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What to do next with Kazakhstan?

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Yes, now we can easily say that there is a fire in the house of a neighbor (not a brother or an ally). It burns well, it burns from the heart. And now we will talk about the topic that worries everyone: what will happen next and how to deal with it.


To begin with, it is worth congratulating the great Elbasy Nazarbayev, who cowardly fled in the first hours to Moscow, and his successor, a little more brave Tokayev, that Kazakhstan, as a country, did not take place at all. Despite all the pan-Turkic games and dreams of Great Turan.

In the thirtieth year of Kazakh independence, this sad fact can be stated.

Yes, forgive me, but: if the Ministry of Internal Affairs cannot disperse the marauders, even if armed, and the army is not capable of eliminating terrorists in open confrontation, the National Security Committee somehow incomprehensibly “blinked” the presence of a huge number of terrorists in the country or even supported them ...

This is not a state from the word "absolutely".

Well, the mass escape of all government officials who had such an opportunity is only the best confirmation of this. The leaders, who did not believe in the capabilities of their own special services and security forces, flew in business jets no worse than American pilots during the combat deployment of an aircraft carrier group.

And again Russia and her soldiers were needed to restore order in the country.

Sorry, but it's a shame. And the complete failure of the leadership of Kazakhstan.

Thirty years of the "special Kazakh path", thirty years since Kazakhstan "got rid of the imperial shackles" - and at the slightest danger it became clear that there was no way without Russians again.

President of the Republic of Kazakhstan Tokayev said in his address that gangs trained abroad are operating in the country. He said, of course, without proof, but it is clear that Mr. President was a little ... nervous, because his chair was shaking.

Of course, the question arises of what the National Security Committee of the Republic of Kazakhstan was doing. As I understand it, the KNB knew nothing about the gangs that were sent to the Republic of Kazakhstan. And, accordingly, they were not ready. Or, as they say today, the KNB almost supplied these gangs with everything they needed.

For some reason, the army and the Ministry of Internal Affairs were not ready either. Otherwise, how can one explain Tokayev's panicky cry "Help, save us, they are overthrowing us here"? Frightened that it will be like in Kyrgyzstan?

Today, many remember the Ukraine of 2013 and the cowardly flight of the political corpse of Yanukovych to Russia. How did Nazarbayev differ from Yanukovych, who immediately left the post of head of the country's Security Council and fled to Russia?

Yes, nothing. The reaction is the same to the point of disgrace.

Who is to blame?


Well, and the very prerequisites for unrest, who created them? USA? Bandits? Or is it the leadership of Kazakhstan?

The gas was 60 tenge. “Suddenly,” it became 120. The Minister of Energy came out on the TV screen on January 3 and said that there was no way to get the price back. The market, you know. Whoever does not fit in, goes to the steppe. Then, as a handout, they promised to reduce it to 90 tenge. Well, when they said that they would return the price of 50 tenge for residents of the Mangistau region, then it started.

So much so that Mr. Tokayev felt uneasy.

But the question arises: why did not Mr. President run to Turkey for help? With whom did he so enthusiastically paint a picture of the Pantyursk world? Why did Elbasy Nazarbayev not go to his Turkish friends, who, by the way, trained the Kazakh special forces so hard and advised the KNB?

Maybe that's why the KNB did not "consider" the threat, because the Turks trained it?

And a very unpleasant question: why did the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan not allow HIS instruments to work? Army, police, KNB?

Are all unreliable? Or the bandits and took all the posts there? Well then, these bandits, excuse me, are from Kazakhstan.

Let's face it. And facts at the same time.

Causes


First of all, it was not the most unsecured and poor regions that got on the ears: the western ones. Zhanaozen, Atyrau, Aktau. Oil production centers. Aktau and Atyrau, from the moment of the mass departure of the Russians (they were Shevchenko and Guryev, if anyone does not remember), have become directly Kazakh ethnic bastions. There they speak and think only in Kazakh.

And the bulk of the protesters are not middle class, no. The middle class, the support and foundation of the "color revolutions" all over the world, wishing to simply break into power and get something else, like the liberalization of laws, was not noticed here.

The hard workers went into the "battle". Yes, the oil industry, making good money, but they are hard workers. Let's face it, with the organization they were very so-so at first. Until the more intelligent participants really connected and transferred everything to a hotter phase.

And stability has faltered. But she staggered not because some "bandits" began to shake her, but for somewhat different reasons. Which will be able to influence the situation in the future and from an exclusively negative side.

First. Kazakhstan is a big country. The rebellious western regions are far from the capital, more than three thousand kilometers. Besides, naturally, there is “oil separatism”. That is, in the west of the RK they believe that the center is really robbing them.

Second. The moment turned out to be a good one for unrest. To announce a rise in gas prices on New Year's holidays is nonsense. There are so many unemployed and often not quite sober workers - here is the "movement" for you, which gave a very good picture for the media.

Third. Nazarbayev’s departure to the strange position of Leader of the Nation gave rise to an understanding of the duality of power in the country. It seems like there is a president, but there are also elbasy who will build the president, if anything.

Here, by the way, the very passive role of the "father of the people" Nazarbayev is very strange. In general, many have the impression that Tokayev wanted to use all this in order to get out of Nazarbayev's care, but he threw too much gasoline into the fire.

Fourth. Ethnic component. Yes, there are fewer and fewer Russians in Kazakhstan. But Moscow still (badly, as it turned out) kept its finger on the pulse. Today, many citizens of Russia who frankly do not understand the essence (including on our pages) are seriously talking about the fact that the Russian military will defend certain "external interests of the country", thereby putting kerosene on fire.

Unfortunately, today many publications such as "Svoboda" and "Dozhd" have begun to squeal about the fact that "In Kazakhstan, Russians are shooting at Kazakhs." Many others will be yelling about it tomorrow. And they will be believed, including in Kazakhstan, because Nazarbayev’s will also blocked many objectionable Russian channels and media (including Voennoye Obozreniye, by the way), while various European and Turkish channels broadcast and continue to broadcast.

Why do we need this? For what interests?


Especially considering the policy of Kazakhstan lately.

Yes, the time has come to remember the transition to the Latin alphabet, and the closure of Russian schools, and the expulsion of the Russian population from Kazakhstan. Oh yes, of course, in fact, no one was driving anyone. It's just that, for example, my relatives, now living in the Omsk region, on their own initiative decided to move to Russia from Kazakhstan, where they were born and died since 1912, when they moved there at the call of Pyotr Arkadyevich Stolypin, who began to develop virgin lands as part of his reform.

Of course, no one approached the throat with a knife. However, they know how to create conditions unsuitable for life. Some "language patrols" were worth what. It was like this, "local patriots" went and checked the level of knowledge of the Kazakh language.

Not worse than in Ukraine of 2013-2014.

So why are there appeals not to Turkey, which trains personnel and participates in the life of the Republic of Kazakhstan more and more closely, but to Russia?

Why weren't the countries named in which the militants who had threatened the existence of Tokayev's power were not named?

Why wasn’t a single such action movie shown?

Unanswered questions.

Russians are called because they do not feel sorry for them


Yesterday Nazarbayev and Tokayev deprived the Russian language of its status, began to switch to the Latin alphabet, closed schools, and survived the Russians from the country.

Today this plaintive cry "Russia, where are you, save!"

There is only one logic, and it is ruthless.

It’s not a pity to throw Russians into the crucible of an uprising, civil war, whatever. The commanders of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, KNB, and the army will not go to risk their fat bellies. Their structures will not work either.

Do not forget that Kazakhstan is a country ruled by zhuzes - analogs of Caucasian teips. And how do you imagine it, when relatives from the same zhuz will shoot at each other? And then how to live with it?

Do not take the Caucasus as an example. Everything there is somewhat differently constructed, although the teips can cling to each other's throats.

And the Russians - they are here. Come, put things in order. And then the "grateful" Kazakhs, depending on who wins, will tell their grandchildren and great-grandchildren how the Russians killed them.

And what, they tell the same about 1986? And they will talk about 2022. How the Russians came and shot at the Kazakhs who wanted justice.

Are the bai of Kazakhstan worth it? Is it worth the obviously lied President Tokayev, who was simply afraid that the rebellious people would tear him down, as they did in neighboring Kyrgyzstan? Are these neighbors, whose house was on fire, even worth it to be extinguished by those in whom they spat all this time?

Russia had no other choice. Was not at all


Kazakhstan's policy towards Russia in recent years has been simply ugly. But alas, we are not talking about the protection of some kind of "external interests", as many "hurray-patriots" spoke about, but about things of a completely different kind.

We cannot afford a civil war or something even more vile in Kazakhstan. Unfortunately, we have no way to protect the country from the consequences of such events.

The border between Russia and Kazakhstan is seven and a half thousand kilometers. Seven and a half thousand kilometers of absolutely open space. No checkpoint, no frontier post.

Here I must say a huge "thank you" to Elbasy Nazarbayev, who for thirty years of his rule literally insisted on "open" relations between the two countries. As a result, we have no border with Kazakhstan, respectively, in any case, Russia will have to extinguish fires in Kazakhstan. The Elbasy turned out to be a good safety net.

At least for the sake of preventing the fire from spreading to Russia.

Yes, an unenviable role, but alas, so far we really can't do anything about it. And therefore they are forced to send their citizens under the bullets on the territory of such a dynamically developing Republic of Kazakhstan.

By the way, where is Turkey? Who helped Kazakhstan so hard in the formation of the special services and the army? Where is the USA?

Today, some observers express surprise that the "best friends" from Turkey did not even call and offer their help.

In general, everything is natural. The strong don't call the weak. It is the weak person who is obliged to turn to the stronger one and ask for help. The exception, perhaps, is just Russia, which is always trying to save someone. Yanukovychs, Asadov, now the Nazarbayevs. There is no need to talk about gratitude, this is the way the country has. I am sure they will not be particularly grateful even in Kazakhstan itself.

By the way, for the authorities of Kazakhstan, perhaps, this will be a lesson for the future. I would like the rose-colored glasses to brighten a little in terms of the same Turkey. And it would also be nice to decide on a relatively openly Russophobic policy.

To extinguish fires in Kazakhstan - while this task fell on Russia, and how the leadership will solve it is not yet clear. In the light of recent events, it is necessary to solve a whole range of tasks, the primary of which is the creation of a normal border between Russia and Kazakhstan.

If the special services of the Republic of Kazakhstan, which have demonstrated complete helplessness in the fight against terrorism, continue to demonstrate such a high level of training, then Russia will have no choice but to organize the border with all the ensuing consequences.

Or - Kazakhstan should reconsider its policy, which in recent years smacked of clear Russophobia. But this is already on the conscience of Tokayev, who is now expected to wrest all power from Nazarbayev with all the ensuing consequences. In Astana, purges are already expected in the state apparatus, law enforcement agencies and ministries.

To be honest, there is no certainty that Tokayev will revise the programs he has approved. Kazakhstan has long since turned from Russia to Turkey, and this did not happen yesterday. And here the fault is not only of the leadership of Kazakhstan, there is also a huge share of the blame on Russia, whose openly toothless external course only leads to a decrease in influence.

They are trying to compensate for the loss of influence in the post-Soviet space by flooding the former republics of the USSR with money. More than three trillion rubles were spent in Kazakhstan for various programs, but the result?
The result is a reduction in the Russian population, a reduction in Russian schools, the deprivation of the state status of the Russian language, and so on.

But Russian rubles in the Republic of Kazakhstan are digested with great pleasure. And they will do it in the same way as in other republics that are firmly attached to the Russian wallet. After all, Russia also has a tradition of forgiving debts ...

The situation is unpleasant and with a very bad outlook


Kazakhstan is a country that will never reach the civilized level. The Zhuzes will not allow this, in any case it will be a slightly veiled Middle Ages based on clan rule. And while the clans will turn the country around, while the leaders will come up with orders named after themselves and install golden statues for themselves - Russia with its approach cannot be calm.

First of all, in spite of how the epic in Kazakhstan will end, we urgently need to consider the issue of creating a reliable border with Kazakhstan. No matter what the authorities of this country say, no matter how events turn.

Either there is a border that, if necessary, will reliably protect Russia from everything that may appear from the other side, or we will have to constantly extinguish fires in this country with the lives of our servicemen.
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  1. Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 7 January 2022 14: 32
    +29
    Everything returns to normal. Construction of a formula that already existed - the USSR.
    With all my might, in other words, in other ideas, in other forms of interaction ...
    But nothing is able to come up with a new and better.
    In a toga, everything returns to the old. Though not perfect, but working.
    It is possible not to return ...
    Then the simple big letter Jo will increase and grow with other letters, up to the formation of a full-fledged word.
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 7 January 2022 14: 58
      +45
      It is necessary to annex the primordially Russian territories from Kazakhstan.
      1. Alexander Kruglov
        Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 15: 13
        +1
        This is an extreme option if the situation gets out of control like in Afghanistan.
        1. zenion
          zenion 7 January 2022 15: 25
          +2
          If the situation does not get out of control, so it will be created, at least on the Internet. Nobody will investigate them.
      2. Most polite
        Most polite 7 January 2022 17: 47
        .
        Are you going to annex or, as usual, will you lead from the couch?
        As I understand it, all those who have noted this topic will now begin to lay bricks on an industrial scale, indignant, as suddenly, Kazakhs are suddenly unhappy with such comments and dare to consider you all as rabid Natsiks.
        Without the help of the CSTO MS, our army and police coped with the bandits and looters, do you understand or not?
        And we need to upload screenshots of all these full-time wishes about the partition and plundering of my country in Kaznet so that people know what to prepare for. There were few marginalized and dispatched Cossacks from Afghanistan, so even under the guise of allied assistance from the CSTO, Russians dream of completely different things.
        Only now what the hell will come of you, we will not give up our statehood to anyone. Our dead boys, soldiers, cadets and policemen, whose heads were cut off and shot right on the streets, did not go into battle, so that someone would then occupy our country.
        1. sleeve
          sleeve 7 January 2022 18: 32
          +78
          Well, as I understand it, are we already occupiers? Can you put your Kazakh screenshots from the Treasury to us so that it is clear for your attitude towards us? What are you preparing for? To the fact that someone will cut off your land? So you were not particularly worried when the former Russian regions were appropriated. You would better draw conclusions with whom you kiss on the gums and how they hold you for dunce. And what about Russian Vanya? He will come, see that you do not trample each other, and will go back. Maybe it will stay, if you ask strongly, since you cannot build a normal country. But nobody will help you build. You yourself will collect all your rakes. Do you speak for the police and for the security forces? That's all right. Right . This is heroism. Because victory. What if defeat? I don’t know for you, but they would be put on their knees just like on the outskirts. And then the specificity would have been flooded with blood. Better tell me, how did this heroism become possible in the state? How did it happen that you had thousands of armed and organized bandits on the streets, the akimats burst into flames, and the shops "got rid" of their contents? How quickly did your security forces go from collecting tribute on the road or at the railway station to death in battles? Didn't you notice? Again, everyone is guilty around, and the Kazakhs are heroes in one person. Didn’t ask why this order on the use of weapons came into being? Is it because Vanya the Russian sided with you and your loss became incredible? No thanks. Not accustomed, especially from neighbors. Quit the hatred and begin to understand yourself. And then something so far only on us and recoup.
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            1. sleeve
              sleeve 7 January 2022 19: 59
              +42
              You know how a conversation differs from a bazaar? That's right, courtesy. Even if it is impossible to do without aggravation, polite communication does not turn a conversation of any tone into a squabble. I didn't understand with the crown. Why should I wear it? Well, that's okay, it doesn't really matter. A stream of thought about Chechens and all the others, as well as about terrorist attacks, what is it for? If it’s a reference to history, then why didn’t I remember the Soviet-Finnish and the Crimean from the Russian-Japanese? Well, here I will not manage without your personal explanation to the semantic binding of what has been said, and I myself will not assume. It also makes sense, right? You will "light up" it and we will discuss it then. Naturally, the opinion of a resident of such a serious military power with a rich military history of recent years, especially, it will be interesting to me)). As the tactical tasks of the MC contingent contradict the assertion that the position of the CSTO (and Russia, respectively, the same) in terms of support "strengthened the spirit" of your president, I do not understand the same. Last but not least, we Russians want our fighters to participate in your inter-clan (sorry inter-juz) struggle. Who is your doctor besides yourself? Well, I never want to hear about "Russian butchers". However, you will tell anyway. At the very first joint exercises with "real" Turkish friends))). By the way, where are they? Which side of your barricades? Not in the know yet? Well, let's not talk about it. As for the demands of peaceful protesters, you correctly noted)), they successfully coincided with the aspirations of some of your leaders. Well, we have one more "guest of honor" again ... What can we do, our cordiality will probably never get rid of, together with compassion and forgiveness ... Well, let's not talk about trifles. We will omit about the boobies, otherwise you somehow react within the framework of "myself", well, like not in the context of a phrase. Well, in general, I expect from you grounds for an excursion into history (about the Chechen wars and terrorist attacks), and we will discuss where is wet and where is green. Well, no, then no. Regarding the areas of LLP, why are you so? It’s not good, it’s not just culturally, however, I also "gave a thrush." It was necessary not to construct a statement, but somehow: in what year did the Kazakh SSR appear, becoming a union republic, and where did it stand out from? Well, that is, where did you get your independence, in principle, and the state as such. But in general, yes, I agree, the question arose incorrectly about the area, some times it was at the root of the matter. I’m talking about a proctologist only from people like you, to be honest, I just don’t know, I don’t use the concept in everyday life, you’ll excuse me. But there is a specifically constructive proposal - to kill the dialogue on this and that's all. You have enough problems there, and then we'll see. You yourself know that nothing will happen, and you yourself know perfectly well what you will tell about it and to whom. All the best. Take care of your homeland.
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                1. sleeve
                  sleeve 7 January 2022 21: 13
                  +36
                  All happen. Do not read the books, they are thick and do not quarrel with the author. And you don't need ...
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            2. Living7111972
              Living7111972 7 January 2022 21: 35
              +13
              I'm not ashamed of my campaign in the Caucasus, but we almost figured it out. And you have everything ahead. And what can you do, myself, I mean?
              1. Most polite
                Most polite 7 January 2022 22: 01
                .
                Well, my friends were ashamed, precisely because they did not understand it to the end. Now what ?? And although I am from South Kazakhstan, I have friends all over the former Union, because he studied with someone, served or worked with someone, and whose children, by the way, took part in these mixes.
                And what I wrote about the attacks in Pervomaisk, Budenovsk or Nord-Ost, when we sympathized and worried about all of you, means only one thing, but where were your vaunted special services, why the hell did they miss all this ??
                Now here the crowd decided to divide the territory of my country and present us as savages, but so many shoals just yesterday would have been better off being silent in a rag. Sometimes they have to look at the mirror ...
                1. Pushkar
                  Pushkar 7 January 2022 23: 44
                  +19
                  Quote: Most polite
                  I have friends all over the former Soviet Union, because he studied with someone, served or worked with someone, and whose children, by the way, took part in these mixes.

                  The usual excuse for chauvinists is "yes, I have a Jewish friend." Refugees, including those from Kazakhstan, work with me. Their city, an industrial center, once had a Russian name, and now it has a Kazakh name. And your capital named after Elbasy (now an honored guest of the Moscow region) was not so long ago Tselinograd. And the Orenburg Cossack lands disappeared somewhere ...
                  1. Most polite
                    Most polite 8 January 2022 05: 21
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                    And these refugees from Kazakhstan crawled the border at night, covering themselves with a cast-iron bath ?? So, right ??
                2. vervolk
                  vervolk 8 January 2022 07: 41
                  +9
                  you present yourself as an uncultured and uneducated and poorly educated person when you are rude in the comments and become personal, you dishonor not only your parents, who did not instill courtesy in you, but also teachers and clan and tribe and all your people ...
                3. Pete mitchell
                  Pete mitchell 9 January 2022 23: 40
                  +2
                  Honor and praise to those to whom it fell and who fulfilled their duty to the end - there can be no ambiguous interpretation.
                  Quote: Most polite
                  the crowd decided to divide the territory of my country and
                  and tell you, dear, how the planes with the Russians left Central Asia in the dashing years, and from you as well? How did your Elsanbai himself supervise the squeezing out of Russian military equipment?
                  What did you say about the mirror. ,,
            3. lukewarm
              lukewarm 7 January 2022 23: 07
              +20
              Dear, there is a CSTO treaty, there is an appeal from your legitimate president. What nafig invaders? Everyone is there except for the Kirghiz. Those are still thinking. Why only Russian claims? Somehow it does not really fit that the electorate, cut into purple boogers for the new year, turned out to be SO ready to increase gas prices: armed, combat-ready, seized the airport, police stations, etc., etc. October 1917 straight! Do you have your own Lenin there? And "power was lying underfoot," was it just necessary to raise it? What is it that the government immediately dumped into resignation? Is it because they themselves made and prepared everything? And the Russian Federation with such neighbors as the Republic of Kazakhstan will always be a loser: they were introduced - the occupants, they were not introduced - traitors, why is this your CSTO, if nothing can. Is that so ???
              1. Most polite
                Most polite 7 January 2022 23: 33
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                Listen, I understand that twitching and eternal whining is quite common on this resource, but you don't need to try it on to me, it's certainly not about me ..
                It was not I who started and did not even continue about the occupation and razing of Kazakhstan, but all this maddened crowd of commentators, who noted this primitive article.
                Here are all the claims to them and roll out.
                Well, if someone doesn’t like my words, then I’m not a gold piece, I’ll get through it all somehow.
                I just want to remind you that at one time there was the same idiot as the author of such an article, who already considered Russians to be subhumans and that they needed a prudent and civilized owner.
                If you did not see similar analogies here, then, unlike you, I understood everything perfectly and made the appropriate conclusion.
                PS my distant relative died, a teacher at the KNB Military Academy, who defended his alma mater with the cadets, his chief, Colonel Polivanov, Pavel Konstantinovich also laid his head there, and they would definitely be crazy about all these comments from "dear Russians" .. ...
                1. vervolk
                  vervolk 8 January 2022 07: 42
                  +9
                  tell me a Kazakh patriot, why did you rename the Russian cities built by the Russians? like to appropriate someone else's right?
                  1. English tarantas
                    English tarantas 8 January 2022 16: 34
                    -6
                    Why did the Russians rename the Soviet cities? Do you like to steal someone else's? Once they were united, but now you are only sharing, aren't you tired? At 91 they started, and to this day you can't agree, it's already sickening, one yells "suitcase-station-Moscow", the second yells "it's Russian, take your hands off." Guys, this is not yours at all, people with your views were plundering it all, but others were building it.
                    1. vervolk
                      vervolk 8 January 2022 16: 39
                      +13
                      see what the flaw in your logic is: the Russians built their cities. Russians created the Soviet Union. Russians became Soviet. and the Soviets then renamed their cities. For example, the Russians did not build Kazan. so they don't rename it. now we turn to RK.
                      Kazakhs did not build the city of Verny. The Kazakhs renamed it Almaty. understand? somehow illogical. trying to rewrite history and erase the memory of the Russian past of Kazakhstani cities? trying to erase the role of Russia from your history? So, as it turned out, you cannot ensure the safety of your own citizens without Russia!
                      1. English tarantas
                        English tarantas 8 January 2022 17: 08
                        -2
                        Firstly, I do not want to be in a close relationship with you, and therefore, be so kind as to address me politely and tactfully on "you".
                        Secondly, don't you think that you are absolutely the same as the nationalists of the Central Asian republics divide into nationalities? What kind of Russians? Cities, factories and tracts were built by Soviet people, in the ranks of Soviet citizens there were also such people as Dzhugashvili and Dzerzhinsky, who fought with division and emphasis on nationality in Soviet times, not with culture, not with languages ​​and not with national identity (which helped to create unity among people from smaller groups to larger ones up to "Soviet" and "human"). Even the Afghans spoke then and continue to say now "shuravi", not Urus and not something else. I have already said, in the 90s, that the jackals who came here tore up everything Soviet, everything that was built before them by people of completely different views and values, and you continue this business. I repeat, I equally despise both Russian and Kazakh nationalism. But I agree with Comrade Stalin that on the territory of the already former USSR, it was, then called Great Russian, nationalism that is the most dangerous and disgusting, since it is the strongest and most widespread. This is all illogical with you, you are trying to oppose anti-Sovietism to anti-Sovietism, and it looks stupid. As a typical modern Russian nationalist, you are trying brazenly and shamelessly to appropriate the Soviet, calling it Russian, just as some Kazakhs are trying to appropriate the Soviet to the Kazakh, which they fought in the old days. So you are trying to erase and rewrite history, calling everything with new names, now the Victory is not common, but "ours", without the communists, who built a country capable of conquering and brought up citizens of this homeland who were striving to protect and even without allies, who, although enemies ideological, but they also have a human and it helped, because in fact both "them" and "us" have one interest, your interest is different: to share everything and gnaw each other for a piece.
                        So, as it turned out, you cannot ensure the safety of your own citizens without Russia!

                        Do you and zoldat share schizophrenia for two? He thinks that I am from Ukraine, you think that I am from Kazakhstan. Are you already so mired in your fantasies and division into friends and foes that if a person does not agree with you, then he is definitely “on the other side” because “there are no such people among us”? Even communicating with you is unpleasant.
                      2. vervolk
                        vervolk 8 January 2022 17: 10
                        +10
                        listen. you don't know your own story. Kaike were such "Soviet" people building the city of Verny? Go learn not from a Kazakh textbook before arguing.
                      3. English tarantas
                        English tarantas 8 January 2022 17: 24
                        0
                        Lol. The city of Verny was founded as a fortress, that is, on bayonets and Cossack whips, but it was built by working peasants, including local ones. The Soviet state is the state of those same workers and peasants who, being Russians themselves, did not want to deal with the Russians who founded this city. But this argument is so-so, to put it bluntly mediocre.
                        But the fact that at the time of the revolution there was not even 50 thousand of the population, and in 1989 more than a million people lived there, most of whom considered themselves primarily Soviet people is a fact. There was a village, there was a millionaire, and who was building what? Or should the owner be not the one who built it, but the one who blew his nose first?
                        Well, this, treat shizu, I have never even been to Kazakhstan.
                      4. vervolk
                        vervolk 8 January 2022 17: 37
                        +8
                        when the faithful city was founded, there were no workers or peasants around. Only the Cossacks of the Smerechinsky Cossack army. Whose CAPITAL he was. Foreigners wandered around the Kazakhs, to protect against whom this city was founded. For they loved to attack trade caravans in Khiva. Bukhara and Samarkand. Now about your unfair manipulation of numbers. at the time of the revolution there were 50 thousand people in Verny, but in Omsk, for example, only 200, the population of Novosibirsk is also 50, the population of Krasnoyarsk is also 50, the population of Tomsk is 100 thousand, so if you compare this with the similar, then it is not such a small and provincial city - quite on the scale of its "classmates", but with the coming to power of the Bolsheviks, it was immediately renamed and began to flirt with Kazakh nationalists in order to create a counterbalance to the Semirechye Cossacks ... and it was then that the Bolsheviks began to lay this mine under the RK with their mediocre national policy!
                      5. d1975
                        d1975 9 January 2022 10: 19
                        0
                        Read the history of Semirechye, how the Soviets destroyed everyone and everything, i.e. Cossacks and everything connected with them. If not for them, the Kazakhs would have lived in yurts, and maybe they would have been carved by the Dzungars or the Chinese.
                      6. aglet
                        aglet 9 January 2022 15: 05
                        +3
                        "but it was built by working peasants, including local ones."
                        at that time, the locals only grazed other people's sheep, and could not build anything, they simply did not know how. or somewhere in the steppes of kazakhstan is Bukhara? or urgench? Or is it all the same Tselinograd with Semipalatinsk?
                      7. Lionov
                        Lionov 8 January 2022 23: 27
                        +5
                        What are you persecuting here, and Russian Guryev, this is now Atyrau, from which my relatives were forced to leave, selling everything for a pittance, because the kumysniks simply made their life unbearable, the same made in the USSR, like a lot of other Russians cities donated by the Soviets to kumis bowls.
                2. Living7111972
                  Living7111972 9 January 2022 13: 31
                  +1
                  Just about, the Russians were fighting to the death! And as for where our special services were, at that time the bosses of the banks and mines were divided ...
                  And the operas were with us, two curators and both died in Grozny ...
                  Dragon 1 and 2 ....
        2. Andrey Stavropolsky
          Andrey Stavropolsky 7 January 2022 21: 19
          +21
          Well, what for do you need? Will return as it was, steppes and gamna. You did not have a country and never will. The land transferred by the Bolsheviks to take away and good luck.
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            1. lukewarm
              lukewarm 7 January 2022 23: 11
              +5
              I do not know when who was buried. Together fascists, this should be remembered. And do not pay attention to rabid land gatherers. The only thing is that squeezing out the Russians and hugging our enemies will not be forgotten soon.
            2. silver_roman
              silver_roman 8 January 2022 02: 44
              0
              who and when did you bury? Lord ... of course nonsense vche is wild, but when there is already an outright lie ... brother-Kazakh, go sleep it off ... in your country. Nobody needs your pk for free. You need a reliable border, but you in your republic for 30 years of independence could not provide this either. If you can't, they will do it for you. your dear Mirikans or Turks .. Who else are you building there, you would have peacefully set up the wach nvlezhnykh for a long time and did not ask anyone. the time for talking with idiots has passed.
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                1. silver_roman
                  silver_roman 8 January 2022 12: 04
                  +1
                  sarcasm you do not understand either. certainly not a brother, we do not need such brothers. in general, I told you everything. I hope there are not many people like you in the Republic of Kazakhstan. otherwise, the trouble will be, for you in the first place.
        3. silver_roman
          silver_roman 8 January 2022 02: 30
          +12
          you with your current snot and weakness of nichrome cannot decide. If you were somewhere in South America, but you are burning with a blue flame, but at the beginning there is a common border. Artificial, like Kazakhstan itself. But what it is ... for now. And counting on the fact that you can control it is like giving a grenade to a child or a monkey. So don't talk about "your country" here .... "patriot" fucking
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        4. Grits
          Grits 8 January 2022 04: 42
          +12
          Quote: Most polite
          Only now what the hell will come of you, we will not give up our statehood to anyone.

          You have already shown your statehood and ability to run the state in all its glory. And this state is too much for you (by the way, donated by the Russians), learn to manage at least one region. Around Almaty, at least.
          1. Most polite
            Most polite 8 January 2022 05: 16
            .
            You should go to the doctor, another chopper, maybe it's not too late ...
            1. kyznets
              kyznets 17 January 2022 15: 24
              -1
              In order to take away the territory from Kazakhstan, Russia only had to wait until your "protesters" swept away the legitimate power, as was the case in Ukraine, and then enter and take away what was once not even the Russian Empire, but the RSFSR, before the formation of the Kazakh SSR . But instead, Russia came along with the CSTO peacekeepers and helped your statehood stand on its feet. Of course, we understood that in less than a week the Kazakhs would call us occupiers, nationalists and chauvinists, and they themselves would become heroes and legendary warriors. I was in December 1986 near New Square, on Satpaev Street. All two days from morning to night. There was no difference between what I saw then (your heroic "zheltoksan") from what I saw now on YouTube. They also slaughtered cadets-border guards and avokushnikov, policemen, just Russian passers-by. But on the second day they were quickly pressed down, caught and imprisoned, kicked out of the institutes and the university. But now they are heroes fighters. It was your heroic KNBs who gave away the arsenal, the police and the army allowed them to commit atrocities. Let's be honest. Kazakhstan is an artificial geographical formation, living due to the fact that it is located between two neighbors - China and Russia, which so far benefit from its existence, and which have not yet divided it among themselves. Not the fact that Russia needs it. I don't know about China either. But if Turkey, England or America were in the place of Russia, or if Russia and China were not next to Kazakhstan, just as neighbors, then Kazakhstan would be no different from Turkish, Iranian, Iraqi and other Kurdistans, or Afghanistan. White Anglo-Saxon Sahibs, or Turkish sultans, would be in charge in Kazakhstan. But Russia does not need your territories, it is necessary to put its own territories in order, raise and restore them after perestroika and democrats. That's why we didn't let you fall apart THIS TIME. But we don't need to test our patience.
              1. Most polite
                Most polite 19 January 2022 15: 44
                0
                Let's be honest, you might also want to see a doctor, all of a sudden it's not too late?? Chauvinism and imperial stupidity on this resource are already familiar to me, so nothing surprised me.
                Better take care that the Turkic-speaking peoples of the Russian Federation suddenly do not want a state without corruption, nepotism and police lawlessness .. and we will solve our problems somehow ourselves.
                1. kyznets
                  kyznets Today, 06: 39
                  0
                  Thank you for not switching to "you" in the conversation! I preferred to leave your country for Russia in 94, because in the case of further residence in Alma-Ata and in Kazakhstan, I had to learn Kazakh already seriously, get used to the fact that Russians here are second-class people, chauvinists, imperialists and occupiers. I left because I considered and still consider Kazakhstan to be your country. Yes, it so happened, historically and geopolitically, that this territory is yours. Yes, the Russians built cities, roads, factories, schools and universities. But this is your country, and it's up to you how you feel about it. And we, Russia, decide how to treat you. Everything is interconnected. Yesterday, Russia decided to help Kazakhstan and your leadership in maintaining legitimate power. Today we have withdrawn our troops, having completed what we came for. But we all understand that some action is also required of you, so that the next time, if necessary, Russia will help again. And your hysterical and aggressive accusations of chauvinism and imperial stupidity, as well as threats on behalf of the Turkic-speaking peoples of the Russian Federation, do not contribute to the kind and good attitude of Russians towards you, towards your territorial integrity and towards your state. We, Russia, do not need new territories. We have over there, the Far East, Siberia and the North are still to be mastered and mastered. And the "Turkic-speaking Poles" - proud, greedy and self-confident, like new fellow citizens, are all the more unnecessary. Farewell to sim! smile
        5. Sirocco
          Sirocco 8 January 2022 07: 23
          +8
          I know the mentality of the inhabitants of Central Asia not by hearsay. And there was order until the USSR had a tough policy of governing these republics, and it consisted in the distribution and management of the administrative apparatus, the first persons or second persons in the administration of the republic were necessarily Russians, second local, and according to one aksakal in a private conversation, in the 80s, thank you Russians for holding leading positions, ours are not allowed, we will cut each other, clannishness and religious propaganda is the main problem on which these republics will not be independent states.
          1. stels_07
            stels_07 8 January 2022 10: 43
            0
            The same thing in the North Caucasus Federal District
        6. vervolk
          vervolk 8 January 2022 07: 28
          +4
          Oh yes, but if my grandmother had something, she would be a grandfather! We know how you would cope. Here your cowardly KNB officers come out raising their legs up and surrendering their weapons to the extremists, but your cowardly military men lie with their muzzles in the mud like rams and look around fearfully! https://yandex.ru/video/preview/?text=kazakh %20military %20from %20kamaz %20 surrender %20 by raising% 20 & path=wizard&parent-reqid=1641616050339593-12216467172383348729-sas3-1000-06c-sas-l7-balance -BAL-8080 & wiz_type = vital & filmId = 4319
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_IjBmLHRx5s
          show THIS in kaznet, see what kind of army and security you have built in 30 years of independence!
          cowardly incapable of combat. You are now saying that there were no orders of any kind, they were waiting for something, so this is also an indicator of the uttermost powerlessness and impotence of the authorities. In fact, while the CSTO troops did not enter anything, neither your army nor the police were capable of! Now you are a good training ground for the Russian Federation before the clearing of Hollandia. And also the opportunity to work out the system, when, at the request of a member of the CSTO, you can legitimately bring in troops and clear the territory. For example, you can then be admitted to the CSTO, Transnistria or the LPNR or even Serbia .... even if this time Putin temporarily decides to preserve the Kazakh statehood, it will be until the next social explosion. and it will happen again sooner or later. Because the corrupt national security system is incapable of identifying the cells of radical Islamists and they will only grow stronger and sooner or later will make a new attempt to "emirate" Kazakhstan. And then, all the same, the issue will have to be resolved through territorial changes. This is the fate of Kazakhstan and you cannot change it.
        7. vervolk
          vervolk 8 January 2022 08: 13
          -1
          but it was the special forces of the Russian Federation that cleaned Verny in two days
        8. Kaufman
          Kaufman 8 January 2022 08: 18
          +6
          Don't be nervous. You see who is hanging here on the site - couch patriots, hidden nationalists and chauvinists. Well, the author is Skomorokhov, he makes so much noise, you can't take him seriously.
          Everything is normal, in Russia normal people support you. You can handle it. Difficult situation, but you can handle it!
          And we condole with the families and friends, colleagues of those killed in the performance of the Defenders of the Motherland.
          1. Pushkar
            Pushkar 8 January 2022 11: 39
            +1
            Quote: kaufman
            Everything is normal, in Russia normal people support you. You can handle it. Difficult situation, but you can handle it!

            Sorry, I would like to clarify. Whom do you consider normal people - Gozman, Zilbertrud (in the everyday life of the Bulls), Ulitskaya, etc., hyping on hatred of their people and state? Are we not enough of them? And to whom do you address with words of support - to marauders, bandits, nationalists?
            1. Kaufman
              Kaufman 10 January 2022 05: 56
              -1
              I have no idea who you listed here. Words of support sent to families and friends of the fallen warriors
          2. English tarantas
            English tarantas 8 January 2022 16: 40
            +1
            Oh, an adequate person. Not a divider, not a urapatriot. They would forever divide everything and everyone into black and white, they themselves do not see how they have become like all those who are called enemies. Nationalists are bad, regardless of whether he is Kazakh or Russian, I despise such on all sides. But an ordinary person is always closer to me, I have nothing to share with a Kazakh, and I will sympathize with his problems.
          3. Most polite
            Most polite 8 January 2022 18: 49
            +2
            Thank you, 5-6 adequate people still stayed on this resource, I thought it would be less.
            It's funny and incomprehensible when, in response to all the attacks of local urya-patriots against my country and nation, you are immediately declared a Natsik and a savage request really some kind of insanity ...
            1. Kaufman
              Kaufman 10 January 2022 05: 59
              -2
              And this despite the fact that no one at the moment understands anything about what is happening. However, conclusions based on completely insufficient information and rumors are made completely wild.
        9. Stepan S
          Stepan S 9 January 2022 13: 28
          +1
          what the hell will come of you, we will not give up our statehood to anyone.

          So you have nothing to give, what kind of statehood does Kazakhstan have or did? All these are songs of Kazakhs, not statehood.
      3. hwostatij
        hwostatij 7 January 2022 18: 55
        +3
        It is necessary to annex the primordially Russian territories from Kazakhstan.
        What for? What to do with them?
        1. English tarantas
          English tarantas 8 January 2022 16: 41
          0
          So you can sell
      4. Lara Croft
        Lara Croft 7 January 2022 21: 30
        +3
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        It is necessary to annex the primordially Russian territories from Kazakhstan.

        Russian soldiers, then at least there will be something to fight for ... and who to protect ...
        The border of the Russian Federation with the Republic of Kazakhstan must be closed now, since refugees from the Republic of Kazakhstan burst into the Russian Federation immediately after the holidays, without waiting for how everything will end in the Republic of Kazakhstan ...
        Maybe now the Government of the Russian Federation will understand that the Russian Federation already needs irregular formations in peacetime, and not the RG, which is larger in number than the Army of the Russian Federation ...
        1. lukewarm
          lukewarm 7 January 2022 23: 13
          -5
          The government of the Russian Federation still lacked these formations! And against whom is the Russian Guard?
          1. Lara Croft
            Lara Croft 7 January 2022 23: 48
            -3
            Quote: unwillingly
            And against whom is the Russian Guard?

            Western hostile "behind the scenes" .... and her fosterlings here ...
            1. lukewarm
              lukewarm 11 January 2022 15: 57
              -1
              Lara, it was sarcasm, if that. I mean, WG is more than enough.
              Quote: Lara Croft
              "backstage" .... and her fosterlings here ..

              definitely not about me.
        2. bayard
          bayard 8 January 2022 05: 33
          0
          Quote: Lara Croft
          Maybe now the Government of the Russian Federation will understand that the Russian Federation already needs irregular formations in peacetime, and not the RG, which is larger in number than the Army of the Russian Federation

          Are you talking about arming and empowering the Cossacks?
          Or PMCs?
          It would be desirable to have militarized settlements on the southern borders. With the powers of the Border Troops and the National Guard. That's just 7500 km. borders ... then it is better to really return the lands of the Great Army of the Ural and Semirechensky to Russia and implement all this on them.
          Unless, of course, everything there quickly settles down, they will restore the status of the Russian language, Russian schools, the representation of the Russian people in power and the abolition of all Russophobic laws and decisions of the past 30 years.
          We have Baikonur on lease there, and it is still important.
          And oil, gas and other resource companies for some reason there belong to those who launched this entire scenario (coup), and now they are calling for the surrender of the authorities.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 8 January 2022 13: 07
            +3
            Quote: bayard
            It would be desirable to have militarized settlements on the southern borders.

            There are only guards in the country! Who will work? !!!!!!
            1. bayard
              bayard 8 January 2022 13: 57
              +1
              But were the Cossack border guards "guards"? Did the bourgeois guard the junk?
              Or is it not work - to guard the borders, to maintain order on the outskirts?
              What do you suggest 7,5 thousand km. to keep the borders of the steppe if the power in Kazakhstan collapses (spat, knocked on wood)? Where can you recruit so many border guards?
              I suggested thinking about the revival of militarized settlements like the Cossack villages on the borders of the Empire. Allocate land for economic activities, exempt from taxes (because people carry the border service), allocate loans and lifting for the arrangement, vehicles, weapons, communications and powers.
              Let the Cossacks set up gardens as before, run farms - without taxes. And they guard the border. And the status of such military settlers should be appropriate.
              Approximately as it used to be with the Cossacks.
              After all, I didn’t offer to plant them on their salaries, but to exempt their economic activities from taxes and provide them with status.
              Cossacks in the Empire were equal in status to one-court nobles.
            2. vervolk
              vervolk 8 January 2022 15: 08
              -4
              and who works for the Arab sheikhs?
      5. d ^ Amir
        d ^ Amir 7 January 2022 21: 56
        .
        Respectfully, but rather Kazakhstan has the right to present territorial claims against Russia up to Kazan in history
        1. d ^ Amir
          d ^ Amir 7 January 2022 22: 00
          -6
          The subtlety is that the development of these lands is possible only as part of Russia ... everything is as usual, the Russian occupation must be deserved
        2. lukewarm
          lukewarm 7 January 2022 23: 14
          +6
          Amir, Let him present, now is the time! Aha ... What about Kazan only? Take the Kremlin too
          1. Grits
            Grits 8 January 2022 04: 56
            +7
            Quote: unwillingly
            What about Kazan only? Take the Kremlin too

            And also Yakutia. For the completeness of the great Turan. Digest? They have their own statehood within a radius of 10 km. they cannot digest from Alma-Ata.
        3. silver_roman
          silver_roman 8 January 2022 02: 46
          +11
          your Kazakhstan has existed for more than 30 years. everything else is fairy tales, exaggerations and distortions of history.
        4. bayard
          bayard 8 January 2022 06: 10
          +5
          Quote: d ^ Amir
          Kazakhstan has the right to present

          Even a WORD of this kind did not exist in nature, let alone nationality.
          And even more so - statehood.
          Until 1935, when, at the suggestion of Kaganovich, the federal republic of Kazakstan (Cossack Stan) was isolated from the RSFSR, one letter was replaced in the name and ... Turkestan, ..... Kazahi ...
          And the name invented by the communists stuck.

          Then Kaganovich proposed this for the sake of fighting the self-determination of the Cossacks of the Great Host of the Urals and Semirechensky.

          And to equate ourselves with the Kazan Tatars lol , who are essentially Bulgars ...
          You should at least look in the mirror next to them together.
          And for enlightenment - the Ural and Semirechye Cossacks are the descendants of those very Mughal Tatars of Genghis Khan. The clan of his (Genghis Khan) son, the Khanzhins, were hereditary atamans of the Great Army of the Ural and Semirechensky. One of them brought his Cossacks to the Borodino field in 1812 and together with Platov (ataman of the Don Army) in that battle became famous for a raid in the rear of the French army. Another of his descendants commanded a shock army in ... Kolchak's army in civilian ...
          And during the war of 1812, another descendant of Genghis Khan (Batu was also in his ancestors) became famous ... drum roll ... Denis Ivanovich Davydov.
          He also has poems about it:
          "Blessed memory of my ancestor Genghis Khan
          A mischievous swashbuckler with an arshin mustache
          On a daring horse, like a whirlwind before thunder ... "
          Look at his portrait lol , try to find "Mongolian" features.
          The fact is that my grandfather is from the ancestral village / stanitsa of the atamans of the Khanzhins.
          And if you want to see HOW the "Mongol-Tatars" looked, then look at their direct descendants - the Cossacks, who still live in the Cossack Stan. Close to you . But they call themselves as it should be - Russians.
          The fact is that the word "Tatar / Tatars" means - warrior / warriors, swordsmen. From the word "thief" - to cut.
          And MOGOLY means - POWERFUL, powerful, strong.
          So the "Mughal Tatars" are "mighty warriors". Russians, of course. From Siberia .
          And the word "Cossack" means - border guard, which is what the Russian Cossacks actually did.
          So, when they start talking to me about the "Mongol-Tatar yoke", I laugh and start humming:
          "Blessed memory of my ancestor Genghis Khan" ... "
          ... and I propose to look at the portrait of his descendant.
          And on the surviving portraits of Genghis Khan we see a handsome Caucasian man with a long mustache and in a Russian caftan ...
          And his beloved wife Borte is a fair-haired beauty in a European medieval dress.
          By the way, Denis Davydov looks like his ancestor ...
          1. Kaufman
            Kaufman 8 January 2022 08: 28
            0
            Wow .... What werewolf in a white coat prescribes such pills for you ?! here zhezh rushing then, ah!
        5. d1975
          d1975 9 January 2022 10: 31
          0
          You did not have statehood, at most, it's a couple of yurts of the steppe
      6. Akuzenka
        Akuzenka 10 January 2022 14: 22
        0
        There is no need to talk about gratitude, this is the way the country has. I am sure they will not be particularly grateful even in Kazakhstan itself.
        Yes, let the "gratitude" of the RK express itself to the departure of its northern part back to Russia. And we will not give up the western part, along the entire coast of the Caspian Sea.
      7. ghby
        ghby 11 January 2022 10: 57
        0
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        It is necessary to annex the primordially Russian territories from Kazakhstan.

        The North can run away with the entire territory right now, if it is given the will, and the Kazakhs will run ahead of the Russians. But Kazakhstan cannot be torn apart. Having torn off the north, we will get Afghanistan to the south, this is not possible. The whole Kazakhstan should be in the sphere of interests.
    2. Mar.Tirah
      Mar.Tirah 7 January 2022 15: 22
      +39
      Quote: Sloboda0
      Everything returns to normal.

      Not everything is so simple with these people. Even in the golden years of the existence of the USSR, they did not want to live in our political system, did not recognize our civilizational path of development. I personally witnessed this when, in the late 60s, our village in Taldy, Kurgan Region. was divided into two parts like a time machine. on their side are clay yurts, without fences and vegetable gardens, clean grass and manure from livestock all around, no light, no roads, and on our side there is concrete, semi-detached houses with household plots of irrigation ditches, water conduits along the house for irrigation in which water from the river was run twice a day, electricity, a garden, a school, a cinema, opposite a small airport across the street. through the village, herds of sheep in the morning to pastures and back in the evening. International disunity was complete, but the authorities turned a blind eye to this status of coexistence. that Kazakhstan should be returned to its original historical status. The south should be given to Uzbekistan, the west - by Kyrgyzstan, the east by China, and the north should be returned to Russia. So let the Kazakhs decide in which part they will agree live.
      1. Sloboda0
        Sloboda0 7 January 2022 15: 53
        +4
        Just because you can't try to row one size fits all. Nobody says that the Union should repeat the mistakes of the past.
        There are a bunch of people in my circle who do not want all the benefits of civilization. They want to live in a tribal system. Grow crops and livestock. Live in huts. Have 5+ children in families. I even know a couple of people who sold out and left. One generally somewhere to the north in the village.
        This is nothing like that.
        The art of management is precisely in creating a system where, although there will be clear rules, there will also be a distinction in the organization of life of communities that are completely different in nature.
        In principle, there are enough people with brains. You just need to work with them and that's it. And let the rest live in the villages as they did. There is nothing like that. Vice versa. Any sensible born resident will sooner or later leave this WILD boredom to study in the city and replenish with fresh blood this or that more organized community.
      2. Paul
        Paul 7 January 2022 16: 41
        +12
        It will be like with the Arabs in Palestine - the bulk of them dream of arranging life in a prosperous Israel. Those who succeed - are silent in a rag, and the majority of those who have broken off radicalize and take revenge on the non-accepting side. So the Kazakhs will burst to us, because it is somehow sour with the Kyrgyz and Uzbeks, in China it is easy with the death penalty, and Russia, at the expense of its own, will shelter even fierce nationalists.
      3. victor50
        victor50 7 January 2022 20: 31
        +5
        Quote: Mar. Tira
        Even in the golden, prosperous years of the existence of the USSR, they did not want to live in our political system, did not recognize our civilizational path of development.

        And I witnessed the opposite, true friendship. Perhaps it seemed. But this seems to be any friendship, regardless of nationality.
        1. Mar.Tirah
          Mar.Tirah 9 January 2022 16: 53
          0
          Quote: victor50
          And I witnessed the opposite, true friendship

          I also have this. The Kazakh officer is still a friend of mine, like the neighbors in Petropavlovsk Kazakh. Yesterday, even in Vatsap, they sent news that they were doing well so that they would not worry, everything was stabilized and the Internet was given ... But these are the Kazakhs. , who passed with us fire and water, wandered across the country from large cities and villages of the regional centers of central and northern Kazakhstan. But I also had such stupid soldiers and a sailor that I was ready to kill for stupidity. Well, they are not adapted to live in civilization, even burst !!!!!
      4. Andrey Stavropolsky
        Andrey Stavropolsky 7 January 2022 21: 21
        -5
        We don't need Kazakhs. Land is needed, infrastructure, Kazakhs are not needed
    3. Konstantin Shevchenko
      Konstantin Shevchenko 7 January 2022 16: 05
      0
      We gave away the cities of the Cossacks, now we remember the border with nomadic peoples. Not only for 100 years, nothing has changed, but also since the time of Tartaria.
    4. fsgt
      fsgt 7 January 2022 16: 15
      +11
      "Everything is back to normal." it's hardly. modern Russia has little guts to go openly against the Western master. besides, the ussr is the main enemy of modern russia, at least for its elite.
    5. vervolk
      vervolk 7 January 2022 16: 27
      .
      Well, the eseseer turned out to be an unviable garbage ...
      1. victor50
        victor50 7 January 2022 20: 33
        +5
        Quote: vervolk
        Well, the eseseer turned out to be an unviable garbage ...

        And what about the viability of THAT now, are you sure? Reading your comments, even in the dreary day, you doubt.
        1. vervolk
          vervolk 8 January 2022 07: 47
          -5
          I'm sure. and is ready to support and protect this confidence
          1. victor50
            victor50 8 January 2022 10: 30
            +4
            Quote: vervolk
            I'm sure. and is ready to support and protect this confidence

            Trofim: Generals on the parquet fronts are innumerable .... After the fighting in Chechnya was going on and there was a massive mowing out of the service, I least of all believe in statements like "Let's repeat ..." and those like yours. Personally, I was taught to do first, and then to brag, and that was not encouraged, well, if it was completely unbearable .... It seems that now the opposite is true.
            1. vervolk
              vervolk 8 January 2022 10: 40
              -4
              Well, this does not concern me personally. and moreover, at least in the second dripping, there were 2-4 people per seat who wanted to go. I am sorry for you that you lived in some particularly cowardly region.
    6. Roman Skomorokhov
      7 January 2022 17: 32
      +1
      Quote: Sloboda0
      Then the simple big letter Jo will increase and grow with other letters, up to the formation of a full-fledged word.


      And this word will probably be - happiness?
      1. IS-80_RVGK2
        IS-80_RVGK2 7 January 2022 21: 03
        +11
        Roman, and when you wrote this article, and rolled out claims to Kazakhstan, the thought did not visit you that we certainly do not have zhuzes, but for some reason the situation is painfully similar?
      2. Sloboda0
        Sloboda0 7 January 2022 23: 30
        +2
        If we die, for some it will be quite happiness. This is always the case.
        And so I generally say that the alignment has developed. Further no options. Or in its entirety in any Union formula or any other contractual and civilized forms - or dériban. I do not see any other outcome there.
        Well, it's just that Kazakhstan is an important territory. Resources are all the same ... the border with China. 23 thousand tons of uranium per year are mined against 3 tons in the Russian Federation. This is not a joke...
        As long as China is the TOP world economy, and the Russian Federation is a power with a powerful military potential, it is impossible for Kazakhstan to be in a calm state between them. No one will leave them alone. What is happening now is just lightning.
        Therefore, my personal opinion is that either the Republic of Kazakhstan will be in one form or another conglomeration with the Russian Federation, or the United States will be sawed to pieces, with some participation of China.
        For the most part, the puzzle was formed without RC.
        I think it depends on them how civilized everything will go and what will be the volume of participation of the people as a whole in the life of the state. Practice has shown that the participation of the people in the US colony is zero, and what the Russian Federation and China will offer them - the current situation and its development will show.
    7. Silhouette
      Silhouette 7 January 2022 20: 11
      +2
      Quote: Sloboda0
      Everything returns to normal. Construction of a formula that already existed - the USSR.

      Don't be naive. The USSR needs the CPSU. The Communists are needed for the CPSU. And where can we get them? .... For Kazakhstan, it is necessary to organize external management. This is the only way out.
  2. steelmaker
    steelmaker 7 January 2022 14: 34
    +25
    The military cannot leave now. End Russophobia. Punish those responsible for inciting it. Significantly cruel, so that others would not be familiar. Schools, television, propaganda are Russian. Stalin did not finish off the Banderaites, now it backfired. To clean up all the nationalists. In the 90s in Kazakhstan, a lot of Russian "blood was shed", it was time to return the favor. In general, Kazakhstan should become Russian or about Russian, whichever is more convenient for you.
    1. 75 Sergey
      75 Sergey 7 January 2022 14: 48
      .
      Or at least Chinese
      1. mitroha
        mitroha 7 January 2022 15: 08
        -5
        or we will have to constantly extinguish fires in this country with the lives of our soldiers.

        And many of our servicemen laid down their heads in Kazakhstan? Or, you, Roman, are you trying on the role of a prophet?
    2. Alexander Kruglov
      Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 14: 55
      -4
      Everything that you suggested is possible, but on the basis of 30 years of nationalist propaganda, Nazarbayev will require a lot of Russian blood. Are you willing to pay that price?
      1. Starover_Z
        Starover_Z 7 January 2022 15: 06
        +20
        Quote: Alexander Kruglov
        Everything that you suggested is possible, but on the basis of 30 years of nationalist propaganda, Nazarbayev will require a lot of Russian blood. Are you willing to pay that price?

        Yes, you can't force anyone to be friends now, and it won't be friendship either. It is necessary, like the West, to teach them to young people in a "pro-Russian way", give loans purposefully with conditions of use, and not to plug holes and at interest. And in this vein to provide the requested assistance, and not under the inflated vows of "eternal friendship"!
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          1. timson off
            timson off 7 January 2022 18: 46
            +6
            That is, before Putin, under Yeltsin and Gorbachev, everything was chocolate, and V.V. messed up everything? Did I understand you correctly?
            1. victor50
              victor50 7 January 2022 20: 52
              +5
              Quote: timsonoff
              That is, before Putin, under Yeltsin and Gorbachev, everything was chocolate, and V.V. messed up everything? Did I understand you correctly?

              I think it’s wrong. And yes, what have you named? But for 20 years, you also need to be responsible, and not blame everything on your predecessors.
            2. lukewarm
              lukewarm 7 January 2022 23: 22
              +6
              Not chocolatey. The previous "both two" still "laid a mine" in which our guarantor is guilty of either Lenin or Stalin. And the sapper has been looking at the mine for twenty years. Well, she banged. "She drowned"
        2. Rubi0
          Rubi0 7 January 2022 16: 05
          0
          Another reform of corporate governance, it sounds beautiful)) but in fact, as in Ukraine, the G7 ambassadors did to put their protégés in all supervisory councils. The head of the national security is like a Kazakh, and the supervisory board that approves him necessarily by competition, half are Russians with a decisive number of votes. A beautiful scheme for the layman, inaccessible to understanding
        3. AAK
          AAK 7 January 2022 17: 01
          +12
          In general, friendship is a two-sided concept. And we don't need love from Kazakhs. If the Russian leadership still has common sense, it is necessary not to provide assistance to the former "fraternal republics", but simply to buy back what is of interest to our state, factories, mineral deposits, and just territories. Moreover, the transfer must be formalized through the parliaments of former neighbors, they say, taking into account sincere gratitude, etc. ...
    3. Bez 310
      Bez 310 7 January 2022 15: 11
      -8
      Quote: steel maker
      The military cannot leave now. End Russophobia. Punish those responsible for inciting it. Significantly cruel, so that others would not be familiar.

      Have we occupied Kazakhstan?
      Well, in any case, there are no legal grounds for bringing in our army.
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 7 January 2022 16: 12
        0
        And we did not bring the army there ... we brought in the peacekeeping contingent, which the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan asked about ... be careful ..
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 7 January 2022 16: 27
          +10
          Quote: vitvit123
          a peacekeeping contingent was brought there

          In connection with the events in Kyrgyzstan in 2010, the President of Russia, speaking to journalists at the meeting of the SCO heads of state in Tashkent, said that the criterion for the involvement of the CSTO forces is the violation by one state of the borders of another state, which is part of this organization. In connection with the unrest in Kyrgyzstan, he said: “We are not talking about this yet, because all the problems of Kyrgyzstan are rooted inside. They are rooted in the weakness of the previous government, in their unwillingness to meet the needs of the people. "
          Why have we now brought parts of our army into Kazakhstan, calling them a "peacekeeping contingent"? Has some state violated the borders of Kazakhstan?
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 7 January 2022 16: 28
            +9
            Why have we now brought parts of our army into Kazakhstan, calling them a "peacekeeping contingent"? Has some state violated the borders of Kazakhstan?

            Just a policy of double standards.
          2. vitvit123
            vitvit123 7 January 2022 16: 32
            -9
            We brought in there with a contingent of people with a mandate of peacekeepers .. these are not military in the sense of military for the war, these are peacekeepers, but the fact that peacekeepers all over the world are military, and not (for example) a teacher or a doctor, I think this should be clear ..
            President of Kyrgyzstan asked for the introduction of peacekeepers? And when was it? So that time goes on and circumstances change ... and the fact that you diligently pull the owl on the globe is also clearly noticeable ..
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 7 January 2022 17: 39
              +8
              Quote: vitvit123
              So the time goes by and the circumstances change ...

              What circumstances have changed?
              In both cases, we see outbursts of people's dissatisfaction with the actions of the government, without any violation of the borders of states from the outside.
              Enough about the "peacekeepers", and stop talking about the "owl".
              Speak to the point if you have something to say.
              Better not say anything, your position is clear.
          3. timson off
            timson off 7 January 2022 18: 48
            -2
            Everything is changing, and the views on the decisions made too. Experience, so to speak, suggests the fallacy of past decisions.
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 7 January 2022 19: 00
              +2
              Quote: timsonoff
              fallacy of past decisions

              What is this fallacy?
              Why are we in Kazakhstan now? What are we afraid of? What are we expecting? What do we want to achieve? Hatred of Russia? This is how it is already manifesting itself, the "Liberation Front ..." has already been created.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 7 January 2022 20: 45
                -3
                The mistake is that then it was not necessary, but now it is necessary ... yesterday I did not need to leave the house and I said that I would not go anywhere, but today I needed to leave and I went! Those. I do what I think is necessary, at one time or another.
                And stop pulling the owl onto the globe!
                And for those who are in the tank ... the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan asked our president, in the ODKB format, to help with the suppression of terrorists!
                1. Bez 310
                  Bez 310 7 January 2022 20: 46
                  +2
                  Quote: vitvit123
                  and now you need ...
                  The President of the Republic of Kazakhstan asked our President, in the ODKB format, to help with the suppression of terrorists!

                  Why "now you need"?
                  Specify the tasks of the CSTO, which terrorists should be "suppressed" there?
                  Since when did the indignant citizens of the country become terrorists? Yes, there are marauders among them, there are hooligans and even murderers, but these are the objects of the actions of the police-militia, and not the army of another state.
                  And leave that owl alone already!
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 8 January 2022 12: 14
                    -4
                    What if the police can't cope? Then what should the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan do?
                    1. Overlock
                      Overlock 8 January 2022 13: 10
                      +6
                      Quote: vitvit123
                      When what should the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan do?

                      Shoot himself as he is the creator of this system
                      1. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 8 January 2022 13: 19
                        -4
                        Well, you could think of such a decision, but the president of the Republic of Kazakhstan found something else ... that's why he and the president ...
                      2. Overlock
                        Overlock 8 January 2022 13: 21
                        +4
                        Quote: vitvit123
                        the president of the Republic of Kazakhstan found something else ... that's why he and the president ...

                        Certainly! How can you give up your dough, and even try to become a sultan! Men are ruined by women, grandmothers and power, some lower rank are ruined by alcohol
                      3. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 8 January 2022 13: 27
                        -4
                        It's boring with you, because what you write is already known before ...
                        Key words of your comments: corruption, change of power, loot, oligarchs, bunker, etc. not interested .. sorry ..
              2. Grits
                Grits 8 January 2022 05: 12
                -1
                Quote: Bez 310
                Why are we in Kazakhstan now? What are we afraid of? What are we expecting? What do we want to achieve?

                So that we don't have a second Ukraine under our belly. And so that Turkish troops, together with NATO members, do not stand at the doorstep of Chelyabinsk, Orenburg and Omsk.
                And it doesn't matter what methods it will be done.
                1. Bez 310
                  Bez 310 8 January 2022 08: 39
                  +4
                  Quote: Gritsa
                  And so that Turkish troops, together with NATO members, do not stand at the doorstep of Chelyabinsk, Orenburg and Omsk.

                  Why don't you care that "at the doorstep" of Kamchatka there are American troops "together with NATO members"? "At the threshold" of Vladivostok is Japan, with its demands for the return of the Kuriles.
                  Tired of these "mantras" about "under the belly", and "at the door" ...
                  1. Grits
                    Grits 8 January 2022 12: 13
                    -5
                    Quote: Bez 310
                    Why don't you care that "at the doorstep" of Kamchatka there are American troops "together with NATO members"? "At the threshold" of Vladivostok is Japan, with its demands for the return of the Kuriles.

                    You, probably, are bad friends with geography. Then let's speak in everyday language.
                    Your house is on the banks of a wide river. And behind it lives your enemy. And to come to your house and make a brawl, he needs to swim across the river. But at this moment you can throw stones at him. But on the other side of your yard, your neighbor suddenly began to love your enemy very much and let him into his house and his yard. And you and this neighbor don't even have a fence between the gardens and the front garden. And therefore, the likelihood of a massacre has increased dramatically. And already on the doorstep of your house you can expect "guests" with knives at any time of the day or night.
                    So clearer?
                    1. Bez 310
                      Bez 310 8 January 2022 13: 26
                      +1
                      Quote: Gritsa
                      You, probably, are bad friends with geography.

                      I am very good "friends with geography", I had to study on duty.
                      But I don’t understand you. Your slogans about Ukraine, Turkey and NATO are simply ridiculous. Yes, if our population had a little more money, we would have occupied this Turkey long ago, regardless of "nature." In the meantime, we are limited only to the coast.
                      Okay, let's stop this fruitless conversation.
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      3. vervolk
        vervolk 8 January 2022 07: 50
        -5
        legal basis - the CSTO treaty and appeals from the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan
        1. Bez 310
          Bez 310 8 January 2022 08: 31
          +6
          Quote: vervolk
          legal basis - the CSTO treaty and appeals from the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan

          The CSTO was created for collective security in the event of an attack from outside, and not to perform police functions in cases of citizens' protest against the government's social policy.
          1. vervolk
            vervolk 8 January 2022 10: 03
            -3
            terrorists and extremists carried out an armed attack on the authorities and infrastructure of the Republic of Kazakhstan. Well, that's all - they themselves gave grounds to clean them right on the streets without trial or investigation!
            1. Bez 310
              Bez 310 8 January 2022 10: 19
              +2
              Quote: vervolk
              terrorists and extremists carried out an armed attack on the authorities and infrastructure of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

              A big question about terrorists ...
              But this is all - the internal affairs of Kazakhstan, this is their inter-clan showdown, why are we there?
              1. vervolk
                vervolk 8 January 2022 10: 24
                -3
                that is, you want to say that cutting off the heads of cadets of the border service is a local Kazakh flavor and not the handwriting of international terrorists?
                But seriously, the RF needs a security buffer and not a radical Islamic state close by. The Russian Federation will not obediently sit and watch as, within the framework of "internal decisions and local issues", an enclave of the Taliban or another emirate of igil is formed on its border. what then to bomb them with aviation? no, it's better now to go in one special forces brigade and establish such order that is more profitable than the Russian Federation
                1. Bez 310
                  Bez 310 8 January 2022 10: 28
                  +5
                  Quote: vervolk
                  on its border, a Taliban enclave or another igil emirate is formed.

                  Do not invent!
                  Everything that is happening in Kazakhstan is an inter-clan showdown, and not at all the Islamization of the country. Do not drag religion and international terrorism here.
                  1. vervolk
                    vervolk 8 January 2022 10: 43
                    -5
                    Do not lie! everything that happens in Kazakhstan is the consequences of flirting with nationalists and inaction of the KNB in ​​tracking and persecuting ethnic Kazakhs who have experience of fighting in the Middle East as part of loser formations, as well as flirting with radical Islamism, which is already forming its extremist cells inside Kazakhstan!
                    and in proof for this very reason. apparently, the former head of the KNB was accused of treason.
                    1. Bez 310
                      Bez 310 8 January 2022 10: 54
                      +3
                      Quote: vervolk
                      Do not lie! everything that happens in Kazakhstan

                      Sorry, but further communication does not make sense.
    4. Third district
      Third district 7 January 2022 15: 48
      +12
      Quote: steel maker
      Stalin did not finish off the Banderaites, now it backfired.

      And how much dirt was poured on Stalin. Bloody tyrant, killer of millions. As soon as he was not called. But when the Bandera members felt the slack and raised their heads, it turned out that Comrade Stalin was too humane.
    5. Cosm22
      Cosm22 7 January 2022 16: 29
      +17
      Quote: steel maker
      Punish those responsible for inciting it. Significantly cruel, so that others would not be familiar.

      On pent tout / aire avec les baionettes excepte s \ 'y asseoir.
      If it’s bad with French, I’ll bring in three words the meaning of the Spanish proverb: you cannot sit on bayonets.
      You can try to sit. For a while.
      But you can't sit still.
      Isn't the whole history of the world teaching some people anything? What did they do at school? At the institutes?
      Yes, the excitement will now crush. Bayonets, bullets. But will problems disappear from this?
      Teach the classics of Russian literature and Marxism-Leninism. They know how a flame can be ignited from the spark of a dim fire.
    6. Konnick
      Konnick 7 January 2022 16: 30
      +11
      The military cannot leave now. End Russophobia. Punish those responsible for inciting it. Significantly cruel, so that others would not be familiar. Schools, television, propaganda are Russian. Stalin did not finish off the Banderaites, now it backfired. To clean up all the nationalists. In the 90s in Kazakhstan, a lot of Russian "blood was shed", it was time to return the favor. In general, Kazakhstan should become Russian or about Russian, whichever is more convenient for you.

      Forcibly cute will not be
    7. Silhouette
      Silhouette 7 January 2022 20: 14
      0
      Quote: steel maker
      In general, Kazakhstan should become Russian or about Russian, whichever is more convenient for you.

      Only external control will save these people from internecine slaughter.
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    1. Alexander Kruglov
      Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 14: 52
      +1
      By the way, read the Russian translation of the current 1982 Constitution of the PRC at your leisure on the Internet - you get the feeling that it was copied from the 1977 Constitution of the USSR. Just compare the structure and the texts.
      1. Third district
        Third district 7 January 2022 15: 52
        +7
        Quote: Alexander Kruglov
        The 1982 Constitution of the PRC - there is a feeling that it was copied from the 1977 USSR Constitution.

        The Chinese are great masters of copying everything advanced, in this they have no equal.
        1. Alexander Kruglov
          Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 16: 03
          +7
          And why, in 1991, we voluntarily abandoned everything that was advanced and took everything back from the West?
          1. Third district
            Third district 7 January 2022 17: 22
            +5
            Quote: Alexander Kruglov
            they voluntarily abandoned everything that was advanced and took everything back from the West?

            As is usually said in such cases, Russia has its own special path. Not only do we not learn from the mistakes of others, but we often step on our own mistakes.
          2. timson off
            timson off 7 January 2022 18: 51
            0
            Why do children do contrary to mom and dad? They think that if children were deceived at least once, then they were deceived all the time and in everything ..
          3. Grits
            Grits 8 January 2022 05: 26
            0
            Quote: Alexander Kruglov
            And why, in 1991, we voluntarily abandoned everything that was advanced and took everything back from the West?

            We then decided that everything is advanced in the West, but in our country it sucks and a scoop. But the Chinese turned out to be smarter - they know how to learn from other people's mistakes.
    2. Alexander Kruglov
      Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 14: 53
      +18
      The USSR is the best thing that happened to humanity in its entire long history.
      1. vervolk
        vervolk 8 January 2022 07: 54
        -3
        oh I lived there, thanks, no more!
  4. paul3390
    paul3390 7 January 2022 14: 37
    +36
    I think that we should first of all decide what to do next with Russia. For the Kazakh Baystvo is a direct reflection of our sad reality. One to one, with just some local moire ..
    1. vitvit123
      vitvit123 7 January 2022 14: 46
      +4
      Revolution? .. but no, eradicate corruption, change of power, at least once every 10 years (you can do it once a year), stop driving the rivers abroad with all your might, well, destroy all the oligarchs, etc. here in the comments it is painted ... everything is simple ...
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 7 January 2022 14: 54
        +9
        Alas - without a revolution, that is, a change in the social system, this is not possible .. Under capitalism, only personalities change, the essence is not.
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 7 January 2022 15: 53
          .
          Have we had two revolutions over the last century (even more, but two changed the country) and that people began to live better?
          1. Alexander Kruglov
            Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 16: 07
            +10
            Better from 1917 to 1991, and much worse from 1992 to today
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 7 January 2022 17: 34
              -9
              Is it much better in the 20s, 30s? I won't say anything about the 40s - the war ... maybe the 80s? Where then is the coup from? ...
          2. Mikhail Sidorov
            Mikhail Sidorov 7 January 2022 17: 27
            +3
            Better not. Since one revolution is another counter-revolution.
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 7 January 2022 17: 35
              -3
              Well, what if before the counter-revolution (in your opinion)? .. after the revolution?
              1. Mikhail Sidorov
                Mikhail Sidorov 7 January 2022 17: 48
                +5
                Immediately after the revolution, of course, they lived badly - hunger, cold, civil war. These two events started from different foundations. One from the Great past, the other from the peasant fry. One brought the country to at least second place in the world, the other lowered it to the level of Portugal.
                1. vitvit123
                  vitvit123 7 January 2022 20: 48
                  +1
                  Well that is after the revolution, life was worse than now? And probably life was worse for a long time? .. and probably incomparably worse? ... then you want in those days or what?
                  1. Mikhail Sidorov
                    Mikhail Sidorov 7 January 2022 21: 24
                    +1
                    You are doing nonsense. You are comparing incomparable. In the Middle Ages, life was also worse and for a long time worse and probably incomparably worse, and I do not want in those days.
                    1. vitvit123
                      vitvit123 8 January 2022 12: 05
                      -2
                      Well, you got into my discussion with the person who wrote that after the 17th year life was better! , and then I just developed your idea, which you, very correctly, called nonsense ... ATP ...
                      At least look who was the first to write nonsense, about the fact that life was better 100 years ago, and then get involved in the conversation ...
                      I just often ask stupid questions about stupidity, well, so that a person starts to stupid and get nervous .., because of my own stupidity .. thereby showing the person that he is wrong ...
                      But you apparently: firstly, you are not attentive, and secondly: you don’t understand this style of argumentation, like the person who is below, tried to express himself there ...
                    2. El Chuvachino
                      El Chuvachino 8 January 2022 22: 07
                      -1
                      But do you want a revolution? War on your own land? War in the worst sense. Did I understand correctly?
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      2. Alexander Kruglov
        Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 15: 17
        +3
        This requires Lenin and Stalin and the cruiser Aurora. Well, or at least the cruiser Moscow. laughing
        1. Third district
          Third district 7 January 2022 15: 57
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Kruglov
          ... Well, or at least the cruiser Moscow.

          In Moscow - the river will not go, somewhere else it will run aground. All plans of the revolution will frustrate.
          1. Alexander Kruglov
            Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 16: 01
            +1
            And he can shoot at the Kremlin from the base. I know his performance characteristics.
            1. Third district
              Third district 7 January 2022 17: 14
              0
              Quote: Alexander Kruglov
              And he can shoot at the Kremlin from the base. I know his performance characteristics.

              As we remember, the cruiser Aurora entered the Neva and fired a blank shot from a cannon. That was the signal for the beginning of the storming of the Winter Palace.
    2. steelmaker
      steelmaker 7 January 2022 14: 51
      +5
      As long as Putin is in power, the rich will get richer and the poor will be poorer.
      1. Alexander Kruglov
        Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 15: 18
        +4
        And so on until the very red dawn of the next revolution.
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 7 January 2022 15: 51
        -3
        Those. Is it all about Putin? And I thought that this is the essence of humanity, when your personal will always prevail over the public ... and when Putin was not there, the rich got poorer (well, there are regional committees, district committees, the Central Committee, etc.), and the poor got richer (collective farmers especially ) ...
      3. Canis aureus
        Canis aureus 7 January 2022 18: 33
        -3
        As long as Putin is in power, we will not have as in 404 or Kazakhstan.
        Or have you forgotten the 90s?
        1. victor50
          victor50 7 January 2022 21: 00
          +1
          Quote: Canis Aureus
          Or have you forgotten the 90s?

          And also the Mongol-Tatar yoke! laughing
    3. ViacheslavS
      ViacheslavS 7 January 2022 17: 12
      +6
      Not probable degree of violence:
      The Nazorbayev family:
      Daughter: Dariga Nursultanovna - Chairman of the Senate of the Parliament of the Republic of Kazakhstan (2019-2020)
      her kids:
      Aliev, Nurali Rakhatovich- 2007-2008. - Chairman of the Board of Directors of JSC "Nurbank" [4].

      2008—2013 - Managing Director - Member of the Board of the Development Bank of Kazakhstan [4].

      From December 2013 to December 2014 - President of Transtelecom JSC [4].

      From December 19, 2014 to March 16, 2016 he worked as a deputy akim of Astana city [5].

      Since August 4, 2016 - Chairman of the Board of Directors of Transtelecom JSC [4]. In October 2016, it was announced that Nurali Aliyev had bought out 49% of the shares of Transtelecom JSC [6].

      Nazarbayev's second daughter
      Kulibaeva, Dinara Nursultanovna -The richest woman in Kazakhstan, a shareholder of the Halyk Bank of Kazakhstan. According to Forbes magazine, in 2017, personal fortune is estimated at $ 3,1 billion (No. 938 in the world and No. 4 in Kazakhstan
      Since 2001 - member of the Board of Directors of JSC KazUMOiWL.

      Since 2004, the chairman of the board of directors of KBTU JSC.

      On June 1, 2017, at the session of the General Meeting of the National Academy of Sciences of the Republic of Kazakhstan, she was elected an academician of the department of social and humanitarian sciences in the field of "pedagogy".
      still husband: Kulibayev, Timur Askarovich - President of the National Olympic Committee of Kazakhstan, Chairman of the Kazakh Association of Oil and Gas and Energy Complex Organizations "Kazenergy".

      third daughter Nazarbayeva: Aliya Nursultanovna Kazakh public figure and film producer. The youngest daughter of the first president of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev. Laureate of the State Prize of the Republic of Kazakhstan in the field of literature and art (2018).

      her husband Dosanov, Dimash Gabitovich - General Director and Chairman of the Management Board of Kaztransoil JSC and President of the National Basketball Federation of the Republic of Kazakhstan.

      I only walked up the tops if you look, nephews, matchmakers, etc., all with positions, business.
      1. lis-ik
        lis-ik 7 January 2022 18: 01
        +10
        Quote: ViacheslavS
        I only walked up the tops if you look, nephews, matchmakers, etc., all with positions, business.

        Is it different with us?
  5. Yuri Filippov
    Yuri Filippov 7 January 2022 14: 39
    +2
    North, west, south.
  6. codetalker
    codetalker 7 January 2022 14: 40
    +10
    I will reveal to Roman the secret of Polichinelle. Not only Kazakhstan, not a single post-Soviet state, except Russia, has taken place and could not take place. It is known which of the peoples living on these lands is the state-forming one.
    What to do? Everything has already been done with Kazakhstan. Although you can't tell from the picture in the media, it all ended there. Yes, for a long time (maybe months) it will be necessary to deal with individual performances and cells. But the strategic issues have been settled.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 7 January 2022 14: 49
      +2
      Exactly.

      All this is being muddied by the United States in Kazakhstan. Well, a normal person will not trample because of someone doubling the price of the street! Over the past few years, prices for everything are growing, and incomes are falling - but we are not on strike! (C)
    2. Asad
      Asad 7 January 2022 14: 57
      -9
      I may be wrong, but it seems to me that Petrov and Bashirov completely completed the task?
    3. Nikolay1987
      Nikolay1987 7 January 2022 15: 00
      +4
      They are already all emaciated wolves, waiting for their neighbor, the bear, to bend in order to have time to devour and join him for the last time.
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 7 January 2022 15: 47
        +1
        Well, they have to wait a long time for this)
    4. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 7 January 2022 15: 22
      0
      Quote: codetalker
      except for Russia, did not take place and could not take place.

      Have you been to the Baltics for a long time? In Turkmenistan?
      And by what theses do you assess the state of Russia?
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 7 January 2022 15: 45
        +6
        You don't have to be there. Although he was. I estimate it according to objective criteria. For a state to take place and have sovereignty to one degree or another, its people must have all the competencies for life at the modern level. These are many areas of knowledge and skills. Defense, energy, agriculture, medicine, finance, management theory, etc., etc.
        The Baltic "states" that you gave as an example are not states at all. These are territories on which the statehood of other (real states) is realized, and which, due to political necessity, were given the appearance of states. Previously, it was the Soviet Union, now the United States. If tomorrow the owner of the Baltic states wants all their inhabitants to die (well, that’s going to come to mind), in a week all the Balts will die out.
        Turkmenistan has a greater statehood, but this statehood is at the level of the 14th century. Dumping her is also very easy.
        Russia, of course, is still gaining its sovereignty after the collapse of the late 20th century. But we can say that in many industries this has already been done. The most problematic are finances (Russian finances are managed from abroad) and information policy (our media is, for the most part, treacherous). There is still a lot of work ...
        1. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 7 January 2022 16: 02
          +14
          Quote: codetalker
          These are the territories on which the statehood of other (real states) is realized,

          Well implemented by the way. High-quality medicine, lack of bureaucracy, everyday corruption. You can register a company there in 20 minutes on the Internet. The average cost of living for a family of 3 in Estonia is about 700 euros. This is with the rental of housing and with a medical policy. The minimum wage is 550 euros. The average salary (and it is really average there) is 1200 euros. I shoveled the topic, believe me.
          So, if you take the minimum wage and two working in a family, this is 1100 for two. Minus 700 euros for life, 400 euros remains.
          I have an average salary, + child benefits. There is nothing left at all.
          You understand, you can talk a lot about sovereignty, but so far the bulk of the richest country lives on the 17 voiced by Putin, when we are dependent on imports in many respects, all these shouts about Russia's sovereignty are nothing more than zilch.
          1. Nikolay1987
            Nikolay1987 7 January 2022 16: 21
            -2
            ... and live in rented housing, with all that it implies. If you have the same thing in the Russian Federation, then perhaps you are right, on account of what is there, YOU will be better. But this is not equal to EVERYONE.
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 January 2022 16: 49
              +3
              Quote: Nikolay1987
              live in rented housing, with all that it implies.

              I mean, even after renting a house, people have more free funds there.
              And in the Russian Federation I live in my own mortgage apartment.
          2. codetalker
            codetalker 7 January 2022 16: 28
            -6
            You see, this is the same as living in a luxurious, comfortable rented apartment or in a modest, but your own apartment. Yes, in a removable room it is very comfortable, but at any time they can be kicked out into the street, live in a box from under the refrigerator.
            Do you propose that the statehood of another state be realized on the territory of Russia? Are you sure that this "tenant" will be as kind to us as to the Balts?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 7 January 2022 16: 36
              +10
              Quote: codetalker
              but my apartment

              Locals live in their own apartments. I mean that today a lot of Russians go there, and they live by renting a house at first.
              And I suggest that in my richest country they think about people, and not about how to buy another mansion in London.
              1. Nikolay1987
                Nikolay1987 7 January 2022 17: 12
                -2
                So we are for this, but there are no mansions in Lithuania or Estonia, because there is no more money to come from, and well, we are a big country, not all of the forest has been cut down, not all of Siberia has been milked.
            2. Bolt cutter
              Bolt cutter 7 January 2022 22: 51
              +2
              live in a luxurious, comfortable rented apartment or in a modest but own apartment.
              In Latvia, the mortgage interest is 2.45% and you can take a mortgage too.
              A friend in Lithuania receives an allowance for 3 children (widower) - 900 euros.
              1. codetalker
                codetalker 7 January 2022 23: 14
                0
                I'm not talking about mortgage
                lending) About sovereignty and dependence.
                1. Bolt cutter
                  Bolt cutter 7 January 2022 23: 17
                  +1
                  About sovereignty and dependence.
                  What (and to whom) will the oil price drop to, say, 10 dollar per barrel?
                  1. vervolk
                    vervolk 8 January 2022 07: 57
                    -5
                    with such a fall, your friend in lithuania will be thrown out of the mortgage apartment and he will receive a shish with butter instead of benefits
                    1. Ingvar 72
                      Ingvar 72 8 January 2022 09: 41
                      -2
                      Quote: vervolk
                      With such a fall, your friend in Lithuania will be thrown out of the mortgage apartment

                      Is your processor capable of analyzing information? Do you know what area his friend works in?
                      Or if you only have to crow, and there, though it’s not dawn? wink
                      1. vervolk
                        vervolk 8 January 2022 10: 04
                        -4
                        before crowing. you would read the context of the discussion and only then fly up the fence and shake the feathers hi
                      2. Ingvar 72
                        Ingvar 72 8 January 2022 10: 11
                        -3
                        Quote: vervolk
                        you would read the context of the discussion and only then

                        Before answering, you would have looked at how it began. wink And then they would talk about feathers.
                      3. vervolk
                        vervolk 8 January 2022 10: 25
                        -3
                        I consider further discussion with you unproductive, I have lost interest in you as an interlocutor hi
                    2. Bolt cutter
                      Bolt cutter 8 January 2022 15: 16
                      -1
                      On the contrary, gasoline will become cheaper in Lithuania. (and he has his own house). The oil exporters will have fun, export addicts yes
                2. Kittymoore
                  Kittymoore 8 January 2022 00: 15
                  +3
                  How do you assess sovereignty? They say that we are so big, we have a hypersound and a vigorous loaf - we are sovereign.
                  But they are small, not visible on the map, and without a vigorous loaf, they have no sovereignty? So what?
                  1. codetalker
                    codetalker 8 January 2022 00: 38
                    +1
                    That's not how I rate it at all. Read the above described in detail. In short, a state can be sovereign if its people provide all the necessary competencies for life at a modern level. For example, many Latin American countries depend on “little Cuba” for their policies to ensure the sustainability of their health care systems with their doctors. "Spit" The Vatican is a more powerful and sovereign state than all the post-Soviet states (except for Russia) together. Although, he does not produce anything and does not defend himself. But it provides dozens of states with ideology (embodied in religion). And they cannot refuse this, and provide him with all production competencies.
                    The Baltic states do not provide themselves with anything and have never provided anything. The good standard of living there is provided by other states, IN THEIR POLITICAL INTERESTS. Formerly the Soviet Union, now the United States. As soon as the political interest in the donor state changes, this standard of living will disappear. And the Balts CANNOT influence this.
                    1. Kittymoore
                      Kittymoore 8 January 2022 00: 53
                      +2
                      The Vatican provides such ideology that it is forced to recognize gay marriage (mainstream what to do).

                      In short, the Balts live better than the Russians because you did it. OK.
                  2. vervolk
                    vervolk 8 January 2022 10: 28
                    -2
                    exactly. because both hypersound and the size of the population and the size of the territory are reflections of the role that the people play in history
          3. Kittymoore
            Kittymoore 8 January 2022 00: 22
            +8
            Weird. It seems that only Russia has taken place, but there is no way to get the Russians out of the Baltic states at all. They sit there without agroindustry and hypersound and do not understand that they are losing - statehood !!!

            And in wild Kazakhstan, 3 million Russians are sitting, although a prosperous superpower with finances and Chubais as a manager is nearby.

            It is not clear in short.
            1. codetalker
              codetalker 8 January 2022 00: 48
              +1
              Sovereignty is expensive. Here everyone just has to decide what he wants. A real independent state, where our people will determine their own destiny and way of life. On this path, there are many difficulties, overcoming, even wars ... Or agree to external management in a comfortable life. But then you have to accept everything else: spit on your ancestors (the western position on the Second World War is known), agree to LGBT for your children, and so on and so on.
              Our grandfathers and great-grandfathers fought to the last drop of blood. And one could probably surrender well, they would have been under the Nazis. And that other countries somehow lived by their hedges.
              1. Kittymoore
                Kittymoore 8 January 2022 01: 00
                +1
                The people have to pay taxes, loans and die when ordered. This is its only function. What can he define? The elites are determined, but they do not "overcome" anything, they dine in Paris.
                And you are overcoming: crises there, hunger, unemployment, wars.
                And you will live as determined by the elite.


                Here everyone just has to decide what he wants.


                These are wise words. So you, apparently, want to be a "gnome".
                1. codetalker
                  codetalker 8 January 2022 01: 13
                  +1
                  That's about the elite, you correctly identified. They rule. There are different groups in the elite. But how they manage not figured out. And management is always about the dissemination of information. Until the society within itself develops specific blocks of information that their state should be sovereign and how to achieve this, the elites will continue to "dine in Paris." Take the example of the Soviet Union. Yes, the elite passed it. But this was preceded by a change in public opinion. Why do we need this special path, our own state, they live well in the West. It took a long time to take root in the public consciousness, and as soon as this information was strengthened, the treacherous elite did their job.
              2. Bolt cutter
                Bolt cutter 8 January 2022 01: 33
                +1
                agree to lgbt for your children
                I don’t understand - you think that in the West, units of militant LGBT people with pink mops at the ready walk the streets and distribute Freddie Mercury CDs to children belay ? Or how?
                1. codetalker
                  codetalker 8 January 2022 01: 38
                  0
                  No, I don’t think so. I see that a systematic campaign is being carried out to introduce LGBT people as a norm for the majority. It is carried out by professionals, who do their job with high quality. For some 50 years, the phenomenon has passed from the inadmissible to the normal, and now it is moving to the prevailing one.
                  1. Bolt cutter
                    Bolt cutter 8 January 2022 01: 43
                    +4
                    now goes to the prevailing.
                    If you watch Russian TV, it will be obvious that it is already triumphant in Russia. laughing ... Have you been in real life in the very countries of the West? There are no more gays here than anywhere else, they just don't get beat up and humiliated - they just don't touch them. Well, blue, well, and figs with him. Something like this.
                    1. codetalker
                      codetalker 8 January 2022 03: 48
                      +1
                      No need to judge by what I saw on some kind of TV. It is necessary to evaluate according to information received from many sources. And it's not how many of them live there. I know perfectly well that there are "cities and villages" where they have not been seen. This is not the point. It is necessary to identify the processes and subjects of management that control them. Is there a company in the West in the spirit of: "Well, yes, they are like that, don't touch it and that's all, none of your business." No, not like that. Perversion is passed off as the norm. And every year more and more profound forms of perversion. And do not think that this will not affect everyone and everyone. Yes, maybe not today. But we are not only living today. And not only we live, our children, grandchildren. Look again: over 50 years, this phenomenon has passed from the category of unacceptable to the norm. What will happen in another 50 years? And this process is led by a very powerful subject of management. No joke, the Vatican recognizes the whole matter. Just imagine what place the same subject occupies in the hierarchy of the Western community.
          4. sniperino
            sniperino 8 January 2022 08: 51
            -1
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            Quote: codetalker
            These are the territories on which the statehood of other (real states) is realized,
            Well implemented by the way.
            Katz offers to surrender?
            1. Ingvar 72
              Ingvar 72 8 January 2022 09: 39
              -3
              Does it offer you? So give it up. Or have you already given up, judging by the names of those who really own practically the entire Russian economy?
              1. sniperino
                sniperino 8 January 2022 09: 55
                -3
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                judging by the names of those who actually own practically the entire economy of Russia
                Do you measure the skull in front of your court, at least? Or the names are enough for you to find the real owners of the economy ...
      2. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 7 January 2022 17: 34
        +3
        All states created after the collapse of the USSR along the administrative borders of the USSR are not viable. There have never been such states in history and never will be. There will be endless excitement and imminent decay and or absorption.
    5. Roman Skomorokhov
      7 January 2022 17: 35
      +5
      Quote: codetalker
      I will reveal to Roman the secret of Polichinelle. Not only Kazakhstan, not a single post-Soviet state, except Russia, has taken place and could not take place. It is known which of the peoples living on these lands is the state-forming one.


      In Azerbaijan, you will not only be laughed at. Laugh out loud.
      1. codetalker
        codetalker 7 January 2022 17: 49
        +10
        Laughter is said to be useful. But they will not laugh for long when the external supports that ensure its stability are removed from under Azerbaijan. It will be like in Kazakhstan, 2 days and there is no state. Tk and the first and second, do not provide themselves with a minimum sufficient set of knowledge and skills for an INDEPENDENT life.
      2. Victor Kozitsky
        Victor Kozitsky 7 January 2022 20: 58
        +9
        That is why half of the Azeris hang around (steal) in Russia
      3. Dima68
        Dima68 7 January 2022 23: 15
        +5
        21 years has shown not the independence of Azerbaijan, alas.
  7. vitvit123
    vitvit123 7 January 2022 14: 41
    +1
    Take everything, and share (joke with a grain of joke) ...
    1. Gardamir
      Gardamir 7 January 2022 15: 31
      +6
      By the way, here we can talk about your favorite topic.
      For some reason, the author is talking about Tokayev's conscience. But is it possible that the President of Russia cannot drive a Kazakh to zugzwang .. To force him to stop Russophobia, it is possible to reduce the fee for Baikonur ...
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 7 January 2022 16: 07
        -6
        My favorite topic? ... this, yeah ... surprised .... well, what you listed is clearly not my favorite topic ... I have already given you examples that you are engaged in slander (jabbering), so this is another example ...
        And specifically about your question - a proposal ... but how do I know whether he can drive the Kazakh into zugzwang or not and whether Russia needs it ... the question is vague, rhetorical ... maybe Putin is working towards the annexation of new lands, maybe everything goes on our own, but the fact that under Putin we joined Crimea, this is already a vital plus, it was the most dangerous direction and Putin stopped it ... of course I want these incomplete territorial entities (Belarus, Ukraine, part of Kazakhstan) to be under full control of Russia, as part of Russia, but such things are not done right off the bat, but first you need to prepare the circumstances and you can prepare them for a long time ...
        By the standards of history, the USSR has just collapsed, and we really want to return, but I think. This will no longer be ..
      2. victor50
        victor50 7 January 2022 21: 07
        0
        Quote: Gardamir
        it is possible to reduce the fee for Baikonur

        Why would they? Should go to those who need it. laughing
  8. Nikolay1987
    Nikolay1987 7 January 2022 14: 45
    +11
    First of all, in spite of how the epic will end in Kazakhstan, we urgently need to consider the issue of creating a reliable border with Kazakhstan.

    This should be done with any border, since small states cannot survive without patronage, they will be shaken all their lives. First, dreams of independence - divided the states, then the separated, through the WTO and the markets squeezed all the resources and left a gnawed skeleton. The Russian Federation lives off hydrocarbons and the lack of them in Europe, for the latter are solvent. Take this and we will have the same.
  9. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 7 January 2022 14: 47
    +14
    The Kazakh government itself supported Russophobia.
    We can say that we have played out.
    Recently everything was the same in Belarus.
  10. Asad
    Asad 7 January 2022 14: 48
    +15
    Yesterday I argued that the people would not be led by the provocateurs. Today, passing by the alcohol on my beloved Trolley, I saw about 40 characters who, in any confusion, will go to smash ATMs and shops. I was wrong, politics may have nothing to do with it.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 7 January 2022 14: 55
      +2
      Yesterday I argued that the people will not be led by provocateurs

      Do you mean the tops, bringing people to the handle? what
    2. yuriy55
      yuriy55 7 January 2022 14: 56
      +3
      Quote: ASAD
      I saw about 40 characters who, in any confusion, will go to smash ATMs and shops.

      I see three of these (6-8 people in the summer) every day in my shopping trips ... Every day !!!
  11. Alexander Kruglov
    Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 14: 49
    +28
    What to do next with the Russian Federation - that is the question. Kazakhstan is a socio-economic, political mirror of the Russian Federation:
    A country rich in natural resources with a beggar, robbed to the bone by the power of thieves by a powerless people and an exclusively corrupt elite, all the money, plans, children, wives, whose mistresses live in the USA, England and the EU.
    Today Kazakhstan - tomorrow Russia.
    And again, the authorities will look for "terrorists" and "extremists" who do not want to hunchback in poverty for a bowl of soup on the owners of ten-deck yachts and golden toilet bowls, look for the intrigues of those who took advantage of the real hatred and poverty of the people of the United States, England, the State Department, the CIA, the Mossad, Freemasons, ISIS etc.
    1. Revival
      Revival 7 January 2022 15: 33
      +18
      "a country with a beggar, robbed to the skin by the power of thieves by a powerless people."

      No no.
      Now, for any discontent, these are "foreign terrorists, gangs, etc."
      The main thing is to shout about it at once and louder.
  12. wow
    wow 7 January 2022 14: 49
    +9
    Yes, the first "bucha" on the territory of the USSR took place not somewhere in the Baltic States or Ukraine, but in the Kazakh SSR in November-December 1986. when the plenum of the Central Committee of the CPSU decided to remove from the post of the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan D.A. Kunaev (he was even older than L. Brezhnev) and the appointment of Sinelnikov. Then the "Kazakh public" shouted: "... a Kazakh to the kingdom ... !!!". Fire trucks in a frost of 27-30 degrees had a calming effect on the "public" very quickly. In 1985 -1993 I served in SAVO, namely in the city of Taldy Kurgan (approx. 300 km north of Alma Ata). Then we sat in full combat ....
    1. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 8 January 2022 00: 17
      +2
      What Sinelnikov? Actually, Kolbin.
  13. sailor roman
    sailor roman 7 January 2022 14: 52
    0
    Thank you, in my opinion, the article is the most sensible, with a good analysis of events and actions of officials in all designated states!
  14. yuriy55
    yuriy55 7 January 2022 14: 53
    +8
    Novel! I do not understand the message in the article: is it a collection of questions or theses of assumptions?
    You wrote:
    And the Russians - they are here. Come, put things in order. And then the "grateful" Kazakhs, depending on who wins, they will tell their grandchildren and great-grandchildren how the Russians killed them.

    Forgive me, but any nationality, where the Russian soldier-liberator has been, can be named “grateful Kazakhs”. Maybe something is perverted in the national policy of the Russian state?
    Look, listen to what the deceased gave out * (* I don’t support, I don’t propagandize, it is forbidden in Russia, therefore I’m hiding ...)

    And what if everyone thinks so about Russia who with great pleasure, not having their own statehood, lived in the Republic of Ingushetia, the USSR and suddenly ... regained their sight?
    Hitler also considered the Slavs subhuman ...
    The situation in Kazakhstan has opened up a lot ... It's time to stop resting on the laurels of the victors in the Great Patriotic War. We are not worthy of this because we missed it, profiled, allowed to plunder what our fathers and grandfathers shed their blood for ... The value of today's morality was determined by the exchange rate of the dollar and the euro.
    It turned out that morality is the lot of the physically weak, therefore the poor. True, when "divisions" of mercenaries and terrorists suddenly appear, something completely different comes to mind - we again hear: "Help, brothers!"
    And what remains?
    ... we will have to constantly extinguish fires in this (and other - also) country with the lives of our military personnel.

    hi
    1. victor50
      victor50 7 January 2022 21: 11
      +2
      Quote: yuriy55
      It's time to stop resting on the laurels of the victors in the Great Patriotic War. We are not worthy of this because we missed it, profiled, allowed to plunder what our fathers and grandfathers shed their blood for ... The value of today's morality was determined by the exchange rate of the dollar and the euro.

      +++++++++++++++++
  15. Pavel57
    Pavel57 7 January 2022 14: 53
    +5
    There is hopelessness in the words of the author ..

    A crisis is not only a challenge, but an opportunity. Let's be optimists
    1. Alexander Kruglov
      Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 15: 31
      +1
      Optimists of the Russian Federation should not sleep, but organize themselves now, so as not to oversleep, when the same thing will surely begin in the Russian Federation
      1. Canis aureus
        Canis aureus 7 January 2022 18: 42
        -4
        Will not start. Putin, thank Gd, is not going to leave the presidency.
        1. Alexander Kruglov
          Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 18: 44
          +5
          Nazarbayev was not going to either. However, in a day I packed up and flew out.
          1. Canis aureus
            Canis aureus 7 January 2022 19: 17
            -7
            Quote: Alexander Kruglov
            Nazarbayev was not going to either. However, in a day I packed up and flew out.

            Nazarbayev stepped down from the presidency in 2019 - this was the main mistake. Putin is not going to do this.
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        2. New Year day
          New Year day 8 January 2022 07: 37
          0
          Quote: Canis Aureus
          Thank God, he is not going to leave the presidency.

          Like Nazarbayev! Posthumously!
  16. BAI
    BAI 7 January 2022 14: 54
    +1
    The example of Kazakhstan will show the ability (or not the ability) of Russia to resist the "revolutions" organized by the United States. And the introduction of peacekeepers into Kazakhstan is a very thick hint of what will happen if the States continue to shit in Belarus.
    1. zenion
      zenion 7 January 2022 15: 32
      +6
      Have you tried to look for enemies among your own?
    2. Canis aureus
      Canis aureus 7 January 2022 19: 18
      -3
      Belarus should have been annexed back in 2020.
  17. Gado
    Gado 7 January 2022 14: 55
    +7
    Good position, Roman, only "let your ears hear, let your eyes see." What I'm personally not sure about. Good luck in the New Year!
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      7 January 2022 17: 36
      0
      Thanks, let's hope for the best.
  18. bar
    bar 7 January 2022 14: 55
    +6
    a whole range of tasks, the primary of which is the creation of a normal border between Russia and Kazakhstan.

    In addition to the border, it would be necessary for the future to create a buffer zone on the adjacent territory, 500 kilometers wide. Just before Tselinograd. Then, according to the results of the relevant referendum, include it in the Russian Federation as another subject.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 7 January 2022 18: 03
      0
      Dreams, dreams, how far from reality
      1. bar
        bar 7 January 2022 18: 18
        +3
        Reality is still far from reality. It has just begun, and the end is not near. Let's see what it will be like.
  19. Flooding
    Flooding 7 January 2022 14: 56
    +2
    Roman Skomorokhov, my compliments.
    All true.
  20. Region39KGD
    Region39KGD 7 January 2022 15: 05
    +14
    I hope Russia puts out this fire under tough and uncompromising conditions !!! It is still necessary to look for such vile Russophobic swinishness as in Kazakhstan. My hometown Almaty, in which I lived for 30 years, was transformed in a couple of years into some kind of turchatnik with its indiscriminate Kazakhization and romanization. In reality, it’s like walking around Ankara. Drive the Amerikos out of there with pissy rags, close their biolaboratory and a whole heap of NPOs. Recognition of the Crimea, the official status of the Russian language. If it doesn't, it will be just a shame!
    1. zenion
      zenion 7 January 2022 15: 34
      .
      Still, Ukrainians and other neighbors have someone to be afraid of. There is a proverb that a thief does not steal from neighbors, but who will give a guarantee?
    2. Hindu
      Hindu 7 January 2022 15: 35
      +6
      And what, there were precedents in the recent history of the Russian Federation? So that our guarantor can squeeze some preferences from partners? It seems like we do everything disinterestedly. There is no grateful "knife-in-the-back" - it's already good ...
      Relax, everything will settle down and return to the same tracks. The peacekeepers will leave and everything will continue in the same direction. For some reason, the Russian Federation is completely satisfied with its Russophobic neighbors-partners ...
  21. mark1
    mark1 7 January 2022 15: 07
    +5
    The border is good, it is necessary, but federalization of Kazakhstan is also necessary, it is necessary to highlight the northern regions with the Russian population. These will be "bridgeheads".
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 8 January 2022 07: 36
      -2
      Quote: mark1
      federalization of Kazakhstan is also necessary,

      In Ukraine, they have already demanded. Do the Zhus agree?
      1. mark1
        mark1 8 January 2022 07: 54
        -1
        Quote: Silvestr
        In Ukraine, they have already demanded.

        Not yet evening...
        Quote: Silvestr
        Do the Zhus agree?

        The Zhus to the north of Kazakhstan have the same attitude as the Bendera people to the Donbass. And who will ask them strongly after the current events.
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 8 January 2022 09: 30
          0
          Quote: mark1
          Zhus to the north of Kazakhstan have the same

          I recommend that you study the issue in detail - everything is very interesting, taking into account the present day
  22. Bez 310
    Bez 310 7 January 2022 15: 08
    +16
    I don’t know a single country that would “be friends” with us disinterestedly.
    It is high time to create a normal border with all countries and stop the practice of "feeding" the world's poorest states. All our "friends" depend on us financially, and only want money from us. It is high time to begin normal coexistence with all border states.
    1. Region39KGD
      Region39KGD 7 January 2022 15: 14
      +10
      No one is disinterestedly friends with anyone in the modern age! Do you think the Americans are licking the floor of the planet out of a great brotherly feeling? Here the question is that Russia does not know how to search, maintain, hold and, most importantly, MILK its allies! A lot of money goes to waste, zero exhaust. How loot and cheap resources to get that queue at our door, and how to support, at least verbally, on the international arena, here we have all multi-vector shl.hi!
      1. sniperino
        sniperino 8 January 2022 09: 44
        -1
        Quote: Region39KGD
        Russia does not know how to search, support, hold and, most importantly, MILK its allies!
        "Allies" should be written here in quotation marks. This is a comprador bourgeoisie in the politics of neo-colonialism, which is created by: 1) looking for the corrupt among the influential and striving to increase their influence among the natives, 2) their content at the expense of the FRS printing press and patronage in business and career growth, 3) keeping them with the help of a whip for all the natives and carrot for their keepers, 3) MILKING the colony. Do you regret that Russia is NOT the United States? So they themselves were born in colonies, they are colonies, and they will sink into oblivion. hi
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 7 January 2022 16: 14
      +1
      And which countries are friends with each other disinterestedly? Please ..
  23. Alexander Kruglov
    Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 15: 08
    +5
    If Putin does not immediately demand from any government in Kazakhstan:

    1) recognition of the Russian language as the second state language along with Kazakh, full equality of these languages ​​in all spheres of life

    2) compliance with the proportion of Russians and Kazakhs in the state apparatus of their equal proportion among the population of the country

    3) a complete ban on all Western NGOs

    4) restoration of all Russian schools and universities in areas of compact residence of Russians, in the capital and large regional centers

    5) the end of Russophobic propaganda, the closure of all Russophobic parties and organizations, the arrest of all public Russophobes

    6) permanent deployment of military bases of the RF Armed Forces in Kazakhstan

    That means the CSTO got into Kazakhstan solely for a selfish purpose - for the sake of preserving the oil dough.
    1. zenion
      zenion 7 January 2022 15: 37
      0
      One leader didn't want much either. Only that the Russians would live beyond the Urals, and whoever remains would speak German.
  24. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 7 January 2022 15: 11
    +3
    Skomorokhov is a plus.
  25. Dart2027
    Dart2027 7 January 2022 15: 12
    -2
    First of all, in spite of how the epic in Kazakhstan will end, we urgently need to consider the issue of creating a reliable border with Kazakhstan. No matter what the authorities of this country say, no matter how events turn.
    Either there is a border that, if necessary, will reliably protect Russia from everything that may appear from the other side, or we will have to constantly extinguish fires in this country with the lives of our servicemen.

    Simply put, Kazakhstan must be given to the Americans so that later they can shout that "Putin has leaked everything."
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 8 January 2022 10: 33
      0
      Quote: Dart2027
      Simply put, Kazakhstan must be given to the Americans so that later they can shout that "Putin has leaked everything."
      First, mock the "wall of Putin", putting him on the level of Yatsenyuk, and then shout. The idea of ​​Russia's self-isolation before the war has already been heard in the past. Islander level.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 8 January 2022 10: 39
        0
        Quote: sniperino
        First, mock the "wall of Putin", putting him on the level of Yatsenyuk, and then shout.

        This is what all these "fighters against the regime" want.
  26. HAM
    HAM 7 January 2022 15: 12
    +14
    Why the special services and police of the Republic of Kazakhstan turned out to be helpless ---- yes, because all these, so to speak, "warm places" (it means getting some power) were engaged by pull, "the right people" and individual clans, and not professionals and patriots (real, and not Natsik) ... and here's the result, some cadets turned out to be real ...
  27. Palmyra
    Palmyra 7 January 2022 15: 13
    +6
    "There is a huge share of the blame here, too, on Russia, whose openly toothless external course only leads to a decrease in influence."

    All other questions are useless. The West has come to plunder, they have no other choice, the time has come, that's it. What questions can there be? This means that Russia needs to reconsider its influence in the post-Soviet space, otherwise Russia will lose.
  28. Ramon Mercader
    Ramon Mercader 7 January 2022 15: 16
    -9
    Lord, it's good that the author is not the President of the Russian Federation. Not an article but "Chief, everything is gone" (c).
    1. Region39KGD
      Region39KGD 7 January 2022 15: 22
      +3
      well wait then for these aksakals on the streets of Kazan. Tatarva has already been seen on the maps of the Great Turkish Turan along with the Kazakhs.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      7 January 2022 17: 38
      +1
      Quote: Ramon Merkader
      Lord, it's good that the author is not the President of the Russian Federation. Not an article but "Chief, everything is gone" (c).


      Here is who would speak, Mr. Hans Ramon Mercader under the Ukrainian flag, who would speak ...
      1. Ramon Mercader
        Ramon Mercader 7 January 2022 18: 04
        -1
        Roman, if for you the "flag" is a criterion of assessment, I am sincerely sorry for you. Personally, I prefer to consider issues on the merits, regardless of what nickname (or flag) the account has. It's more important to me what a person says and why he says it. Of course, this is my approach, and it is not generally binding. You (like any other person) have the right to judge as you please. But to tell you honestly, I do not like your articles (in the overwhelming majority) precisely because of naked criticism. Why naked? Because criticism without concrete proposals for correction borders on obstruction. And this, as some people like to say, is counterproductive.
        By the way, this is my second account, the first one for some reason does not respond to the password, so I had to create this one. And the first one was registered on 16.12.2011/XNUMX/XNUMX. So I've been here for a long time.
        1. Roman Skomorokhov
          7 January 2022 20: 58
          0
          Quote: Ramon Merkader
          Roman, if for you the "flag" is a criterion of assessment, I am sincerely sorry for you.


          Nothing, I will definitely survive. Yes, the flag is the criterion for the assessment. You have there, of course, everything is beautiful and correct, and the president is anywhere.

          Quote: Ramon Merkader
          criticism without concrete proposals for correction, bordering on obstruction. And this, as some people like to say, is counterproductive.


          You are talking utterly stupid. I don't have to offer anything. The job of a journalist is precisely to point out the problem. And it should be corrected by those who receive a salary for this, but not me.

          Of course, this is not the case with you, so your country ... Yes, ahead of the rest of the planet. And precisely because the person pointing to the problem must find methods of solving it and do everything himself, because you will soon have paradise in a single country.
          1. Ramon Mercader
            Ramon Mercader 7 January 2022 21: 13
            -1
            And our president, by the way, looks like you (in fact, you have a "speaking" surname), he also believes that he does not owe anything to anyone. Paradise will not come anywhere, and even more so in our country, especially in the near future.
            And this is not me saying nonsense: "Criticize-offer. Offer-Do. Do-Answer" (c) I. Stalin.
            And you ... I have already expressed my attitude to your "creativity" (it does not dare to call it work), I see further discussion with you devoid of meaning.
            All the best, Roman, Merry Christmas to you.
          2. sniperino
            sniperino 8 January 2022 11: 39
            +1
            Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
            The job of a journalist is precisely to point out the problem.
            Pointing to a problem and throwing all kinds of negativity in order to blame one person for everything are two directly opposite actions. Both by their results and by the competencies required for this action.
        2. victor50
          victor50 7 January 2022 21: 20
          +1
          Quote: Ramon Merkader
          because criticism without concrete proposals for correction borders on obstruction. And this, as some people like to say, is counterproductive.

          You just don't see them, most likely because you don't want to, because it's inconvenient.
          1. Ramon Mercader
            Ramon Mercader 7 January 2022 23: 07
            -1
            I do not see them because they are not there. Moreover, Roman himself said that this is not his job (his job is to point out the shortcomings, and not to suggest ways to correct them).
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 8 January 2022 12: 02
              +1
              Quote: Ramon Merkader
              his job is to point out flaws
              Awful job, and harmful, I suppose. And do not journalists deal with indications of dignity and achievements? Or "this is not a journalistic business," but they all learned from Nevzorov in his 10 minutes?
              1. Ramon Mercader
                Ramon Mercader 8 January 2022 15: 14
                +1
                You quite rightly caught my idea, comrade !!
  29. Borisych
    Borisych 7 January 2022 15: 21
    +11
    Kazakhstan has never been any state, here it is, at my side. This is just a bunch of clans, clans, families who hate each other cool, but quietly, in a homely way.
    1. Region39KGD
      Region39KGD 7 January 2022 15: 27
      +6
      a bunch, but not a bunch! For 30 years, they have been quite stubbornly and successfully pursuing a directed anti-Russian policy under the patronage of the Americans under our noses! Ukrainians have begun to wear them in their arms lately.
  30. zenion
    zenion 7 January 2022 15: 24
    -4
    Where did the terrorists come from? Have they really been created in Kazakhstan for such cases?
    1. Region39KGD
      Region39KGD 7 January 2022 15: 28
      -3
      this grenade was being prepared for Russia, but it exploded at the wrong time and in the wrong hands. That's the whole alignment.
  31. New Year day
    New Year day 7 January 2022 15: 29
    +12
    God bless! There are sane people who, without fanaberism and jingoistic patriotism, as well as without calling everyone to shoot with tanks and everyone, put everything on the shelves. Kazakhstan is a mirror of Russia and whoever does not understand this can feel it later! Unlike Kazakhstan, no one from the CSTO will help, not even the National Guard. The history of Russia remembers Bloody Sunday, the Lena shootings, and Novocherkassk! Only this postponed, but did not eliminate the inevitable process. History is not a teacher, but an overseer: it does not teach anything, but only punishes unlearned lessons. Thanks!
  32. Third district
    Third district 7 January 2022 15: 34
    0
    To begin with, it is worth congratulating the great Elbasy Nazarbayev, who cowardly fled to Moscow in the first hours,

    It needs to be paid for with a ruble, Yanukovych’s neighbor should be hooked up. And there, in Kiev, they are doing business for Poroshenko. He also needs to run to Moscow, the best way out. The third neighbor will be. Make a street of former runaway presidents. lol
    1. mag nit
      mag nit 7 January 2022 16: 40
      +8
      Made from Russia a sump for filth.
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      7 January 2022 17: 39
      +4
      Quote: Third District
      It needs to be paid for a ruble, Yanukovych's neighbor should be hooked up


      Well, listen, from Moscow, and so the devil knows what they did, let's turn it into a cemetery of political corpses?
      1. Third district
        Third district 7 January 2022 18: 16
        +1
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Well, listen, from Moscow, and so the devil knows what they did, let's turn it into a cemetery of political corpses?

        Roman, this is all humor, it is a pity that you and some other commentators did not understand. But seriously, from the very beginning, I was opposed to the "salvation" of Yanukovych. Let him run to where his millions are kept in the accounts, as well as his relatives.
    3. vladcub
      vladcub 7 January 2022 17: 58
      +1
      Yanek's "neighbor to YANUKOVICH" is in Rostov, and Rostov is not made of rubber. Let another city look for
      1. Third district
        Third district 7 January 2022 18: 10
        +1
        Quote: vladcub
        "Janek is in Rostov, and Rostov is not rubber

        It has long been said that he settled on Rublevka. Think for yourself whether this is "tsarist" business, somewhere in Rostov to live.
        1. vladcub
          vladcub 7 January 2022 18: 37
          0
          "on Rublevka settled" it is not rubber at all. His to the fig, and still strangers?
          No, let them look elsewhere if it's "hot" at home
  33. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 7 January 2022 15: 47
    -1
    First of all, in spite of how the epic in Kazakhstan will end, we urgently need to consider the issue of creating a reliable border with Kazakhstan. No matter what the authorities of this country say, no matter how events turn.

    Yes, share it with the Chinese, in a ratio of 3 to 1 in our favor, and forget about this mistake of the fiery revolutionaries of October! Take the fuck out of all the northern regions that we gave them at the beginning of the last century and put only our own people in the hands of the leadership! They do not know how to build the state themselves, they will live as a colony under external control!
    And all this talk about what we can do with it (?) In the context of how to build a new Kazakhstan or build relationships with what is, all this is in favor of the poor and the weak.
    Roman, in general, I have no contradictions in relation to this article, but you cannot get off with one border here, since there it will be banal to prepare a hostile state and a bridgehead for the deployment of foreign armies. We see all this in Little Russia, and all this must be nipped in the bud, before it is too late.
    1. Sancho_SP
      Sancho_SP 7 January 2022 16: 20
      +1
      This is a question of nationalities. The territories inhabited by Asians will bring nothing but problems.
      1. Al_lexx
        Al_lexx 8 January 2022 00: 46
        0
        Quote: Sancho_SP
        This is a question of nationalities. The territories inhabited by Asians will bring nothing but problems.

        Alexander. At the level of Marxist-Leninist theory, you seem to be saying everything correctly. But in the Russian Empire (and any other Empire), the question was never raised that way. If someone did not want to live peacefully, then he was bent down harshly. The Bolsheviks, 100 years ago, planted this national time bomb, which has been exploding here and there, along our borders for almost thirty years.
        And what, then, let's separate Siberia from the European part, since there are a lot of indigenous nationalities in Siberia, and we will declare Russian Siberians as evil occupiers and bandits of Ataman Yermak, and make them second-class people. And who doesn't like a suitcase-station-Moscow. So what happens if according to your logic?
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 8 January 2022 01: 19
          +1
          Please read the entire thread of the dialogue. Above we talked about economic feasibility.

          To put it very roughly, oil fields and uranium mines are needed, but desert steppes with homeless people are not.
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 8 January 2022 15: 11
            -1
            These are rather territorial issues, and not the very principle of control over territories, which I spoke about. It's just ... I'm not very familiar with the economic map of Kazakhstan and therefore did not touch on this aspect.
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 8 January 2022 23: 48
              -1
              What is the territorial issue? To squeeze a piece of land just what would it be? This can be very, very disadvantageous.

              For Russia, it is more than enough to ensure there a strong pro-Russian get-together in power, the rest is not critical.
              1. Al_lexx
                Al_lexx 9 January 2022 01: 31
                -1
                Quote: Sancho_SP
                What is the territorial issue? To squeeze a piece of land just what would it be? It can be very, very unprofitable.

                Are you really that stupid (sorry) or you have been ordered this reaction.
              2. Al_lexx
                Al_lexx 9 January 2022 01: 33
                -1
                The very statement "to squeeze" is already very characteristic of you.
                Don't you think that everything that our Central Committee bosses once lost was the property of the Russian Empire?
                I, yes, I feel sorry for these lands, which are now creepingly occupied by our enemies.
                And you?
                Oh, yes, you have the same type of squeeze.
                Themselves, then, a lot from whom have you squeezed out? Or just picked up on cheap bandos TV shows?
                I do not think. Rather, you are one of the locusts that have occupied this resource over the past three years.
                If I am wrong, then correct me with a deep knowledge of the history of the Russian state. And if you succeed, I will sincerely pay you.
                1. Sancho_SP
                  Sancho_SP 9 January 2022 10: 18
                  0
                  Nothing to say - get personal. Clever girl;)

                  Whatever you name it, I repeat, now a territory with a population is not an asset, as it was 300 years ago, when they collected quitrent from the population.

                  By adding to Russia a piece of the desert inhabited by uneducated steppe dwellers, you will definitely get several million parasites and dependents who need to pay pensions, build hospitals, etc. With the Crimea, inhabited by only a million people, and, mainly, Russians and loyal ones, they almost overwhelmed. And here?
        2. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 9 January 2022 10: 08
          0
          No, this is your logic), in fact, there are no empires left in the world, because they are not effective. Today, territories with slaves themselves are not an asset, but a burden. There is nothing to take, but pay pensions, ensure order ...

          To Siberia already a huge amount of resources wasted. Siberia already part of the state. The state language there is Russian, the sea is minerals.

          Kazakhstan now is not part of Russia. The integration of him or his part into Russia requires a huge amount of resources that may never pay off. And why is this necessary? What would again, as in the Soviet Union, build schools and hospitals in the villages at Russian expense, and then call ourselves an occupier?
          1. Al_lexx
            Al_lexx 9 January 2022 23: 46
            -1
            Quote: Sancho_SP
            No, this is your logic), in fact, there are no empires left in the world, because they are not effective.

            You yourself have no idea how wrong you are.)))
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 10 January 2022 10: 24
              0
              Tell, argue, who is against?)
              1. Al_lexx
                Al_lexx 12 January 2022 19: 44
                -1
                Quote: Sancho_SP
                Tell, argue, who is against?)

                Those. Are you suggesting that I tell you and put everything on the shelves for you?
                100 euros per hour. wink
                1. Sancho_SP
                  Sancho_SP 12 January 2022 19: 48
                  0
                  How expensive everything is ...;)
                  1. Al_lexx
                    Al_lexx 12 January 2022 19: 53
                    -1
                    Quote: Sancho_SP
                    How expensive everything is ...;)

                    Sasha... ))
                    Do you yourself understand that you have nothing to say?
                    1. Sancho_SP
                      Sancho_SP 12 January 2022 19: 54
                      0
                      So already there are 7 posts in a row and we do not say anything, but we will find out who has nothing. Everything is fine, it happens!
                      1. Al_lexx
                        Al_lexx 12 January 2022 21: 02
                        -1
                        Do you want to speak with your voice?
                        Write in a personal.
                        Only, without this unreasonable shit that you sketched here.
                        No offense. I am ready and able to explain everything. But this format, alas, does not allow.
  34. vervolk
    vervolk 7 January 2022 16: 01
    -6
    surprisingly, but here I agree with Roman
  35. Klingon
    Klingon 7 January 2022 16: 07
    +1
    Sometimes it becomes clear why the Americans did not succeed in taming the Indians ... And then you look and we have a circle of these "Indians" full and quite wild ... Here Comrade Stalin clearly understood this and therefore distributed some farther away, where the climate is cooler, so that these Indians do not blow their roofs from the heat wassat
  36. Emergency
    Emergency 7 January 2022 16: 14
    +3
    We do not want to, but we have no other way how to fit into these events. The main thing is to take advantage of the result so that more than one mongrel would not bark against the Russian world.
  37. Egor-dis
    Egor-dis 7 January 2022 16: 14
    +8
    Either there is a border that, if necessary, will reliably protect Russia from everything that may appear from the other side, or we will have to constantly extinguish fires in this country with the lives of our servicemen.
    Since when has a secure border, especially in the long term, become a panacea for wars and fires? Yes, in general, never! The policy of isolationism, in the end, will lead to the fact that the Republic of Kazakhstan is finally occupied by either the Turks or the Americans. And they will build their bases there. Including, missile, which will also cover half of Siberia. The fact that not our rockets will be launched from Baikonur at all can not even be mentioned.
    The only way out is to strengthen ties between the two states, drawing the ROK into the orbit of Russia, not disdaining the same methods that the Americans use in Ukraine. Aggressive cross-border marketing, offers from which cannot be refused, the formation of groups loyal to Russia and acting in the interests of Russia, etc.
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 7 January 2022 17: 38
      +5
      "which Americans use" for all their antipathy to American politics, it must be admitted: they know how to influence. You can learn from this
  38. Dalmatia
    Dalmatia 7 January 2022 16: 16
    +4
    Roman Skomorokhov, five years called your articles were much shorter and more meaningful.
    And now, like the novel "War and Peace".
    No offense.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      7 January 2022 17: 41
      +5
      Quote: Dalmatia
      Roman Skomorokhov, five years called your articles were much shorter and more meaningful.
      And now, like the novel "War and Peace".
      No offense.


      Well, actually, no one has canceled the counters and restrictions, so I see, usually, how many ... Or maybe it’s you who have grown old and are not able to master what has been written? But alas, it's too early for me to switch to comics.
    2. sniperino
      sniperino 8 January 2022 12: 24
      0
      Quote: Dalmatia
      Roman Skomorokhov, five years called your articles were much shorter and more meaningful. And now, like the novel "War and Peace". No offense.
      Do you think that Roman can be very upset because of his comparison with L. Tolstoy?
      1. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 9 January 2022 10: 14
        0
        Quote: sniperino
        Quote: Dalmatia
        Roman Skomorokhov, five years called your articles were much shorter and more meaningful. And now, like the novel "War and Peace". No offense.
        Do you think that Roman can be very upset because of his comparison with L. Tolstoy?


        Judging by the answer of Roman Skomorokhov, he was greatly offended))) or he does not understand the meaning of what was said.
  39. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 7 January 2022 16: 19
    -1
    1. There are already enough non-Russian nationalities in Russia. His still to assimilate and assimilate.
    2. The annexation of some territories makes sense only if the income from them is higher than the costs of social services.
    3. It is most expedient to arrange anything on the territory of Kazakhstan with minimal forces up to a continuous Civil War, as long as Turkey / USA / anyone else does not meddle there.
  40. Li17
    Li17 7 January 2022 16: 25
    +3
    About the life of Russians ... We have Kalmykia nearby, I don’t know how it is now, but Russians were rotten, even in Soviet times they tried to run over! In Kazakhstan (he served there for 5 years), it also began during the time of Judas Gorbachev .... My colleagues left, they put candles near gasoline in their houses ... fucked up! But it's better to finally please ... (that's how the hunt will be expressed)!
  41. Elisarius
    Elisarius 7 January 2022 17: 02
    +6
    There is another interesting point about the border. Is the current border located in that place? Maybe it makes sense to equip some other border. And what do they think about this in the North Kazakhstan regions
    1. vladcub
      vladcub 7 January 2022 17: 33
      +4
      "and in the right place" is a very acute question. Administrative boundaries were drawn at random. After all, no one in a dream could have dreamed that the administrative boundaries would become state ones!
      1. Sergej1972
        Sergej1972 8 January 2022 00: 33
        0
        But in general, if national republics were created, then it would be necessary to make some reasonable boundaries for them. The thesis that it is still one state, for some reason, was one-sided, not in favor of the Russians. After all, it was possible to include part of the non-Russian territories in the Russian regions. But what, there is only one country?
  42. Lis_Domino
    Lis_Domino 7 January 2022 17: 08
    +3
    Damn, everyone is so smart, advisers - "annex !! ..."
    Guys, you must first put things in order at home! What a stupid habit - to solve other people's problems in the presence of a bunch of their own ??? !!
    In Kazakhstan - the author correctly writes - it is necessary to equip the border. But the most important thing, the very first thing that needs to be done is to evacuate to Russia the entire Russian-speaking population, every last grandmother. These are our love our brothers, sisters. And for the last 30 years they have been hostages of "good" relations between Kazakhstan and Russia. Evacuate all Russian speakers. Tokayev asked for help - because he knows that he is weak, that power will not be taken away from him this time, but next time it will be necessary. Southern Elder Zhuz is striving for power and cannot be stopped. And when he (necessarily) comes to power, then it will be necessary to build relationships with him. No snot about a common past. Forget it, snot has dried up in 30 years. And when this happens we should have a full-fledged border and there should be no hostages in the face of the remaining Russians. I was born and raised in Kazakhstan - I know what I'm talking about. Let the Kazakhs solve their problems by themselves. And you need to negotiate with the winner.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      7 January 2022 17: 45
      +3
      Quote: Lis_Domino
      But the most important thing, the very first thing that needs to be done is to evacuate to Russia the entire Russian-speaking population, every last grandmother.


      Quite so. And not with the help of outright mockery of "national programs", as was the case with the Russians who lived in Ukraine, but in a real human way.

      Quote: Lis_Domino
      Southern Elder Zhuz is striving for power and cannot be stopped. And when he (necessarily) comes to power, then it will be necessary to build relationships with him. No snot about a common past.


      Well said. Very good. Everything will be so, most likely, if they do not clash with each other.

      Quote: Lis_Domino
      And when this happens we should have a full-fledged border and there should be no hostages in the face of the remaining Russians. Let the Kazakhs solve their problems by themselves. And you need to negotiate with the winner.


      Applause.
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 8 January 2022 00: 38
      0
      But what about those areas where there are more Russians than Kazakhs? And such areas, oddly enough, even now exist in Kazakhstan. Evacuate too?
    3. falconaft
      falconaft 8 January 2022 13: 45
      +2
      "southern senior zhuz is striving for power." The senior zhuz is already in power (Nazarbayev, Tokayev). It was with difficulty that a certain balance of forces was established in KZ - the distribution of key posts by zhuz by clan and more or less adhere to this. But clashes constantly occur on the ground, when one of the zhuzes thinks that he is deprived. By the way, the current protest is partly due to the disproportion, when the main oil and gas fields are located on the territory "controlled" by the younger zhuz, and the management is carried out by the older zhuz.
      If you build relationships with one of the zhuzes (that is, strengthen it), then this can throw the system out of dynamic equilibrium and can lead to such a protest, in comparison with which the current one will seem like flowers. So the east is a delicate matter, you can't figure it out without half a liter. And how are you going to evacuate the Russian population? by force or what? Whoever wanted to leave, he left. And many feel great, consider KZ their homeland.
      1. Lis_Domino
        Lis_Domino 18 January 2022 11: 07
        0
        look at the map - if the rebellion is in Atyrau or Zhanaozen - it is the Younger who rebels, if Pavlodar, Nursultan - the Middle. Well, since there is a storm in Almaty, and this is the patrimony of the Senior Zhuz, it means that the Senior is still rebelling. In Kazakhstan, everyone rebels on their own territory. The younger Zhuz will not go to rebel on the Earth of the Elder. it is excluded from the word COMPLETELY.
    4. Egor-dis
      Egor-dis 8 January 2022 22: 42
      0
      Quote: Lis_Domino
      ... you must first put things in order at home! What a stupid habit - to solve other people's problems in the presence of a bunch of their own ??? !!
      ... the very first thing to do is to evacuate the entire Russian-speaking population to Russia, every last grandmother.
      Well, well.
      I remember that Comrade Stalin was engaged in such things. With the same good intentions (exchange of peoples between Poland and Western Ukraine). Nothing good came of it. And with any implementation method, nothing good can come of it, in principle. The only way to preserve the Russian population living in the Republic of Kazakhstan is irredent. The reunification of an earlier rejected territory and part of a rejected ethnos with the titular state. Up to the last grandmother. Also not a penny project, but orders of magnitude cheaper and less problematic than mass resettlement.
      1. Lis_Domino
        Lis_Domino 18 January 2022 12: 44
        0
        return land? But does she lie homeless? since it won’t work with Crimea, it won’t do without shooting. Are you going to fight? Relocating the Russians is much cheaper in the end - just call out - the Nazis themselves will carry them to the border with all their belongings - they will also say thank you.
  43. flicker
    flicker 7 January 2022 17: 12
    0
    Too much panic. Everything is gone, the plaster is being removed, the border is urgently built. You need to be calmer.

    Zhus will not let you do this
    Kazakhstan as a state should have died, turned into a territory of terrorism, like Iraq and Syria several years ago.
    Once again, the state of Kazakhstan would cease to exist.

    The state of Kazakhstan would cease to exist.

    And no one would ask any ZHUSOV for permission to do this?
    ---
    There could be many actors in these events: someone could start the process of settling scores with opponents: clan, political, economic.
    Someone had the idea to translate this process into complete destruction and end up with a terrorist state like ISIS. It’s not just that the United States left Afghanistan. (There is a danger of destabilization in other Central Asian states as well.)

    And someone finally saw the end of the state and was horrified. Those who seemed to be ally turned out to be predators.
    Horrified, he turned to the CSTO for help.

    And someone took it and came to the rescue and broke off a very long-cherished idea of ​​destabilizing the situation in the "underbelly" of Russia.
  44. Mikhail Sidorov
    Mikhail Sidorov 7 January 2022 17: 17
    -3
    Weak article, some kind of solid contradictions. Either there is no need to give money, then let's build a reliable border - apparently for free. Then the servicemen will die in Kazakhstan if they are there, and if the gangs reach the border, then stones will probably be thrown and no one from the border guards and the local population will die. I did not expect such reasoning from Roman. And this is a person who actively supported the Russian Spring in Ukraine.
    1. Roman Skomorokhov
      7 January 2022 17: 48
      +3
      Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
      Weak article, some kind of solid contradictions. Either there is no need to give money, then let's build a reliable border - apparently for free.


      Well write strong. At the same time teach how it should be. I didn’t say a word about money, don’t come up with it. As for the "free border" - well, you have well demonstrated the level of your education. Forgive me, at whose expense are you setting up a fence around your territory? For my? So this is your house, sort of ...

      The reader has some kind of contradictions ...
      1. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 7 January 2022 18: 20
        -2
        Novel, your proposals for resolving the issue with Kazakhstan are primitive. What border 7500 km do you imagine, how to protect it? Who will do this? Do you propose partial mobilization if Islamism blooms there, or a moat with crocodiles? And what does the level of my education have to do with it?
      2. Mikhail Sidorov
        Mikhail Sidorov 7 January 2022 18: 30
        -1
        Roman, what difference does it make to you that they will squeal in the Rain? Why should Kazakhstan call the Turkish troops, do you think it would be better for Russia?
      3. Dalmatia
        Dalmatia 9 January 2022 10: 19
        0
        Quote: Roman Skomorokhov
        Quote: Mikhail Sidorov
        Weak article, some kind of solid contradictions. Either there is no need to give money, then let's build a reliable border - apparently for free.


        Well write strong. At the same time teach how it should be. I didn’t say a word about money, don’t come up with it. As for the "free border" - well, you have well demonstrated the level of your education. Forgive me, at whose expense are you setting up a fence around your territory? For my? So this is your house, sort of ...

        The reader has some kind of contradictions ...

        Roman, do you, as a young lady, take offense at once and switch to the personality of a commentator.
        Somehow it's not masculine.
        You put up your articles for discussion, and this is exactly what happens.
        And you on any comment immediately in tears.
        Take a hit.
  45. SVD68
    SVD68 7 January 2022 17: 23
    +6
    I don’t understand why the leaders who pursued a policy of indulging nationalist and Russophobic forces in their country seek and FIND asylum in Russia?
    1. Lis_Domino
      Lis_Domino 7 January 2022 17: 29
      +12
      Yeah, and the funniest thing is that ALL THREE appeals to his people Tokayev read not in the state language, but in the persecuted and eradicated RUSSIAN language. and I did not notice subtitles in Latin.
    2. evgen1221
      evgen1221 7 January 2022 18: 26
      +2
      A thief will not squeeze money from a thief, not like a kid.
  46. vladcub
    vladcub 7 January 2022 17: 27
    +1
    Roman, I immediately recognized your style, the border cannot be established in full immediately. Need time.
    1. Lis_Domino
      Lis_Domino 7 January 2022 17: 31
      +4
      aha, 30 years was not enough?
    2. Roman Skomorokhov
      7 January 2022 17: 49
      +4
      Quote: vladcub
      the border cannot be established in full immediately. Need time


      Naturally! Seven thousand kilometers is no joke. But all the same it will have to be installed, whether we want it or not. Otherwise, we will have all this bearded automaton charm. It's simple.
      1. vladcub
        vladcub 7 January 2022 18: 47
        +3
        Probably, such thoughts will appear in Moscow as well.
        But in the 21st century. "Wall of China" is not a way out.
  47. Nitarius
    Nitarius 7 January 2022 18: 00
    0
    what kind of whining is not understandable .. it is necessary to unite again In the USSR .. what is not clear here! and Kazakhstan .. this is KAZAKOV STAN! her .. and alma ata ... return the old name .. TRUE! and basta!
    1. Lara Croft
      Lara Croft 7 January 2022 21: 57
      +1
      Quote: Nitarius
      what kind of whining is not understandable .. it is necessary to unite again In the USSR .. what is not clear here!

      First, to lose their ancestral lands, giving them, together with the Russian people, to some baiy who know nothing about the state system, and then they will unite with them, with whom they will unite with their lost lands from which all Russians were driven out during 70 years of Soviet power and 30 years of independence ....
      The Russian Federation needs to decide which lands we are returning to ourselves, and let the rest be taken by those who want to unite with the Republic of Kazakhstan ...
  48. mediumpro
    mediumpro 7 January 2022 18: 04
    +8
    And in my opinion, the events in the Republic of Kazakhstan provide an opportunity for the Russian Federation to make a good move. Bargain with the RK for certain conditions, for example. autonomy for Russian regions up to the creation of their own units of the Ministry of Internal Affairs. To put Russian military bases on the territory of the Republic of Kazakhstan, and a number of other initiatives. And then there is no need to equip any border.
    1. evgen1221
      evgen1221 7 January 2022 18: 24
      +5
      The window of opportunity is really opening up, just like with Belarus.
  49. Cosmemedic
    Cosmemedic 7 January 2022 18: 08
    +2
    All foreign agents and their media to their home countries ... the distance from the west has always been beneficial to Russia. Unfortunately, it's too early to change the cannons for oil)))
  50. evgen1221
    evgen1221 7 January 2022 18: 23
    0
    The author of the article will surely be branded a terry nationalist, how did the persecuted think it out of the Russians, what the liberal thought of what)))
    1. sniperino
      sniperino 8 January 2022 13: 10
      0
      Quote: evgen1221
      the Russians took it into their heads to defend the persecuted
      What is this? Skomorokhov's fence? It is cheaper for Russians to build a camp with guards and an industrial zone behind a thorn. Although, both options do not fit the concept of protecting the Russians.