Russia began to form a peacekeeping contingent to be sent to Kazakhstan

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Russia has begun to form a peacekeeping contingent to be sent to Kazakhstan as part of the decision to introduce the CSTO peacekeeping forces into the republic. The dispatch of personnel will take place from two airfields in the Moscow region.

According to the Russian media, at the moment it is known about the inclusion of units from the 26th division and the 45th airborne brigade in the peacekeeping contingent. We are talking about two companies of special forces, which are already preparing to be sent to Kazakhstan. The flight will take place from the airfields of Kubinka and Chkalovskiy, and several cargo Il-76 and An-124 are included in the formed squadron.

Groups from the 2nd and 24th Special Forces Brigades of the Central Military District are in a state of "high alert", the dispatch is being prepared from the airfield of the Central Military District in the Orenburg Region. They can be joined by a battalion from the 55th mountain brigade of the district. There is also information about the preparations for the transfer to Kazakhstan of the 11th separate guards engineering brigade of the Southern Military District, stationed in Kamensk-Shakhtinsky.

In social networks, it is reported about the preparation for sending to Kazakhstan of servicemen of the 103rd Airborne Division of the Belarusian Army.

Earlier, Armenian Prime Minister Nikol Pashinyan announced an urgent decision to send a peacekeeping contingent of the Collective Security Treaty Organization to the Republic of Kazakhstan on the basis of Article 4 of the treaty. CSTO peacekeepers are brought into the republic for a limited period of time to normalize and stabilize the situation. The request for the introduction of peacekeeping forces came from the President of Kazakhstan, Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev.

Recall that the CSTO includes Armenia, Belarus, Kazakhstan, Kyrgyzstan and Russia.

Comments

[Mikhail Sidorov]

This is good news. Such a mediocre mistake as with Ukraine does not awaken.

[kubanec]

Was Ukraine a member of the CSTO?

[Xlor]

Was Ukraine a member of the CSTO?

Ukraine was part of the security belt for the Russian Federation ...

[Stas157]

Yesterday Peskov's message was played on the radio all day:

Dmitry Peskov noted that it is very important that no one interferes from the outside.

The Kremlin believes that the Kazakh authorities will cope with internal problems on their own, said Dmitry Peskov, press secretary of the Russian president.

Today:

Russia began to form a peacekeeping contingent to be sent to Kazakhstan

[Fitter65]

Quote: Stas157

Today:
Russia began to form a peacekeeping contingent to be sent to Kazakhstan

Well, Comrade D. Peskov said everything correctly, this is for

Quote: Stas157

so that no one interferes from the outside.

[ZeeD]

Actually, Tokayev turned to the CSTO for help.

[bayard]

Apparently Peskov is not at all aware of the decisions made by his boss.

[lubesky]

Quote: bayard

Apparently Peskov is not at all aware of the decisions made by his boss.

So Putin himself answered this question in the documentary - sometimes I listen to what Peskov says - he says such nonsense, I sometimes think - where does he get this from?

[Charik]

What has been said-Believe, Peskov's mustache does not lie.

[Vasia]

Quote: Stas157

Yesterday Peskov's message was played on the radio all day:
Dmitry Peskov noted that it is very important that no one interferes from the outside.
The Kremlin believes that the Kazakh authorities will cope with internal problems on their own, said Dmitry Peskov, press secretary of the Russian president.
Today:
Russia began to form a peacekeeping contingent to be sent to Kazakhstan

Everything is normal, there are internal affairs of NATO, there are internal affairs of the CSTO - no contradictions.
In general, well done, we learn from partners, from civilized countries. Although we do not reach such lawlessness, of course, this is alien to the Russian Federation.
Look how Yanukovych was "given a ride" - he made all the concessions, Poland, Germany and France signed an agreement between Yanukovych and the opposition, and the next day they decided to "use it up." And where are those Poland, Germany and France? And the United States seemed to have nothing to do with it, but still heard the words of Mrs. Vicki: "Fuсk thе EU!", And everyone saw who handed out cookies and talked about the $ 5 billion invested in the revolution in Ukraine.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: kubanec

Was Ukraine a member of the CSTO?

Well, Syria is not part of the CSTO. Russia is providing assistance upon request of assistance from the official Damascus. If Vitya Panda asked for help, perhaps he would not have been refused, especially since this state is in the zone of interests of the CSTO countries and (mentally and historically) is much closer than Syria. But Vitya stupidly drifted and was busy saving his own skin, surrendering the country to the EU, the USA and their puppets.

[bayard]

Quote: Nyrobsky

If Vitya Panda asked for help, perhaps he would not have been denied,

So he turned.
Moreover, both in writing and twice publicly - through a video message.
Apparently in the Kremlin they thought that it would resolve itself, but it won’t be so. But at least they learned a lesson, Belarus was not left to its own devices.
And in this case, it worked like that quickly and absolutely right - the CSTO was created for such cases.

[Nyrobsky]

Then he applied, but what was the chronicle of events? Vitya blew through from Kiev on the night of February 21-22 and from February 22-23 our special services was taken to Russia, and his letter was born and dated March 1, when he had already been kneading his cheeks on a pillow in Rostov for a week.
On February 22, the Rada deprived him of his legitimacy under the pretext that he had "withdrawn himself from the exercise of constitutional powers and did not fulfill his duties." The government of Azarov, Vitya managed to dissolve himself, and therefore the prime minister could no longer apply with such a letter on behalf of the government. This letter, under the prevailing conditions on March 1, was already too late for what could be adopted to resolve the issue on the merits, since the West would have already unwound this situation from the point of view that the letter was written under pressure exerted on Yanukovych. If this rag had been ripe for writing a couple of weeks earlier, then perhaps the situation would have gone according to a different scenario.

[bayard]

Quote: Nyrobsky

Then he applied, but what was the chronicle of events?

Let's see.

Quote: Nyrobsky

Vitya blew through from Kiev on the night of February 21-22

Stop stop. And what happened on the Eve?
And on the eve there was a SIGNING of a document about a kind of "settlement of the situation." Remember?
That Yanukovych removes from Kiev the militia special forces, explosives and combined PPS companies, and ... the junta removes its armed thugs from the streets.
Do you remember?
The "political government" headed by Yatsenyuk will have new early elections by the end of the year. Right ?
And who ... wait a minute ... WHO FORCED him ... not only did he SAVE (!!) to sign this nonsense?
Forgot ??
And I will remind you, because the author of this agreement himself admitted this more than once officially and under the cameras.
Yes, this is our Sun-Faced GDP.
It was he who persuaded Yanukovych to surrender and sign EVERYTHING that the US henchmen in the face of the junta would demand of him.
True, he made excuses that his "Obama cheated" - can you imagine ??
It was Obama who deceived Solntselikiy and persuaded him to persuade Yanukovych to surrender and sign what he was given !!!
Janek called Putin hoping, if not for help, then at least for support ...
And in response ??
That's it.
So I signed it.
And immediately flew from Kiev by helicopter.
Where ?
To Kharkov, where deputies of all levels from all over Ukraine have already gathered, in order to ... ATTENTION ... to proclaim Kharkov the temporary capital of Ukraine, since the enemy has already captured Kiev.
But having learned of such intentions, Kolomoisky sent at least 2 thousand Maidan militants on buses to Kharkiv the same night. And when early in the morning the deputies began to gather in the hall ... the building was surrounded by militants.
And there were no forces to defend the building (even) - the police were disarmed and demoralized by such an unexpected surrender (according to the GDPR CONTRACT), and the Kharkov "Oplot" was just returning from Kiev, taking out the wounded after street battles.
In such a situation, Yanukovych wrote down an appeal to the citizens of Ukraine and turned to Russia and Putin for help (for the first time) - early in the morning on February 22.
And then he flew by helicopter to Donetsk, hoping to find a support and an assembly place there ... But the air defense officer on duty over the radio ... forbade the president's helicopter (!) To continue moving towards Donetsk under the threat of being shot down.
Have you heard of this?
And I remember in all dynamics.
Then the helicopter sat down, Yanyk moved into the cortege with the guards, and realizing that the roads to Donetsk were blocked (there were already ambushes on the roads in order to physically destroy - gangs of 50-200 people with machine guns and even machine guns - according to the intelligence of the security service). And it was decided to break through in cars to the Crimea. They organized a couple of false motorcade, reconnaissance of routes ... ambushes were everywhere.
And already that very night, the head of security (!!) contacted his colleague in the Kremlin and asked for help.
They didn't call Putin!
And to the chief of his security.
Already on a kid - "help out".
That's when the helicopters arrived.
And from Rostov he already had the SECOND appeal.
But the Kremlin had no plans to save anyone.
He had enough of the Crimea for the eyes.
How many years propaganda has been shaking this.
And they had no plan for Ukraine.
And only the uprising in Donbass, which failed to merge (and there were attempts), when people first proclaimed republics, then held referendums in two regions, and then, when troops and armed gangs of drug addicts from the Maidan were thrown at them, when they began to bomb the cities, they died peaceful, and in the proclaimed republics a militia was formed and waged an armed struggle ... when they held out for half the spring and summer, and the entire press ... and already the whole world, wrote about the unfolding battles, when volunteers from Russia and everything poured into the Donbass (! ) Peace ...
It was decided ... to go in and out ... As to Georgia.
But beforehand, having taken out from there the Minister of Defense of the DPR Strelkov.
... And the twisting of the hips began for eight years already.

That's how it was.
There were (were not, but WERE) appeals for help.
Everything was .
No help was provided.
And there was undisguised surprise: "Why did you start fighting?"
Exactly so - AMAZING - "WHY?" ...

But it looks like the events of the past years have slightly corrected their brains.
But only slightly.

[keeper03]

In principle, Mexico can turn to the CSTO for help! So, the mattress will not seem a little!

[Nyrobsky]

Well, let's just say, with Mexico, of course, everything is more complicated, since there are no vital interests of the CSTO countries there.

[Yarhann]

Vitya and his son Sasha were strongly convinced, as usual, by the Ukrainian so-called elites that, to put it mildly, they would deceive the whole world. As a result, Vitya was thrown (EU, RF, USA and everyone who was at the table) precisely because Vitya himself threw. and Vitya, realizing that he was throwing, dumped his tail between his legs precisely because he screwed up in a circle. Suffice it to recall the entire chronology of European integration of those times - when Ukraine, having put on the Russian Federation and the CIS, flooded the European integration, so to speak without asking - the same Vitya ruled this. And how it came to the point and the grandmas were counted - Vitya turned on the back one because both the Russian Federation and China threw in the dough - just remember those agreements on cooperation. And when Vitya ingloriously merged into the Maidan both in the Russian Federation and in China, it became clear that Vitya threw and he could drain those who came to help him - because his entire top is a banal organized criminal group including the SBU (now nothing has changed either) with all the ensuing interests - the security of the state is not included in these interests not then not now.
therefore, I am not very impressed with the message of the soldiers to Kazakhstan, if the local SBU is at the same level of development as in Ukraine - that is, an organized crime group with exclusively selfish questions - then there is no point in saving Kazakhstan peacefully, our guys will be substituted at every step. We are waiting for the start of the civil war - then it will be clear who the enemy is who is the friend, and then it’s a matter of technology. In Central Asia, and indeed in the east, it is much more profitable and easier to put things in order using the direct extermination of enemies in civil confrontation. All the same, they never recognized democracy and never aspired to it, and it is impossible to establish order there in any legal way. Remember Syria, how many bolts you chatted with the so-called opposition, but what's the point? There is no other power there - there are tyrants, autocrats, sultans, etc. - medieval game. Kazakhstan differs from more southern countries only by a touch of secularism, but it is apparent, this territory in an instant degrades to the level of ISIS or some kind of caliphate.
Although if operatives (Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, GRU) come in from the soldiers, then this is a completely different calico - then you can clean up everything at the root and pick out the stubborn and moles in the security forces

[Nyrobsky]

Why this great speech (senseless and merciless) and I wonder how the Russian Federation threw Vitya, if it was Russia that saved this freak from certain death? What was our interest in throwing off three lard of greenery to Vita, and "throwing" knowing the prospect of their non-return?

Quote: Yarhann

when Vitya ingloriously merged into the Maidan both in the Russian Federation and in China, it became clear that Vitya was throwing and he could drain those who came to help him

How is China ripe here?

Quote: Yarhann

its entire top is a banal organized criminal group including the SBU

At that time, the SBU was already renting out an entire floor for CIA officers, so calling this structure a votina patrimony is at least strange. The SBU with the CIA agent Nalyvaichenko (so it seems) worked hard to remove Viti.

Quote: Yarhann

therefore I am not very impressed with the message of the soldiers to Kazakhstan

In general, your impressions have little effect on the events taking place. It is enough that the introduction of peacekeepers through the CSTO did not impress the organizers of this mess, since this non-standard move was not part of their plans.

Quote: Yarhann

We are waiting for the start of the civil war - then it will be clear who the enemy is who is the friend, and then it's a matter of technology

But this cannot be ruled out, a citizen can prove herself.

Quote: Yarhann

Although if operatives (Ministry of Internal Affairs, FSB, GRU) come in from the soldiers, then this is a completely different calico - then you can clean up everything at the root and pick out the stubborn and moles in the security forces

I think that what was happening did not weakly cheer up the instinct of self-preservation among the authorities of Kazakhstan, which, in principle, gives rise to thinking that a number of measures will be taken on its part to completely clean up non-profit organizations funded by the West and reduce the staff of diplomatic missions of countries whose involvement in these events will be proven. It is impossible to slide down to a banal amnesty, since the participants in the pogroms and murders must incur real criminal punishment with maximum permissible periods of up to life imprisonment (there is no moratorium on execution, then shoot it to hell), because having escaped punishment, they will only improve their base and increase qualifications for the next mess. It is necessary to cut off the threads for which the mattresses and the British are pulling the "opposition". Surely there are enough places in Kazakhstan that need the implementation of "people's" construction projects by the hands of those who "want to reform and be released with a clear conscience."

[Yarhann]

I answer to experts. Vitya muddied three lards of greenery (although then they took away everything that was in the banks to the west and was an order of magnitude more) and dumped, remaining alive - that's all my good profit.
China entered into an agreement on the supply of grain to China for a long time - as a result, not a dough of grain. this is all history ...
They did not believe in this goblin not in the west or in the east - therefore it turned out as it is and everything is quite good on his part.
It is clear that he paid all the money that Vitya made to the security forces of the Russian Federation both for the credit card and for the life - but these coins have nothing to do with the FB. This is the earnings of employees.
The word NCO can be repeated 100500 times - it will not become sweeter. Festivals like the Kazakh ones do not take place without interaction with local authorities or paid inaction of the security services. This I mean that everything is bought and overbought there - asia unprincipled people are the norm of life

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Yarhann

I answer to experts. Vitya muddied three lard of greenery (although then they took away everything that was in the banks to the west and was an order of magnitude more) and dumped, remaining alive - that's all my good profit .

Why is it good, your profit?

Quote: Yarhann

China entered into an agreement on the supply of grain to China for a long time - as a result, not a dough of grain. this is all history

So this story with grain seems to have a post-Maid color already. There, if memory serves, the "non-workers" under the supervision of Yaytsenyuk had to put the grain at 3,5 lard, and put it at 1 lard, after which they blunt and fell into amnesia.

Quote: Yarhann

They did not believe in this goblin not in the west or in the east - therefore it turned out as it is and everything is quite good on his part.

So why did you have to arrange these dances with tambourines, shooting, burning tires and hundreds of heavens, if Vitya's presidential term was ending in a year?

Quote: Yarhann

It is clear that he paid all the money that Vitya made to the security forces of the Russian Federation both for the credit card and for the life - but these coins have nothing to do with the FB. This is the earnings of employees

Everything was confused in the Obolenskys' house! Do you believe in this nonsense as a result of a false informational shock, or are you its author?
Ahem. Perhaps we'll finish for this

[Yarhann]

my boy in the real world, everything revolves around the dough. and schoolchildren, of course, can believe in Santa Claus, Jesus, Allah, etc. fairy tales - this is not prohibited)))
The meaning of the fable is that there is no need to throw those who help you (RF, EU, USA, China). If VVP helped the Vityusha stay in power, he would have cleaned himself up not only among his own people, but also among those mentioned above. Simply put, such shit as Vityusha is not interesting for ANYONE to leave in power in Ukraine, that's why it was merged.
And he remained alive because the FSB took him for a gesheft - which is quite normal - to rob the loot.
And you continue to believe in Santa Claus, the birth of Jesus, and so on)) on this perhaps we will finish))))

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Yarhann

my boy in the real world, everything revolves around the dough. and schoolchildren, of course, can believe in Santa Claus, Jesus, Allah, etc. fairy tales - this is not prohibited)))

Well, if the boy is almost 60, how old are you, grandfather?

Quote: Yarhann

If VVP helped the Vityusha stay in power, he would have cleaned himself up not only among his own people, but also among those mentioned above. Simply put, such shit as Vityusha is not interesting for ANYONE to leave in power in Ukraine, that's why it was merged.

Well, what are you, like an urchin with a fan, children read you too ...
"smoothed" - lowered his social status in the eyes of society,
"shit" is not a good person (unreliable)
"leaked" - denied legitimacy and support

Quote: Yarhann

And you continue to believe in Santa Claus, the birth of Jesus, etc.

Faith in good, light and eternal has not made anyone worse yet.

Quote: Yarhann

And he remained alive because the FSB took him for a gesheft - which is quite normal - to rob the loot

If the FSB, SVR, GRU work exclusively for gesheft, then this is already senile marasmus grandfather.

Quote: Yarhann

on this we will probably finish))))

Perhaps yes. I'll run while I read the primer, and you frown further)))

[Sharky]

Such a mediocre mistake as with Ukraine does not awaken.

Will notеso
But here I completely agree with Margarita Simonyan:
Of course, help is needed. You definitely need to help.
But some conditions must also be set.
1. Crimea - to recognize.
2. Cyrillic - return.
3. Russian is the second state language, as in Kyrgyzstan.
4. Leave alone Russian schools and do not lie to the Chief, which is so.
5. Drive out anti-Russian NGOs.
6. A coherent fraternal domestic policy, excluding games with the Nazis.

[Gardamir]

Whether or not to admit is nonsense. For example, Baikonur is more profitable to return. But while no one writes something, how will the Russian servicemen be there? The slaughter is not weak.

[Sharky]

Whether or not to admit is nonsense. For example, Baikonur is more profitable to return. But while no one writes something, how will the Russian servicemen be there?

What makes you think that the recognition of Crimea is nonsense? Please explain.
Baikonur can be developed jointly if they have adequate power in the country. I don’t think a massacre is on the way. Rather, a tough settlement by force in the shortest possible time. After all, Tokayev is still acting quite tough and is not going to Rostov for permanent residence.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

Russian Winter 2022 planned

[culinary]

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

Russian Winter 2022 planned

Something inspired ...
The plane leaves in the fog of stars
Back to the prescribed base
And the sailor's duty calls us there
Landing to the west abandoned by order.
***
They fly between the parachute lines
City of Bratislava is on fire
And slowly sit on the sand
Guys from Siberia and the Urals.
***
And from the window on the backs a machine gun
And the blood runs along the black beret
Lead hail passed along the pavement
And one kid is not with us.
***
He returned home safe and sound
And mother wipes her tears from happiness
Our Russian Marine is invincible
And let the whole of Europe know about this.

[Fitter65]

Quote: kulinar

And our sailor's duty calls us there ... Our Russian Marine is invincible
And let the whole of Europe know about this ...

So I understand you served in the navy? We sang - And the soldier's duty calls us there ... and blood flows over the blue beret ... Well, the ending ... Our Soviet SOLDIER is invincible ... And you dragged the Russian Marine here, if at the time of writing the song there was the USSR and the marines, as far as I remember, did not take part in the Czechoslovak events. This is approximately if the submariners sang - ... He bombed Berlin eight times and shot down four planes ... They would know at least a little the history of army folklore.

[PSih2097]

from the same repertoire ...

Freight tanks are flying
Rustling on the asphalt rollers,
And rob Swiss banks
Big-faced political instructors.
And with chalk on the walls of the Reichstag
Chief Scraps scratches:
,, We need Paris and The Hague,
And Africa is also needed! "

Again over the La Scala Theater
As soon as the smoke blows
Winged jackals roar
Buzzing motor spare.
Everywhere Toidze Posters
(Circulation - forty-first, spring):
,, We need Naples and Nice
And Africa is also needed! "

In the English Channel the moody depths
Everywhere you look
Crawl in diving suits
Agents of Bloody Gabney.
These tasks are simple:
They need a writer Rezun,
And Africa (this is holy)
And Mars, and the Moon, and Neptune!

Winged tanks rushing
In the dawn distance, blue
Citizens cry in Europe
Over your bitter fate.
Ah, how tragically late
Rezun's covenant is heard:
,, They need both London and Oslo,
And Africa is also needed! "

[Gardamir]

About Crimea. Here are young people living together. Well, we did not go to the registry office, but the children are joint. What difference does it make for them to be recognized as husband and wife?
What about Baikonur? If all goes well, as they say here according to the Ukrainian scenario, then Baikonur will cost a pretty penny or even lose it altogether. So you have to write your own script. Or give up and let things go.
Only now the time is ticking. Strong and wise Nursultan is now an old grandfather ...

[Flooding]

Quote: Gardamir

Here are young people living together. Well, we did not go to the registry office, but the children are joint. What difference does it make for them to be recognized as husband and wife?

Legal problems with the recognition of property as general

Children, of course, also do not care whether they were born in marriage or not.

[Sharky]

What difference does it make for them to be recognized as husband and wife?

Do you want to say that the social unit does not have any goodies? I'll give you a hint about a family mortgage with a low interest rate, for example (although I don't like the lending system itself).
It will not work according to the Ukrainian scenario, the Republic of Belarus did not go and everything will be under control, especially since China has already expressed its position on Kazakhstan that it supports the establishment of constitutional order in Kazakhstan and will not allow Hausa.

[figwam]

They fly slowly ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sharky

What makes you think that the recognition of Crimea is nonsense?

And where did you get the idea that the recognition of Crimea by the Republic of Kazakhstan will affect something? Kazakhstan's authority in the geopolitical sphere is below the floor.
The rest of the requirements are very controversial, they are too serious and global. This is not why the Kazakhs have pursued a policy of distance from Russia for so many years.

[Sharky]

This is not why the Kazakhs have pursued a policy of distance from Russia for so many years.

That's it: what we fought for, we ran into it. If they sent their best graduates to study in America, also at the expense of Kazakhstan, and now these pro-Western fosterlings are looting and are trying to overthrow the government with weapons, is it time to think about who is the enemy and who is the friend? A friend always comes to help in difficult times, and it would be necessary to repay him for his kindness and support. Or are you satisfied with how local Kazakhs nightmare Russian speakers there?

[Eroma]

Kazakhs need to study their history well they themselves asked to be part of Russia that we would protect them from the Dzungars, and we defended them.
Today they decided that the world has become more secure, and the West regularly reminds that this is an illusion!
Independence is a luxury, you must always choose an older brother with whom you can safely look into the future, throwing always ends in the same way: ruin

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Sharky

Or are you satisfied with how local Kazakhs nightmare Russian speakers there?

I know two Russians, originally from Kazakhstan, who left there in the 90s, one returned back to Kazakhstan five years ago, the second 2 years ago.
As for the introduction of troops, this is a cancerous mistake, simply because of the fear that the same can happen in our country. But in the long term, it is a knife in the back of the entire Russian-speaking population of Kazakhstan.
Rough reflection instead of playing ahead.

[aybolyt678]

Quote: Sharky

Tokayev has been acting quite tough so far

he harshly declares, and invites the CSTO ... his own army is idle, the cordoning off the square in Almaty has been removed, the Interior Ministry is giving equipment and weapons to the militants, he himself is afraid of the army's betrayal, I understand if there were demonstrative shootings of high-ranking security officials who did not cope with the tasks

[Sharky]

his own army is inactive, the cordon of the square in Almaty has been removed

- the military on the armored personnel carrier took the pogromists in the ring in the center of Kazakhstan's Alma-Ata, after which a shootout took place in the city on Republic Square;
We have different sources, apparently. Nevertheless, you yourself understand that almost no one will be able to immediately put things in order. Yes, somewhere yesterday weapons were taken away from the military ... and today the military took the pogromists in the ring in the center of Alma-Ata, there was a fierce firefight.
Armored vehicles are being pulled into Alma-Ata ...

[Overlock]

Quote: Sharky

there was a fierce firefight.

in fact - civil war

[Was mammoth]

Why would you? Whom with whom?
Share.

[Dalmatia]

What does Crimea have to do with it? What recognition? Crimea is a subject of a federation within Russia and recognition of this fact is not required.

[Gardamir]

But people like Simonyan want to buy extra glasses on this.

[Sharky]

But people like Simonyan want to buy extra glasses on this.

Do you have any personal dislike for Margarita Simonyan? You do not support Navalny by the case?

[Gardamir]

There is no personal enmity, but people in the service posing as patriots are unpleasant.
I cannot support Navalny for the same reason. He dreams of turning Russia into Europe.
As for the recognition. Everyone is looking for benefits. Even some kind of Bananastan says, we recognize the Crimea, and what will we get from this?

[Sharky]

people in the service posing as patriots are unpleasant.

I believe that you have higher and more significant achievements in life than Margarita, who has been the editor-in-chief of the RT channel since 2005, the international news agency Rossiya Segodnya since 2013 and the news agency Sputnik since 2014.
Share, very interesting.

He dreams of turning Russia into Europe.

This is a deep delusion; Navalny and his curators have never set and do not set such goals for themselves.

Even some kind of Bananastan says, we recognize the Crimea, and what will we get from this?

For example: direct flights between Bananastan and Simferopol. Think about the rest by developing your thought.

[Gardamir]

You are a little confused. In your opinion, who has the most achievements that more patriot? Yeltsin was over there as president.
As for Navalny, several years ago I happened to see the program of the Navalny party. So he's definitely not a patriot.
President Bananastana will ask for money or help in the fight against neighboring Pineasostan.
As for today's events, I would like the President to feel free to think about political, diplomatic and economic benefits. For example, Baikonurnash.

[Sharky]

You are a little confused. In your opinion, who has the most achievements that more patriot?

I have no complaints about the word patriot. There is no patriotic person if the person does useful work for society. We must pay tribute to Margarita, the abbreviation RT is known all over the world. This is a great achievement from my point of view, that there is a mass media resource that broadcasts in English and outlines the point of view of the Russian Federation. Every military man should be a patriot in my understanding, and these are people in the service, as you wrote above. If you do not consider Margarita a patriot, then give an example of at least some of her actions that contradict patriotism.
In my understanding, Navalny is an enemy of the people, let's close this topic.
If the president of Bananastan asks for money, and at this time supplies the Crimean peninsula with high-quality bananas and people from Crimea fly direct flights to rest on the coast of Bananastan, then you can lend at an adequate percentage. I see no barriers.

[Dalmatia]

Simonyan should not write nonsense, not her level. Moreover, she has the opportunity to consult with international lawyers who would explain to her that no recognition of Crimea is needed.
And second, to beg for the recognition of Crimea is humiliating for Great Russia.

[Dalmatia]

Simonyan is not a lawyer, so he cannot know that the recognition / non-recognition of Crimea does not entail any legal consequences for the legal personality of the Russian Federation.

[Sharky]

Recognition of Crimea by other countries would strengthen relations between Russia and these countries. Trust would be taken to a new level. And also, it would be a good sobering signal to our most likely enemies on the World stage. Do you agree with that?

[Dalmatia]

Personally for you and everyone else demanding the recognition of the Crimea.

The Republic of Crimea is a constituent entity of the Russian Federation.
The legal basis is the Constitution of the Russian Federation.
And it's all.
And stop doing demagoguery.
Merry Christmas!

[Sharky]

When you celebrate Christmas, ask yourself a question, why international flights do not fly to Simferopol airport, but only domestic ones? Then you will understand why international recognition is important for the people who live there. You think not only of yourself, but of all the citizens of the Russian Federation, right?

[El Chuvachino]

Because for us
A) it shouldn't be important whether someone else recognizes Crimea or not, the main thing is that we know.
B) in practice, this will not change anything for the foreseeable future

[Alekseev]

Russian and other military units from the CSTO countries will normally be there.
Seeing that they are supported, the Kazakh authorities and security forces themselves will begin to work actively.
And then they started a continuation of the Arab and different there other "springs".
The crowds will quickly disperse when they start shooting at the gangs, and then serious repressions against the bandit elements are needed and the pro-Western "elite", that is, those who allowed it, should be equated to them ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: Alekseev

Seeing that they are supported, the Kazakh authorities and security forces themselves will begin to work actively.

Here I disagree with the wording. They will start actively "bend"... Just as they actively gave up their weapons and went over to the side of the "people", which was a herd of marauders. Tokayev's words about "gangs that came from the south" are all for the CSTO. The alignment of the clans has long been known to everyone (south-west / north-east), there was just an attempt to change the government and the fact that there are no "opposition leaders" is not a fact, because all these leaders have been sitting there for a long time in parliament. And even according to the same gas trading on exchange platforms, it is clear that this is an element of certain concessions-agreements within the authorities. A normal strong government would not allow this.

we need strong repressions against the gangsters and equate the pro-Western "elite" with them, that is, those who allowed it ...

But here I completely agree. The agreement has brought it "to the handle." Press on the vine !!! It was not for nothing that at Valdai this year VVP reminded Tokayev of the fate of Hussein

[the finish]

One thing I don't understand is that Armenia was impatient to help Aliyev's lawyers and lobbyists!

[Flooding]

Quote: finish

One thing I don't understand is that Armenia was impatient to help Aliyev's lawyers and lobbyists!

Armenia in the CSTO
what does it mean to itch or not to itch?
have contractual obligations?
do it!

[the finish]

she saw it clearly in 2020 .....

[Flooding]

Quote: finish

she saw it clearly in 2020 .....

we can do without the twists and turns of consciousness
Karabakh is not part of Armenia and is not a member of the CSTO

[the finish]

Karabakh outside the brackets. They bombed the very territory of the country, and even now, sections and heights on the border are being gnawed off; on this occasion, Pashinyan turned to the CSTO. So what? Silence! Among other things, Kazakhstan is the first lobbyists of Azerbaijan's interests against Armenia in the EAU and the CSTO. Nobody forbade Kazakhstan to send not military aid to an ally, but at least humanitarian aid and even just words!

[Flooding]

Quote: finish

They bombed the very territory of the country, and even now, sections and heights on the border are being gnawed off, on this occasion Pashinyan's appeal to the CSTO was

the territorial integrity of Armenia, its sovereignty and statehood were not threatened
read the statutory documents of the CSTO

[Dalmatia]

Armenia is currently chairing the CSTO

[Stepan S]

The slaughter is not weak.

There will be no slaughter. Everyone will be calmed down even before arrival, if the snot is not smeared.

[Gardamir]

As they say, wait and see. Nobody minds if you are right. But then I would like to compensate for the costs "for gasoline"

[Dante Alighieri]

Everyone will be calmed down even before arrival, if the snot is not smeared.

And what will happen then at least one of you sofa analysts wondered, no? How will the Russian population live after the peacekeepers leave and how the Kazakhs will look at the local Russians after such "fraternal bear help." Didn't know how to solve the Russian issue in Kazakhstan - ask for help from blockheads in uniform.

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Dante

Everyone will be calmed down even before arrival, if the snot is not smeared.

And what will happen then at least one of you sofa analysts wondered, no? How will the Russian population live after the peacekeepers leave and how the Kazakhs will look at the local Russians after such "fraternal bear help." Didn't know how to solve the Russian issue in Kazakhstan - ask for help from blockheads in uniform.

Well, they didn't interfere in Ukraine, so what? Isn't there discrimination against Russians? Language and schools were banned, Russians were driven into the status of non-indigenous peoples, persecution of the Orthodox Church. Tymoshenko blathers about the fact that the Russians must be destroyed with nuclear weapons, while the Natsiks are pushing slogans that the Russians must be evicted - "suitcase, station Russia." This is far from the limit and the pressure on the Russian-speaking population will increase.

[Dante Alighieri]

An incorrect comparison, in Ukraine the watershed originally went along the border of Moscow or Brussels, Russian or European, i.e. the stumbling block was, in fact, the choice of the path of development of society, based on the self-determination of the nation.

At the same time, in Kazakhstan, the reasons for the protests are purely internal political and internal economic in nature, no one requires the Kazakhs to determine their self-identity or adherence to one or another cultural paradigm. And the national question, while there is an extreme one on the side, in the second row. There is no need to give additional incentives to separate it.

[Nyrobsky]

Yes Yes. The people, including the Russians, went to the Maidan under other Wishlist, very far from those they received. Those who dragged them to the barricades did not say that the Russian language would be banned. Everything unfolds practically according to one scenario, with the exception of the "European choice" - first ek.requirements, then political, the overthrow of the current government, bringing to power people loyal to the West, the split of society on nat. and religious reasons, the issuance of loans from the IMF and the EB with a thrown around the neck of the "victim" of the financial stranglehold, the redistribution of assets, the collapse of the economy and the siphoning of resources. As a bonus, war and loss of territories. Here are Ukrainian enticements -

The people got what they stood for?

[Dante Alighieri]

And what do you want to say with this poster? There was a sea of ​​posters, you cited only one of many.
There were such

For Ukrainians in 2014, Moscow was a symbol of stagnation, and Europe was seen as a standard of prosperity. And even if Europe did not come to Kiev, just do not say that the Ukrainians have seriously miscalculated about Moscow.

Everything unfolds practically according to the same scenario.

I'll tell you this: since the time of the French bourgeois revolution, all social protests follow the same scenario everywhere, and people always take to the streets to defend their right to a better life as they see and understand it. Sometimes they manage to change something for the better, sometimes they don't. But at least they try ...

A slave who is unaware of his slavery and languishes in a silent, unconscious and wordless slave life is simply a slave. A slave who salivates when he smugly describes the delights of a slave life and admires a kind and good master is a slave, a boor.
IN AND. Lenin

I do not condemn the Ukrainians, I do not condemn the Belarusians, I do not condemn the Kazakhs ... I understand them ... actions only legitimizing their decisions. I know and understand all this, but I have no moral right to condemn. Everyone fights for their happiness and the future of their children as they see fit

[Nyrobsky]

Quote: Dante

And what do you want to say with this poster? There was a sea of ​​posters, you cited only one of many.

One of many, but composed in such a way as to draw out into the streets even those who are neutral towards the authorities. As they say - "With good intentions" - laid out the road to hell.

Quote: Dante

There were such

Judging by the face, this is the most hungry under Yanukovych. And judging by the last two words on the poster, this physiognomy with the features of a woman is also a high-quality conductor of Bandera ideas and meanings ..
I guess she's happy right now. Yanukovych is gone and Ukraine flourished.

[Dante Alighieri]

What difference does it make to the hungriest or not? Or should all the protesters be sure to resemble the prisoners of Buchenwald? So you will be the first to cry out that again the marginalized went out into the street.
Or is it generally unacceptable for you to disobey the authorities and anyone who does not sit on the fifth point exactly, are you ready to consider a fool and a criminal?

[Vasia]

Quote: Dante

And what do you want to say with this poster? There was a sea of ​​posters, you cited only one of many.

Yes figs with him, with the USA, the CIA and others. And the result? Do you agree with the results of "revolutions" / coups? In Ukraine, Libya, Iraq, Georgia, USSR?

[Dante Alighieri]

And the result? Do you agree with the results of "revolutions" / coups?

I do not agree with the results of the coups you listed; a real radical transformation of society is another matter. True, so far no real revolutions have been observed, but this does not mean that a coup cannot develop into one. How can our own history of the 20th century be an example of this.
However, with all this, as I noted above, I understand and do not blame people who go out into the street hoping to change something.

[Vasia]

Quote: Dante

However, with all this, as I noted above, I understand and do not blame people who go out into the street hoping to change something.

I also do not blame these people who are used to destroy and / or transfer their states to external control, I sincerely feel sorry for them.

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

How will the Russian population live after the peacekeepers leave and how the Kazakhs will look at the local Russians after such "fraternal bear help."

And they will live even better if the authorities of Kazakhstan will see this is the problem and they will solve it promptly, rigidly!

[Dante Alighieri]

And they will live even better if the authorities of Kazakhstan see this as a problem and promptly, toughly solve it!

This is not a BDSM circle, violence does not solve much here, especially in the long term. You can create a throne from bayonets, but you won't be able to sit on it for a long time.

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

This is not a BDSM circle, violence does not solve much here, in the long term, so for sure.

Give me air and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and in a month there will be no one who will touch a Russian with a finger, and in a year they will begin to respect ...
The main thing is political will, and then you can make white out of black.
And there are many examples of this.

[Dante Alighieri]

Give me air and the Ministry of Internal Affairs, and in a month there will be no one who will touch a Russian with a finger, and in a year they will begin to respect ...

And at night they will sharpen knives and someday use them for their intended purpose

“Unity,” declared the oracle of our day, “
It may be soldered with iron and blood only ... "

Not about you for an hour?

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

And at night they will sharpen knives and someday use them for their intended purpose

Brains, it's all about brains, the opinion of the crowd can be radically changed through cunning and clever propaganda. The question of time and professionalism. I wrote you about the broadcast for a reason. At the same time, crime = punishment.

[Dante Alighieri]

the opinion of the crowd can be radically changed through cunning and clever propaganda

This is very, very problematic, trust me as a specialist in this field. We each have a kind of barriers that allow us to "filter" the information we receive, which is very, very difficult to get around. There are techniques, but they act more on a subconscious than on a meaningful level. Moreover, they are purely individual. As an example, suppose a person thinks of himself as a supporter of a strong state, and you are trying to convey to him the idea that a certain degree of weakening of state institutions can be beneficial and beneficial. What will happen? Everything is simple - a person simply will not perceive such information, for him all this will sound like "American chatter" or "State Department propaganda". And vice versa, for a democratically-minded person, any information regarding the strengthening of the state and its role will be perceived as evil and the machinations of quilted jackets. And how are you going to deal with it? How will you build propaganda if the population initially does not perceive it, because for them it is nothing more than leaflets / propaganda of the aggressor and usurper? Just wondering

[Edik]

Catch radicals and negotiate with bays, convey to them need resolving the situation and in parallel to work on the air.

[Dante Alighieri]

This is not propaganda, this is precisely a forceful solution. The conversation went precisely for the information component.

To catch the radicals and negotiate with the bays, convey to them the need to resolve the situation and, at the same time, work on the air

You forgot to add "pour the whole thing with supermeasure money" to get a one-to-one scenario tested in Chechnya. Only, unlike Ichkeria, which was bombed to zero, Kazakhstan is quite an economically successful state, which has demonstrated quite real economic successes for 30 years, but as we can see, even this did not help. Fatigue from the authorities, from the permissiveness of officials, the lack of a social perspective and a stable cultural and ideological vector, leads to the fact that even in relatively prosperous communities, discontent is ripening and breaking through. In truth - not by bread alone.

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

This is not propaganda, this is precisely a forceful solution. The conversation went precisely for the information component.

With radical nationalists, I do not see any reason to negotiate at first, all who chastised the bunks.

Quote: Dante

Fatigue from power, from the permissiveness of officials, the lack of a social perspective and a stable cultural and ideological vector,

Where did you see that it was different, in what ideal society it is? Everywhere this is not, but there countries do not destroy for some reason.

[Dante Alighieri]

With radical nationalists, I do not see any reason to negotiate at first, all who chastised the bunks.

And who is this radical nationalist? So far, I see that all the protesters are rowing with the same brush. And those who bomb stores, and those who oppose the authorities and their hangers-on, but at the same time do not touch other citizens, or other people's property, and even more so doctors and firefighters.

Or maybe a radical nationalist is the one who, with clubs and helmets, protects criminals in power, from those who oppose these criminals. Have you ever thought about it?

[Edik]

You know what, all those who are lawless and lawless now, deliver, prove, imprison.
And the radicals are usually the driving and controlling force in such cases, so they get the most.

[Dante Alighieri]

Okay, I suggest looking at another example. Who is Fidel Castro for you, a revolutionary hero who wants a better life for his people, or a criminal who rebelled against the legitimate government of Batista?

I’m not just asking, I’m just trying to find the border that, in your understanding, separates one into the other. For personally, I have long since realized that these are things of the same kind, and therefore it is impossible to treat them so categorically. That is why I absolutely do not understand the warlike attitude that is present in other people every time there is any kind of social protest. I admit that this may be due to, for example, reflection on the events of the 90s. But what's the point? History has already given that generation a chance to save their country from collapse, they did not take advantage of it, why now ganosh and be harassed? The moment is truly passed. And to tear hair at the n-th point for the sake of the bais and lords who have settled in Moscow, Kiev or Astana - thank you, this is beyond my understanding.

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

Okay, I suggest looking at another example. Who is Fidel Castro for you, a revolutionary hero who wants a better life for his people, or a criminal who rebelled against the legitimate government of Batista?

Of course he is a criminal to do with it with the direct support of the USSR. I am not a supporter of radical methods and I believe that much more can be achieved in other ways and without human and territorial losses.

[Dante Alighieri]

Well, that's the whole difference between us, because for me he is a hero and a worthy son of his nation, at least at the very beginning of his path as a politician.

And further. Forgive me, for frankness, the earth is not the main thing for me, for what are the walls and the earth if there are no faithful and worthy people on them? Therefore, the main thing for me is the well-being of my people, which is based on honest and fair relations with each other. I understand that today it sounds utopian, but this is exactly what allowed us to defend our land and the right to life in 1945. And that is why I will always support those who fight against any manifestations of money-grubbing and injustice anywhere.

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

Well, that's the whole difference between us, because for me he is a hero and a worthy son of his nation, at least at the very beginning of his path as a politician.

And that there in Cuba, justice immediately came, well, yes, everyone was in the same g-e.
You are an idealist and honestly are dangerous to society.

[Dante Alighieri]

And that there in Cuba, justice immediately came, well, yes, everyone was in the same g-e.

Fairness is measured proportionally. With the advent of Castro, justice has indeed increased. Life is not that it has become easier, but life has been filled with meaning, filled with dignity. But you will not understand this.

You are an idealist and honestly are dangerous to society.

How dangerous. Violators of the foundations are always dangerous and it does not matter whether they go to explore the world around them, while their fellow tribesmen sit in caves and, under the lamentation of the elders, eat up silently awaiting mercy from the gods, whether they look into the sky dreaming of flying like birds or building a new better society, even if not without jambs, making the world a better place. Fear us, for the future lies with us.

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

or they are building a new better society, albeit not without jambs, making the world a better place. Fear us, for the future lies with us.

People are not yet ready for communism, and when they will not be ready, I don’t know!
Sins will not be allowed.

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

And further. Forgive me, for frankness, the earth is not the main thing for me, for what are the walls and the earth if there are no faithful and worthy people on them?

And you will forgive me too, but for me the main thing, since our ancestors paid for it in blood.

[Edik]

Sorry if I offended you with something! It's very nice to communicate with an intelligent and intelligent person

[Dante Alighieri]

Mutually. Let us not understand each other, but I hope we will not have to be on opposite sides of the barricades))) All the best to you!

[Edik]

And I think Russia would have achieved much more without the February revolution.

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

Or maybe a radical nationalist is the one who, with clubs and helmets, protects criminals in power, from those who oppose these criminals. Have you ever thought about it?

You know, with this approach, you can justify everything.

[Dante Alighieri]

You know, with this approach, you can justify everything.

Not all. Not everyone. Human dignity can never be lost. Women, children and the elderly should not be touched. I won't say anything about the law enforcement agencies - they make their own choice.

[Edik]

Quote: Dante

Human dignity can never be lost. Women, children and the elderly should not be touched.

You know, very often the true evil hides behind their backs.

[Vasia]

Quote: Dante

As an example, suppose a person thinks of himself as a supporter of a strong state, and you are trying to convey to him the idea that a certain degree of weakening of state institutions can be beneficial and beneficial. What will happen? Everything is simple - a person simply will not perceive such information, for him all this will sound like "American chatter" or "State Department propaganda".

Why would a supporter of a strong state perceive the "idea that a certain degree of weakening of state institutions can be beneficial and useful" as "American chatter" or "State Department agitation", especially since the United States is the strongest state now? And what does the subconscious have to do with it? All this is clearly outside the framework of the "unconscious". The question is, for what reasons a person will not accept these stuffing? Maybe there are these reasons, and in his opinion they are very objective. Maybe he understood something about the "State Department propaganda", looking at how states perish and millions of people die? All this does not apply to the subconscious, unconscious or unconscious, to Freud and Jung for sure.

This is very, very problematic, trust me as a specialist in this field.

I just don’t understand, in what area are you a specialist?

[Dante Alighieri]

You did not understand the essence of my example, which is that if a person adheres to certain views / values ​​/ attitudes, and they are trying to convey information of a completely diametric nature to him, with a probability of more than 90% he simply will not listen to you. And to break through this barrier with argumentation, arguments, examples, persuasion, etc. you will fail. This is a conceptual wall. But you can dig under it - for this there are various techniques, which for the most part lie in the plane of the unconscious. They are not secret, they are regularly used by both journalists and political strategists, but I will not describe them to you, because corny I have neither the time nor the opportunity for this - if you find it interesting yourself, there is a lot of scientific literature on this score.

I just don’t understand, in what area are you a specialist?

And for what purpose are you interested? Not that I was hiding, and even here on VO I more than once told how I earn my bread, but still ...

[Vasia]

Quote: Dante

But you can dig under it - for this there are various techniques, which for the most part lie in the plane of the unconscious.

Quote: Dante

And for what purpose are you interested? Not that I was hiding, and even here on VO I more than once told how I earn my bread, but still ...

I just did not understand in what area of ​​scientific knowledge these things can be summed up as "unconscious"?

[Dante Alighieri]

Well, in general, I am a political scientist by education. Real. With the appropriate state diploma. What the overwhelming number of bawlers who appear on TV do not have. I even have a couple of works indexed in the VAK system and about a dozen RSCI articles. For the last 5 years I have been working as an ordinary official in the regional administration of one of the federal services, but this has a very distant relationship to my direct qualifications.

[Vasia]

Then all the more, as a humanist, you should understand that your example has nothing to do with the "unconscious", archetypal images or social mythologems.

[Dante Alighieri]

Of course, we are not talking about Jung's collective unconscious or about the already classical theory of Freud. It is simply about appealing to feelings and emotions from which it is impossible to "close". For example, when we pronounce the formula "sour and tart" or "yellow and sweet" you have an involuntary association, which is extremely difficult to prevent. And you can already work with this. For example, in the preparation of APM (campaigning and educational materials). It is the same with feelings, the strongest of which is the fear of one's own death.

In general, the modern man in the street exists in an extremely saturated information field and attracting his attention is another task. His wife / husband is muttering something to him, children and pets are frolicking underfoot, messages from friends and acquaintances constantly come to the phone. How can you capture the attention of the recipient? Only by telling him about his own death, and not potential, delayed for decades ahead, but immediate, which threatens him here and now. Interspersing this feeling with the thoughts and ideas you want can be very productive.

I repeat once again, this is not a specific theory, but quite an ordinary practice, which is used by almost all media and players in the political arena.

[Vasia]

Everything is clear here - the question of the term that you used in an unfortunate, in my opinion, example. I can’t attribute my attitude to the United States to the unconscious. It changed greatly throughout life as information was received and analyzed, quite consciously.

[Dante Alighieri]

Our conversation with Edward was not about the attitude towards the United States, but about what methods to resolve the social conflict in society. He suggested that everyone should be caught / transplanted / shot, and then with the rest to conduct an educational campaign. So I and I asked how he was going to prove something to people who would see us as aggressors. What does the USA have to do with it?

[Vasia]

Quote: Dante

Everything is simple - a person simply will not perceive such information, for him all this will sound like "American chatter" or "State Department propaganda".

[SKIF555]

You do not know Kazakhs from the auls - this is not Nurik, read the NOMINS of Esimberlina

[fa2998]

Quote: Gardamir

For example, Baikonur is more profitable to return.

Maybe someone will explain WHY we are building the Vostochny cosmodrome. Hundreds of billions have already "flowed away" from the budget. Have you made a gate to take out the money? Russia today launches much less from 3 cosmodromes than the USSR from one Baikonur.

[Incvizitor]

So to disperse the crowd with the use of machine guns and 2a42 it would be a matter of five minutes and whether the army obeys the president or is there the same traitors.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Gardamir

... For example, Baikonur is more profitable to return. ...

For example Russia is building Cosmodrome Vostochny...

[Gardamir]

The closer to the equator, the easier and cheaper the launch.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Gardamir

The closer to the equator, the easier and cheaper the launch.

Then why did the USSR build a cosmodrome in the KSSR (Baikonur), and not in the TSSR (Turkmenia) Ashgabat or in the Ukrainian SSR (Uzbekistan) Kushka ??
These cities and union republics to the south ...

[Gardamir]

But they are closer to the border. again take off in Kazakhstan, pass over the steppes, then the taiga. There are many conditions.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Gardamir

But they are closer to the border. again take off in Kazakhstan, pass over the steppes, then the taiga. There are many conditions.

Today Baikonur ABROAD - this is the main "minus"

[Gardamir]

Well, that's what I'm talking about all day. Tokayev will keep the chair, and he will have free ownership of Baikonur for Russia

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Gardamir

Tokayev will keep the chair, and he will have free ownership of Baikonur for Russia

Before Maidan (2014) in Ukraine, this option was good and desirable ...
After the Maidan, there is only reliance on the controlled land within its borders, where there is no need to ask even "formal permission."

[Gardamir]

So I agree with you, but you can try.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: Gardamir

, but you can try.

stupid learns from своих mistakes - smart on Strangers mistakes.
The clever will find a way out of a difficult situation - the Wise WILL NOT get into a difficult situation.

[Romul_78]

The first point is the nationalization of the entire large industry

[Kittymoore]

The CSTO is a voluntary association. Russia is fulfilling the treaty, it was INVITED.
And the list contains the requirements that are usually put forward to the enemy on the ruins of his capital.

Although, this is Simonyan :)

[Gardamir]

That's exactly what Simonyan is. All these Solovyovs, Brilevs. They have real estate from the enemies of Russia, but they pose as patriots.

[vervolk]

is there evidence?

[Gardamir]

Well, as if this is a well-known fact, but they themselves do not conceal it.

[vervolk]

well, as if it is a clear lie. and they themselves deny.

[Gardamir]

Soloviev does not hide about Lake Como.
At first Brilev tried to refute, but then he sent everyone, like he is not a civil servant, where he wants to buy there. You can't refuse a cozy apartment in London.

[vervolk]

then their doubly misunderstood logic, and even more so yours. so they have real estate there. and at the same time incite to go into conflict with the West right up to a nuclear war and not be afraid of sanctions. how so?! and they convince those on whom everything depends and who cannot be suspected of real estate and accounts in the west.

[Gardamir]

Here I will try to explain it this way. They say a video has spread across Europe, where Kazakhstani patriots lined up in a chain at airports.
So it is with us, while the place is grain, they teach how to live. God forbid shooting, they will scatter in their cracks. And by the way, Brilev and Navalny will find themselves in the same cabin of the plane.

[vervolk]

and Shoigu, Mishustin and the Most Important? scatter too?

[Gardamir]

It's hard to say, on the one hand, there seems to be nowhere, and on the other, they talk about musical instruments ...

[vervolk]

vague allusions to collisions that explain nothing. and without explaining this, all your suggestions are somehow unreliable ...

[Overlock]

Quote: Kitty Moore

The CSTO is a voluntary association. Russia is fulfilling the treaty, it was INVITED.
And the list contains the requirements that are usually put forward to the enemy on the ruins of his capital.

Tracing paper from the entry of the Warsaw Pact troops into Czechoslovakia. In the short term, it helped, in the long term, you know everything.

[abrakadabre]

I would add even more stricter control over all religious organizations, as breeding grounds for illegal activities and agents of foreign influence, but in Russia, this is not all smooth sailing either.

[Sharky]

tightening control over all religious organizations

I agree, that too. We have all these sects at least have already been driven under the plinth, like mice. Remember how in 90 times a week various persons called at the door with a book in their hands and the words: "Do you believe in God?"

[abrakadabre]

Remember how in 90 times a week various persons called at the door with a book in their hands and the words: "Do you believe in God?"

By this I always said that God calls to help your neighbor and immediately asked for a loan or take out a bucket of rubbish. In the latter case, motivating this by the fact that even a small help to my neighbor will be counted. For some reason, this usually ended the discussion on their initiative.
By the way, a considerable part of these sharashki from the faith can and should be brought under the law on foreign agents.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Sharky

But here I completely agree with Margarita Simonyan:

She graduated from MGIMO? Has experience in diplomatic work? How quickly we agree with outstanding professionals in a narrow circle ... And I prefer the legality in such matters, and not gag:

[korabelnikoffevgeny]

This is what I liked ... If on all these points in Kazakhstan there are problems with Turning with Nazarbayev, then what's the point of holding on to them then)

[Gardamir]

I strongly disagree with Platoshkin. In 1974 there were no terrorist groups equal to the state. There was no Internet to move the masses of people.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Gardamir

I strongly disagree with Platoshkin.

And here you don't have to agree, disagree:
Dura lex, sed lex (The law is strong, but it's law)

[Gardamir]

But then they did not know about the color revolutions. And where was this law when NATO carried out aggression against Yugoslavia?

[yuriy55]

Quote: Gardamir

And where was this law when did NATO carry out aggression against Yugoslavia?

It's easier to answer why.
I do not want the Russians to be a bargaining chip in internal national conflicts. It is clear when Kazakhstan would be a good friend of Russia, and when they began to accept "partners" from the West and move away from the Russian Federation ...
The conditions for participation in the match for the Russian contingent must be agreed in advance - stop looking at the national quirks.

[Gardamir]

About the bargaining chip I completely agree with you. As for the start of accepting partners, and what the Kremlin did to make Kazakhstan befriend. At first, everything was allowed to take its course. Everyone has forgotten Zurabov, who sat until the Maidan in Ukraine. Also now, you just need to work your brains in order to profit from this situation.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Gardamir

About the bargaining chip I completely agree with you. As for the start of accepting partners, and what the Kremlin did to make Kazakhstan befriend.

And he did not even threaten with a finger for the actual deportation of Russians from the territory of Kazakhstan (especially in the early-mid-90s) ... Russia turns a blind eye to Kazakh smuggling and is not at all offended for the state.
Kazakhstan is an artificially created republic with the attached territories of the Republic of Ingushetia. What else did we owe to those who did not even pay the debts of the USSR in the corresponding part?
The catalyst for the events that the Russian leadership has missed, Ukrainian nationalism is the adherence of certain circles to fascism and fascist henchmen ...

[Vasia]

Quote: Gardamir

In 1974 there were no terrorist groups equal to the state. There was no Internet to move the masses of people.

Yes, there weren't thousands of NGOs sponsored from overseas. A lot of things were missing. Platoshkin once again confirmed that he is a cheap populist.

[yang174]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa-h6EwwtJ8

[korabelnikoffevgeny]

And now all these points are not being fulfilled?

[Normal]

Quote: Sharky

1. Crimea - to recognize.

Lukashenka who cooks

to send servicemen of the 103rd Airborne Division of the Belarusian Army to Kazakhstan.

Has Crimea already been recognized?
Alas. Our Wishlist is not the goal of the RF Government
There will be nothing that you propose.
Practice shows, whatever the leaders of the Russian Federation take with their hands, everything turns into an eternal underdevelopment, and this is at best.
At worst, the result is exactly the opposite of the originally stated goals. But that's okay. Our propaganda will present any lewdness as an unprecedented success.

[Vasia]

Quote: Normal

Alas. Our Wishlist is not the goal of the RF Government
There will be nothing that you propose.
Practice shows, whatever the leaders of the Russian Federation take with their hands, everything turns into an eternal underdevelopment, and this is at best.
At worst, the result is exactly the opposite of the originally stated goals. But that's okay. Our propaganda will present any lewdness as an unprecedented success.

Tell me, Normal, are you really normal? Although, what a crazy person is admitted.

[Normal]

.

Quote: Vasia

Tell,...

Eh, Vasya, Vasya ...
Can you disagree on the merits of my comment and decided to focus on my nickname?
Very clever, fresh and incredibly inventive. Level 80 polemic mastery .... for "Vasya".

[paul3390]

Fairly - but not enough .. Besides, the service provided is already worthless, so you can help - and everything will return to normal .. Besides, the East is not a rewarding business. Nah - we need some solid weighty guarantees of an iron course change. There are military bases there, the transfer of controlling stakes in key enterprises, joint border security, etc.

[Old tanker]

Well, Belarus, after the well-known events, forgot about the multi-vector, so the time has come for Kazakhstan to return under the Russian hand.

[New Year day]

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

This is good.

Taking into account the capture by the rebels of the arsenals of the military unit and the Ministry of National Security, not very much. Nobody will surrender their weapons, there will be a massacre. When Nazarbayev 10 years ago shot 96 hard workers, what did he think? Inside, civil conflict develops into interethnic

[bober1982]

Quote: Silvestr

Taking into account taking the rebels

A curious definition of well-trained and armed combat groups.

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: bober1982

Taking into account the capture of the rebels

A curious definition of well-trained and armed combat groups.

Yes, of course ! Insurgents can only be "aliens", and "ours" can only be terrorists!

[bober1982]

Quote: Nikolaevich I

Insurgents can only be "strangers"; and "theirs"

Our Kazakh friends, at the moment, are very confused, now the main thing is to separate ours from strangers.
Well, and then tightly deal with strangers, the forces of the regular army and special forces.
And, their own will quickly calm down.

[gjkrjdybr50]

Nikolaevich I, look towards Ukraine. Isn't there a democracy there? And who is there in the Donbass, really the rebels?

[Overlock]

Quote: bober1982

A curious definition of well-trained and armed combat groups.

Do you have a different definition? Give examples of the opposite.

[Mikhail Sidorov]

What do you offer? Wait?

[Barberry25]

if you don't do ANYTHING now, then there will be a massacre

[fa2998]

And if a civil war begins in Kazakhstan, will we take which side, the government zhuz? The CSTO was created against external enemies, or will it deal with the internal problems of the participants? They have both the police and the army, and this is tens of thousands of people, and will fight? And our soldiers are in this mess!

[Barberry25]

for those who are in the tank - If nothing is done, then there will be a massacre and a civil war, but if you crush it in the bud, then there will be peace, you can call it what you want, but Russia will have to solve the problems of Kazakhstan and it is better to solve it now than in a year it is many times more expensive and with great sacrifices

[Edik]

Quote: Silvestr

Taking into account the capture by the rebels of the arsenals of the military unit and the Ministry of National Security, not very much. Nobody will surrender their weapons, there will be a massacre. When Nazarbayev 10 years ago shot 96 hard workers, what did he think? Inside, civil conflict develops into interethnic

When their connection is cut off, they will turn into herd and scatter in different directions.

[MikhailRus]

Do you have a head? In fact, this contingent is aliens and invaders. In the place of the Kazakhs, I would begin military operations against strangers

[Mikhail Sidorov]

So far we all have a head, but if these so-called rioters come to power, then I am afraid for the Russian population ...

[cat Rusich]

Quote: MikhailRus

Do you have a head? In fact, this contingent is aliens and invaders. In the place of the Kazakhs, I would begin military operations against strangers

In Tajikistan, in 1992, Russian neighbors and all other local clans that stood in the way of power immediately became "aliens".
In Kyrgyzstan, the clans of the South of the country - consider the clans of the North of the country "aliens".

[Private89]

If the leadership of Kazakhstan does not draw conclusions, i.e. to change the socio-economic policy in the interests of the people, and not the bais (oligarchy), then everything will repeat itself again. The authorities always have a choice or a reaction (suppression) or deep reforms.

[Overlock]

Quote: Private 89

If the leadership of Kazakhstan does not draw conclusions, i.e. to change the socio-economic policy in the interests of the people, and not the bais (oligarchy), then everything will repeat itself again.

Tokayev cannot change Nazarbayev's system, and if he can, then he is the main beneficiary of the current situation, and maybe the instigator

[fiberboard]

Or maybe we have enough Russian blood to flood other people's fires? Perhaps it would be better to securely close the border and admit only Russian refugees, checking them thoroughly along the way? Maybe in the event of an aggravation and civil war in Kazakhstan, it is better to send your troops into Northern Kazakhstan, on the territory previously transferred by Khrushchev to Kazakhstan?

[Roma 1977]

You cannot close the border. There are thousands of kilometers of steppe. Only the introduction of military units into the territory of Kazakhstan and the creation of a "security zone" in Northern Kazakhstan with a tough suppression of any hostile activity.

[Overlock]

Quote: Roma-1977

Only the introduction of military units into the territory of Kazakhstan and the creation of a "security zone" in Northern Kazakhstan with a tough suppression of any hostile activity.

How? Local security officials washed their hands, they will live there. Tell the Russians to open fire to kill? Continue the thought ...

[vervolk]

do you not know how this is happening in Transnistria and previously happened in South Ossetia and Abkhazia?

[Roma 1977]

Naturally, to defeat. Curfew and other restrictions on rights and freedoms during a state of emergency declared by the legal authorities of Kazakhstan. ZY, as in Syria - at the invitation of the legitimate government, with the right to kill everyone whose beard is not so trimmed.

[lis-ik]

Quote: Mikhail Sidorov

This is good news. Such a mediocre mistake as with Ukraine does not awaken.

And what are you happy about? The fact that the Russian Federation is involved in an internal conflict of a neighboring state? Or the fact that swindlers in the post-Soviet territories support each other? If only to stay longer at the trough and not to lose power at any cost.

[vlad106]

We woke up after a long sleep ...

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

And for normal Kazakhs, the Russian diaspora ... help will not hurt!

So far, nobody touches the Russians there, but after the introduction of the troops, they will have to leave the last.
The normal Kazakhs Elbasy shot 96 people 10 years ago - they came to him for an answer. The average age in Kazakhstan is 29, the youth are no longer Soviet

[tralflot1832]

Judging by yesterday's minuses on the Kazakh topic, there are many on the site who want Russia to repeat the path of the Ukrainian and Kazakh Maidans, necessarily with the murder of our defenders. Yes, this should not happen! Those who understand more that Kazakh rulers are not angels, but now they will be our "angels ". Yes, the majority understands, changing power by force is not an option, the poor will become poorer, the rich richer. The question is gnawing at me, in Russia there is a Maidan, God forbid." Protesters "in a rage will come to such opponents of the current government and mistakenly burn I won't mention their cars, a house or a dacha about the assault, but you need to keep this in mind just in case. Where will they run with a shout: Strike! What is being done, help! You can continue to defend those who have taken up arms and are crushing Alma Ata. Now these are not protesters, they are bandits.

[Egoza]

Quote: Finches

There are many hidden Banderites from Ukraine on the site, and you are right!

And not only them, and not only on the site!
Coordination of protests in Kazakhstan comes from Ukraine. This follows from the appeal published by the fugitive Kazakh oligarch Mukhtar Ablyazov.

Today, January 5, a Kazakh opposition leader with a corruption-criminal train Mukhtar Ablyazov published an appeal to the participants in the riots on Facebook.

“We call for coordinating actions to protest and change Nazarbayev’s regime. We gather near the akimats. If we gather tens, hundreds of thousands of people, then the police will go over to the side of the people! " - says the agitation.
However, users noticed that the phone numbers, which Ablyazov suggests to contact, have the international code of Ukraine - +380, and 50 and 99 - the codes of the Ukrainian "Vodafon". Here are just a few comments from Ablyazov's subscribers:

“The numbers of“ Vatsap ”are Ukrainian. It is clear where the wind is blowing from. "
“It would seem, what does the Ukrainian phone numbers have to do with it.”
“We, Ukrainians, also demanded lower tariffs. Tariffs have only been growing over the years. Be careful, Kazakh brothers, watch your hands carefully! "
“Now, dear comrades, you can tell me that the protests in Kazakhstan - 'you don't understand, this is different!' Come on, tell me and the whole world how the authorities have bothered you and that these are purely intra-Kazakh showdowns, ”notes the TG channel of the Ukrainian social activist Tatiana Montyan.
Earlier, EADaily reported that the key Telegram channel coordinating the unrest in Kazakhstan was NEXTA, which is under the external control of the Polish special services and was previously used to coordinate the insurgency in Belarus.

[Xnumx vis]

Quote: tralflot1832

There are many on the site who want Russia to repeat the path of the Ukrainian and Kazakh Maidans, necessarily with the murder of our defenders.

They do not understand that they can be confiscated, as well as their children, not to mention the old sick parents who will turn out to be beggars, abandoned, in cold, plundered houses and apartments ... The stick has two ends. Both hit hard. Maybe break your head. But give them -RYvolution! Maidan! And they themselves hope to sit out in a quiet corner ... Grief will come to your family ...

[tralflot1832]

The grossiester has all the moves recorded! (not mine, but the topic).

[Nikolaevich I]

Quote: tralflot1832

Now these are not protesters, they are bandits.

Of course, of course! Insurgents, protesters can only be outside the country! Inside the country, these are necessarily bandits, terrorists! How else? And no discrepancy in moral standards! Just dotted over <i>!

[tralflot1832]

I picked up an armature, no longer a peaceful protester, but already a bandit. With all that it implies.

[Flooding]

Quote: tralflot1832

Judging by yesterday's minuses on the Kazakh topic, there are many on the site who want Russia to repeat the path of the Ukrainian and Kazakh Maidans

they have already stuck their tongues in deeper
the moment of fame and enthusiastic screams is over

[Overlock]

Quote: tralflot1832

Judging by yesterday's minuses to me on the Kazakh topic

Are you worried about the minus? You are not bringing a blizzard for them, either kissing Kadyrov, or suggesting the occupation of Kazakhstan. That would not cry, you "+"

[tralflot1832]

This nonsense on the minuses shows who rejoices in Kazakhstani grief.

[Overlock]

Quote: tralflot1832

This nonsense on the minuses shows who rejoices in Kazakhstani grief.

Why such a conclusion or are you the main Kazakh here?

[tralflot1832]

You don't have to be Kazakh, minus those who wanted this to happen in Russia. Do you of the same opinion, for the overthrow of the government in an unconstitutional way, sympathize with the rioters?

[Overlock]

Quote: tralflot1832

You don't have to be Kazakh, minus those who wanted this to happen in Russia. Do you of the same opinion, for the overthrow of the government in an unconstitutional way, sympathize with the rioters?

I am for the law for EVERYONE, especially for the Kremlin, and non-interference in the affairs of foreign states. And when other states invade someone else's territory, saving the wealth of their sidekick, this is no good.

[tralflot1832]

You go past the cashier, study the CSTO charter.

[Overlock]

Quote: tralflot1832

You go past the cashier, study the CSTO charter.

Let's look at you after a load of 200, although I'm sure your children are not there

[tralflot1832]

And yours too, my conscripts are already well over 30. You can clearly see that you are a little afraid of the cargo 200, forgetting that only contract soldiers serve in hot spots. , then do not be afraid to protect you, and so that you do not tell government structures. Your business is to pay taxes.

[Overlock]

Quote: tralflot1832

.Someone should defend the Motherland

Homeland is not Ukraine or Kazakhstan

[tralflot1832]

Who can weave Ukraine, in the topic of Kazakhstan. In what banknotes do we pay taxes?

[Finches]

I read, I read Overlock, and I understood that the US bases in other states are buzzing, and the Russian troops on their primordially Russian territory, there is a bad ... As somewhere here a kitty wrote to me, it’s a litigation!

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

I read, I read Overlock you and I understood that the US bases in other states, this is good,

You either put on a cross, or take off your panties: When necessary, you reproach the United States, and when it is profitable, give an example. Then tell me honestly, Russia is an imperialist state!
We remember V. Lenin:
1. Is there a concentration of production and monopoly? -There is
2. Are banks and their new role clear? - I understand
3. Is there financial capital and financial oligarchy? - Is there
4. Is there an export of capital? - What another!
5. Is there a division of the world between the capitalist unions? - is in full swing
6. The division of the world between the great powers - we are present at this.
In the end: argue with Lenin

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

Are you Overlock a Russian person? I am with pants and with a cross.

You are with the mindset of an imperialist, i.e. the most real

Quote: Finches

dollar, cover up shameful places!

Lenin was forgotten

[Finches]

And that's all you can say ??? But the fact that you dragged Lenin here only says that you are a sent Cossack - not our man! Lenin has absolutely nothing to do with it, Brzezinski - yes, Sharp, some sort of Butkevicius - absolutely yes!

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

here, what you dragged Lenin here only says that you are a sent Cossack - not our man!

Yes, I'm not yours, how are you - American! I am Russian and do not suffer from schizophrenia

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Dart2027

Do you want me to say that Crimea is ours? I won't tell you, ”said the communist.

No need to copy a phrase taken out of context. Is it weak to insert the full dialogue?
Are Rasteryaev's words weak to insert?
You little ones, traitors to the country and the people.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Are Rasteryaev's words weak to insert?

Well, give the full text ... If not weak.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Silvestr

Nobody touches the Russians there yet

sure?
have you been there for a long time?

[Dante Alighieri]

Nobody touches the Russians there yet, but after the introduction of the troops, they will have to leave the last

Quite right remark. Here the audience is just used to thinking tactically - from order to order, but strategically ... as the "classic" of world boxing said:

Today is tomorrow, not everyone can watch. Or rather, not only everyone can watch, not everyone can do it.

[Far B]

Russia began to form a peacekeeping contingent to be sent to Kazakhstan

It’s in vain, as for me. Well, the CSTO is not imprisoned for interference in the internal affairs of the member states. And the fact that Tokayev trumpets about terrorist bandits - so with any kipesh, everyone who is against him will automatically be enrolled in terrorist bandits. Well, they have trampled against the current government, and it doesn't matter that the government itself has pounded it, for which it gets the tinsel. Or did Tokayev provide evidence of foreign interference? Somehow I don't hear about this.
And to call the contingent "peacekeeping" in this case looks like hypocrisy. Something like that you can go so far as to call the invaders during the Civil War "peacekeepers". It's a shame for the guys - they have nowhere to go, the order must be followed. But in Kazakhstan they will definitely not be welcome.

[Finches]

Well no! There are a lot of radicals in the rebellious regions, there the kids from ISIS are joking around, so it's not in vain! It is bad that the leadership of Kazakhstan has driven to such a situation, but why? The policy of hidden Russophobia always leads to a coup d'etat!

[Romul_78]

So it was ISIS that doubled the price of gas?

[Finches]

The price was raised by the stupid government of Kazakhstan, which is very far from the people due to the clannishness of the republic, but it became a detonator so that the entire nationalist-terrorist rag-tag sponsored by the Anglo-Saxons would get out!

[Romul_78]

So why defend that stupid government? So that next time the price will be raised 4 times? ISIS is not ISIS, it is a pitchfork on the water, and to defend the oligarchic power is idiocy

[Finches]

In this case, Russia does not defend the government of Kazakhstan, but solves the geopolitical problem in its own interests! Using the legal right within the framework of the CSTO! The same thing should have been done in Ukraine, while it was part of the CIS, in 2014, but the annexation of Crimea partly solved this problem!

[Kittymoore]

The CSTO and the CIS are completely different organizations. Membership in one does not imply membership in the other.

Would you read at least ...

[Finches]

And you did not understand anything at all and let's be clever again! Just membership in the CIS, if you go through the heap of intergovernmental agreements, also made it possible to find a legally justified introduction of Russian troops into the territory of Ukraine - if this question, someone would be puzzled! As an example, our base in Transnistria ...

[Kittymoore]

I doubt you even opened this agreement. Anyway, any.

[Finches]

Did you open it? Well, educate! I read it with pleasure, otherwise you are only advocating, defending the interests of our geopolitical enemies!

[Kittymoore]

Well, yes, you say, but I must look for information to refute you. How convenient.

Let me remind you that the burden of proof lies with the approver. It is you who must prove your words.

[Finches]

They got rid of it! Okay, let me tell you - there is such a collective security treaty between the CIS member states, and it has been in effect since 1992! With all sorts of protocols to it!

[Kittymoore]

That's right, the organization of a collective security treaty. Abbreviated - CSTO.

You just amaze me :)))

What does the CIS have to do with it? xD

Are you aware that Ukraine was a member of the CIS, but was not a member of the CSTO? Just as an example.

[Finches]

I mean Thomas, and he’s about Eremu! Where they started, they came to that - I came to the conclusion that on the basis of the Collective Security Treaty, it was possible to find the reason that the coup d'etat in Ukraine poses a threat to the CSTO member states, and within the framework of intergovernmental agreements, Yanukovych could, like Tanaev, ask for military assistance, as a CIS member state from the CSTO member states! For example, Belarus!

[Kittymoore]

Eh, Zyablitsev.

The main task of the CSTO is to protect territorial integrity and sovereignty.
Pay attention, even the Kazakh prince came up with the idea that it was not his local Kazakhs who were fighting with him, but some basurmans who had arrived from Nibiru. And so, within the framework of protection from the "invasion" of the CSTO, the soldier sends there.

As for Ukraine, I will disappoint you.
1. She had to be a member of the CSTO, otherwise there is no way.
2. If Russia had decided to firmly follow the letter of the treaty, it would have been forced, together with the Armed Forces of Ukraine, to destroy the Donbass militia, because the militias, being separatists, violated the territorial integrity of Ukraine, which means that Ukraine (if it was a member of the CSTO) would have every right to request the help of green men in putting things in order.

Can you imagine the picture? :)

[Finches]

Come on! There is a whole bunch of protocols and you can always find a legal basis! As an example, Kazakhstan today is terrorism! And the CSTO is imprisoned, among other things, for the fight against this infection!

[Kittymoore]

Terrorism is because you write first and read later. They are called terrorists by the TV, where you get the information from.
Kazakh Bey speaks of "fighters trained in foreign camps." He talks about "INVASION". Help is on this line.

He simply cannot say: "My security forces fled and I won't sit on the throne without the Russians."

“You can always find” - no agreements prevented the return of Crimea. The point is not in legal casuistry, but in the willingness to use force, plus the consequences of these efforts.

[Finches]

OK! How do you know that there are no "militants" there? For example, "peaceful Protestants" smashed the office of the MIR TV channel, but did not touch the office of Radio Free Europe / Liberty - why so, what kind of selectivity? But isn't this act of vandalism terrorism? And it was committed by unprepared (by someone) militants, since such selectivity?

[Kittymoore]

Relax already with this Europe.
With a 90% probability, there was a common internecine conflict, as a result of which Nazarbayev, his government and his security forces lost power. There is now a new khan in Kazakhstan.

With the CSTO, he was mistaken of course (too scared), but he turned everything right.

There is no preparation there, this morning shows it. Where is the resistance, where are your gunmen with machine guns? Empty.

[Finches]

If the troops are brought in, then someone needs it! Otherwise, militants with machine guns will appear, as in Ukraine! And we also have Baikonur there ... In the end, Russia needs our khan to sit in Kazakhstan, and not an Anglo-Saxon ataman, as again in Ukraine!

[Kittymoore]

There is a compromise figure.
Kazakhstan is a joint colony of Russia, China and the West. I think that general agreement was obtained and Russia acted as a gendarme, who did not allow the mutually beneficial business of respected people to be destroyed.

So all is well, take it easy already. Fed up with these militants. Forget it.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Finches

Using the legal right within the framework of the CSTO!

What right?
Enough slogans, give specific documents that Russia has the right to interfere in the internal affairs of a sovereign country, a member of the CSTO.

[tralflot1832]

Was the request from Tokayev, the head of the sovereign state of Kazakhstan? Was the request discussed with the heads of government of the CSTO, under the leadership of Pashinyan? Have you read the charter of the CSTO peacekeeping forces? What is the reason why we cannot bring our units into Kazakhstan? Or do you want to?

[Bez 310]

Quote: tralflot1832

What is the reason why we cannot bring our units into Kazakhstan?

There was no attack on Kazakhstan from OUTSIDE, everything that happens in Kazakhstan is an internal affair of Kazakhstan, not the CSTO.
The CSTO peacekeeping forces are not a police apparatus for resolving political issues within a single country.
Yes, you yourself know that very well ...

[NDR-791]

Quote: Bez 310

everything that happens in Kazakhstan is an internal affair of Kazakhstan, not the CSTO.

I do not know where you personally live, but my family is 10 km from the border with Kazakhstan. So I really want to be sure that everything is calm at hand, and therefore let it be as already decided.

[Soldatov V.]

Unfortunately for intellectuals there is such a sense of unconscious security. Kazakhstan, which left the USSR (Russia), is a tribal state in spite of its outward Caucasian appearance. This is the real underbelly of Russia. There is more of our land than in Ukraine. Many Kazakhs understand that they are finished without Russia. Only showdowns within the clans are worth what. Russia does not prevent them from living the way they want, like the Chukchi, the Buryats, the Chechens. We must do as we need for the security of Russia and the tribes surrounding Russia.

[Bez 310]

Quote: Finches

And so I'll explain a little to you

Stop it!
I already wrote everything above - no one attacked Kazakhstan, everything that happened is an internal affair of a sovereign country, and we should not interfere. Everything else is propaganda wrapper.

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Bez 310

I already wrote everything above - no one attacked Kazakhstan, everything that happened is an internal affair of a sovereign country, and we should not interfere. Everything else is propaganda wrapper.

Nobody attacked, like in Ukraine. But the result is obvious - a Russophobic state ruled by the "West".
You have already been told above what these internal affairs are. Then, after a while, when they begin to build a Russophobic state with all the consequences, you will say that our government is bad, that it did not react in time.

[Bez 310]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

Nobody attacked

I see no point in discussing the decision that has been made and is being implemented.

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

a nationalist-terrorist rag-tag sponsored by the Anglo-Saxons!

I would like to confirm your delirium with Korotchenko

[Finches]

So after all, "delirium" does not need confirmation, just as you never need the truth! You all the time "against" and calmly call white black, and black white!

[Vasia]

Quote: Finches

The price was raised by the stupid government of Kazakhstan,

The market raised the prices because the stupid government allowed gas to be sold inside the exchange and did not freeze prices. And domestic players, most of which are owned by American companies, contributed to this and happily rubbed their hands. Of course, this was not the reason for the organized riots, but it served as a good reason, which the organizers used to legitimize their actions, hiding behind the just protest of a certain part of society and interning with it.

[Finches]

These are details already having a distant relationship to the development of riots today!

[Vasia]

Quote: Finches

These are details already having a distant relationship to the development of riots today!

I agree, you just wrote above in this thread about "The price was raised by the stupid government of Kazakhstan," I clarified this point.

[Vasia]

Quote: Vasia

interning

integrating, of course (for some reason, VO does not know such a word)

[Rubi0]

What is stupid, selling resources on the stock exchange is a European practice, but state regulation is socialism, which leads to such sad consequences.

[Vasia]

Quote: Rubi0

What is stupid, selling resources on the stock exchange is a European practice, but state regulation is socialism, which leads to such sad consequences.

I almost was rude, you can't write such nonsense, we're not here in kindergarten
At first, state regulation exists even in the most developed countries of capitalism and it does not contradict stock exchange activity in any way. Recent examples: the issuance of subsidies to residents of Norway in connection with the energy crisis, the payment of money in the United States to citizens in connection with the pandemic (it’s easier for them, printed it out), freezing gas prices until the end of 2022 and paying "inflation compensation" for € 100 to the poor in France, ... Who prevented the government of Kazakhstan from freezing gas prices, providing subsidies to the least protected segments of the population, and taking other actions?
Secondly, socialism does not lead to "such sad consequences", the degeneration of the elites leads to such sad consequences, but this is a completely different story.

[Rubi0]

This is all a consequence of a pandemic when people were locked up and which happens once every 100 years. Won Saudi Arabia also regulated gasoline for the people, before the first crisis and oil by 40, immediately blown away. So state regulation is a road to nowhere, but this does not cancel the work of antimonopoly authorities and, in general, the social policy of the state.

[Vasia]

The gas crisis in Europe has nothing to do with the pandemic. Its reason was the decision of the European Commission to switch to exchange gas trading instead of long-term contracts., as well as the "green pact" and other carbon-free themes. Please do not write nonsense, I asked. Can't you see yourself contradicting yourself?

[Rubi0]

No, I don’t see. Because it was government regulation that led to such a situation, people should understand that when there is 2000 gas in the world market, as you cite the example of Europe, then inside one small but very proud country it cannot cost 1 dollar, even with a growing 2-fold consumption inside country, which has to be satisfied just at the expense of the global market. As a result, the budget was overstrained, everyone wanted Bo to drive on cheap gas, I will emphasize everything, and the non-socially unprotected layers you care about.

[Vasia]

I understand you, thank you, Happy Holidays! (if relevant)

[Dmitry V.]

Quote: Vasia

And domestic players, most of which are owned by American companies, contributed to this and happily rubbed their hands.

Why is that? There, Nazarbayev's son-in-law also owns a company that supplies LPG to the domestic market through a Singapore offshore. Moreover, foreign companies did not undertake to sell LPG on the domestic market at a fixed price.

Control over oil and gas in Kazakhstan belongs to the family of Nursultan Nazarbayev: this is the husband of his middle daughter Timur Kulibayev, this is the alleged husband of the eldest daughter of Nazarbayev Dariga Kairat Sharipbayev "

https://www.currenttime.tv/a/31639320.html

And the fables about terrorists are nonsense.
The Kazakhs got hold of the Nazarbayev clan - which took possession of the non-gas complex of Kazakhstan and raised prices - this is closer to the truth.

[Finches]

The same posters were in Ukraine, and everywhere else - the Yanukovych clan got tired, but the Biden clan (Democrat) - Trump (Republican) or the English Elizabeth clan didn't bother anyone .... Clowns!

[Earnest]

Stupid

the government raised the price to 20 rubles for our tugriks? And nothing, that in Orenburg, for example, 27 rubles? What kind of government do we have then ??

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

The price was raised by the stupid government of Kazakhstan, which is very far from the people due to the clannishness of the republic

What clans! The government was fully accountable to Nazarbayev; all shares in the country's oil and gas sector were controlled by his son-in-law. So who raised the prices?

[valera75]

It was like an excuse or a trigger for radicals. Or ordinary angry people are destroying everything and killing law enforcers? would chaos set in for my children in my country and I sat down for life? Well, turn on your head at least sometimes, if you are not a bot from a Ukrainian farm.

[Romul_78]

I do not know what you will do, perhaps you are a valuable rare specialist, favored by life, but most are not like that. No one wants such actions, but revolutions always suit the authorities with their actions. If the government acted for the good of the people, surely someone would have protested, but they are doing something completely different and what should people do in such a situation? Accept? And then again and again? And then die of hunger if only there was no war? Is this logic yours?

[Rubi0]

Are you familiar with the concept of a quiet Italian strike? Or your protests are immediately associations with robberies, fires and guts through the streets?

[Romul_78]

We even banned trade unions, what kind of strike are you talking about?

[Rubi0]

From the answer it is clear that the concept of the Italian strike does not tell you anything. That's why we live in shit, robbery and moroder

[just exp]

No, the price was raised by the director of one plant, which, lo and behold, turns out to be American possession.

[Rusticolus]

No, the price was raised by the director of one plant, which, lo and behold, turns out to be American possession.

And mind you, neither this plant, nor its management and their assets, nor anyone even touched a finger! Some have raised the price, but completely different ones take the rap for them.

[Kittymoore]

The state refused state regulation and decided on the market right there. What does a specific plant have to do with it?
Are you aware that in our country, for example, the state regulates prices for basic food? Imagine if there will be buckwheat for 200 rubles. What will happen?

[Rusticolus]

That is, again, he decided on the market, but he has nothing to do with it? If the buckwheat barons raise the price because the state has not forbidden them to do so, then it is quite logical to rob them, and not someone else. Or are you going to rob an iPhone store in response to the rise in prices for buckwheat?
Although ... Considering that in Kazakhstan, the owners of the iPhone stores who have raised the price of fuel and represent the same beneficiaries, the reciprocal robbery of the iPhone store is even more logical than what is happening there now. Everyone knows that the popular revolt is merciless. And here he is, well, too selective, to the extent quite the opposite. Rob those who are not involved, help the guilty.

[Kittymoore]

The crowd cannot come to a private trader and force him to put the price it wants.
This is the same chaos as robbing a store with iPhones.
The state is a regulator. It should solve such questions. What did it do? Withdrew. Consequently, the claims against him are fully justified.

Remember how recently our state introduced new protective duties on the same sunflower oil.

This is the market, understand. The problem with poor countries (and we are one of them) is that it’s not profitable to sell anything at all.
Therefore, either the state is engaged in regulation, or there will not even be bread and potatoes in stores (in China or in the West it is more profitable to sell them than in our country).

At the expense of logic: how do you rob that? Will you steal the pipe or what?

[Pravodel]

What kind of rot and evil spirits are these liberal ...
Dear Romul_78, there is no need to cast a shadow over the fence and confuse cause and effect. Do not pretend to be an incomprehensible fool: Maidans do not happen so suddenly, but purposefully prepare and choose the time for their launch.
You will not be able to hide the action of the Turkish and British agents = Anglo-Saxons, rocking the situation in Central Asia, behind loud endless questions about corruption, gas, theft.
Another Maidan in the post-Soviet space near the borders of Russia is an attempt to transform the states that were part of the USSR into an anti-Russian Ukraine with an animal grin of Russophobia ..

[Romul_78]

Maidans take place where there are grounds. In a prosperous society, it is impossible

[bober1982]

Quote: Romul_78

Maidans take place where there are grounds. In a prosperous society, it is impossible

In my opinion, the so-called society cannot be prosperous in principle, in our country, in the West, or in Asian states.
Riots occur where the government is inactive and where the army and special services are weak.

[Romul_78]

But in this you are wrong

[bober1982]

Quote: Romul_78

But in this you are wrong

Well, well, we will each stay with his own opinion.
Happy Christmas Eve! Let's hope for the grace of God and for the special forces of the Russian Airborne Forces.
And all will be well.

[Dart2027]

An example of a society where everyone will be happy with everything?

[IGOR GORDEEV]

Quote: Dart2027

An example of a society where everyone will be happy with everything?

Let me answer for your opponent - it won't. And you can shake up the situation with technology in any country.

[Dart2027]

Quote: IGOR GORDEEV

e will be. And you can shake up the situation with technology in any country.

This is what I mean. And by the way, the opponent knows this very well, that's why he is silent.

[hydrox]

While everything is going smoothly: Belarus straightened up, but Moldova weakened, Russia ran out of managers (there were never any of them in this bunch) - the population brought down the power rating against the background of impoverishment, but the Anglo-Saxons are good at tracking the reasons and manipulate the means - they are great masters of this. learned over the centuries.

[Overlock]

Quote: hydrox

Belarus straightened

Laughing - lay on the budget of the Russian Federation

[gjkrjdybr50]

They raised the price not for gas at all, but for gas for refueling a car. As M. Antoinette said: "No bread, eat cakes!", Refuel with gasoline. Gasoline from Kazakhs is 2 times cheaper than from us.
I am quite in solidarity with Zyablitsev, but I suggest that he not argue with various "pirates" such as Nikolaevich I, Romul, Silvestr and others. In real life, they cannot attach their complexes, so they throw them out on those who adequately perceive the situation, and of course some of them are TsIPsohniki, they are offended that only they have a mess in the country, so they help the underdeveloped of all countries.

[rotfuks]

in Kyrgyzstan, similar processes have been going on for many years. And the authorities are crushed there every two years.

[Serg65]

Quote: rotfuks

in Kyrgyzstan, similar processes have been going on for many years. And the authorities are crushed there every two years.

And how did this help the Kyrgyz?

[rotfuks]

they say that Kyrgyzstan will soon become a small Switzerland. Now Kazakh Switzerland is on its way.

[gjkrjdybr50]

Has Ukraine already become "Tse Europa"?

[Pravodel]

Not only

The policy of hidden Russophobia

, but also an attempt to multi-vector. In Kazakhstan, democratic funds are in full swing, educating the population, under the cover of which the Turkish intelligence works - read the intelligence of the British = Anglo-Saxons, who are excellent at working in the east.
Amenikans in the Maidan in Kazakhstan, if they do participate, then indirectly: they do not understand anything in Central and Central Asia, but it is the British who perfectly understand everything, for whom Central and Central Asia have always been a springboard for the formation of threats to Russia. It is enough to remember great game or Basmachism, which lasted until 40, and ended with the beginning of the Battle of Britain.

[New Year day]

Quote: Finches

There are a lot of radicals in the rebellious regions, there the kids from ISIS are joking around

Enough to carry nonsense from Korotchenko.

[Finches]

One fits in for Solovyov, the other for Korotchenkov, whom I hate ... Have you been to Kazakhstan? And I was!

[hydrox]

It’s not enough, my friend, we must also SEE: after all, the situations in Kazakhstan and in Russia differ slightly, but the structure of protests in Kazakhstan has gone further than in our country - after all, the people there are hotter than in Russia and they don’t translate us into the Latin alphabet.

[Finches]

This is all a consequence! The main thing is to see the reason! And it is very simple - if you ask the question, who benefits from it? Then everything immediately falls into place!

[hydrox]

So after all, the consequences are the same!
It makes no difference to them what price to raise the people for, the main thing is to raise it IN CHAOS.

[Dante Alighieri]

This is all a consequence! The main thing is to see the reason! And it is very simple - if you ask the question, who benefits from it? Then everything immediately falls into place!

I would venture to suggest what is beneficial to Evgeny Zyablintsev. Judge for yourself that the post-New Year's silence and boredom, then suddenly such a reason for discussion. Well, why not? As a hypothesis, it is quite a working hypothesis.
Resolved, urgently Evgeniya in development

[Dante Alighieri]

Well, at least there is a sense of humor - it's not bad.

My favorite moderators have already taken me into development

Ooooh it will be more serious than the FSB, more than one has left Anastasia's Tuman)))

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

And I was!

Have you arrived on a night flight? Tell us firsthand

[Finches]

Seryozha! All I wanted to say, I said! Not at night, during the day ... And the events in Almaty bother me very much about working moments! And yes, down there you called me a coward, it’s empty and it’s not up to you to decide, but still don’t get personal - I don’t like that!

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

And the events in Almaty are also very worrisome for me in terms of working moments!

I'm not happy either

Quote: Finches

And yes, down there you called me a coward, it’s empty and it’s not up to you to decide, but still don’t get personal - I don’t like that!

Then there is no need to be measured with someone else's blood

[gjkrjdybr50]

Silvestr, delusions of majesty? You have toy, sofa shoulder straps.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: gjkrjdybr50

You have toy, sofa shoulder straps.

They all here are like that. Does it bother you?

[gjkrjdybr50]

Ingvar 72

They all here are like that. Does it bother you?

Yes, I am worried, I have them real, not "marshal" of course, but real. Just pretending to be a luminary and a specialist, knowing that you will not go under the bullets, this is just rudeness.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: gjkrjdybr50

Just pretend to be a luminary and a specialist, knowing that you won't go under the bullets,

Sylvester is a doctor, surgeon with 40 years of experience. And I think it’s not for you to reproach him with epaulettes, for he will grab at his post without bullets.

[gjkrjdybr50]

Quote: Ingvar 72

surgeon with 40 experience

So let him talk about the hardships and hardships of the surgical service on his professional website, and not advise me, a soldier with 39,5 years of experience, how to serve in the army and defend the Motherland.

[yuriy55]

Quote: Finches

Well no! There are a lot of radicals in the rebellious regions, there the kids from ISIS are joking around,

What treaty (article) of the CSTO stipulates the introduction of troops of the CSTO member states into the territory of another state? We are urged to fulfill article 4 of the treaty, and it sounds like this:

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Article 4
If one of the participating States subject to aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty), then this will be considered by the participating States as aggression (an armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) against all states parties to this Treaty.


In the event of an aggression (armed attack threatening security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty) against any of the participating States, all other participating States, at the request of this participating State, will immediately provide it with the necessary assistance, including military, as well as provide support to those in their disposal of funds in order to exercise the right to collective defense in accordance with Article 51 of the UN Charter.


The participating States shall immediately notify the United Nations Security Council of measures taken pursuant to this article. In implementing these measures, the participating States will adhere to the relevant provisions of the UN Charter.

(Article as amended as of December 19, 2012 by the International Protocol of December 10, 2010. - See previous version)

And now let's see what aggression is according to the definition of the UN, signed by the Russian Federation, including:

Article 1
Aggression is the use of armed force the state against sovereignty, territorial inviolability or political independence another state or in any other way inconsistent with the Charter of the United Nations as defined in this definition.

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Explain which state attacked Kazakhstan?
It was in the conflict between Armenia and Azerbaijan that it was necessary to scratch a turnip ... Something is often washed away by other people's mistakes with the blood of Russian soldiers. We have already learned what a thankless task it is.

[Finches]

There is such a word - it is necessary! The Kremlin's official message says clearly and understandably -
In connection with the appeal of the President of the Republic of Kazakhstan Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev and in view of the threat to national security and the sovereignty of the Republic of Kazakhstan, caused by, inter alia, outside interferenceThe CSTO Collective Security Council, in accordance with Article 4 of the Collective Security Treaty, decided to send the CSTO Collective Peacekeeping Forces to the Republic of Kazakhstan for a limited time period in order to stabilize and normalize the situation in this country!

I think that from the Kremlin you can see better than from your and my apartment!

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

There is such a word - it is necessary!

For "must", after all, an answer will arrive, since "must" is a wishlist, not a law

[Finches]

Whose mill are you pouring water into, Overlock !?

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

Whose mill are you pouring water into, Overlock !?

on the Law for all and reason. You can't wait to shed Russian blood

[Finches]

Apparently you .... Your blood is not enough: Karabakh, Osh, Fergana, Abkhazia, Transnistria, Chechnya, Ossetia, Odessa ... And all your defeatism is to please the Anglo-Saxons!

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

Apparently you ... You don't have enough blood: Karabakh, Osh, Fergana, Abkhazia, Transnistria, Chechnya, Ossetia, Odessa ...

It's not enough blood for you

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

I know better than you about blood ...

With what fright, soldier? Have you been with me for 40 years?

Quote: Finches

So I ate holding back until I was banned again!

Coward. We are afraid to answer for our words.

[Finches]

Thank God, I was not next to you! There were men standing next to me, and of different nationalities, but they did not betray Russia! Even in the comments!

[Edik]

Quote: Finches

Why don't the moderators ban the enemies of the Russian world ?? Banning may not be necessary, but there should be justice! Now I can't tell you anything from the bottom of my heart - they will erase me right there, but you can spread Anglo-Saxon propaganda here!

Eugene is called pluralism opinions that have been implemented
the administration you know when

[Finches]

I remember about one pluralism of opinion ... Even the whole country eventually collapsed!

[Mikhail Sidorov]

You compare our peacekeepers with civil interventionists it happens ... when the New Year is not yet out ...

[Black_Vatnik]

And the fact that Tokayev trumpets about terrorist bandits - so with any kipesh, everyone who is against him will automatically be enrolled in terrorist bandits. Well, they have trampled against the current government, and it doesn't matter that the government itself has pounded it, for which it gets the tinsel. Or did Tokayev provide evidence of foreign interference? Somehow I don't hear about this.

As if by the way, the protesters are smashing the admin. buildings, they burn ambulances and kill security officials (at the time of yesterday evening there were 5 victims among security officials). Do you think this is done by peaceful Protestants thirsty for democracy? What else can you call them, if not bandits?

[Romul_78]

Civil war, it's not the business of the people of Russia to fit in with the rotten oligarchic elite

[Sidor Amenpodestovich]

Quote: Romul_78

Civil war, it's not the business of the people of Russia to fit in with the rotten oligarchic elite

CSTO forces are not involved in establishing order, but in the protection of military infrastructure and other facilities - local security officials will deal with the gangs themselves, told RIA Novosti the head of the Duma committee for the CIS Kalashnikov

[Romul_78]

The CSTO has no right to interfere, since there was no attack by one state on another, and this, according to the interpretation of the UN, is aggression.

[hydrox]

And what, our liberoid top is fresh, green and fluffy and you like it more?
Only the same reasons for some reason lead to the same consequences - or do you think that in Russia all the splendor of the media leads to the well-being of the people ??
The ideological basis for the functioning of the state is not just rotten, it does not exist at all _ that is why
feudalism!!

[Romul_78]

They are of the same berry field

[Rusticolus]

They are not even bandits. As it is suspiciously, they do not touch at all those who raised the prices. They do not rob the gas stations at which the price has been raised, do not kill their management. It seems that who is who and these first had to fall under the distribution. But the strange thing is that everyone gets caught up in the distribution but not them. So maybe the initiators of the price hike and the organizers of the pogroms are the same people. And these are clearly not the Kazakh authorities.

[MikhailRus]

These are internal affairs.

[Egoza]

Quote: MikhailRus

These are internal affairs.

Yes Yes. They also said so about Ukraine. Now the Nazis are close to Russia and sabotage groups for some reason are being caught.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Egoza

Yes Yes. They said so about Ukraine too

Elena, how do you feel about the intervention of the Entente during the Civil War?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Ingvar 72

how do you feel about the intervention of the Entente during the Civil War

How do you feel about the international debt of the USSR?

[karish]

Quote: Dart2027

How do you feel about the international debt of the USSR?

Debt to whom? How did you decide that someone owes someone?
Oligarchs will always find a reason for solving their personal interests - and such as international debt, the coolest, only who would explain - whose debt, to whom, why and why debt?

[Dart2027]

Quote: karish

I owe someone

I don’t know, so I’m asking, but when I was a schoolboy and lived in the USSR, they often talked about him.

[Normal]

Quote: Dart2027

How do you feel about the international debt of the USSR?

As well as to any other attempt to dissolve me and impose on me false ideas about the causes and consequences of what is happening.
There is not and cannot be any "international debt".
There are two types of debt: debt to parents and debt of honor. I DO NOT OWN ANYTHING to anyone, neither an Avgan, nor an African, nor a Kazakh.

[Dart2027]

And why does an ardent communist not want to answer?

Quote: Normal

I DO NOT OWN ANYTHING to anyone, neither an Avgan, nor an African, nor a Kazakh.

Yes to health. But there are also the interests of their state.

[Normal]

Quote: Dart2027

But there are also the interests of their state.

The interests of the temporary in power are not yet the interests of the state.
Have a nice one you too.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Normal

The interests of the temporary in power are not yet the interests of the state.

It was already. All traitors always shout that they are only against the state.

[Normal]

Quote: Dart2027

It was already. All traitors always shout that they are only against the state.

No, disrespectful liar and troll, I am not against the interests of the state. I am against liars and demagogues, even if they supposedly protect and support this state.
Do not hide behind the state.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Normal

No, disrespectful liar and troll

You are against the Motherland and the State, but you hide behind beautiful words.

[Normal]

Quote: Dart2027

You are against the Motherland and the State

Well, I know a horse, if there are horns.

Quote: Dart2027

but hide behind beautiful words.

It is you who hide behind the beautiful words "Motherland", "State", and I am behind the beautiful words (by the way, can you give a quote from my beloved that contains "beautiful words"?)
I'm not hiding.
So you lied again.
Well, okay, that's enough, otherwise you will burst from such feeding and smear all around with fat.
More with you, since you are a troll and your statements are not worthy of attention, I do not communicate.
Farewell.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Normal

Well, I know a horse, if there are horns.

We've already seen wolves in sheep's clothing.

Quote: Normal

So you lied again.

True eyes hurts?

Quote: Normal

Well, okay, that's enough, otherwise you will burst from such feeding and smear all around with fat.
More with you, since you are a troll and your statements are not worthy of attention, I do not communicate.
Farewell.

Once again?

[hydrox]

But actually, what's the matter?
In Ukraine, thousands of bayonets of Anglo-Saxon, French and other instructors, PMCs and other professionals have now been collected, and there have never been any agreements on a military alliance.
The whole question is: will they have time to escape if a turmoil begins with the participation of Russia?

[gjkrjdybr50]

Quote: Ingvar 72

how do you feel about the intervention of the Entente during the Civil War?

Do not confuse ...... with a finger. No need to juggle, it is ugly, although the shoulder straps are sofa, but even they need to be respected.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: gjkrjdybr50

Don't be confused ......

Horseradish? This word is not prohibited on the site.
In terms of intervention, I will find you more similarities than differences. Want to argue?

[gjkrjdybr50]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Want to argue?

No I do not want to. With demagogues and fanfare, I prefer not to mess with. Such people cannot be argued or changed (not convinced).

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: gjkrjdybr50

Such people cannot be argued or changed (not convinced).

Why, I don’t argue with logic. Another conversation when the opponent does not have it ...

[gjkrjdybr50]

Quote: Ingvar 72

I do not argue with logic. Another conversation when the opponent does not have it ...

Are you saying that your argument with your opponents is logic? Don't tell my sneakers! Typical demagoguery and fanfare. Logic did not spend the night there. There are only complexes, and, moreover, not implemented. And this is what infuriates you, deserves more and .... zilch! This is why you tear up certain parts of the body, trying to prove your meaning.
You have to be simpler, and people will reach out to you!

[MikhailRus]

This must be said to our blind and cowardly authorities.
Question. How will you react if, if something happens, a contingent of Germans and French will be brought into our country?

[Dart2027]

Quote: MikhailRus

How will you react if, if something happens, a contingent of Germans and French will be brought into our country?

How will you react if a terrorist-criminal riot, funded and controlled by the United States, starts in our country?

[Normal]

Quote: Dart2027

How will you react if a terrorist-criminal riot starts in our country,

I will send the one who declares this into the bright distance, for:
a "criminal terrorist riot" can only take place in a prison.
At large, criminals and terrorists do not riot, but are engaged in criminally punishable acts and terrorist activities.
No terrorism, in its classical definition, is observed in anti-government speeches.
A petty crime? Incidental manifestations and this is not serious in the general political context.
Congratulations to you, Mr. liar.

funded and controlled by the US?

Proofs, please.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Normal

a "criminal terrorist riot" can only take place in a prison.

That is, apart from nit-picking words, there is nothing to object.

Quote: Normal

No terrorism, in its classical definition, is observed in anti-government speeches.

Okay, so what definition do we take as a basis? Outline.

Quote: Normal

Proofs, please.

The EU urged the Kazakh authorities to respect the right to peaceful protest
https://russian.rt.com/world/news/945885-evropa-kazahstan-pravo-protest
Your masters are in their repertoire.

[Normal]

Quote: Dart2027

Your masters are in their repertoire.

Petty, powerless filthiness and nothing more. It's even boring.

Quote: Dart2027

The EU urged the Kazakh authorities to respect the right to peaceful protest https://russian.rt.com/world/news/945885-evropa-kazahstan-pravo-protest

Well yes, of course it's the same

Quote: Dart2027

US funded and controlled riot

same. Yeah.

Quote: Dart2027

Okay, so what definition do we take as a basis? Outline.

If we discard everything politically motivated "attached" to the term "terrorism" then there is only one word left - intimidation. To be more precise, intimidation with the help of systemic violence ("red terror"), as a rule, by the authorities in relation to the population, or one-time actions (explosions, political killings, seizure and hostages, etc.) by radical organizations in relation to the authorities.
What kind of terrorism do you see in Kazakhstan?

Quote: Dart2027

That is, apart from nitpicking the words, there is nothing to object

You lied, and when you are caught in a lie, declare some kind of nagging about the words. Not to words and not nagging, but a direct indication of your lies, substitution of concepts and an attempt to mislead others.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Normal

Petty, powerless filthiness and nothing more.

What else are you capable of?

Quote: Normal

Well yes, of course it's the same

That is, there is nothing to argue.

Quote: Normal

What kind of terrorism do you see in Kazakhstan?

Looting, arson and murder.

Quote: Normal

You lied, and when you are caught in a lie, declare some kind of nagging about the words.

Because you cannot say anything except them.

[Normal]

Quote: Dart2027

What else are you capable of?

First grade idiotism for W.O.
Do not forget to eat the nozzle.

Quote: Dart2027

That is, there is nothing to argue.

Problems with the perception of the text?
Try something simpler like "ma-ma we-la ra-mu".

Quote: Dart2027

Looting, arson and murder.

Just robbery, arson and murder.
Can you prove the political motivation and organization of these actions?

Quote: Dart2027

Because you cannot say anything except them.

Did you understand what you said?
In general, I think you are quite fat. I am stopping your feeding.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Normal

First grade idiotism for W.O.

That you are self-critical.

Quote: Normal

Problems with the perception of the text?

You do not know.

Quote: Normal

Can you prove the political motivation and organization of these actions?

Given their political demands, this is a strange question - they themselves shout about it.

Quote: Normal

Did you understand what you said?

Are you having a problem with that?

[gjkrjdybr50]

Normal - abnormal, why should the interlocutors be rude? Or is it in the manual: "You can't answer, go to" you "and fuck the interlocutor"?

[Normal]

Quote: gjkrjdybr50

to be rude to the interlocutors why?

Sorry, I got excited.

But you, that's another matter entirely.
You, apparently, can. -

Quote: gjkrjdybr50

Normal is abnormal

[gjkrjdybr50]

But you started, didn't you? In your opinion, you should have apologized before you or should have used polite in communication with you? Normal reaction to your rudeness.

[Normal]

Quote: gjkrjdybr50

But you started, didn't you?

Kindergarten - trousers with a shoulder strap - "And he is the first-you-and-and-th start-a-a-al!"

I started, but not with you.
You got into someone else's conversation and yourself became the first rude, since I did not communicate with you, and you started communicating with rudeness.
Therefore, I no longer communicate with you.
Farewell.

[gjkrjdybr50]

Class! Those. the answer to the comment about rudeness in the style of "Dyrak himself!"? Quite in the logic of the sofa major general. Goodbye and take care of yourself, bile does not pass home without leaving a trace for health, I don't really want to communicate with mankurt and boors!

[Overlock]

Quote: Dart2027

if a terrorist-criminal riot, funded and controlled by the United States, starts in our country?

But what about our FSB and FSO! Do they eat bread for nothing? Or don't you believe them?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Overlock

Or don't you believe them?

I believe, but since the "comrade" has begun to theorize, why not continue.

[MikhailRus]

Oh how. And you will surely have XNUMX% proof of this? And what can be called the actions of the party in power and other bureaucrats? Soft population decline?

[Dart2027]

Quote: MikhailRus

Oh how. And you will surely have XNUMX% proof of this?

That is, there are no objections?
And, by the way, what kind of "XNUMX% proof" of the fact that there is a "popular protest" in Kazakhstan?

[MikhailRus]

Why should I prove it? You drown for input, so prove it. And if you support me so warmly, run to the recruiting station.

[Dart2027]

Quote: MikhailRus

Why should I prove it?

Well, it’s you, in response to my theoretical reasoning about what could have been in Russia, demanded proof of what, in principle, was not.

Quote: MikhailRus

You drown for input, so prove it.

Quote: Dart2027

The EU urged the Kazakh authorities to respect the right to peaceful protest
https://russian.rt.com/world/news/945885-evropa-kazahstan-pravo-protest
Your masters are in their repertoire.

[Overlock]

Quote: Black_Jacket

protesters smash admin. buildings, burn ambulances and kill security forces

And what about the siloviks, were they confused or did not want to? Or maybe they expect someone else to do their job, but they are white and fluffy?

[Kittymoore]

There will be nothing. It's just that the caps there don't want to fight for their khan. Perhaps they think that he will not win and do not want to have problems with the "new" government.

The foreign contingent will solve this moral problem (we will not be thrown), which will return the doubters to the system and allow us to win.

I deeply doubt that even the Kremlin will consent to the participation of its troops in the database. Should this happen, Russian will become synonymous with the word "occupier". Why generate such hatred out of nothing? They should have drawn conclusions based on the example of Czechs and Hungarians.

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

And who represents the "new power" there? Marauders?
So far, only one fugitive oligarch, who is now sitting in Kiev, spoke. Does he want to enter the presidential throne over the corpses of Kazakhs?

[Kittymoore]

What's the difference then? If the rebellion succeeds, it turns into a victory for the people; if it loses, it becomes a failed fifth column putsch.

Do you think that the current Kazakh bey, who has been sitting next to the former khan all his life, is worried about the Kazakhs? There is no good owner, believe me.

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

"A thin world is better than a good quarrel." Under him, even though there was power and order. And now robberies, marauders. Even grandfather Lenin bequeathed: "station - post-telegraph". After that, a new government appeared in the city, and they began to shoot bandits and looters on the spot. Ensure the functioning of the city's infrastructure. Here, except for the people dragging everything from the shops, we do not see others. They even burned down their mayor's office.

[Kittymoore]

It's always like this, it's okay.

[Serg65]

Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_8

one fugitive oligarch who is now sitting in Kiev

In Paris, he was going to fly to his new headquarters - Almaty, and then they are going to introduce some peacekeepers ... he decided to wait!

[Humpty]

Quote: Serg65

Quote: Dmitry Ivanov_8

one fugitive oligarch who is now sitting in Kiev

In Paris, he was going to fly to his new headquarters - Almaty, and then they are going to introduce some peacekeepers ... he decided to wait!

Is this the one who, according to the Kyrgyz passport, is Osmonov?

[Serg65]

Yes, yes .... Citizen of the World!

[Kittymoore]

Tomorrow Solovyov will declare you a bandit and a terrorist, and again I will harness for you, while the others will demand "to shoot like mad dogs."
Include empathy.

[Finches]

What does Solovyov have to do with it? I basically don't watch it, it freezes me out In this case, Russia must defend its state interests in Kazakhstan in the first place, even if one of the pogromists is accidentally destroyed like a terrorist ... History will forgive Russia, but if we do not interfere, it will not forgive!

[Kittymoore]

Well, write that Russia has its own benefit in Kazakhstani affairs. Why this game about terrorists?

Don't be shy, this is not unusual.

History will forgive Russia for this, but if we do not intervene, then it will not forgive!

Watch shitty movies less. Then you will not sprinkle with dumb quotes.
Blood on hands no history forgives. History documents it, and then demonstrates the consequences.

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

There are more likely not terrorists, but extremists. Islamic. The inhabitants of their city will not burn their own city. But "large numbers of people" from the surrounding villages can very well. Again, they are Muslims in the majority. And what course of Islam they were taught there in the madrasah - Allah knows. And since the extremists, I think the Russian Federation does not want to get "Syria-2" with a huge common border full of holes.

[Kittymoore]

Either nationalist Russophobes, or extremist Islamists. Who next? LGBT members? Jehovah's Witnesses (banned in the Russian Federation)?

Decide who is already there.

[Finches]

According to Ozhegov, hypocrisy is a negative moral quality of a person, which consists in the inconsistency of the words and actions of a person with his true intentions and beliefs! And my words do not disagree with my convictions - you can analyze all my statements for 7 years on VO! But your pro-Western liberalist fraternity is using hypocrisy with might and main as a tool to achieve their goals. In Kazakhstan and Ukraine, this is a "peaceful protest", but on the Champs Elysees or, God forbid, in Washington, it is pogroms and looting!

[Finches]

Actually, the quote about history belongs to Stalin from the book "Children of the Arbat", but I don't know about cinema! And secondly, once again, history forgives blood when it is shed for the sake of preventing even more blood!

[Kittymoore]

History forgives nothing. History is science. She cannot forgive, hate, or love.

The deeds of ancestors are evaluated by their descendants. It's right. But it is far from the fact that they will forgive.

[Romul_78]

To begin with, Russia should have defended the interests of the state in its own country.

[Romul_78]

You do not discuss who writes something, trolls do that. The meaning of what is written should be discussed

[MikhailRus]

Kazakhs will fight back. And they will be absolutely right. Nobody has the right to enter the territory of another state.

[MikhailRus]

Is there an external threat? Intergovernmental ... How will the people react to this? Here it is clear that our government trembled from the possible consequences. They are all the same. They eat at the expense of people.

[Egoza]

Quote: MikhailRus

Nobody has the right to enter the territory of another state.

This is unless a recognized government asks for help. And the CSTO has received a request.

[karish]

Quote: Kitty Moore

The foreign contingent will solve this moral problem (we will not be thrown), which will return the doubters to the system and allow us to win.

Who will win and who?. At the moment when the first Kazakh dies at the hands of the Russian-type peacekeepers, what will be the consequences for the Russians living there?
The ODKB cannot be applied, this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan, no one attacked Kazakhstan, the introduction of troops only worsened the situation

[Overlock]

Quote: karish

when the first Kazakh dies at the hands of the Russian-type peacekeepers, what will be the consequences for the Russians living there?

Many people prefer not to pay attention to it - they say history will write off everything. At the same time, such a case will transfer events to a completely different plane.

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Dalny V

It’s in vain, as for me. Well, the CSTO is not imprisoned for interference in the internal affairs of the member states. And the fact that Tokayev trumpets about terrorist bandits - so with any kipesh, everyone who is against him will automatically be enrolled in terrorist bandits.

The CSTO is imprisoned for the fight against terrorism, and what is happening now in Kazakhstan is far from a protest, but real terrorism ... the protesters have long crossed the line and switched to the category of militants, when they began to kill / maim security forces, seize weapons and infrastructure ... what kind of protest is this? How are they different from the militants in Syria / Libya? Other people's property is being destroyed, cities are being destroyed, the safety of the population is not ensured, etc. so sending a CSTO contingent is the right decision and will help stabilize the situation in the country.

[Romul_78]

According to the CSTO charter, one state has the right to request assistance from the organization in case of aggression against it. Aggression, as explained by the UN, is an attack by one State against another. The question is, which state attacked Kazakhstan?

[Aleksandr21]

Kazakhstan officially requested assistance in connection with terrorist activity in the country, and external aggression, through a hybrid option and the transfer of militants to the territory of Kazakhstan. And such a wording is permissible ... but the fact that there is no State of the Aggressor does not change anything. There is an official request + there is an agreement on the part of the CSTO members, and this is enough for such an operation ... and who trained these militants, and in which countries they were trained, this will only be found out later.

There, in any case, not a peace man, these are the pros who captured several cities of the country in a day, armed themselves and began to seize infrastructure facilities ... therefore, a request to the CSTO is quite acceptable in such a situation.

[Romul_78]

The state can ask for anything, for a loan, for economic preferences, for the suppression of an uprising, this is not a reason. A request is not a law, and the CSTO law clearly prescribes when it is possible and when it is not possible.

[Aleksandr21]

Once again, the charter has not been violated, there is an official request + the fight against terrorism is included in the goals and objectives of the organization.

The goals of the Organization are to consolidate peace, international and regional security and stability, collective defense of independence, territorial integrity and sovereignty of member states

To achieve the goals of the Organization, the member states shall take joint measures to form within its framework an effective system of collective security that provides collective protection in the event of a threat to security, stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty and the realization of the right to collective defense, including the creation of coalition (collective) forces of the Organization. , regional (joint) groupings of troops (forces), peacekeeping forces, joint systems and control bodies, military infrastructure.

The member states coordinate and unite their efforts in the fight against international terrorism and extremism, illicit trafficking in narcotic drugs and psychotropic substances, weapons, organized transnational crime, illegal migration and other threats to the security of the member states.

[Romul_78]

An organization has the right to seek help only in the event of an attack by another state. We are studying the charter of the CSTO and do not bear the gag. You can ask for anything, but this request is illegal

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Romul_78

According to the CSTO charter, one state has the right to request assistance from the organization in case of aggression against it. Aggression, as explained by the UN, is an attack by one State against another. The question is, which state attacked Kazakhstan?

Member States shall take steps to establish and operate a response system within the Organization crisis situations threatening security and stability, territorial integrity and sovereignty of the member states.

So what does the UN say to crisis situations? The document was not written by dolbaks and you seem to have either not read it or are trying to manipulate it. It will not work -s !!!

Quote: Romul_78

A request is not a law, and the CSTO law clearly prescribes when it is possible and when it is not possible.

The law is for civilians, and the military is guided by the Charter. In this case, the charter of the organization, but they also know how to fight. And in the event of a crisis, they are given live ammunition. Yeah

[Gardamir]

Fuck, how many cons have been stuck to you. But how long ago in the conflict Azerov and Armenians yelled that ours should not be sent, because they will shoot.
Surely someone thinks that young fearless horsemen will agree to replay everything back. You just need to find Aldar Kose, as an example was found

[Aleksandr21]

Quote: Gardamir

Fuck, how many cons have been stuck to you. But how long ago in the conflict Azerov and Armenians yelled that ours should not be sent, because they will shoot.

They insisted on the wrong position, terrorism is not a joke ... I now (by the way) live in the Omsk region, practically on the border with Kazakhstan, and this situation cannot but worry, especially since we have a lot of visitors from Kazakhstan here, families mixed + relatives there are a lot in Kazakhstan .... can you imagine what kind of people? There is no connection, the Internet (there) does not work, which is not clear with relatives + the safety of the civilian population, now in Kazakhstan no one ensures, any group of thugs can do anything while there is anarchy in the country. Therefore, everything is very serious ... and if the situation worsens, then more columns of refugees will come to us, so something definitely needs to be done.

[Overlock]

Quote: Aleksandr21

and if the situation worsens, then more columns of refugees will come to us, so something definitely needs to be done.

of course to do - throw firewood on the fire, turn intra-Kazakh clashes into interethnic

[MikhailRus]

Judging by the minuses, the kremlebots started working very hard.

[Stepan S]

kremlebots started working very hard.

And who do you consider yourself to be? To the State Department Bots?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Dalny V

Well, the CSTO is not imprisoned for interference in the internal affairs of the member states.

Katz offers to surrender.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Dart2027

Katz offers to surrender.

Give up once it offers.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Ingvar 72

Give up

Why would I go after Katz?

[Stepan S]

It’s in vain, as for me. Well, the CSTO is not imprisoned for interference in the internal affairs of the member states.

Apparently, the contingent will be tasked with protecting important facilities, such as airports, warehouses, other bases, without direct contact with looters. The Kazakhs themselves will deal with them.

[Romul_78]

We know about such "peacekeepers". When in 1917, after the revolution, Western countries "Came to the rescue." This is the same intervention and interference in internal affairs, helping your class ally, saving the skin of the rotten oligarchic elite. It's a pity for the guys, they won't be greeted with flowers.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Romul_78

This is the same intervention and interference in internal affairs, helping your class ally, saving the skin

Are you talking about the USSR and its international duty?

[Romul_78]

This is me about the intervention in the USSR after the revolution

[Dart2027]

Quote: Romul_78

This is me about the intervention in the USSR

Well, how is this different from

Quote: Dart2027

USSR and its international duty

may I ask?

[Romul_78]

Differs in socio-economic structure and beneficiaries. The USSR stood up for the protection of ordinary people. It takes a long time to interpret. If the CSTO intervened and handed over the property of the oligarchs to the people, only they will be afraid of this)

[Dart2027]

Quote: Romul_78

Differs in socio-economic structure and beneficiaries.

And what? In any case it is

Quote: Romul_78

intervention and interference in internal affairs, helping your class ally, saving the skin

as the saying goes, "poured from one barrel."

Quote: Romul_78

If the CSTO intervened and transferred the property of the oligarchs to the people

The one who robs, burns and kills? Or directly to their owners?

[Romul_78]

You can kill with a knife, or you can cook food. Do you catch the essence?

[Dart2027]

Quote: Romul_78

You can kill with a knife, or you can cook food.

Very thoughtful, but I would like to get an answer

Quote: Dart2027

The one who robs, burns and kills? Or directly to their owners?

[Romul_78]

The whole population

[Dart2027]

That is, no one?

[Avior]

Forgive me for interfering, but I would like to draw your attention to the fact that the USSR arose only in 1922, at the very end of the year, on December 30. There was no intervention in it.

[Romul_78]

Bzezhinsky "Stop fooling yourself, we fought not with communism, but with Russia, no matter how it was called"

[Avior]

I do not consider Brzezinski to be the navel of the earth, especially since at that time he was not yet born.
In World War I, Russia was a member of the Entente and an ally. And this approach continued until the end of the war.
This is what is stipulated in the Versailles Agreement in the form of Russia's right to reparations from Germany, as well as the rights of all states that arose on the territory of the Russian Empire.

Article 116. Germany recognizes and undertakes to respect, as permanent and inalienable, the independence of all territories that were part of the former Russian Empire by August 1, 1914 ...

The Allied and Associated Powers formally stipulate Russia's rights to receive any restitution and reparations from Germany based on the principles of this Treaty.

[aszzz888]

CSTO peacekeepers are being brought into the republic for a limited period of time to normalize and stabilize the situation. The request for the introduction of peacekeeping forces came from the President of Kazakhstan, Kassym-Zhomart Tokayev.

Everything is according to the law. No OSCE, UN, all sorts of crosses, including red ones, will help. Let it squeal, let it flow down the knees ...

[Dmitry Ivanov_8]

They don’t squeal either. Duty statements and that's it. This movement is as much a surprise for them as it is for us.

[aszzz888]

Dmitry Ivanov_8 (Dmitry Ivanov)
Today, 08: 00

-1
They don’t squeal either.

The European Union called on the Kazakh authorities to respect the people's right to "peaceful protest"
Today, 08: 24

Enough for a start?

[Kaufman]

The entire elite is right over the hill ... Now, by decisive measures of the CSTO, to restore order, to stop the acute phase of the conflict, and then what?
what can be offered to the people there?
will spill over into another form - protests and strikes.
it will be difficult there ...
and this is on the eve of negotiations between VVP and Biden.

[raki-uzo]

Independence lasted 30 years.

[From Tomsk]

The best help to Kazakhstan is an excursion to the ruins of Ukraine, turned into colonial territories with slaves living in poverty and lawlessness and tariffs 20 times higher than they were before 2014

[Overlock]

Quote: From Tomsk

The best help to Kazakhstan is an excursion to the ruins of Ukraine, turned into colonial territories with slaves living in poverty and lawlessness and tariffs 20 times higher than they were before 2014

Are you from Tomsk or Ukraine?

[rotfuks]

Why doesn't anyone draw parallels with Kyrgyzstan? Kazakhs and Kyrgyz are practically one people. Under the king, Kazakhs were generally called Kyrgyz-Kaisaks, and Kazakhs appeared at the direction of Stalin during the creation of the USSR. In Kyrgyzstan, riots break out every couple of years under the pretext of fighting corruption. In Kyrgyzstan, the presidential palace is regularly seized and administrative buildings are set on fire. In Kyrgyzstan, hot Kyrgyz guys regularly descend from the mountains and smash the capital and rob shops. In Kyrgyzstan, a new president and a new government appear every couple of years. Now the Kazakhs have adopted the experience of the Kyrgyz and followed the Kyrgyz path. After these regular pogroms, Kyrgyzstan turned into a small Switzerland, and now Kazakh Switzerland is on its way.

[Adler77]

It's sarcasm? Kyrgyzstan is a supplier of migrants to the Russian Federation. Something I have not met Swiss migrants ...

[Finches]

Personally, I have sarcasm, but comrade Ivan, I don't even know what!

[Serg65]

Quote: rotfuks

In Kyrgyzstan, riots break out every couple of years under the pretext of fighting corruption.

Did you get too involved in the events?

Quote: rotfuks

After these regular pogroms, Kyrgyzstan turned into a small Switzerland

And not to Burundi ????

[gjkrjdybr50]

Has Ukraine already turned into "Tse Evropa"? It will be the same in Kazakhstan and Kyrgyzstan.

[riwas]

Russia began to form a peacekeeping contingent to be sent to Kazakhstan

Kazakhstan followed the path of Ukraine. Kazakh nationalists are the only organized force in the country. Tokayev is weaker than Yanukovych. The rise in gas prices is just an excuse. "It wasn't about the babin." On the good, the problem had to be solved as China did in its time, toughly, on its own and without making concessions. Time has shown that a stake on nationalism does not lead to anything good. Now you can see how weak and unstable Kazakhstan is. He didn’t need to be separated from Russia.

[Romul_78]

Instead of building a society of social justice, use tanks to crush people, but you are a fascist my friend

[riwas]

Instead of building a society of social justice, use tanks to crush people, but you are a fascist my friend

You are hinting at Ukraine. If Yanukovych had not flirted with the nationalists and had shown firmness even at the stage of the inception of the nationalist movement, then today's fascist Ukraine would not exist.

[Romul_78]

If Yanukovych had not been a thief, he would not have set his own personal enrichment as a goal, and the development of the country for the benefit of the whole people would not have had any Maidan

[Romul_78]

I'm a communist

[Finches]

Then it is not at all clear why you are denying assistance to Kazakhstan in the fight against extremism! The communists were internationalists!

[Romul_78]

Popular anger is not extremism. Rage noble heard such a definition?
If the Kazakhs were attacked, for example, by China, I would have supported this input of troops, but the input of troops to protect the oligarchic elite would not be

[Finches]

If it was really popular anger, then I would agree with you! But this, unfortunately, is far from the case. This is not quite popular and very controlled anger. Moreover, we are not talking about nobility here!

[Romul_78]

Do you know another way to remove the oligarchic elite and build socialism?

[Finches]

I’m not, but Vladimir Ilyich knew! By way of a revolution, at least three signs must develop, and a coup d'etat is not a revolution with a change in politics and economic formations - it is the replacement of one clan with another! The people here have absolutely nothing to do with, and even more so their interests!

[Romul_78]

Perhaps this subject will appear through such actions, he will never appear in a legal parliamentary way. And in this case, we as a people certainly should not support interference in internal affairs. Well, they will pour blood on everything now, will it be easier for people? Maybe prices will be reduced or increased for? Yes, the overwhelming number of residents of the former USSR do not live on the street just because the "damned scoop" has built free housing. You can look for the hand of the State Department everywhere, but why, if all the elite of all the countries of the former USSR is the collective State Department, because the money is there, the wives are there, etc. You can look for conspiracies as much as you want, but the path taken by all the countries of the former USSR does not imply development, but suggests the extinction of most of the population. And you propose to protect this path?

[Finches]

What kind of blood ?? What are you talking about - a peacekeeping contingent is sent to protect objects and infrastructure, including Russian, including the military!

[Romul_78]

He has no right to go there

[Overlock]

Quote: Finches

What kind of blood ?? What are you talking about - a peacekeeping contingent is sent to protect objects and infrastructure, including Russian, including the military!

How many of our peacekeepers have already died? Wasn't a peacekeeping helicopter shot down in Azerbaijan?

[just exp]

are you talking about how the government?
or Monsieur will convince that Kuyev is building a society of social justice in the Donbass?

[Rusticolus]

It is they who are hinting that only Kukuev's and of course their masters FSA's fascists can crush people with tanks as much as they like. And the rest, no, no. Democracy however.

[viktortarianik]

An extremely unpleasant personality is the current CSTO chairman - Pashinyan (and how did he get there?). If you bring in any peacekeepers, then Tokayev should be changed too. Simonyan put forward very correct requirements for their introduction.

[Rusticolus]

Tokayev just in no case should be changed now, why do we need another one in Rostov just as useless? While Tokayev is in Kazakhstan, he represents the legitimate government. As soon as he escapes, there will be his own little oglu, who will proclaim himself the president. But it is absolutely necessary to adhere to Tokayev with the right advisor. When Tokayev tried to get excited, he offered to take him to the square alone, and recall the fate of Gaddafi.

[aslan balayev]

Chairman Pashinyan gave an order to the CSTO troops to enter Kazakhstan, and he himself somehow cleverly stood aside, for some reason he did not send the Armenian soldiers.

[Sad235]

Anti-Russian sentiments are strong in the republic And the introduction of our troops, whatever you call them, will only strengthen these sentiments Not by troops, but by caring for people

[Sad235]

History teaches that nothing is forgotten. The USSR entered Czechoslovakia in 1968, and they still remember it. Also in Kazakhstan. But on the other hand, even the children of Kazakhs will know that the Russians are occupiers and draw appropriate conclusions. Talk about trained militants and other nonsense is from the crafty One.

[Dart2027]

Quote: Sad235

The USSR entered Czechoslovakia in 1968, and they still remember it

An old song from the 90s.

[Sad235]

And you ask the Czechs I asked, although correctly, I'm a tourist, but they explained to me that they all remember and are not going to forget

[Dart2027]

Quote: Sad235

I asked, though correctly, I'm a tourist, but they explained to me that they all remember and are not going to forget

Well, the flag is in their hands. Our people then did the wrong thing, when, having entered the Czech Republic, they did not remember to the local "Europeans" how they supplied Hitler with weapons throughout the war and did not blow his mustache. Now, if they were reminded in an adult way, then their memory would immediately become correct.
And by the way, what did your acquaintances say about the bombing of Prague by the Americans when they did not hit any military target? Do they also remember, or have they already forgotten?

[Sad235]

Well, the Americans razed Dresden and a bunch of cities to the ground and nothing, the Germans and the Americans get along perfectly

[Dart2027]

Quote: Sad235

and nothing, Germans and Americans get along perfectly

What a selective memory. Probably it was necessary to raze a couple of Czech cities to the ground, then they would have forgotten everything too.

[Valery Vl.]

We decided once again on New Year's holidays to arrange trouble at our side. The meanness just rolls over. They call this preparation for negotiations.

[Bad Pig (Ham)]

I even guess in which areas the peacekeepers will be introduced;)

[Dikson]

Here you go. And immediately it became somehow not up to Ukraine and NATO troops in it .. And when we get involved in the Kazakhstan meat grinder, then the question of Crimea will make itself felt again .. A pack of dogs gnaws a bear .. It remains to find "Afghan refugees" in Kazakhstan from Taliban and everything will be even more fun .. Well, you definitely won't sit out from American missiles from Kazakhstan beyond the Urals .. So you have to fight .. Where are the mantras about the need to fight in Syria? Why aren't they sung? While they were chasing other people's barmaley in a distant country, the neighbors grew up their own barmaley ..

[Free wind]

The CSTO is intended to help in the elimination of external threats, according to the agreement so. The introduction of troops will not add friendliness to us. The fact that the people were brought to a heat, then brought. The fact that life is tied to gas in many regions there should be known. This is el energy. heating, cooking. Well, there were enough internal problems.

[Yves762]

Maybe it’s better to put it this way:
The local authorities failed, and out of fear for their tail threw a cry to the "brothers" by the blood of the sovereign: "Save-pamAgite-kill-see!"
The ons, having estimated the "ruler" to their nose, decided to help their fellows out of considerations of corporate solidarity (class solidarity), hiding behind the CSTO. They will have to, and on the spot it is possible to muddle the thread.
And if the local does not get out, Kazakhstan has already been counted and divided ...
Look, you can look at Libya and Syria ...

[Finches]

Formally, you are right, these forces are designed to repel external threats, but they can also be used to solve the internal problems of the participating countries - for example, to counter terrorism. It is in accordance with this point that the leadership of Kazakhstan has now asked for help from the organization. So the ubiquitous mention of "terrorists" in all reports of the actions of the rebels is no coincidence.

[Dimy4]

Everyone writes about various foreign intelligence services that know how to work in the East. What about ours? Sitting on a pot with a dummy?

[Humpty]

To introduce Tajiks to Chimkent and Dzhambul, these places were well known to their ancestors. Kirghiz in Alma-Ata, first of all their relatives are their ancestors, but the score for the capture of cities has long been like 2: 2, there may be a reason to change. The Armenians, of course, should help to save the capital.

[SKIF555]

Hear! Why not to Malaya Stanitsa?

[Humpty]

Quote: SKIF555

Hear! Why not to Malaya Stanitsa?

I can not hear.

[Sergey39]

It looks like you set fire to Kazakhstan in retaliation for the Russian ultimatum? (((

[Karos]

In vain Russia climbed in. If the people used to have hatred for their leadership, now it will be directed towards the CSTO countries. The government would change, but there would be no claims to Russia and Russia would build new relations with the new government. It would be difficult for Kazakhstan without Russia.

[tatra]

Now many, especially the paid propagandists of the Kremlin, accuse the West and Europe of having decided to stage a "color revolution" in Kazakhstan. But the enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe behave completely differently as they should in this case, as they forbade Yanukovych to resist "peaceful citizens" during the Maidan in Ukraine, declared him a "bloody maniac" for "they are children" as they were Lukashenka was declared a "tyrant" for the "peaceful citizens" who were eager to stage a coup d'etat in Belarus. And now they have no "indignation" against Tokayev.

[Dart2027]

Quote: tatra

Now many, especially the paid propagandists of the Kremlin, accuse the West and Europe of having decided to stage a "color revolution" in Kazakhstan. But the enemies of the communists in the West and in Europe behave completely differently than they should in this case.

The European Union calls for respect for the right of citizens to peaceful protest in Kazakhstan. This is reported in a statement by the EU foreign policy service.
https://russian.rt.com/world/news/945885-evropa-kazahstan-pravo-protest

[for]

"Baikonur Nash"

[Finches]

No need to waste time on trifles! Kazakhstan is ours!

[jeka424]

let them figure it out

[Bez 310]

As far as I know, there are no legal grounds for bringing our troops into Kazakhstan. The CSTO is not intended to resolve the internal political issues of its member countries.

[Finches]

Not our troops are being deployed there, but the CSTO peacekeeping contingent, made up of units of the national armed forces of six states: Russia, Belarus, Armenia, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan and Tajikistan!

[Mikhail3]

Of course) Therefore, really strong players are not interested in such reasons at a critical moment. The foundations will be worked out later, and they will be iron) The question is not in the foundations, but in the victory. Which must be achieved. Otherwise, no piece of paper will help. And if you win, there will be pieces of paper. Exactly.

[jeka424]

to show it apparently so that others would be discouraged

[El Chuvachino]

There is. Tokayev announced outside interference, fueling terrorism and rallies. There is a threat to the state, which means it's time for the CSTO to harness itself to help stabilize.

[Bez 310]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Tokayev announced outside interference

Well, yes, well, yes ... The president who is losing power can even declare something else.
There is no point in discussing a decision already made.

[El Chuvachino]

This is how you feel your impartiality in this matter.

[Bez 310]

Quote: El Chuvachino

in this matter

What is happening in Kazakhstan does not bother me much, I am interested in the legality of using our army in the internal affairs of a sovereign state. But all decisions have been made and are already being implemented, and the staff propagandists will tell us about the legality. I consider this question closed for myself.

[76SSSR]

Quote: Bez 310

our army

You do not have "our army". You fucked it all up and drank it. I tore off epaulettes from people like you and made them eat. When you retire, just sit there. You haven’t been to one “point”; You don't have something to be proud of - you're just another intermediate flyer, what mountains. Sit down and don't blather, you're tired already.

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Bez 310

The president who is losing power can even say something else.

Rather, the opposite is true. A coup d'etat took place in Kazakhstan, the Tokayev clan removed the Nazarbayev clan. These protests were clearly created by the internal forces of Kazakhstan, by certain clans in power. Tokayev, having applied to the CSTO, received the support of the Russian authorities.

[Bez 310]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Tokayev, having applied to the CSTO, received the support of the Russian authorities.

I have no doubts about it.
But do we have the right to play on the side of one of the warring parties in a sovereign state?

[OgnennyiKotik]

Quote: Bez 310

But do we have the right to play on the side of one of the warring parties in a sovereign state?

In my opinion, we have not only a right, but a duty. The only question is that in our power this is not the only "duty" and how they fulfill them.

[76SSSR]

Quote: Bez 310

But do we have the right to play on the side of one of the opposing sides

Navigator, fly .... There is not only a right, but a duty. And no need to talk about several sides. Legally, there is only one side of the dash with which the official document is signed. Here, on the side of the official authorities, we have the official right to "play" ... You would have drunk vodka and would not climb here, navigator ...)

[mag nit]

They will fly to save Nazarbayev's dictatorship.

[Vadim237]

Most likely, Nazarbayev's guys behind his back staged this coup and raised the gas price as an excuse for the withdrawal of the crowd so that Nazarbayev's power would be removed with him and a warm place for themselves at the very top was provided.

[Yves762]

Maybe I missed something, but WHO is the subject that attacked Kazakhstan?
As there somewhere: "Name, Sister, name! Give me his name!"
"Terrorists", "bandits", "separatists", "marauders" ... ect - the words are painfully common.
So I, it happened, do not know.
Specifically who ???

[Avior]

"Terrorists", "bandits", "separatists", "marauders" ... ect - the words are painfully common.
So I, it happened, do not know. request
Specifically who ???

everyone is interested in it

[pavelvks]

Yes, no one, just another "independent" CIS country is unable to solve its own problems.

[Pavel57]

Quote: Romul_78

Maidans take place where there are grounds. In a prosperous society, it is impossible

The foundation can always be found.

[Yves762]

Yeah ...
But in an unfavorable one, there is no need to look for work ...