Private military companies may appear in Russia

Private military companies may appear in Russia. Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin announced this today at a meeting of the Military Industrial Commission / MIC / under the government of the Russian Federation.

“Today we are considering the issue of forming an interdepartmental working group on the problem of creating private military companies in the Russian Federation (PMCs),” Rogozin said. One of the tasks of the working group, he continued, "will be the preparation of private business initiatives in the field of defense and security," as well as an assessment of the main trends of the world market.

As for the expediency of creating PMCs in Russia, then, according to Rogozin, this is a difficult question and a discussion will be held on this matter. In any case, “we will make a step in this direction,” he noted.

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[ShturmKGB]

Something like a Foreign Legion in France or an arms company? You can try it, but is it necessary? ...

[Retx]

American Blackwater as an example. In our country, there are many military, reserve officers and those who have been reduced. This is a huge human arsenal that can be used for profitable purposes.

[itr]

Retx can be used for profitable purposes You asked people ??? what are their goals

[Hey]

Such people have one goal - to make money.

[edge]

don’t say, money is not the main component ........ I begin to remember English in order to beat the enemy on its territory

[Mikhalych82]

This is a huge human arsenal that can be used for profitable purposes.
Question: Beneficial to whom?
It seems to me that the oligarchs will legally create mini-armies for themselves to solve their own problems! Gentlemen-businessmen cover their fat rear!

[Retx]

Better than regular army

[kopcep]

Oh yeah! Long live the feudal fragmentation of Russia! Why do we need a regular army, which is designed to protect the interests of the majority of the country's population (provided that the center of the country is adequate)? Come on her! You still have to serve there. Let those fools who want to fight ... But those are not at all so stupid people to put their lives for money. They will not miss their "pretty penny" for their dirty work, but when it smells fried, the principle "We don't get paid for this. I'm not going to die here!" And the mercenaries always protect money. And who has money in our country? Suddenly, they find themselves in the hands of the oligarchs. And where do our oligarchs keep their loot and whose production do they buy? Suddenly in the west. So whose interests will the PMC, VASYA, protect? Probably ours with you? Or are you not Vasya at all, but some Wasserman?

[Retx]

Let there not be PMCs, they will start shooting at the money of these oligarchs, they will send conscripts.
Let the children die, because we have a regular army for any purpose!

[kopcep]

Here let them shoot their money. And then they snickered a little, and they even want to get hold of their army (you never know what can happen in our mind that is not clear). But if our center was healthy, then for a long time they would shoot them for money (and not only) and keep their own army for that money (the service in which would be prestigious), but would not give power to whose hands it is not known ( more precisely - well known, I wrote). So, Mr. Wasserman, don’t shit to water the regular army, saying that the children there are dying in vain and it is not known for what purposes. Yes, our authorities may not always have goals that are humane and do not always reflect the interests of the majority. But this is already a problem of power, and not of an instrument in its hands, which until then had served the state faithfully. And if the authorities mow, then there is nothing to break a good tool and change it to an outdated one. Better to change power. Although there is an opinion, every nation deserves its ruler ...

[Bismark]

None of PMCs can compare with the regular army. Do not entertain yourself with illusions.

[leon-iv]

None of PMCs can compare with the regular army. Do not entertain yourself with illusions.
There is such an expression to hammer in nails with a microscope.
The army has its own task
BB has its own
PMC has its own.
The police have their own.
The FSB also has its own.
Do not confuse the concept.

[edge]

there is no place for mini-armies on our territory, the FSB will not allow it here, but please work behind the cordon

[crazyrom]

Quote: Mikhalych82

Question: Beneficial to whom?

Well, maybe they will, as usual, send private traders to dirty work, so that later they say it was not Russia that killed everyone. Who knows what tasks will be if Americans start sending terrorists to us from Central Asia. So, it is more convenient to "wet in the toilet" using private companies.

[Captain Vrungel]

You are not looking at human resources, but at defense enterprises, which "by chance" may end up in private hands and, God forbid, with a foreign investor with a 50% stake + 1 share.

[lelikas]

Quote: RETX

American Blackwater as an example.

The very first thing that came to mind was that the article refers to companies manufacturing equipment and weapons.

[edge]

I absolutely agree, people will work out their potential ........... experience is indispensable. + International projection of force anywhere in the world

[Alexander Romanov]

ShturmKGB

You can try it, but is it necessary?

Someone needs a lot of money, that's where the field didn’t plowed drinking loot I don’t want. Recently, I finally ceased to understand what is happening in the Moscow Region, there aren’t enough contractors, now the latter will run to private owners and most importantly who will be the head of the companies, I think the names will be from the Forbes list.

[mongoose]

how to cut? if they will work on contracts outside of Russia?
speak up

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: mongoose

if they will work on contracts outside of Russia?

It’s not for me, I don’t touch budget money, ask those who are taking up a public position they are building mansions for themselves.

[andrklimanov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

, there are not enough contractors, now the latter will run to private owners

article is nonsense. We will NEVER have PMCs in Russia, so no one will go anywhere

[Retx]

Why? Who will guard the Gazprom towers?

[TRex]

Gazprom towers have long been guarded by their own security service. Since the main shareholder is the state (as in some other strategic companies), they have both weapons and technical means.
I think, if we are talking about PMCs, then some "sawmills" have thought - why not attach their playful hands here too? Why not cut the state's military budget?
We are not talking about any BLACKWATER counterparts - to distribute weapons to the hassled ones - let the choppers with service bored trunks and defective shotguns than professionals with a military ... Sassat ...

[Retx]

And what will they shoot back from "baboons"? those on them from 12,7, and chopovtsy in response from Saiga? Or will the "shareholder" send the Airborne Forces with aviation to the analysis?

[bachast]

The same SBs that were and are today.
In addition to the towers, there are more serious objects by the way

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: andrklimanov

article is nonsense.

The article is nonsense, only the words are given by Rogozin

[andrklimanov]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The article is nonsense, only the words are given by Rogozin

come on. and who heard these words?
contract army cannot gather, who will allow PMCs? or are we here on the forum the most intelligent, about the fact that the double basses will explode in PMCs from the Armed Forces guessed, but the government does not know about it!
Of course I can be mistaken, but it seems to me that things will not go further than the chop

[Mikado]

Quote: andrklimanov

article is nonsense. NEVER we will have PMCs in Russia

They have been in Russia for a long time, only they do not have a PMC postscript in their name, but are called something like "Orel anti-terrorist training center" or "TOP Security LTD"

[IPSC-2008]

"..the article is nonsense. NEVER we will have PMCs in Russia, so no one will run anywhere .."
Yes Easy! We always perceive everything in a perverted form. PMCs will be created with a founder from the Moscow Region and all orders will be merged. With this "agreement," the PMC "will win" any tender. Another question is if PMCs are created under the roof of the Ministry of Defense for conducting hostilities and staffed with professional contract soldiers. You can bypass any resolution following the example of the states. "These are not sovereign troops in Syria, but private traders, sorry !!!"

[Yarbay]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

, there are not enough contractors, now the latter will run to private owners

Hi Sanya !!
You super caught the moment!
I didn’t even think about it right away !!
Type then these companies will be offered for rabid grandmothers, also to protect the borders, suppress riots, they say the soldier is not enough !!

[Alexander Romanov]

Hi Alibek, I’m more worried that Rogozin has several applications a day, and it’s becoming more and more difficult to understand where we are going. An example of the modernization of the machine and the moon.

Quote: Yarbay

Type then these companies will be offered for crazy grandmas

In ancient Greece, there were private armies, and the allegarchs created them, and they served them by faith and for good money. Only it all ended in tears.

[Butterfly net]

Not even anything else is legion or weapon production. Typically, retirees organize PMCs and take security contracts from corporations in areas of tension. That is, in Iraq, oil fields are guarded, pipelines are escorting goods, etc.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Net

Usually retirees organize PMCs

Ordinary retirees will not be allowed to billions.

[edge]

God be with you, what billions, PMCs are just a consumer and a customer of military property. Guys stop living in a dream world

[Warik]

ShturmKGBOf course you need! The Syrians, for example, have already been waiting for our fighters. If Westerners ask questions, our answer is: what? frequent military companies, democracy where they want to work there!

[itr]

I have not changed my opinion about this issue. Very stupid decision. The army should be alone. And so each fraction will have such a company. And she will fight only for money. And not for the homeland! By the way, it may turn out that they’ll pay so they’ll have to fight against their own people. Will someone tell me Rogozin served in the Army ???

[Joker]

Who will pay them? PMCs under the control of the state, for which you can send them wherever you want, even fight in the US, if they catch any demand from Russia, do you know PMCs-catch the idea? PMCs can also be sent to Syria, they can help Iran, they can work where troops are officially banned, this is a huge plus, so I personally am for it.

[itr]

Joker
If Russia wanted to send somebody somewhere, she would have done it. How did this USSR. Vietnam, Laos, Korea, African countries. Catch a thought ??

[Retx]

Only now there is no USSR, but there is Russia, driven by completely different ideas. And Oleg truly says that any actions of our country cause bustle everywhere (see Georgia 2008, still stink), we are weak in the Info-Wars.

[itr]

So it’s time for Russia to say its word, and not to hide behind

[Joker]

I catch the thought, but then the USSR, and then Russia, completely different things.

[itr]

How are these different ?????? It turns out earlier normal men people words and deeds and now so yap one ???? I totally disagree with you

[Retx]

I think it’s about our elite, now it’s completely different now

[Joker]

Quote: itr

How are these different ?????? It turns out earlier normal men people words and deeds and now so yap one ???? I totally disagree with you

It’s about the army, before the USSR everyone was afraid, so even if they knew on 100% that they worked for specialists, they kept their mouths shut, they were afraid because now every flea dog barks at us and there’s no one to shoot it, before normal men at the top sat, and the army was led by generals, and now you correctly put it, yap one.

[itr]

Well, let's say everyone was not afraid! Say more respected
But only the strong are respected, which means that Russia needs to be reminded from time to time that it is also something of itself. Well, let's say we hold a big exercise near the border with the Baltic states, with a completely accidental flight of military aircraft into their territory. You can even launch a couple of shells into their territory. To sink a couple of ships of poachers from the Japanese to the Sea of ​​Japan. Start muddying the waters in Qatar and in other oil regions where our "Friends" get oil. Well, I don’t know there’s some kind of revolution. Free women of the east. And all this must be done in the month of September. So the heating season begins for the whole of Europe and they will not open up much. Well, something like this . In short, you can't do everything for the money that's what I wanted to say

[edge]

PMC will simply work as an institute of military advisers in the USSR + financial background

[Yarbay]

Quote: Joker

where troops are officially prohibited

What and by whom ????

[Retx]

UN Security Council, all sorts of sanctions, etc.

[Yarbay]

Quote: RETX

UN Security Council, all sorts of sanctions, etc.

You did not forget that Russia has the right to veto !! ??
What Russia does not intimidate with sanctions !!?
take 2 waiting !!

[Retx]

No, I haven’t forgotten, we still don’t know how to play dirty with all this. Our Foreign Ministry is acting decently, competently, in accordance with all laws and rights, but in the end, everything went well with the gentlemen overseas, and we are to blame for the shit

[Yarbay]

Quote: RETX

No, I haven’t forgotten, we still don’t know how to play dirty with all this. Our Foreign Ministry is acting decently, competently, in accordance with all laws and rights, but as a result, everything went well with the gentlemen overseas, and we are to blame for the shit

Your Foreign Ministry acts as it can !!
If the leadership is not satisfied, then you need to put those who will act as they should !!
This is not a reason to create a private army !!

[Yarbay]

Quote: itr

The army should be alone

Totally agree!

[edge]

PMC is the vanguard of the army, if it comes to the right territory

[gispanec]

I do not mean private armies, but brains for development and production.

[itr]

Where is it written ??????????????? And what happened to the brains ???? I did not understand you

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: gispanec

I do not mean private armies, but brains for development and production.

And many private traders have developed?

[mongoose]

many new air defense radars for example

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: mongoose

many new air defense radars for example

Announce the entire list please ...........

[mongoose]

and who do you think has developed new stations? which are now being commissioned?

[baltika-18]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Alexander Romanov Today, 11:12 ↑ new 0 
Quote: mongoose
many new air defense radars for example
Announce the entire list please ...........
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It will not be announced, this is from Putin’s words that some company managers were awarded state awards for developing radars, and to whom, why, for what the story is silent.

[volcano]

Quote: gispanec

I do not mean private armies, but brains for development and production.

If that was what was meant, then they would say the private sector of the military-industrial complex, and PMCs (and in the USA this is what private military structures are called) is an armed formation.

[Joker]

Hello, PMC read what it is, you misunderstood, these are not manufacturing companies, but mercenaries for wars.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Joker

these are not manufacturing companies, but mercenaries for wars

I do not like mercenaries. Fighting for money is not the best that mankind came up with.

[leon-iv]

Fighting for money is not the best that humanity has come up with.
Meanwhile, he uses the entire history of their services.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: leon-iv

Meanwhile, he uses the entire history of their services.

Well, let them enjoy it, we are not amers and not Saxons. Normal Russian man for the money will not go to kill !!! The Blackwater scandals recall that they were creating these mercenaries.

[edge]

and who said that ours are so unclean; -In Afghanistan, Shuravi still remember without malice

[leon-iv]

in afghanistan still shuravi remember without malice
Not everywhere, mainly in the north, where Tajiks live, because there many of us built in the south, the situation is different. There the villages from the MLRS were demolished.

[bachast]

Alexander, but the fact is that we have a lot of such mercenaries. I’m talking about contract soldiers who fought in Chechnya, for example. Even not in the military unit. seconded, but directly to the Chechen Republic through military registration and enlistment offices. I signed it for half a year (later a year) and if there were people who signed not because of money, then a few.

[BARKAS]

Of course, it is impossible to create a new nuclear submarine of a private company, but communications and other electronics, equipment and a new Kalashnikov replacement machine can come up with why not.

[baltika-18]

Rogozin's son is connected with the production of weapons. The Promtechnologii group of companies, the Orsis company. Rogozin is the junior deputy general director. The wind is blowing in the right direction.

[mongoose]

they only make precision, even if they receive a state order, it’s only a few thousand trunks, nonsense

[leon-iv]

He left industrial technologies so that his father's name would not be defamed. And Orsis produces good rifles much better than Izhmash.

[volcano]

Yes No Colleagues .. the speech is about the private Army .... and rightly so ......

We take the example from the United States ... ... from those PMCs, this is a cunning structure that fulfills orders from the White House and the Central Intelligence Agency, when the United States itself, for some reason, cannot "officially" do this ... covered ... we have nothing to do with ... but the results are needed by the state ...

Imagine Syria .... we cannot officially get in there ...... and it would be like if we had a couple of thousand guys from PMCs there .... you look at all the goats .... sorry for the opposition would have been shot for a long time ... ..

And do not think that PMCs will be created by anyone who is not too lazy .... it is very naive ...... there will be 2 maximum 3 PMCs that will perform precisely such tasks ... MAINTENANCE OF THE INTERESTS OF RUSSIA IN ANY REGION OF THE WORLD .. .. WITHOUT OFFICIAL PARTICIPATION IN THIS RUSSIA ...... and ate the fish and ... ahem .... in paradise .....

So everything is correct ..... if the world does not play according to the rules, then what prevents us from doing the same.

[mongoose]

more precisely you will not tell!

[Director]

I absolutely agree with you. + In addition to these advantages, there is a very important factor, the lack of PMCs. dibilizma senility from the gene. headquarters and M.O.

[in reserve]

volcano
And do not think that PMCs will be created by all and sundry .... this is very naive ......

Who pays and orders music. What will prevent Abramovich from creating his army in Russia if the legislative framework is ready. If the oligarchs are now running behind the back of the government, what will happen when they have a whole army of pros.

[kopcep]

Who said oligarchs rule behind the government, not the government, hiding behind it? It seems to be said the same thing, but not quite. More precisely, it must be. More precisely, they manage a very small part of the government, but I hope that not everyone. You can’t live without optimism :) If someone even more accurately says, we will get at their disposal even the speckles are true.

[volcano]

Quote: in stock

Who pays and orders music. What will prevent Abramovich from creating his army in Russia

Obtaining a license to carry out such activities ..... hell he will get it ...

[in reserve]

volcano
Obtaining a license to carry out such activities ..... hell he will get it ..

A naive "Chukchi youth" is not a fact that he does not have this army now, in the form of security agencies.

[kopcep]

Quote: volkan

if the world does not play by the rules, then what prevents us from doing the same

I do not want to dispute the entire previous message. This catchphrase is enough. If you do not write for a long time, you will get something like this. We played one game called "arms race" (God knows how many similar games were there before). When we started to win it, the West began to play by different rules, which was marked by the collapse of the USSR. In the course of changing the rules, which were again dictated to us by the West, we have what we have now. Including the situation with the country's armed forces. And some people again suggest that we follow the West and accept its rules of the game. When will the people already understand that it is better to play / live their game according to their own rules, which we still have (including the Russian language), than to run errands for the West in its game ?!

[PSih2097]

Private military companies may appear in Russia

they have been around for a long time, an example is the protection of Gazprom, Rosatom, Rosneft, etc.

[mongoose]

only Sberbank's collection has machines, the rest go with izh, rosat under the protection of the military

[mesnik]

Nevertheless, we are talking about the production of weapons and not about the private army. The idea is good. The state defense is not shut down, but it is proposed to create competition. If anyone has brains, let them try and do it. Why not? Naturally, this will be controlled. more than half of the defense in private hands and nothing. More competition, more quality weapons will be, everyone will have the desire to create better

[VALENOK]

A private army is something that will help to resolve issues that, for example, it is forbidden to solve by the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, such structures were in Russia, and before you remember, for example, oprichniks only with current historical changes and functions.

[andrklimanov]

Can you imagine what PMCs are? A PRIVATE military company is a business project, business is run by businessmen, for a homeland businessman, where they pay more. In general, we will never have this

[erased]

PMCs exist in the world for a long time. There is a legislative framework, work practices and experience, not always successful. But where and how are they going to use PMCs here? Or just outside the country? There is a lot of incomprehensible.

[denkastro]

PMCs are just a private army. In the modern world they have a huge use. A lot (as mentioned above) they will not appear, it’s too expensive for anyone. It is much easier and cheaper to create private security companies. Well, private military companies should have a very strict legal framework for example, a ban on use on the territory of Russia. PMCs are primarily the international status of armed people protecting the property of private business throughout the Earth, as well as deciding its interests. Very often the geopolitical interests of the state are voiced by geo-fields nical interests of big national business, hence the public issues that RA can not decide on a number of objective reasons, will also be included in the scope of the PMC tasks.

[BARKAS]

As far as I know, Russian PMCs have long existed, they are simply registered abroad and protect the interests of others.

[leon-iv]

Yes, in my opinion there are about 5 of them mainly oil workers.

[leon-iv]

There has always been and will be "dirty" work. In which the army does not need to be mixed.
There will always be people who want to kill or do not want to live a peaceful life.
There will always be the interests of the country abroad. So what prevents the use of these people for the good of the country and business.

[Yarbay]

Quote: leon-iv

There has always been and will be "dirty" work. In which the army does not need to be mixed.

For the army there is no dirty work, if not dirty ideas for politicians !!

Quote: leon-iv

There will always be people who want to kill or do not want to live a peaceful life.

Such people should be isolated from other prisons!

Quote: leon-iv

There will always be the interests of the country abroad. So what prevents the use of these people for the good of the country and business.

The interests of the country abroad must comply with state bodies!
Common sense should interfere!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Yarbay

For the army there is no dirty work, if not dirty ideas for politicians !!

Quote: Yarbay

Such people should be isolated from other prisons!

Alibek, here I can only have one plus, but the words of the dignity of more

[leon-iv]

For the army there is no dirty work, if not dirty ideas for politicians !!
And you tell me when they were clean? Even in the whole history I don’t remember. If you dig here and there ears of murders of bribery and so on stick out.
Such people should be isolated from other prisons!
This is a stupid waste of resources. There are goals and they need to be fulfilled.
Common sense should interfere!
But I absolutely don’t give a damn about poises from neocolonies when the interests of the state and business, for example, my company, stand.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: leon-iv

But I absolutely don’t give a damn about poises from neocolonies when the interests of the state and business, for example, my company, stand.

You absolutely don’t give a damn about people, well, it says a lot, WHO ARE YOU !!!! Amers also do not care about people and you have nothing better than them !!!

[leon-iv]

You absolutely don’t give a damn about people, well, it says a lot, WHO ARE YOU !!!!
Oh, what all the moralists are right there are no words. To remind the story of how Ri / USSR tried to raise the standard of living of the colonies in the SA and the Caucasus (where all the same they succeeded a little). And SA except Kazakhstan (there is a large percentage of the Russian population) Slides into the 19th century by a rapid jack and soon drown in blood. Thanks, I don’t need it, and so the state cries a lot with RFP. And I do not want to provide them again.

[Yarbay]

Quote: leon-iv

And you tell me when they were clean? Even in the whole history I don’t remember. If you dig here and there ears of murders of bribery and so on stick out.

Correctly wrote to you, Alexander, that Russians are not shaves !!
As for the killings, bribery, if it is in the interests of my country, then why can't I do this as part of the armed forces of my country, but should I disguise myself ??
This is Russia, not New Guinea !!

Quote: leon-iv

This is a stupid waste of resources. There are goals and they need to be fulfilled.

This says about your low moral qualities!
Goals can and must be carried out by state bodies, not bandits and maniacs!

[leon-iv]

As for the killings, bribery, if it is in the interests of my country, then why can't I do this as part of the armed forces of my country, but should I disguise myself ??
Here is an example: Russia has a large holding, it is extracting resources, say in Africa, its workers (the local population) are being attacked, what should I do? Wait when local monkeys do something? Or call Mistral with a security team? And I have PMCs / PSCs with good armament and preparation that I will look at the Papuans. No, I will administer justice there myself. In such countries where PMCs will be needed, only force is respected.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: leon-iv

There has always been and will be "dirty" work. In which the army does not need to be mixed.
There will always be people who want to kill or do not want to live a peaceful life.
There will always be the interests of the country abroad. So what prevents the use of these people for the good of the country and business.

That's exactly what the Americans think is their style, like money doesn’t smell like a respected one. But Russia does not need to get dirty with dirty work.

[leon-iv]

And Russia doesn’t need to get dirty with dirty work
Oh, what are all purebloods to recall how an empire was created? By fire and sword, and then by integration and pulling up the level of the natives to the level of the metropolis.
For example, there is a certain mineral in Africa without it, cell phones will be much more expensive. To reduce the cost of its extraction there support a permanent civil war. The question is, are you ready to pay for the phone more expensive than 1,5-2 times for the sake of a brighter future for poops. I don’t give a damn about them.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: leon-iv

. To reduce the cost of its production there support a permanent civil war.

Russia does not support or arrange civil warriors for money and profit, even political. What country do you live in, not by chance in the USA?

Quote: leon-iv

The question is, are you ready to pay for the phone more than once in 1,5-2 for the bright future of popousses

I’ll pay you not for poverty because there is a conscience!

Quote: leon-iv

I don’t give a damn about them

Well, who are you after that?

[leon-iv]

Russia does not support or arrange civil warriors for money and profit, even political. What country do you live in, not by chance in the USA?
Oh oh Do you remind the Comintern?
I’ll pay you not for poverty because there is a conscience!
Oh well ))))
Well, who are you after that?
Russian citizen. Who wants Russia to become an Empire again.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: leon-iv

Russian citizen. Who wants Russia to become an Empire again.

You are a disgrace to Russia, which wants to turn Russia into a likeness of the USA !!!

[leon-iv]

You are a disgrace to Russia, which wants to turn Russia into a likeness of the USA !!!
Right now I’ll cry just))))))
Are you ready to go kill for the interests of big business? Will you send your son? Or do you think this is not happening?
Or do we live in a world of ponies that feed on a rainbow and poop butterflies? +

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: leon-iv

Right now I’ll cry just)))

Yes, at least crying

Quote: leon-iv

Are you ready to go kill for the interests of big business?

I’m not a frozen beast that would kill people for money !!!

Quote: leon-iv

Will you send your son?

No comment at all

Quote: leon-iv

Or do you think this is not happening?

Quite often, NATO and the USA do this, and to be like them means to turn into an animal that has nothing to do with humans.

Quote: leon-iv

Or do we live in a world of ponies that feed on a rainbow and poop butterflies?

What world you live in, I don’t know, but I live in Russia, where murder for money for the benefit of business is called a crime against humanity !!!

[leon-iv]

I’m not a frozen beast that would kill people for money !!!
But meanwhile, people have always been engaged in this and will continue to do it.
Generally no comment fool
But you think that the Army should carry out such work.
Quite often, NATO and the USA do this, and to be like them means to turn into an animal that has nothing to do with humans.
But here in Chechnya, too, we were not distinguished by peacefulness.
What world you live in, I don’t know, but I live in Russia, where murder for money for the benefit of business is called a crime against humanity !!!
And I suggest using them in Russia, we have a lot of bantustanov in the world. And for the majority of the population of Russia it is deeply violet against blacks and others.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: leon-iv

But meanwhile, people have always been engaged in this and will continue to do it.

And the Russians then, always broke the back of such "people" and the like, the last time it happened in 45 of the last century in Berlin.

Quote: leon-iv

But you think that the Army should carry out such work

The army to kill people for the interests of business and corporations - I did not say that, the army should defend the homeland, and not be a puppet killing for oil and money.

Quote: leon-iv

But here in Chechnya, too, we were not distinguished by peacefulness

Well, whoever killed there for money, probably those 19 summer boys who took Grozny.

Quote: leon-iv

And I suggest using them in Russia, we have a lot of bantustanov in the world.

Are you not afraid to get on the hit list?

Quote: leon-iv

And for the majority of the population of Russia it is deeply violet against blacks and others.

You are not even a nationalist, replace your avatar with ss, you will correspond.

[leon-iv]

And the Russians then, always broke the back of such "people" and the like, the last time it happened in 45 of the last century in Berlin.
How pathetic))))
The army to kill people for the interests of business and corporations - I did not say that, the army must defend the homeland
And it never crossed the mind that the Motherland needed resources and influence? How to provide them properly with a carrot and a stick.
Well, whoever killed there for money, probably those 19 summer boys who took Grozny.
There was also a lot of interesting things there after the terrible. But the fact of this does not change the cruelty on both sides took place.
And I suggest using them in Russia, we have a lot of bantustanov in the world.
I did not put a question mark
I explain in Russia they absolutely can not be used.
You are not even a nationalist, replace your avatar with ss, you will correspond.
What is true it hurts my eyes that the majority of the population of Russia choose their own goods against the lives of the Papuans. They will make a mournful mine and say that they are not moralists and will make their choice in favor of benefits. Or do you think the Soviet Union just helped? For the beautiful eyes and ideals of communism?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: leon-iv

How pathetic)))

You stand a lot, dkmay many on the site after reading these comments will be appreciated.

Quote: leon-iv

And it never crossed the mind that the Motherland needed resources and influence?

That's exactly what the US State Department thinks!

Quote: leon-iv

How to provide them properly with a carrot and a stick.

Quoting Condoleezza Rice, excellent, there’s nowhere else to go, you have come.

Quote: leon-iv

There was also a lot of interesting things there after the terrible. But the fact of this does not change the cruelty on both sides took place.

He himself was in Chechnya, and probably cut off the head of the Chechens, I won’t be surprised if so.

Quote: leon-iv

And I suggest using them in Russia, we have a lot of bantustanov in the world.

Quote: leon-iv

I did not put a question mark

Well, and in what place can I put a question mark here or wake up, what got black out of you.

Quote: leon-iv

What is true it hurts my eyes that the majority of the population of Russia choose their own goods against the lives of the Papuans.

Yes, what are they the majority who sit in expensive clubs and ponte on TV, but they are not a minority and will always be them !!!

Quote: leon-iv

Or do you think the Soviet Union just helped? For the beautiful eyes and ideals of communism?

I’m talking about modern Russia, which by its foreign policy is very different from the policy of the USSR, which is why there is no pro-Russian power in different republics including Georgia. We defend our interests, but interfere in the internal affairs of others.

[leon-iv]

You stand a lot, dkmay many on the site after reading these comments will be appreciated.
This is deep purple to me.
You quote Condoleezza Rice-excellent, there’s nowhere else to go, you’ve come
Meanwhile, this is the basis of the policy of any state, both external and internal.
Itself was in Chechnya and probably cut off the head of the Chechens, I won’t be surprised if so
In Chechnya, there was a wild land with wild people at work. Tk part of the metropolis has to develop it.
Yes, what are they the majority who sit in expensive clubs and ponte on TV, but they are not a minority and will always be them !!!
Well, my wife is a sociologist, and before the second decree, she dealt with many issues and conducted research with a large sample. Therefore, I use its data. And not the data of runet))))
This is why it is true that in various republics, including Georgia, there is no pro-Russian power.
But do we really need Georgia what to take from it? And how much should she give?
I'm interested in it - No
And this gnell by the name of Stsukoshvili will soon fall out of the country when the time comes to repay the external debt, but there will be no money. Then we'll see where the political wind blows.
Three countries are interested in me: Ukraine, Belarus, Kakhzakhstan. The rest are sources of resources.

[Bismark]

And it never crossed the mind that the Motherland needed resources and influence? How to provide them properly with a carrot and a stick.

You probably didn’t attend school. Russia is one of the richest countries in terms of natural resources. Another thing is that some chenushi are squandering them, so take it off and you need to, and not with the blacks.

[leon-iv]

You probably didn’t attend school. Russia is one of the richest countries in terms of natural resources. Another thing is that some chenushi are squandering them, so take it off and you need to, and not with the blacks.
Treasury should be punished extremely harshly. I, too, are not happy with the policy of the country's leadership in this matter.
But meanwhile, Russia does not have a number of resources. For example, I recommend that you familiarize yourself with uranium reserves. As of today, the issue has been lifted by supplies from Mongolia.

[kopcep]

Do you agree with the current prices for fuel, food and other property of the people? That's right, it is better to buy a mobile phone 2 times cheaper. And further. Don't you think that the current situation in the country has developed precisely because fools like you succumbed to Western influence and accepted its rules of the game? And now the same thing is happening in our country as in Africa. Folk wealth is bought from the local population for trinkets.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: kopcep

That's right, it's better to buy a mobile phone in 2 times cheaper

Buy cheap mobile is all your values?

Quote: kopcep

Don't you think that the current situation in the country has developed precisely because fools like you succumbed to Western influence and accepted its rules of the game

Who are you talking to?

[Nechai]

Quote: RETX

huge human arsenal that you can use for profitable purposes.

Mikhail, you have absolutely precisely defined the goals and objectives of the PMC. It is in the most profitable and precisely to the owner of this structure Those who speak out for the PMCs here are casting a shadow over the fence. That he is, they are, in fact, they already exist and will belong to the state .... Gentlemen, you are a private pocket with a state one, please do not confuse! PMCs are created by the owner and are designed to resolve his "issues". Yes, sometime these decisions will coincide with the state ones, but sometime they will not. But never when will they for the most part coincide with the public. By defending the idea of ​​PMCs, you are judges contradicting yourself. The private trader does not allocate sufficient funds for the maintenance of a really effective Army, but he has funds for his personal legion. Conclusion: his private trader is satisfied neither by the state, nor by the control system, nor (most importantly) by the goals and tasks facing the RF Armed Forces.
And from the Rogozin team, someone really does chat with us and react quickly. Modestly, let me quote my remark (from September 18, 2012 15:30 in the thread: Assessing the international situation, Putin called on the military to "keep the powder dry")
".... But actually, what a fig for our elite to bother with these aircraft?!?!?! PMCs are the most optimized option. Not a smut ... I gave them my desire and they rustle. -" Reign, lying on its side ! "Well, until your PMC ktonit another will not outbid ...."

[Aleks tv]

The first reaction to the article is negative.

What are the advantages?
- employment of a large trained reserve,
- the possibility of using these units where the official presence of Russia is undesirable.

What are the cons?
-What tasks will the private traders perform? First of all, I think about the guard service of state objects.
-How difficult will it be to get a license? I think that only the elite will receive it.
-Who makes a profit? Private trader.
-Is the owner going to fulfill the tasks of the state if it is not beneficial for him? Not. Can it be forced to send personnel, for example ... to Syria? No, only blackmailing the revocation of the license or the payment of a large fee for this service to the owner of the enterprise.

In my opinion, this is lobbying for an attempt to cut budget money OFFICIALLY, and nothing more: licenses only to “their own”, guard duty for state money sent to a private pocket.
This is the open impudence of the goats.

[Nechai]

Quote: volkan

. If the world does not play by the rules, then what prevents us from doing the same.

Nobody forbids the special services to take the necessary measures and steps. And what you offer sounds really like this - to become the same bitches .. as they are ...

Quote: BARKAS

As far as I know, Russian PMCs have long existed, they are simply registered abroad and protect the interests of others.

Of course, only WHILE, and in colloquial speech and the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation, they are voiced and calibrated as "GANG", "ILLEGAL ARMED FORMATION" ... workers.

[denkastro]

For myself, I have not decided whether or not for PMCs, but I definitely do not mind that state servicemen should decide the interests of business abroad. My opinion is that they (the business) should pay life and health insurance for specialists who solve their problems, as well as themselves (and not the state) should finance the costs of equipping, training and maintaining them.

[leon-iv]

Naturally
The state may lease weapons and equipment.
PMCs should not have the right to carry weapons inside the country only within the framework of the legislation of the Russian Federation.
Training can be carried out only in state centers (if created) or outside the state.

I would also create a Russian "Foreign Legion"

[BARKAS]

PMCs are mercenaries providing services to government agencies, as a rule, for example, in Iraq and Afghanistan, some of these companies are founded by Russian citizens of Ukraine and Belarus, they position themselves as Russian PMCs to the local population, amers actively use this when they have to deal with tribes who do not want to deal with NATO . So, information about the friendship of the local population and occupiers appears in the media.

[bremest]

This is a good idea. Professionals will be gathered in PMCs and they will significantly improve the state of alert and appearance of the RF Armed Forces. PMCs can, under a contract with foreign governments, protect states. There is a large field of activity - air defense, air force, training of soldiers and officers, exercises. It is beneficial and the Russian Federation as it were, but the goals are common ....

[VadimSt]

And passions .... A few months ago, we discussed the possibility of creating structures capable of defending Russia's interests abroad, including. and power support! I see nothing wrong, both in the private sector of the "defense industry" and in PMCs.

1. For the "defense industry" it is an incentive and a counterbalance (freedom of creative thought, the absence of bureaucratic barriers, modernization and investment independent of the state, alternative wages, etc.).

2. It is naive to believe that PMCs will operate outside the legal framework and without state control. A "contractor" is also a mercenary, but by hiring him, the state bears for him, among other things, social and political responsibility. For a mercenary PMC - the state is not responsible.

From Wikipedia: Private military company (PMC) is a commercial enterprise offering specialized services related to participation in military conflicts or military operations, as well as intelligence gathering, strategic planning, logistics and consulting.

Examples of services:
Academi employees guard US diplomats in Baghdad, recruit and manage US contingent of international police missions (DynCorp), guard sites, including those of important and strategic importance (for example, the international airport in Baghdad), guard oil fields and pipelines Iraq (Blackwater Security Consulting, Erinys Iraq Limited), security of the Iraqi energy system (Hart Group), security of the US embassies and security of the Afghan president (Triple Canopy), escort of UN convoys in Iraq and Afghanistan (Kroll), training of personnel of the government armed forces, police and other security forces (in particular, the National Guard of Saudi Arabia - Vinnell Corporation, the Sierra Leone army - "Executive Outcomes", the Croatian army and the Iraqi army - "Military Professional Resources" ...), provision of military interpreters (CACI) , prison guard in Iraq and Afghanistan (Titan Corporation), minefield clearance and destruction unexploded ordnance (RONCO, MAG, BACTEC, Armor Group, Minetech, EODT), fire protection (Group 4 Falck), troop logistics (KBR), aerial reconnaissance (AirScans Inc., Eagle Aviation Services & Technology), armed escort and protection sea ​​vessels from pirates (Global Marine Security Systems, RSB-Group, etc.).

Advantages of PMCs over regular armed forces:

1. Their use does not cause the West European population the discontent that the use of regular armed forces may cause.
2. They can be a counterbalance to the local armed forces in states with weak political institutions.
3: They are capable of rapid deployment.
4, PMC personnel losses are not counted in official government reports.
5. More flexible operational management.
6. Lack of bureaucracy.
7: Higher professionalism compared to regular troops.


Or should Russia resignedly observe attempts to alienate its property abroad, attacks on civilian ships by pirates, attempts to "sweep away" regimes loyal to itself, etc.?

[Gorchakov]

I absolutely agree with you ... We must not stand aside and look at the actions of the Western armed bandit formations in the redistribution of spheres of influence in the world! By the way, you forgot about Al Qaeda !!! This is exactly the very formation that cannot officially be sewn to the United States, but which provides a very service to the CIA policy ... Naturally, ordinary fighters are used in the dark and believe that they are serving the right cause, but none of them knows the sources of their funding. organizations and the true goals they pursue ... So why can't Russia resist this? I believe that in our country such formations are necessary to oppose the international "opposition" in the territories of states friendly to us ...

[kopcep]

Quote: VadimSt

For a PMC mercenary - the state is not responsible.

In a normal world order, the boss is always responsible for the subordinate. In the same way, the subordinate is responsible to the boss for the job. When a boss relieves himself of responsibility for a subordinate at a critical moment, then why not a subordinate relieve himself of responsibility for work? This is the order you are proposing to us, yes? When no one is responsible for what? Do you know what will happen then? They will rake, but not those who really should, but the weakest and not protected. And, attention, a question! WHO ALWAYS BROKEN IN RUSSIA? And these people will rake even more, because nobody is going to answer for them at all.

[Aleks tv]

PMCs are a tribute to fashion and the official cut of money, and nothing more. This is Russia, not the USA.

State interests will be upheld by PMCs ... ....... sounds beautiful.
What are you speaking about…? Defenders of PMCs, you reason very well, according to the State, but these are only dreams ... Go down to earth.

Who is washing clothes in the army now?
Private traders.
Who is feeding the fighters now?
Private traders.
Try to get into these structures of redistribution of state money in a private pocket, they will unscrew the Bosko instantly ...

The creation of PMCs in Russia is a continuation of this policy: full “outsourcing” with the cut of state money, and NOTHING more. There are no State interests in the PMC idea in Russia ...

IMHO and with respect to all.

[DERWISH]

it’s just a crime to merge into the reserve of military personnel, especially past hot spots! PMCs IT'S TIME to create and not only with their help to influence the world's hot spots in their own interests! Live with wolves according to wolves. only by the same methods as they are. and in Russia the best soldiers and concepts for what you need to fight are right

[Gorchakov]

I really would like for Libya to have Russian units opposing Western aggressors ... And in Syria too !!! But regular parts of Russia cannot be sent there, because time is not right, and geopolitics has changed ... But private Russian military units could have participated in this and no country in the world could have accused Russia of participating ... A kind of commercial project for the Russian Legion ... The company is private created by the former military and working under contracts with an interested party for money ... - this is normal !!! But oligarchs cannot create such a unit !!!

[Nechai]

Quote: bremest

This is a good idea.

Pharisaism, demagogy, pure hypocrisy. What is she good at ?! The fact is that at first the state is spending money, time, nerves, growing specialists. Then the most combat-ready warriors are thrown into the street. They are faced with a choice - either die under the fence or shed blood for uncle ... And the best outcome for you will be - on the backorder. Then you will not see how your family was left without a livelihood, And you yourself will not be bewildered by the grace of men, being mutilated. As is happening in the USA. To present the case that only a PMC will provide an opportunity for the state (?!?!?!) To act in sensitive situations is a shameless lie. For evidence, contact the same MO. There are dozens of GUKs in the archive. And already in the analysas of the Central Committee of the CPSU, you will find such a thing that you cannot invent any Fleming.
Rummage, for fun, from what a snap, the Afghans from the 20s to 1979 and did not dare to fart towards the USSR .... And you are PMCs, PMCs.

[bremest]

I believe that the conservatives have blown my post.
But I still try to give an explanation.
We should not get hung up on the ideological dogmas of the past.
PMCs will allow for the money of other states to ensure their security, and therefore defend the interests of the Russian Federation. PMCs are able to earn big money and for the state they will not be a burden. For example, Libya. If PMC specialists had been sent there in advance under a contract with Gaddafi, who had analyzed gaps in defense and closed at least air defense, organized an army and defense, then even plans for an attack on Libya would not have been made up.

[User777]

Will finish badly. In general, now all the weapons will be worthless assembly. People will come who want a quick dough and that's it. And then they will groan and gasp - "How was it allowed?" "Who hasn't looked?" "Who's guilty?"

[cobra66]

On the one hand, it’s good, many military officers will be able to get a job, only what tasks will they perform

[denkastro]

Quote: User777

People who want a quick dough will come and that's it

Maybe you don’t know, but people who wanted a quick loot came back in the early 90s and squeezed out everything that is possible and impossible, now they are trying to wring them out (sorry for the tautology). It’s strange for me personally when people shout the same about the cut state money, it’s about preventing private capital from entering the state sector. It’s time to decide what they are against. Although there are those who are against everything, like I’m Dartanyan and you’re all **** **** s.

[User777]

I know when and who came. I mean, they will again play the drama in front of us, as usual, that's all.

[Altor86]

There is an idea, the leadership of the Ministry of Defense, to provide the protection of military bases, facilities and units with private security, instead of military guards. So that PMCs will be on anyone, whether someone wants it or not. Remember who is in the subject, outsourcing in the army, "Slavyanka" etc. . and the like. In my opinion, the decision has already been made. And this is so-talk. Will PMCs fight abroad? It is unlikely. Most likely they will perform police functions inside the country. As if to protect private property. Transnational corporations will organize wars inside themselves. will not.

[GP]

The evolution of private security companies - PMCs. There's something about it. Although the idea of ​​an analogue of the French Foreign Legion is more like it.

[kronos.pt]

A small example.

[VadimSt]

Quote: GP

The evolution of private security companies - PMCs. There's something about it.

These are different legal and organizational forms.