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Kazakhstan: it could have been different

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Kazakhstan: it could have been different

"Gas attack"



Most likely, the threat of an explosion in Kazakhstan, a social one that quickly grew into a political one, was suspected not only there. And, most likely, the same Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev, as well as Nursultan Nazarbayev, who sat in the shadows, was warned about this.


But the warned, apparently, were not at all the same. One call from Moscow could change, if not everything, then a lot. But if they did call, then again - not those to whom they would listen. As for the main integration structure, the Eurasian Economic Union, there were clearly no gestures at all.

And in general, what is the EAEU? Why is it better than the EU, which is bursting at all the seams, or the “toy” Union State? That is why, apart from freedom of goods and an open border with Belarus, an ordinary person is neither warm nor cold.

Oh, if the EAEU was any kind of capable union. But in the situation with the Kazakh "gas maidan" this structure, as if created for retired bureaucrats, once again demonstrated its incapacity.

Other integration


It seems that there is nothing in this structure that will work in real politics. There are also no effective mechanisms for commodity and, in general, economic mutual assistance between the participating countries.

"Only business and nothing personal, that is, superfluous"? Is this the motto of this integration structure? So after all, it was the tough business that always dictated and today dictates politics. Unless, of course, politicians are in the clouds.

Even before the current crisis, Alexey Portansky, professor of the Department of Trade Policy at the Higher School of Economics (HSE) of the Russian Federation, characterized the prospects for economic integration through the EAEU in an extremely harsh manner:

“It will not be possible for the EAEU to become a real competitive grouping in the world economy as soon as its creators would like it to be. The longer the geopolitical interests of Russia outweigh the economic ones in the EAEU, the longer the formation of the union will take. Now the political component prevails, but integration should take place, first of all, in the trade and economic sphere. If there is a delay in this area, then you will have to pay for it. "

Let's make allowances for the fact that Portansky is a traditionally liberal university, but that the economy simply needs to be put ahead of politics, it follows many times proven postulates.


And this is especially important in the event of the emergence and even more an increase in the deficit there of any "fundamental" goods. And to end up with problems with gas prices in a gas-producing country - this, you see, had to be contrived. However, every day there are more and more doubts that the Kazakh Maidan is really just a "gas" one.

There is a union, there are no goods


And in general - are there real interstate commodity reserves of the Eurasian Union? It seems that there are none by definition. This can be judged by the "tacit" reaction of the EAEU-EEC (Eurasian Economic Commission) to the disastrous situation with liquefied gas in Kazakhstan. Anyway, by now.

For ten years now, the EAEU has been discussing the formation of a common market for fuel and energy products. So what? - the time frame for the creation of such a market is regularly shifted: now the year 2025 has been announced. Although to this day there is no specifics on the real stages of the formation of such a market.

Moreover, both in terms of parameters (legal, economic, geographic) of these stages, and according to the method of uniform pricing for these products and for their transit within the EAEU. If the Eurasian Economic Commission and the EAEU in general were really capable of something, the gas shortage in Kazakhstan could well have been foreseen and prevented in a timely manner.

Hence the conclusion - there was and is not, apparently, any monitoring-dynamics of the situation with these goods, and not only in Kazakhstan? On the other hand, countless solemn reports of the EAEU-EEC, as well as the top officials of the participating countries, continue about the increasingly successful allegedly social and economic development of all countries of the Union, about the stable growth of their mutual trade, about the equally successful implementation of countless integration programs, etc.

Chinese footprint?


At the same time, it is characteristic that the EEC, we repeat, does not react in any way to the situation with gas in Kazakhstan; there is also no information on possible measures taken by the EEC-EAEU to fill its deficit. But the share of exports in Kazakhstani gas production is not less than 20%, up to 90% of this export volume falls on the PRC.

It seems that Kazakhstan foresaw a gas shortage situation in connection with the rapidly growing export of this raw material to the PRC. But they tried to fill the upcoming deficit not by adjusting plans for production, processing and export, but by volumes of gas through the new Power of Siberia branch through Kazakhstan. More precisely, with these volumes the Russian Federation would have paid for the transit of gas through Kazakhstan to the PRC.


As early as February 18, 2020, the head of the Kazakh Ministry of Energy N. Nogayev told the national media that

"The Power of Siberia-2 gas pipeline, which is planned to be sent to China, can be partially laid through the territory of Kazakhstan with a subsequent exit to China."

The minister specified that “this project was proposed to the Russian side».

The Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation Alexander Novak, as N. Nogayev assured, “took this offer into account". Ultimately, in 2021, the option "Power of Siberia-2" was chosen through the Trans-Baikal Territory of the Russian Federation and Mongolia. This is due to the fact that the distance of the Mongolian transit is about half as long as the Kazakh option.

Mongolian vector


And the volume of Mongolian gas consumption is incomparably lower than Kazakhstan's - due to the dominance of coal energy in the country based on local coal resources. Accordingly, the payment for gas transit in the Mongolian version is also significantly less than for gas transit through Kazakhstan.


But even taking into account the growing crisis in the internal gas consumption of Kazakhstan, the EEC-EAEU did not track the negative impact on it of high export volumes to the PRC. And this was not the first year that was observed. By all indications, the situation in the country with gas processing and gas supply in general was simply allowed to flow.

And there were no recommendations from the EAEU-EEC, apparently, to Kazakhstan on its gas policy. In addition, the EEC did not and does not have powers guaranteeing the priority of precisely supranational internal and external economic decisions for the countries of the Union. As well as the obligation to implement these decisions.

However, do even the recommendations of the same EEC - of course, if they exist - have any real "feasibility" for any country of the Eurasian Union? .. Today, a completely different integration structure - the CSTO - comes into play.
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  1. Dart2027
    Dart2027 8 January 2022 06: 37
    +25
    This unfortunate gas was forgotten on the 2nd day of the riots. They just needed an excuse and if it hadn't been, they would have found something else. The reason was Putin's ultimatum on the zone of interests of the Russian Federation, and everything else is beautiful words and traditional slogans of any Maidan.
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 8 January 2022 07: 54
      +7
      Quote: Dart2027
      This unfortunate gas was forgotten on the 2nd day of the riots. They just needed an excuse and if it hadn't been, they would have found something else. The reason was Putin's ultimatum on the zone of interests of the Russian Federation, and everything else is beautiful words and traditional slogans of any Maidan.

      that is, the Nazarbayev clan, which crushed the country, do not care? but no! he got them all, and the gas is just a trigger.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 8 January 2022 07: 57
        +9
        Quote: Aerodrome
        he got them all, and the gas is just a trigger.

        And the militants appeared out of thin air and immediately.
        1. Aerodrome
          Aerodrome 8 January 2022 08: 10
          +11
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: Aerodrome
          he got them all, and the gas is just a trigger.

          And the militants appeared out of thin air and immediately.

          "suddenly" only cats are born. It's all one porridge, from one pot. because: "the revolution is arranged by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the fruits are used by villains ...".
          1. Flooding
            Flooding 8 January 2022 10: 08
            +4
            Quote: Aerodrome
            "The revolution is arranged by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the fruits are used by villains ..."

            you have already figured out who is the romantic in this situation, who is the fanatic and who is the scoundrel?
            this is the main question.
            1. sniperino
              sniperino 8 January 2022 18: 33
              +5
              Quote: Flood
              Quote: Aerodrome
              "The revolution is arranged by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the fruits are used by villains ..."

              you have already figured out who is the romantic in this situation ...? this is the main question.
              It seems that the main romantic at the Aerodrome is J. Soros, and the maggots fed by him are fanatics, working for the idea. How everything is running ...
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2022 10: 30
            0
            Quote: Aerodrome
            the revolution is arranged by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the fruits are used by villains

            It sounds very nice, but still where did they come from, if this is not an operation of the special services, but popular indignation?
            1. nerovnayadoroga
              nerovnayadoroga 8 January 2022 20: 25
              +1
              And you thought they had to go with flowers to ask the authorities, who long ago made them slaves and put a big and fat one on them, or those 70-90% of the male population have never served in the army and have not seen a machine gun !? Do not comfort yourself, people driven to despair can give a shit about an atomic bomb while standing, or you are scared and do not understand this ..! ??
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 8 January 2022 22: 33
                -3
                Quote: nerovnayadoroga
                And you thought they had to go with flowers and ask the authorities who

                Quote: Dart2027
                And the militants appeared out of thin air and immediately.

                Quote: nerovnayadoroga
                desperate people

                Yes, yes, yes, they are dying of hunger there.
                1. kin
                  kin 9 January 2022 10: 00
                  0
                  How do you know what's going on there, have you been there?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 9 January 2022 11: 26
                    -3
                    Quote: kin
                    How do you know what's going on there, have you been there?

                    How do you know what's going on there, have you been there?
                    1. kin
                      kin 9 January 2022 13: 42
                      0
                      I keep in touch with four cousins ​​and a brother, my wife has two sisters. Now and before that, the Beeline connection in Almaty is working. The shops are up and running. Feykamety hare scatter their lies here.
                      Quote: Dart2027
                      Quote: kin
                      How do you know what's going on there, have you been there?

                      How do you know what's going on there, have you been there?
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 9 January 2022 14: 32
                        0
                        Quote: kin
                        I keep in touch with four cousins ​​and a brother, my wife has two sisters.

                        And they were somehow involved in street riots or were they sitting somewhere at home and did not see anything themselves?
                      2. kin
                        kin 9 January 2022 18: 04
                        0
                        https://amp.rbc.ru/rbcnews/politics/09/01/2022/61dab47c9a7947596bffdcf9?utm_source=smi2&utm_medium=smi2&utm_campaign=smi2
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 9 January 2022 18: 29
                        -3
                        Quote: kin
                        https://amp.rbc.ru/rbcnews/politics/09/01/2022/61dab47c9a7947596bffdcf9?utm_source=smi2&utm_medium=smi2&utm_campaign=smi2

                        So what? The participation of "clowns" in maintaining the interest of the crowd during any protest actions is a classic of the genre. No, maybe he himself did not plan to take part in the "hot phase" (which is not a fact), but thought to play on stage and get out of the way, but the events rushed faster than he thought. I'm wondering, and what kind of "were there still citizens of Tajikistan and Uzbekistan", also artists?
                      4. kin
                        kin 10 January 2022 05: 37
                        +2
                        This means that now they will start looking for 22 thousand bandits. And how the Kazakh authorities will get out of this lie will be seen further.
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 10 January 2022 19: 24
                        0
                        Quote: kin
                        to the fact that now they will start looking for 22 thousand bandits.

                        Do you think there are fewer of them? An attempt to take over the country and street fighting for several days.
        2. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 8 January 2022 08: 10
          +4
          Where do you think the militants came from in 1917?
          1. Stas157
            Stas157 8 January 2022 08: 53
            0
            Quote: 2 level advisor
            in 1917 action films Where did you come from?

            It is you from the history of which country took that the Revolution in 1917 was done by the militants?

            All Soviet people know from school that it was the people who made the Revolution.

            About Kazakhstan. Maybe there are militants there, but the bulk of the protesters who are against Nazarbayev and his furniture - Tokayev - are ordinary people. Why should the people of Kazakhstan be recorded as militants and terrorists, and the villain Tokayev as a benefactor?

            I like the position of China, which did not get involved in the civil war of another country on one of the sides, and said that this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan. Although China now has more economic interests there than Russia will have, judging by the investments.
            1. The leader of the Redskins
              The leader of the Redskins 8 January 2022 10: 03
              +11
              Then such a beautiful combination breaks down that the common people are a gray mass, and all Maidans and revolutions are arranged "from the outside." They explained this to us for so long using the examples of Ukraine and Belarus that too many people believed in the formula 2x2 = 5. Accordingly, the rest of the "mathematics" is not the same. But to admit that the common people are still strength and power is not so pleasant, and so dangerous - "suddenly it will be like in France?" ...
              1. Aleksandr21
                Aleksandr21 8 January 2022 16: 26
                +5
                Quote: Leader of the Redskins
                Then such a beautiful combination breaks down that the common people are a gray mass, and all Maidans and revolutions are arranged "from the outside."


                And the people in such a scheme, self-organize? He knows when to go out to the square at the same time, how to get a weapon, and knows how (probably on a whim) to resist the security forces :)

                Take 2014, those thugs who opposed Berkut (in Ukraine) were trained / processed with Western money, and the presence of Mrs. Nuland with cookies and the actions of the United States only prove that there was no popular uprising there.

                Taking 2020 and the attempt at Maidan in Belarus, who covered these protests and with whose money? What is the role of Poland? Remember Nexty and numerous NGOs that supported the protesters, and they received funding from the budget of Poland and some Baltic countries. those. also not a popular revolt ...

                Therefore, the people are a gray mass, but if someone leads and directs it, then this is already a force that should be reckoned with.
            2. Dart2027
              Dart2027 8 January 2022 10: 34
              +3
              Quote: Stas157
              It is you from the history of which country took that the Revolution in 1917 was done by the militants?

              Were they needed? The tsar was overthrown by ministers and generals, to whom the army was subordinate. Having come to power, they simply destroyed everything that was possible, including the army and the Bolsheviks simply "picked up power on the road."
              Quote: Stas157
              I like the position of China, which did not get involved in the civil war of another country on one of the sides, and said that this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan.

              But for some reason, he does not object to the fact that the troops of Russia entered there.
              Russia has designated the post-Soviet space as a zone of its interests, and China sees no reason to quarrel with the Russian Federation over Kazakhstan. But if it were different, the Chinese peacekeepers would have been there.
            3. 2 Level Advisor
              2 Level Advisor 8 January 2022 10: 36
              +2
              Why do you stick to concepts? rebel with weapons is a revolutionary militant ..
              A militant is a member of a combat squad in a revolutionary party; "dictionary" as well as Militant - a member of an illegal armed organization ... and yes .. in Kazakhstan they were .. without arguing about their correctness ...
            4. Scientist
              Scientist 8 January 2022 14: 55
              +2
              And why should "ordinary people", protesting against Tokayev, rob shops, burn ambulances, cut the heads of security officials, beat passers-by? And how "spontaneously" a crowd that has gathered does the same thing at the same time in cities that are hundreds of kilometers away. In the absence of an officially declared leader and disconnected Internet and communications?
            5. Scientist
              Scientist 8 January 2022 16: 23
              +3
              By the way, remind us how many shops were looted, cars burned and security officials were killed, when the miners were on strike, really simple hard workers who did not have enough cars to refuel and had nothing to feed their families.
              1. kin
                kin 9 January 2022 10: 16
                0
                Are you a miner? I am a former miner, in the 90s there were seven-month salary delays for six years, but salaries were paid a little, though not a lot, every two or three months, trade unions helped, there were feed books. Hospitals, schools were working, there was water, electricity, heat. And now I will tell you what I saw there in the south of Kazakhstan. Literally driving off 200 km from Almaty there is no water, electricity, no medicine, no roads. The land is all sold out, there is no pasture, no work. I have many relatives who lived in those parts by worship. Even the area is named after them. All left, two grandmothers refused. Somewhere it became better, but somewhere, in general, nothing remained. I will not even enter into an argument.
                1. Scientist
                  Scientist 9 January 2022 16: 35
                  +1
                  I'm not talking about who was worse off. And perhaps I was wrong in making such a comparison. Only if you rob shops, burn down administrations, seize airports, cut heads, will roads, medicine and work appear from this?
                  Or do you think that your fellow miners did not do this just because they were still doing well? In my opinion, this is not the case.
                  1. kin
                    kin 9 January 2022 18: 03
                    0
                    There have always been and will be various criminals, provocateurs, all those who try to derive personal benefit in any way during popular unrest.
                    https://amp.rbc.ru/rbcnews/politics/09/01/2022/61dab47c9a7947596bffdcf9?utm_source=smi2&utm_medium=smi2&utm_campaign=smi2
            6. Suhow
              Suhow 9 January 2022 20: 57
              0
              Regarding the people, I largely agree with you, but in 1917 the army and the navy took an active part, well, in Kazakhstan, the opinion of the majority is created by how this media approached .. here (Ukraine) it is also different, the owners of the TV channels are different, in general, while you can make his own. I think that the beginning was laid by the rise in gas prices, respect to the Kazakhs. But then some personalities began to rock the situation, the more they were preparing for something like that
          2. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2022 10: 32
            +3
            Quote: Level 2 Advisor
            1917 where do you think the militants came from

            Were they needed? The tsar was overthrown by ministers and generals, to whom the army was subordinate. Having come to power, they simply destroyed everything that was possible, including the army and the Bolsheviks simply "picked up power on the road."
        3. alekseykabanets
          alekseykabanets 8 January 2022 08: 45
          +8
          Quote: Dart2027
          And the militants appeared out of thin air and immediately.

          Will we believe Tokayev? He said that 20 thousand trained, trained militants attacked Astana.)))) Until the Russian Federation came to Syria. there were about 20 thousand active members of ISIS (an organization banned in the Russian Federation), so they put the whole of Syria on their ears. 20 thousand trained fighters would take Astana in one day. Where were they prepared? How did they get to Kazakhstan? Leaked? In 2011, in Kazakhstan, the authorities shot a demonstration of striking workers, have people forgotten about it? The next protests there will be even more massive. The CSTO will now "love the Kazakh people very much." CSTO helps to build fascism in Kazakhstan?
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 8 January 2022 09: 00
            +11
            Consider 20 thousand armed divisions ... there would be hell going on now ... if it were true ...
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 8 January 2022 09: 09
              +2
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              Consider 20 thousand armed divisions ... there would be hell going on now ... if it were true ...

              And how not to trust Tokayev.))))) Https://csn-tv.ru/videoposts/id11975-prezident-kazakhstana-zayavil-chto-na-alma-atu-napali-20-tysyach-banditov
              Now wait, Solovyov and Kiselev will tell you that they were training these 20 thousand fighters in the USA and England.)))
          2. sleeve
            sleeve 8 January 2022 09: 19
            +7
            Let's not believe Tokayev. What problems? Yes, there is an uprising with destructive goals in relation to the current government. So what? Are people getting killed? They kill. Is property being smashed? Yes, they do. Are there any anti-Russian calls? In excess. How should we define this for ourselves? Internal mode change? And what to do with slogans? Nowhere. That is, we have a Russophobic zamyat at our side against the background of the previous policy of the same Russophobic sense, and we will not undertake anything. Why do we need it?
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 8 January 2022 09: 49
              -6
              Quote: sleeve
              Let's not believe Tokayev. What problems?

              Duck if he lied, so how can he believe that?
              Quote: sleeve
              Yes, there is an uprising with destructive goals in relation to the current government.

              And why should the Kazakh people love the Elbass authorities? For clannishness, for corruption, for unemployment, for the poverty of the people?
              Quote: sleeve
              Are people getting killed? They kill.

              Watch the video how the security forces kill people there. Or can they? Kazakh people are not people? Is it okay that Tokayev said that you can shoot without warning and at unarmed people too? These are called the first harbingers of civil war. During the civil war, people get killed if you don't know.
              Quote: sleeve
              Is property being smashed? Yes, they do.

              There are enough marauders in any riots, by the way, the protesters themselves organized into popular squads and put things in order with robberies, even the traffic controllers stood at the crossroads, since the traffic lights did not work.
              Quote: sleeve
              Are there any anti-Russian calls? In excess.

              Anti-Russian calls appeared only after the introduction of troops. And now there will be more and more of them. And so watch the video, among the protesters Slavic people in abundance.
              Quote: sleeve
              And what to do with slogans? Nowhere.

              What slogans did you dislike? I saw that they are pushing economic demands (this should not concern us at all), making demands for free elections of mayors and governors, demands to remove the Nazarbayev clan, demanding the construction of enterprises and the creation of jobs. There are no anti-Russian demands, nationalistic or about joining the European Union.
              Quote: sleeve
              Oh, we have a Russophobic zamyatnaya at our side

              Why is she Russophobic if the Russians participate in this protest on an equal basis with the Kazakhs?

              Quote: sleeve
              and we will not do anything. Why do we need it?

              China again turned out to be wiser than us, it has 3 times more investments in Kazakhstan, and he said that this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan. There, the people will not have hatred for China, but for the Russian Federation, because the Russian Federation helps Tokayev to kill his people, and the Russians living in Kazakhstan, as well.
              1. sleeve
                sleeve 8 January 2022 10: 33
                +6
                No, I don’t know how you do. That's for sure. What are the Russophobic slogans AFTER the entry of troops? Did you go online the day before yesterday? Which Russians are participating in the pogroms on equal terms with the Kazakhs? Are you seriously? Why turn everything inside out like a blanket in a duvet cover? Negative for Russia? Yes it will. This is human nature. They need a safe enemy who will not break his head for the bazaar and will endure and help more. If the Americans were smacking in them on the streets, the kumysniks would cry with delight. Let's be honest? We are just extinguishing the fire in the neighborhood there in order to avoid a second Ukraine in the underbelly, ready for the Islamists. They will love us there; they will not love us, but they don’t care. The ocean and the small river did good to them, tons of money were poured in. All of FIG. Well, then we will just extinguish the fire. And if a nomadic brain is smart enough, they will realize that simply anti-Russian policy will be considered a fire. It should be so for those who do not remember good and do not know a word like that. Of course, everything will not happen so sharply and there will be a sea of ​​reasons to turn out on us. After all, in this world only Russians are to blame ...
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 8 January 2022 10: 57
                  -2
                  Quote: sleeve
                  Which Russians are participating in the pogroms on equal terms with the Kazakhs?

                  And where did I write that Russians and Kazakhs participate in pogroms? You're lying here. I wrote
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  And so watch the video, among the protesters Slavic people in abundance.

                  Quote: sleeve
                  They need a safe enemy who will not break his head for the bazaar and will endure and help more.

                  Who is it for them? Do Kazakhs and Russians living in Kazakhstan need an enemy in the person of the Russian people? Or any slut that you are now defending so zealously?
                  Quote: sleeve
                  We are just extinguishing the fire in the neighborhood there in order to avoid a second Ukraine in the underbelly, ready for the Islamists.

                  Again, lying, a galley rower rescues his druzhbanov (for a minute, they closed Russian schools, introduced the Latin alphabet, arranged language patrols), crushing the Russians and Kazakhs, who together went out against all this elbasyatina.
                  Quote: sleeve
                  The ocean and the small river did good to them, tons of money were poured in.

                  How? Let's go and give the Kazakhs some money? Distributed on the streets? I haven't heard anything about it. ((((
                  Quote: sleeve
                  Well, then we will just extinguish the fire.

                  Come on, come on, continue to "extinguish the fire", thanks to such "extinguishers" the revolution of 1917 took place.)))
                  Quote: sleeve
                  What are the Russophobic slogans AFTER the entry of troops?

                  I wrote to you about the demands of the protesters, if you did not read carefully, I will repeat myself
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  What slogans did you dislike? I saw that they are pushing economic demands (this should not concern us at all), making demands for free elections of mayors and governors, demands to remove the Nazarbayev clan, demanding the construction of enterprises and the creation of jobs. There are no anti-Russian demands, nationalistic or about joining the European Union.

                  So what slogans of the Russian and Kazakh protesters did you dislike?
                  Shl Elbasy, too, in Rostov? To the same geek?
              2. alone
                alone 8 January 2022 10: 58
                +5
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                kill your people, and Russians living in Kazakhstan, as well.

                Yes, in this you are right .. Bullya will not choose who is Kazakh, who is Russian .. And representatives of all nationalities participate in the protests
                1. Incvizitor
                  Incvizitor 8 January 2022 11: 39
                  -4
                  Kazakh, Russian, terrorists have no nationality.
              3. Motorist
                Motorist 8 January 2022 17: 18
                +1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Is it okay that Tokayev said that you can shoot without warning and at unarmed people too?

                The unarmed pregnant aliens of preschool age, Tokayev said. Where did you hear "and unarmed ones too" ?! Have you put a question mark just in case?

                https://www.vesti.ru/amp/video/2373144
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 8 January 2022 17: 32
                  -5
                  Quote: Motorist
                  The unarmed pregnant aliens of preschool age, Tokayev said.

                  And whom did he call bandits and terrorists? All who protest, according to him, are bandits and terrorists, whether they are armed or not, pregnant or not, women or children. Where did he say that they should only open fire on armed terrorists? For him, his people are bandits and terrorists. In 2011, they shot a demonstration of striking workers. Were the hard workers also armed?
                  1. Motorist
                    Motorist 8 January 2022 17: 44
                    0
                    Quote: aleksejkabanets
                    And whom did he call bandits and terrorists? All who protest, according to him, are bandits and terrorists, whether they are armed or not, pregnant or not, women or children. Where did he say that they should only open fire on armed terrorists?

                    I listened to the whole speech. Read my first sentence in the previous comment - this is direct speech. At the same time, he also meant the entire Somali intelligentsia and the Ethiopian working class (read the running line of his thoughts under the video).

                    By the way, he also talked about fake jets and fire-makers there.
                    1. alekseykabanets
                      alekseykabanets 8 January 2022 18: 04
                      -2
                      Quote: Motorist
                      I listened to the whole speech.

                      Do you know this proverb "Listen with your ear, not with your belly!"? I ask again, who does he call bandits and terrorists?
                      1. Motorist
                        Motorist 8 January 2022 18: 12
                        -2
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I ask again

                        Where did he say "and unarmed too"? Don't pass off your fantasies as facts.
                      2. alekseykabanets
                        alekseykabanets 8 January 2022 18: 38
                        -1
                        Quote: Motorist
                        Where did he say "and unarmed too"? Don't pass off your fantasies as facts.

                        I ask for the third time. Whom did he call bandits and terrorists? Is it armed? Not! He called ordinary protesters bandits and terrorists, regardless of whether they have weapons or not, regardless of their age and gender. Still have questions?
                        PS One thing is not clear to me, why are you so protecting these Central Asian cannibals then eh? For what reason is all this Elbasyat dear to you? The next will be a Kyrgyz, or Turkmen, or Uzbek cannibal, or whatever, will you also shout after him that he was attacked by two divisions (20 thousand) of terrorists trained by the State Department? Well, you have to turn your head on at least sometimes ah? Who brought these Kazakhs (Kyrgyz, Tajiks, etc.) to such a state that they rush at armed people? Again the insidious State Department?
                      3. Motorist
                        Motorist 8 January 2022 19: 05
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        He called ordinary protesters bandits and terrorists, regardless of whether they have weapons or not, regardless of their age and gender.

                        This was not the case either. It seems that you listened to his speech in the retelling of Rabinovich, right after he whistled Chopin.

                        In general, my question was rhetorical - he did not talk about unarmed people who should be shot at. I was not going to enter into dialogue with you, I just wanted to show the members of the forum that not everything can be trusted.

                        And you shouldn't have ranked me among some camp of defenders of a certain "Elbasyatina", it's just that "the truth is dearer" to me (c).

                        Then we say goodbye. hi
                      4. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 8 January 2022 20: 04
                        0
                        Quote: aleksejkabanets
                        I ask for the third time. Whom did he call bandits and terrorists?

                        Bandits and terrorists.
          3. Nikolaevich I
            Nikolaevich I 8 January 2022 09: 29
            +1
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Will we believe Tokayev? He stated that 20 thousand trained, trained militants attacked Astana.))))

            Already 20 thousand ?! belay Why not 19-plus or 20-plus? request Or 18.578? Where does this "round number" come from ... 20 thousand and not a bayonet less or more? This "storyteller" Tokayev said some nonsense "in this style"! Only the "pro-government" Russian media-narrators "willingly believe" him!
          4. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2022 10: 36
            -2
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Will we believe Tokayev?

            And what you need to believe a paid media like Radio Pom ... Freedom?
            Quote: aleksejkabanets
            Where were they prepared? How did they get to Kazakhstan? Leaked?

            How many times has it been said about local NGOs and their activities similar to those in Ukraine? Are you all trying to clean up the "black dog"? I sympathize, this is a difficult task.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 8 January 2022 11: 15
              0
              Quote: Dart2027
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Will we believe Tokayev?

              And what you need to believe a paid media like Radio Pom ... Freedom?
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              Where were they prepared? How did they get to Kazakhstan? Leaked?

              How many times has it been said about local NGOs and their activities similar to those in Ukraine? Are you all trying to clean up the "black dog"? I sympathize, this is a difficult task.

              Yes, believe, of course, in Santa Claus, in two divisions (20 thousand) Tokayev militants raised by American NGOs in the steppes of Kazakhstan, in UFOs, in the "market that will solve everything", what you want to believe, even if the earth is flat .))))
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 8 January 2022 12: 10
                -1
                Quote: aleksejkabanets
                Yes, believe, of course, in Santa Claus, in
                in some peaceful protesters, people and similar tales of soreness that accompany any coup attempt, organized by your masters.
                But these thousands of militants will be disposed of by both Kazakh and Russian troops, and this cannot be changed.
        4. aglet
          aglet 8 January 2022 11: 25
          +4
          "And the militants appeared out of thin air and immediately."
          judging by the reaction of the president of kazakhstan to them, this is exactly how it was
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2022 12: 11
            -1
            Quote: aglet
            judging by the reaction of the president of kazakhstan to them, this is exactly how it was

            Nobody wants to learn from the mistakes of others.
        5. Dalmatia
          Dalmatia 9 January 2022 20: 29
          0
          Quote: Dart2027
          Quote: Aerodrome
          he got them all, and the gas is just a trigger.

          And the militants appeared out of thin air and immediately.

          The airfield does not know about them.
      2. Illanatol
        Illanatol 10 January 2022 14: 14
        0
        Quote: Aerodrome
        that is, the Nazarbayev clan, which crushed the country, do not care? but no! he got them all, and the gas is just a trigger.


        I took it out and got it out for 30 years, and then ... well, it just coincided in time with the "arrow" that VVP scored to Biden.
        What a lucky (for the Yankees) coincidence, however laughing
    2. Far B
      Far B 8 January 2022 07: 56
      +10
      This unfortunate gas was forgotten on day 2 of the riots
      In St. Petersburg sample "February-1917", too, hardly anyone remembered how it all began. Slightly more pressing matters appeared.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 8 January 2022 10: 37
        +1
        Quote: Dalny V
        In St. Petersburg sample "February-1917", too, hardly anyone remembered how it all began.

        Of course, after all, ministers and generals had to get their hands on power.
    3. paul3390
      paul3390 8 January 2022 13: 55
      +3
      The reason was Putin's ultimatum on the zone of interests of the Russian Federation

      Well, of course - absolutely everything on this planet depends solely on Putin's words .. And all the events taking place in the world are just a reaction to his formidable ultimatums .. Uh-huh ..
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 8 January 2022 14: 46
        -3
        Quote: paul3390
        Of course - absolutely everything on this planet depends solely on Putin's words ..

        Is this news for you? Well, now you know.
        1. paul3390
          paul3390 8 January 2022 15: 37
          +1
          Well, what's the news - about 20 years from each iron talk about it .. Only judging by the results - the rest of the world does not even suspect about it .. And regularly puts a bolt on all flutters.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2022 16: 08
            -3
            Quote: paul3390
            Only judging by the results - the rest of the world does not even know about it.

            He does not suspect about you, but they only talk about Putin.
    4. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 8 January 2022 18: 26
      0
      The reason was Putin's ultimatum on the zone of interests of the Russian Federation, and everything else is beautiful words and traditional slogans of any Maidan.
      Probably yes. To stop the Russian "ultimatum", they activated an old bookmark in Kazakhstan. And now they will "sell" the decision of the Russian Federation, so that it curbs its appetites in its defense. It’s even strange that the CSTO reacted, the "elites" sold out long ago. Maybe they were partially removed from power? For me, it is necessary to take under the protection of all citizens of the Russian Federation in Kazakhstan and those who want to become them. Only it must be done quickly and not retreat, otherwise everything. Everything. The EU already has an army of Arabs hungry for booty and blood. They channel it to the Russian Federation, and then the burghers in the detachments. They won't feel sorry for the Arabs, and neither will we. Oh, I forgot about the Nazis. They, too, will participate with great enthusiasm. Everything goes to this. And there will be no nuclear bombs in the places of decision-making, there are also children of the "elite" in the form of hostages. And almost all the money of the "elite" is also there.
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 8 January 2022 20: 07
        -3
        Quote: AKuzenka
        It’s even strange that the CSTO reacted, the "elites" sold out long ago.

        Well, honestly, this mantra about the sold-out elite is no longer even funny. They are well aware of the fact that "for those" they are nobody and only a strong Russia will provide their life.
        1. Akuzenka
          Akuzenka 8 January 2022 20: 16
          -2
          I would like to be as naive as you, but reason and logic do not allow.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 8 January 2022 22: 37
            -2
            Quote: AKuzenka
            I wish I could be as naive as you, yes reason and logic
            They say that the United States has been dreaming of changing our government for 20 years (since Basayev, who invaded Dagestan, was hysterical over the radio, about someone's promises that the Russians would not use aviation), and this mantra has been chanted by all sorts of communists, who are simply more nothing to say.
            1. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 8 January 2022 22: 39
              -1
              they say that the United States has been dreaming of changing our government for 20 years
              They say that chickens are milked in Moscow! We have been, have not seen this.
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 9 January 2022 06: 54
                -1
                Quote: AKuzenka
                They say that chickens are milked in Moscow!

                Quote: AKuzenka
                So stupidly you blurted out about it. You have problems with the Russian language, learn better.

                That is, you have nothing to say.
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 9 January 2022 18: 28
                  -1
                  That is, you have nothing to say.
                  Alas, you have nothing to argue with me.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 9 January 2022 18: 30
                    +1
                    Quote: AKuzenka
                    Alas
                    you have nothing to argue with me. I know it.
                    1. Akuzenka
                      Akuzenka 9 January 2022 18: 32
                      -1
                      you have nothing to argue with me. I know it.
                      Keep warm with your "knowledge".
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 9 January 2022 18: 58
                        -1
                        Quote: Dart2027
                        The United States has been dreaming of changing our government for 20 years (since Basayev, who invaded Dagestan, was hysterical over the radio, about someone's promises that the Russians would not use aviation), and this mantra is being chanted by all sorts of communists who simply have nothing more to say
            2. Akuzenka
              Akuzenka 8 January 2022 22: 56
              -2
              They say that the United States has been dreaming of changing our government for 20 years (since Basayev, who invaded Dagestan, was hysterical over the radio, about someone's promises that the Russians would not use aviation), and this mantra has been chanted by all sorts of communists, who are simply more nothing to say.
              So stupidly you blurted out about it. You have problems with the Russian language, learn better.
              1. Vasia
                Vasia 9 January 2022 07: 23
                -1
                Quote: AKuzenka
                They say that chickens are milked in Moscow! We have been, have not seen this.

                Quote: AKuzenka
                So stupidly you blurted out about it. You have problems with the Russian language, learn better.

                This is what I understand the level of argumentation of the "expert" of the Russian language. It's good if you were all like that wink
                Someone else is paying for this, where is the world heading?
                1. Akuzenka
                  Akuzenka 9 January 2022 18: 27
                  -1
                  Vasily, turn on the news that is inside the country and you will see the real attitude of the "elite" towards us. Although by the way you rushed to protect her, you do not belong to us. My problem is different, I think that the others also know how to think and analyze. If the opponent does not do this and teaches me the Russian language, there are two conclusions, either he has no arguments against logic, or he is paid for, there is of course a third conclusion, but it is the most offensive for you.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 9 January 2022 18: 31
                    -2
                    Quote: AKuzenka
                    My problem is different, I think that the others also know how to think and analyze.

                    Blah blah blah...
                    Quote: Dart2027
                    The United States has been dreaming of changing our government for 20 years (since Basayev, who invaded Dagestan, was hysterical over the radio about someone's promises that the Russians would not use aviation), and this mantra is being chanted by all sorts of communists who simply have nothing more to say.
                    Have something to argue?
                  2. Vasia
                    Vasia 9 January 2022 18: 46
                    0
                    Quote: AKuzenka
                    If the opponent does not do this and teaches me the Russian language, there are two conclusions, either he has no arguments against logic, or he is paid for, there is of course a third conclusion, but it is the most offensive for you.

                    So far I've seen how do you teach Russian to others, which I drew attention to in the previous comment. Or is this not your comment:
                    So stupidly you blurted out about it. You have problems with the Russian language, learn better.

                    You, apparently, are confused, I even understand why.
                    Yes, and what about the third conclusion, which is the most offensive for me? Do not hesitate, your feedback is very important to me.

                    And where did I rush to defend the power? I come here more often on holidays and weekends.
  2. Okolotochny
    Okolotochny 8 January 2022 06: 58
    +15
    Shuffling from side to side - for the gas pipeline through Kazakhstan to China has already been written, Russia would have received Ukrainian transit number 2 from time to time. Kazakhstan wanted to solve the problem of gasification of its territory at the expense of Russia. And the authors are now blaming Russia. Has Russia ruined the chapel too?
    1. sleeve
      sleeve 8 January 2022 09: 24
      +6
      Why should Russia take care of its Transbaikalia? It is necessary to help the "smart" Kazakhs, who are trying to unload "their" gas all into China bypassing the burners of their citizens. The EAEU is again to blame for this. Well, how, we must drive into everyone's head an irresistible urge to take care of our citizens. They drove in here. Refused to "insure" this gas scam of their own citizens in Kazakhstan, so what? Never mind. But no, we are to blame again, here is the result. We will stream a gas pipeline through Kazkhakhstan, they will reduce the volume of their gas on the domestic market, Transbaikalia will remain without gas, Mongolia is the same - Russia is to blame, "fosters a clan regime in Kazakhstan", we will not build it - "Russia has brought it to an uprising."
    2. Akuzenka
      Akuzenka 8 January 2022 23: 08
      +1
      What do you want? Everyone is stupid except me! You will be told this more than once. Not an economist, not a Gazprom employee. I don't care how the gas pipeline goes through. But I know for sure that everything that Pin Dos scolds is good for us. They take the loot from our oligarchs. This is not sugar and the oligarchs are traitors, but the muck pi dos am is good.
  3. bairat
    bairat 8 January 2022 07: 29
    +18
    And there were no recommendations from the EAEU-EEC, apparently, to Kazakhstan on its gas policy.
    I think there were recommendations, Gazprom's people probably suggested not doubling the price of liquefied gas, but three times. Well, so that the Russians don't bother them with the questions "what the hell. Why is gas cheaper in Kazakhstan?" It's the same for gasoline.
    1. Uncle Vanya Susanin
      Uncle Vanya Susanin 8 January 2022 19: 21
      0
      why is gas cheaper in Kazakhstan? "Gasoline is the same.

      Because the excise taxes on it are much higher.
  4. Thrifty
    Thrifty 8 January 2022 07: 41
    +5
    The main problem in the region is the clan system of government. The principle of "his own hand is the lord" is above the interests of the people. It is possible that the authorities themselves considered the options, it is likely that they even prepared, but "on a leftover principle" for popular protests, but ... no one thought that the protests would be used by a third force for their own purposes - the collapse of Kazakhstan. Now we need to change this system, otherwise the contradictions within the zhuzes will nevertheless lead to the collapse of the country, following the example of Yugoslavia, with seas of blood, and a long civil war.
  5. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 8 January 2022 07: 46
    +9
    The opinion of a professor from the Higher School of Economics, which is liberal through and through, is, of course, authoritative. But for whom?
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  7. ism_ek
    ism_ek 8 January 2022 09: 00
    +3
    And it's okay that the gas supplied to China via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline and the gas engine fuel because of which the Kazakhs rebelled are different types of fuel ...
    Kazakhstan has everything in order with both gas, the problem is that now it is more profitable to sell gas motor fuel to Russia, and not to its own citizens.
    1. aglet
      aglet 8 January 2022 11: 31
      +3
      "It's okay that gas supplied to China via the Power of Siberia gas pipeline and gas motor fuel because of which the Kazakhs rebelled are different types of fuel."
      Few people know about this, but who knows, they are already tired of talking about it
  8. sleeve
    sleeve 8 January 2022 09: 15
    +1
    Is this an attempt to remove the guilty person through the pretext of riots? And what, we had to make a "gas maneuver"? Did the Kazakh authorities need it? And the owners of these same processing plants in the west? Correctly write here, they forgot about the gas, although it was made even lower than it was before the "start".
  9. Mikhail3
    Mikhail3 8 January 2022 10: 08
    +6
    Common fuel market ?! The Experts Lace Up! In Russia, blocking fuel prices have been set in many respects by the hands of "experts". Blocking the development of the economy. Russia is deprived of the natural advantage of an oil-producing country - cheap energy for vehicles. The natural for capitalism the unrestrained greed of the proprietors (namely the proprietors, not the proprietors, despite all the billions stolen from the subsoil and people), plus a small "help" from beyond the hillock, and now - the competitiveness of goods from Russia is reduced, a solid part of the goods that could be produced , is not produced - it is unprofitable, the purchasing power of people is also reduced to a subcritical level. Low purchasing power - it is impossible to develop the economy. Nothing)
    And for the rest of the "countries" of the EAEU, such prices will be simply suicidal. And they understand it very well) Who needs a "union" that requires you to strangle yourself? What nonsense ...
  10. K-50
    K-50 8 January 2022 10: 18
    0
    The EAEU is simply not sure that with the next change of leadership in the satellite countries, they will not violate all agreements and rules.
    For example, Armenia over there will sell itself and sell others, breaking all economic and political ties. Almost the same with the rest. That is why Russia has to rely, practically, only on itself.
    This is why the integration processes are slow. There is practically no support, and without a reliable foundation, a building cannot be built more efficiently. request
  11. Ryaruav
    Ryaruav 8 January 2022 10: 54
    -1
    troops had to be sent to areas with a Russian population
  12. hostel
    hostel 8 January 2022 10: 57
    -1
    I suspect that Nazarbayev made the whole mess in order to return to power in the role of a Peacemaker. The implementation was carried out by the British special services under the guise of oilfield service structures under their control serving the Tengiz field. Moreover, these oil service companies use foreign labor, so there are as many militants as you want from Afghanistan. And to start the riots, the structures controlled by Nazarbayev doubled the price tag for gas. If the riots were successful, then perhaps the British would have thrown Nazarbayev and installed their own man. Do not forget that there is a British financial center in Kazakhstan and with it there is a British COURT with judges !!!
  13. alone
    alone 8 January 2022 11: 18
    +8
    Everyone is wondering: who and how? Some are looking for organizers in the West, others in the North .. And who is Tokayev himself? A distant relative of Nazarbayev, both representatives of the same zhuz (clan). This is an intra-clan struggle ... a relative rebelled against the boss ... they quickly organized a promotion, raised the disgruntled people, dismissed the boss, gave him guarantees for life, put him on a plane and removed from the republic ... the government loyal to the boss was dispersed, the leaders of the security forces were changed to Tokayevskys. But they forgot one thing: the people know who Tokayev is and who his people are .. For the citizens of Kazakhstan, that Nazarbayev and that Tokayev are the same coin .. That is why Tokayev invited the CSTO troops there to assert his power .. A quite reasonable question arises for ordinary citizens of the Russian Federation: Would you support such a leader of the country who, in order to preserve his power, would invite the troops of other countries to the Russian Federation? I think 100 out of 100 no one would support such a leader ..
    Yes, there are criminal elements, there are facts of mass looting. But 20000 terrorists is a lie ... it is impossible to hide 20 people for so many years.
    1. Scientist
      Scientist 9 January 2022 02: 57
      0
      Yes, this is a squabble between clans (or within). Yes, a power struggle. But where can we get other leaders from there? There is good where feudalism, and even the tribal system. And 70 years of Soviet power did not have time to change this. (There was a typical anecdote from Soviet times: an inspector from Moscow admires huge flocks. - Yes, this is all our chairman of the collective farm. - How so? - And he was with us before.) And it doesn't matter which clan comes to power - it will be the same put their own, spread rot "strangers" and row everything for themselves. Even if an educated, "European" Nazarbayev did this, then what to expect from others?
      And for the population of the country, the whole question is only one: the country will remain in its existing, albeit not ideal, form, or these showdowns will destroy the country and throw the people into poverty and savagery. And the introduction of troops contributes not only to the preservation of power, but also to the preservation of the country. After all, it turned out that the security forces and the army are not always loyal to Tokayev (clans, clans). Moreover, there are a lot of people who want to warm their hands at the stake outside the country. The Yugoslavs had no one to help stop the collapse. Where is that Yugoslavia now and how is the people living there? The same Ukraine. "Get out, get out". And how the authorities of Kazakhstan will behave further, God knows. But they were given a chance.
      By the way, I read (there is no way to check) that the population is very happy with the removal of Nazarbayev’s appointees.
      1. alone
        alone 9 January 2022 06: 26
        +3
        Quote: U. Cheny
        But where can we get other leaders from there?

        This is the main problem ... a person who has been sitting for decades creates such an atmosphere that there is no alternative to him and his system ... and everyone who thinks otherwise becomes outcasts
        1. Scientist
          Scientist 9 January 2022 17: 00
          0
          As for those who have been sitting for decades, this is pure fiction. And it was invented to create the appearance that the people can influence something. And the presidents elected for 4-5 years are simply zits-chairmen, hired managers of the oligarchs. For such a period it is impossible to do something serious. By the way, Roosevelt was elected three times precisely because he actively fought against the great crisis and was given time to continue these reforms.
          And, in general, everything depends not on the term, but on the person. The most obvious example is Singapore. Lee Kuan Yew has been a permanent leader for 30 years. A dictator (opposition, a multi-party system, rallies and any gatherings, criticism of the authorities in the media were banned). The result is known to everyone. And having created a stable management system, a powerful economy, he left voluntarily.
          1. alone
            alone 9 January 2022 20: 36
            0
            Quote: U. Cheny
            The most obvious example is Singapore. Lee Kuan Yew has been a permanent leader for 30 years. A dictator (opposition, a multi-party system, rallies and any gatherings, criticism of the authorities in the media were banned). The result is known to everyone. And having created a stable management system, a powerful economy, he left voluntarily.

            I agree ... Now can you give an example of at least one such leader in the post-Soviet space, at least did half of what Lee Kuan Yew did? Which of them created a stable system? Maybe someone managed to create a powerful economy? All that they could do was made their close circle by billionaires, and the population was brought to poverty .. I would have lived with both hands for 30 years under a dictator, if I knew 100 % that my children will live like people live in Singapore hi
  14. dimasik-nl
    dimasik-nl 8 January 2022 11: 23
    +1
    The EU is bursting at the seams)))) Have you ever been to the EU to write this. Russia will collapse faster, since the problems of peripheral republics have not been solved for decades, and this is good soil for local nationalists
  15. Butchcassidy
    Butchcassidy 8 January 2022 11: 37
    +4
    The article, to put it mildly, does not stand up to criticism. The authors simply do not understand what they are writing about. They do not know and do not understand what is happening in the EEU, do not read its analytical reports, do not know what technical regulation, the customs code, etc. are. All this has been successfully functioning for a long time in all EAEU countries.

    But our dreamers got something from something that there should be some "EAEU commodity reserves"? Why should Russia suddenly solve the problems of Kazakhstan? Astana preferred to sell gas for export, did not provide the domestic market, and the authors want to solve this problem at the expense of the Kazakh proposal to lay the Power of Siberia-2 through the territory of Kazakhstan. Well done.

    In short, learn the materiel and do not write nonsense.
    1. Scientist
      Scientist 8 January 2022 16: 13
      -1
      What do you want from a liberal professor?
  16. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 8 January 2022 11: 43
    +7
    An EU that is bursting at all the seams

    How tired this mantra, which is mumbled by all and sundry, absolutely not thinking about its content! The EU, Ladies and Gentlemen, is the SECOND cumulative economy of the planet. Second, Karl! And nothing bursts at the seams there - there is Schengen, if you know how to work, ride and work. There, of course, water is muddied in a number of places, but since this is happening now in Kazakhstan or as it happened earlier in Ukraine, there is no such thing there. Europeans are accustomed to and love to live sweetly, do not fall into illusions - they will strangle any water pool for this. The fact that Britain naturally sailed from the EU is also quite understandable - for the same reason, we did not have a stable social. Union with the PRC. Britain was somewhat cooler and more influential than a part of the whole, so it was carried away.
  17. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 8 January 2022 14: 01
    -2
    Quote: aleksejkabanets
    Quote: sleeve
    Let's not believe Tokayev. What problems?

    Duck if he lied, so how can he believe that?
    Quote: sleeve
    Yes, there is an uprising with destructive goals in relation to the current government.

    And why should the Kazakh people love the Elbass authorities? For clannishness, for corruption, for unemployment, for the poverty of the people?
    Quote: sleeve
    Are people getting killed? They kill.

    Watch the video how the security forces kill people there. Or can they? Kazakh people are not people? Is it okay that Tokayev said that you can shoot without warning and at unarmed people too? These are called the first harbingers of civil war. During the civil war, people get killed if you don't know.
    Quote: sleeve
    Is property being smashed? Yes, they do.

    There are enough marauders in any riots, by the way, the protesters themselves organized into popular squads and put things in order with robberies, even the traffic controllers stood at the crossroads, since the traffic lights did not work.
    Quote: sleeve
    Are there any anti-Russian calls? In excess.

    Anti-Russian calls appeared only after the introduction of troops. And now there will be more and more of them. And so watch the video, among the protesters Slavic people in abundance.
    Quote: sleeve
    And what to do with slogans? Nowhere.

    What slogans did you dislike? I saw that they are pushing economic demands (this should not concern us at all), making demands for free elections of mayors and governors, demands to remove the Nazarbayev clan, demanding the construction of enterprises and the creation of jobs. There are no anti-Russian demands, nationalistic or about joining the European Union.
    Quote: sleeve
    Oh, we have a Russophobic zamyatnaya at our side

    Why is she Russophobic if the Russians participate in this protest on an equal basis with the Kazakhs?
    Quote: sleeve
    and we will not do anything. Why do we need it?

    China again turned out to be wiser than us, it has 3 times more investments in Kazakhstan, and he said that this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan. There, the people will not have hatred for China, but for the Russian Federation, because the Russian Federation helps Tokayev to kill his people, and the Russians living in Kazakhstan, as well.

    By the way, the February bourgeois democratic revolution accompanied by pogroms, murders of policemen, etc. etc.
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 8 January 2022 16: 27
      0
      Quote: p0pulivox
      By the way, the February bourgeois-democratic revolution was accompanied by pogroms, murders of policemen, etc. and so on

      There were pogroms during absolutely all revolutions. request And it is always beneficial for the authorities to present the insurgents as pogromists and terrorists.
  18. YuryPVO
    YuryPVO 8 January 2022 15: 02
    +7
    The problem is that gas and oil producing countries will think about prices on the domestic market. For example, gasoline in the Russian Federation, gas in Kazakhstan, building materials in all countries where gas, oil and electricity are in the hands of the state. Those. prices within the country should be kept at the level available to the population, and sold abroad at world market prices. And not to make money on the population, which is also done by state-owned companies, such as Rosneft and private companies, such as Lukoil. This is a robbery of their people, under the slogans of world prices. And traitors to their people were found in Nazarbayev's entourage - his nephews were associated with criminals, and led the KNB.
  19. Scientist
    Scientist 8 January 2022 15: 05
    +1
    Just read an interesting post. If it is at least half objective (and the facts, especially with the security officials, speak for it), then this explains a lot. And it crosses out all the lamentations about the "common people" and the need to put the economy ahead of politics.

    In the afternoon of January 7, news began to arrive from Almaty, bringing some clarity to what is happening in Kazakhstan as a whole. The telegram channel Orda.Kz suddenly announced the arrest of General Samat Abish. An hour later, this message was deleted with an apology for the mistake, however, it managed to spread through foreign media and caused a fantastically violent reaction on social networks.

    Who is this person, whose name is little known to foreign observers, but whose mention literally excites Kazakhstani society?

    First of all, Samat Abish, the forty-three-year-old nephew of the first president of Kazakhstan, Nursultan Nazarbayev, is the son of his brother Satybalda Abishevich, who died in a car accident in 1981.

    Secondly, he is the former first deputy chairman of the National Security Committee (KNB is an analogue of the Russian FSB. - Author's note) of Kazakhstan. Together with his boss Karim Massimov, he was removed from his post by a decree of Tokayev two days earlier.

    I note that at one time the post of the first deputy chairman of the KNB of Kazakhstan was held by the former son-in-law of Nazarbayev - Rakhat Aliyev. As you know, this did not lead to anything good.
    Thirdly, Samat Abish is the brother of Nazarbayev's second nephew, one of the richest people in Kazakhstan, Kairat Satybaldy, whose fortune can only be denoted by nine-digit numbers.

    Like Samat, Kairat began his career in the ranks of the KNB, then went into business. Only lazy and incurious citizens in Kazakhstan do not know that Kairat Satybaldy has been the informal leader of the country's religious radicals for many years and runs well-structured paramilitary units, mainly in the southern regions of the republic.

    Local experts and journalists have been talking on the sidelines for a long time that Nazarbayev's nephews, who received power and money with the blessing of their sovereign uncle, have become dangerous for the country.

    “In recent years, an awful lot of conservative Muslims have appeared in the south of our country,” a Kazakh acquaintance from Shymkent tells me. - Women wrapped up from head to toe! This has never happened in the tradition of our people. All these '' Wahhabis '' were covered by the Satybaldy brothers. "

    By the way, the newly arrested criminal authority Arman Dzhumageldiev (known as Wild Arman) is almost the right hand of Kairat Satybalda. And it was he, according to eyewitnesses, who became one of the initiators of the first aggressive attacks in the center of Almaty on January 5 of the new year.

    And the provocateurs who had just been detained in Shymkent said that they were paid for participating in the riots, and also given out energy drinks, from which they "lost control" over themselves. I am sure it was not Soros or the State Department that paid. Nephews.

    “The riots that are taking place in Almaty, in the estate of Samat Abish, are a direct consequence of the fact that he went all-in and played against Tokayev almost openly,” the well-known journalist Lukpan Akhmedyarov shared his opinion on Echo of Moscow.

    * * *

    Literally, the anti-terrorist operation that is taking place in Kazakhstan right now can in no way be called "suppression of protests", all the more so - "by the hands of the CSTO and the Kremlin."

    In fact, without any aggression, rallies and actions continue today in Aktau and Zhanaozen - where they began, while in the meantime a skilled hand actively "reformatted" them into real banditry and looting in Almaty.

    For two and a half days, the weak President Tokayev, along with his personal bodyguards - in the absence of (so far) army and police that do not obey him - have been fighting street battles with "private paramilitary brigades" directed by Elbasy's nephews Samat Abish and Kairat Satybaldy.

    What happened to Nazarbayev, why he is silent, fled the country or disappeared into oblivion, we do not yet know. Rumor has it that it all started with some kind of conflict between his uncle and his nephews.

    One thing is clear: Nazarbayev left the stage - he is either a political or already a physical corpse. But his clan, power and business empire of his family are desperately resisting, not wanting to lose their material assets and leverage.

    For open conflict and terror, the nephews probably prepared in advance. The protests in the west of the country became for them only a convenient moment for manipulation and pressure on Tokayev.

    “Seeing that they were removed from power by Tokayev, Nazarbayev’s nephews quickly mobilized ordinary illiterate people of the south, yesterday’s residents of the villages of the Karatau foothills and the Charyn valley,” historian professor Andrei Zubov writes on his Facebook page. - I think they have been preparing for such an answer for a long time, having put in all important positions in the power structures of the country and, especially in the southern regions, like-minded people - radical Islamists.
    And therefore, when, frightened by the scale of the peaceful protest, which already demanded his dismissal, Tokayev decided to call his troops - the troops did not leave. General Samat Abish gave a different order. And the two-millionth city of Almaty, abandoned by the security forces, began to pour <...> people from the auls, unanimous and of the same faith both to the Taliban and their shining adherents in the Kazakh elite. "

    I think the professor is right. And I will continue: it was to preserve stability in the country and, of course, his power, Tokayev resorted to a desperate step - the help of the CSTO forces.

    This step is perceived today in Kazakhstan ambiguously. Patriots say about the danger of "occupation" by Russia. Apolitical townsfolk and businessmen openly support any outside help in putting things in order.

    Of course, all these events directly or indirectly play into the hands of the Kremlin, which is striving - according to Surkov's behests - to expand its empire. Let's talk about this separately some time later. And we will certainly take an interest in the opinion of the Kazakhstanis themselves.

    But at present, the survival of both the state power and ordinary citizens of Kazakhstan is at stake.

    Let's not forget this too. Daniil Kislov.
  20. Bolshevik
    Bolshevik 8 January 2022 16: 14
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    Do not over complicate everything. You need to be able to talk about complex things in simple language. And call a spade a spade. The main and main reason for all popular riots and revolutions in the post-Soviet space (in the republics of the former USSR) is the exorbitant, simply boundless greed of the oligarchic elites, who in a criminal way in the 90s of the twentieth century seized public property - the subsoil, natural resources, sawing the Soviet industry. All these comprador elites of the Russian Federation, Kazakhstan, Ukraine do not consider the states of the former USSR as a country in which they and their children will live, but only as a source of profit. The elites of the former USSR live in their republics on a rotational basis - all their capital, children, families have long been settled in the West (in the USA, England, Switzerland, the EU, Israel). This psychology of vremeshikov leads to the fact that the elites of the former USSR treat the population of their states as an expendable material, like feudal lords to their serf slaves, and therefore, from their point of view, there is no sense for slaves to provide some kind of civil rights and welfare - slaves and slaves must constantly stand with an outstretched hand to power and need its handouts. Poverty thus acts as a tool for managing the population, a way to ensure its loyalty to the authorities. But sometimes this well-oiled instrument, not without the pernicious influence of the insidious West, gives serious failures - when the greed of the oligarchic power goes beyond all reasonable limits and presses on the very fighting point of the population - on its elementary life needs. And then a social explosion occurs, as in the Republic of Kazakhstan.
  21. bar
    bar 8 January 2022 18: 20
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    One call from Moscow could change, if not everything, then a lot.

    Are you serious??? Do you believe so much in the power of our guarantor?

    As for the main integration structure, the Eurasian Economic Union, there were clearly no gestures at all.

    Guys, maybe you didn't understand why, but this union is exactly economic!
    Well, how could he influence the clannishness of the ruling Kazakh "elite", on the robbery of their own people, on the division of power within the country, on the betrayal of the leaders, on the creation of training camps and caches with weapons for bandits? Are you economists that far from politics and real life?
    Well, it just takes a shock from what experts sculpt content for VO ...
  22. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 8 January 2022 20: 38
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    Quote: Flood
    Quote: Aerodrome
    "The revolution is arranged by romantics, carried out by fanatics, and the fruits are used by villains ..."

    you have already figured out who is the romantic in this situation, who is the fanatic and who is the scoundrel?
    this is the main question.

    This will be seen later. Even you will see with your own impatience.
  23. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 8 January 2022 20: 45
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    Quote: Bolshevik
    And call a spade a spade. The main and main reason for all popular riots and revolutions in the post-Soviet space (in the republics of the former USSR) is the exorbitant, simply boundless greed of the oligarchic elites, who in a criminal way in the 90s of the twentieth century seized public property - the subsoil, natural resources, sawing the Soviet industry.

    What nonsense. Name who was impudent in Azerbaijan, Turkmenistan, Belarus? Maidans were, but what about the results? Can results be achieved by robbing shops, destroying factories, murder and war? What are the results of the Russian Civil War in the 20s? And the war itself, arose because the oligarchs tore three skins from the peasants, workers, or because Mordor came and divided the country, began to plunder, kill, EXPROPRIATE? What's happened. generally a revolution? The establishment of good relations, justice, equality, or redistribution of property, in other words, RIPE?
    1. Iron
      Iron 10 January 2022 03: 24
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      The result of the revolution in 1917 was the building of the USSR. The second economy in the world. The first state in the world where the power belonged to the people. A country that, surrounded by enemies, managed to build a heavy industry. Well, she managed to win in a difficult war with Nazism.
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  25. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 10 January 2022 10: 44
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    Quote: Iron
    The result of the revolution in 1917 was the building of the USSR. The second economy in the world. The first state in the world where the power belonged to the people. A country that, surrounded by enemies, managed to build a heavy industry. Well, she managed to win in a difficult war with Nazism.

    The country that lost 12 million in the civil war. The devastation destroyed 70% of the industry, agriculture fell to the point of being able to feed only the elite. The fall of Russia from the usual framework adopted in the world, the foreign policy of the madmen who threaten the encirclement with a world revolution, put barriers around. The Comintern terrorist organization was disbanded on May 15, 1943, under pressure from the countries of the anti-Hitler coalition. The industrialization of the country, carried out on the blood of the people. The seized precious materials, church utensils, gold, silver, given away for food in Torgsin, Bread given away for factories. 5 million starvation deaths. Here is the price of that growth in the country's industry. Russia, which until 1917 was in fifth place in the world economy, slipped to the level of African countries, and from there .... If the country's development had been without October, a lot could have been avoided. An understandable, republican country, with the generally accepted order in Europe, without the export of revolutions, a giant power not leaving the Entente (the prototype of the UN), of course, would not become the object of the bait of revolting fascism for all other countries. Is it not clear for what purpose was brought up and nurtured German fascism in Europe? JOINT destruction of Hitlerism in THIS case would have been possible already in 1932, and the war, which took away our compatriots in such numbers, could not have flared up in Europe. Who knows, a power that has no national borders, such as Russia was before 1917, might not have collapsed after 80 years of communist rule.
    Did these machines help prevent hunger in your 30s? Is it nature's fault or is the country’s insane ruling? If nature, then where are the losses of the USSR's closest neighbors in the west? Why was nature so selective, destroying only Soviet people during these years?
  26. Comrade Kim
    Comrade Kim 12 January 2022 02: 45
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    Quote: Dart2027
    Putin's ultimatum

    The ultimatum should be as follows: "If you do not fulfill the requirements of the Russian Federation, we will send all your illegal migrants to your" countries. "
    After such a power, Tajiks, Uzbeks, Kazakhs, Kyrgyzstan, will fulfill any conditions.
    They don't want to lose a huge amount of funding from their gaster. And most importantly, their authorities are afraid like fire that the Gaster returned from Russia will plunge their countries into the abyss of murders, robberies, rapes and drug trafficking.
    During the first lockdown, Gaster returned to the "camps" raised the crime rate from 17 to 34%. This was stated at the collegium of the ministers of the interior.
    The ministers of the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kashchakouzbekokirgizostanov "complained about their Gaster" to our minister, and asked them to return the murderers, rapists and drug dealers back to the Russian Federation as soon as possible.
  27. Illanatol
    Illanatol 12 January 2022 13: 24
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    Quote: Siberian-1
    The fall of Russia from the usual framework adopted in the world,


    What are the usual frameworks? To be a cash cow and an external regulator, to fight for other people's interests?

    Industrialization of the country, carried out on the blood of the people


    Peter the Great spent his industrialization white and fluffy.

    If the country had developed without October, much could have been avoided. An understandable, republican country, with the generally accepted order in Europe, without the export of revolutions, a giant power not leaving the Entente (the prototype of the UN), of course, would not become the object of the bait of revolting fascism for all other countries.


    There would be no development. The Entente itself would have torn "democratic Russia" to pieces. The morals of a wolf pack - to tear the weakened to pieces. And what the strength of the democratic Provisional Government was worth clearly showed the ease with which this government was drained into the toilet.
    Let's remember the 90s. Okay, we had nuclear weapons, and it saved us. Otherwise, they would have done the same with Yugoslavia.
    Or as they tried to do with Russia during the Crimean War.

    Russia, which until 1917 ranked fifth in the world economy


    Yes of course. Can you give a nomenclature of industrial goods, the production of which was strong in this "fifth economy"? Separately - industrial Russian goods, which were exported, at least to the same Africa.

    Is it not clear for what purpose was brought up and nurtured German fascism in Europe?


    Of course it is understandable. To use German fascism as an "icebreaker", as a means of redistributing the world in the interests of overseas financial oligarchs, as a way for the United States to subjugate Europe and replace the British pound with the dollar as the world's reserve currency.
    The Germans were twice bred as suckers, they were used in other people's interests. If Russia had not become Soviet, our people would have had to play a similar role.
    As it was already. Suffice it to recall the Napoleonic wars, from which we were of little use, but the main costs were on the Russian ridge and fell.