German observer: Even if Germany starts developing hypersonic weapons tomorrow, it will not be able to catch up with Russia and China for a long time

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German journalists raised the question that Germany is increasingly lagging behind a number of other countries in the world in terms of the availability and development of modern weapons. As Hauke ​​Friederichs writes, while other countries are developing hypersonic missiles, weapons with artificial intelligence, Germany continues to stand still and be content with what it has at the moment.

Die Zeit notes that many other countries already either have hypersonic and robotic weapons, or are on the way to create them. Russia, China, Israel, the United States of America are cited as an example.

In the German press, the observer complains that Germany is constantly participating in various kinds of negotiations on "denuclearization", "preventing the development of Iran's nuclear program," but itself lagged behind those who, in parallel, focus on non-nuclear weapons of serious power. On the tests of hypersonic weapons North Korea is already speaking, and the FRG army has nothing comparable in this regard.

Hauke ​​Friederichs:

Germany does not want to create either hypersonic weapons or autonomous combat robots with advanced artificial intelligence system. But other countries have already gone far ahead in this regard.

The presence of another problem is also noted: even if Germany starts developing hypersonic weapons tomorrow, in this regard, it will not be able to catch up with Russia and China for many years.

Referring to military experts, German journalists propose to consider the experience of other countries in terms of developing modern weapons, so as not to finally lose the necessary safety indicators.

From the comments of German users:

We have already lagged behind the Russians and Chinese in this regard. And it is true. You need to take some measures to have at least some chance to protect yourself.

Will Scholz arm us with hypersonic missiles (Chancellor - approx. "VO")? Funny...

Yes, again the Americans will deliver their missiles. But only, as usual, they will use it themselves, if necessary - from our territory.

Comments

[rocket757]

German observer: Even if Germany starts developing hypersonic weapons tomorrow, it will not be able to catch up with Russia and China for a long time

... We can only guess what it was?
Is it a statement of reality or a buzz / regret about the former power?

[Anachoret]

Quote: rocket757

German observer: Even if Germany starts developing hypersonic weapons tomorrow, it will not be able to catch up with Russia and China for a long time

... We can only guess what it was?
Is it a statement of reality or a buzz / regret about the former power?

Rather, this is the first non-transparent allusion to the colonial position of a powerless vassal for Germany in the modern world geopolitical situation))
Germany can say and do whatever it wants, as long as it does not contradict the interests of mattresses))

[rocket757]

As a rule, if there is a beginning, there will be an end ... however, the limits of infinity cannot be imagined, for objective reasons.

[The black]

Nemchura is a practical nation. Why should they compete with Russia and China in creating hypersound ?. Excuse me guys, but it seems to me that if once Germany has to fight, then her opponent will be ..... Poland. Now it sounds like nonsense, but ..... "everything flows, everything changes", and given the fact that, to put it mildly, they do not feel much love for each other, it turns out not so incredible.

[Bond, James Bond]

Quote: Black

Excuse me guys, but it seems to me that if once Germany has to fight, then her opponent will be ... Poland

this is possible only in two cases: either the US and NATO will not become, or the Germans will become so sick of the Americans that they will give the pshek carte blanche and will not promise them support. Otherwise, the two NATO countries, and important for Washington, will not openly converge.

[Anachoret]

There is a good grain in this for the simple reason that the Germans were bitten geographically after the Second World War, both Danzig and Szczecin are now in Poland) and the attitude of the Germans towards the Poles is very disdainful and disdainful, as to the Roma, one might say))
And if such an alignment with the return of German lands becomes a reality, we need now to control and suppress all attempts, even by household or commercial Germanization of the Kaliningrad region and its population)) and for this it is necessary to root the ties of the exclave with the center))

[Bond, James Bond]

Quote: Anchorite

for the simple reason

as you have already been told, this is possible only in two cases:
- no US control
- with the sanction, good faith and support of the United States of one of the parties.
Nobody there themselves - neither the Germans nor the Poles, under the established situation will not rock the boat. I'm not talking to you about the tensions in relations and alignments that everyone already knows about, but about the very likelihood of open confrontation.
If the Americans do not need it (an open confrontation, a full-fledged armed conflict), they will not allow it. It is a fact. The rest is your dreams.

Brain your mind (if you have anything), why this conflict between the United States, between two key figures in Europe from the position of "containing Russia" in their policies? Will they suddenly go crazy to allow this? Some will get a bun, others with a belt, and everyone will calm down, if anything

[Anachoret]

Diplomacy is the art of the possible)
To exclude an unlikely (at first glance) scenario is the height of narrow-mindedness)
Dancing on a rake is a favorite pastime of such naive and narrow-minded people)
If you carefully studied the prerequisites of the Second World War and the origin of the "economic miracle of Germany" under Hitler, and the very history of the "evolution" of the Fuhrer from a creative loafer with a glass of beer to the "great father of Germanic peoples"))
How much did the American intelligence services invest in it and introduced it into the "necessary communication environment" and even during the war the American intelligence services were in close contact with Hitler through "neutral" Switzerland))
Yes, and General Motors, Dupont, Ford, CocaCola and the largest American banks invested in Hitler's "economic miracle", I will not even talk about local Thyssen Krupp and Allianz and others))
Now
The GDP of the European Union is approaching that of the United States, which means that the euro is now seriously hoping for the role of the dollar as the main reserve currency in the world) and euro bills were initially made smaller and thinner than the dollar, so that more could fit in a conventional diplomat)) so that on the shadow actively settled in the euro market)
So, if the mattresses need to repeat the "feint with the ears", as in the Second World War)
Believe me, without a twinge of conscience, they will again set fire to the whole of Europe in order to save their economy and, along the way, fight to maintain their superpower status)) and along the way will try to keep Russia at maximum speed with this "conflict" or even involve Russia)
And if they need to play off Germany and Poland for this, they will find a reason and even appoint instigators and performers) they have everything for this))

[Bond, James Bond]

Quote: Anchorite

To exclude an unlikely (at first glance) scenario is the height of narrow-mindedness)

do not judge by yourself, speaking of narrow-mindedness
It makes no sense to consider scenarios, the likelihood of which is still extremely small. Do not multiply entities in excess of what is necessary.

Quote: Anchorite

they shamelessly set fire to all of Europe again

Hitler, not the United States, set fire to Europe. Is there a new Hitler in Europe today? Maybe it's Scholz or Duda?

Quote: Anchorite

And if they need to play off Germany and Poland for this, they will find a reason and even appoint instigators and performers

Well, what am I writing about? Or does faith prevent you from carefully reading and understanding? Or do you have to argue for the sake of argue?

Quote: Bond James Bond

this is only possible in two cases:
- no US control
- with the approval, favor and support of the United States of one of the parties

[Bond, James Bond]

Quote: Anchorite

Germany can say and do whatever it wants as long as it does not conflict with the interests of mattresses

they refused to purchase the F-35, although the Americans insisted and were probably upset. How dare they upset the master?)
And now they also want to abandon the deployment of American nuclear weapons. Completely got out of hand

[bk316]

We can only guess what it was?
Is it a statement of reality or a buzz / regret about the former power?

Greetings to Victor.
It was classic in the spirit of tolerance and new values.
This one is like his COMINGOUT ugh.

[rocket757]

Hi Vladimir
They are strange, in their heads they are completely wrong.
Than the coaming atutovatsya, I would take schnapps / vodka and ... enlightenment overtook the toast after the third or a little later, but overtook it for sure.

[bk316]

Yes, there is already no one to drink schnapps ...
The Germans are not the worst at this yet.
By the way, the French stopped drinking cognac 30 years ago.
And you will not find it there in stores only in wine boutiques.

[rocket757]

Degradation, however ... it is certainly a cocktail, like a drink, but not inspiring.

[Terenin]

Quote: bk316

By the way, the French stopped drinking cognac 30 years ago.

And, so, through cognac - to the stars!

[rocket757]

Hi Gennady
How many STARS should you start with?

[Terenin]

Quote: rocket757

Hi Gennady
How many STARS should you start with?

The cookie did not save
in the morning with coffee,
I'm looking with hope
in a glass of cognac ...

Greetings Victor

[rocket757]

As for me, CEDAR TINCTURE, that's it!
Cookies and coffee, this is for ... not for us, in short.

[bk316]

As for me, CEDAR TINCTURE, that's it!

O! I was treated to her in Kamchatka. The main thing here is to know the measure.

[rocket757]

With the norm, everything is fine ... we do not accept too much, but do not hide ours

[Terenin]

Quote: rocket757

With the norm, everything is fine ... we do not accept too much

I can't brag about it

[rocket757]

In this matter, everyone decides for himself ...

[Pereira]

This is the thought that it will be easier to buy ready-made.

[rocket757]

Also an option ... but with it there are a lot of pitfalls that will have to be bypassed.
In general, over time it will become clear what they wanted and what will happen in real life.

[alex neym_2]

Yes, this is not for you (the Germans) the Third Reich, when all of Europe worked for you.

[Sector]

It seems to me that the Germans do not care about hypersonic weapons at all. They have all the talk there about switching to hydrogen as fuel. They will go out there with their "green" policy once every 100 years, they will swell something and again build wind turbines.

[Bond, James Bond]

Quote: Secutor

Germans don't care about hypersonic weapons at all

does not care. Although many here speak so disparagingly of German industry.
The Germans do not need war, apparently, as long as it is enough, they are building defenses (like any state, especially their neighbors are very militant), and many of their companies generally work mainly for export. Well, so, sometimes NATO will come out to support it in some sluggish war, such as the operation in Afghanistan, and even then without much enthusiasm. Look, they sent as many as 400 people to Syria - strongholds) And in the Iraqi war, the German Armed Forces did not participate at all.

[Terenin]

Quote: aleks neym_2

Yes, this is not for you (the Germans) the Third Reich, when all of Europe worked for you.

Now the Germans are in the role of slaves.

[Amateur]

Are the Germans going to fight again? Have you started to forget how it all ended for 3 Reichs?
Instead of 4 Reichs, only black cockroaches can remain, and the Germans will all end.

[alex neym_2]

If I'm not mistaken, in Germany at the moment there are more "black" cockroaches than the Germans and are still arriving ...

[Doccor18]

The United States does not need a strong and independent Europe. And a strong and independent Germany, and even more so ... They will develop only what they allow.

[Bond, James Bond]

Quote: Doccor18

They will only develop what they allow

for example, your own fighter? One was already "Typhoon", now the Germans are rustling with something else. And American fearless and omnipresent agents until their laboratories and research institutes were closed and burned.
At one time, the Germans did not go on about the Americans and the MBT-2000 project collapsed into Abrams and Leopard. How did the Sashevites allow Germany to have their own tank?

[Doccor18]

Eurofighter and Leopard 2 began to be created during the life of the USSR. But what fundamentally new has Europe created over the past 15 years? There is no 5th generation fighter. And it won't. SSBN Triumfan and Vanguard also come from the 80s ... German nuclear submarines were well exported, but they are not competitors to American nuclear submarines, so "you can" ... But the French were pinned down ...

[Bond, James Bond]

Quote: Doccor18

Eurofighter and Leopard 2 began to be created during the life of the USSR.

what does the USSR have to do with it if you write about "Washington's vassals who dare to utter a word"? In Soviet times, it was easier to tighten the nuts, there was such a terrible "red threat"
Have you been given facts that are probably difficult to dismiss? You have failed. No matter how pressured the United States, but in Europe, few people like their pressure (not counting the Poles and the extinctions). And Germany still has the courage and strength to go somewhere the way it should, and not as it should "the lord from the oval office."

The French were clicked on the nose, but again acting not directly on the French, but on the customer. Do you feel the difference? And the States clicked us on the nose, and not only they, in the same India (or with the Mistrals, or with Indonesia for the Su-35) - no one says that France and the United States, or even more so Indonesia, twist Russia as they want?

Or do you think that if a country does not pursue a pro-Russian policy, then it is by all means the most loyal vassal of the United States and cannot do anything without an order from the White House?

[Doccor18]

Quote: Bond James Bond

In Soviet times, it was easier to tighten the nuts, there was such a terrible "red threat"

It was then that the Europeans, their armies and weapons were needed. And Europe was cared for and cherished. But after the collapse of the bulwark of socialism, the European dream came to a festive end. The military-industrial complex of Europe did not create anything remarkable anymore. All there is is modernized variations of the 80s programs of the 20th century. Europe has traditionally been at the forefront of the aviation industry, and then "unexpectedly" a whole generation slept ...
Well, so, everyone believes in what he wants to believe ...

[Bond, James Bond]

Quote: Doccor18

The military-industrial complex of Europe has not created anything remarkable anymore

as well as the military-industrial complex of the overwhelming majority of countries. There is no open confrontation - there are no leaps and bounds in military affairs. Is this a discovery for you? And secondly, what is remarkable for you, maybe you just don't know about him?

Quote: Doccor18

Europe has traditionally been at the forefront of the aviation industry, and then "unexpectedly" slept through a whole generation

After the war, Europe was just "hooked" in terms of military aviation (but this is understandable, there were objective reasons), and in general it is surprising that they at least made their own "Tornado" and "Typhoon" (we do not consider the British and French , right? And then they will have the most there ...). Are you not interested in the civil aviation sector?
But besides the aviation industry, there is a lot more. For example, 90% of the tanks of NATO countries are armed with European (German) cannons. What American modern tank guns do you know? PU for Shilleila? And promising American (for example) 50-mm is also a German development. Shooters, no? Americans for a sweet soul "hawala" European small arms (of course, assigning them "their" indexes). You can go on for a long time, but for "believers" and even those who do not know, it is difficult to prove something. You just set yourself the goal of learning more - and you will find out.

And there is also something that was adopted not by order, but because it was the best. For example, the same "Sidewinder" It was even copied by the USSR and named K-13.

But about the main thing. I never heard the arguments for "They will only develop what they allow."

[Andrey Moskvin]

Choose different Frau more often, you will be left without an army at all.

[Terenin]

Quote: Andrey Moskvin

Choose different Frau more often, you will be left without an army at all.

Yeah. Nobody has destroyed the national armies in Europe as much as NATO.

[kventinasd]

Hans better let the Mercedes rivet further than dream of the next blitzkrieg. In the current realities, Germany could end very quickly.

[Yuri Filippov]

Has the Chancellor Act expired yet?

[Artemion3]

No missiles are assigned to the US protectorate.

[Vasyan1971]

You need to take some measures to have at least some chance to protect yourself.

What for? There is someone to protect. Look how many bases of the American military stumbled upon. More than 300 pieces. So, sleep well, they will avenge you.

[Denis812]

Strange Germans.
Why would they develop their rockets and stuff?
If they suddenly develop them, then what about the interests of the United States? Who will the US sell its missiles to?
This is not good.
Germany should return to truly democratic values, namely, kiss the ass of Mr. Washington and in every possible way contribute to the prosperity of the American economy.
Everything else is extremely harmful for Germany and all of Europe.

[yuriy55]

German journalists raised the question that Germany is increasingly lagging behind a number of other countries in the world in terms of the availability and development of modern weapons.

Cooperate with Russia, and you will be happy ...
I don’t know if NATO will remain if Germany and France withdraw from it ...

[isv000]

Quote: yuriy55

Cooperate with Russia, and you will be happy ...

It's high time to sit down at the negotiating table on the Vistula and Oder ...

[yuriy55]

Quote: isv000

It's high time to sit down at the negotiating table on the Vistula and Oder ...

If this happens, the Americans will simply attack the FRG ...
The EU suits the US. They actually imposed their will on the leading powers, which have ceased to be rivals (competitors) for the United States. The question is, why do we need these overseas intermediaries.

[Thrifty]

Well, who prevents such missiles from developing jointly with the French?

[Vicontas]

So the Germans have a feminine in the role of defense minister. Who threatened Russia with sanctions in the form of a ban on Shoigu shopping in Europe! After such a "smart" thought, this lady can push the defense in Germany by ordering hypersonic gaskets! With wings.

[Bond, James Bond]

Quote: Thrifty

Well, who prevents such missiles from developing jointly with the French?

is it to never?

[nks]

Yes, it’s hard to work with the Germans. :) But they have a lot of money and their problem is clearly not in the absence of some kind of hypersonic weapon ...

[evgen1221]

Germans, you really don't need it. You yao and amers at your place and you will have a guaranteed guarantee of milk eggs and meat.

[Peter is not the first]

Yes, again the Americans will deliver their missiles. But only, as usual, they will use it themselves, if necessary - from our territory.

The last sentence is the most correct: the Hegemon will both make money on the vassals, and even substitute it for retaliation.

[Dkuznecov]

Do the Germans need it? They build a peaceful life,
in NATO, as Ranevskaya said, "they enter, but do not participate."
Rheinmetal works for the foreign market, it has enough.

[lot]

Fine. You can relax. They don't, but we have. They even write out of impotence, they say, no and never will. weaklings.

[Emergency]

For a long time if Russia and China stand still. If not, they won't catch up.

[isv000]

Even if Germany starts developing hypersonic weapons tomorrow, it won't be able to catch up with Russia and China for a long time.

Even if Russia and China go to sleep, the Germans will not be able to even come close to these results. First of all, the hegemon gives the playful pens what they would buy from him, and the trash of the past stage ...

[voyaka uh]

The Germans made a hypersonic missile in 1944. FAU-2.
And many times she finished off England, Belgium, Holland right up to the age of 45.
Shooting down an Iskander-class tactical missile is a warm-up fun for Germany.

[sledak]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Germans made a hypersonic missile in 1944. FAU-2.
And many times she finished off England, Belgium, Holland right up to the age of 45.
Shooting down an Iskander-class tactical missile is a warm-up fun for Germany.

Oh, I'm embarrassed to ask, but can you tell me how many space launches are now being made by the pioneers of rocketry per year?
Of course, they probably have cosmodromes all over the country, they really don't copy our escanders for fun for the sake of time, we understand.

Yes, only it seems to me that Frau Germany, like Madame France, is in a NATO gay harem without the US dad, not only into space, but out of little need, they cannot do anything. Madame, by the way, first tried miSrali for us, then to sell her submarines to Australia - Daddy immediately publicly "blew" for several milliards - still screaming like a victim. And you say escanders like two fingers ...
Maybe they are generally better off with us in the CSTO?
Ps I am not calling anyone to anything, all this is my sarcasm and banter.

[voyaka uh]

If Germany had not been banned from the development and production of missiles and military aircraft after World War II, they would have had spaceports and the 2th generation.
But they were punished (deservedly!) For the crimes of Hitler and his team.
Both Soviet and American space grew out of German military developments. German rocket scientists worked fruitfully after the war, both there and there.

[Skipper]

This German is a naive Chukot. Who are they .. senior serfs of the United States ... will allow them to develop such a weapon.

[Iron]

Quote: voyaka uh

The Germans made a hypersonic missile in 1944. FAU-2.

Well, why are you spoiling the holiday for people? They think that they are suckers, they cannot do hypersound, but in fact they are the first in this. Well, people do not know that everything from orbit is already hypersound ... Do not break the holiday for people!

[Voltsky]

German observer: Even if Germany starts developing hypersonic weapons tomorrow, it will not be able to catch up with Russia and China for a long time

sounds like looking for opponents

[Knell wardenheart]

Generally speaking, I have not heard of German missiles since the "V-2" They seem to have been banned from once and all affairs, they showed extraordinary German punctuality in this matter) So, probably, before developing a glider, they will also have to thoroughly cheat with rockets. In general, to what extent do the Germans have actual developments in aerodynamics?
Plow the Teutons and plow shorter ..

[Momento]

they have a meteor. which only China repeated - though the Chinese did worse. so they are fine with the development.

[Knell wardenheart]

If you are talking about this rocket (https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/MBDA_Meteor) then there is transnational cooperation in which there were no Germans born - Holland, France, Italy, Great Britain, Sweden. MBDA, the development company actually has a branch in Germany, and the rocket was also developed for the needs of Germany, but the Germans really stood there with a candle. If you mean that these technologies are available to them and they can produce these missiles - probably yes. But to produce and develop these are somewhat different things, the main competence in missiles is from MBDA from France and the UK, which have at least some experience in creating and managing such high-speed systems. In order to fumble in hypersound themselves, the Germans will either have to buy up shares in such companies (and it’s not a fact that they will succeed), or go through all the chains of trial and error that came to the development of such systems about 50 years ago.

[Momento]

exactly about this one. according to the wiki, it was the German design that was adopted for this rocket. german A3M configuration.

[nks]

iris-t also, if we talk about URVV, but in general the Germans took part in many projects, but their full cycle is rare.

[faterdom]

The main thing for the Germans is not to miss the moment and declare that the unification under the auspices of the FRG was erroneous, and that in fact they united in the GDR. Yes, I forgot to erect monuments to Honecker and Markus Wolf in every np from 1000 people.