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“In a couple of months the same will happen with us because of the prices for gas and electricity”: readers of the Polish press react to the events in Kazakhstan

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The foreign press reacts to the riots and reports of hostilities against terrorist groups in Kazakhstan. Moreover, it reacts in different ways.

What does the Polish press write about this and how do Polish readers comment on the situation?

The Polish press focuses on what formally triggered the protest in Kazakhstan. It points to an approximately twofold increase in gas prices in "a state that is a major exporter of hydrocarbons." The Polish media write about the breakthrough by the protesters of the police cordons, robberies of banks and shops, attempts to seize the airport of Almaty. At the same time, the Polish press does not inform its readers that by the decision of the President of the country, the release of prices for liquefied gas was canceled a short time after the jump in these prices.

Most of all, the Polish press pays attention to the request from Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev for assistance through the CSTO. Polish journalists write that now “Russian and Belarusian troops will appear on the territory of Kazakhstan”.

Comments from Polish readers:

I wonder if something like this happened in Mexico or Canada, the US would send its troops there?

In a couple of months, the same will happen with us, when prices for gas and electricity rise and when the government makes them exchange-traded and unsubsidized.

And what, "Law and Justice" also rules there? .. (for reference: we are talking about the ruling party of Poland).

When we overthrew communism like this. And now we can only mutter something under our breath.

Moscow is restoring the former USSR.

In the German press, attention is focused on the fact that "the Kazakh government does not agree to a dialogue with the people." At the same time, the authors in the German media do not specify with whom specifically the republic's authorities should enter into dialogue - with those who shoot at the police, are fighting with the military personnel of the Airborne Forces, or with those who rob banks and shops.

Meanwhile, the main Kazakhstani information resources remain without access. The pages of millions of Kazakhstani users on social networks do not function.
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  1. Flooding
    Flooding 6 January 2022 10: 42
    +45
    In a couple of months, the same will happen with us, when gas and electricity prices rise.

    It would be fair if the EU experienced what it has in store for others.
    Mostly true.
    1. den3080
      den3080 6 January 2022 10: 46
      +11
      Down with Dudu !! Right!!
      1. 210ox
        210ox 6 January 2022 10: 56
        +16
        Well, down with it. What's next? Another will come. I don't give a damn about pshekiyu, what is there with gas and electricity.
        1. The black
          The black 6 January 2022 11: 26
          +21
          Any citizen in any state should have the right to protest .... peaceful protest. But the events in Kazakhstan are not the case. Yes, the authorities got drunk, but they brought the people. Indisputably. Come out, hold a meeting, go on strike. None of this actually happened. The rally allegedly immediately took the form of aggression. Further more. The murder of police officers and military personnel, robberies, violence, looting ... there was no smell of peaceful protest ...
          On the other hand, the ears of our Western partners were clearly sticking out, especially Polish and Ukrainian resources.
          1. private person
            private person 6 January 2022 12: 21
            +6
            Come out, hold a meeting, go on strike. None of this actually happened.

            But what's the point of these rallies? Security officials will come to shoot a video and then talk to those who were there. And after this Sabbath, the next time the government of Kazakhstan will think about doing something.
            1. Flooding
              Flooding 6 January 2022 13: 02
              -5
              Quote: private person
              after this Sabbath, the next time the government of Kazakhstan will think about doing something.

              the only thing I agree with is the definition of "sabbath"
              the rest is from the crafty
              1. private person
                private person 6 January 2022 14: 06
                +4
                the rest is from the crafty

                Well, why, after all, everything began peacefully. But the crowd, warmed up by the policemen's clubs, went into a rage, and then the "mass entertainers" entered the arena and away we go.
                1. Flooding
                  Flooding 6 January 2022 14: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: private person
                  Well why

                  I'm talking about these words of yours
                  Quote: private person
                  But what's the point of these rallies? Security officials will come and shoot a video and then talk to those who were there.

                  We must fight for our rights and freedoms, against arbitrariness and abuse.
                  Best of all - within the framework of the law.
                  Do not give up.

                  The words that the struggle is useless - they are from the evil one.
                  1. fa2998
                    fa2998 6 January 2022 15: 01
                    +5
                    Quote: Flood
                    We must fight for our rights and freedoms, against arbitrariness and abuse.
                    Best of all - within the framework of the law.
                    Do not give up.

                    The words that the struggle is useless - they are from the evil one.

                    Authoritarian regimes, for DECADES of being in power, adopt laws "BY YOURSELF."
                  2. private person
                    private person 6 January 2022 15: 12
                    +4
                    We must fight for our rights and freedoms, against arbitrariness and abuse.
                    Best of all - within the framework of the law.

                    Well, I directly applaud your words standing. Whoever is in power is at the moment the law, even if the majority does not agree with them.
                    1. Flooding
                      Flooding 6 January 2022 15: 17
                      +2
                      Quote: private person
                      Whoever is in power is at the moment the law, even if the majority does not agree with them.

                      do what you have to
                      what the conscience tells

                      and these words are not at all in support of the bandit arsonists

                      I am for a law-abiding united civil society defending its interests
                      1. private person
                        private person 6 January 2022 15: 26
                        +7
                        I am for a law-abiding united civil society defending its interests

                        What is it like? How about the elections? Vote, do not vote, you will get everything exactly .............
                      2. Flooding
                        Flooding 6 January 2022 16: 05
                        -3
                        Quote: private person
                        What is it like? How about the elections?

                        I wrote it clearly as:
                        do what you must and it will happen what is destined

                        never lose heart and smear snot
                        even if not us, so children and grandchildren live in a fairer state
                    2. Uncle Vanya Susanin
                      Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 January 2022 12: 03
                      +1
                      But what's the point of these rallies? Security officials will come to shoot a video and then talk to those who were there. And after this Sabbath, the next time the government of Kazakhstan will think about doing something.


                      Well, I directly applaud your words standing. Whoever is in power is at the moment the law, even if the majority does not agree with them.

                      Yes, yes, in Ukraine and other countries who survived the color revolutions, they also applaud you standing up !!!
                      More bloody frenzy, tilka hardcore good
        2. den3080
          den3080 6 January 2022 16: 18
          +6
          Quote: 210ox
          Well, down with it. What's next? Another will come. I don't give a damn about pshekiyu, what is there with gas and electricity.

          And then a mess, a change of Polish preziks and governments every 2-3 months and until the state of Libya, if they don't wiser, which is unlikely to happen.
          good
          And this ... FREEDOM FOR JULIAN ASSANGE !!!!
          1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
            Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 January 2022 12: 05
            0
            And this ... FREEDOM FOR JULIAN ASSANGE !!!!

            All to the barricades, we are in power here !!! yes
      2. Incvizitor
        Incvizitor 6 January 2022 15: 47
        +2
        The main owner is still behind a puddle, and these clowns in power on the spot can change as much as they like.
    2. Finches
      Finches 6 January 2022 10: 47
      +36
      It is clear that ordinary people have nothing to do with it, but everything is in the politics of the elites, but I am for the Maidans in Poland, France, Germany ... so that you can feel the whole meaning of the biblical phrase: "Since they sowed the wind, they will reap the storm! "
    3. fruc
      fruc 6 January 2022 10: 48
      +7
      ....... the same will happen with us when gas and electricity prices rise and when the government makes them exchange-traded and unsubsidized.

      I think the Poles and Balts have nothing to worry about about this, the EU, represented by Germany, will pay all the costs in the form of subsidies. wink
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 6 January 2022 11: 06
        +2
        More subsidies, fewer tanks.
    4. paul3390
      paul3390 6 January 2022 10: 48
      +15
      And everything goes to that. Even the Basmachi have already been delivered in commercial quantities. Or does someone believe that these are really unfortunate refugees looking for a better life?
      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 6 January 2022 11: 04
        -9
        I think that the collective peacekeeping forces of the CSTO were in vain. This will only worsen the situation. It's like putting out a flame with gasoline. I think that everything would have died down in Kazakhstan in a week, but now I don't know what will happen there. Protest against the introduction of foreign armies. So it’s not far from the war. The events in Afghanistan began in approximately the same way.
        MOSCOW, January 6. / TASS /. The collective peacekeeping forces of the Collective Security Treaty Organization (CSTO) have been sent to Kazakhstan, the advanced units from the Russian contingent have already begun to fulfill their tasks. This was reported to journalists on Thursday at the CSTO secretariat.


        ... "In accordance with the decision of the CSTO Collective Security Council, adopted on January 6, 2022, the Collective Peacekeeping Forces of the Collective Security Treaty Organization were sent to the Republic of Kazakhstan for a limited time to stabilize and normalize the situation," the secretariat said.

        They noted that the advanced units of the Russian part of the peacekeeping contingent "have already begun to fulfill the assigned tasks."

        According to the organization, the peacekeeping forces included subdivisions of the Armed Forces of Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Tajikistan and Kyrgyzstan.


        "The main tasks of the Collective Peacekeeping Forces of the CSTO will be the protection of important state and military facilities, assistance to the forces of law and order of the Republic of Kazakhstan in stabilizing the situation and returning it to the legal field," the CSTO stressed.

        https://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/13361949


        1. paul3390
          paul3390 6 January 2022 11: 50
          -2
          I think that collective peacekeeping forces were introduced in vain

          Is there any other choice? It is not a fact that the local bai will cope on their own - it’s too painful for them to look like the people are ostamonelled. And the Russian Federation certainly cannot admit the barmaleevs there. As well as American bases with missiles right next to the industrial centers of the Urals and Siberia .. So - like it or not - you have to go into a meat grinder. And - on the side of the regime, which no one seems to support for a long time! Congratulations. Another rake. But they warned - it was still necessary to put pressure on the Banderlog in Ukraine! But no, they began to chew snot, playing with dear partners in some kind of agreement .. Showing the most obvious weakness and inability to clearly defend their interests. And - what? Now we got Kazakhstan. Which is impossible to lose by rail. What are we going to say to the Kazakhs by introducing troops there? Great guys, we've come to protect your beys from you? So that they can continue to rob you? Great layout ..

          In general, our government has played out games with the rich. They profuked everything that was possible on all outskirts without exception .. Who was there broadcasting about the wise plans of our dear guarantor? Which type sees everything knows everything? Yes, in our country, he does not seem to control anything, what can we say about the neighbors!
        2. The black
          The black 6 January 2022 11: 55
          +10
          I think that the collective peacekeeping forces of the CSTO were in vain. This will only worsen the situation. It's like extinguishing a flame with gasoline. I think that everything would have died down in Kazakhstan in a week, but now I don't know what will happen there.

          It would not subside. If the authorities had delayed a little more, then everything ... Some of the army and police were already demoralized, the rest either followed them, or simply would not have been able to fulfill the assigned tasks.
          The deployment of peacekeepers was necessary. Yes, this is not the best option, but here either pan or disappear. It is not necessary to throw peacekeepers to disperse the crowd. This, I think, will be mainly dealt with by the Kazakh subdivisions (and are already doing it). Peacekeepers, however, can take under protection (and I think they have taken, for example, Baikonur), airports, large economic facilities, etc. ..... and thereby release the Kazakh security forces .... So, that's right. The introduction of peacekeepers is justified
    5. alex neym_2
      alex neym_2 6 January 2022 10: 56
      +27
      In Geyrope, people took to the streets against quarantine without weapons, without pogroms, as they considered the conditions very harsh - they were quickly dispersed with water cannons and gas! This is democracy!
      1. Aerodrome
        Aerodrome 6 January 2022 11: 04
        +2
        "In a couple of months, the same will happen with us because of the prices for gas and electricity":
        ANY readers, ANY press react to events in Kazakhstan, "merry" times are coming, the world is shaking.
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      1. Orange bigg
        Orange bigg 6 January 2022 11: 28
        +14
        Quote: Bar1
        In erefia, prices are inflated, do you like that greedy cattle profit from the people?

        First of all, for the dismissive attitude towards Russia in a decent society, you know what they are doing. Secondly, why don't you live comfortably in your own square? There was not enough space in Poland to collect strawberries or what? You have already successfully destroyed your Ukraine. It is not your business what we like in Russia and what we don’t, solve your problems in your country. you are trying to incite someone here in Russia, here you are not always galloping Ukraine. Nobody will come out to do all the bullshit like you came out in 2014. All your attempts to provoke someone are completely useless.
    7. valera75
      valera75 6 January 2022 11: 19
      +5
      They will kill them right away, it's not democracy in Russia or the daddy in Belarus there, like yellow jellies, they will stupidly extinguish and then plant them like they stormed the Capitol. In short, prisoners or death await those striking in the west.
  2. Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 6 January 2022 10: 43
    +11
    just read the Polish form, Russia is to blame, wants to rob, etc.
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 6 January 2022 11: 05
      +2
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      just read the Polish forum, Russia is to blame, wants to rob, etc.

      And what to rob in Poland? Apples with strawberries? Bells from the spiers of Krakow? request
      1. Normal
        Normal 6 January 2022 11: 14
        +3
        Quote: sabakina
        Bells from the spiers of Krakow?

        ??
        Maybe the bells are still on the bell towers, and not on the spiers?
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 6 January 2022 11: 40
          +3
          Quote: Normal
          and not on the spiers?

          Tady spiers themselves! wassat
          1. Normal
            Normal 6 January 2022 11: 46
            +1
            Yes Yes. Spiers are our everything.
            Skrepa, in fact ....
  3. yuriy55
    yuriy55 6 January 2022 10: 45
    -21
    Meanwhile, the main Kazakhstani information resources remain without access. The pages of millions of Kazakhstani users on social networks do not function.

    That is why it is so easy to believe that the Kazakh authorities cannot choose with whom to conduct a dialogue: with the people or
    with those who shoot the police, are fighting with the military personnel of the Airborne Forces, or with those who rob banks and shops.

    Therefore, she began to negotiate with the heads of the CSTO member states. It is so democratic in the light of Kazakhstan's domestic and foreign policies.
    1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 6 January 2022 11: 11
      +6
      It is useless to talk to those who run through the streets and rampage, because they still don’t want to hear anything.
      And with those who sit at home it is useless, because they still do not want to influence anything and cannot.
      First you need to calm down, and only then talk.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 6 January 2022 11: 18
        -7
        Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
        It is useless to talk to those who run through the streets and rampage, because they still don’t want to hear anything.

        What kind of fish thinking do you have? Who makes you talk to the bandits? You can try the laws of wartime - I assure you that these are very effective laws. True, there is one quirk - apparently the power structures of Kazakhstan refused to act this way ... Hence the kneeling plea for salvation ... The question is - who? The power that has lost touch with the people and got drunk to the point of impossibility or state foundations?
    2. paul3390
      paul3390 6 January 2022 11: 18
      -12
      No matter how they try to pour it into their ears about the gangs of militants, the truth is obvious. Not - probably there are some gangs there, but what was the root cause? And this is the transcendental greed of the bourgeois in all post-Soviet countries, the people, driven to poverty in their own rich lands, the future, completely absent from the people, the situation in the country, which is only getting worse every year, open betrayal of the interests of the people and the state by the ruling elites, nothing except for their own pocket not interested ..

      And if someone thinks that everything is not so in Putin's RF, then he lives in the virtual world of Solovyov with Simonyans .. IN ALL former Soviet Socialist Republics, approximately the same audience came to power. Poured from one barrel. So - no one is immune from anything.

      And the main lesson from the Kazakh booze is that even your most faithful nukers cannot be trusted .. Avon - the policemen either openly sabotage the defense of the regime, or even go over to the side of the people. And the elite - immediately arrange a massive drape from the country. How will the personnel of the National Guard and the police behave, if in our country they finally bring the people to their feet? Question. Let the adored guarantor take a good look at what is happening along the borders - however, of course, he will not draw useful conclusions for people. Wrong character. They will continue to squeeze until the juice splashes in all directions.
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 6 January 2022 11: 43
        -5
        Quote: paul3390
        And the main lesson from the Kazakh buza

        Will it come to our powers that be? repeat
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 6 January 2022 12: 01
          -5
          Of course not. Bourgeois in general, except for the dough, can not see anything. Therefore, they are doomed historically. So they will spread rot people as long as they can. And then to be surprised - oh-oh, why did it suddenly flare up? What a horror - again, the most advanced, the most creative, the best with pure, bright faces, the salt of the earth - the big-headed peasant hangs on the lanterns ..
          1. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 6 January 2022 12: 36
            +3
            Quote: paul3390
            hangs on the lanterns ..

            It was in 17 ... And in a hundred years it has already been forgotten! am
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 6 January 2022 12: 49
              -3
              Well I say - the bourgeoisie loot the eyes and the mind obscures ..
              1. Uncle lee
                Uncle lee 6 January 2022 12: 59
                +3
                Quote: paul3390
                bourgeois loot eyes and mind obscures ..

            2. Alexander Kruglov
              Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 12: 26
              +1
              That's the problem
  4. bober1982
    bober1982 6 January 2022 10: 48
    +13
    The Poles have nothing to worry about, they worry in vain, they will not have any disturbances.
    They rightly noted about the robberies of shops and arson of cars.
    There has always been a curious connection between the struggle for social justice and robbery, murder and looting. That is, all the dregs and evil spirits climb out of all the cracks, in the name of the good of the people.
  5. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 6 January 2022 10: 51
    +25
    Very unlikely. Any protests in Europe will be flooded with tear gas, rubber bullets and water cannons will also help ... they will not hesitate to use weapons! Defending democracy requires sacrifice. wassat They can do that! They allowed themselves EVERYTHING.
    It is impossible for OTHERS. Not democratic ...
  6. Troll
    Troll 6 January 2022 10: 52
    +6
    Come on Poland. In Germany too, people started talking about street protests over gas prices. It's time they say to go out into the streets.
    But there is no spark yet.
    ..
    Homes are heated with gas and the price tags for 22 years have skyrocketed.
    1. Normann
      Normann 6 January 2022 11: 07
      +5
      Market economy - it is necessary to impose more sanctions against SP-2, then it will definitely become cheaper.
    2. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 6 January 2022 11: 19
      +3
      In Bulgaria, it is generally tough, about 70% of greenhouses do not work due to high prices for gas and electricity. About 10000 thousand workers will be laid off. The most necessary ones will be left. The brothers wanted to quietly build an intercorrector through Greece. the press appears on the clauses of a contract with Azeirbadzhan on gas. From now on, only on the basis of the Azeirbadzhan press. Azeirbadzhan has where to supply gas to Europe. If there is an opportunity to break the contract legally, Azeirbaydzhan will do it. So the brothers are next in line. Moreover, the government chosen by them made a gift on New Year's Eve with gas and electricity. So let them pay the communal apartment regularly, otherwise I overstayed for the New Year, and they will give 13 only in February.
    3. Sergey Gusak
      Sergey Gusak 6 January 2022 11: 37
      +4
      These are not people, they are terrorists.
      1. Alexander Kruglov
        Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 12: 27
        0
        18 million Kazakh terrorists? Every first?
        1. Sergey Gusak
          Sergey Gusak 7 January 2022 13: 35
          -2
          Sarcasm, Tokayev and the local, overgrown, stupid people think so.
  7. sabakina
    sabakina 6 January 2022 10: 57
    +6
    In a couple of months, the same will happen with us, when prices for gas and electricity rise and when the government makes them exchange-traded and unsubsidized.
    Poles, do not worry, you will not have this. Well, democratically, neatly, they'll break a couple of ribs, bit the dogs a little, pour cold water on them, and for "sweet" they'll give them a little pepper gas. And that's all. Take it easy.
  8. Most polite
    Most polite 6 January 2022 10: 58
    +7
    The authorities came to their senses and finally began to crush the looters and hooligans harshly. Moreover, all the chaos was happening mainly only in Almaty, and in my opinion this was done on purpose. In the west of the republic, where it all began with rallies, everything is still fine. Where the akims went out to the people and calmly discussed the claims and problems of the protesters, no one robbed or killed, everything was decided in a working order. The drunks and other rabble were specially warned to stay at home and not provoke.
    But in Almaty something went wrong and marginalized and lawless people took up.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 7 January 2022 12: 16
      +5
      Moreover, all the chaos was happening mainly only in Almaty, and in my opinion this was done on purpose.

      Absolutely, either Takaev is an experienced politician, or someone prompted him, using the example of Alma-Ata, they showed that they carry pretests and rebellion with them, and who these rebels really are, now they will be rolled into the asphalt as hard as possible, clearing out all opposition for a long time ahead, and the people will only clap their hands and praise the government that has brought order!
      1. Fiesta
        Fiesta 7 January 2022 23: 19
        +1
        Yes, in general, it is possible that the unrest themselves, not without Tokayev's "approval", passed. He actually "walked" under Nazarbayev before, and now the latter shamefully fled the country during the difficulties, while Tokayev remained and took control of the Security Council. For the sake of interest, I asked my acquaintances Kazakhs - they even have a theory that all these security officials who surrendered to the rioters and were inactive were Nazarbayev's loyalists, who tried to prevent Tokayev from completely seizing power in this way. As far as I understand, Tokayev therefore turned to the CSTO.

        All this time I thought that the next "color revolution", but after reflection I think that this is more like an internal showdown for power.
  9. rocket757
    rocket757 6 January 2022 10: 58
    +3
    In the German press, attention is focused on the fact that "the Kazakh government does not agree to a dialogue with the people."
    ... And where is the elite going to dialogue with the people ??? She has other Wishlist .... when Wishlist goes over the edge, then the mess begins.
    But this does not lead to anything good, in any way ... for many, quite understandable and objective reasons.
    Someone will take advantage of this situation and these will be people, organizations that are certainly not for the masses, they have different goals, as always.
    There will be a palace coup and everything will return to normal, new / old bai will come, which had previously been pushed away from the state trough ...
    Nothing new in general.
    1. paul3390
      paul3390 6 January 2022 11: 28
      -5
      And where is the elite going to dialogue with the people ??? She has other Wishlist .... when Wishlist goes over the edge, then the mess begins.

      That is why - everyone who does not give a damn about the fate of the Motherland needs to organize now. By joining, say, the Communist Party and trying to cleanse it of traitors such as Genosse Zyu. So that when we inevitably flare up, there would be some kind of pro-people force that could prevent outright ghouls like Tsegabonia or some murky militants like in Central Asia from coming to power on the wave of protests. th, and not the collapse of the country. The goal of which will be the restoration of Soviet power and the USSR. And only then will we have hope for the future. Everything depends on ourselves, only on ourselves. Nobody else will help us and will not do the job for us. Alas, the distant Red Army will not gallop along. And the bourgeoisie - they will finish the country with iron, do not go to the grandmother. Everything goes to that. Look around. So that..
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 6 January 2022 11: 43
        0
        Quote: paul3390
        That is why - everyone who does not give a damn about the fate of the Motherland needs to organize now.

        It was necessary to unite the day before yesterday ... however, it is better now, if it hasn’t realized earlier that together we are POWER, and one by one, they will crush and not notice.
        The question is, around whom, what is the unifying goal, what direction of action, development ...
        In general, the slogan, for all good, against all bad ... few people inspire.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 6 January 2022 11: 56
          -5
          It is possible to unite the majority of the people, my deepest conviction, only around one goal - the return of Soviet power. Even if someone does not like it, this is the only way to save the country. Around whom? Communist Party. Stripped of traitors and opportunists. Who will do it? You. I. Everyone else. Is there any other option? Will the distant Red Army gallop along and do us well? Alas - it will not gallop. We pissed it off 30 years ago.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 6 January 2022 12: 19
            -3
            The question is ... which task is more realistic ??? To "cleanse" the party, which is the Communist Party of the Russian Federation or through common efforts, through reforms, to make the current system more "humane".
            Now, a lot of effort, a lot of money has been invested in discrediting our socialist past and praising today's capitalism !!!
            All this is serious enough, thought out and results, some, they achieve .... alas, alas, what their opponents have does not inspire in any way.
            Moreover, a LOT of mistakes are made!
            We have such agitators here, for the communists, there are ... it would be better if they were not there, they would be useful for the communist idea, too.
            By the way, I would like to draw your attention to your words .... first "clear" the party, and then fight for .... it is clear, in short, TWO STEPS, with not guaranteed results!?!?!?
            And what the authorities are proposing ... now they will be cleansed of bureaucrats and other degenerates, and they will cope with poverty once / twice ... within a specific time frame, at least. No, no, this is not about social justice, as such, but an acceptable level of responsibility of the state to citizens, it seems like it will be!
            The question is ... a person who is tired of EVERYTHING, what will he choose here and now?
            A crane in the sky or a titmouse in your hand?
            I won't even bet on the probability ... DON'T KNOW request
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 6 January 2022 12: 52
              -2
              now they will be cleansed of bureaucrats and other degenerates and will cope with poverty once / twice

              Well - you understand that this - will never happen? How will the ruling class get rid of itself ?? And with poverty - the robbery of the people is the basis of their well-being. How will they refuse it? What will they live on? And to live - they are accustomed to ugly ..
              1. rocket757
                rocket757 6 January 2022 13: 03
                0
                I understand, that's why I always say when asked ... I, a Soviet person, on the very idea, and not because nostalgia.
                The problem is that our ranks ... are thinning, at least not increasing.
                Precisely because for all the good, against all the bad, right off the bat, this is not at all something around which you can rally the masses, gather like-minded people.
                We need an understandable, achievable idea, acceptable to large masses ... now, and not sometime later.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 6 January 2022 13: 10
                  -3
                  You need a clear, achievable idea, acceptable for large masses.

                  What does the Soviet government with its guarantees of social justice do not suit you in this capacity? what
                  1. rocket757
                    rocket757 6 January 2022 14: 44
                    +2
                    This is not a conversation about me, but about those who are neither this nor that ... there are a lot of them and in which direction they swing, I can not imagine.
                    You can believe that a handful, albeit not small, but not overwhelming by its majority, maybe NOW, do something like this, read to turn the country on a different course ???
                    It is necessary to conquer the masses, to direct them ... in general, without the masses and to direct them, which will not work now.
                    It means simply by slogans that everything was good then, but now everything is bad ... no, no, our upper ones, do not be foolish, they will give what they consider to be theirs, for nothing !!!
                    You need a force that will go for a real idea, to conquer ...
                    In general, in simple terms, it will no longer work.
                  2. kalibr
                    kalibr 7 January 2022 15: 51
                    -1
                    Quote: paul3390
                    its guarantees of social justice

                    Because the guarantees were worthless. Everything is like Orwell's: all animals are equal, but some are more equal!
            2. Alexander Kruglov
              Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 13: 52
              -3
              No, it is unrealistic to cleanse the Communist Party of the Russian Federation of opportunists and compromisers with the occupational, bourgeois power of the Russian Federation - for 25 years there have been many such attempts and they all ended in nothing. Zyuganov and the entire top of the Communist Party of the Russian Federation lies tightly under the Presidential Administration of the Russian Federation.
              This is the name of this party: the Communist Party of the Russian Federation - Counter-revolutionary (Comprador, Commercial, Pocket, Corruption, Kremlin - add to taste) Party of the Russian Federation. Now it is necessary to create a party of a new type - the party of the socialist revolution, which will not sit in the backyard of the bourgeois Dumas, but will take full power in the country into its own hands, return the socialist system, the dictatorship of the proletariat, the power of the Workers' Soviets, return the subsoil, natural resources, basic means of production - factories and plants, banks in the state property of the whole people.
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      3. kalibr
        kalibr 7 January 2022 15: 50
        -1
        Quote: paul3390
        By joining, say, the Communist Party and trying to cleanse it of traitors such as Genosse Zu

        For a long time on VO no one told jokes. And so it happened. It is easy to cleanse Genosse Zu. Wait a little and he will die. But how do you "cleanse" the theory?
  10. Dart2027
    Dart2027 6 January 2022 11: 03
    +4
    In Poland, American puppets are already ruling, so no one will arrange anything there.
  11. Asad
    Asad 6 January 2022 11: 03
    +1
    How many people have so many opinions! The main thing at the moment is the speedy resolution of the conflict!
    1. Alexander Kruglov
      Alexander Kruglov 7 January 2022 13: 55
      -3
      Class conflicts will not be resolved soon. The main issue of the revolution is the issue of power and property in the state. And until this issue is fundamentally resolved in favor of one of the parties, the conflict will not end.
  12. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 6 January 2022 11: 06
    +4
    What and how will be there, in Poland, we don't care. But the Kazakhs to us, the Russians, are a close people. I studied in a Soviet school and the word "Kazakh" and "Panfilovites" for me is not an empty word.
  13. El Chuvachino
    El Chuvachino 6 January 2022 11: 21
    +3
    Where did the Kabanets and brothers like him go? I would like to ask whether he is satisfied with the rallies or not!
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  15. Sergey Gusak
    Sergey Gusak 6 January 2022 11: 34
    -1
    Which press? Who said? And who is the author? VO level news.
  16. Nikolay Sayenko
    Nikolay Sayenko 6 January 2022 11: 35
    +4
    Here at the nezalezhny beauty, here gas at gas stations is 1.5 times more expensive than gasoline and diesel. They were simply closed and ... silence. Therefore, Omerikans do not allow INTO. laughing
  17. Avior
    Avior 6 January 2022 11: 52
    -5
    In a couple of months it will be the same with us.

    Oh, those Poles!

    Tokayev, however, clearly announced that foreign terrorists had invaded Kazakhstan, dissatisfied with the rise in gas prices at gas stations.
    smile
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  19. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 6 January 2022 18: 10
    +1
    "In a couple of months, the same will happen with us because of the prices for gas and electricity."

    Nothing! In a couple of months, spring will come, they will warm up on the street!
  20. Teador
    Teador 6 January 2022 22: 02
    0
    Well, Poland doesn’t seem to be ruled by dictators. And then in Kazakhstan there are two of them at once. All color revolutions under the Dictatorship. And people live worse. And in friends. "
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  25. faterdom
    faterdom 7 January 2022 10: 57
    +2
    Poles, Panov, how do you endure? After all, there are still so many whole shops and ATMs near you? It's all yours, you just have to go and get it from the fat Polish cats that serve the German masters!
  26. Crabong
    Crabong 7 January 2022 11: 56
    +1
    Only in the "first" world, in democratic Europe, similar protesters will very quickly receive a star!