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American press: USA may sacrifice the Baltic countries for the sake of an agreement with Russia

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The United States could make a deal with Russia and exclude several countries from NATO for the sake of an agreement with Moscow. We are talking about the Baltic republics, writes American analyst David Pine in an article for The National Interest.


According to the expert, Washington can sacrifice the Baltic states for the sake of concluding an agreement with Moscow. According to Pine, the option with the exclusion of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia from NATO has the right to life, such a scenario is not ruled out. According to him, Russian President Vladimir Putin demanded the withdrawal of the alliance's troops from the territory of Eastern Europe and guarantees that NATO would not expand to the east. The option with the Baltic countries just suits Putin's requirements, especially since the United States does not have vital interests in the Baltic countries. In addition, militarily, the republics are rather weak and can only act as a springboard for military operations.

The United States has no vital interests in the Baltic republics. The recent war games have shown that the United States will lose to Russia if a struggle unfolds there (in the Baltics)

- said the analyst.

On the other hand, the author writes, the United States may not make concessions to Russia and everything will remain in place. So far, Washington is calling the Russian demands unacceptable, but everything will be clear at the talks, which are to take place in the near future.

Let us recall that at the end of December last year, Russia put forward demands on the United States and NATO to guarantee the non-expansion of the North Atlantic bloc further to the east and the withdrawal of NATO troops from the Russian borders. After that, Putin had a telephone conversation with Baden, the parties discussed the upcoming Russian-American talks, which are planned to be held on January 10, 2022.
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  1. Olgovich
    Olgovich 3 January 2022 08: 06
    +26
    Russia does not demand any "sacrifices", but offers EQUAL security for both sides.
    1. Ilya-spb
      Ilya-spb 3 January 2022 08: 40
      +27
      I got the feeling of some kind of performance ...

      The USA and Europe will not concede to Russia. What next, I ask you? (With)
      And nothing.

      I see one recipe for accommodating the United States and its satellites.
      This is the return of the country to socialism and the complete destruction of the "fifth" column.
      1. mikh-korsakov
        mikh-korsakov 3 January 2022 08: 58
        +7
        Ilya. I support. The article is stupid. From the series it may be zugzwangonal, but it may not be. I quote "President Vladimir Putin demanded the withdrawal of alliance troops from the territory of Eastern Europe and guarantees that NATO will not expand to the east." This is from the series "our business is to offer - your business to refuse." Even the eternally neutral Finland has already stated, like, but we will join now, and what will you do to us?
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 3 January 2022 10: 15
          +3
          American press: USA may sacrifice the Baltic countries for the sake of an agreement with Russia

          The USA can really donate the Baltic countries.
          However, at the same time, it looks very strange that right now, in fact, Finland clearly wants to take the functions of the Baltic states in geopolitics, which is also informally, in fact, already a member of NATO and supports the Kiev regime of Zelensky in Ukraine.
          1. Shurik70
            Shurik70 3 January 2022 22: 42
            +1
            The United States will donate someone only in one case - if it is beneficial.
            In this case, anyone will donate.
            Losing NATO members is not profitable for them in the long term, since they are really preparing for a war with Russia. They will not lose such a convenient foothold
            1. Tatyana
              Tatyana 3 January 2022 23: 05
              +1
              Quote: Shurik70
              The United States will donate someone only in one case - if it is beneficial.
              In this case, anyone will donate.
              Losing NATO members is not profitable for them in the long term, since they are really preparing for a war with Russia. They will not lose such a convenient foothold

              That's right, only now the stakes are too high for Russia and the United States, as never before. Namely.

              Or the United States with the hands of NATO and Ukraine from the military bridgehead of Ukraine, etc. attack Russia - they critically weaken it, or Russia from the very first minutes of the armed conflict immediately hits the territory of the United States! And then China is the geopolitical leader on the planet, not the United States.

              What is more important for the United States? Destruction of US territory by Russian forces with the loss of world hegemonism, or should the Americans cede Ukraine to Russia? Probably cede Ukraine to Russia.
              Is this how Russia is now posing this question to the United States in its meaning?
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 4 January 2022 17: 07
                +1
                The surrender of the United States / the West of the Baltic States and even Ukraine is a possible option, but most likely unlikely. I suppose they will try, as always, to tighten, chat and whirl. We'll probably have to win back. And it will start from Ukraine. smile
        2. Third district
          Third district 4 January 2022 16: 04
          -1
          There is only one answer to this article, from the classics: "The tradition is fresh, but hard to believe."
        3. isv000
          isv000 4 January 2022 19: 42
          0
          Quote: mikh-korsakov
          Even the eternally neutral Finland has already stated, like, but we will join now, and what will you do to us?

          Dates are not fools, they have a memory. They were already part of the RI, and had a reason to return to their place following the results of WWII. On the third attempt to turn into the Chukhonskaya province, they hardly have a desire ...
      2. nnm
        nnm 3 January 2022 09: 17
        +6
        Colleague, in my opinion, everything is not so simple:
        1. Since negotiations on the requirements have been scheduled, the United States and the West are already ready to discuss them, not reject them. Yes, and our requirements are - "ask for the impossible, you will get the maximum."
        2. I would like to clarify: who will determine who belongs to which column, according to what principles, and what, in your opinion, should be done with these people?
        1. sustav75
          sustav75 3 January 2022 12: 55
          -3
          Yes, the Americans sneezed at Putin's conditions! What they want, they will do.
          1. isv000
            isv000 4 January 2022 19: 46
            0
            Quote: sustav75
            Yes, the Americans sneezed at Putin's conditions! What they want, they will do.

            Striped are not ready to break off diplomatic relations with Russia. Europe needs to be told in more detail about the SS-2 route and from such a perspective they will obviously get sick. And let's not forget that our design bureaus are working and drawings are being drawn ...
        2. mikh-korsakov
          mikh-korsakov 3 January 2022 13: 05
          +2
          nnm. Please accept my congratulations on the past holiday, and if suddenly it is unpleasant for you, then do not accept it. According to claim 1. In the words of Woland, "you think, a binomial of Newton," in the place of the West, anyone would agree to enter into long negotiations on the topic "let's do this, we will not deploy missiles in Ukraine, and in return you will withdraw them from the Kaliningrad region ...". Well, as it were, everything is in business, everything is for detente, and in the meantime, airfields in Ukraine are being rebuilt to meet NATO standards, and warehouses are being built. We see this and sharply criticize, and they give us, and you first, bring it out, well, bring it out. Well, something like this. Of course, everything happens according to all the rules of diplomatic art. And such rubbish ... By the way, our Foreign Ministry has already spoken out that we will not allow the negotiations to get bogged down, but then gave the back, saying that we are not setting a time frame, because some people want everything to be neat. And if so, then we will get bogged down.
          2. About the columns, and what to do with them. What can you do with them? Stop supplying Finland with round timber. So they already agree on their technologies to process our round timber into semi-finished products, it is cheaper to transport. Even though they are in NATO, even though not in NATO, the efficiency of the economy has not been canceled. That is, they want to - they will enter. Also, I see no leverage that could prevent Ukraine from joining NATO. If the management sees them, they know better, then they are the bosses. Personally, I only want Ukraine not to join NATO. But the fact that someone thinks that the presence of zircons, poseidons, etc. in our country can influence the decision of the West. - this is an obvious lie, because even if Ukraine is admitted to NATO, we will not use any of the above, it is even beneficial for the West that this wonderful weapon would become a burden on our economy. ... As well as the West will not be the first to attack Russia from Ukraine. It is only important for them to finally fix the geopolitical collapse of the Russian Federation in Ukraine in 2014.
      3. maksbazhin
        maksbazhin 3 January 2022 09: 23
        -3
        This is not a play - this is politics. They didn’t send it right away, so we have something to discuss. We have something to offer, we have something to sacrifice (Syria, Donbass, hypersound, INF, Poseidons) and yes, we have something to threaten (up to a military alliance with China).
        1. isv000
          isv000 4 January 2022 19: 53
          0
          Quote: maksbazhin
          and yes, we have something to threaten (up to a military alliance with China).

          We have something to answer without China. The experience of life "under the curtain" is, we will live. You can also walk along the Chinese path - the same option. All you need to do is to give bream to your dealers, and to transfer the thieves ...
      4. Dart2027
        Dart2027 3 January 2022 09: 42
        +11
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        I see one recipe for accommodating the United States and its satellites.
        This is the return of the country to socialism and the complete destruction of the "fifth" column.

        Yes, calm down with your utopia. If the communists come to power in Russia, then there will be a holiday in the United States.
        1. Andrey Moskvin
          Andrey Moskvin 3 January 2022 10: 05
          +3
          And what are the communists in Russia? I know one thing, and he hangs around here.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 3 January 2022 10: 36
            0
            Quote: Andrey Moskvin
            I know one thing

            Personally, I am already familiar with one.
      5. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 3 January 2022 09: 55
        +3
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        This is the return of the country to socialism and the complete destruction of the "fifth" column.

        And then what?
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 3 January 2022 12: 50
          -1
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          And then what?

          Yes, not worse than the role of the capitalist appendage and rump.
          Then there is normal medicine, normal education, and further down the list instead of those who were pillaged by the "reformers".
          During the transition period, yes, a civil scuffle with the participation of external stakeholders is possible. Not new. We passed.
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 3 January 2022 13: 39
            +5
            Any shock and rebuilding will weaken the country. Where are the guarantees that medicine, etc., will get better, not worse?
            Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
            Not new. We passed.

            Well, yes. With blood, brother to brother and all that, really passed and worse than the civil war, it's hard to come up with something. Do you like stepping on a rake?
        2. isv000
          isv000 4 January 2022 19: 55
          0
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          And then what?

          Plant potatoes and teach girls to cook in labor lessons and make birdhouses for boys!
      6. Ulad
        Ulad 3 January 2022 10: 48
        +1
        Quite right! The states, like a school bully, understand only the language of force and kick only the weak. We are only kicked because we allow it. It's time to become a strong nation again and to unite peoples again.
        1. isv000
          isv000 4 January 2022 19: 57
          0
          Quote: Ulad
          It's time to become a strong nation again and to unite peoples again.

          I have a toast: if only there was no war! drinks
      7. Piramidon
        Piramidon 3 January 2022 11: 12
        +8
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        the return of the country to socialism and the complete destruction of the "fifth" column.

        Who will return? Lenin, Stalin, Dzerzhinsky ... do you have any? Zyuganov, Grudinin, etc. Do not offer
        1. isv000
          isv000 4 January 2022 19: 58
          0
          Quote: Piramidon
          Who will return? Lenin, Stalin, Dzerzhinsky ... do you have any? Zyuganov, Grudinin, etc. Do not offer

          Lukashenko, Rykhorich ... good
      8. DED_peer_DED
        DED_peer_DED 5 January 2022 02: 37
        -1
        Quote: Ilya-spb
        I got the feeling of some kind of performance ...

        You are not alone.
        If you remember and start counting all the ties of local government and economy to the West, it just becomes ridiculous. How are we going to scare the West?
        The fact that "two siblings" decided to show each other their fists?
        They didn't share their pocket money, got offended and shouted at each other.
        The essence is the same, kindred, and "Their scolding only amuse themselves."
    2. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 3 January 2022 08: 42
      +6
      but offers EQUAL security for both sides.

      What is it like ?
      For the United States, the concept of equal security is completely absent.
  2. Or me
    Or me 3 January 2022 08: 09
    +10
    The United States could make a deal with Russia and exclude several countries from NATO for the sake of an agreement with Moscow. We are talking about the Baltic republics, writes American analyst David Pine
    and right there, without leaving the checkout
    On the other hand, the author writes, the United States may not make concessions to Russia and everything will remain in place.
    The usual chatter.
    1. alex neym_2
      alex neym_2 3 January 2022 08: 23
      +9
      Exclude Tribals? The legend is fresh, but this nonsense is hard to believe - after all, it’s a bridgehead right next to Russia.
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      2. bayard
        bayard 3 January 2022 09: 49
        -4
        If they want war, they will never give it up, just like Ukraine.
        If they are really tired and need a respite and ordering of the world, they may well give it back. The costs of both NATO and the EU for the maintenance of these limitrophes are considerable.
        Until 14.01.2022/XNUMX/XNUMX, they must finally decide and give an answer.
        Since January 15.01.2022, XNUMX, the hands of the Russian Federation have been untied.
        In the meantime, the gas valve is slowly screwed on bully It is their own fault - there are no supply contracts. And the main cold is ahead.
        1. isv000
          isv000 4 January 2022 20: 03
          0
          Quote: bayard
          The costs of both NATO and the EU for the maintenance of these limitrophes are considerable.

          Only a cutlet from Lithuania sucks $ 400 lamas a year ...
      3. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 3 January 2022 09: 51
        0
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        Exclude Tribals? The legend is fresh, but this nonsense is hard to believe - after all, it’s a bridgehead right next to Russia.

        Why not? To replace three poor Baltic beggars with one relatively stable and economically secure Finnish "partner" with a fairly good military potential is quite in the interests of Washington and NATO. It was not for nothing that yesterday the Finns voiced what they also wanted to join NATO. Here, it seems, began to increase rates in the upcoming trading. Russia will not agree, and therefore they will have a reason to say - "Well, we offered to demilitarize the Baltic states, but you yourself refused," while Finland may remain in the same conditionally neutral position and will not lose anything, or it may not remain ... Stir up mattresses before bidding. Then Ze was allowed to the phone so that he and Bidon would talk, exactly a week before the start of negotiations. What controllers did they get him there? Maybe again there will be a provocation in the Donbass with an attempt to drag Russia into the conflict in order to give the mattresses a reason to disrupt the negotiations altogether, accusing Russia of aggression and preserving the existing status quo. winked
        1. korabelnikoffevgeny
          korabelnikoffevgeny 3 January 2022 10: 38
          +1
          Why change?
          Just like that Finland without any * change * is it possible that NATO should be admitted?
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 3 January 2022 13: 31
            0
            Quote: korabelnikoffevgeny
            Why change?
            Just like that Finland without any * change * is it possible that NATO should be admitted?
            In essence, this sentence (if any) would mean a dummy. Bluff. Such an exchange for mattresses is absolutely not critical, and for Russia it is a priori unacceptable, i.e. in fact will be rejected.
            Finland is formally a neutral country and de facto it is already in NATO, which suits the United States quite well. If Russia agrees, then the Finns' membership in NATO will only have to be formalized legally, and the Baltic states will still remain in the NATO sphere, only without a foreign military contingent and without expanding NATO's infrastructure, but it will still be quite useful for the transfer of troops.
          2. isv000
            isv000 4 January 2022 20: 07
            0
            Quote: korabelnikoffevgeny
            Why change?
            Just like that Finland without any * change * is it possible that NATO should be admitted?

            Why are they there? As allies, they are not at all, their territory is visible and shot through - they will not have time to stick something there as it will already be on the tablets - why THAT is in NATO ?! belay
      4. your1970
        your1970 3 January 2022 09: 57
        +5
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        Exclude Tribals? The legend is fresh, but this nonsense is hard to believe - after all, it’s a bridgehead right next to Russia.

        What role can this bridgehead play in the event of a war with the Russian Federation?
        To land a million and a half or two million (less is simply pointless) infantry? So this technically impossible..
        To place something there? It is so obvious - due to the small size of the territory, it will be destroyed or captured by us instantly at the slightest nix.

        Limitrophs are not a springboard, they are a (political) splinter in an inconvenient place for the Russian Federation ...
        1. Pete mitchell
          Pete mitchell 3 January 2022 11: 48
          +1
          Quote: your1970
          What role can this bridgehead play in the event of a war with the Russian Federation? ...
          These territories cannot be a springboard for an attack: it is impossible to accumulate secretly significant forces. The only role that has been prepared for them since '96 is that they have become such attack warning structure - if the Russian Federation is the first to move to the west, which I myself do not believe in, then the stopwatches will be turned on in the control centers of Europe: the countdown will start. In addition, the provision of this infrastructure was done at the expense of the aborigines: the staff got off with "cookies" and earned.
          They have successfully become a springboard for an inadequate policy - you can't argue with that: they cheat and try to shit
        2. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 3 January 2022 12: 59
          0
          Quote: your1970
          Limitrophs are not a springboard, they are a (political) splinter in an inconvenient place for the Russian Federation ...

          +1
          And a little economic.
      5. Xlor
        Xlor 3 January 2022 10: 45
        +4
        after all, but still a bridgehead right next to Russia

        Therefore, they demand to exclude them from NATO ...
      6. prior
        prior 3 January 2022 11: 09
        0
        A military operation to force the Baltic states to withdraw from NATO.
        It may be delusional, but it may not be delusional. But how it sounds!
        After such a delusional operation, and no one will agree to die because of the Balts, those who want to join NATO without Russia's consent will be significantly reduced.
        1. isv000
          isv000 4 January 2022 20: 11
          0
          Quote: prior
          A military operation to force the Baltic states to withdraw from NATO.
          It may be delusional, but it may not be delusional. But how it sounds!
          After such a delusional operation, and no one will agree to die because of the Balts, those who want to join NATO without Russia's consent will be significantly reduced.

          Who cares for them ?! VVP clearly said to them: they entered - stick around - nobody can give a damn for nothing ...
      7. oa_dam
        oa_dam 3 January 2022 11: 32
        +3
        Yes, this is impossible, neither theoretically, practically - NATO is not the Komsomol, its statutory documents do not provide for exclusion from NATO members. Even if the United States really wanted to exclude the three Baltic countries from NATO, how would it do it in practice?
        1. Pandiurin
          Pandiurin 4 January 2022 17: 29
          0
          Quote: oa_dam
          Yes, this is impossible, neither theoretically, practically - NATO is not the Komsomol, its statutory documents do not provide for exclusion from NATO members. Even if the United States really wanted to exclude the three Baltic countries from NATO, how would it do it in practice?


          1. Introduce the exclusion procedure into the charter.
          2. To exclude.

          Recently, the former NATO Secretary General proposed to include Ukraine and Georgia in NATO, and to circumvent the territorial integrity (Crimea, Abkhazia, Ossetia, LDNR) in the following way, to give security guarantees from NATO with the exception of these territories.

          Enlargement of NATO is highly creative and flexible.

          From the Baltics, and can also theoretically be creative, there would be a desire. It is quite possible that they entered with violations) Therefore, they can not be ruled out, but cancel the entry as carried out with serious violations. The border is not completely demarcated by the republics, the ratification has not been carried out.
          Some Baltic states put forward territorial claims in relation to Russia.

          The question is rather a political one: NATO will not want to get rid of the Baltic states.
        2. isv000
          isv000 4 January 2022 20: 13
          0
          Quote: oa_dam
          Yes, this is impossible, neither theoretically, practically - NATO is not the Komsomol, its statutory documents do not provide for exclusion from NATO members.

          Well, then you won't get far from the Komsomol, they clamped tightly ...
      8. LiSiCyn
        LiSiCyn 3 January 2022 12: 36
        0
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        after all, but still a bridgehead right next to Russia.

        The coronavirus is undermining Estonia's military might.

        Problems in production chains and global price increases have made it difficult to supply orders for the Estonian Defense Forces, according to ERR.

        As the newspaper writes, Estonia has made large investments in the military sector. In particular, it purchased self-propelled howitzers from South Korea, and also entered into an agreement for the supply of anti-ship missiles and small arms.

        However, arms purchases are now growing all over the world, so there is a queue even for such simple components as gunpowder.

        "In the case of the timing of deliveries of large-caliber ammunition, we used to talk about 12, maybe 18 months, and now they are close to two years," said Director of the Center for Defense Investments Magnus-Valdemar Saar.
        There will be no cartridges, in short ... wink
      9. isv000
        isv000 4 January 2022 20: 02
        0
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        Exclude Tribals? The legend is fresh, but this nonsense is hard to believe - after all, it’s a bridgehead right next to Russia.

        In modern realities, all these "bridgeheads" turn into dust in the very first seconds of a global conflict, while the rest of the nishtyaks are still flying towards their goals ...
    2. isv000
      isv000 4 January 2022 19: 59
      0
      Quote: Elijah
      On the other hand, the author writes, the United States may not make concessions to Russia and everything will remain in place.

      ... this bad person will betray at the first opportunity ... hi
  3. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 January 2022 08: 11
    +1
    Realized that in the event of a mess the Baltic States could not be kept, and decided to immediately disown it? And how will NATO allies feel in this case? Any Montenegro and Romania? Also not too powerful militarily. Dump them like ballast? laughing
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 3 January 2022 08: 35
      +6
      And how will NATO allies feel in this case?

      The sheriff doesn't care about the throwing of the Indians. The United States easily merged Afghanistan, so merging the Balts is not a question at all. Nothing personal, so to speak.
      Another question is, will the United States accept many of our demands? Indeed, in fact, the Russian Federation kicked the hegemon in the soft spot and, taking it by the tie, demanded guarantees for itself. For the Anglo-Saxons, insolence is unheard of. (Which is confirmed by the articles of their media) I don’t remember the same behavior from other countries, except the USSR. China sent Americans there a couple of times, the North Koreans ignored it, but that's all ...
      1. korabelnikoffevgeny
        korabelnikoffevgeny 3 January 2022 10: 53
        +2
        *** USA easily merged Afghanistan ***
        What makes you think that the United States has leaked something in Afghanistan?
        Now the Taliban will climb into the former republics of the USSR and from there to us ... So Russia will not have time for the Baltics at all
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 3 January 2022 12: 53
          +1
          What makes you think that the United States has leaked something in Afghanistan?

          Since the Taliban was not defeated, terrorism was not defeated there, but by throwing billions of dollars there they did not achieve anything. And the haste of withdrawal of the warriors also damaged their reputation quite well.
          Now the Taliban will climb into the former republics of the USSR and from there to us.

          Why would it suddenly? They declared about the struggle for their country against the invasion and they won their war. There was no talk of a world caliphate there. It is highly doubtful that they will even climb into neighboring countries. To fight on your own territory is one thing, to fight on someone else's is quite another.
          And one more thing: they talk to the Russian Federation through diplomatic channels, our diplomatic corps is there, the Taliban leadership has clear positions not to touch the Russians. So while no one is climbing anywhere.
          So Russia will have no time for the Baltics at all

          But some of the Baltic states are striving to snatch it in the tail for their statements and actions. So there is still the question of who will unleash the conflict faster.
      2. isv000
        isv000 4 January 2022 20: 15
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        North Koreans ignored, but that's all ...

        The DPRK ignored so much that now they have forgotten the road there ... bully
    2. DymOk_v_dYmke
      DymOk_v_dYmke 3 January 2022 13: 01
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Dump them like ballast?

      The striped ones merged a lot.
      1. isv000
        isv000 4 January 2022 20: 32
        0
        Quote: DymOk_v_dYmke
        The striped ones merged a lot.

        It's time to drain the striped ones themselves! am
        1. DymOk_v_dYmke
          DymOk_v_dYmke 5 January 2022 00: 04
          +1
          Quote: isv000
          It's time to drain the striped ones themselves!

          It's time, but it looks like this process will have to be outsourced to China. laughing
    3. Incvizitor
      Incvizitor 3 January 2022 13: 14
      0
      The authorities will always normally feel they are the governors of the Amerzian occupiers at the trough if they dump something like a Sahak and the main contingent there will be sided with everything, even under the Nazis, even under other fascists.
  4. ximkim
    ximkim 3 January 2022 08: 14
    -1
    This is fantastic.
    Here's a twist from American analyst David Pine.
    It's clear. The negotiations will be complex and uncompromising.
  5. sleeve
    sleeve 3 January 2022 08: 20
    +6
    What is wrong with the safety belt? Yes, let them remain NATO members. Without the deployment of bases and troops and strike systems. Your troops and that's it. The same goes for Poland and Hungary and Slovakia and Romania to the heap. Global war with NATO is a global war, universal. We will honestly leave as many troops in the West (or even less, taking into account Belarus) as these countries will deploy. And everyone will be contented and happy.
    1. maksbazhin
      maksbazhin 3 January 2022 09: 16
      +1
      Most likely, this will be summed up in the end. It was necessary to leave room for maneuver for mutual concessions, and therefore the requirements are as stringent as possible.
    2. ball
      ball 3 January 2022 09: 55
      0
      Yeah
      Throw the bone to the mad dog, let him get away ...
      We'll have to give something back.
      What are you offering?
      1. isv000
        isv000 4 January 2022 20: 36
        +1
        Quote: ball
        gu
        Throw the bone to the mad dog, let him get away ...
        We'll have to give something back.
        What are you offering?

        You...
  6. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 January 2022 08: 31
    +7
    Most likely, the United States will not leave the Baltic states. Perhaps they will promise not to go into Central Asia and the Caucasus. Even if they sign pieces of paper, they will be just pieces of paper. In Ukraine, everything is complicated, there you need to fight off everything invested. So it is not excluded "the last and decisive" in the end. It is possible that this will be followed by a section of the country.
  7. rotfuks
    rotfuks 3 January 2022 08: 33
    0
    do they want to drain the Baltic tigers?
  8. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 3 January 2022 08: 50
    +2
    Lazha and whipping up hysteria, there the guys are already in NATO - cut off to break.
  9. yuriy55
    yuriy55 3 January 2022 08: 56
    +3
    According to the expertWashington may sacrifice the Baltic states to conclude an agreement with Moscow.

    All such experts ...
    A politician (political expert) must be able to predict what will happen tomorrow, in a week, in a month and in a year. And then explain why this did not happen.

  10. Denis Doesn't matter
    Denis Doesn't matter 3 January 2022 08: 59
    -2
    Russia needs to station nuclear weapons in Cuba.
    1. Grits
      Grits 3 January 2022 11: 31
      +1
      Quote: Denis Doesn't matter
      Russia needs to station nuclear weapons in Cuba.

      The Cubans now jumped for joy and clapped their hands ...
    2. isv000
      isv000 4 January 2022 21: 09
      0
      Quote: Denis Doesn't matter
      Russia needs to station nuclear weapons in Cuba.

      There is no need to place anything anywhere, and without that there is something to spend money on. But hone your ability to ground satellites will not be superfluous! The Hegemon will be confused, blinded at once! Or maybe this is our "trump card" up the sleeve ?!
  11. cniza
    cniza 3 January 2022 09: 03
    +3
    According to Pine, the option with the exclusion of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia from NATO has the right to life, such a scenario is not ruled out.


    This will definitely not happen, but it would not hurt us ...
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 3 January 2022 10: 59
      +2
      This is THEIR chUmodan, with a handle, without a handle, now they, just like that, will not leave him.
      1. Pete mitchell
        Pete mitchell 3 January 2022 11: 57
        +3
        Quote: rocket757
        This is THEIR chUMmodan .... they, just like that, will not leave him.
        They will never leave him, but why? The necessary infrastructure for the staff has been created / monitoring the airspace and the Baltic, logistic / and at the expense of the natives; from the point of view of the use of forces, Nata is a dead-end corner, which is easier to leave than to protect; and this is a very convenient map for negotiations between staff members with the Russian Federation - you don't need to ask the opinion of the natives how the big guys will agree - so it will be: We are looking for examples of this in history ...... A useful chumodan for the staff ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 5 January 2022 10: 42
          +1
          Quote: Pete Mitchell
          A useful chumodan for the staff ...

          Helpful fools to have on hand ... some people think that's the way to go.
          Boom to see.
          1. Pete mitchell
            Pete mitchell 5 January 2022 15: 15
            0
            Quote: rocket757
            We have such a rotten swamp, close by, not ice at all. You never know what can crawl out from there, certainly not good.
            hi It would be interesting for Russia if this swamp lived by its own interests, and not by the interests of the uncle, but unfortunately ...
            Quote: rocket757
            .. some people think that this is how it should be ..
            and some of these uncle and put to the trough to breed "democracy" ...
            The fate of the Baltic impasse has, in principle, already been determined, and the interests the sheriff's indians don't bother..
      2. isv000
        isv000 4 January 2022 21: 13
        +1
        Quote: rocket757
        This is THEIR chUmodan, with a handle, without a handle, now they, just like that, will not leave him.

        For us, these labuses with chukhnaya are the same purple - let them run around with this bag!
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 5 January 2022 10: 40
          +1
          We have such a rotten swamp, close by, not ice at all. You never know what can crawl out from there, certainly not good.
  12. Emergency
    Emergency 3 January 2022 09: 06
    0
    It looks like the Baltic ferrets got them great, that, in their thoughts, they are already trying to expel them from NATO under a plausible pretext. laughing
  13. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 3 January 2022 09: 12
    +2
    Just not to "sacrifice" countries, but simply and corny to give a damn about them. And so yes. wink
  14. Andrei Nikolaevich
    Andrei Nikolaevich 3 January 2022 10: 06
    +2
    Not very convincing .. Will the USA state their plans on the VO website? .. With regard to the Baltic states, the withdrawal of these three regional centers from NATO means only one or minus three tanks and three aircraft from the entire fleet of the alliance's equipment. Oh yes! Forgot! Also, minus a battalion of old grandfathers in felt hats and scarves. And this is power!)))
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 3 January 2022 12: 08
      +2
      Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich
      the exit of these three regional centers from NATO means only one or minus three ...

      Eh Andrey Nikolaevich hi , I do not agree with you - I don’t care about their tanks and guns: the territory there is important, on which the staff members, at the expense of local budgets, developed the infrastructure they needed for the citizens. Well, butting with Russia, I hope only at the negotiating table, you can always use this Baltic map - solid pluses for staff members - and they don't need more
  15. riwas
    riwas 3 January 2022 10: 08
    +5
    US may sacrifice Baltic states for agreement with Russia

    The United States will not make any sacrifices. Everyone understands this, except for the author of the article. The United States is preaching a tough offensive course against Russia.
  16. BAI
    BAI 3 January 2022 10: 22
    +5
    The United States may not make concessions to Russia and everything will remain in place.

    There will be no concessions. Moreover, the expulsion of someone from NATO. This political defeat for the United States and for the United States is completely unacceptable.
    This is a justification for possible hostilities in Ukraine. And only for internal use.
  17. Xlor
    Xlor 3 January 2022 10: 48
    +3
    Quote: rotfuks
    do they want to drain the Baltic tigers?

    My old and shabby cat is at times "tiger" than these cardboard "tigers" ... wink
  18. vervolk
    vervolk 3 January 2022 10: 57
    -1
    the further the more I think that America has no nuclear war potential. seems to be really ready for any concessions
  19. rocket757
    rocket757 3 January 2022 10: 57
    0
    American press: USA may sacrifice the Baltic countries for the sake of an agreement with Russia
    ... What has to do with excluding / not excluding?
    The question was different .... what they thought up for themselves, it is better to have a Bite and smoke less "bamboo".
  20. Ewiak ryzzard
    Ewiak ryzzard 3 January 2022 11: 11
    -3
    Russia is returning and this is not a coincidence. God announces: “At the appointed time [the king of the north] will return back.” - Daniel 11: 29a. What does this mean in this context? In short, it means the end of the unipolar world. Russia will regain the influence it lost after the collapse of the USSR. It also means a significant weakening of the US. Not only the eurozone will collapse, but also the EU and NATO. Many countries of the former Warsaw Pact will return to an alliance with Russia. The previous prediction that some time after the triumphant end of World War II, servicemen from Soviet military bases would return to their land was fulfilled in the same spectacular manner (Daniel 11: 28b). It is no accident that the Soviet Union and the Warsaw Pact collapsed, and these servicemen left Europe in 1991-1993. The ground for the realization of this prediction was prepared in advance. Currently, Heaven is preparing the ground for the fulfillment of the next prophecy, which will be fulfilled at the time appointed by God. And He watches over it (Jeremiah 1:12; see also Isaiah 14:27).
  21. Sergej1972
    Sergej1972 3 January 2022 11: 28
    +4
    Does the NATO Charter provide for the exclusion of countries from the organization without their consent? And on what basis?
    1. Pete mitchell
      Pete mitchell 3 January 2022 12: 01
      0
      Quote: Sergej1972
      And the NATO Charter provides for the exclusion of countries from
      I think the interests of the staff do not provide for the exclusion of any territories ... consent they do not ask anyone about their actions, what I hope will change
  22. Ulysses
    Ulysses 3 January 2022 11: 54
    +1
    According to the expert, Washington can sacrifice the Baltic states for the sake of concluding an agreement with Moscow. According to Pine, the option with the exclusion of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia from NATO has the right to life, such a scenario is not ruled out.


    "Beware of the Danes who bring gifts."
    The Anglo-Saxons, in exchange for this worthless husk, will demand a break in relations with China.
  23. Knell wardenheart
    Knell wardenheart 3 January 2022 12: 02
    +3
    The National Interest
    ... When I saw the headline, I immediately thought "Oh, well, probably NOR writes" and was not mistaken) Most of this blizzard that excites Russian minds comes from NI, because the staff of this publication is more than full of our former compatriots. It is impossible to seriously consider the prospect of excluding the Baltic states from NATO, any speculation about it is pure hype. The United States can withdraw some kind of contingents from their territory, but this is the maximum. You have to understand that Europe is not Afghanistan forgotten by God. In Europe, the Americans have excellent and well-oiled supplies, in Europe their warriors do not die on mines and the local European population is culturally consonant with the Americans - why should they leave these territories? Because we like that?) Maybe Uncle Sam spends a lot on the Baltics? Or maybe we are building bases in Venezuela right now? When, in general, do you remember America's such "attraction of unprecedented generosity" in foreign policy? I personally don’t remember. And to hope that this will suddenly happen is naive.
  24. Salavatsky Ministry of Emergency Situations
    -1
    I don’t understand that we will soon have a Baltic military district? wassat
  25. Yuri Siritsky_2
    Yuri Siritsky_2 3 January 2022 13: 05
    -1
    It was NOT figs to get in there. Then no sacrifices are needed.
  26. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 3 January 2022 13: 10
    -1
    I doubt that these are not completely needed at all, someone needs them, even if the FSA refuses them, I see no reason to free them.
  27. garik77
    garik77 3 January 2022 14: 20
    0
    Quote: Mountain Shooter
    Realized that in the event of a mess the Baltic States could not be kept, and decided to immediately disown it? And how will NATO allies feel in this case? Any Montenegro and Romania? Also not too powerful militarily. Dump them like ballast? laughing

    What for? Let them eat meat. Cannon. Do not send your own people under the bullets.
  28. victor_47
    victor_47 3 January 2022 17: 02
    0
    God! Why do we need these "Baltic States" ?! Way to live as they want! If only there were no NATO strike forces ...
  29. lot
    lot 3 January 2022 17: 17
    -1
    Again NI and an expert from there. That Sokhu, that NI sources couldn't be more muddy. how much gossip can be exaggerated one another funnier.
  30. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 3 January 2022 17: 59
    -2
    According to the title, I was not mistaken with the edition, and which edition is the same analytics ... I do not see any arguments (except for propaganda, as can be seen from some comments) in favor of a very stupid version of the author, as if:
    the option with the exclusion of Latvia, Lithuania and Estonia from NATO has the right to life, such a scenario is not excluded.
  31. Alex 34091
    Alex 34091 3 January 2022 18: 05
    0
    When negotiations are held, the states will refuse our ultimatum to roll back NATO from Eastern Europe. What prevents us from putting pressure on Ukraine? Return {in fairness} the territory of interest. Strengthen positions in Transnistria and remove Ukraine from at least part of the water area. Start full blown b. etc., in my personal opinion the West will not dare. Sanctions? Whether there are many of them left, and how they will affect the country is an open question for me.
  32. Motorhead
    Motorhead 4 January 2022 22: 33
    0
    The funny thing is that small grass will have either by right of the strongest, or by agreement and in two trunks.