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In the Polish press: Experts believe the Russians deliberately intended to take possession of the sonar antenna of the British frigate HMS Northumberland

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In the expert environment of NATO countries, a very peculiar interpretation of the events of 2020 was voiced, in which, as Britain earlier said, a Russian submarine damaged the sonar of one of the warships of the British Navy. Initially, it was reported that the frigate HMS Northumberland made a collision with a Russian submarine, as a result of which the British ship's sonar was damaged. Now events are interpreted differently.


So, in the Polish edition of Defense24, the author, referring to experts in NATO, writes the following:

It is likely that a Russian submarine, during a rapprochement with a British frigate, tried to take possession of its sonar, taking into account the fact that its antenna was towed at a fair distance from the warship.

It is reported that we are talking about a Type 2087 sonar with a towed antenna. At the same time, NATO experts, commenting on the incident, say that it happened beyond the Arctic Circle - in the waters between the shores of Norway and Iceland. There, the British frigate was engaged in tracking the movement of submarines of the Russian Navy during their transition to the Atlantic Ocean.

It is also added that the British carrier-based helicopter "identified the Russian submarine by the periscope."

The Polish observer writes that it is no coincidence that the British have not reported anything about the incident for more than a year. They, as stated on the pages of the aforementioned military-themed publication, "cannot afford to admit the possibility of capturing the sonar antenna by Russian sailors."

From material in the Polish press:

Experts believe that the Russians deliberately intended to take possession of the sonar antenna of the British frigate HMS Northumberland.

Recall that, according to official London data, the loss (initially reported damage) of the sonar was accidental.
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  1. KKND
    KKND 9 January 2022 16: 39
    +20
    There is a non-ferrous metal in the sonar antenna.
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 9 January 2022 16: 46
      +3
      Quote: KKND
      There is a non-ferrous metal in the sonar antenna.

      If you haven't stolen it, then you haven't found it, or it's too few to bother. lol
      1. Shurik70
        Shurik70 9 January 2022 17: 34
        +9
        So what?
        NATO members themselves flooded into close contact. Even a very quiet submarine will be heard by the sonar close up. But the submarine may well miss the sonar. So NATO members deliberately allowed a dangerous approach, probably with the aim of more accurate recording of the noise.
        Well, and not take advantage of such a gift and grab the wreckage? There are no such fools.
        I remember the ram of ships in the Black Sea in 1988. There, the boatswain wanted to steal an American missile during it, and threw a loop of a steel cable. Unfortunately I missed.
        1. SSR
          SSR 9 January 2022 19: 55
          +1
          Quote: Shurik70
          Even a very quiet submarine will be heard by the sonar close up.

          Well, hike, according to the article, lol.)))
          Experts believe that the Russians deliberately intended to take possession of the sonar antenna of the British frigate HMS Northumberland.

          But what about this?))
          It is also added that the British carrier-based helicopter "identified the Russian submarine by the periscope."

          laughing laughing
          The sonar said, I was offended!)))
          1. Cutter
            Cutter 10 January 2022 03: 18
            0
            Pshekam, as always, fancies a SCARY plan of the Russians. Under your keel, smell ...
          2. kytx
            kytx 11 January 2022 06: 03
            +1
            We fasten the locator to the add-in. We pop up. We go out onto the deck with grinders, cut them into pieces, and drag them inside piece by piece. We hand over to Are for metal acceptance. Profit!
            A! I almost forgot! Show fakies to the British, Poles, here. Medved, vodka, balalaika and kalinka-malinka.

            Lord, what nonsense!
        2. lucul
          lucul 9 January 2022 21: 39
          0
          So what?
          NATO members themselves flooded into close contact. Even a very quiet submarine will be heard by the sonar near

          So the whole tsimes is that I did not hear))))
          Our guys scoffed at the Britons so much that they even poked their noses into their most modern sonar - they say I’m here, but you don’t see me, they even raised the periscope to see the reaction of the Britons. These are the towed sonars for the Britons))))
          And the Britons themselves speak about this most modern sonar Sonar 2087 as follows.
          Sonar 2087 is a low frequency active sonar, it contains both active and passive acoustic array. Thales describes its system as “towed sonar that will allow Type 23 ships fight the most advanced submarines at a considerable distance and detect them outside the range of their weapons ”[1].

          During the Auriga exercises in 2010, the combat capabilities of the HMS Sutherland (F81) frigate equipped with the Sonar 2087 GAS were assessed by the ship commander as “best in the world».

          And Klimov, with Timokhin, they prove to us here on VO that Russian submarines are very bad and useless in modern warfare, because they are easy to find.)))
        3. Alexey D.
          Alexey D. 9 January 2022 21: 51
          0
          It seems, on the contrary, ours cut off the locator for them so that they would not stick their face wherever they ask. winked
      2. Alex777
        Alex777 9 January 2022 18: 44
        +1
        Tired of the Britons with their tracking, so they punished them,
        to keep the distance. With stubborn, it is impossible otherwise. bully
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 9 January 2022 20: 37
          +2
          Quote: Alex777
          Tired of the Britons with their tracking, so they punished them,
          to keep the distance. With stubborn, it is impossible otherwise.

          Ours is not in the first place (to steal sonars from NATO ships)
      3. paul3390
        paul3390 9 January 2022 20: 46
        +10
        I read somewhere a funny story .. In the Western Group of Forces there was a German translator, who was good at ours ... And once, during a regular booze, he asked the battalion commander:
        - Why do you sometimes say stolen, and sometimes .... (a well-known analogue)? I understand that the second is jargon, but what's the difference?
        To which the battalion commander answered without hesitation:
        - You see, Hans, when they stole - there is still a chance to find ..
      4. alex neym_2
        alex neym_2 9 January 2022 21: 14
        +1
        Have the local residents already sent a request to the Poles or are they just going to? They (the Poles) are the greatest experts in the world, they know everything, even how Ivan Susanin planted a birch tree in the right one, that Kaczynski would crash
    2. ved_med12
      ved_med12 9 January 2022 16: 49
      0
      Red KM, Soviet issue, late 70s
    3. The black
      The black 9 January 2022 16: 50
      +8
      British carrier-based helicopter "identified the Russian submarine by periscope"

      Didn't they identify pairs of dolphins similar to Bashirov and Petrov there? winked bully
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 9 January 2022 17: 52
        -1
        Quote: Black
        Didn't they identify pairs of dolphins similar to Bashirov and Petrov there?

        Of course. How could you find out? The dolphins were in quilted jackets and earflaps - it's cold after all.
        say that it happened beyond the Arctic Circle - in the waters between the shores of Norway and Iceland.

        But this is still a secret. A year later, they will certainly sound. wassat
      2. seregatara1969
        seregatara1969 9 January 2022 18: 11
        +4
        And their warriors are so professional that they can distinguish between reiscops of different boats? It's hard for me to identify whose anchor it is, even if it is lying on land.
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 10 January 2022 20: 21
          -2
          Quote: seregatara1969
          And their warriors are so professional that they can distinguish between reiscops of different boats?

          Of course they do! It was an extremely aggressive periscope.
          1. seregatara1969
            seregatara1969 17 January 2022 09: 20
            +1
            He clicked his teeth on fsekh? Tried to bite your leg?
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 17 January 2022 18: 59
              0
              Quote: seregatara1969
              He clicked his teeth on fsekh? Tried to bite your leg?

              And probably even obscenely gurgled. wassat
    4. Anachoret
      Anachoret 9 January 2022 16: 51
      +10
      Not "to take possession", but "to take possession"))))
      And why did the small-shavens not mention P and B?))
      For example, the
      "Petrov and Boshirov caught up with the British frigate and took possession of it in an unnatural way))) through sonar))"
    5. AUL
      AUL 9 January 2022 16: 55
      +10
      Well, if Polish experts think so, then it is so! Polish experts are never wrong! laughing
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 10 January 2022 20: 22
        -2
        Quote: AUL
        Polish experts are never wrong!

        Only English scientists are better than Polish experts.
    6. Rusticolus
      Rusticolus 10 January 2022 05: 55
      +1
      There is a non-ferrous metal in the sonar antenna.
      aha, and there are all sorts of transistors.
  2. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 9 January 2022 16: 44
    +4
    the Russians deliberately intended to take possession of the sonar antenna of the British frigate HMS Northumberland.

    Here you go. Either the Russians stole a secret cable from the bottom, or miraculously did not cut the antenna off ...
    In general, I am surprised that they have not yet been accused of organizing events in Kazakhstan in order to bring in "polite green men" with the aim of annexing Baikonur and Northern Kazakhstan. request
    1. faiver
      faiver 9 January 2022 17: 39
      +3
      Either the Russians stole a secret cable from the bottom, or miraculously did not cut the antenna off ...
      - you confused everything, on the contrary, you almost stole the cable, and cut off the antenna laughing
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 10 January 2022 20: 24
        -1
        Quote: faiver
        you got it all mixed up

        What's the difference! It's all the same to blame! wassat
  3. faiver
    faiver 9 January 2022 16: 46
    +9
    the photo of the Sharks is just in the subject, it was on her that they hunted for sonar, although she could drag off the entire frigate good laughing
  4. Sergei Zabelin
    Sergei Zabelin 9 January 2022 16: 47
    +18
    Oh god, here on VO they say that our boats are visible as much as hundreds and thousands of kilometers, and ours turns out to be almost hands-on locators are tying, oh, if not for the periscope
    1. Nikon O'Conor
      Nikon O'Conor 9 January 2022 17: 04
      +6
      Yes, the periscope is pale ... you need to solve this issue))
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 9 January 2022 23: 19
        +3
        you need to solve this issue))

        You can put a bucket on it, there will be very much even nothing ... a bucket floats for itself and floats)
        1. Nikon O'Conor
          Nikon O'Conor 10 January 2022 09: 17
          +1
          Turd! A big turd is swimming and floating in the North Sea!)))
          Happy Holidays! drinks
    2. wandlitz
      wandlitz 9 January 2022 17: 06
      +2
      So they probably wanted to wind it on the periscope. Once Petrov and Bashirov were not visible on the deck. These would have done it in an instant ...
      1. Sergei Zabelin
        Sergei Zabelin 9 January 2022 17: 25
        +1
        they definitely wanted to wind it, but they forgot that there was an Internet cable that was coiled
    3. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 9 January 2022 17: 07
      +1
      oh, if not for the periscope
      .....that's right...
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  5. K-50
    K-50 9 January 2022 16: 48
    +10
    Experts believe that the Russians deliberately intended to take possession of the sonar antenna of the British frigate HMS Northumberland

    What? Unscrew on the go? belay
    Yes, in 7 years after the explosions in the Czech Republic, Petrov and Bashirov have clearly raised their qualifications.
    Well, at least they didn't think of cutting off the bottom of the frigate, otherwise they will. fellow yes laughing
  6. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 January 2022 16: 52
    +14
    I ask the club for help.
    If the sonar was on, how did they miss the boat? And if it is off, then what for dragged on a cable?
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 9 January 2022 16: 56
      +3
      well ... the Poles have a decent way out ... to shoot themselves.
      1. faiver
        faiver 9 January 2022 17: 37
        +1
        no, they will have the Jews to blame ...
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 9 January 2022 17: 01
      +12
      Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich
      I ask the club for help.
      If the sonar was on, how did they miss the boat? And if it is off, then what for dragged on a cable?

      Towed GASs most likely operate on the side-scan principle.

      And why do you think you screwed up?

      It is not uncommon for a boat to cut the cables towed by the GAS.
      It can be accidental, or it can be deliberate.
      So ours were cut off from the Americans, and the Americans cut off from ours at the Pacific Fleet.
      Almost insolent.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 January 2022 17: 55
        0
        Quote: SovAr238A
        Towed GASs most likely operate on the side-scan principle.

        That is, they sneak up behind and grab the most intimate?
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 10 January 2022 13: 46
        +1
        Quote: SovAr238A
        It is not uncommon for a boat to cut the cables towed by the GAS.
        It can be accidental, or it can be deliberate.

        There was a case ... in 1983, the K-324 nuclear submarine, in the course of tracking the "McCloy" FR, which worked with the TASS system, managed to tear off the extended towed antenna of the system from the FR, by winding 400 m of the antenna on the propeller. smile
    3. Nikon O'Conor
      Nikon O'Conor 9 January 2022 17: 06
      +2
      There is a question for the sonar already, and he answered: "Well, I didn’t, I didn’t!" laughing
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 January 2022 17: 19
        +2
        Quote: Nikon OConor
        There is a question for the sonar already, and he answered: "Well, I didn’t, I didn’t!"

        Most likely the operators had five o'clock, and this is sacred.
    4. Flooding
      Flooding 9 January 2022 17: 09
      +7
      Quote: Sydor Amenpospestovich

      If the sonar was on, how did they miss the boat? And if it is off, then what for dragged on a cable?

      They caught on live bait.
      1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 9 January 2022 17: 26
        +3
        Well done, fish!
  7. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 9 January 2022 16: 53
    +5
    First, let them look for Stirlitz in the English Admiralty, who passed the coordinates of the tests of the towed antenna. The second perescope is like this, then it’s definitely Russians.
  8. svp67
    svp67 9 January 2022 17: 00
    +3
    It is also added that the British carrier-based helicopter "identified the Russian submarine by the periscope."
    The pilots managed to see the commander's eye through it and identify it by the iris ...)))
    It would be better to ask how the English ship missed the approach of the Russian submarine, because if it were in a war, the ship would not have had a chance to escape
  9. tTshka
    tTshka 9 January 2022 17: 12
    +3
    Ahhh well if in the "Polish press they count ... but on what counts, on the accounts or on the fingers (toes) ?!
  10. Gato
    Gato 9 January 2022 17: 19
    +18
    Our fleet has boats!
    Their "black holes" are called:
    The frigate will be stopped on the move
    And the antenna will be torn off for him
    wassat
    1. impostor
      impostor 9 January 2022 17: 41
      +8
      They also steal the cable from the norgs
      And the Swedes will be deprived of peace!
      And vodka from the Finnish cordons
      On board - and adios, comandant!
    2. Motorist
      Motorist 10 January 2022 00: 48
      +2
      Then they threaten with the periscope
      (what can you see from a helicopter),
      And the hydroacoustician will remember here
      Again about some mother ...
  11. impostor
    impostor 9 January 2022 17: 27
    +18
    I am tormented by vague doubts - the sonar antenna at the Britons, the secret cable at the Norgs ... this Smolensk birch ... three birches ... And they are still fighting for the honorary title of the navel of the unipolar world!
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  13. Praetorian4
    Praetorian4 9 January 2022 18: 00
    +6
    Initially, the Russians wanted to take possession of the British frigate, but had to limit themselves to sonar.
  14. stels_07
    stels_07 9 January 2022 18: 04
    +2
    If so, then a daring operation
  15. Pandiurin
    Pandiurin 9 January 2022 18: 19
    +1
    Maybe they just let them go ahead as a lady so that they could modestly fit into the wake. And the lady has a dress with a train (the locators were dismissed for several miles). The train was pinched, there was an embarrassment with the lady's dress. Disgraced, in a decent society it is customary to keep silent about this, and especially to the embarrassed side (the British).
  16. rocket757
    rocket757 9 January 2022 18: 21
    +1
    In the Polish press: Experts believe the Russians deliberately intended to take possession of the sonar antenna of the British frigate HMS Northumberland
    ... If you could, then well done ... not the first and not the last.
    Everybody does it, eka unseen.
  17. Siberian54
    Siberian54 9 January 2022 18: 47
    +2
    Boshirov and Petrov continue to work tongue
  18. Amateur
    Amateur 9 January 2022 19: 23
    +1
    Well, if the Polish experts themselves said, then
    tady OH
  19. ose4kinsura
    ose4kinsura 9 January 2022 20: 07
    +1
    Polish express experts? Haven't heard!
  20. rina
    rina 9 January 2022 20: 37
    0
    Interestingly, and in another two years what will they come up with ???
  21. Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira
    Sebastian Aristarkhovich Pereira 9 January 2022 21: 16
    +3
    The Pole was on the train, fell off the shelf, hit his head and now, right here, he "remembers" how the Russians were chasing a sonar!
  22. Private SA
    Private SA 9 January 2022 22: 28
    0
    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    oh, if not for the periscope
    .....that's right...

    "We are (all) live in yellow submarine".
    "The Beatles". 1966 year.
  23. Private SA
    Private SA 9 January 2022 23: 34
    +1
    Quote: impostor
    And vodka from the Finnish cordons

    No, these are Finns without Finns to us in Leningrad for "Liqueur and Vodka Tours" on buses and
    the express "Sibelius" went ...
  24. tolmachiev51
    tolmachiev51 10 January 2022 04: 37
    0
    - "the British deck helicopter" identified the Russian submarine by the periscope. "- however, apparently there was a portrait of Putin on it !!! ditched the trawl, and who is to blame !? - of course the Russians.
  25. Saladine
    Saladine 10 January 2022 06: 08
    -1
    And the pshekas, as always, need more than anyone else.
  26. Cypa
    Cypa 10 January 2022 07: 26
    0
    We all live in a yellow submarine
    Quote: Private SA
    Quote: Crimean partisan 1974
    oh, if not for the periscope
    .....that's right...

    "We are (all) live in yellow submarine".
    "The Beatles". 1966 year.
  27. Yuri Siritsky_2
    Yuri Siritsky_2 10 January 2022 13: 57
    0
    Well psheki as always know everything and try to throw shit.
  28. Alexey Lamonov
    Alexey Lamonov 11 January 2022 05: 25
    0
    What sirs are clairvoyants. Aki oracles of antiquity.
  29. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 12 January 2022 10: 13
    0
    Was it damaged or stolen?