extras Denikin?
                        As for earnings, what, in fact, is your business before that? Maybe you are doing something that I would never do in my life. It's a shame, sir.

                        6) Well, of course. To speak reliable information about the interlocutor (which is obtained openly, since the interlocutor distributes it about himself) is, of course, less personal than to draw conclusions about the interlocutor simply at will. For example like this:
                        Quote: Alexey RU64
                        you yourself would create something in writing and respond to comments, then you would have a moral right
  8. Altona
    Altona 14 January 2022 12: 46
    +8
    Well, about the ladies, it's more of a sur author. Such events can be arranged by a "tower", which has a power and financial resource. The tsar was overthrown not by the 6th party of Bolsheviks, but by his inner circle. And the October events were supported by military force, and not caused by some kind of "peaceful protest." Just further develops a chain of events that leads somewhere. All kinds of pogroms, which are committed by both lumpen and ordinary people, are associated costs. The flooding in the United States in New Orleans was also accompanied by robberies and outrages. Speeches by BLM and anti-Trumpists too.
  9. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 14 January 2022 12: 49
    +4
    I personally feel sorry for all those Russian people who fell into the ground forever, for the sake of other people's aspirations, everyone: soldiers, peasants, aristocrats, intellectuals, workers, clergymen. All those who will never be returned, who longed to change their country for the better, but paid for it with their blood, but did not achieve what they wanted.

    This sacrifice was not in vain. A new empire has risen. Which was destined to appear and disappear. Save the human race from the most terrible force in history - German fascism. Send a man to the stars. Try to squeeze a monkey out of a man. Yes, and many other achievements.
  10. YasenPen
    YasenPen 14 January 2022 12: 56
    +3
    Human nature is such that careerists, scumbags, scoundrels and all sorts of scum that have their own or narrowly collective interest are torn into power. So everywhere and always has been, is and will be ... this is the human essence, it cannot be changed, according to the Christian commandments, humanity will never live ... humanity is a dead end branch of the development of civilization.
    It's scary to think if there would be peace and harmony all over the world, and all the thoughts of mankind would be directed to the joint creation and development, and not to the destruction and destruction of their own kind ... (sarcasm)
    "The road to hell is paved with good intentions" ©
  11. PaulBoimer
    PaulBoimer 14 January 2022 12: 58
    +15
    What the author is saying ... ladies ... well, yes, on January 9, ladies were walking, and ladies were hanging officers in Kronstadt. And all over Russia in 1905 they burned the estates of ladies. There were no social, national, economic or political problems in the country. Everyone lived well, and here some activist ladies first burned estates in 1905 and took away grain storages from hunger, and then in February 1917 they removed the tsar, and six months later they were already hanging those who removed the tsar. How does the editor let them go to print? The author contradicts himself in every new paragraph, from ladies to princes, then to the city bottom, then all the same to sailors. Doesn't this mean that, after all, a revolution is an inevitable SOCIAL process, in which all strata of society are involved, and the most progressive and organized one wins? Strange article.
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 17: 15
      -9
      According to statistics, in 1905 very few estates were burned down. And in the period from February to October, there are monthly data. There was no famine in 1905,1904, 1906, 2 and subsequent years. You can read about this in the statistics, they are in the public domain. The lady is a collective image of brainless intellectuals. Not knowing where the wind is from. This portal did not miss XNUMX of my articles. Here you would squeal there, as people like you who know nothing are squealing now on another portal.
      1. Foul skeptic
        Foul skeptic 14 January 2022 17: 26
        +5
        This portal did not miss 2 of my articles. Here you would squeal there, as people like you who know nothing are squealing now on another portal.

        How was the rejection explained?
        So give a link, someone like that who knows nothing will have the opportunity to go from here and read it.
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 19: 39
          -5
          Why, there I have enough of my opponents, why produce entities. A very funny selection was May Day posters of the 20s, such characteristic faces, that is, faces. But here the mainstream electorate would not accept such mockery and the site of the problem. And do they need it?
      2. PaulBoimer
        PaulBoimer 15 January 2022 00: 54
        +3
        And I didn’t squeal, I sent it as a text and not an audio recording. Regarding the statistics: there was no famine, just the peasants were chronically malnourished. Classics and reports on the provinces to help you. And an intellectual is, by definition, an educated person. Don't accuse me of not knowing. Judging by your article, you have not read anything from the topic you are writing about. You don't provide any links. That is why you are criticized and downvoted.
  12. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 14 January 2022 12: 59
    +7
    Everyone talks about color revolutions, forgetting that the first of them, in essence, took place in our country in 1905.

    Well, of course, because Russia, as you know, is the birthplace of elephants)
    There are no clear and unambiguous definitions of the term "color revolution", but at the present stage its main technological feature is outside inspiration. So from what hangover, sorry, the author pulled the revolution of 1905 to the "colored" ones? You might as well call the Dutch or English revolutions colored.
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 17: 16
      -7
      You are amazingly insightful. Look for where it is written about the participation of foreign capital or governments in certain revolutions. And let's not compare the 15th-17th century with the 20th and 21st century. Not good.
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 14 January 2022 22: 05
        +5
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        And let's not compare the 15th-17th century with the 20th and 21st century. Not good.

        And why, exactly? What's so "bad" here? You, my dear, here with inspiration draw parallels between the 20th century and the 21st century, between the "morphinists" of Krasnaya Presnya in 1905 and the rioters in Alma-Ata in 2022 - so why is your "fi", let me know.
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 22: 51
          -5
          Yes, okay, no and no. And there is no desire. What to prove? And um b bad.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 25
      0
      Quote: Ashes of Klaas
      So from what hangover, sorry, the author pulled the revolution of 1905 to the "colored" ones?

      Apparently the loot was paid for just such an interpretation.
  13. KLV
    KLV 14 January 2022 13: 03
    +3
    Author, it would be nice to give your articles to good editors before placing your articles on the site. Sorry, but your dislike for commas in the text upsets me personally. hi
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 17: 17
      -6
      Are you a grammarian?
  14. Pavel57
    Pavel57 14 January 2022 13: 25
    0
    Quote: Nastia Makarova
    yes, they live quietly in Kazakhstan and live in Ukraine, but still there is a bias

    Many acquaintances left Kazakhstan and Uzbekistan.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 13: 40
      0
      What years, Paul?
  15. Conjurer
    Conjurer 14 January 2022 13: 26
    +6
    A Russian person .. thinks that all people will change for the better if they live according to the truth, according to the law, according to the rules .... But reality ..... lust, greed, striving for fame, for comfort, for exaltation above others, cross out all the actions of its best representatives.

    The refrain of the author of the article - in vain the Russians are so tense, all the same, "lust, greed, the desire for glory, for comfort, for exaltation above others" will all win.
    Well, yes, they have already won in the USA, almost in Europe. And what will happen to the US when they can't suck the juice out of the whole world? What happens to cockroaches in a glass jar or rats in an iron box? However, the rats voiced the plot for Russia long ago - a maximum of 15 million people in this territory - to serve the deposits. Bury the rest. The author seems to agree.
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 17: 18
      -7
      You heard a ringing, but you don’t understand what it is for. Read Hemingway.
      1. Ashes of Claes
        Ashes of Claes 14 January 2022 18: 24
        +6
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        Read Hemingway.

        Lord, yes Ham something to do with it?
        Why not Maupassant then?
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 19: 32
          -5
          For whom the Bell Tolls...
          1. Ashes of Claes
            Ashes of Claes 14 January 2022 20: 17
            +4
            Well, what is it for? To give supposedly intellectual profundity to the phrase
            Quote: Alexey RU64
            You heard a ringing, but you don’t understand what it is for.

            whether?
          2. saygon66
            saygon66 14 January 2022 21: 10
            +3
            Actually, this is John Donne ... Hemingway took his words as an epigraph .... to a work whose content has nothing to do with the text of the article! smile what
  16. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 14 January 2022 13: 33
    +6
    The Great French and others were still different from ours.

    .

    And I ask you, comrades, not to be confused: even in the Bolshevik press no later than 1930, the October Revolution was referred to as the October Revolution.


    Well, the author should have known that the French Revolution, which became "great" with the light hand of Russian liberal publicists (including Prince Kropotkin), remained in this status until 1934, until Comrade Stalin decided that two great there can be no revolution. But after his death, this rather stupid term (causing slight surprise among the French themselves) was returned to the history books.
    1. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 30
      +1
      The point here is not in words, but in the sense that this miracle, juggling with words, is trying to replace. It’s a pity that you can’t fuck the author with a chandelier over the Internet.
  17. Detnix
    Detnix 14 January 2022 13: 53
    +9
    Like it or not, it's hard to say, I'm not an analyst ...

    This is where it was worth stopping, and not tormenting us with a stream of consciousness.
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 17: 19
      -8
      So do not suffer, drink vodka and forget.
      1. Nestorych
        Nestorych 14 January 2022 20: 56
        +3
        It looks like this is your whole life experience.))) Now it’s clear why such analyzes ...
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 22: 39
          -5
          Thank you, I love to be rude to people who think they are being tormented by other people's thoughts.
          1. IS-80_RVGK2
            IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 32
            +3
            Quote: Alexey RU64

            Thank you, I love to be rude to people who think they are being tormented by other people's thoughts.

            Here you are right. You don't have your own thoughts at all. I've heard this nonsense a hundred times.
            1. Alexey RU64
              15 January 2022 20: 19
              -2
              It is a pity that instead you have not heard about the inadmissibility of everyday rudeness. You will poke your brothers in the cultural stratum: the homeless, alcoholics, male prostitutes. It’s even scary to imagine why you use a candelabra in the modern world. Worry about your health
              1. IS-80_RVGK2
                IS-80_RVGK2 16 January 2022 03: 38
                +2
                Quote: Alexey RU64
                It is a pity that instead you have not heard about the inadmissibility of everyday rudeness. You will poke your brothers in the cultural stratum: the homeless, alcoholics, male prostitutes. It’s even scary to imagine why you use a candelabra in the modern world. Worry about your health

                You're just pathetic. I thought you were so smart and you could hang noodles on everyone's ears here. And in the comments they chase you with pissing rags. laughing
      2. victor50
        victor50 14 January 2022 21: 28
        +5
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        So do not suffer, drink vodka and forget.

        There is nothing to object. One gets the impression that the article was written almost in order to be rude in the comments. And about vodka ... Using your own analogies (about the bell), isn't it: "Who hurts ..." Then they should know. laughing
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 22: 40
          -4
          Well, if you have nothing more to suggest, then goodbye. Why should I be tolerant? And gently convince everyone. I expressed my opinion, and you will express yours in a similar way, if you can, of course.
  18. Avior
    Avior 14 January 2022 13: 53
    +2
    The conspiracy involved the Grand Dukes, Generals Alekseev and Ruzsky, industrialists Ryabushinsky, Tereshchenko, Konovalov, liberals from various parties like Guchkov and Milyukov, and others, but already from abroad.

    The October Revolution had a clearly defined leadership
    The Political Bureau (Politburo) of the Central Committee of the RSDLP (b), headed by Lenin, was formed at a meeting of the Central Committee on October 10 (23), 1917 for the political leadership of the armed uprising, the beginning of which was appointed by the Central Committee on October 25 (November 7), 1917. It included: Bubnov A.S., Zinoviev G.E., Kamenev L.B., Lenin V.I., Sokolnikov G.Ya., Stalin I.V. and Trotsky L.D.[1]

    We all know this organization by its later name, the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU.
    The question now is, and what kind of organization or person controlled the performances in Kazakhstan? Were there such? There are a lot of general words about this, nothing in particular. It is especially interesting about 20 terrorists brought in from abroad, like that Kyrgyz musician.
    It was a riot that really took place in Kazakhstan, to which the authorities played along by removing the security forces from the streets in Alma-Ata, which was immediately taken advantage of by looters. Who will be there after that to disassemble - who is a peaceful protester, who is a marauder? There was a reason for the hard suppression of the rebellion.
    And since it was a riot, and not an organized performance by anyone, there was no one to stop the marauders.
    There is nothing good in a riot, that a riot is a natural result of a situation where the authorities suppress any manifestations of discontent as much as possible, and do not allow a civilized resolution of conflict situations. At some point, it breaks, and it is the rebellion that begins, often senseless and merciless, as the classic wrote.
  19. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 14 January 2022 14: 07
    +12
    That's it! The driving force of the three Russian revolutions, it turns out, is drug addicts and so on .... uh ... Sonya Marmeladov!
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 19: 45
      -5
      Don't be like those who should be pitied...
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 35
        +2
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        Don't be like those who should be pitied...

        There is no need to feel sorry for people like you. Worse than this filthy power parasitizing on the people, only such corrupt demagogues like you who are trying to justify it.
  20. nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 January 2022 14: 19
    +3
    It is necessary to live by high ideals. Otherwise, you will succumb. It is written here, they say, in the 1917 revolution, people succumbed to the populists, and became victims of this massacre. Real revolutions took place when the majority of the population's stomach let down from hunger. One might say, the stomach made revolutions. A well-fed person can do nothing but a bourgeois revolution. Now it is ridiculous to talk about revolutions. "Revolutionaries" do not live in exile, but in Moscow and Leningrad apartments. Their ideas extend only in words. There were uprisings in Kazakhstan even before the revolution. Moreover, they are much stronger than the current one.
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 17: 24
      -3
      Are you talking about Turkestan 1916? When Russian girls were raped and guts were then scattered along the road. I know, and then the Great Exodus began in China. The loss of Russian peasants is about 7-10000, the military may be two hundred. And the Kirghiz, Kazakhs, Uzbeks, according to various figures from 100000 to 250000, when the Cossacks beat them. No prisoners were taken. Yes, half a million fled. half a million
  21. Pavel57
    Pavel57 14 January 2022 14: 21
    +2
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    What years, Paul?

    From Uzbekistan in the 90s, from Kazakhstan in 2010, approximately.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 14 January 2022 17: 08
      -1
      The first wife is from there, a friend is also from Uzbekistan. In the 90s, yes, they left, under the onslaught of everyday nationalism. Today, Russians in Uzbekistan live in peace.
      In recent years, it has also been calm in Kazakhstan. request
  22. nikvic46
    nikvic46 14 January 2022 15: 17
    +4
    The state was, is and will be a source of violence. Another thing is in whose interests this violence is planted.
  23. victor50
    victor50 14 January 2022 15: 26
    +5
    The author put the French Revolution apart. Why? Is it because it is considered a great action in history. And she shed blood ... And everything else - is it not because we are afraid of losing something from what we currently have. Personally, at home? So it seemed.
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 17: 21
      -4
      Yes, I had to say. Everyone knows about her. Have you heard of Portuguese?
      1. victor50
        victor50 14 January 2022 17: 54
        +3
        Quote: Alexey RU64
        but by the way I had to. Everyone knows about her. Have you heard of Portuguese?

        I've heard a lot. The logic of selection and exclusion is not clear? And you just wanted to show off your erudition? Or is there some kind of logic?
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 19: 41
          -4
          Damn, it's not obvious. You read the events of the 1910 revolution, there is an obvious rehearsal of those processes that were supposed to take place with us. Especially temporary milestones. But Russia is not Portugal, and there were so many revolutionary Jews in it, if at all. And something went wrong. like in Kazakhstan.
          1. victor50
            victor50 14 January 2022 21: 04
            +2
            Quote: Alexey RU64
            But Russia is not Portugal

            Damn, it's not obvious. In addition, if you need to confirm or refute something in world history, you can find so many very similar events in something, and then different ones, or vice versa ... And pull the right ones out of them. I don't think it's right to take such things as evidence without examining the details of the events. It's also easy to twitch and refute.
            1. Alexey RU64
              14 January 2022 22: 42
              -2
              Well, okay. Why then argue and ask questions? Pull if you want. Always please, if you find, of course.
              1. victor50
                victor50 14 January 2022 23: 04
                +4
                Quote: Alexey RU64
                Well, okay. Why then argue and ask questions? Pull if you want. Always please, if you find, of course.

                Well, what are you ... You are the torch of science! Not a single answer on the merits, but ... but smarter than everyone! lol
                1. Alexey RU64
                  15 January 2022 08: 52
                  -4
                  I'm not smarter, I'm smarter.
                  1. victor50
                    victor50 15 January 2022 09: 45
                    +5
                    Quote: Alexey RU64
                    I'm not smarter, I'm smarter.

                    Here's something, but it's completely invisible. Graphomania - yes, megalomania - psychology alone is worth something in the title - and this, too, well, rudeness.
                    1. Alexey RU64
                      15 January 2022 11: 13
                      -4
                      Yes? Then smart, you're right. Yeah, I don't care what you think. Honestly!
  24. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 14 January 2022 17: 47
    +5
    sailors are divided into many categories, and those who first shot at naval officers did not belong to the best of them

    Well, naval officers are also divided into many categories, and those who were shot at never thought that an answer would come. Impunity suddenly ended.
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 19: 44
      -5
      Listen, no one ever knows when and to whom the answer will come. You will talk about scuffles, bullying, and hunger without even reading Soviet books about the Baltic Fleet. But you read, you will find a lot of useful things for yourself. And they killed teams of sailors, many of whom the sailors did not know. So gentlemen provocateurs and German spies sat down. And not even the Bolsheviks, just saboteurs by agreement with the Social Revolutionaries or God knows who. This is more than once or twice slipped in different memoirs.
      1. Aviator_
        Aviator_ 14 January 2022 19: 49
        +5
        And they killed teams of sailors, many of whom the sailors did not know. So gentlemen provocateurs and German spies sat down.

        R.N. Was Viren also killed by German spies in February 1917?
        1. Alexey RU64
          14 January 2022 19: 59
          -4
          Do you want to catch me in a lie? Will not work. They killed not only him, but almost the entire command, and many sailors, defended their officers from other people's commands or warned. And Viren accepted death with dignity. He did not flinch, he met his face, even the executioners recognized this. And then, they threw the corpse into the Petrovsky ravine and did not let him bury for three days. What is it like? What was wrong with his corpse? He is a hero of the Russian-Japanese. Let Zhukov, who drove a lot of people into the grave, would also be caught under Beria and shot and not allowed to be buried. Who are these people? I remind you that there was no white terror yet, as well as red in fact. But the Social Revolutionary was. And they killed cruelly, mockingly guiding through the city.
          1. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 14 January 2022 20: 50
            +4
            But the Social Revolutionary was.

            Is the murder of officers who believed in their impunity the work of the Socialist-Revolutionaries? You just said that German spies did it. You already decide.
            1. Alexey RU64
              14 January 2022 22: 43
              -4
              Dear, let's stop clinging. That's why people worked, there were two of each creature. But if you don't believe it, then what can I do. Blessed are those who believe. I have my truth, you have yours.
  25. Dart2027
    Dart2027 14 January 2022 19: 34
    +1
    But the victims were actually the same people who are now crying about the plundered property, they, in fact, then lost everything, and many of their lives.

    “Having fully enjoyed the magnificent spectacle of the revolution, our intelligentsia prepared to put on their lined fur coats and return back to their cozy mansions, but the fur coats turned out to be stolen and the mansions were burned ...”
    (V. Rozanov)

    A very famous painting, and very interesting if you look closely.
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 20: 00
      -2
      What are we talking about.
  26. Alexey RU64
    14 January 2022 20: 06
    -7
    Comrade readers. The moral of this fable is that revolutions do not arise from scratch, but at the same time, one must understand who leads them and what are the goals. Now is a different time and revolutions must go away, there must be social pressure from below, since the tops do not want to. And this pressure should increase in proportion to the idiocy. But which one of you will do it? This is a culture of rejection of theft and general condemnation, instant help to the victims and the like. Our society has not reached this point yet. I, if I were paid for the indicated topics, would probably agree to take the money, but now our children are unlikely. We are changing, the world is changing, but the ideas of communism are dead and we should not flatter ourselves about them. Do not believe me, ask Zyuganov. And don't judge me.
    1. saygon66
      saygon66 15 January 2022 03: 40
      +3
      - And here let me disagree with you!
      - The more contradictions accumulate in a society oriented towards the values ​​of capitalism, the more attractive the ideas of a communist society become ... The desire for social justice and social equality is an integral part of human nature. And, most importantly, this desire is inherent in the young ... and behind them, whatever one may say, is the future.
    2. IS-80_RVGK2
      IS-80_RVGK2 15 January 2022 15: 41
      +1
      Quote: Alexey RU64
      there must be social pressure from below, since the top does not want to.

      Who should?
      Quote: Alexey RU64
      We are changing, the world is changing, but the ideas of communism are dead and we should not flatter ourselves about them. Do not believe me, ask Zyuganov.

      Why not Trump? Is he any worse? Have you really decided that you are so smart and this graphomaniac shit of yours will go with a bang?
  27. Altona
    Altona 14 January 2022 20: 07
    0
    Quote: Alexey RU64
    Do you know what is different from a fool?

    ------------------------
    I live a long time simply and have seen a lot. I managed to live under Brezhnev for 14 years. Nikolai Bondarenko hello by the way. You are from Saratov.
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 22: 45
      -3
      No, I served there. And of course I have no idea who it is.
  28. Seamaster
    Seamaster 14 January 2022 20: 20
    +3
    On the question of the officers killed in February 1917. Remember - and who was the first "Georgievsky Cavalier of the Revolution", personally awarded by Kerensky (this is a pepper like our Lechaim Navalny, but went further)? Non-commissioned officer Kirpichnikov! And for what he was awarded PERSONALLY by the Minister of the Provisional Government Kerensky? For the fact that he shot in the back killed the soldiers of his company commander in front of the formation, who persuaded the soldiers not to go to the city to rebel. The whole beau monde, all the LADIES showered the hero with flowers. Well, the sailors decided: "If the "makhra" can kill its officers, and even get "George" for it, then why can't we do it? We can!" And let's start with the "dentist" Viren, whom even the officers hated. And a new life went to the fleet ......
    1. Alexey RU64
      14 January 2022 22: 49
      -4
      Well, you're right, exactly half. Kirpichnikov was awarded not by Kerensky, but by Kornilov. The most shameful fact said a lot about him. Just like Brusilov, who put on a red bow and shouted that he had always been for the revolution. Scum. Why did the Bolsheviks love Brusilov. Kornilov wanted a military dictatorship, but he was an ass and could not cope with it. And we will dance for ours and yours for 3 rubles, so we danced. I didn’t read that Viren was hated by officers. But the fact is that Kronstadt, in fact, was a training camp and a corresponding contingent, and there was also a guardhouse there and all kinds of shit were sent there from ships. Here it is gone. As they say, throw yeast into water, nothing will happen, but throw it into poop and it will climb, um, like yeast.
      1. Seamaster
        Seamaster 14 January 2022 23: 41
        +1
        Viren in the Russo-Japanese War, while serving on the 1st Pacific Squadron, drove to madness and nervous breakdowns with his nit-picking, spacing and insults even subordinate officers. And he knocked out the teeth and broke the jaws of the sailors almost every day. In 1917, already in Kronstadt, he was SIMPLY TORN TO PIECES.
      2. Seamaster
        Seamaster 15 January 2022 14: 10
        +1
        I wasn't wrong. And you are right by a quarter. I quote: “Alexander Fedorovich Kerensky publicly called him “soldier of the revolution number one” and came up with a revolutionary award for his “protégé” - the Russian St. George Cross on a red bow. And the “first general of the revolution” Lavr Kornilov, commander (since March 2) District, personally handing the cross to Timothy, announced the assignment of an officer rank to him:
    2. bk0010
      bk0010 15 January 2022 01: 21
      +3
      Quote: Seamaster
      For the fact that he shot in the back killed the soldiers of his company commander in front of the formation, who persuaded the soldiers not to go to the city to rebel.
      Read about what you are trying to describe. Lashkevich tried to force the soldiers to go and shoot the rallies.
      1. Seamaster
        Seamaster 15 January 2022 14: 02
        +1
        Did you read this in the Rabotnitsa magazine for 1948? What kind of execution of rallies, when the entire Petrograd garrison stood at these rallies, and the tsar's cousin with a red bow went to this rally at the head of a column of guards crew of sailors?
        1. bk0010
          bk0010 15 January 2022 15: 29
          0
          Quote: Seamaster
          Did you read this in the Rabotnitsa magazine for 1948?

          https://topwar.ru/92604-pervyy-soldat-revolyucii.html
          https://topwar.ru/103600-rokovaya-oshibka-timofeya-kirpichnikova.html
          https://topwar.ru/109414-chas-mordoboya.html
  29. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 15 January 2022 12: 19
    +1
    This article is from a parallel Universe and it is very similar to the article "Russian Empire. New Facts", previously posted on VO by a certain Dmitry Filatov, apparently the ideological twin brother of Alexei Ptitsa. I can only repeat myself: the author presented readers with an ordinary alternative history, confidently pulling an owl on a globe. The same nonsense has been regularly preached by Dionysus Kaptar (Dmitry Zykin) for a long time, who reacted somewhat painfully when he was poked with his nose in exaggerations and twitching in his pseudo-historical socio-economic publications on the topic "The Russia we have lost."
    If such opuses appear from time to time, then someone needs it, and since there is a demand, there are also people who satisfy it - from ideological to scatterbrained and cynical ...
  30. Illanatol
    Illanatol 15 January 2022 14: 04
    +3
    Quote: Alexey RU64
    My dear, if we had not had a revolution and a civil war, then our population would have been 500 million, and the entire Caucasus would have been assimilated.


    Where do the stories about 500 million come from? From Mendeleev's opus? He was a brilliant chemist, but a poor demographer. Linear extrapolation in demography is not applicable.
    According to Mendeleev, the population of the United States by the end of the 20th century should have been 450 million people. In reality, about 300 million. Are the communists also to blame?

    If there had been no WWII, there would have been another big war.
    World War II was programmed back in Versailles in 1918 and not by the communists.
    1. Seamaster
      Seamaster 15 January 2022 14: 14
      +3
      Mendellev considered simply: every Russian woman gave birth 15 times on average. Half of the children survived. Growing children gave birth to children and so on. No revolution, no world wars. Here I live with my wife for 41 years. We should have had 7 children (according to Mendeleev). And we only have two. So, 5 more children were killed by evil commies.
  31. Illanatol
    Illanatol 15 January 2022 14: 15
    +2
    Quote: Alexey RU64
    But given the wave of emigration, the Civil War, typhus, the peasant uprisings of 1920, their suppression by famine. The Holodomor of the 30s, a mediocre war won with huge casualties and losses of territories, and then their return with a completely destroyed infrastructure, then that’s what it comes out to.


    But before 1917, our history was - solid splendor. No wars, no famines, no epidemics.
    And the Slavs bred because they lived in the countryside and did not suffer from the vices of civilization.
    But if they began to develop the industry, live in cities ... well, at least like the Swedes. Strongly Swedes bred in the 20th century? And the French? And the Spaniards? How much has their population grown over the last century?
    True, there were countries with explosive demographics: in Asia, in Africa. Most are colonies. They would have remained colonies if not for the "damned commies".

    The only alternative to the revolution then was a riot, the collapse of the country and a dictatorship with brown sauce.
  32. Radikal
    Radikal 15 January 2022 16: 02
    -1
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    One thing touched me in it: this is the expressed opinion that in Kazakhstan there was not just an attempt at a Maidan coup, but a real rebellion against the authorities
    The same is said by Platoshkin, Potapenko, and many honest people of leftist views. The first days there was a really peaceful protest, but then muddy individuals appeared, distributing alcohol and calling for pogroms.
    Radicalization and pogroms were beneficial to the authorities in the first place.
    And the problem is that the people were simply crushed by force, tightening the spring of discontent even more strongly. I have repeatedly said that I am against the introduction of troops, because this is a disservice to the Russian population of Kazakhstan.
    Now the people are angry, but they understand that they will not get through to the authorities. And the Russian neighbors, here they are, nearby, it was their troops, in the understanding of ordinary Kazakhs, that prevented them from overthrowing the government. And the spring will unfold precisely in the direction of the Russian population.
    PS But how many slogans with conditions were there - Baikonur, the Russian language, US laboratories. Well, are you tired?

    In addition -
    https://zen.yandex.ru/media/holmogorow/kazahstanskii-gambit-mirotvorcev-seli-serye-volki-i-eto-na-fone-gibeli-grajdanki-rossii-61e17e0a46f84409504e24f0?&
  33. Radikal
    Radikal 15 January 2022 18: 50
    0
    Quote: Alexey RU64
    Listen, no one ever knows when and to whom the answer will come ...
    Amateurish approach. In order to identify the threat upon the arrival of the "response" there are special services, if they smoke bamboo, then of course .... In addition, a leader is needed who will correctly assess the incoming information and make a decision. sad
  34. Sergey Stepanov_5
    Sergey Stepanov_5 16 January 2022 09: 33
    0
    wanted to write the same:
    Civil (Vadim)
    14 January 2022 12: 36
    NEW

    +25
    The main thing is people's dissatisfaction. Nobody wants to meet the needs of the population. From this there is a split, for 3 years I have been warning about the consequences. You can write as much as you want about "20 terrorists" in Kazakhstan or "20 Polish intelligence agents" in Belarus, but this does not solve social problems.
    Rising prices for everything, low wages, lack of rights. Even the reasons lie on the surface. It feels like people are deliberately driven to rebellion.
  35. Illanatol
    Illanatol 16 January 2022 14: 05
    0
    Quote: Alexey RU64
    Kornilov wanted a military dictatorship, but he was an ass and could not cope with it.


    Well, Kolchak established a military dictatorship over a fairly large area. How viable was this dictatorship, despite the support of "democracies" and good financial security (gold reserves)?

    Dreamers, wishes. The autocracy has died and completely, and liberal democracy in a country with such a social structure is not even a utopia, but a dystopia. If, after 100 years, parliamentarism did not take root in our country and ended back in October 1993,
    So either Soviet power or home-grown kondo fascism. You seem to prefer the last option.
  36. Illanatol
    Illanatol 16 January 2022 14: 09
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    Quote: Alexey RU64
    Now is a different time and revolutions must go away, there must be social pressure from below, since the tops do not want to. And this pressure should increase in proportion to the idiocy.


    What difference does it make what time it is?
    What makes you think that these revolutions owe something to someone? Where is it recorded? laughing
    If the objective and subjective prerequisites coincide, a revolution is quite possible. And whether someone likes it or not - it will not matter.
  37. Illanatol
    Illanatol 17 January 2022 14: 18
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    Quote: Alexey RU64
    and there was no higher education then.


    In the pre-war USSR there were no institutes and universities? Maybe there was no Academy of Sciences then?
    This is already beyond the bounds of adequacy, you know.
  38. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim Today, 01: 06
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    Quote: Ingvar 72
    But they have no chance to become citizens.

    Yes, Ingvar, it's not Russia.
    With us, any Tajik-Kazakh-Kyrgyz-Turkmen-Georgian-Armenian receives citizenship in 3 (three) months!
    Moreover, no one checks the applicant for a criminal record (under what article).
    For Russia, any Asian migrant is worth its weight in gold.
    Our population, and until 2019, was declining at a murderous pace. Apparently, this is why citizenship is so diligently handed out in order to level the monstrous statistics. Moreover, it is much more difficult for the Slavs to obtain citizenship! Even before the Crimea, a work colleague (a native Muscovite) for more than a year (from 2009 to 2011) was trying to get citizenship for his wife from Ukraine. Even the birth of a child in Moscow did not speed up the receipt. Although his Uzbek concierge got our passport in less than 3 (three)! month.
  39. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 Today, 10: 20
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    за полицейскими охотились даже мальчишки и старухи, обзывая их фараонами (доселе неизвестная для околоточных кличка). А поймав, буквально разрывали, избивая до смерти
    Да. Очень провластная статья. Боюсь лишь, что власть наша и сама верит во все эти враки. Городовых убивала боевая организация эсеров, хладнокровно и организованно. Газеты, находящиеся под контролем тех, кто контролировал и эсеров, писали то, что им сказано.
    "Городское дно"? Врать себе смертельно опасно. Дно, разумеется, включилось. Но движущей силой бунта, а не спецоперации элитных заговорщиков, которые подпалили то, о чем и не думали, стал именно народ. Когда удается красть взахлеб, элита всегда, во всех странах и временах, дурнеет. Свинеет, расслабляется, становится тупым стадом, почитающим себя гениальными политиками и управленцами. За что всегда страдает страна.
    Назарбаев ванильно мечтал о "новом Сингапуре", совершенно не замечая, что крепкую государственную власть не построил, а имеет под собой рыхлую восточную сатрапию. Его нукеры крали, врали и барствовали, оттягиваясь на народе, которому день и ночь демонстрировали, что они все, а народ ничто. В результате чего люди, которые должны были занимать места, оккупированные воровской "элитой", по уму и умениям, оказались за бортом жизни. К чему это привело? К самой обычной революционной ситуации.
    Элита думает, что государство, это она. А это совершенно не так. Государство, это дворники, продавцы и слесари. Народ. И что оный народ видит? С одной стороны разная мразь, занимающая важнейшие места НЕ ПО ПРАВУ. Потому что это самое право, это не родственные связи, не взятки и не убийства, как сейчас. Это ум и умения. Именно и только это может признавать народ как право власти. И еще - постоянное служение на передовой. Войны, армия вообще, но в самых боевых частях, и т.д.
    С другой - наиподлейшая борьба с теми, кто чего то стоит. Когда Вексельберг с одобрения государства отобрал у Дурова его Дело, это нанесло ущерб, который власти и представить себе не способны... Ах да, я же про Казахстан) В общем народ - источник власти. И едва где то чуть хлопнуло - поднялся НАРОД. Все это очень, очень, очень опасно...