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The moment of truth in the battle between Russia and the United States is approaching

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End of the year events presented by the Russian leadership ultimatum The United States has set the world's political agenda since the beginning of this year. The New Year's gift was presented by Putin and Biden, who held online talks on December 30, in which they discussed issues of security guarantees. This time, Putin was the initiator of the conversation, he had something to say and offer to Biden. Immediately after the New Year, another very interesting document appeared as a result of the conversation.


According to presidential aide Ushakov, Putin emphasized in the conversation that Moscow will “achieve results in the form of ensuring security guarantees for Russia", Biden"basically agreed with this point of view", And"Putin told Biden that Russia would behave the way the United States would behave in matters of ensuring its security", And Biden several times stressed the inadmissibility of starting a nuclear war.

White House press secretary Psaki got off with the usual phrases that Biden made it clear in the conversation Washington's readiness to take decisive measures in the event of a Russian invasion of Ukraine, and that “significant progress in the negotiations could be achieved by de-escalating the situation».

With this conversation, Putin confirmed the seriousness of the application to defend Russian national interests, that Russia is concentrating and is not going to yield to an insolent "partner."

On New Year's Eve, the leaders of the West, apparently, seriously thought about it and agreed to the signing on January 3, on the initiative of Russia, of the “Joint Statement of the Leaders of the Five States possessing nuclear weapons»On the prevention of nuclear war. Thus, Putin went to meet Biden's concerns about the inadmissibility of starting a nuclear war. The concluding part of the Statement is indicative:

"We are determined to engage in constructive dialogue based on mutual respect and recognition of each other's security interests and concerns."

That is, the West is ready to recognize Russia's interests and discuss them.

The declaration of the "nuclear five" - ​​Russia, the United States, China, Britain and France, may become the basis for Russia's planned talks with the United States, NATO and the OSCE. Some analysts believe this is an attempt by the "club of five" to decide the future world order no longer within the framework of the UN.

Reasons for exacerbating the confrontation


It seems that Moscow's decisive actions to defend its security came as a complete surprise to the West, and it has not yet decided on its tactics of relations with Russia at this stage. The reason for the sharp change in Russia's tone in defending its interests is the change in the balance of power in the world with the inevitable redistribution of spheres of influence and the establishment of a new world order. The old world with the hegemony of the United States is crumbling, and the new one has not yet been built, now is timelessness and everyone seeks to protect themselves from inevitable losses and conflicts. In this confrontation, the main focus is on the economic interests of states and unions.

The previously dominant liberal model of the world order, led by the United States, has outlived its usefulness. Leading Western countries have fallen into a severe financial and economic crisis and are looking for ways out of it. They need to develop new markets, while China and Russia are on this path and strive to develop new markets themselves. The United States does not want to see worthy rivals in the international arena and is taking steps in any way to prevent their strengthening, let alone unification into economic and even more military alliances.

Russia and China are forced to fight for their spheres of influence and sales markets, because without this they will not be able to stay on the Olympus of the great powers. Russia will have to return the Warsaw Pact space abandoned during the collapse of the Union and restore the buffer from the East European countries that was liquidated by the West. The enemy successfully mastered this space and approached the very borders of Russia, creating an unacceptable threat to its security, the country's survival makes it necessary to eliminate this threat.

The experience of relations with the West shows that he recognizes only force, and Moscow for the first time began a conversation with him from a position of strength, presenting an unacceptable ultimatum. The essence of the ultimatum is simple - move away from our borders, otherwise we will move you or create threats unacceptable to you in other pain points.

Russia can now allow to speak from a position of strength, since it has such opportunities, for the first time it has overtaken the United States in military-technical terms and can take advantage of it. These are hypersonic weapons, a submarine fleet, including autonomous nuclear torpedoes, a new generation of missiles, laser weapons and much more that they do not publicly talk about, but the Americans are guessing.

In addition, the United States has colossal internal problems - the highest inflation since the Second World War, unaffordable national debt, the elite and society are split, relations with European allies are becoming more aggravated, and China is confidently coming out on top not only in the economy, but is also preparing to compete. and in the military-technical sphere.

Involvement in the conflict between Europe and Ukraine


The December aggravation is not abating, the parties are holding consultations and meetings with allies, making statements and preparing for negotiations. The Americans proceed from the assumption that Russia will not be the first to start a military confrontation, and, most likely, they are seriously mistaken. According to the harsh statements of the Russian leadership, there is a sense of readiness, if necessary, to take the initiative. The Germans were also worried, the newspaper Bild reported that German Chancellor Scholz considers an important factor in building relations with Russia and expects to hold a meeting with Putin in January.

Speaking about the possible timing of the negotiations, Ushakov said:

"Let's see how the negotiations go, two or three rounds and then we will draw conclusions."

That is, Russia is not going to conduct long negotiations and wait for the US decision. The dates have already been set: January 9-10 negotiations in Geneva with the United States, January 12 negotiations in Brussels with NATO and January 13 negotiations in Vienna with the OSCE. The schedule of negotiations is very tough, while the Deputy Foreign Minister Ryabkov, upon presenting the ultimatum, said that a month would be given for its consideration, it expires on January 14, while everything is going according to the schedule.

The actions of the parties are now diametrically opposite - the United States seeks to drag out and chatter the negotiations without making any decision, while Russia insists on an early decision and the signing of binding documents. Moscow won the first victory, drawing Washington into dialogue, now it is necessary to force the Americans to the required result, explaining that otherwise, as Putin said, a military-technical response awaits.

In the confrontation between Russia and the United States, the Americans assigned the unenviable role of a bargaining chip to Ukraine, no one is going to fight for it, it acts as a decoy for provocations of Russia. To solve its financial and economic problems, the United States needs to subjugate the European market, one of the most capacious in the world. They can do this by becoming the main supplier of energy resources. The Americans need to create such a situation that the European countries themselves give up the energy resources of Russia and reorient themselves to the United States.

Such a trigger should be Ukraine, with the help of which it is possible to provoke Russia to unleash a military conflict and declare it a devil of hell, ready to invade Europe, and, taking advantage of this, lower the iron curtain on the Russian borders. They are trying to scare the Europeans with the Russian threat, emphasizing in every possible way the aggressiveness and unpredictability of Russia, provoking it to escalate the conflict in Ukraine and creating the image of unceremonious Russians, ready for any adventure, so that the Europeans shudder from a possible Russian invasion. In addition, the introduction of a de facto blockade and isolation of Russia, according to the Washington strategists, will lead to economic and political tension in the country and will contribute to the removal of the current leadership from power.

With the tightening of Moscow's position and its readiness to take extreme measures in Washington, they began to fear the complete loss of the Ukrainian bridgehead without the desired effect and began to restrain the Kiev authorities. After negotiations with Putin, Biden called back Zelenskiy on January 2, as usual - in general terms he promised support, but reminded of the need to implement the Minsk Agreements, and the talks between representatives of Russia, Germany and France held in Moscow on January 6 within the framework of the Normandy format took place without Ukraine. Kiev was taken out of the brackets, in any case it is a played card, when a military conflict unleashes without options, it will suffer defeat with inevitable occupation and denazification, and when Washington signs a Russian ultimatum, Ukraine is exchanged and goes under full control of Russia.

Consolidation of allies in Southeast Asia and Latin America


It should be noted that the confrontation between the United States and Russia cannot be considered in isolation from the confrontation between the United States and China, which is the primary threat to the Americans and a problem for them in shaping the future world order. The attempts of Biden's team to intimidate Putin with a Chinese threat on the Russian borders did not have any result, during 2021 Russian-Chinese relations only strengthened, and the Chinese leader recently said that relations between the two countries are more than allied.

It did not work to tear Russia away from China, so the Americans considered the option of tying Russia up with a military conflict in Ukraine, closing the European market and preventing a strategic Russian-Chinese alliance. Of course, the economic potential of Russia with the Chinese is simply not comparable, but China needs what Russia does not and does have - a huge military-technical potential and scientific and technical intelligence of specialists, as well as a common enemy of the United States, which pushes them to mutually beneficial union. Consolidation of markets and transport infrastructure will also be important to significantly increase the overall economic potential. At the same time, Russia should not lose its subjectivity with a possible Chinese economic takeover, the economies should not merge, but mutually integrate with the division of spheres of influence and jointly resist the hegemony of the United States.

In this regard, the United States, in addition to Europe, began to orient itself towards Southeast Asia, creating there an Anglo-Saxon alliance consisting of the United States, England and Australia, capable of organizing opposition to China. Russia is also "spilling" this region, negotiating with the leaders of the leading countries. At the end of November, negotiations were held with the head of Vietnam, who said:

"We are trying very hard to resolve issues that interest the Russian side."

In December, negotiations with the head of India, a meeting with the head of Iran has already been announced for January 19, and the visit of the head of Indonesia to Russia is being prepared. In this region, China and Russia can form a pool of states capable of quite adequately resisting the Anglo-Saxons.

In this configuration, Russia can play on the contradictions between the United States and China and be an arbiter for the countries of Southeast Asia, balancing the pressure of China and the United States and smoothing out the contradictions between China and India, China and Vietnam, as well as protecting Iran from the “suffocating embrace” of the United States. In addition, China is ready to discuss cooperation with the CSTO, while Iran is going to sign a twenty-year agreement with Russia on military cooperation and has prepared documents on joining the CSTO and SCO.

Another informal summit is planned in Beijing, Putin is coming to the opening of the Winter Olympics in early February, and the leader of India is also going to be there. It is possible that the leaders of the three countries will discuss the results of negotiations between Russia and the United States and take steps to coordinate joint actions in the light of a possible division of spheres of influence when the United States signs or does not sign a Russian ultimatum.

Another painful point in the southern underbelly of the United States is Latin America, where Russia and China have long been creating their footholds from which unacceptable damage to the Americans can be inflicted. In one of his interviews, Putin gave an example for a reason, how Washington would react to the deployment of hostile military infrastructure on the Mexican-American border, as if hinting that it would not be difficult to find vulnerabilities in the immediate vicinity of US territory.

The climax is not far off


The Russian-American confrontation is inevitably approaching a climax. Moscow's deliberate increase in rates has put Washington in conditions where it is no longer possible not to respond. The denouement in the confrontation will be resolved by the surrender of one of the parties or by a military clash. If the United States accepts the Russian ultimatum, they will be forced to leave Eastern Europe and lose face as a world hegemon with the inevitable decline of their empire.

If the ultimatum is rejected, the Americans have no choice but to give the command to the Kiev native authorities to unleash a conflict in Donbass with the future surrender of Ukraine and the lowering of the iron curtain in front of Russia. In this case, the Russian leadership will have to prepare and deliver the promised military-technical strike not only in Donbass, where the Americans are pushing them, but in another vulnerable point, which, for obvious reasons, no one knows yet.

If Washington refuses to satisfy all or the most significant demands of the ultimatum and Moscow, showing weakness, will reconcile to this without striking back, this will be the final decline of Russia as a great power and its inevitable absorption by Western civilization as a powerless raw materials appendage. With it, not only the United States, but also such political mongrels as Ukraine and Georgia, will talk only from a position of strength and demand the fulfillment of any conditions.

On the eve of the talks, Biden made it clear through his spokesman that

“We can make progress on some of the proposals, but some of them are not viable,… based on our experience, we do not negotiate publicly and because many of the proposals do not merit such a response.”

It follows from this statement that the Americans are not going to accept the Russian ultimatum as a package, excluding the most significant proposals from it. Given this position of the United States, the planned negotiations are doomed to failure.

All this suggests that the era of Russia's movement towards the West, where it is a defeated country without rights, subjectivity and future, has ended, and a new stage begins, in which the establishment of relations on other principles is impossible without the forceful redistribution of spheres of influence. The latest events in Kazakhstan have shown that the United States has not yet abandoned the forcible rejection of the post-Soviet space.

The presentation of a Russian ultimatum may turn out to be a harbinger of the beginning of a new era and so serious not only for the future of Russia, but for the whole world, that the Kremlin, apparently, had to very painstakingly calculate everything before taking such an extraordinary step.
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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 11 January 2022 11: 06
    +18
    The moment of truth in the battle between Russia and the United States is approaching
    "de ja vu" some ... I'm 60 and all the time this is ...
    1. Civil
      Civil 11 January 2022 12: 42
      +21
      the battle between Russia and the United States

      Even laughing ... in a fight for what? For a poor Ukraine with a collapsed economy? laughing
      Well, well, a geopolitical victory has come, Russia has returned Eastern Europe to its sphere of influence, so what? What does a winner have to offer to the people of Eastern Europe? Privatization or effective managers?
      Okay, to hell with the Eastern Europeans. What will non-elite winners get? Will they give you a week to plunder Prague or Budapest? What's next? Disband the army and send everyone back to look for work?
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 11 January 2022 14: 07
        +29
        I'm interested in something else - well, let's put the West send all these formidable ultimatums. AND?? What will happen next? What will be the answer? Does anyone have any sane options? WHAT can make the West hideous - Putin's RF? Even not so - she can do a lot, but now - will she dare to play seriously? But what about families in Londinium, accounts in Europe, villas in Miami, yachts in the Bahamas, and so on and so on? Well, for example, the daughter of the talking head of our guarantor lives in Paris - how difficult is it to unexpectedly find a kilo of coke from her and hide it for life? And it’s so - almost all! What the hell can there be butting something ??
        1. Secutor
          Secutor 11 January 2022 14: 21
          0
          We will import migrants like Lukashenka!
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 11 January 2022 15: 46
            -1
            Quote: Secutor
            We will import migrants like Lukashenka!

            laughing
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 11 January 2022 14: 44
          +15
          Quote: paul3390
          WHAT can make the West hideous - Putin's RF?

          And we will learn this later, from the speeches of the propagandists. They will tell you how, with what and why Putin again outplayed the West. It will look enchanting. Because of the 9 points outlined in the article on VO dated December 23, the Americans will agree to a maximum of 1-2. And there is no real opportunity to respond with something other than war.
          1. Mishka78
            Mishka78 11 January 2022 15: 59
            +9
            Quote: Hyperion
            Because of the 9 points outlined in the article on VO dated December 23, the Americans will agree to a maximum of 1-2.

            This will be declared a victory. And in principle, with zero to make 1-2 concessions from the United States, this is a victory. Small. As they say - a swing for a ruble, a blow for a penny, but nevertheless a victory.
            Another question is how the outside world will react to this. For the outside world will definitely lose to Russia. They wrote a bunch of demands, threatened with war, and in the end, got the minimum and did nothing ..
            In short - xs. It's all strange.
            1. Vladimir Mashkov
              Vladimir Mashkov 12 January 2022 21: 20
              +1
              Quote: Mishka78
              ... to make 1-2 concessions from the United States is a victory. Small. As they say - a swing for a ruble, a blow for a penny, but nevertheless a victory.
              Another question is how the outside world will react to this. For the outside world will definitely lose to Russia. They wrote a bunch of demands, threatened with war, and in the end, got the minimum and did nothing ..
              In short - xs. It's all strange.

              Aren't you in a hurry? Yes, there have already been meetings between the US and NATO, and they responded - as expected - with a refusal. I believe that there will be a refusal at the third meeting with the EU (if it takes place smile ). But do you really think that the super-cautious Putin, risking that it will be so, reconciled himself to his defeat in advance and set himself up? Not sure! We are waiting for a small (right away) and BIG answer! hi
        3. V means B
          V means B 11 January 2022 23: 07
          +1
          Yes, you yourself have already answered - Nothing)
        4. Aleksandr21
          Aleksandr21 12 January 2022 09: 03
          -3
          Quote: paul3390
          AND?? What will happen next? What will be the answer? Does anyone have any sane options?


          In general, over the past few days, I got the impression that the purpose of our negotiations is a failure ... there are too great demands on the United States, and if initially there were no strong trump cards, then perhaps the task was simply to conduct these negotiations, to record the refusal of the United States / NATO from cooperation and start to implement plan "B". And here we must not forget that Russia is not acting alone, but in conjunction with China and the negotiations of the GDP with Xi (after negotiations with Biden) and their soon meeting in February only confirms this ...

          what could be next? At the beginning, measures of a military-technical nature will be announced and most likely they will place missiles in close proximity to NATO countries and possibly the United States (historical experience has already existed), then a local conflict in Ukraine is possible ... where the goal will be to squeeze NATO forces out of this country (and are already located there), after that, most likely, there will be a complete break with the West in all directions and Russia, on the basis of the EAEU, will build a new European Union, with itself at the head and where the influence of the West is completely absent ... + will trade / interact with the SCO, BRICS , APEC (excluding the US, and possibly Japan), ASEAN.

          At least I see such a picture.

          But what about families in Londinium, accounts in Europe, villas in Miami, yachts in the Bahamas, and so on and so on?


          How did villas in Miami prevent you from returning to Crimea? Or did they make Russia leave Donbass? There is no need to overestimate the influence of the elite, and you think in cliches ... if everything were so simple, then Yeltsin 2.0 or Navalny would rule in Russia now and we would do whatever the United States says, as it was in the 90s ... but by the sadness of the West is now in power in Russia, a completely different category of people - the siloviki / hawks + who, moreover, are under sanctions and the West is clearly unable to influence them).
          1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
            KIND LAVRENTIUS 12 January 2022 12: 04
            -3
            Quote: Aleksandr21
            How did villas in Miami prevent you from returning to Crimea? Or did they make Russia leave Donbass?

            mentally, I applaud you !!!!
        5. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 12 January 2022 12: 06
          -5
          Quote: paul3390
          I'm interested in something else ... But what about families in Londinium, accounts in Europe, villas in Miami, yachts in the Bahamas, and so on and so on?

          I'm also interested in how the speculation about villas in the west is combined with the return of Crimea in your head?
        6. Eroma
          Eroma 12 January 2022 20: 58
          0
          The fact that we will be sent by the forest is not at all discussed! This performance was started for the sake of this, in order to do what was planned with a clear conscience!
          But what is planned? From common sense, this is an alliance with China at least
        7. lukewarm
          lukewarm 13 January 2022 10: 02
          0
          Quote: paul3390
          how difficult it is to unexpectedly find a kilo of coke from her and hide it for life

          And this is a thought!
      2. Scorpio
        Scorpio 11 January 2022 19: 02
        -5
        It is better to leave Central and Eastern Europe alone, maybe they will come to their senses and return to reason, or they will be destroyed by the liberal rainbow plague.
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 11 January 2022 11: 09
    +1
    The moment of truth in the battle between Russia and the United States is approaching

    The climax is not far off

    Nobody will start playing extreme, large ... they will rather divide into many, many small hits / themes, and then, according to the results, they will try to collect something larger, more meaningful.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 11 January 2022 12: 33
      +15
      presenting an unacceptable ultimatum.

      -And what is an ultimatum?
      -They will beat ....
      Mishka Kvakin, "Timur and his team"
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 11 January 2022 12: 51
        0
        Nobody is going to pose as a "whipping boy" ...
        1. NDR-791
          NDR-791 11 January 2022 13: 00
          -2
          Quote: rocket757
          Nobody is going to pose as a "whipping boy" ...

          So who is asking them. We will hurt, perhaps with our feet (c). It is necessary to teach them "from scratch", they have never even been to a pioneer camp. wassat
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 11 January 2022 13: 05
            -1
            Yes, no matter how young pioneers gathered there.
            At least the leading "couple".
            They can, can and in their arms, try, strangle the "partner" ...
            In general, the "dance" is going to be difficult, on the one hand, but very interesting.
            1. NDR-791
              NDR-791 11 January 2022 13: 16
              +17
              At the expense of interesting, that's for sure! I still can't imagine what real we can present a "military-technical answer". Or rather I can, but it will all be in the order of delirium or sleep. One gets the impression that a swing for a ruble, but a blow ...
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 11 January 2022 13: 35
                -3
                Your doubts have already been appreciated ... another Mr H.
                The topic, how and where, ours can give an answer or influence, on / on the intErEs of minke whales ... I will not guess. If / when it happens, we will most likely find out ... although they do not always talk about their successes, let alone failures, generally keep silent in a rag.
                It happens.
            2. region58
              region58 13 January 2022 01: 49
              0
              Quote: rocket757
              "dance" is going to be difficult

              Negotiations on SALT and START have been going on for several years, and nothing, they agreed. I think it will do without cavalry even now.
  3. Asad
    Asad 11 January 2022 11: 15
    +17
    I would like to ask the author, what is your evidence about the actions of the United States in Kazakhstan? Everything seems to be fine, a large embassy, ​​almost all mining companies with American capital. And the sly-backed leadership of the country is completely satisfied. And the ultimatum, wait and see. Little left to wait.
    1. flicker
      flicker 11 January 2022 12: 01
      -5
      And the sly-backed leadership of the country is completely satisfied with
      suited
      Shevardnadze also suited, Mubarek also suited, Yanukovych also suited, etc., but they all suit for the time being
      When aggressive military actions are necessary, the "cunning" as it is not very stop
      ---
      And one more question who is there more "cunning" gelding or those whom they remove?
      1. Asad
        Asad 11 January 2022 12: 27
        +11
        Sorry, I don’t know the local terminology. Do you of course have proof?
        1. flicker
          flicker 11 January 2022 12: 55
          .
          Sorry, I don’t know the local terminology
          Sorry. It is not necessary for an Israeli patriot to know it. smile
          1. Asad
            Asad 11 January 2022 13: 05
            +13
            I'm at a loss!? Patriot of Israel? I know what “gelding” means, but who in the hierarchy of Kazakhstan is not in the know. ACAD game nickname. UAE tease in tanks.
            1. flicker
              flicker 11 January 2022 21: 56
              -8
              I'm at a loss!?
              Well, pull yourself together. laughing
  4. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 11 January 2022 11: 22
    .
    As much as I love Bzezhinsky, he is right about the Great Chessboard! As for VVP, he turned out to be a grandmaster!
    1. Asad
      Asad 11 January 2022 11: 35
      +24
      Let's wait 3 days until no breakouts are seen.
      1. New Year day
        New Year day 11 January 2022 12: 32
        +11
        Quote: ASAD
        so far no breakthroughs have been seen.

        And it won't, yesterday everything was decided - everything is the same
        1. Edik
          Edik 11 January 2022 13: 03
          .
          Quote: Silvestr
          And it won't, yesterday everything was decided - everything is the same

          Sylvester, are you back from the future again? laughing Or from a parallel universe?
          1. New Year day
            New Year day 11 January 2022 15: 46
            +5
            Quote: Edik
            Sylvester, are you back from the future again?

            Golovan, calm down! Well, I don’t love you, why did I stick like a bath leaf?
    2. Grandfather Mozai
      Grandfather Mozai 11 January 2022 11: 39
      +7
      Without bravado, let's see who will check and checkmate, or maybe a draw? Putin is “forcing” his partners to move, but does he have such a strong position?
    3. Comandor777
      Comandor777 11 January 2022 12: 10
      0
      Time will tell whether the grandmaster of VVP or the mentally ill.
    4. Karabin
      Karabin 11 January 2022 12: 52
      +24
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      As for VVP, he turned out to be a grandmaster!

      He is especially good at sacrificing pawns and pieces. See the map around RF.
      1. vitvit123
        vitvit123 11 January 2022 13: 07
        .
        These "pawns" were exchanged even before Putin ... no? Even with the "hunchback" bastard ....
        1. Karabin
          Karabin 11 January 2022 13: 19
          +28
          Quote: vitvit123
          Even with the "hunchback" bastard ....

          For this did the grandmaster of the bastard bestow the Order of St. Andrew the First-Called?
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 11 January 2022 13: 22
            .
            How do I know .. maybe .. and why this question in the context of my comment? What else do you ask? Maybe about the Bolshoi Theater? ...
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 11 January 2022 14: 44
              +8
              What are you talking about ? For example, Ukraine has already rushed to NATO under Putin.
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 11 January 2022 16: 00
                .
                What are you talking about ? Ukraine was not separated at the beginning of the 90s and it was separated in order to keep up with us ... if you didn’t notice, then since 91 the processes have been going on there without disguise ...
                1. Kronos
                  Kronos 11 January 2022 16: 00
                  +9
                  Yes, few people want to keep up with Russia, I wonder why?
                  1. vitvit123
                    vitvit123 11 January 2022 16: 03
                    .
                    Why should someone keep up with us? As an example: with Israel, too, no one goes too much (there are enemies around) and that he lives he does not care ... but Belarus wants to keep up with us, Kazakhstan wants to, Venezuela, China ... and there will be other countries. . everything is like everyone else, so there is no need to deal with "divorces" here ...
                    And if no one wants to, then what? We have to live our own lives ..
                    1. Shahno
                      Shahno 11 January 2022 16: 12
                      0
                      // with Israel, too, no one goes too much (around the enemies) //
                      This is the ability to turn enemies into friends.
                      This is not "drink it up". For 3 years, the Jews have learned this, not immediately of course
                      1. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 11 January 2022 16: 34
                        -4
                        Each has its own story .. its good and bad ... this is a human essence, we are all different and we all have their own views on this or that event, the same with states ... you will not be nice to everyone ...
                      2. lukewarm
                        lukewarm 13 January 2022 10: 07
                        0
                        Have they turned many enemies into friends? Not as a nation (I don't know that at all), but as a state? Is that the USSR is in its decline. And even then ...
                      3. Shahno
                        Shahno 13 January 2022 15: 38
                        +1
                        Well, this is how you watch it. Germany, for example, Egypt, CA ..
                      4. lukewarm
                        lukewarm 14 January 2022 16: 08
                        0
                        Yes, I somehow forgot about them. Friends of course with a stretch. And where are they in politics, do you have any friends? Not enemies, okay. IMHO, the whole secret of turning into the lobby and the diaspora. Germany repents for the Holocaust. There is criminal liability for denial (that's who you need to learn from: equated Stalin with Hitler - stop by the boys). For Egypt - your example is very good. How could I forget. Fought-fought. But Egypt merged, than the USSR was, to put it mildly, "upset". I don't know about SA. Did they fight?
                    2. Bolkonsky
                      Bolkonsky 12 January 2022 01: 04
                      +1
                      Belarus, not Belarus! Have you asked the Belarusians? The Russians? I guess nobody wants to. Personally, I don’t. And so there is enough land. They started to take an interest in living conditions)
                      1. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 12 January 2022 14: 31
                        0
                        And I, yes ... talked to people who live in a territory called Belarus ... more? The Belarusians do not have the conditions for an independent life, because they live on credit, which is paid by Russia .. that's all the "raisins" to the penny ..
                      2. Bolkonsky
                        Bolkonsky 12 January 2022 17: 23
                        0
                        And I talked with people up to 35 years old, and none of them wants a direct policy either with Russia or with Europe, they all want a normal president and neutrality between Russia and Europe - they don't want to take sides. Literally the majority and I agree with them.
                      3. vitvit123
                        vitvit123 12 January 2022 19: 44
                        0
                        And I talked to people up to 35 and after years, and everyone said, because. we can’t feed ourselves and Russia feeds us (pays our bills), then it’s fair for us to live in Russia ... otherwise if Russia stops giving us money, then we put our teeth on the shelf .. and I agree with them!
              2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                KIND LAVRENTIUS 12 January 2022 12: 11
                -1
                Quote: Kronos
                For example, Ukraine has already rushed to NATO under Putin.

                and before Putin, she didn’t aspire to go there?
      2. V means B
        V means B 11 January 2022 23: 12
        0
        Ay well done, beautiful)))
    5. Hypertension
      Hypertension 11 January 2022 14: 30
      +13
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      As for VVP, he turned out to be a grandmaster!

      Grandmaster...
  5. yuriy55
    yuriy55 11 January 2022 11: 27
    -9
    The presentation of a Russian ultimatum may turn out to be a harbinger of the beginning of a new era and so serious not only for the future of Russia, but for the whole world, that the Kremlin, apparently, had to very painstakingly calculate everything before taking such an extraordinary step.

    Even this one last paragraph makes the remaining hair on the head stand up: "Attention!"
    Everything is correctly said and the conclusions are made intelligible:
    Or death in battle or life on your knees
    1. Asad
      Asad 11 January 2022 11: 42
      +11
      Yes, what kind of knees? Who brought you to your knees and when? What kind of retaliation does the author want to strike? Okay, I have already lived, and our children, grandchildren? Is the whole world in dust?
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 11 January 2022 12: 42
        +6
        Quote: ASAD
        Who and when put you on your knees?

        In order not to aggravate the situation, can I not answer your question?
        You - this is not me personally, but a country that was forced to surrender all the achievements of the socialist system for a piece of sausage and a piece of bread and become a world sludge, which is not considered (by and large) NOBODY !!!
        A country that is indicated by the place in the ranks of those whom the USSR pulled out of shit ... A country that is forbidden to raise the flag ... A country whose guaranteed future is to go to heaven when THEY will die ...
        You end this manipulation with pronouns, otherwise I get the feeling that I am talking to an inadequate person ...
        1. Secutor
          Secutor 11 January 2022 14: 37
          -5
          You are not me personally, but a country that was forced to surrender all the achievements of the socialist system and become a world sludge for a piece of sausage and a piece of bread


          No sausage sucks too. So even though there is a sausage, it's already more fun to live. And all these "flying wunderwales" on TV, they don't give out sausage.
        2. Kronos
          Kronos 11 January 2022 14: 45
          +5
          And how will the ultimatum help everyone in this?
        3. Terran ghost
          Terran ghost 11 January 2022 15: 43
          +1
          for a piece of sausage and a piece of bread forced to surrender all the achievements of the socialist system

          Who is this someone, and how did this someone "compel you to surrender your achievements"?
      2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
        KIND LAVRENTIUS 12 January 2022 12: 20
        -3
        Quote: ASAD
        Yes, what kind of knees?

        about those on which Ukraine and Georgia stand (the poorest countries in Europe, Georgia is a European den for soft drugs, Ukraine is a mecca of sex tourism for Europeans, and so on and so on.
        Quote: ASAD
        Who brought you to your knees and when?

        who is the USA. when - from 1992 to 1999.
        Quote: ASAD
        Okay, I have already lived, and our children, grandchildren?

        see point 1.
        ps
        you can quickly die with a weapon in your hands ... or you can die slowly, see item 1 ... perhaps children / grandchildren have chances to live with a weapon in your hands ... but with item 1, there is no chance of surviving at all.
        Quote: ASAD
        The whole world in ruin?

        Putin: “Why do we need a world without Russia?” ......
    2. New Year day
      New Year day 11 January 2022 12: 31
      +11
      Quote: yuriy55
      Everything is correctly said and the conclusions are made intelligible:
      Or death in battle or life on your knees

      Damn, they didn't have time to live under Russian capitalism and have already died laughing Or maybe we can still live?
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 11 January 2022 15: 06
        0
        Quote: Silvestr
        did not have time to live under Russian capitalism and have already died

        I don’t know, Anatoly Papanov thought and spoke about this here:
        1. New Year day
          New Year day 11 January 2022 15: 45
          +3
          Quote: yuriy55
          I don’t know, Anatoly Papanov thought and spoke about this here:

          Thank you for Papanov!
      2. lukewarm
        lukewarm 13 January 2022 11: 55
        +1
        So it’s shitty to live under Russian capitalism (I think, with any other - too). Not so that it really sucks, the more heated is that which is getting worse day by day.
    3. 1Alexey
      1Alexey 11 January 2022 12: 34
      +6
      Quote: yuriy55
      The presentation of a Russian ultimatum may turn out to be a harbinger of the beginning of a new era and so serious not only for the future of Russia, but for the whole world, that the Kremlin, apparently, had to very painstakingly calculate everything before taking such an extraordinary step.

      Even this one last paragraph makes the remaining hair on the head stand up: "Attention!"
      Everything is correctly said and the conclusions are made intelligible:
      Or death in battle or life on your knees

      You can give the command "At ease!" To your hair on your head.

      Russia is gradually reducing the level of its initial courage and determination.
      At first, the Russian authorities said that in case of rejection of Russia's proposals, the answer would be military and military-technical, but now no one remembers the military response - they only talk about the military-technical.
      What will happen next ?!
      1. borey
        borey 11 January 2022 14: 21
        0
        From the very beginning, it was only about the "military-technical" response
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 11 January 2022 14: 47
          +7
          That is, about not posing a threat to the United States.
      2. Secutor
        Secutor 11 January 2022 14: 40
        +7
        The import of tomatoes from the USA will be banned !!! 100500 TV spots about suffering Texas farmers whose tomatoes are rotting!
        People will perk up! They will shake their fists at the TV! "Get the damn mattress toppers! Now eat your own tomatoes!"
      3. yuriy55
        yuriy55 11 January 2022 15: 00
        +1
        Quote: 1Alexey
        You can give the command "At ease!" To your hair on your head.

        yes
        Short hair is an army habit ...
  6. Borisych
    Borisych 11 January 2022 11: 33
    .
    The moment is as simple as two and two. Poseidon under water, Petrel in a long flight, Dagger with Zircon on carriers. Alabuga is fixing the electrics, everyone is busy with business. The no-fly zone is provided by the S-300 and S-400, they don’t care who to blame -FE-35, Fe -37 or some other F. The Americans have already launched 200 Tomahawks in Syria, where did they all go? Netuti. So they have nothing to cover, they can't talk about hypersound, they have to be afraid of it. So they piss with boiling water. And there is no time for banderlogy and not for these Baltic kittens. As if not to remain on the flag without striped pants, the Chinese are not stupid, they also need to pat a piece of the striped flag. Such things, Uncle Sam.
    1. Asad
      Asad 11 January 2022 12: 03
      +17
      Is the petrel already flying, Poseidon off the US coast? And although he served in the air defense for a long time, I remember that overloading the air defense is not a tricky thing. Poorly on the screen you can see that a full-fledged rocket or, blende, is flying, and it is much more difficult to shoot down a Tomahawk.
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 11 January 2022 12: 28
        +9
        I liked repairing the electrician about Alabuga, our soldering iron is everything.
        ek Borisycha klinit that.
    2. smaug78
      smaug78 11 January 2022 13: 18
      +12
      And Borisych arrives "Trident" and everyone is happy ...
    3. vargo
      vargo 11 January 2022 13: 50
      +7
      The text of the militant from the common man's sofa. I am your optimism and would be glad to share, but alas, everything is not so trivially simple. The world is not in two sentences, it is much more complicated. Even those who know a lot cannot predict even a relative perspective. And you assert so bravely. Alas, words for a feast, no more. No offense, as it is
  7. Freemason Mason
    Freemason Mason 11 January 2022 11: 33
    +25
    Russia can now allow to speak from a position of strength, since it has such opportunities, for the first time it has overtaken the United States in military-technical terms and can take advantage of
    Too lazy to comment on the next hurray propaganda nonsense, but you have to. Author, how are the Su-57 and Armata, which have no analogues, doing there? Maybe they finally made the 3rd generation ATGM? Or talk about the aircraft carrier went beyond the next promises and layouts? Maybe they finally installed KAZ on the tanks instead of the wretched "anti-javelin" visors? This list can be continued for a very long time. However, those who know how to think have understood the absurdity of this opus even without me, and it is practically useless to explain to the rest ...
    1. mark1
      mark1 11 January 2022 12: 02
      .
      Quote: Freemason
      Too lazy to comment on another hurray propaganda nonsense,

      Freemasons again stir up water ... - cunning pancake!
      It's not about the Su-57 and Javelins, but about the ability to create a threat (and, if necessary, execute) unacceptable damage. And there is such a possibility
      1. Asad
        Asad 11 January 2022 12: 47
        +14
        Do you and your family want to take part in, unacceptable damage?
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        2. vitvit123
          vitvit123 11 January 2022 13: 15
          -8
          And you are the limit of your non-participation, where do you see? Sorry for the curiosity ..
          1. Asad
            Asad 11 January 2022 13: 20
            +7
            Old is already at war, but I will not run into the taiga. How I can help the Motherland.
            1. vitvit123
              vitvit123 11 January 2022 13: 27
              -4
              The meaning of the question was not much else, but we have what we have ...
              Judging by your comments, do you think we are bluffing without having anything, which can frighten amers (we do not have su 57, armature, economy, etc.)?
            2. mark1
              mark1 11 January 2022 20: 52
              -4
              Quote: ASAD
              How I can help the Motherland.

              Hopefully not like Sergei Adamovich Kovalev?
      2. Overlock
        Overlock 11 January 2022 14: 13
        +7
        Quote: mark1
        It's not about the Su-57 and Javelins, but about the ability to create a threat (and, if necessary, execute) unacceptable damage

      3. Secutor
        Secutor 11 January 2022 14: 44
        +1
        Are we trying to get the US to threaten us? Or do we think they can't?
    2. Edik
      Edik 11 January 2022 12: 34
      .
      Quote: Freemason
      Too lazy to comment on the next hurray propaganda nonsense, but you have to. Author, how are the Su-57 and Armata, which have no analogues, doing there? Maybe they finally made the 3rd generation ATGM?

      Vanya, who are you going to fight with, what would you take out and put in the Armata and the SU-57? request
      And for local conflicts, everything is fine with us!
      Freemason builder
      1. Freemason Mason
        Freemason Mason 11 January 2022 12: 56
        +20
        How does the sufficient equipment of our Armed Forces for local conflicts compare with the author's thesis about "talking with the United States from a position of strength"? Or do you think that in response to the US refusal to end NATO's eastward expansion, we will immediately begin to inflict unacceptable nuclear damage on Washington? I'm tired of the very term "ultimatum", which is repeated over and over again by the Russian media. With one stroke of a propaganda pen, Russia has turned from a country surrounded by superior enemies, with a microscopic economy by world standards, with a bunch of internal problems, into some kind of, I'm not afraid of this word, a superpower that has brought half the world, led by the United States, to its knees. It all sounds very pitiful and funny - apparently, in the absence of real victories in the foreign policy arena, one already has to invent non-existent
        1. Edik
          Edik 11 January 2022 13: 23
          .
          Quote: Freemason
          How does the sufficient equipment of our Armed Forces for local conflicts compare with the author's thesis about "talking with the United States from a position of strength"? Or do you think that in response to the US refusal to end NATO's eastward expansion, we will immediately begin to inflict unacceptable nuclear damage on Washington? I'm tired of the very term "ultimatum", which is repeated over and over again by the Russian media. With one stroke of a propaganda pen, Russia has turned from a country surrounded by superior enemies, with a microscopic economy by world standards, with a bunch of internal problems, into some kind of, I'm not afraid of this word, a superpower that has brought half the world, led by the United States, to its knees. It all sounds very pitiful and funny - apparently, in the absence of real victories in the foreign policy arena, one already has to invent non-existent

          History teaches us that there is nothing it does not teach!
          Is this how the US and USSR defended their security and spheres of influence?
          Remember at least
          Caribbean crisis
          Yes, there will be a crisis and I do not know what it will be called, but it will be scary for everyone! Well, of course, if the United States does not back down ..
          1. Kronos
            Kronos 11 January 2022 14: 50
            +12
            The USSR had a bloc of allies; the elite did not have children and property abroad. There were countries themselves wishing to become allies of the USSR, and not a little all over the planet.
            1. Edik
              Edik 11 January 2022 15: 01
              -7
              Quote: Kronos
              The USSR had a bloc of allies

              The USSR had a bunch of freeloaders, satellites and nothing more!
              And what the USSR really had was missiles with nuclear warheads that were quite capable of hitting US cities.
              That's how it would be request
              Quote: Kronos
              the elite did not have children and property abroad.

              They were all warned for a long time, who did not hide, I am not to blame yes
    3. vitvit123
      vitvit123 11 January 2022 13: 13
      .
      Ie, I understood you correctly, only if there is su57, armata and what you have listed can we fight America?
      When the next elections take place, put forward your candidacy, for the first time in my life I will vote (for you) .. even the impenetrable stupidity of our "generals", etc., is impressive compared to your comment ...
      With such analytics and on VO ..., yes, you need to give a minimum of a marshal ..
      1. Freemason Mason
        Freemason Mason 11 January 2022 13: 59
        +14
        I appreciated the irony, thank you. But closer to the subject - you want to say that Russia has the ability to issue ultimatums to the United States, which they will be forced to satisfy, and at the same time they cannot do the same in response, right? No matter how much he tried to find out what Russia can do in case of refusal, he did not find anything except the scenarios "the whole world is in dust" and "we are in paradise, and they will simply die." But excuse me, this is not an ultimatum, but nuclear blackmail - the lot of impoverished countries like North Korea and Iran. Yes, a monkey with a grenade threatening to blow itself up and those around it will not be touched. A stronger fence will be built around it and they will continue to live, forgetting about its existence. The monkey will remain the sole owner of his pen, though without the slightest prospects for further evolution and development. Do you wish Russia such a fate?
        1. vitvit123
          vitvit123 11 January 2022 14: 13
          -8
          Well, if we could, we did it, because there is a desire, that's for sure ... then this fate does not await us .. with a country occupying such a territory, it is not possible to do this until ...
          And as for closer to the topic .. I can't believe that what the local analysts know, the people who have all the threads of information and analysis in their hands cannot know ... I can't imagine that there are a bunch of nerds in power there, and we here, at VO, are the smartest ... that's closer to the topic ..
        2. flicker
          flicker 11 January 2022 21: 39
          -5
          A stronger fence will be built around it and they will live on
          Or he will build a fence around himself, well, like Israel, for example.
          The monkey will remain the sole owner of his pen, though without the slightest prospects for further evolution and development.
          Well, they don't think so in Israel. request
  8. Daniil Konovalenko
    Daniil Konovalenko 11 January 2022 11: 40
    +9
    The old world with US hegemony is crumbling, and the new one has not yet been built
    .The old world is not collapsing, but the hegemony of the United States has weakened, but no more. Is it really in the world that one social formation replaces another? Is capitalism writhing in its death throes and is being replaced by another socialist one? And peacefully? laughing Hegemon, sick, but not yet dying and it is too early to say: Hegemon is dead, long live the hegemon! laughing
    1. Asad
      Asad 11 January 2022 12: 06
      +13
      If China is the next hegemon, then the choice is so-so.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 11 January 2022 12: 55
        +5
        I don’t know, the former hegemon is not dead yet.
      2. Secutor
        Secutor 11 January 2022 14: 49
        +3
        Better is the United States with European culture, which is closer to us. Than China.
        China is still offended by the whole world during the colonial period, it has not frail national ideas seething. Such a hegemon will simply start creating dirt, starting with the neighbors, and then with everyone else.
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 11 January 2022 13: 17
      +1
      Capitalism will not go anywhere as long as there is (exists) private property ...
  9. parma
    parma 11 January 2022 11: 42
    +17
    Hurray hurray hurray, comrades !!! We won, we disagree….
  10. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 11 January 2022 11: 48
    +27
    Pathetique pours out of the article just like a waterfall - a fight, an ultimatum, a moment of truth ... but stop scaring Zyablitsev, otherwise the person got tired of taking the duffel bag onto the balcony. Even I began to savor, with relish, the idea of ​​a Russian rocket crashing into my bank and blowing credit to hell, while I run free with Kalash in the Sofia metro and shoot monsters, and in my free time I drink radioactive water with glowing mushrooms.

    Russia can now allow to speak from a position of strength, since it has such opportunities, for the first time it has overtaken the United States in military-technical terms.

    Complete nonsense, not an article. One nuclear club cannot be a great force. The economy is needed and the well-being of the population. Imperial wishlist, for the economy, with the size of the Italian, but the desire to be a world leader is impossible.

    Russia will have to return the Warsaw Pact space abandoned during the collapse of the Union and restore the buffer from the East European countries that was liquidated by the West.

    The author, I want to ask, what substances do you take? What will you bring to Eastern Europe? An average class of 17 rubles? This makes no sense. It is these blockheads that create the image of an aggressor in Russia. As a result of your "ultimatums" the most that will be that the Finns will join NATO, and Eastern Europe will start buying weapons that are not childish and will scream even more about the Russian threat, and American bases will appear like mushrooms wherever possible. You have given a tremendous boost to the entire American military industry.
    And in the meantime, we will all together pay inflation and profits to the new oligarchs on the Forbes list, and in the summer, drink beer and ouzo on the beach in Greece and create great ideas, at a feast with friends. So the whole drama will end like that.
    1. Edik
      Edik 11 January 2022 12: 52
      .
      Quote: Keyser Soze
      Keyser Soze (Eugene)

      Well, no matter how we talk about sponsoring your countries yes
      It's about safety about our security, about missiles and bases. Leave the economy to ourselves, we do not pretend to it.
      In general, the truth is that all of you lie under the USA and you shouldn't think there wink
    2. vitvit123
      vitvit123 11 January 2022 13: 20
      -8
      So your countries are not taken into account here ... as always ... so your business is to sit and watch what happens to you ..
    3. dauria
      dauria 11 January 2022 16: 12
      +3
      how a Russian rocket crashes into my bank and blows credit to hell, and I run free with Kalash in the Sofia metro and shoot monsters, and in my free time I drink radioactive water with glowing mushrooms.


      good Bravo, Eugene. The irony is already Russian, the language is almost colloquial ... You have become very good at it. Oh yes ... And the conclusions are correct. But just in case, draw big white letters "B O" on the roof of the house. I'll try to miss if I get caught. wassat .
      1. Keyser soze
        Keyser soze 11 January 2022 18: 05
        +5
        The irony is already Russian, the language is almost spoken ...


        This is thanks to VO and colleagues who help. Free Russian language school. I loved my grandmother, who cradled in Russian from an early age and taught nursery rhymes and songs. I pay tribute to her efforts. hi

        But just in case, draw big white letters "B O" on the roof of the house. I'll try to miss if I get caught.

        We agreed ... drinks The brotherhood of the Internet resource is strong!
      2. Petio
        Petio 11 January 2022 18: 07
        +5
        It is prohibited to hit banks. Credit is credit. We must return!
        1. dauria
          dauria 11 January 2022 20: 55
          -2
          It is prohibited to hit banks. Credit is credit. We must return!

          That's really figurines. Here is just "Workers of all countries, unite!" And a map with coordinates. We will help you in any way we can. soldier
          1. Keyser soze
            Keyser soze 12 January 2022 00: 04
            +4
            Here is just "Workers of all countries, unite!" And a map with coordinates.


            Here is the idea I understand. And then it is always communism, then capitalism. And so everything became clear - you are on ours and we are on yours. Now it has come to how to make the world better and more beautiful lol
    4. flicker
      flicker 11 January 2022 21: 41
      -5
      but stop already scaring Zyablitsev, otherwise the person got sick of taking the duffel bag to the balcony
      And you seem to prefer to change diapers bully
  11. kitpit
    kitpit 11 January 2022 11: 48
    +18
    It will be interesting what we will do what or again Vova siskin will eat
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 January 2022 12: 28
      +10
      Quote: kitpit
      It will be interesting what we will undertake or again Vova Chizhika will eat

      Will raise prices for gasoline and gas inside the country, devaluation of the ruble, for example
      1. V means B
        V means B 11 January 2022 23: 21
        +2
        You have forgotten about the retirement age))))
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 11 January 2022 11: 49
    .
    The West can see, if it doesn't come to its senses, a very interesting alliance. Now, NATO is against us, and AUKUS is against China. It was after the creation of AUKUS that this fun began.
    1. Asad
      Asad 11 January 2022 12: 10
      +9
      Andrei, who besides Russia and China will join this union?
      1. mark1
        mark1 11 January 2022 12: 28
        -6
        Quote: ASAD
        and who besides Russia and China will join this union?

        Is this not enough?
        Moreover, China wants to cooperate with the CSTO, while Iran has submitted an application there (and to the SCO). So "scraps of back streets" can fly
        1. Asad
          Asad 11 January 2022 12: 50
          +7
          China also wants to send peacekeepers to its neighbors? Who is threatening them, what's the point.
          1. 1Alexey
            1Alexey 11 January 2022 13: 31
            +4
            Quote: ASAD
            China also wants to send peacekeepers to its neighbors? Who is threatening them, what's the point.

            The point is to expand its influence in the world, while squeezing out Russia.

            In a possible future alliance (if there is one at all): China - Russia - a number of other countries, China sees itself as the main one, and not Russia and not "on equal terms" with Russia.
          2. Secutor
            Secutor 11 January 2022 14: 51
            -1
            Will send to Moscow :) The Chinese will beat stupid laowai over the head in the center of Moscow.
          3. tralflot1832
            tralflot1832 11 January 2022 15: 35
            -5
            What if a volcano wakes up in Taiwan, a tsunami flies to the coast. Who should Taiwan contact?
        2. 1Alexey
          1Alexey 11 January 2022 13: 21
          +4
          Quote: mark1
          Quote: ASAD
          and who besides Russia and China will join this union?

          Is this not enough?
          Moreover, China wants to cooperate with the CSTO.

          Only, I think, China does this not because it wants to help others or because it wants to receive help from the CSTO countries (there is no one from whom, by and large, to receive help, except Russia, and for the latter, you can simply conclude an agreement with Russia), but in order to expand its influence and reduce Russia's influence on the CSTO countries.
          1. Secutor
            Secutor 11 January 2022 14: 53
            +2
            Exactly. People do not seem to understand to invite China, whose economy is 17 times larger, the army is larger, the population is larger ... this is the path to submission.
      2. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 11 January 2022 12: 31
        -1
        India will definitely not enter, although I'm not sure. We watch the Olympics and enjoy.
        1. Asad
          Asad 11 January 2022 12: 50
          +1
          It is necessary to survive first.
      3. Overlock
        Overlock 11 January 2022 14: 15
        +4
        Quote: ASAD
        and who besides Russia and China will join this union?

        Has China already entered into an alliance with Russia? China is spinning its cinema, on its own mind.
        1. Asad
          Asad 11 January 2022 14: 16
          +1
          This is, so to speak, hypothetically.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 11 January 2022 14: 19
            +4
            Quote: ASAD
            This is so to speak, hypothetically

            Even hypothetically! The trade between the United States and China is huge, their economies are intertwined. And we have? - And we have gas and oil in our country. You can expect a split on bad Americans and good Chinese, and we are in the middle.
    2. 1Alexey
      1Alexey 11 January 2022 13: 57
      0
      Quote: tralflot1832
      The West can see, if it doesn't come to its senses, a very interesting alliance. Now, NATO is against us, and AUKUS is against China. It was after the creation of AUKUS that this fun began.

      And what is essential in this union (AUKUS)?

      The United States and Great Britain have been allies for many years, while Australia has little military power.
      So is it worth attaching significant importance to this union?
  13. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 11 January 2022 12: 00
    +21
    The old world with the hegemony of the United States is crumbling, and the new one has not yet been built, now is timelessness and everyone seeks to protect themselves from inevitable losses and conflicts

    We have very fashionable bright theses of such a plan, but is it really so? What is the "old world", "western world"? If this is a set of states under the US umbrella, then I will list: this is the total EU (the third economy of the planet), the US itself (the second economy in terms of PPP GDP), Japan (fourth), Great Britain (tenth), Turkey (eleventh), which is still in the cage , South Korea (14th), Canada (15th), Australia (18th). The total EU is (5,9,12,20 etc. places in world GDP).

    India, occupying the 3rd place, is currently a neutral state, generally adhering to the Western model of the world order. Saudi Arabia (17th place) is also more than happy with everything.

    Who do we have in the other boat? China (sort of like the 1st economy in the world), Russia (6th economy), Indonesia (7th), Brazil (8th), Mexico (13th), Egypt (21st), Iran (23rd). Do you often hear about Indonesia in the context of world news? For example, I rarely. This country as a whole is satisfied with the current world order - it has a satisfying life with it. Brazil was an active member of the BRICS for a while - and where is it now? They are much more interested in regional domination than in the disruption of the world order. Mexico is close to the United States - and they live well, also because the United States is not angry. Egypt? A good, fit country. Who raises very good babosiks by trading with everyone with whom they bargain. The current political line of Egypt is absolutely omnivorous - they are not interested in the redivision of the world.
    Who remains on our list of "thirsty for change" alternatives? China, Russia, Iran.
    Is this a lot for a serious alternative? No. This is 3/25 of the list of countries by GDP.
    Until the new redistribution of the world is still infinitely far away.
    1. Keyser soze
      Keyser soze 11 January 2022 12: 15
      +4
      China (sort of like the 1st economy in the world),


      But in a kind of parallel world. 10 trillion lags behind the US or something like a figure.
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      2. DNS-a42
        DNS-a42 11 January 2022 14: 49
        +1
        According to PPP it has been the first for a long time. In terms of nominal GDP, it lags behind by only 6 trillion.
        1. Keyser soze
          Keyser soze 11 January 2022 15: 11
          +5
          According to PPP it has been the first for a long time.

          Of course ... PPP. laughing And in terms of the parity of the Martian purchasing power, and generally the first in the Galaxy. And if I have 22 dollars, and you have 16 dollars, tell me what parity should be considered if we, both of us, need to buy a Taiwanese chip worth 20 dollars?
          1. Shahno
            Shahno 11 January 2022 15: 17
            +6
            Yes, in my opinion, GDP based on PPP is a concrete gap from reality in our world.
            GDP per capita somehow characterizes the situation, not ideally, but as one of the indicators.
          2. Edik
            Edik 11 January 2022 15: 29
            -8
            Quote: Keyser Soze
            And if I have 22 dollars, and you have 16 dollars, tell me what parity should be considered if we, both of us, need to buy a Taiwanese chip worth 20 dollars?

            Notional value, since depending on the market where it will be sold, it will have a different value! yes
            By
            1. Keyser soze
              Keyser soze 11 January 2022 15: 43
              +8
              Conditional cost, since depending on the market where it will be sold, it will have a different cost!
              By


              Dear .... what world do you live in, huh? In the economy there is a phenomenon associated with the economy of scale - in large markets, how American goods will always cost lower than, approximately, in Russia or Bulgaria. So the darkness of goods for Americans is cheaper than for us, despite the fact that your salary does not catch up with ours, and both do not catch up with the American one.
              Second, we live in the age of global online commerce. I buy goods in Shchaty, Russia, Germany and China. Generally, where I want and where the price suits me. I even buy bulbs for the house on Aliexpress. So prices and market and factories are already global.
              So you can still be comforted with the teaching staff, but such a consolation to yourself ... lol
              1. Edik
                Edik 11 January 2022 17: 08
                .
                Quote: Keyser Soze
                I even buy bulbs for the house on Aliexpress. So the prices and the market and factories are already global.
                So you can still be comforted with the teaching staff, but such a consolation to yourself ...

                You can continue to laugh, but it is cheaper to buy goods of normal quality in Russia than on the same Alik! Anything else will be cheaper on Alik.
                There is such a thing as a struggle for the market and most players sag and shrink at the price of their goods in order to stay on the market! If, say, your chip is bought for $ 20 in the US, then in Russia it will not be trite because the purchasing power is less.
                If they do not reduce the price of their chip, another manufacturer will come to their place! Have you heard about price doping?
      3. Knell wardenheart
        Knell wardenheart 11 January 2022 16: 32
        +3
        Specifically explained - GDP PPP software. As a rule, in the statistics indicated on Russian resources, it is the GDP at PPP that is indicated, the nominal value and "per capita" are indicated much less often. This does not characterize unequivocally, I agree here. If we look at face value, then the PRC is in second place - so much less is the influence of the three above-mentioned states.
    2. Secutor
      Secutor 11 January 2022 14: 57
      0
      In terms of GDP PPP, the total volume of the country's economy is not counted. And then very rich countries, but with expensive services are becoming equal to African countries.
      Russia, for example, is equal to Germany.
      And Egypt is equal to Australia.

      Therefore, it is better to consider the bare GDP.
      1. Alexey Sommer
        Alexey Sommer 11 January 2022 18: 47
        +1
        Quote: Secutor
        Therefore, it is better to consider the bare GDP.

        What is the term "full GDP"
        There is at parity, there is at par. What are you talking about?
        For example, does it cost $ 2 to remove appendicitis in the US? and in the Russian Federation $ 000. This is if it is paid.
        In the US, only paid by the way.
        Well, whose GDP per capita for appendicitis is greater?

        1. Secutor
          Secutor 11 January 2022 19: 01
          0
          At face value, it's over. Because $ 1 million is $ 1 million.

          For example, does it cost $ 2 to remove appendicitis in the US? and in the Russian Federation $ 000. This is if it is paid.

          Okay, but if we take prices for food, electronics, cars, clothes, there won't be much difference with the United States.

          A vivid example
          Uzbekistan and Finland are next to each other in terms of PPP :)
          But at face value, the Finns have 271 billion, and the Uzbeks have 57 billion. And people are richer in Finland anyway, despite the fact that in Uzbekistan they will cut your appendicitis for $ 1.
          1. Alexey Sommer
            Alexey Sommer 11 January 2022 19: 43
            -1
            Quote: Secutor
            A vivid example
            Uzbekistan and Finland are next to each other in terms of PPP :)

            This is a prime example of negative sign manipulation.
            In one word, FALSE.
            How much population do Finns have and how many Uzbeks?
            You have to count on your soul.
            It is one,
            Now further, i.e. TWO...)
            Quote: Secutor
            Okay, but if we take prices for food, electronics, cars, clothes, there won't be much difference with the United States.

            This is true, but the nuance is that this is the floor of the TRUTH)
            those. LIE again !!!)
            Those. to understand this, it is enough to compare the price of housing ..
            For rent or purchase of housing. .Does not matter.
            A trick question.) I'm waiting for an answer.
  14. smaug78
    smaug78 11 January 2022 12: 05
    +19
    The ultimatum arose only in the head of the hurray bloggers. But another thing is interesting, how can we answer in reality? So far, all the answers were in Zakharova's hysterics, a kind of version of the "last Chinese warning", unfortunately.
  15. 1Alexey
    1Alexey 11 January 2022 12: 18
    +13
    In this regard, in addition to Europe, the United States began to focus on Southeast Asia, creating there an Anglo-Saxon alliance consisting of the United States, England and Australia.

    Interestingly, the author studied geography at school?

    Which of the following countries belongs to Southeast Asia ?!

    Australia is its own part of the world.
    1. New Year day
      New Year day 11 January 2022 12: 27
      +14
      Quote: 1Alexey
      Interestingly, the author studied geography at school?

      The task is to write a lot, create an imitation of victories!
  16. New Year day
    New Year day 11 January 2022 12: 26
    +15
    There are a lot of bukoffs, but the output is zero. Yesterday the negotiations ended in nothing, you can be sure that the remaining 2 rounds will end as well. All remained with their interests. What's next?
    1. 1Alexey
      1Alexey 11 January 2022 12: 46
      +6
      Quote: Silvestr
      There are a lot of bukoffs, but the output is zero. Yesterday the negotiations ended in nothing, you can be sure that the remaining 2 rounds will end as well. All remained with their interests. What's next?

      In my opinion, everything except Russia (unfortunately).

      Still, it is true, "not evening", but personally, I somehow have a little optimism.
      1. Daniil Konovalenko
        Daniil Konovalenko 11 January 2022 13: 00
        +9
        Still, it is true, "not evening", but personally, I somehow have a little optimism.
        I am surprised at the optimism you still have. laughing hi
        1. 1Alexey
          1Alexey 11 January 2022 13: 05
          +4
          Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
          Still, it is true, "not evening", but personally, I somehow have a little optimism.
          I am surprised at the optimism you still have. laughing hi

          It's just that "hope" always dies last.
          1. Overlock
            Overlock 11 January 2022 14: 17
            +6
            Quote: 1Alexey
            It's just that "hope" always dies last.

            There are hopes and there are illusions. Agree yesterday was an illusion
            1. Edik
              Edik 11 January 2022 14: 30
              -6
              Quote: Overlock
              Agree yesterday was an illusion

              There is no objection!
              The United States will not be persuaded to remove its military infrastructure from our borders.
              Only fear for their own skin and the electorate will force them to do it!
          2. Daniil Konovalenko
            Daniil Konovalenko 11 January 2022 15: 51
            +1
            It's just that "hope" always dies last
            .
            Mirages in the desert disappear quickly. laughing
  17. Alexandr2637
    Alexandr2637 11 January 2022 12: 38
    +11
    What's next?
    Another concern ....
  18. Churchill
    Churchill 11 January 2022 12: 58
    +9
    author, well, what is the result of the "fight". Predictable hee hee. We were again not taken seriously.
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  20. flicker
    flicker 11 January 2022 13: 10
    .
    that in the Kremlin, apparently, they had to calculate everything very painstakingly before taking such an extraordinary step.
    Yes, there is no need to calculate anything. We already have nowhere to maneuver.
    Once again: there is nowhere.
    Therefore, the choice is not great: either they will strangle them or we will destroy our enemy (the United States) and its allies (Great Britain and Israel).
    We do not want to be strangled. MEANS ...
    ---
    For the patriots of Israel, of whom there are many straining here, - WE HAVE ALREADY MADE OUR CHOICE!

    The choice is for the United States, or they will die (together with their allies) or retreat!
    That's it!
  21. Per se.
    Per se. 11 January 2022 13: 17
    +15
    The presentation of a Russian ultimatum may be a harbinger of the beginning of a new era and so serious not only for the future of Russia, but for the whole world.

    What is the ultimatum? The West should pray to the Russian government, in every possible way saving its face on the world stage, tightening its sagging image and falling domestic rating. Puffs of cheeks, images of butting with each other, and everyone is happy. What national interests did you defend? Our army remained in Kazakhstan, returned Ukraine, Georgia, sent the IMF's influence on the Central Bank to hell, won in Syria? Maybe we will absorb the economy of Belarus and, by its example, strengthen our public sector? No, rather, our oligarchs will plunder Belarusian enterprises as well.

    For the West, the enemy is not our bourgeois power, but the Soviet military-technical legacy, primarily the possibility of guaranteed destruction of the United States by Soviet nuclear potential. This is what the West is fighting against, as are its servants inside Russia. No need to deceive yourself, just a little more, and after all the optimizations and reductions, nothing will remain of the great Soviet legacy.

    The only "ultimatum" for the West is that if there is a war in Donbass, or some other fateful problem, the current Russian government will no longer be able to hide its dependence on the West, completely discrediting itself in front of its army and its people in a hard time.

    The beginning of a new, better era for Russia can only begin with a truly people's power, independent of the world masters of capitalism.
    1. flicker
      flicker 11 January 2022 14: 59
      .
      The beginning of a new, better era for Russia can only begin with a truly people's power, independent of the world masters of capitalism.
      Our power is not homogeneous.
      Someone is trying to preserve and strengthen
      Soviet military-technical legacy

      Often these are the forces in power and are subject to information attacks.

      And in connection with the "ultimatum", the struggle within the government is escalating. And this struggle is found, including on such sites as "VO".
  22. sen
    sen 11 January 2022 13: 31
    -9
    "Putin told Biden that Russia will behave the way the United States would behave in matters of ensuring its security."

    Those. will create a kind of "Ukraine" near the US borders in Nicaragua, Venezuela or Cuba.
    1. Asad
      Asad 11 January 2022 14: 14
      +5
      You have to get there, and there is a lot of money.
  23. Illanatol
    Illanatol 11 January 2022 14: 05
    .
    Quote: Knell Wardenheart
    Until the new redistribution of the world is still infinitely far away.


    What makes you think that the determining factor in this process is GDP?

    And yes, assessing economic power by this indicator is the same as assessing a person's physical capabilities by their body weight. The fat hamburgo-eater will have more body weight than Jackie Chan, but how long will the fat ones last in the fight with Chan?
    1. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 11 January 2022 16: 47
      +2
      What makes you think that the determining factor in this process is GDP?

      Since the 18th and 19th centuries, when the "great powers" physically divided the colonies and "spheres of influence", is long over. The Cold War of 1947-1989, when there was a confrontation between two competing methods of organizing the economy - the capitalist one used in Western Europe and North America and the planning and administrative one that existed in the USSR and the Warsaw Pact countries, it also ended.
      The already beginning "Second Cold War" will be waged over the structure of the globalized world economy, and most importantly, the location and role of its "governing centers". Its participants are the USA and China (exactly), the European Union (possibly)
    2. Kronos
      Kronos 11 January 2022 18: 10
      +4
      These are flawed analogies. A conditional fat man can rivet more army and navy because he will have reserves, but a strong but light Jackie Chan after the first impulse will have nothing to continue with.
  24. Conjurer
    Conjurer 11 January 2022 14: 12
    -9
    and a new stage begins, in which the establishment of relations on other principles is impossible without the power redistribution of spheres of influence.

    The conclusion is hasty. Recent events only indicate that Moscow will cease to silently watch what the "partners" are doing, and will create threats to them and put a spoke in its wheels wherever it has to. Given the obvious regression of US capabilities, the result of such actions by Moscow will increase over time, there is no need to fight. Time is working for Moscow, so there is nowhere to rush, in vain you are all so excited.
    1. Terran ghost
      Terran ghost 11 January 2022 16: 48
      +2
      will threaten them and put a spoke in their wheels wherever they have to

      Well, how will these same "partners" in response begin to do the same to the fullest "the possibilities" available to them?
      1. Conjurer
        Conjurer 14 January 2022 13: 33
        -1
        The fact that it all began means that the balance in the world has changed and the dynamics of change allows us to assert that their "coil of available opportunities" is commensurate with ours. Otherwise, it simply did not make sense to start earlier, mind you, ours did not perform like that.
  25. Stirbjorn
    Stirbjorn 11 January 2022 14: 14
    +3
    No, whatever you say, but Kamenev somehow wrote more poetically wassat
    I watch such a chain on VO in this genre - Kamenev, then Staver, now Altukhin has picked up the banner. Still, Victor had his own style, and the last two were just tracing paper from Kiselev
    1. Abalon
      Abalon 11 January 2022 15: 49
      +3
      You're right. It's boring without Kamenev. Do you know where he disappeared?
      1. Stirbjorn
        Stirbjorn 11 January 2022 20: 11
        +1
        Quote: Locos
        You're right. It's boring without Kamenev. Do you know where he disappeared?

        Apparently, I’ve written out, the topic is such a limited one. It is difficult for a creative person to stay within rigid boundaries all the time. lol
  26. steelmaker
    steelmaker 11 January 2022 14: 23
    +3
    To make Putin's ultimatum more convincing, you must first put things in order in your house. And so ..... As "Rodina" traded; and continues to trade. Who will listen to him after that.
    "In July 2020, the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation developed a plan to reduce the number of companies with state participation until 2025. Every year, more than 100 state-controlled legal entities must go into private hands. In 2020, there are 1465 state-owned companies in Russia. According to the document, their number will decrease in 2021. up to 1319, in 2022 - up to 1187, in 2023 - up to 1068. As a result, 2025 enterprises with state participation should remain in the country by 961 "
  27. 16112014nk
    16112014nk 11 January 2022 15: 10
    +9
    ultimatum to the United States

    Most likely this is a bluff of our "irreplaceable Leader of the Nation and his team."
  28. nikvic46
    nikvic46 11 January 2022 16: 00
    +1
    The author trusts in our ties with China. What, do we have union obligations? So far, China has not issued any ultimatum to the West. In general, it is in no hurry to undertake something like that. It has guarded Iran's entry into the CSTO. Doesn't it really want to marry China. It has very close relations with this country. So far, China has severed relations with one country - Lithuania. Who wants to use whom in this game? not hard to guess.
  29. Dart2027
    Dart2027 11 January 2022 19: 32
    -3
    How many on this site yelled that Russia did not speak tough enough, but now they spoke harshly and ... These people are again unhappy.
    1. Kronos
      Kronos 11 January 2022 19: 54
      +2
      Tough actions and tough words are different things. So far, only words and threats are there.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 11 January 2022 21: 34
        -3
        Quote: Kronos
        Tough actions and tough words are different things

        Firstly, it is about words, and secondly, actions are already underway, and the rapid suppression of the CR in Kazakhstan caused a friendly surge in the spill of bile both among our partners and among the communists.
        1. Kronos
          Kronos 11 January 2022 21: 35
          0
          So it was the CIA that raised gas prices to fuel a rebellion? Where are the 20 thousand militants that the authorities were talking about?
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 11 January 2022 21: 39
            -2
            Quote: Kronos
            So it was the CIA that raised gas prices to start a rebellion

            Are you talking about the gas prices that were returned even before the terrorist attacks began?
            Quote: Kronos
            Where are the 20 thousand militants that the authorities talked about

            Partially disposed of, partly sitting, partly scattered, because after the entry of the RF Armed Forces, it was clear that nothing would shine for them.
            1. Kronos
              Kronos 11 January 2022 22: 36
              -1
              As they returned it, they will raise it again as the noise subsides, there weren't any militants there.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 11 January 2022 22: 53
                -4
                Quote: Kronos
                , there were no militants there

                That is, it was peaceful protesters who killed, robbed, burned, etc.
  30. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 11 January 2022 21: 18
    -1
    All this suggests that the era of Russia's movement towards the West, where it is a defeated country without rights, subjectivity and future, has ended, and a new stage begins, in which the establishment of relations on other principles is impossible without the forceful redistribution of spheres of influence. The latest events in Kazakhstan have shown that the United States has not yet abandoned the forcible rejection of the post-Soviet space.

    The article is another attempt to wishful thinking!
    What power redistribution and what spheres of influence? The "ultimatum" declared by the leadership of the Russian Federation is more a gesture of despair of a person driven into a corner than a conversation from a position of strength. The only threat that can frighten "them" - world war - is fortunately unrealistic. So, in reality, the negotiations will not lead to any breakthroughs and breakthroughs, except for propaganda.
    About Kazakhstan and the United States, too, is unsubstantiated nonsense ...
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 11 January 2022 21: 34
      -5
      Quote: p0pulivox
      About Kazakhstan and the United States, too, is unsubstantiated nonsense ...

      Will there be evidence?
  31. Sloboda0
    Sloboda0 11 January 2022 23: 31
    -1
    There is no moment of truth. It's just that in 30 years the alignment on the planet has changed a lot.
    The time has come for the determination and redistribution of orbits.
    It will inevitably be. All agreements - to one place.
    It's just not entirely clear how exactly ... I wouldn't want a big war.
    In my opinion, there are now two options:
    1. A certain, not yet understandable by surname "world elite" (suspiciously consisting mainly of surnames in the Latin alphabet), gradually knocks over someone big with their foreheads. Like the USA with China or the Russian Federation. Then comes the disintegration of existing control systems and the emergence of new ones, but led by the heirs of the current backstage and intriguing people.
    2. This "elite" is caught in different parts of the world, a pig squeal is heard, after which everything in general calms down. States disperse in their corners, and solve problems with small get-togethers. On other critical issues - they agree, preferring to keep everything at least as it is.
  32. Nitarius
    Nitarius 12 January 2022 07: 14
    -3
    the author .. does not study history very attentively and only knows from textbooks ..
    the war of 1812 was what .. DOMESTIC .. that is, for the FATHERLAND! war of 1917 -SECOND DOMESTIC .. and not the first world .. from the textbook! .. also DOMESTIC! and so .. we have a GREAT FATHERLAND! and all this is ours!

    https://www.tart-aria.info/tartarija-hh-vek/
    On the one hand, there are no questions why it is the "Second Patriotic War", but if you remember about the First Patriotic War, which happened a century earlier, and the conclusions drawn that "domestic" is a synonym for the word "civil", then questions arise. Is it possible that the German Empire attacked the Russian Empire, and we are talking about a possible war within one fatherland? Maybe!

    Yes, formally, at the time the war started (July 24, 1914), there were four empires in Europe: - Russian, German, Austro-Hungarian and British. But we have more than once already had occasion to make sure that states often exist only for their citizens and subjects, and genuine borders dividing the spheres of influence of the monarchs are in no way connected with the drawn lines on political maps. Now we turn to the full title of the Russian emperor:

    “By God's mercy, Nicholas II, emperor and autocrat of All-Russian, Moscow, Kiev, Vladimir, Novgorod; king of Kazan, king of Astrakhan, king of Poland, king of Siberia, king of Tauric Chersonesos, king of Georgia; Sovereign Pskov and Grand Duke Smolensky, Lithuanian, Volyn, Podolsky and Finland; Prince of Estland, Livonia, Courland and Semigalsky, Samogitsky, Bialystok, Korelsky, Tver, Ugra, Perm, Vyatka, Bulgaria and others; the sovereign and the Grand Duke of Novgorod of the lower lands, Chernigov, Ryazan, Polotsky, Rostov, Yaroslavl, Belozersky, Udora, Obdorsky, Kondia, Vitebsk, Mstislavsky and all the Northern countries; and sovereign of Iversky, Kartalinsky and Kabardinsky lands and areas of Armenians; Cherkasy and Mountain Princes and other hereditary sovereign and possessor, sovereign of Turkestan; the Norwegian heir, the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein, Stormarn, Ditmarsensky and Oldenburg and the like, and the other. ”

    Firstly, the presence of Tartar titles such as Udora and Obdorsky attracts attention. Secondly, we see that Nicholas is, it turns out, "the Duke of Schleswig-Holstein, Stormarnsky, Dietmarsen and Oldenburg and others, and ...". All these are the principalities located on the territory of modern Germany, Austria and Denmark. And the "other" includes the Principality of Luxembourg, where German troops invaded, declaring war on Russia on August 1, 1914.

    And this is the moment of truth. Precisely because Luxembourg was part of the Russian Empire, and he was attacked by a country that formally, like England, was friendly, because both in Britain and in Russia, the ruling monarchies were related by kinship, they all came from the Oldenburg family, Nikolai called the war Patriotic. What did the British do? They used this circumstance to draw Russia into the Entente, and at the same time set the German and Austro-Hungarian empires against Russia. And even then everything was predetermined: - the collapse of the Russian Empire, with the transfer of its rights and territories in favor of the legitimate heirs in accordance with the Maritime (international) law - Saxe-Coburg-Goths, which are now called Windsors.
  33. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 12 January 2022 11: 13
    +1
    Quote: Dart2027
    Quote: p0pulivox
    About Kazakhstan and the United States, too, is unsubstantiated nonsense ...

    Will there be evidence?

    negative For the gifted: the accusing side proves!
    1. Victorio
      Victorio 12 January 2022 22: 15
      -1
      Quote: p0pulivox
      Quote: Dart2027
      Quote: p0pulivox
      About Kazakhstan and the United States, too, is unsubstantiated nonsense ...

      Will there be evidence?

      negative For the gifted: the accusing side proves!

      ===
      and the lawyer is not proves innocence?
  34. Illanatol
    Illanatol 12 January 2022 13: 44
    0
    Quote: Terran Ghost
    The already beginning "Second Cold War" will be waged over the structure of the globalized world economy, and most importantly, the location and role of its "governing centers". Its participants are the USA and China (exactly), the European Union (possibly)


    It is not a fact that the "globalized world economy" itself will survive in its present form.
    Its disintegration into separate segments, regionalization is quite possible.
    By the way, the PRC is already trying to outline and limit its sphere of interests with its "New Silk Road" project. I believe that the PRC understands that they will not take the full place of the United States as a global leader, and they do not really need to.

    Do you seriously believe that there will be some clearly established rules and conflicts will occur exclusively in the financial and economic sphere?
    Oh well. Something similar was supposed on the eve of the First World War, but as it turned out ...
    So it is too early to write off "feudal methods" and the possibility of a completely hot war.
  35. Illanatol
    Illanatol 12 January 2022 13: 49
    -1
    Quote: Kronos
    These are flawed analogies. A conditional fat man can rivet more army and navy because he will have reserves, but a strong but light Jackie Chan after the first impulse will have nothing to continue with.


    Yah? What are the reserves? Fat with bacon?
    Jackie Chan's muscles and strong skeleton are analogous to the military.
    To rivet the army and navy, you need a developed real sector of the economy, a real industrial potential (like the PRC), and not a financial casino with candy wrappers and McDonald's at every turn (like a fat trap).
    In terms of industrial production, China surpassed the United States 15 years ago. All you have to do is go to a supermarket and see how many products are "made in China" and how many are "made in the USA".
    And the United States has a huge deficit in foreign trade with China. Skinny Jackie Chan feeds the fat one, planting a percentage. Shows bills for payment - the fat man will have to change his diet.
  36. viktor_47
    viktor_47 12 January 2022 22: 20
    +1
    Without a decisive revision of economic policy and an end to the unbridled plunder of the country, the calculations to eliminate military threats to Russia's security are completely unfounded.
  37. Thomas the Unbelieving
    Thomas the Unbelieving 12 January 2022 23: 08
    0
    War is the continuation of competition by other, not only military, means. For now, we need a peaceful respite, and they are satisfied with the status quo. These negotiations may be needed at the new Nuremberg process, if it takes place. Although now there are enough materials against warmongers.
  38. Iron
    Iron 12 January 2022 23: 27
    -1
    Quote: Eroma
    From common sense, this is an alliance with China at least

    Well, for the PRC, we are an ideological enemy. Therefore, they will not agree to an alliance. They will trade. And why would they need such an ally? They themselves are great fellows, as in the time of the USSR.
  39. Iron
    Iron 12 January 2022 23: 29
    -1
    Quote: Thomas the Unbeliever
    These negotiations may be needed at the new Nuremberg trial,

    Winners always judge. Have we already won? Or will we win with no options? And if not?...
  40. Iron
    Iron 12 January 2022 23: 37
    -1
    Quote: yuriy55
    A country whose guaranteed future is to go to heaven when THEY will die ...

    Is it serious about heaven ?! HE personally agreed on this ?! Or what about the retirement age?
  41. Iron
    Iron 12 January 2022 23: 55
    -1
    Quote: flicker
    The choice is for the United States, or they will die (together with their allies) or retreat!
    That's it!

    It's scary how it happened ... I have a friend who lives in Israel. And when will they "ALL"? At least I will call, I will say goodbye ...
  42. Illanatol
    Illanatol 13 January 2022 08: 58
    +1
    Quote: Victorio

    ===
    and the lawyer is not proves innocence?


    The presumption of innocence has already been archived?
  43. Selin Andrey
    Selin Andrey 13 January 2022 10: 09
    0
    If the negotiations end in nothing, in my opinion, one of the ways to show that the intentions of the Russian Federation are serious is to introduce a label for the NATO member states, like the Czech Republic. Only not "unfriendly", but like "partners walk on the brink ...". Well, immediately after that, so that it is clear that there is beyond the bounds, for example, so to speak, after the next drop of some clown like the Balts or Poland - a complete rupture of diplomatic and economic relations. With the blocking of everything and everyone. Poland is better suited.
  44. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 13 January 2022 17: 46
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    Quote: Dart2027
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    About Kazakhstan and the United States, too, is unsubstantiated nonsense ...

    Will there be evidence?

    negative For the gifted: the accusing side proves!

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    and the lawyer is not proves innocence?

    If there is one, then he refutes the arguments of the prosecution, taking into account the presumption of innocence, but in this case there are no lawyers or arguments ... winked