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US Analysts' Ratings of the F-15EX: From Claims of Superiority over Competitors to Words of Uselessness

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Recently, American experts have been paying particular attention to the F-15EX fighter. This aircraft, in their opinion, has a number of interesting qualities, and it differs in relatively affordable cost compared to its main competitors.


John Keller, editor of Military & Aerospace Electronics, writes that one of the fighter's main advantages is its large payload, the ability to use an all-weather Stormbreaker bomb with precise guidance.

Chris Osborne of the American edition of The National Interest notes that the F-15EX may be more subtle than its competitors. While many experts argue that the new high-tech aircraft will still be the fourth generation fighter, some of its upgrades go beyond the traditional characteristics of this generation of aircraft.

For example, the fighter is based on a 1970s aircraft model, but contains noticeable improvements in sensors, armament, and even the fuselage. The design and configuration of the aircraft and its coating make the aircraft less visible than its prototypes, although, of course, stealth technologies are not used to such a high degree as in the F-22 or F-35.

The F-15EX fighter, according to the American press, has conformal fuel tanks, which allow for a greater supply of fuel during the flight, but also make the aircraft less visible. The United States Air Force has so far ordered eight new F-15EX jet fighters with improved avionics, navigation systems and radar. But this is only the first batch.

However, estimates of the F-15EX Advanced Eagle differ: a number of analysts in the United States consider the aircraft one of the biggest mistakes of the American military. aviation and the military industry. It is argued that the aircraft will not be able to withstand the latest Russian and Chinese air defense systems, so its creation is almost useless for the American armed forces.
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  1. Sergei Zabelin
    Sergei Zabelin 12 January 2022 14: 10
    +13
    Everything is like ours, the "expert" sits on the "expert" and drives the "expert"
    1. Alex777
      Alex777 12 January 2022 17: 13
      +1
      Each VPK concern has its own salary expert. )))
  2. Kaufman
    Kaufman 12 January 2022 14: 11
    +12
    and what is this article about? Maybe a good plane, maybe a bad one
  3. Lonely loner
    Lonely loner 12 January 2022 14: 19
    -3
    Who are the amovs bothered to order these cars ??? It was so good when they bought their super duper F-35!
  4. Lonely loner
    Lonely loner 12 January 2022 14: 20
    0
    Who is involved in the site ??? Why is it constantly buggy ??????
  5. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 12 January 2022 14: 21
    +20
    It is argued that the aircraft will not be able to withstand the latest Russian and Chinese air defense systems, so its creation is almost useless.
    and he should not resist air defense systems.
    He is the plane of the second wave. An advanced bomb carrier for killing everything that the Tomahawks and Penguins did not kill in the first raid. And on occasion, he himself can cope with the enemy, let's say, of the second level of advancement.
    1. dauria
      dauria 12 January 2022 16: 10
      +2
      He is the plane of the second wave. An advanced bomb carrier to kill everything

      It works great in bundles. AWACS plus a tanker and a couple of F-15s are meeting our strategists over the Arctic. In the same way, they will cover short routes through the Aleutian and Alaska from the Chinese. Yes, and all sorts of byaki from large UAVs - to drive scouts over the sea.
      In general, the car is successful. And a bunch of F-15s with F-16s in general gave rise to new strong tactics of front-line aviation. The Jews used them with success. And it will work together with the F-35. The main thing is to correctly choose a role for everyone in a common undertaking. This is not a whipping boy, and he can stand up for himself with such a bunch of missiles and others to cover or create tactical benefits for them. ... The fact that you see a threat does not cancel it - you are already constrained in actions and have to take it into account.
      Smart decision. The F-22 line was dismantled, it makes no sense to renew it. And the F-15 is an excellent solution for the time being. And for a long time.
  6. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 January 2022 14: 26
    +1
    He has no secrecy.
    When the F-15 was designed in the 70s, they did not think about it at all.
    But the avionics was replaced by him fairly.
    Therefore, these new ones can successfully replace the first generations of the F-15, which are being decommissioned.
    And ordered a little of them. In order not to reduce the Air Force due to the decommissioning of old aircraft.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 12 January 2022 15: 06
      -8
      it's not about secrecy, but about the fact that the f-35 showed itself not from its best side, therefore it was decided to keep part of the f-15/16 fleet.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 January 2022 16: 27
        0
        For the F-35, on the contrary, 2021 was a turning point. He was finally "believed" in the Pentagon. As before in the KMP.
        Therefore, the program for the development of a new generation engine for the F-35 was approved. Three-circuit, with an increase in the radius of action by 50%
        1. Shahno
          Shahno 12 January 2022 17: 26
          0
          Yes, I know, the tests are going to increase, for example, thrust by 10 percent. And this is already a serious level for fighters with 2 engines.
        2. Barberry25
          Barberry25 12 January 2022 17: 33
          0
          so they believed that at the same time they ordered f-15/16?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 12 January 2022 17: 44
            +1
            Yes. F-35s are purchased regularly every year. Multi-year program.
            And the F-15 is a one-time order. Compensation for decommissioned or grounded F-15 and F-22
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 12 January 2022 19: 16
              +2
              Well, the Americans will not abandon the F-35 in any case, a lot of funds have been invested + orders from "NATO partners", and they may ask themselves why the Americans suddenly refused to purchase .. But in general, the problem of the 5th generation is that they are expensive for most of the current tasks are redundant, so I would not be very surprised If the Americans keep the entire staff of f-15s by updating them with purchases of EXs, and f-21s will eventually be purchased, just like they saved the warthogs, although they were also "prophesied" to be removed and buy the F-35. But for the future, the Americans have already decided everything and started working on the next generation, or rather, the replacement of the F-35. So far, the Su-57 has just begun to be deployed, and the MIG-41 is very interesting
              1. Momento
                Momento 13 January 2022 07: 20
                -1
                f-35 is the new f-16. and f-22 will change to ngad. in the meantime, ngad will temporarily work in the development of f-15. the Americans did not calculate when they finished the production of the f-22 too early. of course, the f-22 is incomparable with the f-15ex, but it is pointless to resume production of the f-22 now. too expensive, and f15 will be both cheap and in the future a tactical carrier of a hypersonic missile.
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 13 January 2022 12: 24
                  +1
                  the production of f-22 is not pointless, but not possible, they have lost competence due to a larger number of subcontractors
    2. Bond, James Bond
      Bond, James Bond 12 January 2022 15: 51
      +5
      Quote: voyaka uh
      He has no secrecy.
      When the F-15 was designed in the 70s, they did not think about it at all.

      The F-15EX is an aircraft of the same generation and class as the Su-35. Somehow, measures to reduce the visibility in it, relative to older versions, are still implemented. It seems to be "four", but according to some characteristics "five", so they invent numbers like 4 ++ for them
      Even the EX's glider is structurally different, because the Americans do not convert old aircraft into this version, but build them from scratch.
      New motors, completely different, modern avionics, radar with AFAR, OLS, electronic warfare systems, etc., as well as an unprecedentedly high combat load.
      The F-15EX was not even conceived of as a replacement for the 5th generation machines, it is a replacement for the F-15C / D. And must work in conjunction with the F-35. They are like target designators, EX are like arsenal aircraft, for example.

      So you, too, do not intend to abandon the F-15, as far as I know. On the contrary, there was even talk about purchasing EX?
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 12 January 2022 16: 22
        +2
        Israel needs F-15s because of their high bomb capacity.
        There are no bombers, they are replaced by F-15s.
        Israeli F-15s are completely worn out, gliders have a limit. (so it doesn't work like with transport helicopters).

        The Americans have a pit for heavy fighters. F-22 is not enough, F-15 is also starting to be written off.
        NGAD - in prototypes.
        We accepted a compromise - to produce 100 F-15s.
        This purchase has nothing to do with the large-scale F-35 program.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 12 January 2022 17: 15
          -1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          We accepted a compromise - to produce 100 F-15s.

          I heard about 200. Is it 100?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 12 January 2022 17: 51
            -1
            Along with the first eight F-15EXs, which were approved in the fiscal year 2020 budget, the Air Force has requested 12 F-15EXs in FY21 and plans to ask for 64 jets from FY22 to FY25.
            While there is an order for 80+.
            Until 2025 year.
            The maximum figure I have met is 144.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 12 January 2022 19: 00
              -1
              Yes you are right. 144. hi

              https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4086790.html
          2. bayard
            bayard 12 January 2022 20: 05
            +1
            Quote: Alex777
            I heard about 200. Is it 100?

            And I'm talking about 144 pieces. for the National Guard. These are essentially interceptors - continental air defense, they do not need stealth.
        2. Bond, James Bond
          Bond, James Bond 12 January 2022 19: 02
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          There are no bombers

          you don't need them. They are completely replaced by heavy information security

          Quote: voyaka uh
          The Americans have a pit for heavy fighters. F-22 is not enough

          so you would hardly have taken the F-22 instead of the F-15EX. There are few "Raptors" and they are also "shabby", in addition, when working on the ground (and this is the main task), the "Eagle" will give the "Raptor" a head start. There is nothing to choose from (especially if from the American one) - only F-15
          Quote: voyaka uh
          This purchase has nothing to do with the large-scale F-35 program

          by itself
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 12 January 2022 17: 39
        0
        just a few years ago, the Americans officially announced that the f-35 would become a replacement for all f-15 / 16s, and then, for some reason, they changed their minds and made an order for f-15s and began to actively discuss the purchase of f-21 ... why would it be *
      3. bk0010
        bk0010 12 January 2022 21: 18
        0
        Quote: Bond James Bond
        The F-15EX is an aircraft of the same generation and class as the Su-35.
        Su-34 (F-15E strike vehicle, F-15C / D fighters)
        1. Bond, James Bond
          Bond, James Bond 13 January 2022 00: 08
          -1
          Quote: bk0010
          Su-34 (F-15E strike vehicle, F-15C / D fighters)

          The F-15EX is being created as a replacement specifically for the F-15C / D. You can be convinced of this in the English-language editions and on the website of the Boeing corporation.

          The F-15EX is not an analogue of the Su-34. Rather an analogue (not direct) of the Su-30SM

          You probably just overlooked the accents I made and why I didn't mention the Su-30SM. EX is a generation 4 ++ aircraft, like the Su-35. These aircraft have absorbed the latest achievements of both aircraft industries (composites in the airframe, motors, avionics, radar, etc.), without being the aircraft of the 5th generation. The Su-30SM needs modernization (therefore, it is not mentioned), and this has already been announced.
          I hope the logic of thinking is clear?
  7. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 January 2022 14: 26
    +9
    It is argued that the aircraft will not be able to withstand the latest Russian and Chinese air defense systems.

    Who can? And there are a lot of missions where stealth is not needed at all .... but range, carrying capacity and a powerful radar are needed.
  8. Jcvai
    Jcvai 12 January 2022 14: 28
    +11
    Amoleth will not be able to withstand the latest Russian and Chinese air defense systems

    As far as I remember from his early discussions, the task of breaking through air defense is not posed, and one of the main areas of application is fire support due to the payload.
    It's like saying that Armata is bad, because it cannot drive poachers on the sea borders.
  9. mvg
    mvg 12 January 2022 14: 30
    +5
    Author: Ilya Polonsky

    As usual, . author, I have a couple of shovels, you are in demand there
  10. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 12 January 2022 14: 38
    -13
    the aircraft will not be able to withstand the latest Russian and Chinese air defense systems,
    A F 35 type can) Of course, an aircraft designed to save the defenses collapsed due to F 35, and should receive such a press) So much money has been made on the 35th that there will be enough for the press anyway ...
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 13 January 2022 15: 41
      +1
      AF 35 type CAN

      - F-22 can and F-35 can. Is it time to know already?
  11. Castro Ruiz
    Castro Ruiz 12 January 2022 15: 00
    +7
    F 15 EX
    A very good car got it for its tasks.
  12. Genry
    Genry 12 January 2022 15: 09
    -1
    The Americans saw that the production of the Su-35 was not stopped in Russia, so they rolled out a similar A-15EX. True, he was covered with conformal tanks and he began to look obese.
  13. svp67
    svp67 12 January 2022 15: 36
    +1
    Everything will be put into place by the operation and combat use of these Israeli Air Force aircraft ...
    1. Outsider
      Outsider 13 January 2022 15: 45
      +2
      - That here "put in places" ?? The F-15 has been in service with the Israeli Air Force for 40 years! The F-15EX is its deeply modernized version, with an excellent radar with AFAR, which Russian electronic warfare systems cannot suppress, with an excellent and completely new other avionics. What else is there to "put in place" that has not been put in place in 40 years ?!
  14. APASUS
    APASUS 12 January 2022 15: 54
    -5
    It is argued that the aircraft will not be able to withstand the latest Russian and Chinese air defense systems.

    An interesting statement. Here's how the Americans argued that the F-117A was not visible to radars at all ................. and the Yugoslavs did not understand this
    1. Bond, James Bond
      Bond, James Bond 12 January 2022 15: 59
      -2
      Quote: APASUS
      the Americans claimed that the F-117A not visible to radars at all

      Who claimed? Journalists or Pentagon Representatives?
    2. V means B
      V means B 12 January 2022 16: 04
      -4
      No, the Serbs simply did not know this.)
      1. Outsider
        Outsider 13 January 2022 15: 50
        +1
        - Aren't you tired of this "bucket to drive"? Per 78 days of the air war, the F-117 aircraft performed ~ 850 sorties, crumbling into the trash the Serbian infrastructure, making the main contribution to the victory of NATO, to the achievement of the main goals, while it was lost 1 (one) F-117.
        Russia in the "five-day" war with Georgia lost the Tu-22M, Su-24M and 6 Su-25 (three were shot down by "friendly fire").
        Is it so difficult to compare and contrast ?!
  15. Bond, James Bond
    Bond, James Bond 12 January 2022 15: 58
    -1
    Fighter ratings (XXXX) from analysts: from claims of superiority over competitors to words about its uselessness
    substitute for XXXX the designation of any aircraft, and a new article is ready. It is clear that opinions regarding any technique can be polar.
  16. Antokha
    Antokha 12 January 2022 16: 23
    +2
    Conformal fuel tanks are a great topic. Aerodynamic, do not require a suspension point, even carry the holders themselves. I was hoping that ours would also start doing these. But they are not removable, right?
    1. Bond, James Bond
      Bond, James Bond 12 January 2022 18: 56
      +1
      Quote: Anton
      Conformal fuel tanks are a great topic. Aerodynamic, do not require a suspension point, even carry the holders themselves. I was hoping that ours would also start doing these. But they are not removable, right?

      Removable
  17. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 12 January 2022 17: 58
    +2
    US Analysts' Ratings of the F-15EX: From Claims of Superiority over Competitors to Words of Uselessness
    How many subjects, so many opinions. And considering that from whose pocket (manufacturer, consumer, competitor) the magazine feeds ... request
    As of 2018, about 180 F-15 aircraft crashed in all countries
    Nuuu for 1500 pieces, and even for almost half a century, not so much.
  18. Teador
    Teador 12 January 2022 22: 34
    -1
    Quote: Lonely Loner
    Who is involved in the site ??? Why is it constantly buggy ??????

    Well Duc PROBABLY BECAUSE YOU ARE LONELY AND NOT WITH US
  19. Outsider
    Outsider 13 January 2022 15: 51
    +1
    Quote: Anton
    Conformal fuel tanks are a great topic. Aerodynamic, do not require a suspension point, even carry the holders themselves. I was hoping that ours would also start doing these. But they are not removable, right?

    - Why take them off? They are usually not removed ...
  20. Outsider
    Outsider 13 January 2022 16: 02
    +1
    Quote: APASUS
    It is argued that the aircraft will not be able to withstand the latest Russian and Chinese air defense systems.

    An interesting statement. Here is how the Americans argued that the F-117A is not visible to radars at all.

    - It's simple terry lie... Journalists could argue that journalists are the same in all countries.
  21. Alexandr bogun
    Alexandr bogun 13 January 2022 22: 00
    -3
    This is probably the first time I went to read the article, and the comments are much more interesting and informative than the article itself. Usually all the info about NATO equipment, the USA (individually), Ukraine, etc. come down to "everything is g..no", "we have everything better", "All NATO generals, hang yourself, the Russians are coming".)))
    And here right in the comments how much information on the case and read with pleasure. Guys, I applaud you, handsome guys would always be like this. drinks
    1. AML
      AML 14 January 2022 10: 34
      +1
      Unfortunately, VO began to smell of yellowness. 90% articles on topics
      1) We are all going to die
      2) We beat everyone up.

      Minimal objectivity.