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General Clarke at NATO's Atlantic Council: The Hague for Putin, chemical attack for Donbass

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The Americans were once quite negotiating with Milosevic. And for a long time his arrest seemed technically impossible. But it happened.

This informational stuffing, frankly unpleasant for our country, was made this Thursday, January 6th, by the Americans.

This event is definitely worth taking apart.

News


On Thursday, January 6th, another online session was held Atlantic Council... During this session, under the auspices of a part of the Council - the Eurasia Center, within the framework of the round table “Putin's ultimate goals in Ukraine”, an absolutely fantastic online dialogue took place, which in a completely strange way flew past the domestic media. Yes, and by foreign too, the only military man news the resource that marked this event is news section "US Naval Institute" (USNI - United States Naval Institute), a non-governmental organization that provides Americans with a public platform for discussing sensitive naval issues.

Within the framework of the "round table", a number of experts, attracted by the Atlantic Council to discuss the topic brought up in the title of the round table, spoke, including even Ukrainian ones.

But only one of the invitees is of real interest - retired general Wesley Clark, who commanded a NATO force during the war in Yugoslavia.

Clark is a military professional, he fought in Vietnam, was under fire, was wounded, has military awards, graduated from the ranger school, that is, he was personally a high-class fighter.

He was also a good staff officer and commander, and in a sense, even a military theorist. His track record includes independent leadership of the military campaign from the first to the last shot, which is a rarity today, and which puts him on a par with Norman Schwarzkopf, for example. Yes, it was an unequal war, but it was still a war. And a fighter, and a hero, and a staff officer, and a commander, and a commander - that's who Wesley Clarke is. It is not his fault that he did not get a strong opponent instead of Yugoslavia.

But Wesley Clark also has a dark side - it was he who tried to attack the Russian troops in 1999, having ordered the British General Michael Jackson to attack our paratroopers at the Kosovo airport in Pristina (Slatina) and knock them out of it. Jackson's phrase “I’m not going to start World War III because of you” became legendary, and Clarke became the “first swallow” in such a ubiquitous phenomenon today as American “stubbornness”, which has become such a striking hallmark of American politicians in recent years.

It is Clark's words that are of interest.

The link to the news is hereand those who read English may be interested in reading this piece of American propaganda.

For the rest, a short squeeze.

Clarke said the following - Vladimir Putin is allegedly an international criminal. The United States should conduct an information campaign against him in the world, which would ultimately make it impossible for European diplomats to communicate with Putin. And then Clarke says:

“We had our eye on Milosevic in 1999. In the end, he died under the influence of an international tribunal, as you know. "

And then he continued in the vein that, they say, here it is - the power of international law, and then literally:

"We have to play this card."

At one time, anti-Russian activists had many sharp jokes about the fact that Putin would graduate in The Hague, and the patriots tried to scare him with this, reproaching him for compromising with the West, and now this is what the retired American general Clarke is doing.

On the USNI website, performed by author John Grady (see link above), Clark's words are presented as follows:

"Russian President Vladimir Putin is an 'international criminal, and we need to make it clear' as much as the United States condemned Serbia's leader as being responsible for the bloody wars in the Balkans in the 1990s," said a former senior NATO commander on Thursday. " ...

"Screenshot":

General Clarke at NATO's Atlantic Council: The Hague for Putin, chemical attack for Donbass

And here we have the right to ask ourselves the question - what was it?

The Hague and the Overton Window


Clark is a professional and quite sane. Yes, this is a retirement, but this is an influential retirement, whom dem. the US party often uses - so everyone remembers his speech about "seven countries we must invade", which was a clear kick to the Bush administration. Clark, however, was hypocritical, because, hinting at the terrible plan of the Republicans to seize and destroy a number of states, starting with Iraq, Clark had nothing against the same actions against Yugoslavia, in which he was the main participant.

He cannot be considered a psycho or inadequate in the usual sense of these words. This person is sane and serious as much as his moral principles are terrible in relation to non-Americans. And you need to take it seriously.

USNI is a structure serving, among other things, American politics, but from the point of view of the development of the Navy. And this is a completely rationally operating structure, respected and widely known, with a good reputation in any circles in which only know about it.

The Atlantic Council, although not a government organization, is an organization created under NATO with the aim of coordinating actions and expanding mutual understanding between the elites of the United States and European NATO countries. That is, it is not just anyone.

But these are not official structures, not someone's Foreign Ministry, not the US State Department, but Wesley Clarke, formally, just a private person who made such a bold hint with the platforms provided by the Atlantic Council (recognized as an undesirable organization in Russia).

Thus, on the one hand, this is a significant statement, and is in no way an "empty phrase", and on the other hand, no claim can be made for it, especially in light of the fact that the similarity between Milosevic's real fate and Putin's possible fate was only made a hint, and no more.

But everyone understood everything.

Let's not pull the cat by the tail.

Such things, strange from the point of view of professionals from military service and politics, are probing the reaction and the beginning of giving such a prospect a real probability of taking place. In principle, everyone is familiar with the concept of "Overton Window" - a method of shifting the boundaries of what is permissible and unacceptable in the minds of people. Originally invented by Joseph Overton, this method has changed significantly and today can be described by the following diagram:


This is the process that Clarke started. It will be shown below that he most likely did not come up with it himself, but worked out the task set by someone, but that doesn't matter.

How might the shift of the "window" look like in relation to the fact that "Putin is a war criminal - we must conduct an information campaign against him - we did this with Milosevic - he died in prison"?

At the first stage, the unthinkable is voiced and becomes discussed. That is, now we can say that Clark is crazy (in fact, not), and the West cannot arrest Putin, since this is a 100% casus belli. Prior to that, the arrest of Putin was unthinkable and, therefore, unthinkable.

The step has been taken.

A little later, someone will lead the situation to the fact that Putin is actually a bad guy, and he should be arrested, but the issue with the consequences must be somehow resolved. So the topic will move on to a practical level. Milosevic was once also impossible to arrest.

And it is this process of shifting the framework of what is possible in the minds of the Western political community that was launched on January 6, 2022. This, of course, will be a slow process, since the task is simply titanic in scale.

So what? The task of overthrowing the USSR without a war was many times more difficult, but in the end it was solved.

However, the launch of the evolution of views in the West on the subject of placing Vladimir Vladimirovich in a Western prison with his subsequent death there (remember what said Clark), this is not the only "bomb" in this performance, and not the main one.

Chemical attack in Donbass.


More recently, S.K. Shoigu said that American PMCs are preparing a provocation in the Donbas with a chemical weapons... This news did not receive a resonance in the public environment, and was even ridiculed by anti-government skeptics.

Now, digress from the text on the USNI website and watch a video of the online roundtable of what General Clarke said, in addition to hints that Putin might end up like Milosevic. Watching the video.


Unfortunately, there is no written decryption, the site of the Atlantic Council in Russia is blocked, so we just watch and listen. In English, our people do not want to learn to speak in principle, even to the extent sufficient for interrogating a prisoner of war, so we translate from words. Here is a translation of Wesley Clark's words starting at 25:31.

“I want to tell you one more thing. Russians ... In Soviet military doctrine and Russian military doctrine, the use of chemical weapons is not a political decision, it is a military decision. So I am very concerned that in the case of Ukraine, in the event of a military action in Ukraine, we will see the use by Russia of a persistent or unstable [to disintegration] nerve agent ("agent") against the civilian population and against the defenders ... "

Like? It can be seen as a military professional Clark it is embarrassing to say such nonsense, he was already gagging in front of the camera, but, apparently, he asked someone whom he could not and would not refuse, in fact, therefore, about Putin the criminal, we can also assume that Clarke didn’t come up with it himself.

Everyone knows that no chemical weapons have been in the arsenal of the RF Armed Forces for a very long time, and that it is absolutely certain that Russia would not use any nerve gas against the civilian population of Donbass, as well as against anyone else, but for Western propaganda such accusations will come off completely, and the population in the west will swallow any lie, that is, any lie at all.

Thus, the Americans are throwing into the media the idea that Russia is preparing to use chemical weapons in the Donbas.
The question is why?

There is exactly one option - it will be used (with an imitation of this for the Russian army), and not as a "means against Russian aggression" (from the military and political side, it is obvious that there is no preparation for this), but as a justification for the military operation of Ukraine (its real owners) against Donbass.

At the same time, it is necessary to clearly understand that the issue of losses is of interest to organizers, but by no means from a normal human point of view, because the more victims, the higher the profit for the organizers.

The goal is to blame us later.

The likelihood of the use of chemical weapons will be especially high if Russia has to fend off a Ukrainian offensive against the republics.


Even if we assume that in fact they scare us so much (if you climb up, we'll poison some city and accuse you), then this still requires the Americans to be really ready for such actions, including in terms of the availability of chemical warfare agents. So they are ready.

And one should not think that this cannot be - quite recently they did it in Syria, one should not have a head at all so as not to remember about it.

Actually, Shoigu said about this chemical weapon on December 21 last year (link, video), just weakly focusing on "chemistry."

Here is another video, at the end he talks about it, along with other facts.


Now the Americans themselves have hinted at the same thing. If, for example, Zelensky starts an offensive in Donbass, and we try to stop it, the Americans will use poisonous substances (OM) on the "peacemaker" after which all the power of their propaganda will fall upon us, accusing us of this crime. There is simply no other way to interpret Wesley Clark's speech.

And by the way, after an attack on the civilian population with some nerve gas, V. Putin can be declared a war criminal without any problems. And, apparently, it will also be possible to issue an arrest warrant. Still, the accusation of mass murder of civilians in a foreign country with the help of chemical weapons is serious.

American chemical weapons.


It is widely known among specialists that the United States, unlike Russia, has not stopped research work on chemical weapons. The Americans are working on the so-called "binary" toxic substances, when the ammunition contains two harmless components, which form a poisonous substance only when mixed with each other.

This focus allows the Americans to hypocritically dismiss claims that, having assumed the obligation to destroy and not produce chemical weapons, they are actually continuing to deal with them. Their motivation is simple - our substances are not hazardous, they are not toxic substances, but what happens there during mixing is another matter.

For a long time, their problem was a poor "exit" - only a small part of the substances in the bomb or projectile reacted. But they have been working on it for decades, and, apparently, they have made some progress.

Now it is not known exactly at what stage these works are, there have been no tests of a binary bomb (BLU-80 / B Bigeye) for decades, at least those that would have been known, but there were no reports of the final closure of the program either. only about intentions. But we don't know everything.

Also, until 1999, binary toxic substances were used in the United States to carry out the death penalty in a gas chamber.

So the Americans have the opportunity to use chemical weapons.

True, the question remains as to how the binary gas will dock with Clark's statement about the nerve effect - what is obtained in the known versions of the mixtures at the outlet does not have a nerve effect. Perhaps Clarke voiced a "nerve agent" to evoke associations with the notorious "Novice", or perhaps our intelligence was mistaken about the "components." The United States still has nerve agents, unlike Russia, they did not destroy the chemical weapons that fell under the bans, they only plan to do it in 2023, and then in words.

In general, they have different options, including "surprises".

Conclusion


The risk of using chemical weapons against the Russian-speaking population of Donbass, preparation for such barbaric operations, and not somewhere in Syria, but right where people have Russian passports, should become a loud bell for domestic politicians. We still see Americans as just people, somewhat similar to us, with whom we can negotiate.

But let us ask ourselves the question - what are the real values ​​and moral guidelines of people capable of such things? Is it possible to negotiate with them, in principle, about anything? Maybe already some other methods of influence are needed?

A typical example of American honesty. You need to understand that these people did not become better.


However, our management is confident that it knows the answer. The consensus among the Russian elites is that “these” are civilized people, from whom it is necessary and sufficient to obtain some kind of “legal security guarantees”.
What are negotiations for?
With these, yes.
Negotiation.

With people who de facto threaten to kill innocent people, mostly civilians, with chemical weapons (Clark's words have no other explanation) and sincerely believe that this is an act of good and the victory of democracy over the evil totalitarian's and their criminal leader. Those who sincerely believe that it is good and correct to hit these Russians with nerve agents (or binary ones, anyway). Even civilians. Even for women and children. Those who sincerely believe that blaming a foreign leader for all this and then killing him is also good and correct. They really believe that it is good.

But they are still partners. We are civilized people and we decide everything through negotiations. And then again. And again. And again...
This means that the author will not draw any conclusions. Make them yourself.
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  1. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 10 January 2022 04: 18
    +18
    It is widely known among specialists that the United States, unlike Russia, has not stopped research work on chemical weapons.
    And why only in the "environment of specialists", why does not the same Putin start poking his "partners" into this fact on his direct lines? The question, of course, not to the author of the article, to the author, only words of gratitude for the identification, review and analytics!
    1. bistrov.
      bistrov. 10 January 2022 04: 35
      +69
      Quote: Vladimir_2U
      why is the same Putin

      Yes, finally, get rid of Putin: the salaries are small, Putin is to blame, the roads are bad, Putin, the roof is thin - Putin again ... Putin must define and implement a general, promising strategy of the state, with which he copes well, and not earn for your life and to clean your toilets ...
      Understand one thing, after the collapse of the USSR, Russia was too weak to dictate any conditions to the United States, they did what they wanted, they did what they wanted, they didn’t care about the words that should be supported by real forces, this time is coming only now, which we can see from Russia's actions in the international arena and this is entirely Putin's merit ..., hands will reach both poisonous gases and special laboratories ...
      1. Vladimir_2U
        Vladimir_2U 10 January 2022 05: 12
        +8
        Quote: bistrov.
        Yes, finally, get rid of Putin: the salaries are small, Putin is to blame, the roads are bad, Putin, the roof is thin - Putin again ...
        Well, OK, we got off, only if you read the article, you might have noticed that the question concerns SPECIFICALLY the life of the GDP.
        And why Putin, but because his words are heard in the world! Or do you rely on Solovyov and Simonyan? I will disappoint, the world does not give a damn about their words!
        1. Reptiloid
          Reptiloid 10 January 2022 07: 03
          +5
          In the last century, President Carter was hinted that people with famous names like the Kennedy assassin were arrested. Where he came to. After that, Carter stopped talking about reforms and withdrew his candidacy from the presidential candidates. A.I. Fursov in his story "The Secret of Rudolf Hess"
      2. Gardamir
        Gardamir 10 January 2022 06: 53
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        "Yes, finally, get rid of Putin: the salaries are small, Putin is to blame, the roads are bad, Putin, the roof is thin - Putin again ... Putin must define and implement a general, promising strategy of the state, which he copes with, and not making your living and cleaning your toilets ... "
        It's funny how Brezhnev handled all of the above. Stalin, both Nicholas, three Alexander, four Ivans ... But you left Putin some mythical responsibilities. How is the fight against sanctions in the international arena? And what is the international arena. And when will the hands reach?
        And yes, Mr. Bystrov, I am writing in advance so that you don’t translate the arrows later. You are the anti-Putin. From your words it is clear that Putin does not do anything and does not know how, but then, someday, maybe ...
        1. stels_07
          stels_07 10 January 2022 16: 31
          -5
          About all sorts of jokes, there is time to tell, but on chem. no weapons ?!
        2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 10 January 2022 20: 19
          +10
          Quote: Gardamir
          It's funny how Brezhnev handled all of your above. Stalin, both Nikolai, three Alexander, four Ivan ...

          you can clarify about the achievements of Nicholas II, and the reasons for the murder of the Romanov family.
          Thank you.
        3. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 11 January 2022 03: 17
          +7
          Already one of Nikolaev did so that it could not be worse ... And the other, too ... Under Aleksandra, in general, they traded their citizens like cattle ... How was it - "owned souls", right?
          I understand, I want to say something like that, from the couch ... But nothing smart, unfortunately
      3. AUL
        AUL 10 January 2022 07: 09
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        Quote: bistrov.
        .., hands will reach both poisonous gases and special laboratories ...
        But let's finish the crossing - and right away!
        1. astepanov
          astepanov 10 January 2022 17: 16
          +5
          By the way, among binary chemical ammunition, contrary to the opinion of the author, nerve agents similar to sarin prevail, obtained, for example, by mixing methylphosphonyl difluoride and a mixture of isopropyl alcohol and isopropylamine. So here the author was mistaken - but this is just an argument that strengthens his position.
          1. AUL
            AUL 10 January 2022 17: 56
            -5
            Quote: astepanov
            By the way, among binary chemical ammunition, contrary to the opinion of the author, nerve agents similar to sarin prevail, obtained, for example, by mixing methylphosphonyl difluoride and a mixture of isopropyl alcohol and isopropylamine.

            Is it possible in more detail? Where to get the ingredients? Do they go to household stores? And technology like using two pots and a garbage can in the kitchen could be done! wassat
      4. Nikon O'Conor
        Nikon O'Conor 10 January 2022 09: 49
        +9
        Understand one thing, after the collapse of the USSR, Russia was too weak to dictate any conditions to the United States,

        They now want Putin in The Hague. But no one thought about what would happen to The Hague when 40000 "Putin's infantrymen" arrive there, the next day, and this is not seeing the rest of a million of our RF Armed Forces.
        1. Cottodraton
          Cottodraton 11 January 2022 03: 19
          +5
          I think that in the event of a big war, there will be more than one of these millions.
      5. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 10 January 2022 14: 34
        +6
        I read the article. Noted a good selection of factual material. I am sure that all the actors really spoke out as the author wrote. But one phrase reduced, in my opinion, all the efforts of the author to zero. She sent it to an innumerable number of opuses, when the author, having chosen from thousands of statements of different people on different occasions, the necessary data for posing the right question, asks a question. Do you need to do something about this?... If someone wants his work not to turn into another entry in the Book of Complaints, it would be honest to remember that this book is called in full form a BOOK OF COMPLAINTS AND SUGGESTIONS. And if a well-thought-out and well-grounded proposal was not received, then there is essentially nothing to discuss. Well, the Overton window is working! You can't argue with that! And what to do?
        1. Boa kaa
          Boa kaa 10 January 2022 19: 52
          +9
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Well, the Overton window is working!
          The path from "reasonable" to "unthinkable" is a huge distance. And it is unlikely that he will be overpowered by the "retirees" (although the author claims that American "militarism" and financial imperialism in full growth are looming behind Clark's back). Why Winston, Sir Churchill, was a thoroughbred (Lord Marlborough, however!) And weight, and stately (live weight of 1,5 centners and political - OH-OH-OH !!! - After all, he was a prime minister in WWII !) took and drew up his plan, the INCREDIBLE, with all the ensuing horrors of the nuclear bombing of Soviet cities ... But, it didn't work out! Closed, however, the "window" in OVERTON'S WINDOW ... And the Red Army closed it.
          Yes, times have changed, but we can well "glaze" the North American United States (and at the same time the lawns of their tobaccos!). And the Baydauns and K *, as well as the "leaders of European states", are well aware of this. And the military (acting, and not being in insanity in retirement) - and even more so! This arithmetic is called - The ratio of the forces of the sides ... Yes, not some kind of thread, but C I C !!! (Do you smell, foe, BOGATYR STRENGTH!?)
          Therefore, there will be no The Hague ... CHINA is like a boil on the opera in the States! THIS is their nail in the boot, which, according to Mayakovsky, is NIGHTMARE than Goethe's fantasy! The Yankees will not pull the war on two fronts - they will not have enough power.
          And this is the whole trick. This is their limitation in the "overtone window". And there is no need to whip up militaristic hysteria so zealously ... Nowadays the people who have been bitten by a covid have no nerves to hell ... No matter how bad things turn out ... bully
          AHA.
    2. Alekseev
      Alekseev 10 January 2022 07: 00
      +16
      "... among specialists ..."
      Do they discuss the nonsense of specialists like this Clarke in too much detail?
      There were a lot of them, even some of them sighed from the windows, they say, "the Russians are coming"!
      Here their speeches are not so important, what is important is the ability of the Russian Federation to achieve nuclear parity and order in the country.
      1. Alexander I
        Alexander I 10 January 2022 11: 12
        +4
        Here is a really correct comment.
    3. Anachoret
      Anachoret 10 January 2022 10: 00
      +12
      This war criminal who calls himself General Clark contradicts himself))
      He talks about the supremacy of "international law" and further states how "the United States condemned the leader of another country"), which has nothing to do with international law)) but is only based on American "rules and orders" that arose in the era of a unipolar world) )
      Now the mattress general has to find out what "disappointment" is))
    4. Palmyra
      Palmyra 10 January 2022 12: 13
      +5
      "partners", for today, feel that their time is cornered. What happens when someone is cornered? All self-preservation instincts wake up. Here we clearly see one of them .. And there is no point in imitating them, descending to their level, or giving a hand for salvation ..
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    1. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 10 January 2022 05: 26
      +41
      You should be banned for aiding our sworn enemy.
      I saw enough of the American bombing in Belgrade, Iraq, Libya ... you did not see the horror of death after that ... heaps of black, burnt, bloated corpses ... some looked like in Dahl's painting ... the triumph of the devil over life.
      I’m not a supporter of Putin, but I would love to hit Clark in the forehead with a bullet in the forehead ... this war hawk deserves a deserved death.
      As for Milosevic ... it is his own fault that he fell for the false promises of the Americans ... and as a result he was killed in the Hague prison by simulating a heart attack ... now this is an elementary process ... you will not find any traces of chemistry.
      1. Serge-667
        Serge-667 10 January 2022 14: 57
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        I’m not a supporter of Putin, but I would love to hit Clark in the forehead with a bullet in the forehead ... this war hawk deserves a deserved death.

        For the sake of this idea, are you ready to expose the majority of the population of Russia to destruction?
        1. bk316
          bk316 10 January 2022 16: 53
          +12
          For the sake of this idea, are you ready to expose the majority of the population of Russia to destruction?

          Break away from your manuals already. Lech is not for the destruction of most of the population of Russia - he is for the preservation of its part, but more or less as things go. It's time to stop lying to you accomplices of the West (straight "enemies of the communists" turned out). The West wants to destroy the Russian people and our fatherland COMPLETELY. FULLY AGAIN FULLY. Therefore, any words about "millions will perish" is ..... yes, billions may perish, but this is not our choice - our choice is that not everyone would die, but the one who was responsible for these deaths answered.
          1. Serge-667
            Serge-667 10 January 2022 17: 30
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            Break away from your manuals ...
            The West wants to destroy the Russian people and our fatherland COMPLETELY. FULLY AGAIN FULLY. Therefore, any words about "millions will perish" is ..... yes, billions may perish, but this is not our choice - our choice is that not everyone would die, but the one who was responsible for these deaths answered.


            Vladimir, now you remind me of that Forrestal ...
            Take care of yourself and your mental health.
            1. bk316
              bk316 10 January 2022 18: 17
              +4
              Take care of yourself and your mental health.

              Shore. If you quote less nonsense that migrated from the voice of America in the 80s to the training manuals of 2000, it will be easier for me to protect it. Do you need to clarify what kind of nonsense are you talking about?
              1. Serge-667
                Serge-667 10 January 2022 19: 02
                -4
                If you quote less nonsense that migrated from the voice of America of the 80s to training manuals

                Yes. Clarify what and where you see in my comments.
                1. bk316
                  bk316 10 January 2022 19: 22
                  +6
                  These are the nonsense that I constantly see on the Internet in general and on VO in particular.

                  1. There will be no war with NATO because the capitalists are not at war with each other (the oligarchs will agree). Remember the First World War.

                  2. Our government, ministers and oligarchs, if they never answer about the United States, because their children study there. Remember how many oligarchs serve in the Strategic Missile Forces and how many of them are needed to strike back.

                  3. The third world will not be, no one is going to fight for destruction. Remember how many plans the United States had for World War III, although even then the answer would have been crushing. And remember how many times a war could start by accident.

                  4. You cannot provoke an aggressor, let their generals say anything, even about the Russian Federation, even about Putin, you must smile diplomatically in response, otherwise, God forbid ... Remember what Hitler's kindness led to.

                  5. It is impossible to mentally prepare to fight with peoples - only with states or authorities. Remember the slogan "kill the German", not a German capitalist or even a fascist, but a German.

                  6. It is better to sit and be silent in a rag, try to negotiate with NATO, well, or simply agree, because they are strong and can destroy millions of our citizens. And so, just think, they'll put Putin in The Hague, they'll send their "chief police officer", everything will be settled, well, they are civilized people. This item is especially for you. Think of the Indians.

                  7. They will definitely win, because the economy wins the war. Remember how many times in history the economy (then still real and not virtual as it is now in the West) lost.
                  1. Serge-667
                    Serge-667 10 January 2022 19: 30
                    -7
                    And what, exactly from this, did you see in MY comments? Can I have a proof? Or do you prefer to be known as a balabol?
                    Give a quote.
                    1. bk316
                      bk316 10 January 2022 19: 34
                      +7
                      I wrote the fifth point for you.
                      And negotiations and them can be conducted only in order to better prepare for war, that would be time to win. Therefore, Lech wrote correctly, although I usually disagree with him.

                      And yes, I answer specifically for you.
                      I would rather that I and my children were burned in an atomic fire together with the aggressor, than to see them mockingly tortured by these aggressors.

                      And the choice is exactly this: either to raise the probability (not to LOWER but to raise), albeit mutual, but destruction to such a level that all their military, politicians and electorate would understand that they would have to retreat. Or just be destroyed along with your homeland.
                      And the civilization of Europeans and Americans is just a husk that
                      easily flies off and has already fallen off under the influence of propaganda.
                      1. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 10 January 2022 19: 54
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                        Were you in the army? At least in the construction battalion?
                        Or do you prefer to burn in a fire sitting on the couch at the keyboard?
                      2. bk316
                        bk316 11 January 2022 17: 08
                        +3
                        Was in the Soviet. Cannon commander.
                      3. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 12 January 2022 15: 43
                        -5
                        All the more strange.
                        In the army, the main thing is to unquestioningly fulfill the Order, and not die. Nobody needs a dead fighter nafik.
                        And how to understand your
                        I would prefer that me and my children burned in an atomic fire
                        ?
                        You yourself said above:
                        The West wants to destroy the Russian people and our fatherland COMPLETELY.

                        Those. you are deliberately on the side of the West and by any convenient means prefer hurry to heaven, but they will still podrrkh?
                        So I will disappoint you. There is no heaven or hell.
                        There are only 20 million combat-ready population in the Russian Federation. This is a regular army and a military reserve.
                        Other 120 millions - children, old people and women.
                        Do you waste their lives so easily?
                        Have you forgotten the text of the Oath?
                        I want to fight - suitcase - station - PMC. Shoot at least.
                        And the country must live in peace and security. You, being in the army, I apologize, WHO did you protect and from WHAT?
                        Is it not from the war that these same 120 million?
                        Or did they not shoot from the cannon?
                        That you all see a military threat everywhere?
                        The West does not care about unleashing a war with Russia. They need the resources of the country and the governed government on its territory. And all these nuclear horror stories are fairy tales for the benefit of the poor.
                        This is the very last argument in solving the problems we face.
                      4. bk316
                        bk316 12 January 2022 16: 09
                        +1
                        In the army, the main thing is to unquestioningly fulfill the Order, and not die.

                        And the order sounded, already for very stupid civilians and "the order not a step back." Putin, however, clearly said: we were backed against the wall with our backs nowhere to retreat further and we will not.

                        The West does not care about unleashing a war with Russia.

                        Are you playing with the training manual again? see point 1. And also ask you to quote ... am
                        Do you know what an existential adversary is? The point is ALREADY not in the resources on our territory, the Russian Federation and the PRC are a direct threat to the hegemony of the United States. Strategically, from the point of view of the United States, either we are the PRC or both must be destroyed.

                        Do you waste their lives so easily?

                        Now read it and try to think a little.
                        And the choice is exactly this: either to raise the probability (not to LOWER but to raise), albeit mutual, but destruction to such a level that all their military, politicians and electorate would understand that they would have to retreat. Or just be destroyed along with your homeland.

                        I argue that if this is not done until the third world war, there are only a few years, if not months.
                        In order for them to strike a blow CONSCIOUSLY (not by chance), a consensus of the electorate, the elite and the military is needed. The electorate and the political elite have already convinced that the Russian Federation will not be able to respond as long as everything rests on their military. But to the military all over the world it is better to show than to tell.
                        So it is you, deliberately or out of bewilderment, lead us to destruction, shameful total destruction.
                      5. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 12 January 2022 17: 17
                        -5
                        Putin, however, clearly said: we were backed against the wall with our backs nowhere to retreat further and we will not.

                        It was Putin with his wonderful foreign policy that was pinned, not us.

                        The electorate and the political elite have already convinced that the Russian Federation will not be able to answer,

                        The foreign electorate is deeply against us against Russia and against militarism. Nobody winds them up from the word AT ALL.
                        It is only in our country that there is a drop dead brainwashing on the subject of a military threat.
                        And the NATO bloc is working on schedule.
                        You, on the other hand, are creating hysteria by streaming trends.
                      6. bk316
                        bk316 12 January 2022 17: 29
                        0
                        It was Putin with his wonderful foreign policy that was pinned, not us.

                        This is our policy, this is our Crimea. This is our Commander-in-Chief and our President. There is nothing more to talk about. With renegades separating themselves from the FOREIGN policy of the state, there has always been a short conversation, but with inagents it is generally pointless to talk.
                      7. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 12 January 2022 17: 51
                        -3
                        Well, fine. One thing is sad - the decline of Russian psychiatry.
            2. Cottodraton
              Cottodraton 11 January 2022 03: 21
              +2
              And you remind me of that very memorable Katz
              1. Serge-667
                Serge-667 11 January 2022 03: 43
                -9
                Have you already fled to the military registration and enlistment office? Have they asked to write you in the first row with Kalash? Or do you prefer to watch from the couch?
      2. srelock
        srelock 10 January 2022 16: 58
        -9
        As long as there is an opportunity to negotiate, they must be negotiated. The author's condemnation of this is a call to war.
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        You should be banned for aiding our sworn enemy.
        I've seen enough of the American bombing in Belgrade, Iraq, Libya ...
        I'm not a supporter of Putin, but I would love to hit Clark in the forehead with a bullet in the forehead ... this war hawk deserves a deserved death ...
        Looks like they looked badly so you want to kill.
        1. Serge-667
          Serge-667 10 January 2022 19: 25
          .
          Strange, but here the commentators have no common sense at all. Apparently, those gathered who did not hold weapons in their hands.
  3. Borisych
    Borisych 10 January 2022 05: 46
    +12
    This Clark has one foot already there. In insanity. Concussion is an insidious thing and Putin is to blame for it. And chemical weapons should be tried. On Clark. And to be honest, this pontagon is cheap.
  4. Tank jacket
    Tank jacket 10 January 2022 06: 08
    +29
    Why do we need such a world in which there will be no Russia? (With)
    1. nikvic46
      nikvic46 10 January 2022 06: 59
      -1
      Ruslan. Best regards to you. Do not speak only for a catchphrase. All the more this is stupidity. Russia was, is and will be. But what it is to be largely depends on us. It is necessary to affirm with a word, but destroy.
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 10 January 2022 07: 58
        +21
        And where did you get the idea that only for a catchphrase? This is the position, these words are also the Overton window. Let them get used to (up to the stage of "the current norm") to the new great Russia.
        Sincerely.
        1. nikvic46
          nikvic46 10 January 2022 08: 25
          .
          Ruslan. Explain what the current norm is. I am suspicious of norms in civil life. And what is "great Russia."
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 10 January 2022 08: 52
            +9
            The chairman of the US Joint Chiefs of Staff warned that peace between the great powers was "crumbling."

            General Mark Milli recommended that urgent measures be taken to improve relations with Russia and China and prevent a new "war of the great powers."
    2. Stils
      Stils 10 January 2022 10: 36
      .
      Quote: Tank jacket
      Why do we need such a world in which there will be no Russia? (With)

      If there is no Russia, the world will not automatically cease to exist and will not burn up in a nuclear fire. Arsenal is not the same now.
      Therefore, "why do we need" is very presumptuous and deceitful. "In paradise" no matter "why".
      1. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 10 January 2022 10: 45
        +1
        What is shown in the picture?
        1. Stils
          Stils 10 January 2022 10: 56
          -9
          Quote: Tank jacket
          What is shown in the picture?

          Instead of posting pictures, re-read the articles of the same Timokhin about "glazing", etc., other authors, and if you have critical thinking, turn on your brain, and do not get fooled by cheap propaganda.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 10 January 2022 11: 04
            +4
            Test failed ... This robot is broken. Carry the next robot.
      2. Tank jacket
        Tank jacket 10 January 2022 11: 29
        +9
        Quote: Stils
        Quote: Tank jacket
        Why do we need such a world in which there will be no Russia? (With)

        If there is no Russia, the world will not automatically cease to exist and will not burn up in a nuclear fire. Arsenal is not the same now.
        Therefore, "why do we need" is very presumptuous and deceitful. "In paradise" no matter "why".

        Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 280.1. Public calls for actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.
        ------
        Especially for liquid terminators with Russophobic firmware ...
        1. Stils
          Stils 10 January 2022 11: 41
          .
          Quote: Tank jacket
          Quote: Stils
          Quote: Tank jacket
          Why do we need such a world in which there will be no Russia? (With)

          If there is no Russia, the world will not automatically cease to exist and will not burn up in a nuclear fire. Arsenal is not the same now.
          Therefore, "why do we need" is very presumptuous and deceitful. "In paradise" no matter "why".

          Criminal Code of the Russian Federation Article 280.1. Public calls for actions aimed at violating the territorial integrity of the Russian Federation.
          ------
          Especially for liquid terminators with Russophobic firmware ...

          You messed something up, prosecutor lol
          There are no calls, but there is analysis from publicly available data, which suggests that in the event of an attack on the Russian Federation with the use of nuclear weapons, any retaliatory strike will not bring consequences after which the world will disappear or it will not exist.
          1. Tank jacket
            Tank jacket 10 January 2022 11: 47
            +9
            Once again, for liquid, the question was not "if" but "why"?
            Why do we need a world in which terminators indulge in the tail? We don't need such a world ... And this is the Overton window. What stage of windows are you in now?
            1. Stils
              Stils 10 January 2022 12: 27
              .
              Quote: Tank jacket
              Once again, for liquid, the question was not "if" but "why"?
              Why do we need a world in which terminators indulge in the tail? We don't need such a world ... And this is the Overton window. What stage of windows are you in now?

              What you write is clear only to you.
              And you are not in the subject.
              It was about a counter-strike from the Russian Federation. And this phrase "why do we need such a world if there is no Russia in it?" it (this blow) justified.
              It was about the fact that after this blow the world will cease to exist for Russia and the Russians (why do we need it). The point is not that the world will cease to exist in principle. Yes, a catastrophe, yes a global one, but the enemy may not disappear, that's bad luck.
              1. VORON538
                VORON538 10 January 2022 15: 21
                +6
                The decision-making centers will disappear, the inhabitants of Africa and the island states in the Pacific Ocean will generally do not care, as will the penguins in Antarctica. hi
      3. VORON538
        VORON538 10 January 2022 15: 19
        +1
        No matter how hard you try, Russia will live, and all your efforts will be pointless. hi To run with a machine gun, not click on the keyboard. So continue to fight, the main thing is to replace the sofa, otherwise they have pushed through. hi
  5. riwas
    riwas 10 January 2022 06: 20
    +14
    Saltykov-Shchedrin's "History of a City" had a mayor who, instead of brains, had a barrel organ ("organ") strumming two words-shouts: "I'll ruin!" and "I will not tolerate!" Well poured out the current Western politicians.
  6. shinobi
    shinobi 10 January 2022 06: 21
    +5
    Nonsense of a gray mare. The general has worked out his pension. Russia is not Syria, no one will launch a missile strike on it. So this is a throw-in of pure water and treated it like nothing. All the more, the GDP made it clear how the military adventure against the Donbas for the skakuas would end. ...
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 10 January 2022 07: 02
      +2
      Quote: shinobi
      how the military adventure against the Donbas will end for skakuas.

      Who cares about the fate of the Skakuas? Nobody.
      Worry about the consequences for everyone else.
      And for the Americans, the victory will simply be the very fact of the war.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 10 January 2022 20: 24
        +2
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        for Americans, victory will simply be the fact of the war.

        Rather, for the ANGLOS-SAXES !!! These creatures sleep and see how we shit. And this is chronic for them - from the era of Ivan Vasilyevich, the Terrible! Then there was no criminal trash collected on the lands of the Indians ... and anger against the Slavs-Rus was already seething in the skulls of the islanders of Foggy Albion ...
        (This is not a therapist, here a vivisector surgeon is needed !!! (c) am
        AHA.
      2. shinobi
        shinobi 11 January 2022 06: 05
        +4
        They are satisfied with the constant tension on the borders with Russia. The "Fire Loop" plan was not invented yesterday, by people who are much smarter than the current ruling US. "Color Revolutions" are just one of the tools of this plan. Skakuas now simply do not have the resource for a long war, especially against Russia. Actually, there is no such resource on the continent except China. Therefore, the Yankees are now in complete disarray, the plan has ceased to work. In Belarus, the turmoil was promptly crushed, in Kazakhstan, they will be suppressed. The Yankee ultimatum was not put forward in vain. Either you accept it, sit down and agree . Or no. And then we don't care about the opinion of the West and the United States in particular. For the Skakuas, however, this does not change anything. They are outside the brackets. Actually, like the opinion of the West.
  7. Tagan
    Tagan 10 January 2022 06: 22
    -7
    Putin in The Hague. Eh ... Holidays continue.
  8. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 10 January 2022 06: 32
    +6
    The author has been describing binary ammunition for too long, for some reason ...
    In fact, everything is much simpler, and was already used in the same Ukraine.
    Each "pump station" has a supply of chlorine, you just need to choose the weather so that the wind blows in the right direction ...
    1. Bolt cutter
      Bolt cutter 10 January 2022 14: 42
      +3
      It will not work to create a lethal (and even simply harmful) concentration of chlorine by this method - a hundred water pumps need to be gutted for this.
      Also, until 1999, binary toxic substances were used in the United States to carry out the death penalty in a gas chamber.
      Which ones? Potassium / sodium cyanide and strong acid (sulfuric) were used, while mixing the chamber was filled with free hydrogen cyanide. Binary OVs - as a rule, mean nerve-paralytic organophosphates.
  9. Alexey Lamonov
    Alexey Lamonov 10 January 2022 06: 45
    +14
    The United States has not yet destroyed its stocks of chemical weapons, although it has undertaken obligations to comply with the international convention on the destruction of chemical weapons. Again you were lying.
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 10 January 2022 15: 17
      .
      Russia destroyed its stocks in 2017. Ahead of schedule.
      In the USA, almost everything was destroyed (98%). The process continues and will end as planned in 2023.
      1. Alexey Lamonov
        Alexey Lamonov 10 January 2022 15: 21
        +5
        No such data.
        1. Alexey Lamonov
          Alexey Lamonov 10 January 2022 15: 27
          +9
          Disconnecting warheads with OF from carriers and storing them does not mean destroying chemical weapons.
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 10 January 2022 16: 31
            -6
            This is precisely about destruction.
            Already in 2012, the Americans destroyed 90% of chemical weapons by incineration.
            Then environmentalists banned them from this method. It was necessary to build 2 plants for the elimination of mustard gas and the remainder of nerve gas by chemical methods.
            (each in his own factory).
            So there was a pause. Destruction is underway according to plan. Until December 2023.
            1. Cosmemedic
              Cosmemedic 10 January 2022 21: 14
              +5
              It's always nice to hear the truth from a select few. I listen to everything, I listen to how the media controlled by your diaspora are the most Russophobic and deceitful and something does not grow together)))
    2. Avior
      Avior 10 January 2022 17: 49
      -7
      No country has been able to destroy chemical weapons stockpiles within the timeframe specified by the convention.
      This should have happened in 2012 at the most.
      In fact, Russia completed the destruction in 2017, the United States will destroy the remaining 10 percent by 2023.
      1. Cosmemedic
        Cosmemedic 10 January 2022 21: 08
        +1
        Oh, thank you, but the men don't even know))) did the news arrive?
        Or training manual)))
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 January 2022 06: 48
    +13
    First and last, General Wesley Clark, at his 77 years old, is still fighting in Yugoslavia in his senile brains, and for such an idiot, almost the world has not begun.
  11. The popuas
    The popuas 10 January 2022 07: 04
    0
    By the way, Mr. Timokhin writes ... a fantastic on-line dialogue, which in a completely strange way flew past the domestic media. And by foreign too, the only military news resource that noted this event is the news section of the US Naval Institute (USNI - United States Naval Institute) .... so Mr. Timokhin, a question for you ... why are you began to replicate it ...? ... It was this process that Clarke started. It will be shown below that he most likely did not come up with it himself, but worked out the task set by someone, but it doesn't matter. And you, Mr. Timokhin ... whose task are you doing? ... or are you foolishly doing it? open the overton window?
    1. Serge-667
      Serge-667 10 January 2022 15: 16
      -4
      Good question!
      I, too, always wonder how they make an inflatable elephant out of inconspicuous things and then rush with it. Who needs it? What distracts it from? What are the consequences veiled?
      And then a very interesting topic emerges))
  12. nikvic46
    nikvic46 10 January 2022 07: 05
    +3
    When a nuclear bomb was tested in America, homegrown dwarfs, imagining themselves as celestials, came up with the name "Doomsday". And even created "Doomsday Clock". I was very surprised when I found out which we have a "Doomsday" plane. to be different from the Americans, we need to arrange our policies and our lives.
  13. Gardamir
    Gardamir 10 January 2022 07: 07
    +6
    And the Russian president needs to more consistently defend the interests of his country. Why be ashamed. The sanctions have already been imposed, they are scaring the Hague, so to annex Donbass to Russia, even more so, even the troops do not need to be introduced.
    1. Serge-667
      Serge-667 10 January 2022 15: 28
      0
      Time is hopelessly lost. This should have been done in 2014. Do not pull the cat by the tail, but do it.
      Yanukovych could boldly "ask for military help", and not to Rostov to shed like a mouse from the dinner table. But here's the problem. When business and the elite are at the fore, we will always be in a puddle. The patriotic card has depreciated nowhere below. Now it is really a refuge for villains and idiots.
  14. grassyknollgunner
    grassyknollgunner 10 January 2022 07: 51
    +4
    They can. These scum can. The only problem for them is that this time they will not be able to use the OPCW for their own purposes due to the recent scandal when a group of OPCW inspectors working in Syria criticized the final report on the incidents in Douma and Khan Sheikhoun.

    And generally speaking, I would advise Putin to travel less around the world, because he can be banged. Time is hectic right now ...
  15. Lykases1
    Lykases1 10 January 2022 08: 09
    +17
    Putin is good or bad, but he is our President and Supreme Commander. I doubt that you can do the same with us as in Yugoslavia. The nuclear arsenal will not allow it.
  16. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 10 January 2022 09: 28
    -6
    After reading this article, I wanted to go to paradise "And what kind of paradise can there be if there are no worms, mosquitoes and midges in it ?!" you throw it, but you tap on the battery, so that our enemies, in the boilers in hell, behave more quietly. wink
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  17. know
    know 10 January 2022 09: 42
    +11
    They beat those who allow themselves to be beaten. Putin immediately took an indistinct position, mumbled something about "partners", did not respond to sanctions, substituted his cheeks and other parts of his body. If in 2014 he acted as tough as in South Ossetia in 2008, showing his readiness to defend Russia's interests even at the cost of breaking off relations with the West, everything would have calmed down long ago. They would have swallowed it, as they had swallowed in their time a military operation to enforce peace in Georgia.
  18. Stils
    Stils 10 January 2022 09: 44
    +1
    The author seized on the words of the old warrior and extrapolated them into real actions of the "deep state" of the United States. The conspiracy is a good thing)).
    Comparing Milosevic in ruined Yugoslavia and Putin with the powerful nuclear arsenal of the Russian Federation is also not entirely correct, to put it mildly.
    1. timokhin-aa
      10 January 2022 17: 10
      +4
      And nothing that Shoigu also warned about chemistry?
  19. prior
    prior 10 January 2022 09: 56
    +6
    To prevent Putin from getting to The Hague, there should be no Hague.
    A funnel filled with radioactive slurry is a worthy future for the place where Milosevic was killed, where they are trying to blame Russia for the death of the Malaysian Boeing.
    1. Alex_You
      Alex_You 11 January 2022 12: 45
      +1
      You shouldn't be so, a beautiful city.
      1. prior
        prior 11 January 2022 13: 13
        0
        It is on the ruins of a beautiful city that the West will finally reach:
        "We shouldn't have invited Putin to The Hague ...."
  20. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 10 January 2022 10: 02
    +7
    We still see Americans as just people, somewhat similar to us, with whom we can negotiate.

    ... But are they really people? No one will believe
    When meeting with a beast dressed in uniforms. They do not eat like people - like animals, they swallow fresh raw pork.
    Their habits are not at all human ...
    Bury civilians alive,
    For the fact that the guise is not the same with you.
    Not! You're lying! Someone else was given a name!
    Nobody considers you people for a long time ... (K. Simonov)
    The Western world is as it is.
  21. Vissarion Golubov
    Vissarion Golubov 10 January 2022 10: 07
    -1
    By February 23, conduct a joint command post exercise with the PLA and the PRC Navy. According to the order of interaction of the Strategic Missile Forces, SA, early warning systems, nuclear forces of the Navy with the relevant structures of China during the period of threat. And everything will fall into place ...
  22. APASUS
    APASUS 10 January 2022 10: 36
    +7
    It means that there is no need to wait, Putin should once again be reminded that the Americans have chemical weapons and they will be used by the Americans. We are always making excuses, it's time to go on the offensive through the media
    1. culinary
      culinary 10 January 2022 17: 27
      +1
      Quote: APASUS
      It means that there is no need to wait, Putin should once again be reminded that the Americans have chemical weapons and they will be used by the Americans. We are always making excuses, it's time to go on the offensive through the media

      The problem is that they don't read Russian in the West. So leave the slogans behind.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 11 January 2022 08: 03
        0
        Quote: kulinar
        The problem is that they don't read Russian in the West.

        Putin's words are enough, he will be translated even into the language of the tribe yum yum
  23. Evgeny Ivanov_5
    Evgeny Ivanov_5 10 January 2022 10: 48
    0
    I read the comments and do not understand. Some drown why Putin is inactive and does not save himself by doing something, and he is to blame for this. Others accuse him of leaking roof and not cleaning the garbage near the entrance. And Stalin cleaned up. I don’t understand. What do you want at all? Do you need to tryndet that life is bad? Then, it's OK. Don't like Putin? Find a replacement and bring him to power, then the roof will be repaired and the debris will be removed. Probably he will clean it himself. You can not? Then look to the states and windows of Overton.
    In general, the dialogue resembles the Russian intellectual position. Step aside and watch what will happen, talking about the suffering of the people and wiping away a stingy tear.
    And also read the constitution on the separation of powers between the branches of government. And do not write me the answers. I don't read them.
  24. Arc grem
    Arc grem 10 January 2022 11: 23
    .
    the master of the Kremlin does not command respect ... the main thing is to be afraid ...
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 January 2022 21: 17
      +1
      Quote: Arc Grem
      .5000 nuclear warheads at no hukhry-muhry

      You are mistaken, dear! Quite recently there were 8200, and now, they say, there are 7500 left ... That is why the amas whine ...
      So, bad luck happened to you, however ...
      AHA.
  25. Siegfried
    Siegfried 10 January 2022 11: 52
    +3
    The United States would have been able to hit Putin in this form if the whole world was under their cap, and Russia alone was still resisting and, in general, would have been a country at the level of '95. It’s not like that now.
    The use of chemical weapons in Donbas as a provocation is a very dangerous move. Very dangerous. They may really not believe in Russia's involvement (the Europeans and the Americans themselves) and it turns out that it was the United States who used chemical weapons in Europe to force the Europeans to act against Russia so wildly. Yes, if the Europeans wanted to act, they would agree with any pretext, there would be no need for chemical weapons. But they don't want to. Now in Ukraine there is a whole army of European agents who are trying to prevent the Ukrainian (and Anglo-Saxon) provocation.
    1. Serge-667
      Serge-667 10 January 2022 15: 37
      +3
      Yes, if the Europeans wanted to speak, they would agree with any pretext ...

      They have already set out, wake up!
      Everyone who was previously neutral rushed sharply towards NATO, yelling "we ourselves decide to join or not to join," Putin will not rule Sweden, "etc.
  26. engineer74
    engineer74 10 January 2022 12: 13
    +2
    What is too long a path to the 3rd world "partners" have chosen ... recourse
    IMHO
  27. gridasov
    gridasov 10 January 2022 12: 35
    0
    If we introduce some fundamental parameter into the analysis of any simulation of situations, then any forecasting becomes meaningless. Remains what? There remains the reality and the real position of the forces that the opponents have at their disposal. Therefore, Clark's provocations are a standard element of the test for the ability to think accurately and clearly and not to lose the systemic development guidelines in any situations. The Americans have a permanent advantage in the fact that they lead military operations outside their territories. Therefore, it is necessary to level and balance this circumstance.
  28. yuriy55
    yuriy55 10 January 2022 12: 50
    -2
    What a strange "unexpected" situation. We all strove to make the right choice between shame and war ...
    It remains to find out between whom and whom Putin will choose today ...
  29. DED_peer_DED
    DED_peer_DED 10 January 2022 12: 56
    -2
    Frightened by the arrest of Putin ...
    "We have these Putin, just heaps ..." (c)
    Well, one will be arrested, and on the same day Russian TV will show that a dummy was arrested, and will demonstrate the real one, who will tell how he conducted the amers laughing
    A mustache.
  30. Conjurer
    Conjurer 10 January 2022 13: 27
    +3
    Overton Window ... The question is always about physical strength. If a country has enough power to make the elites of other countries fear for their lives, Clark will quickly end up in a psychiatric hospital for his “just words of a retired military man,” moreover, by the hands of the elite of his own country.
    That is, it is clear what you need to work on so that different clarks do not talk too much.
  31. Special opinion
    Special opinion 10 January 2022 13: 30
    -7
    Of course, I know that everything has a price, but I did not expect that the cost of intervention in Kazakhstan for Putin personally would be so high.
  32. tank64rus
    tank64rus 10 January 2022 13: 40
    +1
    "The United States still has nerve agents, unlike Russia, they have not destroyed the chemical weapons that were banned, they only plan to do it in 2023, and then in words." One question is why in the Russian Federation they continued to destroy chemical weapons by fire, when the Americans already did not give a damn about the contract and the timing of its implementation. They destroyed all emergency ammunition, leaving 30% of their CW stockpiled. And during this time, two schools of the RHBZ were dispersed, and the Academy of the RHBZ Serdyukov and Co. was transferred to Kostroma. Well, as for binars, they did not stop and will not stop working.
    1. timokhin-aa
      10 January 2022 15: 28
      +2
      Chemical weapons are practically useless from a military point of view, but dangerous to civilians. It makes no sense, it does not justify itself.
  33. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 10 January 2022 13: 45
    +2
    The path to the window, trodden by James Forrestal, and the slogan "The Russians are Coming" are free. It would be nice to know a little in advance in order to look at it from below, from the pavement, as it will float in the air. I would wait for him downstairs with a bottle of Russian vodka.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 January 2022 21: 28
      +2
      Quote: Siberian-1
      I would wait for him downstairs with a bottle of Russian vodka.

      Really decided to carry out the "ablution" !? belay
      FACT CORPSE DOESN'T DRINK VODKA !!! laughing
      And for the rest of this - clarke - I definitely would not!
      This butcher in HELL, in a frying pan, is prescribed to fry until the end of the century! am
  34. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 10 January 2022 13: 53
    +4
    Quote: tank64rus
    "The United States still has nerve agents, unlike Russia, they have not destroyed the chemical weapons that were banned, they only plan to do it in 2023, and then in words." One question is why in the Russian Federation they continued to destroy chemical weapons by fire, when the Americans already did not give a damn about the contract and the timing of its implementation. They destroyed all emergency ammunition, leaving 30% of their CW stockpiled. And during this time, two schools of the RHBZ were dispersed, and the Academy of the RHBZ Serdyukov and Co. was transferred to Kostroma. Well, as for binars, they did not stop and will not stop working.

    I can tell you right now why we have destroyed our chemical poison weapons. I live 12 kilometers from one such gigantic warehouse (already destroyed and cleared of the traces of the presence of this weapon). Live near. And to live on the other end of the Earth, where, if anything, you still need to deliver it and disperse it over the territory. And it is here, next to me. The slightest sabotage, an accident, and our Penza region will be written off. It's somehow uncomfortable. It is uncomfortable to have a lake near by, in which there are no fish, no frogs, There is no vegetation on the shore, but there is a leaky container dropped into it from shells and bombs, "carefully" written off property. Warehouses on their own territory, I think, are more dangerous for those who have these warehouses than for those to whom they are intended. We now feel more secure than in the past. And there were probably a lot of such warehouses on the territory of the USSR. And I think that in the distance, in the deserted taiga, desert, in the mountains, where the accident would have passed without consequences, for people, no one has such warehouses.
  35. Dmitry_7
    Dmitry_7 10 January 2022 17: 57
    -2
    In English, our people do not want to learn to speak in principle, even in the amount sufficient for interrogating a prisoner of war

    It is what it is! It's easier for us to teach an alien in our own way to talk, which, by the way, is in vain laughing
    But regarding chemical weapons, made in yusa: are shells with white phosphorus something else? El Fallujah, Donbass remember them well. What can be done in this situation?
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 10 January 2022 21: 35
      +1
      Quote: Dmitry_7
      and shells with white phosphorus are something else?
      AHA. This is an incendiary weapon ... like napalm, electron and other substances ...
  36. Avior
    Avior 10 January 2022 18: 44
    +2
    The Americans are working on the so-called "binary" toxic substances, when the ammunition contains two harmless components, which form a poisonous substance only when mixed with each other.

    This focus allows the Americans to hypocritically dismiss claims that, having assumed the obligation to destroy and not produce chemical weapons, they are actually continuing to deal with them. Their motivation is simple - our substances are not hazardous, they are not toxic substances, but what happens there during mixing is another matter.

    In general, binary chemical munitions are prohibited by the CWC, as are their constituents and precursors.
    For example
    One of the variants of this type of weapon was the American M687 artillery shell. Its two chambers, separated by a partition, contain methylphosphonyldifluoride (military name DF, CWC Schedule 1) and a mixture of isopropyl alcohol and isopropylamine known as OPA.

    Substances from the list one are prohibited to have in an amount of more than 1 ton
  37. anjey
    anjey 10 January 2022 18: 58
    0
    So they are trying in Geneva, to the "frostbitten and pompous Yankees" for the last time to convey that the second Yugoslavia will no longer be in the zone of Russian influence, nowhere. Kazakhstan is a fresh example to all Clarks behind a puddle. laughing
  38. Cosmemedic
    Cosmemedic 10 January 2022 20: 48
    +1
    Maybe everyone already understands that it is necessary to move away from the West not only geographically, but also politically and even economically?))))
  39. nov_tech.vrn
    nov_tech.vrn 10 January 2022 20: 57
    0
    Interestingly, many brave American generals at one time received manduli as part of the American army in Vietnam, and distinguished themselves by tearing to pieces some Libya or Serbia, taking advantage of the multiple advantages and services of the fifth column
  40. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 10 January 2022 21: 09
    -2
    Quote: Serge-667
    Strange, but here the commentators have no common sense at all. Apparently, those gathered who did not hold weapons in their hands.

    It seems like ...
  41. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 10 January 2022 21: 15
    -2
    Quote: Serge-667
    Good question!
    I, too, always wonder how they make an inflatable elephant out of inconspicuous things and then rush with it. Who needs it? What distracts it from? What are the consequences veiled?
    And then a very interesting topic emerges))

    You mean that everyone should, regardless of anything, rally in a single impulse around you, you know who ?!
  42. skeptic
    skeptic 10 January 2022 22: 10
    +2
    There is only one way out - to put the use of chemical weapons on an equal use of nuclear weapons. If the United States (which did not destroy its chemical weapons), through the mouth of its representative, tries to frame Russia, then it should be considered as a declaration of war. When facts of the use of chemical weapons appear, Russia must respond to all decision-making places.
    Only such a wording will be able to sober up the Naglosaks.
  43. viktor_47
    viktor_47 10 January 2022 22: 25
    +2
    "We still see Americans as just people, somewhat similar to us, with whom we can negotiate."
    There is a suspicion that whoever "still sees this way" works for them.
  44. BMP-2
    BMP-2 10 January 2022 22: 35
    +1
    If Clark is "sane" - then making such statements he himself is a criminal, and he himself should be in The Hague under the article for terrorism.
  45. silver_roman
    silver_roman 10 January 2022 23: 33
    +2
    Let's assume, what are our options?
    In a situation where we are threatened with such, we need to make the enemy afraid, which means we need to show them the prospect of something that will really frighten them. But what could it be? Rockets in Cuba? hardly .... we need a situation that will instill not fear of a nuclear strike, but much more unthinkable horror. And I can't even imagine.
    Perhaps you need to show yourself as scumbags. a one-time action in several places with the elimination of certain groups of the US population, maybe tourists, sabotage at US industrial enterprises, nuclear power plants, hydroelectric power plants, etc. It is clear that there is a threat of such retaliatory actions. Isn't the use of a chemical warfare agent on civilians a rigid inflection point? First of all, I will be honest with myself: for me, even one child or a Russian family is more valuable than a thousand such families in the United States. And probably, in order to compete with these antichrests, you also need to become the same to some extent. Although I may be wrong. This is difficult. It looks like a bluff and maybe the tau should take it, but at the same time have options in case it comes true.
    1. tone
      tone 11 January 2022 13: 06
      0
      Bombanut in Voronezh?
  46. Lonely loner
    Lonely loner 11 January 2022 08: 50
    0
    Rather, Amov's preziki will hang on poles.
  47. Jose
    Jose 11 January 2022 11: 04
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    It was not the United States or NATO that brought down the USSR without aoina, but the very top of the CPSU, the Komsomol and other authorities. Yes, led by Gorbachev, Yeltsin, Yakovlev, Shevardnadze and others and others.
  48. tone
    tone 11 January 2022 13: 05
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    Aleksandir, will it be so bad for all of us and for Russia if we end up like Serbia after our war? Putin on the bunk like Milosevic? Is Russia as Serbia a normal European country?
    1. timokhin-aa
      11 January 2022 13: 08
      +2
      One friend of mine always says in this case: "and do not forget to wash your wife before the arrival of the Masters."

      To each his own.
      1. tone
        tone 11 January 2022 13: 17
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        And that the Americans are now masters in Serbia? I understand you are doing your stuffing in order to shunanut our power-holders to open their eyelids to their masters, but I assure their course will not change. How many years have you and Klimov been hitting this wall? A lot of positive things? A burnt corvette and a ditched aircraft carrier.
  49. tone
    tone 11 January 2022 14: 48
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    Quote: tone
    And that the Americans are now masters in Serbia? I understand you are doing your stuffing in order to scare our power-holders to open their eyelids to their masters, but I assure their course will not change. How many years have you and Klimov been hitting this wall? A lot of positive things? A burnt corvette and a ditched aircraft carrier.
  50. tone
    tone 11 January 2022 14: 48
    0
    And that the Americans are now masters in Serbia? I understand you are doing your stuffing in order to scare our power-holders to open their eyelids to their masters, but I assure their course will not change. How many years have you and Klimov been hitting this wall? A lot of positive things? A burnt corvette and a ditched aircraft carrier.