From a cannon to sparrows: will the micro-UAV return a shotgun to the battlefield

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Image en.wikipedia.org

History small weapons began with a smooth barrel, but as soon as rifled small arms appeared, they began to rapidly displace smooth-bore weapons due to the greater range and accuracy of fire.

In relatively small quantities, smooth-bore small arms were still used by American troops in Vietnam, in some places they are still operated by the police, sometimes the armed forces are used to solve special tasks - knocking out door locks, firing non-lethal ammunition, and so on, however, these are rather the exceptions that only confirm the rule.



A potentially smooth barrel can "take its toll" in the event of the start of the massive use of feathered arrow-shaped sub-caliber ammunition, which the rifled barrel only interferes with increasing speed, and stabilization is provided by the plumage of the arrow bullet. The prospects for such weapons were considered in the article Caliber bullets and a tungsten carbide conical barrel: the future of small arms?

In civilian circulation, "shotguns" are used quite actively: both for hunting and for self-defense of the home - a plus for the smoothbore is a sufficient ease of acquisition, a relatively low lethal range of shot / buckshot, and bullet cartridges (pellet / buckshot / bullet will not fly a kilometer or more, killing a random person “on the way”), while large-caliber smoothbore weapons has a high stopping effect and low requirements for shooting accuracy (it is not so critical where exactly the sheaf of shot or buckshot hits, in the head / chest / stomach of the target, the enemy is almost certainly a corpse).

Well, and, of course, first of all smooth-bore weapons are hunting.

As for the armed forces, when firing bullets, a smooth-bore weapon on the head loses to a rifled one (not counting the aforementioned feathered arrow-shaped sub-caliber ammunition), and in principle there are no tasks for shot and grape-shot charges in the armed forces, at least not until now.

Micro UAV - Threat from the Air


At the beginning of the XNUMXst century, unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs) became one of the most important components of the armed forces.

No, of course, they were used in the last century, but only now their use has become massive and comprehensive - technologies have reached the required level.

UAVs are used not only by the armed forces of the leading countries of the world, but also by illegal armed formations (IAF) - they manufacture reconnaissance and combat UAVs from commercial models and individual components for them.

There is a steady trend towards the appearance of UAVs with less and less weight and dimensions.

At the moment, the weight and size characteristics of some UAVs are already equal to the size of medium-sized birds and are getting closer in weight and size to insects.


Reconnaissance micro-UAV Black Hornet Nano weighing 18 grams. Image en.wikipedia.org

Earlier, we have already considered UAVs, which can be used both to destroy military equipment and enemy manpower, in the articles UAV kamikaze: new capabilities of ground units и Drones against manpower: will small-sized UAVs replace the rifle on the battlefield?

If the military equipment can still take care of itself, for example, with the help automated modules with 30-mm cannons, with shells with remote detonation on the trajectory or even using promising laser weapon modules, it is much more difficult to protect ground fighters without the support of "armor".

In fact, now the troops do not have effective means of countering micro-UAVs.

Laser weapons are not an option here - it is still unrealistic to make them in acceptable dimensions and with sufficient power to equip individual servicemen.

Portable anti-aircraft missile systems or do not see drones in general, or too large and expensive to be able to organize a defense against the attack of a dozen homemade quadcopters with an explosive charge or an attached grenade.

Anti-drone weapon


Periodically, information appears about the development of anti-drone weapons: various devices throwing a net, electromagnetic guns, GPS signal jammers, or even UAV interceptors.

They can be quite effective if it is necessary to shoot down a single UAV that flew into the airport zone, trying to adjust enemy mortar fire at a military base, or about to drop a grenade into position.

The question is how quickly the above types of anti-drone weapons can be used and with what probability they will ensure the defeat of a dozen, or even several dozen, simultaneously attacking enemy micro-UAVs, when the target will be precisely the fighters, and the drones themselves, having a mass of several dozen or hundreds of grams and sizes, like a sparrow / pigeon, will actively move and attack from several directions?


Anti-drone weapon REX-1. Image by zala-aero.com


Advertising video for anti-drone weapon REX-1

Can we assume that electronic warfare (EW) means, capable of “closing” the selected area for the UAV, will become an insurmountable obstacle for the micro-UAV?

But here, too, one cannot be unequivocally sure of their effectiveness.

The noise immunity of satellite navigation systems is constantly improving, and at the final section, micro-UAVs launched into the attack area via an anti-jamming GPS channel will be guided using their own optical reconnaissance equipment, directly at the fighters using image recognition (such technologies are actively used and are being developed - remember the camera your smartphone, which is capable of recognizing the faces of people in the frame and even a separate smile, that is, facial expressions).

Of course, with this method of attack, there can be false victims and misses, but from the point of view of the attackers, everything will be compensated by the number and relative cheapness of the lost attacking UAVs against the destroyed targets - enemy soldiers.

In addition, EW means do not create a solid wall or an impenetrable force field; there may well be "gaps" that the enemy will take advantage of, or temporary gaps when EW means are stopped for maintenance or inspection.

Electronic warfare means themselves can be attacked with weapons aimed at radar radiation.

And finally, when attacking the enemy, the forward ground detachments can themselves get out from under the cover of electronic warfare means, where they will be attacked by kamikaze UAVs.

What else - to shoot down drones with existing small arms?

Perhaps it is possible, but how effective will such shooting be?

Try to hunt ducks with a submachine gun or machine gun, what will be the result?

No, a completely different weapon is used for the "ducks".

The return of the shotgun


As we said earlier, there is a huge number of UAVs of different weight and size characteristics.

For those that are "larger", specialized air defense systems (air defense) should work.

We are now interested in small-sized, so-called mini / micro / nano-UAVs (hereinafter referred to as micro-UAVs), which the enemy can use suddenly, at low altitude, without rising into the coverage area of ​​air defense systems. Enough massively, and use such UAVs as kamikaze to directly defeat soldiers.

As the "top level" of targets, the defeat of which we are considering, you can specify the Turkish UAV-quadrocopter Kargu type.

Perhaps its size and weight are even excessive for use as a kamikaze UAV designed to defeat an individual soldier.

It can be assumed that kamikaze UAVs, optimized to defeat individual military personnel, will weigh from several hundred grams to one or two kilograms.


Turkish UAV Kargu. Image en.wikipedia.org

Such UAVs have several distinctive features.

Firstly, this is a relatively low flight speed, on average about 150 kilometers per hour (especially with a combat load).

Secondly, their design is quite vulnerable, most often made of plastic, first of all, the propeller blades are defenseless.

In principle, the dimensions, speed and maneuverability of the mini- and micro-UAVs under consideration are comparable to those of some birds, such as forest pigeons, geese and ducks.

It can be assumed that even their vulnerability to damaging elements will be somewhat comparable - many birds have a fairly dense plumage that protects them from shot (of course, at a firing range close to the maximum). At the same time, people hunt birds for a long time and very successfully, including such fast and "agile" ones as the snipe or the pigeon-pigeon.


Birds such as the snipe or the pigeon pigeon are quite difficult targets for the hunter. Image wikipedia.org

Based on the foregoing, it can be assumed that as a means of short-range self-defense against micro-UAV-kamikaze, ground fighters can use smooth-bore weapons with special shot / buckshot striking elements.

Presumably, the maximum range of destruction of a micro-UAV from such weapons will be up to 100 meters, and the effective range will be about 50 meters. This is quite enough, given that the UAV will have to carry out additional search and maneuver to defeat moving and hiding targets.

In what format can the “anti-drone shotgun” be implemented?

First of all, in the form of a separate smooth-bore weapon, made on the basis of civilian multi-charge models, for example, semi-automatic machines of the Saiga or Vepr series of twelfth caliber.

The disadvantage of this solution is that you will have to allocate individual fighters to solve the tasks of destroying kamikaze UAVs.

At the same time, specialized weapons will provide maximum efficiency in the destruction of micro-UAVs due to the long barrel and large ammunition load.

In addition, a specialized anti-drone smooth-bore weapon can be made for a more powerful cartridge, for example, a 12x89 mm caliber ("supermagnum", the actual size is 18,5x89 mm).

Also, a special sight can be installed on the anti-drone gun, optimized for the detection and destruction of micro-UAVs.


Self-loading smoothbore guns of the twelfth caliber "Saiga" and "Vepr". Image wikipedia.org

Potentially, shot / buckshot charges can be installed in under-barrel grenade launchers, the only question is what accuracy and at what range they can provide - the barrel is short, or rather, it is practically nonexistent.

The US Armed Forces previously used 40-mm canister ammunition for an under-barrel grenade launcher, with a maximum range of up to 30 meters, but they were not widely used.

A compromise solution could be the installation of underbarrel shotguns, there will be at least some barrel length and multiple charges for 3-4 cartridges of 12x76 mm caliber ("magnum", the actual size is 18,5x76 mm), but in this case the fighter is deprived of the underbarrel grenade launcher.

From a cannon to sparrows: will the micro-UAV return a shotgun to the battlefield
An underbarrel shotgun on an M-4 rifle and a Benelli M4 S90 shotgun of the US Armed Forces. Image wikipedia.org

What other options are there?

Article Combined small arms: causes, projects and prospects considered previously developed, existing and promising projects of combined small arms, including ammunition of several types.

In that article, it was proposed to consider the possibility of creating a promising combined rifle, which should include a module with a smooth barrel, for firing bursts at a distance of up to 400-500 meters under a telescopic cartridge with a feathered sub-caliber bullet of 2,5 / 10 mm - 3,5 / 10 mm, and a bullpup module with a rifled barrel designed for semi-automatic high-precision firing with a 6–8 mm cartridge for a range of up to 800–1000 meters.

Most of the previously developed / developed combined rifle complexes discussed in the article included a rifle module chambered for a standard cartridge of 5,45x39 mm / 5,56x45 mm caliber and a multiply charged grenade launcher of 12,7-20 mm caliber.

Potentially a combined rifle can include a module for existing ammunition of 5,45x39 mm / 7,62x39 mm or an experimental Soviet cartridge 6x49 mm, as well as a smooth-bore module with a caliber of 18,5-20 mm.

Accordingly, the smooth-bore module can be used both for the use of shot / buckshot anti-drone ammunition, and for firing explosive / incendiary ammunition, ammunition with swept striking elements or any other that can be effective in the given dimensions.

The pressure in the barrel of a smooth-bore gun is almost three times less than that of the rifled barrel of the calibers used in the armed forces, respectively, the smooth-bore module can be made of composite materials, with a relatively thin steel rail inside (however, according to this scheme, a rifled barrel can also be made , for a general reduction in the mass of the combination rifle).


Concepts and prototype of the American XM29 combination rifle, developed as part of the OICW program. Image wikipedia.org

And finally, another "advanced" option is the creation of mobile anti-drone systems based on small-sized robotic systems with high maneuverability, which also use something like a shotgun with automatic, possibly belt-fed, ammunition to defeat UAVs.

But this is already a much more difficult task "for the future", and in any case, such a robot will not always and not everywhere be able to accompany the fighters.


Potentially anti-drone systems can be placed on robots high permeability. Image by wikipedia.org

The question arises, will the fighters be able to effectively shoot down "agile" UAVs?

Most likely - yes, as always, someone is better, someone is worse.

At least there is already a way to train them - this is clay pigeon shooting or skeet shooting.

By the way, now people pay money for skeet shooting - it's great fun.

By the way, this is another indicator of the importance of civilian weapons in the country and the developed weapon / shooting traditions.

Timely detection


If it is quite possible to shoot down a micro-UAV with a shotgun, then it is much more difficult to detect it, especially in combat conditions, when it is necessary to move, take cover, follow the enemy and your own, and the noise of UAV propellers drowns out explosions and sounds of shots.

Article Battle suit. Wound statistics, bullets and splinters the probability of being hit by various factors was considered, including bullets, shrapnel of various sizes and high-explosive impact (excess pressure).

As a result, we can conclude that the most important task is to create a new generation of combat equipment capable of protecting a fighter, first of all, from light fragments and the effects of excessive pressure.

In terms of protection against UAVs, such equipment will give two important points:

1. Micro-UAVs will have to fly up and undermine in the immediate vicinity of a protected soldier - when detonated at a distance, either small fragments will not penetrate the armor, or large ones will fly by (you cannot put a large warhead with large fragments on a micro-UAV). This complicates targeting, slows down the attack, and gives more time to detect and destroy the attacking UAV.

2. Acoustic systems for detecting specific sounds emitted by UAV propellers can be integrated into the helmet. Unlike the human ear, digital loudspeakers can identify specific types of noise signatures emitted by UAVs, and use triangulation to determine the direction to the source.

The accuracy of such a system will be an order of magnitude higher, provided that all the helmets of the fighters are connected into a single network. The direction to the UAV can be displayed in any simple form on the visor of the helmet (as a direction or sector) and in the sight of the anti-drone weapon.

Anti-drone weapons can be additionally equipped with directional infrared and ultraviolet illumination - at least many commercial drones converted by militants into combat drones will shine with such illumination as a Christmas tree, and even combat models may have elements that glare in one or another wavelength range ...


Anti-drone smooth-bore weapons should be equipped with specialized sighting devices that increase the likelihood of detecting micro-UAVs. Image youtube.com

Conclusions


The problem of micro-UAV-kamikaze will become one of the most urgent in the near future.

Quite recently, we saw how UAVs of various types, including kamikaze UAVs, were effectively used during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, and this is just the beginning.

The miniaturization of engines and electronic components, increasing the efficiency of batteries and optimizing control algorithms together can lead to the fact that mini- and micro-UAVs will become the main threat to the soldiers of ground units.

The solution to this problem must be sought today.

Will the shotgun be an effective weapon against UAVs?

In combination with other means of protection, such as electronic warfare equipment, interceptor drones, specialized anti-drone air defense systems of various types, it is quite possible.

At a minimum, smooth-bore small arms are simple to design and manufacture, and these weapons are available for use now, and the feasibility and effectiveness of its use will show time.

At least, from the fact that the fighters increase their shooting training and learn how to shoot skeet shots effectively offhand, it will definitely not get any worse.
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  1. +5
    12 January 2022 05: 55
    will the micro-UAV return the shotgun to the battlefield

    I never thought about it ... And this is a thought!
  2. +3
    12 January 2022 06: 03
    Quite recently, we saw how UAVs of various types, including kamikaze UAVs, were effectively used during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh

    And what relation do Bayraktars have to mini-drones, the range (combat effectiveness) is measured in tens (kami) meters? Mini-drones can serve as scouts, but, excuse me, as killers ... However, if they are equipped with firing needles with curare poison ... recourse
    A shotgun is a good thing, but the improvement of electronic warfare equipment and their duplication, which excludes the likelihood of pauses in work, is a better option, I suppose, than soldiers scorching from shotguns, unmasking their location ...
    1. +2
      12 January 2022 07: 03
      Quote: yuriy55
      Quite recently, we saw how UAVs of various types, including kamikaze UAVs, were effectively used during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh

      And what relation do Bayraktars have to mini-drones, the range (combat effectiveness) is measured in tens (kami) meters?


      There were used not only Baykatars, but also other drones, including. kamikaze drones, only "big".

      In general, the full meaning is set out in two paragraphs:

      Quite recently, we saw how UAVs of various types, including kamikaze UAVs, were effectively used during the conflict in Nagorno-Karabakh, and this is just the beginning.

      The miniaturization of engines and electronic components, increasing the efficiency of batteries and optimizing control algorithms together can lead to the fact that mini- and micro-UAVs will become the main threat to the soldiers of ground units.


      Quote: yuriy55
      Mini-drones can serve as scouts, but, excuse me, as killers ... However, if they are equipped with firing needles with curare poison ... recourse


      It is unlikely to be massive, although terrorists and murderers can build something like that. But a micro-charge of explosives or several barrelless ammunition with electric ignitors is real.

      Quote: yuriy55
      A shotgun is a good thing, but the improvement of electronic warfare equipment and their duplication, which excludes the likelihood of pauses in work, is a better option, I suppose, than soldiers scorching from shotguns, unmasking their location ...


      Electronic warfare, in principle, may not work if the drone does not use communications and external navigation. INS, optics and target recognition system - we attack everything in camouflage and / or with weapons in a given area within XNUMX hours from the moment of launch.
      1. 0
        12 January 2022 07: 38
        Quote: AVM
        incl. kamikaze drones, only "big".

        Exactly! Mini drones have significantly less capabilities ... Yes
    2. +1
      12 January 2022 10: 07
      A shotgun is a good thing, but improving electronic warfare means and their duplication, excluding the likelihood of pauses in work, is the best option,


      Aldeady no. Today we already have UAVs capable of performing tasks without control from outside, completely autonomously, and pretty soon we will finally come to the conclusion that an operator for each UAV will not be needed.
      1. 0
        12 January 2022 10: 55
        Quote: rait
        Today we already have UAVs capable of performing tasks without control from outside, completely autonomously, and pretty soon we ...

        How is the orientation in the data space of "autonomies" carried out? There are a couple of simple ways to "drive crazy" electronic stuffing ...
        1. 0
          12 January 2022 20: 37
          Quote: yuriy55
          Quote: rait
          Today we already have UAVs capable of performing tasks without control from outside, completely autonomously, and pretty soon we ...

          How is the orientation in the data space of "autonomies" carried out? There are a couple of simple ways to "drive crazy" electronic stuffing ...


          Which ones?
        2. 0
          14 January 2022 17: 06
          How is orientation in the data space of "autonomous" carried out?


          Starting with GPS and ending with our own completely autonomous internal positioning systems.
    3. +2
      12 January 2022 10: 49
      A shotgun is a good thing

      Interestingly - the author himself tried to shoot from the Boar, for example, at the stand? The occupation is very philosophical. Offhand from a fool of 5 kg ... And this despite the fact that you know the direction in advance. Something I doubt very much that from a shotgun - you can effectively shoot back from small dirty tricks attacking you from all sides ..
      1. +1
        12 January 2022 20: 40
        Quote: paul3390
        A shotgun is a good thing

        Interestingly - the author himself tried to shoot from the Boar, for example, at the stand? The occupation is very philosophical. Offhand from a fool of 5 kg ... And this despite the fact that you know the direction in advance.


        No. From the MTs double-barreled gun, MP 153 semiautomatic device, Benelli.

        Quote: paul3390
        [Something I doubt very much that from a shotgun - you can effectively shoot from small dirty tricks attacking you from all sides ..


        There are many questions - to what extent will it be possible to ensure the synchronization of the attack? How well will they be spotted by the equipment reconnaissance equipment and how exactly will they be directed to them? How small will they be? How fast and agile?
        1. -1
          13 January 2022 12: 42
          Shooting from the classics is a completely different matter - a different balance, and weight. Plus - it has a long trunk, not less than 710. And Boar and Saiga have a maximum of 520, like mine. And even shorter. For long-range shot shooting, this is a very big drawback. I don't think it's a good idea to equip soldiers with a Murka-type oar .. Plus - the weight of the wearable cartridges, after all, they are 12 gauge and not a fig ..
      2. 0
        13 January 2022 17: 26
        Subject to an external indication of the direction of attack and a distance of less than 40-50 meters, it is very possible.
      3. -1
        18 February 2022 08: 09
        There is no problem of firing from the Vepr, but the question is the range of confident defeat. In fact, this is no more than 35 meters, but rather 30.
        What UAV will fly up to you at 30 meters? Only theoretical micro-drones
  3. +5
    12 January 2022 07: 00
    No, it won't. The article mentions hunting for ducks ... the first and most effective shot is when the ducks are on the water, the second, at random - you will / will not hit (I generally try not to succumb to excitement and do not make the second shot). The second shot hit rate is extremely low. Of course there are skeet shooters, but how many people have this skill? And the distance of defeat will be much less than described in the article - the smaller the fraction, the greater the likelihood of defeat, but the smaller the distance.
  4. +3
    12 January 2022 07: 01
    A compromise solution could be the installation of underbarrel shotguns, there will be at least some barrel length and multiple charges for 3-4 cartridges of 12x76 mm caliber ("magnum", the actual size is 18,5x76 mm), but in this case the fighter is deprived of the underbarrel grenade launcher.

    You can use an under-barrel grenade launcher. The USA has M576 - grapeshot, equipped with 20 grapeshot. Replace buckshot with a fraction. Maybe add explosives with remote detonation.
  5. +5
    12 January 2022 07: 30
    Is it worth it to fence difficulties with grenade modules and other things? There are normal verticals. It is easier and more effective to shoot them. As my own experience tells me (I shoot at the stand), a shooter with little experience can hit any target. A good instructor and a couple of hours of training is enough. Some hunters just need to point out their mistakes. There are normal (yes, a small resource), but quite good Russian verticals .. Yes, it is necessary to train, organize, but without this, nowhere.
  6. +2
    12 January 2022 08: 58
    At least, from the fact that the fighters increase their shooting training and learn how to shoot skeet shots effectively offhand, it will definitely not get any worse.

    Certainly.
    However, such shooting is possible only because a person knows one or two directions from which plates may appear.
    The fact is that the modern tactics of using microdrones involves using them as part of a swarm.
    When 64/128/256, etc. units with a dead weight of 180 g, each carrying a thirty-gram shellless explosive charge, at a speed of 85 km / h start in 3-4 rows, turn the "carousel" in different directions and planes, narrowing the circle turn by turn, then there is no time for bench craftsmen -Plate holders.
    1. 0
      12 January 2022 12: 08
      at a speed of 85 km / h, they begin in 3-4 rows, turn the "carousel" in different directions and planes, narrowing the circle turn by turn, then there is no longer time for bench craftsmen-saucer

      Actually, it is very possible that we have already come close to the level of technology development when a person begins to become a "weak link in the system" - in the sense that the capabilities of the human eye and the speed of reflexes available to the human brain and muscular system begin to significantly yield to the capabilities of automatic systems. weapons.
    2. +2
      12 January 2022 16: 04
      Certainly.
      However, such shooting is possible only because a person knows one or two directions from which plates may appear.

      There are differences between a round stand and a trench stand. One or two directions is a round stand. On a trench stand, all three directions (left, right and vertical) can be very, very different.
    3. 0
      12 January 2022 20: 42
      Quote: A. Privalov
      At least, from the fact that the fighters increase their shooting training and learn how to shoot skeet shots effectively offhand, it will definitely not get any worse.

      Certainly.
      However, such shooting is possible only because a person knows one or two directions from which plates may appear.
      The fact is that the modern tactics of using microdrones involves using them as part of a swarm.
      When 64/128/256, etc. units with a dead weight of 180 g, each carrying a thirty-gram shellless explosive charge, at a speed of 85 km / h start in 3-4 rows, turn the "carousel" in different directions and planes, narrowing the circle turn by turn, then there is no time for bench craftsmen -Plate holders.


      Let's just say that one shotgun is definitely not enough, a systematic approach is needed here, but as a means of completing those who have broken through, why not?

      And the direction should also be shown by the automatic equipment of the helmet of the equipment.
      1. 0
        13 January 2022 07: 24
        Quote: AVM
        Let's just say that one shotgun is definitely not enough, a systematic approach is needed here, but as a means of completing those who have broken through, why not?

        And the direction should also be shown by the automatic equipment of the helmet of the equipment.

        Certainly not to be missed.
        However, there can be no talk of any "finishing shots of those who have broken through" during the attack of a swarm. Roy, he is for that and a swarm that acts almost simultaneously.
        The gathering and organizing phase takes place hundreds of meters from the object and takes less than one minute. You can't physically reach him there. It is also impossible to constantly keep large areas under electronic warfare. The attack phase takes several seconds. Roy is already acting on a solid program chosen from a dozen options. After that, there is nothing to "shoot" anymore. Roy is no more.

        "Equipment helmets" sharpened for microdrones, for the time being, pass through the NF category. So, let's not even take them into account. Of course, as the situation develops in this area, new developments and new opportunities will appear. The fight between sword and shield will never end. However, on the subject under discussion, the sword today wins..
        1. 0
          17 February 2022 12: 27
          Quote: A. Privalov
          However, on the subject under discussion, the sword wins today..

          If using your drones - to detect the delivery of drones to a position? Any specific container?
          And launch a pre-emptive strike - rudely - on a warehouse with drones?
          1. 0
            17 February 2022 13: 46
            Quote: your1970
            If using your drones - to detect the delivery of drones to a position? Any specific container?
            And launch a pre-emptive strike - rudely - on a warehouse with drones?

            Excuse me, how do you imagine such a "warehouse" and how are you going to identify it?
            There is no specific "container" for the swarm. It can be any truck with a booth, a truck, a refrigerator. This may be a container on a container ship standing in the port, or already shipped at the port in a warehouse-parking lot. A set of 64 Drones fits in a cardboard box like a refrigerator package.
            1. 0
              17 February 2022 15: 48
              Quote: A. Privalov
              A set of 64 Drones fits in a cardboard box like a refrigerator package.

              Well, look out on the front line - boxes with refrigerators lol
              The flight range is obviously small
  7. +1
    12 January 2022 10: 35
    The tank was once recognized as the best anti-tank weapon! So, can you remember a similar slogan in the anti-microdrones war? Just as a group of a machine gunner with PKM or a grenade launcher with an RPG-7 is "included" into a unit, so a "microdron fighter" with a "box" (container) of "antidrones" behind its back will appear! Although this is not necessary ... as fighters throw behind their backs disposable RPGs instead of RPG-7s, there will also be "tubes" with "microdrones-fighters" behind their backs ... or even with "multi-purpose" ones! If someone cannot wait for such a "moment", then it can be easier! The USA has developed a 40-mm Rike missile with a laser seeker, which can be launched from an under-barrel grenade launcher ... You can also try a 40-mm NUR, but a shrapnel one!
    1. +1
      12 January 2022 12: 31
      Or maybe something like that? wassat laughing

      1. +2
        12 January 2022 13: 23
        Well, Kostya ... didn't expect a small scale from you! Shirsha and glybzha need to think! And "beha" is replacing the peasant "kopeck"! Progress and progression are different things! Claim a premium on the spot! Insist on adding vodka to every beer! What is "this" for us when there is ...
        1. 0
          12 January 2022 13: 37
          Paragraph!!!
          Nothing more to say! fellow
  8. +1
    12 January 2022 10: 50
    Shot or buckshot firing range up to 100 meters.
    You need shrapnel ammunition of 30-40 mm caliber stuffed with shot or buckshot, of course, preferably with programmed detonation. It is possible for a grenade launcher or AGS. It will even be effective at destroying a swarm or a single small UAV. Shrapnel is more effective than just a shrapnel projectile in an air explosion
    1. -1
      12 January 2022 14: 08
      For such purposes, the GM-94 manual pump-action grenade launcher is more suitable.

      And of course, with this kind of application, you need something like a smart sight.
  9. lot
    +1
    12 January 2022 11: 06
    S Lem, Invincible, 1964


    the wold of flies
  10. 0
    12 January 2022 11: 07
    For such a task, it seems to me, fragmentation-beam ammunition for under-barrel and rocket-propelled grenade launchers would be good. For GP-25, it is quite realistic to create a shot weighing about 400 g, containing 60-70 g of explosive and 100-150 g of GGE in the form, for example, of steel balls 3-4 mm in diameter in an amount of about 500-800 pieces, with a cone-shaped expansion along the longitudinal axis of the grenade and with an initial speed of 600-1000m / s. At the same time, the grenade itself does not even need to be accelerated to normal 76m / s, 50m / s is enough for the recoil to remain at the same level, and detonate the grenade at a distance of 10-15 m from the muzzle. True, here it is necessary, I think, to provide for a plastic case and the separation of the flying sleeve from the grenade in order to avoid injury to the shooter by their fragments. Such ammunition, by the way, not only against drones, but also in case of unexpected fire contact in the forest, or during a battle in a building will be effective.
    1. +1
      12 January 2022 12: 54
      Give "Kolos" MANPADS! Cheap and cheerful!
  11. +1
    12 January 2022 14: 18
    Interestingly - the author himself tried to shoot from the Boar, for example, at the stand? The occupation is very philosophical. Offhand from a fool of 5 kg ... And this despite the fact that you know the directions in advance. The weight of a stand gun is usually 4 kg, sometimes a little more, nothing, we shoot. In the TRAPE (TRANCHE) the flight of the cymbals is unknown. The speed of the plates is 40 m / s. This is in the region of 140 km / h
  12. 0
    12 January 2022 14: 26
    It is easier for KMK to make an anti-drone protection module on an armored personnel carrier / infantry fighting vehicle.

    Hang something like a GSHG in caliber 5.45 and that will be enough.
  13. +1
    12 January 2022 14: 30
    This makes no sense. Nobody will invent and carry a smoothbore with them in the hope of adequately meeting the attack of a swarm of UAVs. If the use of such microdrones becomes widespread, then it will be enough to make a buckshot cartridge for the rocket launcher.
    1. 0
      17 February 2022 12: 32
      Quote: Sokol IBA
      This makes no sense. Nobody will invent and carry a smoothbore with them in the hope of adequately meeting the attack of a swarm of UAVs. If the use of such microdrones becomes widespread, then it will be enough to make a buckshot cartridge for the rocket launcher.

      Against 10-20-50 micro drones? Reload speed, huh?
  14. +1
    12 January 2022 14: 35
    Interestingly - the author himself tried to shoot from the Boar, for example, at the stand? The occupation is very philosophical. Offhand from a fool of 5 kg ... And this despite the fact that you know the direction in advance.
    The weight of a stand gun is usually in the region of 4 kg, sometimes a little more, and we shoot nothing. In the TRAP (TRANCHEYA) bench discipline, the flight of the cymbals is unknown. At the same time, the speed of the plates is 40 m / s, which is slightly more than 140 km / h.
  15. 0
    12 January 2022 17: 49
    And something came to my mind ...
  16. 0
    11 February 2022 21: 16
    The noise immunity of satellite navigation systems is constantly improving - I just yelled from this))) the comrade is not aware of how electronic warfare in satellite navigation works in general))) The most important thing in this touched the word is noise immunity))) you might think someone is interfering with the navigation signal - we are jamming the satellites )) it is stupidly replaced! connoisseur))))
  17. 0
    11 February 2022 21: 25
    What an ahtar here he made a long time ago was invented ischo 3-4 decades ago. With the help of RS or OTRK, a cluster munition is launched into a given square - which does not care about electronic warfare and so on. Means of attack fall out of the cassette - planning ammunition with GOS - and there already figure out how to attack and detect targets according to any algorithms embedded in the ammunition. The beauty of such systems is low cost and efficiency, the disadvantage is low selectivity - they will cut everyone in a given square where the cassette will come.
    In fact, nonsense - all modern UAVs (except for large ones) are jammed by electronic warfare, a trifle is most susceptible to this effect, and delivering homing ammunition (with seeker) is much faster and more efficient using cluster munition (rocket, RS, etc.).
  18. 0
    17 February 2022 12: 17
    An overly long article with chewing on known facts. is the author paid for the amount of bukffff ???
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    April 6 2022 23: 37
    In the 2010s, Gadakh was developing a weapon for a tactical drone fighter drone. Not micro. It was a 10-gauge, double-barreled, double-shot shotgun. The cartridges were supposed to be equipped with steel or even tungsten shot. the drone was created on the basis of a flying target, more precisely in parallel with it. Neither a target nor a fighter, but according to the calculations of the specialists, the shotgun fully provided the solution to the problem.

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