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European observers: Taiwan's investment in microchip production in Lithuania could bring the country a profit that France and Germany can only dream of

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European officials are trying to support Lithuania in its emerging confrontation with China. Let us recall that the essence of the confrontation is the opening of a Lithuanian representative office in Taipei and a representative office of Taiwan in Vilnius. The Chinese government protested strongly, eventually imposing sanctions against the Republic of Lithuania. In particular, Lithuanian goods, as well as goods in transit through Lithuania, are prohibited from entering the PRC markets. In addition, many Chinese companies have refused to supply their products to the Republic of Lithuania. Lithuania imposed its own "restrictions" on the PRC, urging the European Union to do the same - to close its markets for Chinese products. Instead, the EU, realizing what such a move could lead to, decided to use rhetoric rather than actions.


The European edition Politico.eu is trying to present the situation as “a possible economic success of Lithuania”. In particular, information is provided that Taiwan may open a plant for the production of popular microchips in the Baltic republic.

From the material of European journalists Stuart Law and Lawrence Cerulus trying to cheer up Vilnius:

The confrontation between Lithuania and China over Taiwan, Taiwan's investments in the production of microchips in Lithuania can bring this Baltic country a profit that France and Germany can only dream of. This is an investment in the production of microchips.

The authors in their material talk about how much such products are in demand on the EU market, and how they are now in short supply. It goes on to say that if microchips are started to be produced in Lithuania using Taiwanese technology, then such products can satisfy the needs of the entire European Union, bringing Lithuania billions in profits.

Reportedly, “at the first stage, Taiwan is ready to invest 200 million dollars” in “Lithuanian microchip production”. However, later European reporters write that the final decision, it turns out, has not yet been made in Taipei. The statement of the head of the Taiwan office in Vilnius is cited, who noted that “the opportunity to invest in the creation of an enterprise for the production of semiconductor elements in Lithuania is being considered”.

The EU encourages Lithuania by reminding that Taiwan's semiconductor industry currently occupies about 54% of the global microchip market. Annual income from this exceeds $ 100 billion.

However, a number of European experts, commenting on the situation, say that even if Taiwan invests $ 200 million in an enterprise to create microchips in Lithuania, it will become “just a drop in the ocean”:

This is clearly not enough to open a plant that could actually meet the needs of the European Union for semiconductor components.
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  1. AbacUssR
    AbacUssR 11 January 2022 09: 04
    0
    Yes nafig chips, they are old stuff. Let's build intergalactic cruisers right away!
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 11 January 2022 09: 52
      +2
      I don’t believe it ... it cannot be that way, by definition, there is where to produce, both cheaper and closer.
      1. parma
        parma 11 January 2022 10: 04
        -5
        Quote: Aerodrome
        I don’t believe it ... it cannot be that way, by definition, there is where to produce, both cheaper and closer.

        Check out the economic theory first, that such a middle-income country and the trap of these very middle incomes ... besides "cheaper" there is a question of risks ... for example, in Belarus or Kazakhstan (and in our case, the Magnitsky case as an example) it will be even cheaper, but the risks are great that a certain official / security officer / friend / relative of the head of state decides to take over the plant for a couple of billions before it even pays off, and the court says - this is how it should be ...
        1. Invoce
          Invoce 11 January 2022 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: parma
          Quote: Aerodrome
          I don’t believe it ... it cannot be that way, by definition, there is where to produce, both cheaper and closer.

          Read economic theory first, what a middle-income country is and the middle-income trap... besides "cheaper" there is a question of risks ... for example, in Belarus or Kazakhstan (and in our case, the Magnitsky case as an example) will be even cheaper, but the risks are great that a certain official / security officer / friend / relative of the head of state decides to take over the plant a couple of billions before it even pays off, and the court says - this is how it should be ...

          Why so categorically declare their point of view ???
          Are you aware of demography in the Baltic States Sprat? How many young people, how many have the appropriate education? How many of them went to Britain to clean fish? In general, with labor resources, how are they doing? With energy? Farmers will go in droves, about a few hundred people, to sign up for work ???
          The exhaust will be ??? I do not believe!!!
        2. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 11 January 2022 13: 11
          +3
          Counteroffer ...

          Check out the technologies for "microchip production". And then, try to clarify, for the forum, what, in fact, is the article talking about? ..

          About the production of "VLSI crystals", i.e. about a plant - a "planar" of a full cycle, from obtaining chemically pure silicon, growing and cutting the corresponding "ingots", using the entire range of required gases, diffusion furnaces, implantation, functioning, etc.? .. Or about "assembly" ?. Ie about the banal installation of VLSI crystals on boards?

          Then let's talk about the risks ...
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 11 January 2022 10: 46
        +4
        Quote: Aerodrome
        I don’t believe it ... it cannot be that way, by definition, there is where to produce, both cheaper and closer.

        And I believe. And in reality I see how the entire European Union, led by Germany, lined up to Lithuania with an outstretched hand. And the fact that the Tribaltika is begging in the European Union and lives only at the expense of their handouts - do not believe it! This is all Russian propaganda. Tribaltica is the most powerful economic and transport cluster, which has no equal in the whole of Europe!

        I'm already tired ... I haven't written so many nonsense for a long time ...
        1. Prapor-527
          Prapor-527 11 January 2022 11: 34
          -2
          What chips? Their Internet is satisfied with 25 kilobits, they also rewind, they do not have time to figure it out.
      3. SovAr238A
        SovAr238A 11 January 2022 13: 55
        +3
        Quote: Aerodrome
        I don’t believe it ... it cannot be that way, by definition, there is where to produce, both cheaper and closer.

        The production of chips is so expensive in itself in terms of capital investment that geography does not affect the cost at all.
        In Europe, there are chip production ...
  2. engineer74
    engineer74 11 January 2022 09: 06
    +16
    If the transfer of chip production is really profitable, then the same Germany and France will do it. wassat
    It seems that European observers were bitten by our non-brothers sad
    1. The black
      The black 11 January 2022 09: 16
      +2
      Why should Taiwan locate production there? This is unlikely to be economically beneficial. There are countries with cheaper labor force much closer. Taiwanese (the same Chinese) know how to count money. So it is unlikely.
      1. Rostovchanin
        Rostovchanin 11 January 2022 09: 30
        +9
        Yes, there is a message that it CAN open ... but it can also NOT open ...
      2. ALARI
        ALARI 11 January 2022 12: 43
        +2
        Chip production is a full-cycle automatic plant and a dozen specialists, it does not need millions of low-paid workers. The main value is the plant itself and the technologies that we already have. And the likelihood that Taiwan will become part of the PRC cannot be dumped, all eggs are not kept in one basket. Quiet haven.
        1. ABC-schutze
          ABC-schutze 11 January 2022 13: 18
          +1
          "Chip production is a full-cycle automatic plant and a dozen specialists ..."
          ************************************************** *********
          There, "a dozen specialists" only for round-the-clock and continuous provision of one "power engineering" (that is, the required level of electronic-vacuum hygiene in all technological rooms) will turn out to be too small ...

          Such factories (production) are profitable only if there are CONSTANT ORDERS for microchips in a LARGE VOLUME.

          And the proper quality of manufactured products can be ensured only with CONTINUOUS work, and not work from "order to order" ...

          Someone will be able to "guarantee" this to the limitrophe? ..
          1. ALARI
            ALARI 11 January 2022 13: 28
            +1
            If Taiwan joins the PRC, there will be orders. I would not be surprised if the charges are laid under the chip factories in Taiwan just in case of joining China. Even though those and those Chinese, but how to speak found a scythe on a stone.
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 11 January 2022 13: 59
            +1
            They can.
            More than a 10-fold increase in the production of electric vehicles, wind turbines, and solars is planned.
            Everyone needs additional controller capacities.
            Now all TVs already come with Android.
            All sorts of smart speakers.
            And many more.
            1. ABC-schutze
              ABC-schutze 11 January 2022 15: 03
              +3
              Well, the aforementioned "electric car" in terms of "electronic bells and whistles" (diagnostic and control systems) is fundamentally nothing from a "normal" car and does not differ. This time ...

              Are you planning a "tenfold growth"? .. It pleases ...

              But, there are suspicions that it will occur due to the "write-off" of the vehicle fleet operating on the "internal combustion". In other words, the total number of "running" ordinary cars, in the context of the demand for microchips, will not grow much ...

              And have you already found a place in the "cities of Europe" for "gas-free" provision of parking lots for refueling electric vehicles?

              Windmills and solar panels are just elements (nodes) of generation. Themselves in themselves "electronic bells and whistles" are not carrying. And the system for managing them and monitoring their state, in principle, in terms of the amount of saturation with microchips, from the existing control systems, again, will not be particularly different ...

              Well, if "everyone needs", and this is a stable "piece of bread and butter," then who will give it to "uncle"? .. Who, especially, has problems with energy ...

              Vaughn, the loud Memel LNG terminal was launched "to fanfare" about 4 years ago. To ensure "independence" from Russia. And, until now, maintenance costs exceed the income from sales ...

              Not very often "overseas tankers" are in a hurry to unload. By the way, they were pinned down so that the local "chief" recently mentioned the possibility of considering the issue of building a "small nuclear power plant" ...

              This is after many years and loud screams at Belarus regarding the construction of the Ostrovets NPP ...

              In short, the limitrophes themselves, rather stupidly, did not create so many problems that now they will simply have a "sea of ​​projects". "Different and different" ...
    2. 9PA
      9PA 11 January 2022 09: 17
      +3
      In the modern world, chips are a strategic production. Nobody will allow to place the production of modern chips in Europe and Russia, not to mention Iran and so on.
      1. alystan
        alystan 11 January 2022 16: 31
        0
        And the Americans quite seriously offer Taiwan to destroy their factories in spite of mainland China, whose main goal they are.
        I don’t even know if you can trust these Americans or not.
        Lithuania is definitely not allowed. Either they provide help to the military Ukrainians, then they themselves, no worse than the chubaty ones, begin to gush with delusional ideas ...
    3. AbacUssR
      AbacUssR 11 January 2022 09: 57
      +3
      Give at least a couple of reasons why it is Taiwan that organizes the production of chips in Lithuania.
      1. military_cat
        military_cat 11 January 2022 11: 39
        +1
        Because in Taiwan, geopolitical risks are increasing in connection with a possible return to their home harbor, and the owners of the factories do not want to be left with factories that have turned into pumpkin without any backup plan.
        Because Taiwan is not recognized as an independent state with a corresponding extension of the principle of inviolability of state borders to it.
        Because Taiwan cannot join any interstate defense alliances that would support its security.
        1. the most important
          the most important 11 January 2022 22: 35
          0
          Quote: military_cat
          Because in Taiwan, geopolitical risks are increasing in connection with a possible return to their home harbor, and the owners of the factories do not want to be left with factories that have turned into pumpkin without any backup plan.

          The most elementary thing that comes to mind is why mainland China will not be able to guarantee the operation of factories in the event of reunification? Yes, they probably promised the owners of the factories as much as they never dreamed of!
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 12 January 2022 03: 20
            -1
            Quote: the most important
            why mainland China cannot guarantee the operation of factories in the event of reunification

            Because he will not be sold equipment and consumables, just as they do not sell them to him now (and even more so after the historic reunification).
  3. ose4kinsura
    ose4kinsura 11 January 2022 09: 06
    +8
    And Taiwan really needs a capricious and not an independent partner who will become a competitor tomorrow! No, that's why a fake!
    1. Mylenef
      Mylenef 11 January 2022 09: 40
      -1
      Aren't you "wagging" Taiwan?
  4. Two
    Two 11 January 2022 09: 07
    -1
    The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe! Why would the Taiwanese Chinese be so generous?
    1. Cat Alexandrovich
      Cat Alexandrovich 11 January 2022 09: 10
      +11
      But because Lithuania, in return, can transfer part of the production of its sprats to Taiwan! True, it may not endure ... recourse
  5. Sergey985
    Sergey985 11 January 2022 09: 08
    +2
    Lithuanians' fantasies will soon compete with Ukrainian ones.
  6. rocket757
    rocket757 11 January 2022 09: 11
    +8
    The statement of the head of the Taiwanese office in Vilnius is cited, who noted that “while the opportunity to invest in the creation of an enterprise for the production of semiconductor elements in Lithuania is being considered”.
    ... From considering possibilities, to realizing ...
    We will see.
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 January 2022 09: 21
      +5
      This is a suspended carrot for one more mrijschik ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 January 2022 10: 11
        +3
        Theoretically they can, but everything breaks down on the "harsh reality"!
        The Chinese veto is serious, weighty, no one will meddle with an avalanche ... ahead of everyone, at least.
        1. cniza
          cniza 11 January 2022 18: 22
          +4
          Theoretically everything is possible, but real life is not a fairy tale ...
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 11 January 2022 19: 02
            +1
            Quote: cniza
            Theoretically everything is possible, but real life is not a fairy tale ...

            hi I don’t remember where I read it, businessmen shared their plans to build a microchip plant - we are talking about investments from 4 to 5 lard, and here
            $ 200 million to a microchip company in Lithuania, it will be "just a drop in the ocean"
            Yes, and with a skilled workforce in the baltics, it’s not so hot, the Americans once thought about moving the auto plant to Jelgava, where the RAFs were producing - they changed their minds: they scoured the labor market and shed tears
            1. cniza
              cniza 11 January 2022 21: 16
              +3
              hi

              There is a concept of practice and possibility, in their version it is not even theoretically possible ...
              1. Pete mitchell
                Pete mitchell 11 January 2022 21: 24
                +2
                Quote: cniza
                in their version, it is not even theoretically possible ...
                Well, you really want to sweeten the pill ...
                1. cniza
                  cniza 12 January 2022 09: 38
                  +2
                  So they will hang a carrot, kamriychik ...
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 January 2022 09: 11
    -1
    The Americans promised to help the Lithuanians, they would only find a plane for the money! wassat
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 11 January 2022 09: 22
      +1
      Why search? Yankees rent Mriya from Svidomo, business is ...
      1. Genry
        Genry 11 January 2022 09: 47
        +2
        Mriya crippled her leg. Now he wants to eat. Maybe chew the loads.
        https://strana.today/news/370978-samolet-an-225-mrija-ne-mozhet-vyletet-iz-polshi-iz-za-povrezhdenija-stojki-shassi-.html
        1. Nexcom
          Nexcom 11 January 2022 09: 54
          +1
          Then "oh". They'll have to rent another plane ...
  8. Prisoner
    Prisoner 11 January 2022 09: 14
    +6
    winked China has already taken care of the production of microchips ("... In 2021, Beijing decided to allocate one and a half trillion US dollars for the deployment of its own production and import substitution of technologies through the efforts of Huawei, Alibaba, SenseTime instead of increasingly inaccessible solutions from IBM, Oracle, EMC. poaching TSMC engineers who are promised a two- or three-fold increase in salaries on the continent ... "), India has allocated $ 11 billion to attract chip manufacturers to the country. Where is Lithuania going ?! Although, let them dream.
    1. akims
      akims 11 January 2022 09: 40
      +3
      There is a campaign to entice TSMC engineers
      It never ended. A colleague's son was lured away from Korea five years ago. I don’t know how much they pay, but in Seoul he had very good conditions and he worked there for 20 years. And then he dropped everything and left with his family to China.
    2. Secutor
      Secutor 11 January 2022 13: 07
      0
      The problem is that the equipment for the production of chips is made in Holland ASML. With components from Japan, etc. And only then it is transported to Taiwan.


      You can at least lure all the engineers, but they make processors for equipment that they do not produce themselves.
      1. Basarev
        Basarev 12 January 2022 08: 49
        -1
        But the problem is urgent for Russia as well, but no one remembers this.
  9. Free wind
    Free wind 11 January 2022 09: 16
    +2
    Only good luck.
  10. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 11 January 2022 09: 19
    +6
    They tell the next boobies about New Vasyuki.
    laughing laughing laughing
  11. Tagan
    Tagan 11 January 2022 09: 19
    +1
    “While considering the possibility of investing in the creation of an enterprise for the production of semiconductor elements in Lithuania”.
    Well, yes, the production of semiconductor elements from microchips is quite a bit separate))
  12. cniza
    cniza 11 January 2022 09: 20
    +2
    The confrontation between Lithuania and China over Taiwan, Taiwan's investments in the production of microchips in Lithuania can bring this Baltic country a profit that France and Germany can only dream of. This is an investment in the production of microchips.


    Apart from a smile, this does not cause anything ...
  13. LAlexAlex
    LAlexAlex 11 January 2022 09: 23
    +7
    Will they build a joint plant for embellishing "made in Litva" on Taiwanese chips?
    1. Nexcom
      Nexcom 11 January 2022 10: 09
      +1
      To relabel chips, you also need technology.
      Including the chip identifiers, rub it in the microcode, if any.
      In the meantime, they can only replace cardboard packaging with a new one with new inscriptions.
  14. dimy44
    dimy44 11 January 2022 09: 25
    +3
    200 million
    And what's serious about this money you will discover right now?
    1. Volodin
      Volodin 11 January 2022 09: 28
      +2
      Quote: dimy44
      And what's serious about this money you will discover right now?

      What do you mean? .. For example, a new office for the support and prosperity of democracy laughing
    2. Two
      Two 11 January 2022 09: 47
      -2
      From what! You can glue the boxes ...
  15. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 11 January 2022 09: 38
    +1
    Here is real friendly support from partners! Tell a good bedtime story.
    And in reality, the same friends forced the Lithuanians to close the Ignalina NPP and the Balts, instead of not depending on electricity imports themselves, but also to profit from the sale of energy abroad, they sit with horseradish in their hand and listen to tales about "milk rivers with jelly shores ".
  16. Kaufman
    Kaufman 11 January 2022 09: 49
    -4
    well, let them invest, build a plant, and at this time it is necessary to prepare a referendum on Lithuania's entry into the Russian Federation))
    microchips, even if we really need previous generations.
  17. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 11 January 2022 09: 51
    +2
    if microchips start to be produced in Lithuania using Taiwanese technology
    Modern "journalists" are just something. As, however, and politicians) In their view, Taiwanese technology is something like a drawing on a sheet of A4. The Lithuanians will look at it, and the Taiwanese 200 million will immediately begin to make chips in thousands, and then in millions)) People live in large numbers in the 18th century, what can you say here)
    There are two ways to produce chips "using Taiwanese technology." The first is to educate your own scientific and design school. Which will first make not chips, but machines and equipment. For the production of machine tools and tooling, which will make machines and tooling. And now, at the fourth stage, you can try to make a "silicon factory" that makes "chips". To begin with, Lithuania needs engineers and scientists in numbers exceeding the population of Lithuania, well, at least five times). In general, this path will have to be rejected.
    Well, the second way is to buy a "silicon factory". At the time when the industrial production of chips began, such a factory was only worth 4 billion green backs. Literally pennies. Now the price is at least ten times more, of course. Plus, the same amount is needed in order to build auxiliary production, absolutely necessary for the functioning of the main one.
    American technologies, which terribly literate Europeans call Taiwanese, have been mastered in Taiwan for many decades. Therefore, Foxconn can now make microprocessors such as they do. This is also because specialists have been trained there for many decades, who can work in "clean rooms" at the required level. There, even a janitor must be qualified at the level of an assistant professor of technical subjects)
    The Baltic tiger will make all this easy, you know ...
    1. usr01
      usr01 11 January 2022 10: 49
      0
      Quote: Mikhail3
      the cleaner must be qualified at the level of an assistant professor

      Well, I don't agree with these in any way !!
      under capitalism, they take not a "smart", but an "obedient" "monkey," mercilessly fooling! and get the desired result!
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 11 January 2022 12: 32
        +1
        This is when sewing panties. This does not work with high-tech industries)
    2. Fiesta
      Fiesta 15 January 2022 15: 40
      0
      American technologies, which terribly literate Europeans call Taiwanese, have been mastered in Taiwan for many decades. Therefore, Foxconn can now make microprocessors such as they do. This is also because specialists have been trained there for many decades, who can work in "clean rooms" at the required level. There, even a janitor must be qualified at the level of an assistant professor of technical subjects)

      If we are talking about the latest thin technical processes, then it’s quite Taiwanese (well, Korean) technologies. American Intel, for example, has not been able to master them yet and works with a maximum of 7 nm. No wonder the US is luring TSMC and Samsung to build factories in the US with benefits and subsidies. Foxconn doesn't make microprocessors, it's more of an assembly shop, you meant TSMC most likely.

      As for the rest, I completely agree - not only is $200 million just a ridiculous amount for such a production, but in Lithuania there is also no corny necessary number of specialists to make this factory work.
      1. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 15 January 2022 22: 34
        0
        Foxconn both belonged and still belongs to the Americans. So there is no need to lure anyone, you can just order. And he still produces) The assembly shop, this is, suddenly, China) With its piles of different assembly companies. Until recently, the equipment that made the "old" process technology was carefully packed and left for the United States, where it was conserved and hidden in case of a global conflict.
        However, there is also some interesting news. Foxconn recently sold the design lab, along with the hardware. Laba, of course, was in the USA, since, of course, the Americans did not teach the Chinese to make processors themselves. Foxconn scaled production, apparently the one who explained everything to you had in mind) Laba in the USA makes a processor, Foxconn in Taiwan makes a million processors, China makes a million vegetable cutters for the Internet of things.
        And now everything is laba. What does it mean? Have the Americans lost their competencies, is there no one to work in the lab? In Taiwan, did you manage to open your own, taking a step towards REAL independence? Terribly interesting, but nothing definite can be said. No information yet...
        1. Fiesta
          Fiesta 16 January 2022 14: 24
          0
          You've got it all mixed up.

          Foxconn both belonged and still belongs to the Americans. So there is no need to lure anyone, you can just order. And he still produces how) The assembly shop, this is, suddenly, China) With its piles of different assembly companies.

          Once again, Foxconn (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foxconn) does not manufacture microprocessors, it is not a fab. Foxconn is an OEM electronics manufacturer and product assembler, the same Apple orders assembly from Foxconn. Well, yes, most of its factories are in China. Most of the stake is owned by Hon Hai Precision Industries (30%), and the rest by various institutional investors (from the USA, Hong Kong, China, Taiwan itself, Japan, etc.).

          Until recently, the equipment that made the "old" technical process was carefully packed and left for the United States, where it was conserved and hidden in case of a global conflict.

          What equipment are we talking about, can you link? What was packed? The US already has many companies producing equipment for the semiconductor industry - KLA Tencor (control equipment), Lam Research (equipment for cleaning wafers, etching, sputtering and removing photoresists), Synopsys (EDA), Dow (chemicals), etc. And it is not limited to "old" technical processes.

          However, there is also some interesting news. Foxconn recently sold the design lab, along with the hardware. Laba, of course, was in the United States, since, of course, the Americans did not teach the Chinese to make processors themselves.

          What kind of lab? Give a link, Foxconn does not and did not design ICs.

          Laba in the US makes a processor, Foxconn in Taiwan makes a million processors, China makes a million vegetable cutters for the Internet of things.
          And now everything is laba. What does it mean? Have the Americans lost their competencies, is there no one to work in the lab? In Taiwan, did you manage to open your own, taking a step towards REAL independence? Terribly interesting, but nothing definite can be said. No information yet...

          Fabless design is not done by a “laba”, but by a fairly large number of companies - in the USA these are the same AMD, NVIDIA, Qualcomm, Texas Instruments and so on, in China these are HiSilicon (Kirin mobile processors), AliBaba, ZTE, YMTC, etc. etc., in Russia MCST, T-Platforms, etc.

          Again, Foxconn does NOT make processors, it's an OEM electronics assembler. Processors are manufactured by TSMC and yes, they also have key R&D for thin manufacturing processes, which is done in Taiwan. The most advanced fabs in the US (so far) are from Intel, which are limited to 7nm.
          1. Mikhail3
            Mikhail3 16 January 2022 14: 41
            0
            as you say)
  18. Denis812
    Denis812 11 January 2022 09: 51
    0
    I didn't quite understand why Taiwan should invest something in Lithuania.
    Lithuania is far away, there is a disgusting climate, requiring the construction of capital buildings for production.
    Salaries there are several times higher than in Ukraine, for example, and higher than in Estonia, the same.
    There is "bloody Mordor" nearby, who sleeps and sees how he would occupy Lithuania. :)
    I do not see a single positive moment in Lithuania for Taiwan.
    1. korabelnikoffevgeny
      korabelnikoffevgeny 11 January 2022 09: 57
      -2
      For some reason, Seseer was building an electronic device in the Baltics ..
      1. Denis812
        Denis812 14 January 2022 17: 05
        0
        Probably because the USSR is not Taiwan at all.
        And it was quite logical to build factories in the Baltics, where the climate is clearly better than in Siberia.
        Moreover, there were at that time available human educated resources.
    2. Tima62
      Tima62 13 January 2022 21: 12
      0
      Quote: Denis812
      Salaries there are several times higher than in Ukraine, for example, and higher than in Estonia of the same

      Statistics about Estonia says something else.
      Total average salary in randomly selected countries.
      Estonia 1 502 EUR (net)
      Lithuania 1 390 EUR (net)
      Finland 3 713 EUR (gross)
      Hungary 1 431 EUR (gross)
      Latvia 1 184 EUR (net)
      1. Denis812
        Denis812 14 January 2022 17: 07
        0
        As I said, the average salary in Ukraine for 2021 is about 400 dollars. in Estonia it is almost 4 times higher, and NET, that is, in Gross it can be five to six times higher.
  19. Pereira
    Pereira 11 January 2022 09: 52
    +1
    If I understand correctly, a couple of journalists have decided to command Taiwan and are already sharing the profits?
  20. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 11 January 2022 09: 53
    +3
    European officials try to support Lithuania
    Buy Lithuania suspenders with this and support the falling pants of the "proud" Balts. At the same time, do not forget about yourself.
  21. yuriy55
    yuriy55 11 January 2022 10: 03
    +2
    European observers: Taiwan's investment in microchip production in Lithuania could bring the country a profit that France and Germany can only dream of

    Oh, these translation difficulties ...
    Taiwan's investment in microchip production; profit comparable to the profit of France and Germany - in Lithuania they can only dream of it !!! crying
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 11 January 2022 10: 24
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      Quote: yuriy55
      comparable to the profits of France and Germany - in Lithuania they can only dream of it !!!

      Beautiful words, beautiful dreams - "dreams dreams, where are your sweets." The answer is simple - only in dreams.
  22. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 11 January 2022 10: 22
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    Lithuania imposed its own "restrictions" on the PRC, urging the European Union to do the same - to close its markets for Chinese products.

    And all the shelves in European stores will be empty right away. And what will the European people say to this.
  23. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 11 January 2022 10: 23
    +2
    If the plant is built in gratitude for the diplomatic support of Taiwan, then Lithuania will be very lucky.
    So far, Taiwan is building factories in Japan and the United States.
    In order not to lose profits if China bombed their factories.
    1. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 11 January 2022 10: 45
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      ..or they will come under the control of the PRC.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 11 January 2022 10: 57
        +3
        Anything can happen ... recourse

        But the United States certainly doesn't want China to take over all of the world's chip production.
        And feverishly build factories at home. And they carry the Taiwanese.
        Musk is also building an automotive chip plant in Texas to be independent.
        1. Zaurbek
          Zaurbek 11 January 2022 11: 04
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          Yes, they are building ... they have already allocated 50 billion and are asking for another $ 150 billion
        2. abc_alex
          abc_alex 11 January 2022 17: 18
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          But the United States certainly doesn't want China to take over all of the world's chip production.
          And feverishly build factories at home. And they carry the Taiwanese.
          Musk is also building an automotive chip plant in Texas to be independent.


          Hmm ... Do not remind me why shtatovtsy at one time massively exported these factories from the United States? And do not remind me how exactly at the moment it is supposed to bypass the laws of economics? Taiwan, by the way, who is this? There seems to be no state production there. And the most famous private companies are not able to reproduce on their own the production cycle of their own factories. What exactly are the statesmen transferring from Taiwan? Your own technology? What for?
          I understand why Musk needs to build a chip factory: he needs a new exchange bubble, on which he will get another one or two billion dollars from suckers. But what does this have to do with the redistribution of the global microchip market? For reference: In the first seven months of 2021, China produced 203,6 billion units of microchips. There, the investment program in microelectronics is somewhere in the order of $ 1,4 trillion.
          The United States may want anything, but now they are running towards the locomotive, which they themselves have dispersed. They will have to fight for the market not only with China. China is only fourth in the list of manufacturers. Before him are Taiwan, South Korea and Japan. How is the United States going to conquer the market against this background?
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 11 January 2022 17: 49
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            "Do not remind me why the state employees at one time massively exported these factories from the United States?" ///
            ---
            Let me remind you, of course. smile
            At the time, no one could have imagined that China would become a military superpower in a very short time. And they were postponed because of cheap labor and favorable tax conditions.

            "I understand why Mask needs to build a chip factory" ///
            ---
            Oh, of course! He makes a million cars a year, and suckers are eager to buy them. laughing And his machines are especially full of chips.

            "How is the US going to conquer the market against this background?" ///
            ---
            Chips are different. They probably thought about it before starting the construction of factories?
            Israel develops and manufactures a wide variety of specialty chips. And Taiwan and Japan do not bother us.
            1. abc_alex
              abc_alex 11 January 2022 18: 25
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              The quote is inserted like this: first, click "Reply" under the quoted post. Then select the text of the quote and click "Quote. It turns out like this:

              Quote: voyaka uh
              At the time, no one could have imagined that China would become a military superpower in a very short time. And they were postponed because of cheap labor and favorable tax conditions.

              What does this have to do with the economy? The cost of goods does not depend on who and what could or could not have guessed. This is an objective factor. Manufactures from the United States were exported to Asia precisely to reduce costs. First to Japan, then to China, Taiwan, Hong Kong, Singapore ... Since then, have overhead costs decreased in the US? Has the labor force become cheaper there? Has the "cost of life" dropped? It seems to be not. On the contrary, everything has become even more expensive. Do you think that now in the States it is realistic to produce chips at a competitive price?

              Quote: voyaka uh
              Oh, of course! He makes a million cars a year, and suckers are eager to buy them. And his machines are especially full of chips.


              So what? Is he going to add to the price of his machines the cost of building and equipping a microchip factory? Or to him, as with Tesla, the state. support promised at the federal and state levels? I remind you that so far none of Musk's projects have given any direct profit, or even worked "to zero." For the first time in its history, Tesla worked in 2020 with a profit, and in previous years it generated up to a billion dollars in losses per year. Which, as I understand it, were covered by stock speculations on the wave of hype. Now that electricity prices have surged up around the world, we need to wait for interesting news at the end of 2021.

              Quote: voyaka uh
              Chips are different. They probably thought about it before starting the construction of factories?
              Israel develops and manufactures a wide variety of specialty chips. And Taiwan and Japan do not bother us.


              Not the fact that they thought. Practice has shown that with "thought before" cowboys are not that good. I suspect that even with "thought after" it does not always work out there. No, I understand if we were talking, for example, about the import substitution program in the military-industrial complex. There are no questions here. Moreover, Silicon Valley grew and grew on the military order, it is no stranger to it. But the States then intend to squeeze China out of the market. So I don’t understand in what manner? Will "secondary sanctions" be introduced again, that is, bend over and break vassals and allies over the knee?
              1. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 11 January 2022 18: 30
                +1
                Arrivals on the Mask touch me. laughing
                I can imagine how 100-150 years ago they discussed, leafing through newspapers, "adventurers and swindlers" John Rockefeller and Henry Ford.

                Sorry, but your economic arguments seem to me frivolous and even ridiculous. I cannot continue the discussion. hi
                1. abc_alex
                  abc_alex 13 January 2022 15: 00
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                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Attacks on the Mask touches me. laughing
                  I can imagine how 100-150 years ago they discussed, leafing through newspapers, "adventurers and swindlers" John Rockefeller and Henry Ford.


                  This is not a ride. This is a statement of fact. You can at least fall under the table from laughter, the facts do not care about that. :)

                  Quote: voyaka uh
                  Sorry, but your economic arguments seem to me frivolous and even ridiculous. I cannot continue the discussion.


                  The drain is counted.
  24. usr01
    usr01 11 January 2022 10: 33
    -1
    Yeah ... considering that in Lithuania the headquarters MikroTik (who is not in the subject - "Cisco for the poor", a multi-billion dollar (!) company of network equipment, almost all provider equipment in South America and .. Moldova - MikroTik !, development of the former Soviet "mailbox" wink ) ....
    + considering the cheap slave. force
    + chip production
    + (in the long term, on its basis) the production of a finished product MikroTik .....
    it can be a very interesting and profitable (for the whole Lithuania) project, for the sake of which it makes sense to go to an (economic) conflict with China ... what
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  26. Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 11 January 2022 10: 44
    -1
    It looks like Europe can also joke about a small but very proud state)))
  27. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 11 January 2022 10: 45
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    For the next 10-15 years, Taiwan will build production in the United States .... Duplicate capacities for the production of CHIPs .. For this, 52 billion dollars have already been allocated and they are not asking for this yet ..... and some of the key specialists bought the PRC for their projects.
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  29. Kerensky
    Kerensky 11 January 2022 11: 02
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    Aha! China invades Formosa and Lithuania immediately nationalizes the plant. Let them build in Mongolia.
  30. Prapor-527
    Prapor-527 11 January 2022 11: 24
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    What nonsense.
  31. APASUS
    APASUS 11 January 2022 12: 19
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    The production of microchips costs a lot of money and will cost $ 5-6 billion and why should Taiwan risk so much money? They would rather choose neutral Switzerland, quiet Singapore, but the Baltic, which does not fit into all the holes of confrontation. This is essentially a long-term investment that can pay off in 10-15 years and there are such rainbow groans of the Balts. Now all banks from Wall Street will be transferred to Lithuania fool lol wink
  32. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 11 January 2022 12: 22
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    That's wonderful! Better to collect microcircuits. Port, railroad - scrapped.
  33. alexey alexeyev_2
    alexey alexeyev_2 11 January 2022 12: 49
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    The fool riches with a thought.
  34. hohohol
    hohohol 11 January 2022 13: 05
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    Lithuania imposed its own "restrictions" on the PRC, urging the European Union to do the same - to close its markets for Chinese products. Instead, the EU, realizing what such a move could lead to, decided to use rhetoric rather than actions.

    Small but proud Lithuania decided to fight China. China shrugged and simply struck the Lithuanian pug off their trade registers. The pug whined piteously.
  35. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 11 January 2022 17: 12
    +2
    If for 200 million dollars it was possible to build a plant for the production of microchips, then Germany and France would have done it at least a long time ago. But, they don't do something.

    I do not think that Lithuania will receive such a plant, but they may well be engaged in some related production. For example, Taiwan will supply processors, and Lithuania will make some kind of microcircuits based on them.

    I heard that the production of microchips is being established in the USA itself, so I don't think that the European market will go to Lithuania, even if someone invests billions of dollars in this country.
  36. abc_alex
    abc_alex 11 January 2022 17: 20
    +1
    Taiwan may open a plant for the production of popular microchips in the Baltic republic


    I wonder if Taiwan has already been notified of this?
  37. konstantin68
    konstantin68 11 January 2022 17: 33
    +2
    Due to the serving situation, TSMC is indeed shifting production on the sly. It is clear why laughing But!. Not to Lithuania, but to Japan and the USA.
  38. Andy_nsk
    Andy_nsk 12 January 2022 09: 02
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    Quote: Invoce
    How many young people, how many have the appropriate education?

    I think not how much.
    Back in the 70s of the last century, students from Novosib (including my friend, with whom we studied in the same group) went to practice, though not to Lithuania, but to Tallinn (the difference is small), to one of the local factories of the electronics industry. The management of the enterprise tearfully persuaded our students to go on assignment to them, they promised mountains of gold. Our team asked why they didn’t take local Estonians, to which they received an answer: “The locals only know how to drink beer in cellars”. I think that over the past 40 years the situation has not improved: for electronics specialists, especially for the manufacture of microchips, there are zero point, zero tenths. And it is unrealistic to deploy production there using local personnel, and bringing the Chinese from Taiwan to Lithuania is also from the field of insanity.
  39. Glagol1
    Glagol1 12 January 2022 13: 38
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    It is impossible to build such a plant for 200 million. The states will build at home for 3 billion. In general, it looks like a fake, to build a strategic plant next to Russia ...
  40. VicktorVR
    VicktorVR 13 January 2022 10: 08
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    Carrot in front of the donkey, so that he drags gravity faster
  41. Fiesta
    Fiesta 15 January 2022 15: 24
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    Well, that's nonsense. Even in the US, there are difficulties in finding qualified specialists to "equip" the planned fabs from TSMC and Samsung. Russia had to write out specialists from UMC in order to simply organize production on 90-130 nm (roughly speaking, this is the last century by current standards) to technical processes on the remains of Angstrem. In Lithuania, there is simply not enough specialists in the field of microelectronics to open fabs there. Well, $ 200 million to open a fab is just ridiculous. This is not enough to even buy equipment.

    Yes, and the EU has already "sold" Lithuania - after the imposition of sanctions by China and even pressure on European companies, the maximum that the EU did was verbally supported Lithuania and threatened to apply to the WTO. For reference, now the entire system of trade claims in the WTO has actually been paralyzed by the United States (https://www.jurist.org/commentary/2020/04/rathore-bajpai-wto-appellate-body-crisis/) after the WTO recognized the trade the war unleashed by the USA is illegal (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trade-china-wto-idUSKBN2662FG).