The timing of the receipt of the modernized Su-30SM2 fighters in the Russian Aerospace Forces has been disclosed

The Russian Aerospace Forces can receive the upgraded Su-30SM2 fighters in 2023; it is at the end of next year that special flight tests of the new aircraft should be completed. This was announced by a source in the aviation industry.

According to a representative of the Russian defense industry, the modernized Su-30SM2, which received the AL-41F-1C engine from the Su-35 fighter, has now begun special flight tests, which should be completed by December 2023. The fighter must make more than 150 flights; to date, no more than 10% of the required volume has been completed.

In the process of performing SLI on the Su-30SM (D) and Su-30SM2 aircraft, it is envisaged to issue a preliminary opinion, which will allow, according to the decision of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation, to supply Su-2023SM30 aircraft with AL-2F-41S engines in 1

- leads "Interfax" source words.

The fact that the Ministry of Defense is launching a program to modernize the Su-30SM combat aircraft to the level of the Su-30SM2 became known in August last year. Work as part of the "experimental overhaul of the Su-30SM aircraft of the Ministry of Defense with simultaneous modernization" was supposed to start in December 2021, but no information has been received.

According to preliminary information, the first batch of modernized Su-30SM2 should be delivered to the Aerospace Forces by the end of this year. How many planes it will have is not reported. Also, the Ministry of Defense has not yet officially announced information on the total number of Su-30SM combat fighters planned for modernization. To date, the Aerospace Forces and the Navy have about 130 Su-30SM, which have been delivered since 2013.

Simultaneously with the modernization of the combatant Su-30SM, the Ministry of Defense will also purchase new-built Su-30SM2 fighters. The contract for the supply of 21 new Su-30SM2 fighters was signed in 2020, it is planned that the new aircraft will strengthen the sea Aviation.

The modernized Su-30SM2 fighter is maximally unified with the Su-35 fighter. In the course of modernization, combat fighters will receive the AL-41F-1S engine and the Irbis radar, the avionics, electronics will be improved, and the arsenal of weapons will be expanded.

Comments

[JD1979]

Those. a spent, serial engine that feels fine in the Su-35 body needs to be tested for 2 years in an almost twin ..., again, a serial one. Either I don’t understand something, or it’s possible to cut a lot more on "tests" than in mass deliveries of equipment.

[alexmach]

Those. a spent, serial engine that feels fine in the Su-35 hull needs to be tested for 2 years in an almost twin ..., again, a serial one.

Well, when the engine is replaced, the load on the airframe will at least increase. Plus the deflected thrust vector in planes in which it has not previously deflected ...
But 2 years really take a long time. Could you have covered these 150 flights in one year? Although, again, what kind of maintenance and analysis she does in the interflight period is not clear ...

Well, there are 2 questions as far as I understood - the release of new and the modernization of existing fighters .. it is not clear what they are experiencing ... are not both options. The release of new ones is not completely clear why it is needed, the modernization of the existing ones may not yet burn due to the fact that this very motor resource has not yet been selected for old engines.

[Volkof]

The article, as well as the author's head, is a complete mess ...

The Ministry of Defense will also purchase new-built Su-30SM2 fighters. The contract for the supply of 21 new Su-30SM2 fighters was signed in 2020, it is planned that the new aircraft will strengthen the naval aviation.

Under this contract, the naval aviation will supply ordinary Su-30SM, but modernized under the Sych program. Someone glued the CM2 index to these planes, that's where all the confusion comes from ...

According to a representative of the Russian defense industry, the modernized Su-30SM2, which received the AL-41F-1C engine from the Su-35 fighter, has now begun special flight tests, which should be completed by December 2023.

And this is not reliable information. Nothing took off anywhere. The Su-30SM2 should take off at the end of 2022 ... Then tests and state acceptance until the end of 2023 ... And only then the release of new ones and the modernization of old ones ...
What is the overhaul life before 1 repair for the Su-30SM in years 8 + 1 or 9 + 1? The first large batch of Su-30SM was delivered in 2013.

[EvilLion]

150 Flights per year - that's 2 kopeck days for one flight, while you need not just fly, but prepare a detailed report for each, and have time to spare for force majeure and elimination of defects.

[Volkof]

Each engine has its own attachment points to the airframe of the aircraft and a specific configuration, or rather a line-up ... To control the engine, their sensors and systems are used and they can be very different even for AL-31 and AL-41 with all the consequences ... 30SM2 is a different aircraft and it may turn out that simple Su-30SM is not profitable, and maybe it will be impossible to modify on the engine and airframe up to the Su-30SM2 ... Do not listen to the statements of incompetent "storytellers", and the military the same .... This also applies to Indian aircraft .... The period until the end of 2023 is not so long ...

[Volkof]

But here is some encouraging first-hand information about the Su-35S engine:

As a power plant, the aircraft received two TRDDF 117S developed by NPO Saturn. The 117S is a development of the AL-31F engine installed on Su-27 aircraft and is distinguished by an increased afterburner (from 12500 kgf to 14500 kgf) and non-afterburner (from 7700 to 8800 kgf) thrust, as well as a doubled assigned resource. The engine gained the ability to control the thrust vector by deflecting the nozzle at an angle of up to 2 ° from the neutral position. Joint deflection of the nozzles provides control of the aircraft in the longitudinal, transverse and track channels.

https://www.sukhoi.org/products/samolety/256/

[EMMM]

So it is written that the composition of avionics and weapons have changed. A proven engine and a new armament system in an old glider still need to be tested.

[1Alexey]

Quote: JD1979

Those. a spent, serial engine that feels fine in the Su-35 hull needs to be tested for 2 years in an almost twin ..., again, a serial one.

The article contains conflicting information on this score.

On the one hand, it says:

According to a representative of the Russian defense industry, the modernized Su-30SM2, which received the AL-41F-1C engine from the Su-35 fighter, has now begun special flight tests, which should be completed by December 2023.

And then it really turns out about 2 years.

But on the other hand, the same article says:

According to preliminary information, the first batch of modernized Su-30SM2 should be delivered to the Aerospace Forces by the end of this year.

At the same time, nowhere in that paragraph is 2023 mentioned, the question arises: what then is meant by the words "this year"? Usually, in such cases, such words mean the year the article was written (i.e. 2022), then it turns out 1 year.

[JD1979]

Quote: 1Alexey

And then it really turns out about 2 years.

Oh, I don’t know the protocols ... but trying to reason logically, I just can’t understand what can be done for 2 years watching the sex of "dinosaurs"? when one is 30 years old and the other is + -15? And after 2 years, scratch the back of your head and ... let's cram a younger egg into our lizard, it's not cool for an electromechanic anymore and ... we announce the next 2-3 years of watching a home p ... already with F-1, without "C ".

[PROXOR]

I am worried about something else. AFAR WHERE ?!

[EvilLion]

You cannot screw a new nut on an airplane without a complete certification program. Do not understand the issue, do not write nonsense.

[Volkof]

You are very mistaken about the "nut"! In the USSR, every year, a set of modifications was performed on almost all aircraft. Moreover, it was carried out in military units, but by factory brigades, as a rule, when performing routine maintenance in the TEC. For example, on the Su-17M3, 7 such complexes of improvements were performed! Serious work was carried out. Systems were changed, new ones were installed, new wires and harnesses were laid, sometimes new air intake pipes were installed for cooling ... The work was carried out mainly qualified, but the military was responsible for the quality and control of the work performed, oddly enough ... There were many opponents of such work in parts ...
In addition, by order of the Air Force commander, it was allowed, as an experiment, as directed by the chief engineers of the air armies, to carry out modifications on the aircraft by the military himself in order to increase the combat effectiveness of the aircraft, but only on the 1st aircraft of each type of equipment ... For example, on the SU-17M3 the sighting system was not perfect. Due to the departure of the parameters of the analog computer, for high-quality shooting and combat use in automatic and semi-automatic modes, it was necessary to perform adjustments on the ground before each series of combat use ... For this, the military installed an error compensation system that the pilot could use independently in the air without additional adjustments ... On the Su-17M4, the sight was digital and the aircraft demonstrated tremendous accuracy in combat use without any lengthy and constant adjustments ... after all, it has a sighting complex with a Su-17M4 ...

[EvilLion]

It's just that in the USSR, the attitude towards accidents was much easier, and it was done faster, in practice, in industrial design, any deviation from the project in which case would raise questions, and no one wants to answer, therefore, serious people do not allow partisans.

And in the USSR, before they began to finish the planes in parts, they were tested in a new form in the design bureau. According to the approved instructions.

[Volkof]

On the newest Su-35S and Su-30SM2 from open sources, there will be a Baguette-53-31m series 1 on-board computer with a single-core processor with a clock frequency of 0,4 GHz and a "newest" 32-bit OS ?! The task for the development of which was received in 2017? !! We see clearly ... Even taking into account the military execution, the increased requirements for external influences, it's still wild.
Now all the gamers will choke with laughter ... And then they ask why the Indians take "Rafale" !!! What do you think is on the SU-57? And what about the F-35?

[Hermit21]

Because the new engine and airborne radar is a new purge, flight tests in full.

[yuriy55]

The modernized Su-30SM2 fighter is maximally unified with the Su-35 fighter. In the course of modernization, combat fighters will receive the AL-41F-1S engine and the Irbis radar, the avionics, electronics will be improved, and the arsenal of weapons will be expanded.

And on the engines of the Su-35S, the Su-57 is still flying ...
If the Su-30 is such a good glider, then wouldn't it be wiser to upgrade its Irbis and Izdelyem 30 radars and expand the arsenal of weapons with the latest long-range air-to-air and air-to-ground missiles?

[9PA]

Probably more likely the export version will be

[210ox]

Tell me, what about the "Irbis" SAFAR? Why am I asking, or rather, I'm worried about the lag in avionics. Moreover, it seems critical. The winner is the one who first discovers the enemy.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: 210ox

and "Irbis" SAFAR?

No. This is PFAR.
The most powerful transmitter in airborne radars, shines for the entire universe, probably somewhere aliens on Alfa Centaur see in their radio telescopes and are surprised - "where is this from, and what kind of geographic news ...".

[mark1]

Quote: Jacket in stock

The most powerful transmitter in airborne radars

This is bad ?

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: mark1

This is bad ?

Yes, bad.
AFAR can emit an ultra-wideband signal that looks like ordinary "white" noise. If you do not know the signal parameters in advance, it is very difficult to identify them.
It is simply impossible not to notice the working radar station of our aircraft, and they can be seen from the other side of the Earth.

[mark1]

It is not worth showing knowledge where there is none.

[Yarhann]

another sofa radio technician))) educate us further with your nonsense))) very funny))))

[Rash]

Here is a stupid person.

[Hermit21]

Oh, tales of LPI, smelling of mothballs. :) A similar mode was worked out on H011, and modern open source software learned to distinguish a broadband signal "yesterday".

[SovAr238A]

Quote: mark1

Quote: Jacket in stock

The most powerful transmitter in airborne radars

This is bad ?

Highly.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: Jacket in stock

The most powerful transmitter in airborne radars, shines for the entire universe, probably somewhere aliens on the Alpha Centaur see in their radio telescopes and are surprised -...

At one time, when the GDR and the FRG united, the F-16 and MiG-29 were simultaneously in the German air force. So, in joint exercises, the F-16 could not work with its own locator, as it was clogged with the radiation of the MiG-29 locator (all other things being equal, where the F-16 locator took the receiver sensitivity, the MiG-29 locator compensated with the transmitter's radiation power).

[Hexenmeister]

Only not F-16, but F-15, and not high sensitivity, but poor selectivity and low dynamic range!

[Pete mitchell]

Quote: Bad_gr

At one time, when the GDR and the FRG united, the F-16 and MiG-29 were simultaneously in the German air force.

Quote: Hexenmeister

Not the F-16, but the F-15 ...

Let's make a reservation right away: the luftwaffe has never been in service with either -16 or -15: well, it happened. 15 if I am not mistaken flew into Spandal; The 16s still live there ...
The 29th "with crosses" strangled both those and others in the BVB, with the DVB it was much more difficult: against the R-73 with the Slit in combination with the maneuverability of the 29th you can't trample ...

[Hexenmeister]

Well, everything is correct, these were American planes, and it all started with the F-15, which at the preliminary preparation stage "merged" due to massive false marks, and it did not come to the DVB, under the pretext of "low flight safety" in such conditions ...

[Momento]

both egypt and poland have both f-16 and mig-29 ... but they sort of fly?

[Hexenmeister]

The events described were immediately after the "unification" of Germany, that is, the very end of the 80s, and Egypt and Poland did not have any such aircraft. In addition, one should not confuse the aircraft of "that" time with the present.

[Gardener91]

Quote: Bad_gr

(all other things being equal, where the F-16 locator took the receiver sensitivity, the MiG-29 locator compensated for the transmitter's radiation power).

At the 29th, the RLPK works in conjunction with the KOLS on the range channel. And so, yes, when intercepting at long ranges (especially in PPS), letters were spread on the participating sides, so as not to interfere with each other. Those in the know will understand what I mean, and so much ..

[El Chuvachino]

Su-57 flies on engines other than the Su-35.

[Bad_gr]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Su-57 flies on engines other than the Su-35.

Yes, they are different. The engine control system is different: on the Su-57 it is completely digital, on the Su-35 it is digital-analog.

[El Chuvachino]

What are you talking about traction, weight, dimensions and other differences did not mention?

[Bad_gr]

Quote: El Chuvachino

What are you talking about traction, weight, dimensions and other differences did not mention?

In Wik they write:
The AL-41F1 engine is distinguished from the AL-35F-117S engine for the Su-41S (product 1S) by an increased thrust force, a sophisticated automation system, a fully digital control system, a new turbine and improved flow characteristics [1] [45].

In general, as already mentioned, the engines are different.

[yuriy55]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Su-57 flies on engines other than the Su-35.

Yes, it is clear ... One has digital control, the other has mechanical control and the difference in thrust on afterburner ... Here the principle of so-called modernization is more important, because in fact it is no longer advanced ...
The question is, who needs such a modernization? Let them work on a new one, not patch old holes ... I guess. And these promised extended-range missiles ... and AFAR ...
Maybe I'm not entirely right, but such a modernization looks like a mockery of the defense industry complex against the background of the planes, yachts and submarines of the Russian oligarchs ...

[El Chuvachino]

Quote: yuriy55

Let them work on a new one, not patch old holes ... I guess.

Famously you call one of the best engines in the world today "old holes". I'm afraid to ask if you have anything to do with aviation to make so many harsh statements and tell how it is better for the thousands of people involved to design and build airplanes.

[yuriy55]

Quote: El Chuvachino

Famously you call one of the best engines in the world today "old holes".

Quote: yuriy55

Let them work on a new one, and not patch old holes ...

I mean, the new Su-57, Su-75 and other PAKDA ...
You have some strange peculiarity of pulling out phrases ... A harmful habit of the committee ... As for the best and "analogs will subdue" - this is proved by participation in hostilities, and not in parades ... I suppose ...
Success and good salaries to people who build airplanes.
Try so that we no longer intersect unnecessarily, you are not my interlocutor ...

[El Chuvachino]

Try to continue to express yourself more clearly, competently without teenage ellipsis and not to admit stupidity like those that you wrote above, then you will not have to make comments to you.

[1Alexey]

Quote: yuriy55

Let them work on a new one, and not patch old holes ...

I think that the reason is in the 90s, when we almost did not produce new weapons and, at the same time, we reduced the good ones that were still available.
Of course, it would be more logical to produce the most modern samples, but they need more time, and the war can start at any moment. So you have to modernize outdated weapons in order to quickly collect the required amount.

[sportline]

In general, in terms of thrust-to-weight ratio and operational characteristics, they are the best. Likewise motors from GE and PW.

[Volkof]

I agree with you in many ways! I will say more, there are so few new aircraft in the Air Force that it would be better to rivet simple Su-30SM without stopping and prepare new SU ...There are only 26 new aircraft in naval aviation in all four fleets and this is 26 Su-30SM ?! It would be funny, but very sad from this ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Volkof

it would be better to rivet simple Su-30SM without stopping

Ага.
Better yet, Yak3 and La5, you can do a dozen of them a day.

[Volkof]

No need to joke stupidly and run into rudeness ...
Read:
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4240466.html
https://dfnc.ru/aviazcia/aviatsiya-vmf-rossii/
Maybe it will help ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Volkof

Read:
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4240466.html
https://dfnc.ru/aviazcia/aviatsiya-vmf-rossii/
May help

Well, I read it. And once again I remembered that the Su35 is the design of 2008, the Su30SM in general of the last century, and did not go very far from the same Yak3.
It's time to modernize both, the Su30 is already long overdue. There is no real benefit from them in the troops, except that the pilots do not forget their skills, and nothing else, by and large.

[1Alexey]

Quote: Volkof

I will say more, there are so few new aircraft in the Air Force that it would be better to rivet simple Su-30SM without stopping and prepare new SU

It is important to find a "golden" mean here, so as not to get into the situation that had developed by the beginning of the Second World War, when we had much more fighters than the Germans, but at the same time most of them were technically very much behind the Germans and the Germans easily shot them down (large aircraft losses at the beginning of the war were not only at airfields).

[mark1]

So what year will deliveries start at 22 or 23?

[Jacket in stock]

Hmm.
It would be funny if it were not so sad.
Modernization by installing a ten-year-old engine and radar on the aircraft ...
But it will be considered in the category "new equipment".

[OgnennyiKotik]

There are no questions about the engines, unification with the Su-35 is an unambiguous +. Moreover, the AL-41 is an excellent engine, it will still be relevant for a couple of decades. The question is, why didn't they do it right away?
Here is the radar is sadness. Changing a very outdated radar for an outdated one is strong.

[mark1]

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Here is the radar is sadness.

Why are you sad? What parameters sadden you?

[Yarhann]

You know, I haven't read it from the region, but I condemn it))) although still, let's wait for an answer from the next sofa radio technician who, of course, will enlighten us as to how it really is)))

[sportline]

Well, imagine that you are an official from the Ministry of Defense. You tell the Tsar that the Su-35 is an awesomely unrivaled Aircraft with a radar that takes this aircraft to the upper stage of the development of aircraft construction. You tell him what he would give money for the development and purchase of this machine. He squeaks in his soul to allocate this money and then bam! After 5 years, it becomes clear that the radar does not correspond to the spirit of the times, and because of it, not a single foreign buyer wants to buy this very Su-35. Before you is a problem:
1) tell the Tsar the truth about the need for new large investments in this plane and take off with a bang from service.
2) lie to the Tsar and continue to tell tales about the unmatchedness of the Su-35 and keep the seat.
Which do you prefer?

[Yarhann]

Well, about the kings, then you tell the gray-haired schoolchildren - in fact, I understand that there is nothing to say. with your kids everything is so simple - if only it were like that in life - I love the wonderful stories of the shkolota))) how it really is

[SovAr238A]

Quote: mark1

Quote: OgnennyiKotik

Here is the radar is sadness.

Why are you sad? What parameters sadden you?

Well, here are my 5 kopecks.
Absence of PoI.
Lack of transmission of designation to missiles by the same LPI.
Lack of broadband communication between aircraft of the same group via the same LPI.
Lack of simultaneous operation in different frequencies.
AFAR can indeed precisely counter the ARGSN of V-V missiles ...

[mark1]

Can you tell me the range in LPI mode? Maybe the OLS will be enough for such a range? In addition, this mode is susceptible to interference.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: mark1

Can you tell me the range in LPI mode? Maybe the OLS will be enough for such a range? In addition, this mode is susceptible to interference.

What is the interference on the PoI?
By what means are you going to jam the PoI?
What are you talking about?

[mark1]

Quote: SovAr238A

By what means are you going to jam the PoI?

Broadband, my friend.

[Momento]

broadband jammers operate for a couple of kilometers. and energy requires figs knows how much. About this article was published recently.

[Hexenmeister]

that is, for the radiation from the radar of a broadband signal, energy is not needed, but from the side of the jammer of the same broadband signal, but in the form of interference, suddenly it was required, and even awesome ???

[Momento]

Afar emits a non-broadband signal. afar divides the radar into several parts and each part uses its own range. this is possible because afars have many emitters. and if there is lpi, then these frequencies are also constantly changing. The jammer must cover the entire range with a solid line.

[this]

Oh, only in this mode it becomes very weak, a bunch of low-power multi-frequency radars, the range is greatly reduced.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: mark1

Quote: SovAr238A

By what means are you going to jam the PoI?

Broadband, my friend.

Explain to us how you find out that the LPI is working in this particular area of ​​the sky?
Explain to us how and with what you will jam both the centimeter and millimeter ranges at the same time?
Did you know that broadband electronic warfare jamming all fish in the radius?
Do you know that AFAR is excellent at working in RTR, REP, EW modes?
For the design itself allows ...

It seems to me that you do not know any of this ...

[Hermit21]

PFAR can do exactly the same thing as AFAR: noise-like signal, jamming, mapping, tracking on the passage, passive mode, etc. And yes, AFAR does not know how to allocate PPM blocks for individual tasks - this makes no sense at all.

[Momento]

pfar is the last century. he has no advantage with afar. some disadvantages. one emitter. even on ships they are now being actively changed to afar. and the air defense is actively changing. afar and gives more information and its quality is better. and if the pfar was good, why should we sculpt afar on the su-57?

[Hermit21]

pfar is the last century. he has no advantage with afar

Cheapness. Greater ease of manufacture. And they can, I repeat, the same thing.

afar and gives more information and

Which radar "gives more information" depends not on its type, but on the characteristics of the web and the power of the on-board computer.

and its quality is better

This, too, has nothing to do with the type of radar. You can make both shitty AFAR and excellent PFAR, and vice versa.

Why sculpt afar on the Su-57?

Because AFAR is the future. Or already behind radio-photonics. But this does not mean that one can indiscriminately find fault with the PFAR, talking about allegedly some kind of backwardness and inefficiency.

[this]

The Su-57 does not have Afar, but the CAR in general, maybe even more abruptly, has already been muddied.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: Hermit21

PFAR can do exactly the same thing as AFAR: noise-like signal, jamming, mapping, tracking on the passage, passive mode, etc. And yes, AFAR does not know how to allocate PPM blocks for individual tasks - this makes no sense at all.

Can not.
Do not lie.
The AFAR principle itself does not allow.
At least read the device, what is the difference ...

And AFAR can just separate the PPM blocks for different tasks and different directional patterns and different ranges. - simultaneously.

[Hermit21]

What can't? Where am I lying?

And AFAR can just separate the PPM blocks for different tasks and different directional patterns and different ranges. - simultaneously

Nope. This bike dates back to those years when the possibility of such a functioning was just being considered. In fact, the issue of electromagnetic compatibility practically kills this idea. Let's say you allocate 1000 PPMs from 200 to create interference, let each PPM be 2 W of average signal power. In total, you get a 400 W interference, which must be emitted in the X-band, since the enemy's radar also works in it, and your own radar too. Question: how can you normally receive a signal when an interference transmitter is working in a decimeter from the receiver? But for the enemy's radar, these 400 watts will not always seem powerful enough. At the same time, removing 200 PPM from the canvas for another function, you kill the detection range by 1/5: let's say, it was 200 km, now it is 160. Is it worth it?
Another thing is to alternate the modes of view, illumination and jamming on the entire canvas. Actually, this is the only way they do it in practice.

[this]

It cannot counteract, from the constant radiation of the ARGSN rocket in general, only a game with the Doppler effect will help, such as the target is moving away or, on the contrary, very close, you cannot hammer in with strong interference, and will aim at them. The radar on the rocket turns on in a few seconds, then only the maneuver will save, which began even before that moment.

[Hexenmeister]

Can't resist

For this, there are specialized systems on board that counteract even better because they are specialized for this

from the constant radiation of the ARGSN rocket in general, only a game with the Doppler effect will help ...

Themselves then realized that they wrote ??? And here the radiation of some kind of "ARGSN" and the characteristics of the onboard radar ??? Aiming at a hindrance ??? Well-Well, rather a normal missile with an active radar seeker will aim at the interference from afar than at the "specialized" interference, for example, from "Sorption".

[this]

They work well before, not when homing is enabled.

[Hexenmeister]

Again verbiage ... against whom is it good "before" and against whom is "after"?

[Yarhann]

oh yes, I've even lost the essence of the dialogue)))

[this]

If the rocket's radar is switched on in an active mode, then you will destroy it with electronic warfare, even the old S-200v missiles were shot down by Israeli planes over the Levan, but those of them definitely have electronic warfare. enemy, which is being done.

[Hexenmeister]

We are discussing fighter radars in this thread, not missile radars. However, if, as you write:

the rocket's radar went into active mode

then this means that the rocket radar began to emit a signal in the direction of the target, and it will receive all information about the target from the REFLECTED signal, but by the reflected signal, according to your statements:

while it is aiming along the reflected beam, then the enemy's radar can also be obscured, which is done

therefore, electronic warfare will be effective against any radar seeker (both active and semi-active) used at the final stage of missile guidance, and none:

then fuck him with electronic warfare

[this]

Well, firstly, not everyone, here everything depends on the radar-rocket system, the electronic warfare works somewhat on the rocket, how much more on the radar, and the radar on the rocket can generally be perceived as a backlight flashlight for accurate guidance, so if it works and captured the target, then the defeat will definitely be near, and will not shy away somewhere in the distance. The electronic warfare fog can be directed to the semi-active head as well as to the radar, which cannot give out the exact location for two stars, but the seeker, which already sees the volumetric target, is navryatli.

[Hexenmeister]

Electronic warfare works somewhat on the rocket, how much more on the radar

The weakest link in the fighter's radar set and the radar seeker, will always be exactly the seeker, and it will be less stable against the effects of electronic warfare, and not the fighter's radar, which is much further from the source of electronic warfare, plus it is also constantly working in the review mode, in contrast to GOS, which always "looks" at the target.

but on the homing head, which already sees the volumetric target, they navryatli.

Electronic warfare is designed to suppress any radar seeker, and this type of seeker does not have any "volumetric" information about the target !!!

[Momento]

put tested equipment - a minimum of tests and problems in operation. you can understand. but even the Indians want to replace them with the Israeli radar in their su-30mcs. and the Indians do not agree with the snow leopard.

[Flooding]

The Russian Aerospace Forces can receive the upgraded Su-30SM2 fighters in 2023; it is at the end of next year that special flight tests of the new aircraft should be completed.

Izvestia on December 29 wrote:
"Su-30SM2 aircraft will enter the Baltic Fleet in 2022"

https://iz.ru/1271119/2021-12-29/samolety-su-30sm2-postupiat-na-baltiiskii-flot-v-2022-godu

[storm]

In 22g, the first newly manufactured Su-30SM2 under the contract for 21 units should go to the BF. for the Navy.
Most likely, the new and modernized Su-30SM2 are somewhat different if the upgraded ones require additional tests up to 23g, and new ones will arrive in combat units as early as 22g.

[rocket757]

The beginning of the year ... if not a mess, then a very messy one!
They say a lot, there are a lot of plans ... time will pass, everything will settle down, it will become more or less clear.

[Aag]

Quote: rocket757

The beginning of the year ... if not a mess, then a very messy one!
They say a lot, there are a lot of plans ... time will pass, everything will settle down, it will become more or less clear.

Look how many life-affirming news appeared on New Year's Eve (including on "VO")!
I agree, I'm glad ... The mood is ... Again, TV takes longer than usual ... That's just, - some of the "Christmas tree gifts", upon closer examination, should have taken place a year earlier, or even earlier ...

[rocket757]

Holidays ... everyone wants more positive!
Nothing, the holidays will end, the amusing couples will evaporate from the body, then we will objectively reason and we will, the majority, at least.

[storm]

The modernization of the Su-30SM to the SM2 level had to be carried out back in 2015. when the Su-35S was adopted.
But it's better late than never ...

[demiurg]

Modernization should be carried out when the replaced parts have no resource left. And it is advisable to guess for the next repair. It makes no sense to shoot another working engine right now, if another factory repair is brewing in a year and a half.

And then the lyrics.

People got drunk then. 4 cars a year is not enough. The French Rafaley do less a year and do not suffer. The Swedes of the Grippens rivet by the piece a year, and nothing, the world has not collapsed from this. The Americans will produce about the same number of new Needles.

The Gooney business is alive and well. The manual does not change at all over the years. It is only the name of the thing that changes for what they are suffering.
... we won't be able to release ....
... single issue ... (by the way, the discussion goes here)
... the USA has more, it needs 50/100/500 ...
And the obligatory mention of saws. Without this, mayonnaise is not given to mivina.

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: demiurg

Modernization should be carried out when the replaced parts have no resource left

This is called renovation.
And modernization is when the equipment of the last century is changed to a new one with a corresponding increase in capabilities.

[SovAr238A]

Quote: demiurg

Modernization should be carried out when the replaced parts have no resource left. And it is advisable to guess for the next repair. It makes no sense to shoot another working engine right now, if another factory repair is brewing in a year and a half.

And then the lyrics.

People got drunk then. 4 cars a year is not enough. The French Rafaley do less a year and do not suffer. The Swedes of the Grippens rivet by the piece a year, and nothing, the world has not collapsed from this. The Americans will produce about the same number of new Needles.

The Gooney business is alive and well. The manual does not change at all over the years. It is only the name of the thing that changes for what they are suffering.
... we won't be able to release ....
... single issue ... (by the way, the discussion goes here)
... the USA has more, it needs 50/100/500 ...
And the obligatory mention of saws. Without this, mayonnaise is not given to mivina.

Now think about such a thing as a manufacturing process.
When will you make the engines? when the cancer hangs on the gover?
Assemble the engine - you need to start work in 2 years.
And if you need the engines only after 5 years - what to do with the workers from the factories?
To the market? Sell ​​clothes? As it was in the 90s ...
So they did not return to the factories in the 90s.
And you will not return them, and you will destroy the entire industry.
Economy and economics are two big differences.
Don't try to talk about what you just don't know.

[Momento]

in 2015 there was probably no mass production of engines and radars. so everything is normal. I wonder if there will be an upgrade of the old Su-30 or just the release of new ones?

[p0pulivox]

Quote: Canis Aureus

Quote: . PIXY.

1 aircraft in the army, even if it has not been adopted for service, and 4 that have not yet left the assembly line, this is not a series, but a piece production. It is a fact.

There is no need to breed Russophobia and antipatriotism.

[Igor Valimukhametov]

And where to hurry? Two years of testing a tried-and-true engine many times - there was no smarter excuse? Miraculous things are happening in our military-industrial complex. We build a corvette for seven years, and then it burns out from welding, then we test the Armata for seven years, then to announce it. unnecessary in large quantities, then we sink the last aircraft carrier, and before that it almost burned down. Maybe it's time to clean out "effective", thieves managers from there?

[dreamshake]

Armata was launched into series for several days, aircraft carriers are a relic of the past with hypersonic weapons and long-range supersonic UAVs, the Su-57 is being brought to mind, taking into account the great unification of the main nodes with the future 75m and being built along the way. What's wrong?

[EvilLion]

It is not the engine that is tested, but the aircraft as a whole.

[EMMM]

As I read this news, I think how many billions of rubles in the form of empty Su-57 gliders are today in the KnAAPO warehouse without engines.

[Sergey3]

Why are there no motors? Please enlighten. For some reason, I thought that the AL-41F-1C engine had been serial for a long time.

[Zaurbek]

+ an overhead container with optics and here it is a single tactical bomber fighter. For some reason, they pushed the second OLS down into the MiG35 ... ... and they save on the Su30 cm3, although the Su35S pilots wrote that they perfectly detect targets on the ground through the OLS .... But dimensions interfere

[Zaurbek]

In general, it was right to make a 2-seater Su35 ... .. it has the most modern glider. Apparently, export Su30 haunts

[1Alexey]

Quote: Zaurbek

In general, it was right to make a 2-seater Su35 ... .. it has the most modern glider.

Then it's better to make a 2-seater Su-57. In my opinion, it is he who has the most modern glider.

[Zaurbek]

From T10 I mean ..... Su27 ... Su30, Su34, Su35

[Lonely loner]

A radar on the likeness of "Squirrels" put there, please.

[FRoman1984]

Replacing the very old Bars radar with the old Irbis. Yes, modernization.
Apparently "Belka" could not be put into production. It is curious that, after all, they installed one single serial Su-57.

[EvilLion]

Apparently you have nothing to do with the "squirrel" to say anything at all.

[Sergey3]

I don’t understand one thing, why test a serial engine for so long?

[this]

With planes, this is not a car for you, the scribe did not calculate the alignment there, the car will just stop, but the plane will fall. In general, with all airplanes, it takes a long time, they don't have it quickly, because they are tough, and even they do not save from disasters.

[V means B]

And su-57 again in any way?)))))))