NI: By supporting some Ukrainians against others, the US authorities lead to an escalation of the civil conflict in Ukraine

The United States actively asserts the position that supporting Ukraine is not just a profitable political step, but almost the duty and moral duty of the Americans. American propaganda paints the image of a young Ukrainian nation fighting for its sovereignty against the "evil empire" - Russia. Naturally, Americans have parallels with their own history the end of the XNUMXth century, when the formation of American statehood took place.

But the author of The National Interest, Mark Episkopos, writes that the conflict in Ukraine should not be approached so one-sided. Discourse about the political unity of Ukraine in its striving to isolate itself from Russia is nothing more than a widespread stereotype and political speculation.

In fact, Ukraine, and here Episkopos quotes the vice-president of the Center for National Interests George Bibi, is nothing more than a patchwork quilt - a state in which completely contradictory positions coexist. Today's Ukraine has become such a state due to the peculiarities of its history and, more broadly, the history of Eastern Europe, which for centuries remained a field of rivalry between the great powers - Russia, Germany, Austria-Hungary, the Ottoman Empire.

As noted by the American political scientist Professor Keith Darden, during the reign of the Russian Empress Catherine II, the eastern regions of modern Ukraine were inhabited by ethnic Russians and entered the Russian cultural sphere. Western Ukraine remained in the zone of Polish cultural influence. It is Western Ukraine, as the American author correctly concludes, for a long time remained the main citadel of anti-Russian and anti-Soviet sentiments.

But the east of Ukraine is a completely different region, with a different ethnic and cultural population, and it certainly gravitates towards Russia. Episkopos turns to an analysis of the results of the Ukrainian elections and emphasizes that Euro-Atlantic integration has never been the goal of the entire Ukrainian people. This is the goal of Western Ukrainians, who tend to identify with Europe. For the inhabitants of Eastern Ukraine, Russia has been and remains a reference point.

The American publicist makes the correct conclusion: US support for the current Kiev regime does not make Europe or Ukraine united or free. In fact, America is simply taking sides in the Ukrainian civil war. Naturally, the confrontation will continue in the future.

The NI notes that by supporting some Ukrainians against others, the US authorities are leading to an escalation of the civil conflict in Ukraine.

The very appearance of such articles in the American press cannot but arouse interest, especially in the context of the gradually changing US foreign policy towards Russia and Ukraine. It seems that American readers are gradually being pushed to the idea that Ukraine is not united and that some parts of it will have to be sacrificed. So far, publicists are talking about this and politicians of state rank are silent, but it is possible that in the foreseeable future these issues will be raised not in the pages of American publications, but in the White House.

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[Cowbra]

Deep thought.

[figwam]

Already in the morning it flies

[Tatyana]

Quote: aleks neym_2

We help those who benefit - the basic law of the policy of any state and no moral principles, and the rhetoric about democracy is just a cover for their interests.

Washington's plans for the fate of Ukraine have been known since the election race of H. Clinton for the presidency of the United States.which she lost to Trump.

Attacking Hillary Clinton, losing to Trump in the presidential elections in the United States, in despair, one might say, last with her trump card, let slip about the true intentions of the US State Department regarding Ukraine. Namely.
According to Washington's plan - according to H. Clinton - there should be no more than 20 million inhabitants in AMERICAN Ukraine - and this is TOGETHER with the resettled Americans!
In this case, of the 40-45 million Ukrainians themselves, it is planned to leave 4-5 million.
The rest of the "extra" Ukrainians, who themselves do not want to leave Ukraine and will not perish in an armed confrontation in the civil war, plans to be forcibly resettled in North Africa and the Middle East.

In other words, according to the plans of Washington, according to the recognition of X herself, Clinton, the US State Department already then planned to essentially "clean up" Ukraine by 89% (!), - that is, in fact, in general, from the indigenous population of Ukraine - for immigrants from the United States to the "independent" lands of Ukraine freed from the local population.
И this applies not only to the South-East of Ukraine, but in general to the entire territory of Ukraine.

It is noteworthy that in the Armed Forces of Ukraine there are up to 80% of the ethnically Russian military personnel!
And at the same time, I am generally surprised that ethnic Russians in the Armed Forces of Ukraine, and with such a number of people themselves, will not understand in any way that in Ukraine they are fighting practically not even in defense of the maydanut pro-American Kiev regime, but they are fighting against themselves, as such, and against their loved ones! Those. Russians in the Armed Forces of Ukraine are fighting precisely for their own genocide - i.e. for the genocide of their own ethnically Russian people - for the sake of promoting in Ukraine and in the world the national interests of the United States and the collective West, ethnically hostile to the Russian people for centuries!
Can't the Russians in the Armed Forces of Ukraine send their weapons against their national traitors in Ukraine ?!

I wish the ethnic Russians in the Armed Forces of Ukraine political SENIENCE in 2022!

[fruc]

Tatyana
plans to be forcibly resettled in North Africa and the Middle East.

Ukrainians will be gladly accepted in Canada (sparsely populated north). My former acquaintances went there back in the 70s, worked in logging in the northern provinces of the country.

cannot direct their weapons against their national traitors in Ukraine ?!

They serve whoever pays them plus Bandera propaganda.

[Kushka]

The same insight to you.
Otherwise, like Samsonov, Russians are everywhere.
He did not even have the Tatar-Mongol yoke.
Just Russian-Mongols and Russian-Tatars came
on a visit to the Russian-Muscovites. And the fact that the muzzle was-
so how can we do without a fraternal fight.
So, to those who, as you write they practically do not even fight in defense
maydanut pro-American Kiev regime, deep on ... sneeze
to the "Kiev regime". They put this regime there - what would he do
hospitals, schools, kindergartens, retirees, bread and milk
finally... And for what and for whom they will fight THEY KNOW BY THEMSELVES.
And it is not so important who they are by nationality - they are citizens of Ukraine.
And if this "Kiev regime" even sticks a finger in the affairs of those who are at war-
then the Maidan will no longer be. It was Maidan for many weeks, and prezik for half a month
dug around the country, looking for a hole in the border.
Now there will be not a few weeks, but a few hours, and Rostov is already
will not be. Do you know the "number" of the President of Ukraine? SIXTH.
Five have already taken off, and the sixth and even more fate, if there is
to do not what he was chosen for.
PS Pay attention to the photo - what do you think, cans with conservation
and children's drawings to the fighters "Kiev regime" sent?

[boris epstein]

"According to Washington's plan - according to H. Clinton - there should be no more than 20 million inhabitants in AMERICAN Ukraine - and this is TOGETHER with the resettled Americans!
At the same time, out of 40-45 million Ukrainians themselves, it is planned to leave 4-5 million.
The rest of the "extra" Ukrainians, who themselves do not want to leave Ukraine and will not die in armed confrontation in the civil war, are planned to be forcibly resettled to North Africa and the Middle East. "
Somehow this is very much in line with the plans of Hitler and Margaret Thatcher! The only difference is that Hitler took out part of the German concentration camps as slaves to factories and farmers, and Margaret Thatcher was going to leave just enough population to be enough to service transit pipelines. The fate of the others did not bother her at all.

[Tatyana]

Quote: Boris Epstein

Somehow this is very much in line with the plans of Hitler and Margaret Thatcher! The only difference is that Hitler took out part of the German concentration camps as slaves to factories and farmers, and Margaret Thatcher was going to leave just enough population to be enough to service transit pipelines. The fate of the others did not bother her at all.

I am glad that on "VO" there are such understanding site members as you, who are able not only to competently compare historical events and the deeds of political leaders with the present day by analogy, but also to correctly assess the modern hostile manipulations of the West against historically any Russia and against it historically, the state of the forming Russian people with the aim of its geopolitical liquidation, as such, and the liquidation of its Russian people!

[businessv]

Quote: figvam

Already in the morning it flies

Shit!
Happy New Year to all members of the forum! Good to spend, worthy to meet! Health, happiness, prosperity, fulfillment of desires and a peaceful sky!

[alex neym_2]

We help those who benefit - the basic law of the policy of any state and no moral principles, and the rhetoric about democracy is just a cover for their interests.

[Machito]

And I really support blacks, Latinos and other nationalities in the United States and Irish, Scots, Welsh, blacks and Asians in the UK. I support the Basques in Spain, the Bretons in France. In general, there are also many pain points in the West that await funding and armaments.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: aleks neym_2

We help those who benefit - the basic law of the policy of any state and no moral principles, and the rhetoric about democracy is just a cover for their interests.

So it is precisely for the United States that this is beneficial. It is they, I live in a swamp, they stir up trouble in Ukraine.

[Pessimist22]

What a smart expert, I guessed it all the same.

[Essex62]

In the White House, the agenda will always be the same - to fight to the death against Russia, to the last Ukrainian. No, there have not been and will not be any changes in the mattress policy concerning the main thorn in the ass of the Russian Federation.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: Essex62

In the White House, the agenda will always be the same - to fight to the death against Russia, to the last Ukrainian ...

... Pole, Tribalt, Romanian, Bulgarian and further down the list.

[tralflot1832]

Yes, judging by the photo, only one drawing is politically neutral, with a rainbow. Without accusations, the rainbow is correct, not LGBT. Every hunter wants to know where the pheasant is sitting. LGBT people do not use blue.

[Egoza]

There was (actually is, but it is not being staged now) the play "Yarovaya Lyubov". There is a tiny episode of how an old mother came from the village to find out where her sons were. After all, there is a civil war. And so the younger, the "beggar" - for the Reds, and the older, "master" - for the Whites. And they cannot agree among themselves in any way. And in front of the mother, they throw themselves at each other with fists.
I never thought that I would see such a scene in our time, in Ukraine !!! Only a little differently. The younger protects the monument to V.I. Lenin (maybe remember who, there was a photo and an article like "Three hundred Spartans" in the Komsomolskaya Pravda). And the eldest, who at one time went to study at the memory, got married there and "got into the spirit", shoots with a movie camera (TV operator) how these guys are being thrown with stones and what is worse, is accompanied by appropriate comments.
Moreover, in the evening they all gather at their mother's, the dispute continues ... In short, we managed to take them out on time. I'm all for what - CIVIL WAR - IS. And it will continue, although there is hope for the Russian Federation, and the Russians will be supported! But let the memory device hope for "Europe and the United States"!

[yuriy55]

Quote: Egoza

I'm all for what - CIVIL WAR - IS.

And what, until now, people do not understand that having written ten "letters of happiness", investing a ruble in them and sending ten of your friends with a list of addresses and your last name at the end of the list, you will not get the promised reward, or even an answer?
It is said very well about capitalism when it is compared to a forest in which there are fewer deer than wolves ...
What can the West show attractive? That you need to kill those who do not share your beliefs?
The American image of parasitism has been studied, tested by history, but in order for enmity to arise between good neighbors, it is enough to say that your neighbor (such and such) lives better, although he does not deserve it ...

[akarfoxhound]

There is a gorgeous short film "Consumption" on YouTube, recently filmed, a bunch of prizes from film festivals. Actors - not worn out, indifferent, judging by the comments, not a single one. Look, I highly recommend it, just in continuation of the topic you voiced

[pyagomail.com]

American propaganda paints the image of a young Ukrainian nation

- funny, how "young" they are! And who then dug the Black Sea and poured the Caucasus Mountains? But seriously, some Americans are beginning to understand something. In Austria, Germany and a large part of Switzerland there are people who speak German, but they live in different countries and do not feel like a single German nation. Maybe it makes sense for the peoples of Ukraine to divide in accordance with their mentality?

[boris epstein]

In Switzerland, it's generally cooler. There are FOUR in it! state languages, four peoples, four cantons - and no civil war! Switzerland from the United States and the civil war is saved only by the fact that it is a country of banks, diplomats and intelligence officers of all countries of the world.

[Vasyan1971]

almost a duty and a moral duty of the Americans.

Well, maybe - moral.

American propaganda paints the image of a young Ukrainian nation

Figase! Are these Sumerians a young nation?

[tatra]

The people on the territory of the USSR for all 104 years after the October Revolution - both under Soviet power and under anti-Soviet power, are divided into "red" and "white", regardless of nationalities, radically different in everything, including the fact that "red" are people FOR, and the "whites" are people AGAINST, the "reds" have always been proud and proud of the October Revolution, and the "whites" for 30 years cowardly whine that they "have nothing to do with their counter-revolution in Perestroika, and blame the responsibility for it on" red ".

[akarfoxhound]

Well, yes, and Humpbacked with EBN and with all his entourage not from the CPSU, but from the constellation Aldebaran arrived. And the KGB generals who guarded this Belovezhskaya shobla were also not with party membership cards, yeah ... And the chief KGB officer Andropov, who brought these guys from the provincial backwaters to power - well, never a communist!

[Kittymoore]

It seems that American readers are gradually beginning to be pushed to the idea that Ukraine is not united and that some parts of it will have to be sacrificed.

American readers are so worried about the future of Ukraine that they cannot eat. It remains for them to find out where this country is located.

the appearance of such articles in the American press cannot but arouse interest

It's NI. Simes just sitting on Channel One or what?
All their articles are devoted to advertising in Russia and admiration for multi-walkers.