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Why does the replenishment of gold reserves by Russia worry the West?

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Recently, on our website, the topic of a sudden increase in gold prices and the fact that China can make purchases of this metal for its reserves without publicizing such trade deals was discussed. The initiator of the idea of ​​"secret" gold purchases of China can be considered Western journalists who refer to the publication of the American blogger Tyler Dörden, under whose nickname they suspect a very influential representative of US financial circles.

Today, the same Western press has decided to turn its attention to Russia in connection with the increasing rate of gold purchases by our country. Literally, one by one, materials began to appear, telling that Vladimir Putin deliberately gives orders to buy more and more gold in order to be able to either put pressure on other countries of the world, or declare the use of gold as an alternative world currency. This, in particular, expressed by representatives of such publications as The Australian (Bussines with Wall Street Journal) and Gold Investing News.

The authors of the materials are seriously concerned that over the past five years, Russia has almost doubled its gold reserves and brought them to the value of 9% of the sum of its total financial reserve.

In order to show that storing gold will not lead to anything good for Russia, the statement of such a well-known person like Warren Buffet, who once said that a person takes gold from one pit, then put it in another pit, is published. According to some Western economists, such a position today looks completely ineffective, and the same economists call the whole desire of Russia to increase its gold reserves simply ridiculous. In their opinion, today, gold cannot in any way reflect the level of success of an economy of a given state, the level of activity on world trading floors, but, according to those people, real money can successfully reflect all of this.

After such a statement by American economists, I want to ask a question: what kind of real money are you, gentlemen, talking about? Is it really a question of the dollar, which today, if it reflects something, then only the color of the state of the American economy is, you know, gray-green. Whether it is covered with a completely unsightly mold, or with moss, emphasizing the deplorable state of the US financial system.

It turns out that gold is, according to some experts from the United States, a product that is completely illiquid and simply obsolete as an object of maintaining financial stability, while the dollar is literally the world flagship of the economy. Well, do not tell ... After all, we are here in Russia, despite our distance from Wall Street, we are well aware that the times of the dollar are going to history. By and large, adequate American citizens understand that today to continue to rely on their currency, just because it is full of wallets and accounts of Russian oligarchs, Saudi and Qatari oil magnates are filled, it just makes no sense. The whole point of developing the economy on the basis of printing new and new banknotes of the national American currency has long since disappeared, because sooner or later freshly printed dollars will be in the hands of people accustomed to transfer them to “safe places”: offshore companies or their own financial institutions. That is, the dollar is printed only in order to follow the same path again - the ways of settling where no real work will lead this money. Can the dollar work today at all if it loses more and more of its strength? ..

If Western economic experts have paid attention to the growth of Russian gold reserves, this is by no means accidental. Obviously, gold has not prevented any country in the world in terms of maintaining a stable state of the financial system. The more gold reserves of the state, the easier it is to survive any financial crisis. So it was before, so it is now, so it will be, at least in the near future.

True, there is one nuance. People who are not at all interested in the growth of gold reserves in Russia and China will try to do everything to not only show the ineffectiveness of the authorities' actions on large-scale gold purchases, but also artificially devalue this material. Attempts at information pressure, we already see, it remains to wait until Western exchanges "react" to Russian and Chinese gold purchases "properly." This reaction, most likely, will look at first as a sufficiently sharp rise in prices for the precious metal (which is already happening now), and then a completely unexpected decline. In other words, the Western financial system is now even interested in the fact that some countries are buying gold, because today it fills the economy of the Eurozone with living money. But on the other hand, the West will try to do everything so that gold purchases are now at very high prices in order to extract the greatest benefit for themselves. And as soon as all the juices from the sale of gold are squeezed, its price will sharply rush down, which will be explained by a new round of economic crisis.

As it is not difficult to guess, this “new round” will be nothing but banal speculation. Obviously, the real price of gold itself cannot gallop, going under 2000 dollars per ounce, then sagging to the value of 1300-1400 dollars for the same mass for a short period of time. That's right: it cannot by itself, but, as they say, with someone's light hand ...

In general, it is quite possible to say that today's rise in gold prices, which has been observed in recent months, is the reaction of the western financial system to the increase in the gold reserves of Russia and China. And the task of this system: to show once again to the world that the currencies of the world (dollar and euro) considered to be the main ones today are still full of powder in the flasks. The price will come, for example, to 1900-2000 dollars, this price will begin to be drastically lowered, in order to begin again to replenish its worn out gold reserves at the expense of a cheap precious metal.

If everything goes exactly to this, then Russia, together with China and, possibly, India (as one of the major global players in the gold market), is time to think about how to stabilize the price of this precious metal. If the price is predictable, then speculators in the West will have far less room for maneuver.
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  1. Ragnarek
    Ragnarek 20 September 2012 08: 27
    +74
    everything is correct. exchange dollars for gold while it’s possible. war is coming and what will happen next is unknown, and gold is always in value
    1. Redpartyzan
      Redpartyzan 20 September 2012 08: 45
      +50
      I bought 4 years ago a gold coin with Gagarin for 4 thousand. Now I can sell it for 14. An example is indicative. As Aleksey correctly noted, we should not keep money in rotten dollars. The course is right.
      1. Dmitriy69
        Dmitriy69 20 September 2012 09: 42
        +35
        And you see them funny! This is still funny for them, let's see who will be the last to laugh, ladies and gentlemen!
        1. edge
          edge 20 September 2012 14: 22
          +13
          to whom and why do we need cheap waste paper, and we need gold to pour lights on fighter jets bully
        2. mind1954
          mind1954 21 September 2012 05: 03
          +2
          If I’m not mistaken, we have 900 gold with something tons,
          and the United States has 8000 tons of its own, and even German 7000 tons !!!
      2. Bashkaus
        Bashkaus 20 September 2012 10: 30
        +26
        gold was, is and will be, perhaps the price for your coin will be either 4, then 14, or 1 thousand rubles. But there is a difference, rubles, dollars, etc. come and go during crises and reforms, but you can always try a gold mug by the teeth))) The main thing is to clearly understand that gold is not a way to earn money, but a way to save! buried in the ground, after 100 years, the grandchildren will dig up, maybe you will overpay somewhere, but the fact that you will not lose everything that has been accumulated is a fact.
    2. Big lexey
      Big lexey 20 September 2012 10: 14
      +27
      Gold is always in price, and this clearly shows information on the reserves of metallic gold in the leading states of the world (data for June 2011):
      USA - 8133 tons,
      Germany - 3401 tons,
      Italy - 2451 tons,
      France - 2435 tons,
      China - 1054 tons,
      Switzerland - 1040 tons,
      Russia - 824 tons,
      Japan - 765 tons.

      So the data on gold reserves clearly shows the duplicity of the statements of Western economists ... and indeed of the Western world. Why doesn't the United States sell "gold bars that are unnecessary and meaningless for the economy," the reserves of which exceed those of Russia by an order of magnitude!
      It would be interesting to invite the US government to exchange all of their gold reserves for their own treasury bonds in the amount of 461,7 billion dollars stored in the currency reserves of the Bank of Russia.
      And we can also exchange gold for cellulose and a set of paints, let them print more dollars.
      PS 461,7 billion dollars is the value of 8133 tons of gold from the US gold reserve at its price as of September 20, 2012 ($ 1765,6 per troy ounce).
      1. urzul
        urzul 20 September 2012 11: 59
        +12
        For February 2012 already such information:
        USA - 8133 tons, + 0
        Germany - 3396 tons, -5
        Italy - 2451 tons, + 0
        France - 2435 tons, + 0
        China - 1054 tons, + 0
        Switzerland - 1040 tons, + 0
        Russia - 883 tons, + 59
        Japan - 765 tons. + 0
        1. George IV
          George IV 20 September 2012 12: 35
          +3
          It would be interesting to see the table further. At least understand who bought the gold? Or is it domestic production?
          1. urzul
            urzul 20 September 2012 12: 41
            +2
            China (mined 2007 tons in 275, and 2008 tons in 295).
            South Africa (252 / 250).
            U.S. (238 / 230).
            Australia (246 / 225).
            Peru (170 / 175).
            Russia (157 / 165).
          2. viruskvartirus
            viruskvartirus 21 September 2012 14: 53
            +1
            http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D1%84%D0%B8%D1%86%D0%B8%D0%B0%D0%BB%D1%8C%D0
            %BD%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B7%D0%BE%D0%BB%D0%BE%D1%82%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B7%D0
            % B5% D1% 80% D0% B2% D1% 8B is noteworthy ... Iran has 907,0 t Indian citizens have 18000 t and central bank 557,7 t))) Ukraine 28 t ... the pillow is not very big Ukraine’s foreign debt in the second quarter of 2012 increased by 1,6%, or $ 2,071 billion dollars, to $ 128,955 billion.
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 20 September 2012 12: 55
          +19
          Quote: urzul
          As of February 2012, the following information is already available: USA - 8133 tons, +0

          By chance, is it not about such gold? ABC Bullion, an Australian gold merchant, contacted us and reported that one of its suppliers provided them with photo evidence of a tungsten-filled gold bar discovered this week. The ingot was tested on a hand-held X-ray fluorescence scanner, which showed 99.98% of pure gold. Tungsten was discovered only when the ingot was cut into two halves.
          After numerous reports of gold bars filled with tungsten that weighed in 400 ounces in Hong Kong, this is the first documented and confirmed message that has become known to the public.
          On the attached photo is a Metalor 1000gm Au ingot in which voids were drilled and filled with tungsten (W).
          This ingot was purchased yesterday from an agent for scrap (scrap of precious metals) in xxxxx, United Kingdom. The ingot seemed completely normal except for the fact that it lacked 2 grams. Since it contains tungsten, the ingot is not ferromagnetic. The ingot was delivered with the original certificate.
          The business owner who purchased the bar became suspicious only when he found out about the weight difference and broke it. Presumably 30-40% of ingot weight is tungsten.
          Now that we have documented evidence that holes were drilled and tungsten filled in 1 kg ingots, we should expect frantic checks of the gold content in 400 ounces ingots, which, according to some reports, are also filled with tungsten (according to Rob Kirby, “ packed to capacity ”with 400 ounces of tungsten ingots that are gold plated on the outside).
          For those unaware of the initial reports that 60 tonnes of 400 oz bars were filled with tungsten and exchanged for US Federal Treasury gold at Fort Knox, here is part of his 2009 report: Number of gold bars "stuffed" with tungsten It is believed to be 5600-5700 pieces of 400 ounces each (approximately 60 tons). Most likely this is a carefully organized and extremely well-paid criminal operation. Just hours after the fraud was revealed, the Chinese authorities detained many of these criminals.
          And here's what the Chinese managed to find out: About 15 years ago - during the Clinton administration [remember Robert Rubin, Sir Alan Greenspan and Lawrence Summers] –– in the United States from very sophisticated modern equipment from 1,3 to 1,5 million tungsten pigs were produced weighing 400 ounces [more than 16 thousand tons]. Subsequently, 640.000 of these discs were covered with a layer of gold and sent to Fort Knox, where they are now. I know people who have copies of the original shipping documents with the dates and exact weight of the “tungsten” ingots transferred to Fort Knox.
          The remaining tungsten pigs were also supposedly coated with a layer of gold and “sold” on the international market. Obviously, this market is now “filled to capacity” with 400 ounce fake bullion. Http://via-midgard.info/news/in_midgard/20946-obnaruzheny-falshivye-s
          litki-gold.html
          1. edge
            edge 20 September 2012 14: 25
            +2
            2 years ago, the Chinas also laughed, bought 30 tons of tungsten at the price of gold ......
          2. Rink
            Rink 20 September 2012 14: 43
            +5
            Quote: Kaa
            .... there is documentary evidence that holes were drilled and filled with tungsten in ingots weighing 1 kg ....

            The melting point of tungsten is 3380 ° C, the melting point of gold is 1065 ° C. So rather tungsten can be doused with gold, and then applied on top of samples and numbers. But this means that the banking system itself should have been engaged in a fake, and not a bunch of cunning intruders.

            In general, it looks more like the Rockefeller-controlled throwing of disinformation. The goal is simple and clear - to undermine the position of Rothschild gold and support its own petrodollar, which is at its peak. The timing of this "news" is also the most appropriate, right after the news about China and Russia starting to trade in oil for yuan, without attracting the dollar ...

            Think about it at the same time on different sites (see and my link below, I posted it a couple of hours earlier) different people suddenly began to break their gold bars and find hidden tungsten there, The technologies are different, the places are different, but somehow suddenly right away after the opening of the Chinese oil exchange revealed ..

            IMHO - THE PURE WATER DUCK!
            I think that soon the Rothschilds will pay exposures, and we will read how unscrupulous people tried to raise panic in the gold market.
            1. Auchan
              Auchan 20 September 2012 20: 21
              -3
              What is the dollar secured

              http://greencard-win.livejournal.com/936.html
              1. Фокус
                Фокус 21 September 2012 12: 41
                +4
                Quote: Auchan
                http://greencard-win.livejournal.com/936.html


                - There is so much delitana article that it is too lazy to answer for each sentence. One thing I can say is a huge part of the US GDP is based on the income of securities, the crisis of 2008 and subsequent events showed the situation is not in favor of the US economy, time is playing against them. The current situation (by and large) suits everyone except the US and the EU.
              2. Gray-haired
                Gray-haired 22 September 2012 15: 27
                0
                Funny with a sheep (ram) is protected. Another plus from me.
            2. gojesi
              gojesi 21 September 2012 04: 52
              +1
              Quote: Skating rink
              it is more like a Rockefeller-controlled throw-in of desa. The goal is simple and clear - to undermine the position of the Rothschild gold and support its own, dipping petrodollar

              ... reasonable! Very .... I support, although the information is zero ...
              1. Gray-haired
                Gray-haired 22 September 2012 16: 17
                +4
                I would not say. ProanaLiterate the events of 1998, when a kinder fool was used by the same gop-company for a similar "kidka" in Russia. It was a rehearsal on fools, in the role of which we were at the behest of EBN and his henchmen, whom the Rothschilds and Rockefellers slipped into.
                There are fewer assistants, but selection by surgical methods is still needed. Otherwise, Putin will not fulfill what he is doing, I mean the speed of implementation of his plans. There is an analyst on other sites that the fifth column, with a lover of dog food from a roadside tavern accompanied by Nigerian escorts, that is, mite-spankers, sabotages Putin's decisions by 75% ... I think this is not the whole truth. This bastard, with his mind, is not able to come up with anything, but the liberal about Western rot, given his craving for taxiing Russia, without the slightest presence of convolutions in an empty skull, and nostalgic, that I was "driving" Russia, will continue, stir up his opinion that he is Napoleon, and encourage him to put sleepers in the path of Putin's plans to restore the status of Russia, albeit imperial, albeit calm, but attractive for others, but building a Great Russia.
          3. Raven1972
            Raven1972 20 September 2012 19: 39
            0
            Something seems strange to me that the gold did not evaporate at the temperature of the MELTED tungsten .... 3380 gr. the melting point of tungsten, and gold only 1065 ... Strange somehow ....
          4. mamba
            mamba 20 September 2012 22: 04
            0
            Quote: Kaa
            1 kg drilled holes were drilled and tungsten filled

            But was it not easier to use fusible lead instead of refractory tungsten, whose melting point is three times higher than that of gold. Here it was something that could be poured into holes drilled in gold bars. Lead is also not a ferromagnet.
            1. MrBoris555
              MrBoris555 20 September 2012 22: 11
              +1
              Density. It is similar for Tungsten and Gold, for lead it is much more ..
              1. military
                military 26 September 2012 15: 00
                +1
                in fact, the density of gold is one and a half times higher than that of lead (gold in liquid mercury goes to the bottom, and lead floats to the surface) ... wink
        3. crazyrom
          crazyrom 20 September 2012 22: 39
          0
          Quote: urzul
          USA - 8133 tons, + 0


          There is an interesting rumor that the state of the United States generally has not had gold for a long time. What is stored in Fort Knox is all private (well, in the sense of these bankers that the whole world was bought up).
        4. Civil
          Civil 24 September 2012 21: 12
          0
          In the last years of Joseph Stalin's life, the annual gold production in the country exceeded 100 tons. After the leader’s death, there were more than 2 tons of gold in the country (this is more than the gold reserve of Tsarist Russia.)
          The gold reserves of the USSR after several sales by 1985 amounted to about 700 tons. In 1991, after the mass sale arranged by the government of M. Gorbachev, the country's gold reserves fell to 480 tons. In 1992, B. Yeltsin’s government continued the “big sale”, and only 290 tons of gold remained in the country.
      2. aksakal
        aksakal 20 September 2012 20: 34
        +11
        Quote: BigLexey
        It would be interesting to invite the US government to exchange all of their gold reserves for their own treasury bonds in the amount of 461,7 billion dollars stored in the currency reserves of the Bank of Russia.
        - Charles de Gaulle tried it in 1968. A year later, he was "resigned" with the help of who knows for what reasons the strongest student unrest in Paris, although he was a very popular politician and remained so until the end of his life. And even after death it remains popular and revered. Even the aircraft carrier is named after him.
        We want to try the strength of Putin’s position? It would be interesting, very interesting. Catch a plus, if your proposal fails, we fill up with popcorn. -))))
        1. crazyrom
          crazyrom 20 September 2012 23: 27
          +9
          Quote: aksakal
          We want to try the strength of Putin’s position?

          And we already did it, in the elections. On the one hand came 20.000 swamps, and on the other came 150.000 patriots. So they tested the strength. So there is nothing to fear.
        2. gojesi
          gojesi 21 September 2012 04: 59
          +3
          Quote: aksakal
          Charles de Gaulle tried it in 1968.

          in 1972, on 2 planes sent from France, stuffed with cut green paper, the Americans gave 2 planes of real gold. Caula urgently met in Bretton Wood to discuss de Gaulle's "boorish" behavior. And, it seems, Nixon unilaterally canceled the dollar's peg to gold. The notorious "Bretton Woods" agreement ... Or in Russian - CONSOLUTION.
        3. kush62
          kush62 22 September 2012 18: 47
          +1
          Even the aircraft carrier is named after him.
          Well, it’s in their blood (amers). First you need to destroy, and then you can call it. Chiroki jeeps, Apache rockets, etc. And since the French sing to the tune of the United States, then there is nothing surprising.
      3. raider
        raider 21 September 2012 19: 29
        0
        It’s a good idea to give them their rubbish for gold. The only problem is that Amers don’t have gold, they pissed it off for a long time. It’s empty in the Fed, I watched the film. Rockefellers have gold, there are no Rothschilds in America
      4. Nick
        Nick 22 September 2012 17: 59
        +1
        Quote: BigLexey
        It would be interesting to invite the US government to exchange all of their gold reserves for their own treasury bonds in the amount of 461,7 billion dollars stored in the currency reserves of the Bank of Russia.

        Yes you! Alexey! States in the 1973 year refused to peg the dollar to gold reserves. It was then that they had a card and went ... They blew a bubble around the world.
    3. Rink
      Rink 20 September 2012 11: 13
      +3
      As soon as the people realized that the dollar was coming> | <oops and began to buy gold, the Rockefelers paid order-disinformation immediately appeared: there is counterfeit banking gold, hollowed out from the inside, in the world !!!!!

      http://mixednews.ru/archives/24308

      And then they pour "penny" tungsten inside! Drill your ingots! maybe you find palladium or molybdenum ...
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 20 September 2012 11: 55
        +1
        in Russia, gold does not go into the bullion
        1. SSR
          SSR 20 September 2012 14: 38
          +2
          Quote: mongoose
          in Russia, gold does not go into the bullion

          not quite right)) you can buy a bullion in some branches of the Savings Bank. these ingots are good to buy in the long run
          and yes, these ingots are sold in special packages and there are vacuum packages .. a used ingot in hands loses in price .. but you can store it, so to speak, on a "metal account" in the bank itself.
          in general, if you buy such a bullion now, you can sell it profitably in five years from now (if the situation in the world does not change dramatically).
          PS ingots are also 5 grams each))
          1. Bashkaus
            Bashkaus 20 September 2012 15: 28
            0
            a metal account is also bullshit, if you are talking about when the amount of gold that you have is counted on your passbook not by money receipts. The trouble is that you still do not have gold as such, only a booklet with the number I-grams, which, too, by the way, if you rub it, you can use it in cloazaria
          2. valton
            valton 20 September 2012 16: 49
            +2
            Do not forget that banks also sell gold coins.
      2. gojesi
        gojesi 21 September 2012 05: 15
        +2
        Quote: Skating rink

        And then they pour "penny" tungsten inside! Drill your ingots! maybe you find palladium or molybdenum ...

        no! I do not remember exactly the atomic weight of tungsten; it seems five atomic units less than gold, i.e. they are almost identical in weight. In terms of refractoriness, tungsten is significant. superior to gold. To carry out such an operation, the capacities of the STATE are necessary, even Al-Qaeda with its potential will not be able to do this. We need state-owned processing facilities, sufficient energy and tungsten reserves, qualified personnel ... You won’t melt tungsten on a fire ... Yes, and drilling a hole in a gold bar, it’s very problematic, believe me :) Only two options, or a large Fed fraud, or a powerful Structure - the Rothschilds ... Since the trails stretch to Fort Knox ... However, they can also grow together for a while ... The United States is the scammers ...
        1. fhfh66
          fhfh66 5 November 2012 18: 58
          0
          The Fed is a private shop, dependent on the Rockefellers and the Rodschilds. then their scams at the state level.
    4. Simon
      Simon 20 September 2012 15: 54
      +3
      And the point is not in the pockets, since the pockets are different. So gold is always better than the dollar, since the dollar is paper that burns in a fire, unlike gold. fool
    5. Warik
      Warik 20 September 2012 19: 32
      0
      Quote: Ragnarek
      war is coming and what will happen next is unknown, and gold is always in value
      If there is a war, then gold will most likely not be needed ... (if we are talking about the third world war)
    6. Isr
      Isr 21 September 2012 19: 43
      0
      Quote: Ragnarek
      exchange for gold while it is possible. war is coming and what will happen next is unknown, and gold is always in value

      the opinion of a person who does not understand the economy. In fact, gold, like any other commodity, is bought and sold, i.e. this is not a panacea, otherwise, if everything is so simple, then everyone rushes to buy gold. What this article describes is a new excitement, a "golden" bubble.
      1. leha 2012
        leha 2012 25 September 2012 19: 23
        +2
        By the way, the dollar is also a commodity. But since gold cannot be printed in unlimited quantities, gold is all the more liquid in turbulent times. Money, on the contrary, is losing its value.
    7. valokordin
      valokordin 22 September 2012 07: 46
      +4
      But he read Adam Smith and there was a deep economy, and he certainly knew how the state is getting richer and why he does not need gold when a simple product has it. This was answered by A.S. Pushkin
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 20 September 2012 08: 27
    +26
    but how can they relate. naturally, negatively. gold is independence, and who in the west wants to see independent Russia. and so it’s not clear-rotten-rotten, but she lives, is unsinkable. Russia causes zapadentsev fear and envy, and equally
    1. nikoli25
      nikoli25 20 September 2012 08: 50
      +7
      Russia causes zapadentsev fear and envy, and equally
      yes yes, that's why they press us down and won't calm down until they completely destroy us
      1. andrei332809
        andrei332809 20 September 2012 08: 56
        +3
        in both hands to them, as they say. destroy, x-ex.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 20 September 2012 09: 01
        +16
        Quote: nikoli25
        According to some Western economists, this position today looks completely ineffective, and the same economists call all the desire of Russia to increase its gold reserves stock just ridiculous.

        But I liked it, they are sitting head over heels in debt and what they still find funny laughing Western economists brought their own country to bankruptcy and give advice on economics to others. They themselves don’t have gold in Fort Knox, so they sit on paper and tell the whole world that it’s good. We must also increase our purchases of gold and sell all our bucks, let them go on talking.
        1. Kaa
          Kaa 20 September 2012 20: 54
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Western economists brought their own country to bankruptcy and give advice on economics to others.

          This is nonsense! I don’t know how in Russia, in Ukraine a certain “Piraeus-Bank” is being advertised in full swing - the most reliable bank. ”Hochma is that the bank is GREEK! good
          1. gojesi
            gojesi 21 September 2012 05: 18
            0
            Quote: Kaa
            a certain "Piraeus-Bank" - the most reliable bank. "Hochma is that the bank is GREEK

            Well, it’s also well known that Greek banks are MOST RELIABLE wink
          2. slav4ikus
            slav4ikus 21 September 2012 18: 40
            0
            no one can stab better than the state itself!
        2. psdf
          psdf 25 September 2012 05: 35
          +1
          ЧСХ the more diligently others fulfill their recommendations, the better the US economy feels. Great specialists in filling their own budget at the expense of those advised.
      3. volcano
        volcano 20 September 2012 09: 58
        +5
        Quote: nikoli25
        yes yes, that's why they press us down and won't calm down until they completely destroy us


        Well ... pa crack them ..... she already almost torn the British flag wink
        1. Armata
          Armata 20 September 2012 11: 32
          +8
          Quote: volkan
          Well ... pa crack them ..... she already almost torn the British flag

          Oh, Andrey, how the whole world splashes content. Then, for a long time, Eurasia will have to launder from this threshing floor.
          1. volcano
            volcano 20 September 2012 18: 40
            +4
            Quote: Steam Train
            Oh, Andrey, how the whole world splashes content. Then, for a long time, Eurasia will have to launder from this threshing floor.


            Ento yes, but where to go ..... side effect ..
      4. sasha.28blaga
        sasha.28blaga 20 September 2012 12: 00
        +3
        This means that they will not be at rest either at night, or by day, and not at all when.
      5. edge
        edge 20 September 2012 14: 27
        0
        or we them, this option is preferable
    2. Kaa
      Kaa 20 September 2012 09: 21
      +4
      Quote: andrei332809
      gold is independence

      Because. that its reserves are finite, if you do not read "Engineer Garin's Hyperboloid" with his gold mining from the utter depths of the earth. There, in fantasy, the price of gold was really and seriously knocked down, having mined eleven million tons. But in real life this can be done only for a short-term perspective, speculate for the "evergreen" course, the reserves of which in the world depend on the productivity of the FRS machine tool, wood reserves and paints.
      1. revnagan
        revnagan 20 September 2012 10: 03
        +11
        If you play a game imposed by the West, and even according to their rules, you will always lose. You need to either start your own game, or at least change the rules of the game for yourself. I mean, if the West drops the price of gold by speculative methods, then do not sell it with a fright, but, on the contrary, buy it up and buy it cheap, thereby raising demand and price. But the question is different: will the Russian economy pull such a burden? I would like to hope so.
        1. Bashkaus
          Bashkaus 20 September 2012 10: 35
          +7
          if he exchanges his dollar reserves for gold, he will pull, and the price of gold, in principle, is no longer important, because you need to understand that the dollar is paper, and you just need to throw it off from the principle and it does not matter at what price for gold.
          1. El13
            El13 20 September 2012 19: 56
            0
            Quote: Bashkaus
            if he exchanges his dollar reserves for gold, he will pull, and the price of gold, in principle, is no longer important, because you need to understand that the dollar is paper, and you just need to throw it off from the principle and it does not matter at what price for gold.

            At that hour, when everyone understands this and starts buying gold for bucks, regardless of the price, the Arctic fox will come to the dollar and it will be the end of the world ... financial world ... I think the year is like this in 2012, the month like that in December ...
            I put a minus on the article, although I respect Volodin very much, but it will not be possible to drop the price of gold in order to "show" the fallacy of the buyer's position, and no one will do it.
        2. slav4ikus
          slav4ikus 21 September 2012 18: 43
          +1
          play with a sharpie with his cards, and according to his rules, this is a utopia that allows only patients on their heads (in the sense of dumb and naive) or more nimble cheaters
      2. edge
        edge 20 September 2012 14: 30
        +1
        plant Ural sequoia, the paper will be the sea ............ give a trip to the states for sequoia
    3. Isr
      Isr 25 September 2012 00: 06
      0
      You have paranoia, no one has spread rot and is not afraid of you, buy yourself gold for health, sit on it, nobody cares about you. Gold, like any other product, is sold and bought. Once upon a time in the gold standard, gold was needed to provide banknotes, but now there is no gold standard, money is printed as needed, and America, Russia and all other countries. Live on health, continue to float, work, earn, raise healthy children, be independent of gold.
  3. Russlana
    Russlana 20 September 2012 08: 38
    +8
    A ruble secured by gold ... A dream ...
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 20 September 2012 08: 44
      -3
      Thanks to the fellow tribesmen of the American bankers, the Bolsheviks, we had a golden ruble, but all came out in October 1917
      1. Brother Sarych
        Brother Sarych 20 September 2012 09: 00
        +7
        You would read how Wittte introduced the gold ruble, how he tied the economy to the French and other bad people, how then the economy gave in, how it was necessary to pay for this gold with blood, how then it turned into a revolution ...
        1. mongoose
          mongoose 20 September 2012 09: 25
          -1
          Yeah, I really like political propaganda, read, I just can’t fall asleep
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 20 September 2012 09: 55
            +1
            This is not propaganda - these are facts, the introduction of the gold standard in those conditions of economic development did more harm ...
            But you are free to see only what you like ...
            1. mongoose
              mongoose 20 September 2012 11: 56
              0
              I took a course in political economy at a university
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 20 September 2012 13: 12
                +1
                They went badly along the way ...
                You seem to have passed the story ...
          2. Rezun
            Rezun 20 September 2012 11: 05
            +11
            What do you dislike? At the beginning of the 90-s you wanted the "convertibility" of the ruble, now you will get it! You use "someone else's" money, pay for their turnover, accounting, safety.
            The Soviet Union created and exploited its segment of the world market, and the non-convertibility of the Soviet ruble was the best protection against crises in the West, because all financial operations were under state control.
            In the current conditions, it is impossible to return full control, this is a return to 1917. (although, I personally am "for") .One way out is to accumulate despicable metal in order to legally heat the stoves with dollars.
            1. gojesi
              gojesi 21 September 2012 05: 33
              +2
              Quote: Rezun
              .One way out is to accumulate despicable metal in order to legally heat stoves with bucks

              no! We cannot accumulate enough gold to satisfy their requests! No matter how much they dug it will not be enough! There is another way out! Our Central Bank needs to start printing the ruble, regardless of the peg to the dollar. Since now they only publish it with the permission of the State Department-FRS. So we took out 100 billion worth of nishtyaks to the west, the Fed is giving the go-ahead, print money worth 100 billion dollars at our rate. The central bank is printing. This money is not quoted in the States, this money is "radioactive" for them. They immediately fit into the "National Accumulation Fund" and slowly lie there and depreciate (inflation) Thus, we, and the whole world with us, some to a greater extent others to a lesser extent, like vassals, PAY Tribute to the Suzerain ...
              Now a bill is being prepared for the State Duma "On the prohibition to pay tribute to America." Our payments per year (to Russia) range from 300 to 500 billion dollars! So it goes! And we scold Putin: (He needs to cast a golden monument during his lifetime !!!
              1. MrBoris555
                MrBoris555 21 September 2012 09: 45
                +1
                Also looked Fedorov?
                1. gojesi
                  gojesi 21 September 2012 20: 53
                  +1
                  Quote: MrBoris555
                  Also looked Fedorov?

                  ... and Fedorov and Efimov and KOB and Kudrin ... Now there is a lot of information, including on financial geo-politics. Expanse :) Just think, do not be shy :)
                  1. MrBoris555
                    MrBoris555 21 September 2012 21: 03
                    +2
                    Wow, the main thing is to think and strengthen Mother Russia to the best of your ability :)
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 20 September 2012 10: 04
          +9
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          You would read how Wittte introduced the gold ruble, how he tied the economy to the French and other bad people, how then the economy gave in, how it was necessary to pay for this gold with blood, how then it turned into a revolution ...

          Witte’s mistake was that the gold coins went into cash, which was impossible to do. Gold began to be exported en masse from the country.
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 20 September 2012 11: 57
            +1
            the mistake was somewhat different; it was necessary to impose prohibitive taxes on the export of gold outside Russia
            1. vostok68
              vostok68 20 September 2012 15: 41
              +5
              It seems to me that you are a little naive, prohibitive measures often lead to opposite results, there are many examples both then and now.
          2. gojesi
            gojesi 21 September 2012 20: 55
            +1
            Quote: baltika-18

            Witte’s mistake was that the gold coins went into cash, which was impossible to do.

            It's not a mistake! This is Witte's targeted subversion!
          3. psdf
            psdf 25 September 2012 05: 42
            0
            Who said the mistake? Clear work in the interests of not Russia at all.
            And his career developed in such a way that all those who interfered "accidentally" were removed, and were forced to do other things.
        3. gojesi
          gojesi 21 September 2012 05: 22
          0
          Quote: Brother Sarich
          We would respect how Wittte introduced the golden ruble, how he tied the economy to the French and

          Witte, like A. Kerensky, masons of 33 degrees, the highest initiation, did everything to destroy Russia
      2. nmd_1
        nmd_1 20 September 2012 10: 08
        +10
        In fact, the Soviet ruble was provided with gold, which was written on it! Two in history wink that is, minus count laughing
        1. Russlana
          Russlana 20 September 2012 11: 03
          -1
          Until what year, tell me?
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 20 September 2012 12: 12
            +2
            The Soviet ruble was provided with gold from 1947 to 1961.
            Quote: Russlana

            Until what year, tell me?
            1. nmd_1
              nmd_1 20 September 2012 12: 45
              +2
              up to 1991 inclusive, on banknotes of 1961. the inscription that it was provided with gold is absent, but there is a more capacious one "provided with all the property of the Soviet Union", so that it was provided with gold until the banknotes of the 1991 sample.
              http://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%F3%E1%EB%FC_%D1%D1%D1%D0#.D0.94.D0.B5.D0.BD.D0.
              B5.D0.B6.D0.BD.D1.8B.D0.B5_.D0.B7.D0.BD.D0.B0.D0.BA.D0.B8_.D0.BE.D0.B1.D1.80.D0.
              B0.D0.B7.D1.86.D0.B0_1921.E2.80.941923_.D0.B3.D0.BE.D0.B4.D0.BE.D0.B2
        2. mongoose
          mongoose 20 September 2012 11: 58
          -5
          hee hee hee, "teacher" have you seen the 1961 Soviet ruble? apparently not, there were no words that were backed by gold
          1. nmd_1
            nmd_1 20 September 2012 12: 44
            +10
            Probably have to learn history wink Don’t argue that the USSR appeared before 1961?
            In 1923, the golden Soviet dime was released.
            In 1924, state treasury bills with denominations of 1, 3 and 5 rubles were issued. It was money common to the entire USSR. One ruble was equated to 0,774 234 grams of pure gold, as pre-revolutionary.
            True, a gold ruble coin was not issued. The Soviet government protected gold. It would have been wasteful if it began to mint a coin from it. But they released a full silver ruble. His purchasing power was equal to gold.
            There were silver 50, 20, 15 and 10 cents. A loose coin of 5, 3, 2 and 1 kopeks was made of copper.
            When was the formation of the state from 1922, when the most difficult war of 1941-1945 took place. needed support for the ruble in the form of gold, then there was the provision thereof. In 1961. only the inscription about the security changed from "secured with gold to secured all the property of the USSR", the ruble exchange rate then stood like that of a 16-year-old uy. Look at the 1991 banknote, the gold inscription appears again. Sit you 2 laughing
            1. Storyteller
              Storyteller 20 September 2012 19: 01
              +5
              On my 1961 "quarter" it says "Bank notes are secured by gold, precious metals and other assets of the State Bank", as well as on the "wooden" one with year rings of the 1991 model.
          2. mongoose
            mongoose 21 September 2012 08: 17
            -7
            "Teacher, do you know at least one person for whom Soviet rubles were exchanged for gold? I am not!" Teacher "and what is all the property? a bunk on a bunk? a piece of rotten straw?
            1. nmd_1
              nmd_1 22 September 2012 18: 44
              0
              Turn on your head! Oh my student laughing The simplest example is buying jewelry. Well, to fool around about the property, apparently you are still very young to remember about the union, you have probably seen enough films from the early 90s about how everyone was having a bad life. Although maybe your conscious life passed in a union at the shkonks?
          3. Strezhevchanin
            Strezhevchanin 24 September 2012 08: 37
            +1
            http://www.numizmatik.ru/price/index.php?group=1534
      3. slav4ikus
        slav4ikus 21 September 2012 18: 46
        0
        thanks to shit - the Soviet ruble was also provided with gold until the age of 91, therefore it was banned for transportation abroad
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 20 September 2012 10: 02
      +2
      Quote: Russlana

      A ruble secured by gold ... A dream ...

      I agree, although a better option for a hard currency would be a combination of pegs (gold and energy). But then it really was a real currency.
      1. gojesi
        gojesi 21 September 2012 05: 40
        0
        the best option for a hard currency would be a combination of pegs (gold and energy). But then it really was a real currency.

        “When the last tree is uprooted, when the last river is poisoned, when the last fish is caught, you will realize that it is impossible to eat money”
        From the message of the Native American leaders to American society

        ... and I think that it was not for nothing that our ancestors called gold EVIL-TO, because they knew something better than ours, and for me, the best guarantee is energy, fresh water and a sober head!
    3. Bort radist
      Bort radist 20 September 2012 11: 42
      +3
      Quote: Russlana
      A ruble secured by gold ... A dream ...

      ! 976 a business trip to Poland (military service) it was a reality.
      They took 25 rubles with them, exchanged them for zlotys at any kiosk. The note bore the inscription "Tickets of the State Bank of the USSR (backed by gold, precious metals and other assets of the State Bank) in 10, 25, 50 and 100 rubles."
      And they took wedding rings in jewelry workshops by weight and doubled the price of gold in the USSR.
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 20 September 2012 11: 59
        -6
        its provision was not gold but all the assets of the USSR or something like that
        1. nmd_1
          nmd_1 20 September 2012 12: 56
          +2
          Is gold probably not included in assets ?, and not assets, but property.
        2. Makk
          Makk 20 September 2012 17: 15
          0
          The inscription depended on the face value. For example, 25 rubles is a drag. metals, and at 5 rubles a property.
          1. Brother Sarych
            Brother Sarych 20 September 2012 17: 55
            +2
            Before the chervonets there were treasury bills, above - bank notes, because it was originally tied to the gold chervonets ...
            Therefore, the inscriptions are different! Treasury bills in the West could not be exchanged, and the red ones were taken without problems, so tourists spent twigs ...
            1. Storyteller
              Storyteller 20 September 2012 19: 04
              0
              The ruble read: "Ticket of the State Bank of the USSR". Not a word about the Treasury.
              1. Brother Sarych
                Brother Sarych 23 September 2012 14: 15
                0
                You looked at the ruble of the 1991 model. and I wrote about the ruble of the sample 1961! The design of the notes was different, not to mention the filling ...
                Treasury bills were written on banknotes of 1961, denominations of 1, 3 and 5 rubles, bank cards were older, on banknotes of 1991, it was written everywhere that these were bank tickets ...
        3. Bort radist
          Bort radist 26 September 2012 10: 02
          0
          Quote: mongoose
          its provision was not gold but all the assets of the USSR or something like that

          Specially placed a quarter below! Click with the mouse and read the inscription.
    4. Makk
      Makk 20 September 2012 17: 08
      0
      In the current state of the industry, it will be a disaster.
    5. slav4ikus
      slav4ikus 21 September 2012 18: 45
      0
      not a dream but nostalgia, it already happened if you remember
  4. bairat
    bairat 20 September 2012 08: 40
    +7
    Yesterday I watched a report about Putin’s meeting with Nazarbayev, these two friends use dollars to assess the growth of economic cooperation between our countries. This infection has firmly settled in us, we will not get rid of it soon, we will refuse it in words, yes, yes, and when it comes down to business, everything is transferred to green.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 20 September 2012 08: 45
      +3
      if only for the dollar did not use
    2. Bekzat
      Bekzat 20 September 2012 10: 53
      +6
      I greet everyone, for Airat, I read somewhere that three countries (Belarus, Russia, Kazakhstan), having entered into the Customs Union, want to create a Single Government with a single currency, it is planned around the 2014-2015 years. If this does happen, then the ruble will be the main currency.
    3. lelyk72
      lelyk72 20 September 2012 11: 09
      +3
      I do not see a crime in assessing the financial condition in dollars, while storing the savings in something more stable (for example, in gold).
    4. edge
      edge 20 September 2012 14: 35
      0
      But what if green is the color of Islam, the color of happiness ........ Asians are greedy for everything green ...... or yellow
      1. IGR
        IGR 20 September 2012 18: 55
        +1
        It’s just that for a long time all foreign trade statistics have been counted in dollars. It’s more convenient until no alternative has been invented.
  5. predator
    predator 20 September 2012 08: 45
    +6
    Gold reserves in the state reserve of Russia in December 2008 amounted to 495,9 tons (2,2% of all countries in the world). The share of gold in the total volume of gold and foreign exchange reserves of Russia in March 2006 amounted to 3,8%. As of the beginning of 2011, Russia ranks 8th in the world in terms of the volume of gold in the state reserve. For December 2011 -836,7 tons.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 20 September 2012 09: 26
      +4
      now about 1000 tons
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 20 September 2012 13: 32
        +4
        Quote: mongoose
        now about 1000 tons


        Russia's gold reserve has grown by 53 tons since the beginning of the year (August 21, 2012)

        Since the beginning of 2012, Russia's gold reserves have grown by 53 tons. Now the stock of monetary gold in the international reserves of the country is about 936 tons.
        The stock of monetary gold in the international reserves of Russia increased by 2% to 30,1 million troy ounces, which is about 936 tons. This was reported in the materials of the Bank of Russia. Since January 2012, the gold reserve has grown by 53 tons.

        In monetary terms, the country's gold reserve grew by 5,1% to $ 48,678 billion. The share of gold in reserves reached 9,5%, and in July it amounted to exactly 9%.

        In recent years, Russia's gold reserves have been growing steadily. In the 2007 year, it was only 402 tons, and by 2012 year it reached 883 tons.

        Russia takes 6th place in the world in terms of total gold reserves. In the first place is the United States with 8,133 thousand tons, Germany with 3,396 thousand tons, Italy - 2,451 thousand tons, France - 2,435 thousand tons and China with 1,054 thousand tons.
        1. 1tankist
          1tankist 20 September 2012 14: 04
          +1
          Quote: Sergh
          In recent years, Russia's gold reserves have been growing steadily. In the 2007 year, it was only 402 tons, and by 2012 year it reached 883 tons.


          For 5 years more than 2 times !!! The pace is simply amazing.
  6. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 20 September 2012 08: 46
    +3
    It seems that soon it will be necessary to stock up, with salt, matches, cartridges and stomp into the woods!
    1. Russlana
      Russlana 20 September 2012 08: 50
      +4
      More likely to the front. Although, someone where ...
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 20 September 2012 09: 27
        +1
        at the present stage of development of military equipment, there will be no front, as they were not in the 19th century
        1. bairat
          bairat 20 September 2012 10: 17
          0
          And there will be no partisans in the usual sense either; you can’t hide in the forest anymore.
          1. Russlana
            Russlana 20 September 2012 11: 01
            0
            Yeah, the Taliban without forests partisans, and nothing. It’s easier to find in the forest than in the desert.
            1. bairat
              bairat 20 September 2012 14: 31
              +5
              You can’t hide from thermal imagers even in the forest. And even sticking his nose out of the woods all the more.
              1. Bashkaus
                Bashkaus 20 September 2012 20: 57
                0
                I looked at the video, made conclusions.
                In the 20th century, during shelling, people took refuge in craters, behind trees, machinery, etc.
                in the 21st century, psychology must change. It is necessary to take refuge in the warmest places. Psychologically difficult, but in fact you can sit on the hood of a truck that has been started and not be afraid for your health. Well, sit down, maybe I got excited, but to get under the car in the area of ​​the hood or just do it under the car. The chances of survival are much greater. Although this applies exclusively to this kind of small ambushes from under the heavy. On the battlefield, it seems to me not really. how many armored vehicles with hot engines, fires from explosions of shells, etc.
        2. Russlana
          Russlana 20 September 2012 11: 00
          0
          And what will happen, excuse me? I don’t know what you mean when talking about the XNUMXth century, but the two most terrible wars of the XNUMXth century had fronts, and many.
          1. mongoose
            mongoose 20 September 2012 12: 00
            0
            will be? partisanism and mopping-up, after air raids and ironing by tanks
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 20 September 2012 09: 27
      +1
      already stocked up, dug in the country laughing
    3. Order
      Order 20 September 2012 13: 54
      +2
      Quote: kotdavin4i
      It seems that soon it will be necessary to stock up, with salt, matches, cartridges and stomp into the woods!

      Her, first the house in the village, and then everything else: the stove, buckwheat, salt and matches ....
  7. Trailer
    Trailer 20 September 2012 08: 51
    0
    My question is, due to what, then, is the dollar holding today and how much is Russia's economy tied to the dollar?
    1. Brother Sarych
      Brother Sarych 20 September 2012 08: 57
      +2
      It is based on mutual agreement of the parties - no one is currently deprived of a collapse, the economy is attached very much, too much to conduct an independent policy ...
    2. Butterfly net
      Butterfly net 20 September 2012 09: 21
      +3
      All world payments for raw materials and just loans are in dollars. Defending this and the US military power. But they generally broke recently the scandal was that the Fed itself took it printed (it just entered it into the computer it didn’t even printed) 6 trillion and distributed it to friends and owners. So much for the dollar bubble. That's all and are afraid that the dollar will collapse. Gold is bought. If the dollar collapses, too, oh oh oh how bad it will not be necessary to deceive ourselves, so the current from the shit, the crown seemed to be drowned in shit again.
    3. mongoose
      mongoose 20 September 2012 09: 28
      0
      habit, second nature, Sarych is right, while he believes something is worth it, but at the moment he is overrated by estimates from 5 to 50 times
    4. baltika-18
      baltika-18 20 September 2012 10: 14
      +3
      Quote: Karavan
      I have a question, due to what, then, is the dollar holding today and how much is Russia's economy tied to the dollar?

      Quote: Karavan
      I have a question, due to what, then, is the dollar holding today and how much is Russia's economy tied to the dollar?

      The Russian economy is tied to the dollar very tightly. It is tied to the Constitution and the Law on the Central Bank. The state does not have the right to issue rubles. The central bank emits a ruble for the amount of foreign exchange earnings from the state, in short how many dollars were given, rubles were printed for this amount. The dollar depreciates, the ruble naturally depreciates .Only the ruble to a greater extent, since the central bank's refinancing rate is 8,5%, and in the west, the refinancing rate is no more than 2%.
      1. Russlana
        Russlana 20 September 2012 10: 58
        -1
        Do not tell me the article in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which says about pegging to the dollar?
        1. baltika-18
          baltika-18 20 September 2012 12: 29
          +1
          Quote: Russlana

          Do not tell me the article in the Constitution of the Russian Federation, which says about pegging to the dollar?

          Not pegging to the dollar, but independence from the government. Art. 75 And another federal law of 2002.
      2. mongoose
        mongoose 20 September 2012 12: 01
        -1
        ???? and the central bank leaves a private shop? Do not make me laugh, do not confuse me with the Fed. and the Central Bank specifically removed from government control, so that the temptation to turn on the machine at full power would not be
        1. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 20 September 2012 12: 14
          +4
          Good afternoon! In fact, it is, the Central Bank is a branch of a private shop under the name of the Fed. The Fed determines the policy of the Central Bank of Russia.
          Alexander 1958
        2. baltika-18
          baltika-18 20 September 2012 12: 37
          +1
          Quote: mongoose
          ???? and the central bank leaves a private shop? Do not make me laugh, do not confuse me with the Fed. and the Central Bank specifically removed from government control, so that the temptation to turn on the machine at full power would not be

          Then explain why we have such a high refinancing rate, high loan rates.
          1. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 20 September 2012 17: 42
            +3
            Good afternoon!
            Because for the functioning of the economy you need money, you can get it either from someone on credit, or by saving yourself something. But Russia’s situation is even worse. She is obliged to keep the money saved or earned on oil in banks in the USA or England and places it at the Fed rate of about 0,25% per annum, and takes loans at 5-7% - gentlemen from the Fed need to live on something. Then this money is offered to enterprises in Ukraine and Russia at 9-10% per annum. All this is the result of the country's defeat in 1991 and, as a result, the restriction of sovereignty in some issues.
            1. bairat
              bairat 20 September 2012 18: 03
              +1
              It is necessary to admit this fact and proceed from it to act. And then at every corner we shout "great Russia", and at the same time it turns out that we pay tribute, shamefully masking it. The most important thing is that the current power holders are quite satisfied with this situation, such a situation has been created that it is impossible to criticize them, but any disobedient traitor, State Department official and liberalist.
              1. MrBoris555
                MrBoris555 20 September 2012 18: 04
                0
                Well, if you're so smart, suggest something ..
              2. aksakal
                aksakal 20 September 2012 21: 14
                +3
                Quote: bairat
                this turns out to be a tribute to pay bashfully disguising it. The most important thing for the current power-holders is that this situation is quite satisfactory, such a situation has been created that it is impossible to criticize them, and every disobedient traitor, State Department official and liberalist.
                “Bayrat, they are not silent about this.” They just don’t say it once again - it’s unpleasant to say once again that you pay tribute. And those in power do not like this position. Putin made several proposals on the Central Bank to the State Duma a couple of times - these proposals were rolled. Then, instead of the Central Bank, he decided to turn VTB Bank into the Central Bank quite recently, a deafening failure of the undertaking, you remember this, people had to recover the loss from the budget. The financiers who enslaved Russia are, after all, masters of their craft, they are already the tenth generation financiers, the secrets of family skills are kept secret. Now there is some kind of attempt with gold.
                Well, if you have any suggestions, then try, what the hell is not joking. To get rid of such oppression will be more difficult than simply topple the "physical" colonizers. So what? - tired of their oppression, challenged them to a battle, met on the Kulikovo field, piled on them, and that's it, you don't pay tribute. And then ... Well, you get the idea.
                1. bairat
                  bairat 21 September 2012 07: 55
                  0
                  Aksakal, what indecisive rulers we have. Fist on the table, give the task - the FSB in a day will drive out all this banking rot. No, that mumbles in the corner wiping away tears, they do not get anything. Hand over authority once you are unable to do so, let others try.
                  1. aksakal
                    aksakal 21 September 2012 13: 29
                    +1
                    Quote: bairat
                    Fist on the table, give the task - the FSB in a day will drive out all this banking rot.
                    -
                    bayrat, somehow everything is simple with you.
                    Here the colonialist analogies are not entirely accurate. This analogy will be more accurate. Suppose you are a desk, firm, you have 14 people working in addition to you and a bunch of people in freelance work outside the state. You compete with another office, it’s more powerful, then you lose a competitive battle and feed yourself elementarily, the market is narrow, you go to work with that competitor, all the more there are mountains of gold promise, bright prospects, the market is monopolized, prices bend and cook gesheft on fair shares with a new chef. But no, something a new boss throws a lot into his pocket, pinches you on discipline, one of your coders gets out of control .... In general, not a fountain. You think about free swimming again, only out of 14 of your teams only two supported the idea, the rest think or even send it. Chef growls - you leave - go, but do not lure these, let them decide the type themselves.
                    Here is a situation like this. And she can drag such a tramp for a long time. It seems that you are still working on a hateful boss, but already with him specifically on knives, trying to share the market with him (spheres of influence, I mean), etc. And he seems to be saying, yes it is beneficial to him - the longer, the better. And you bang your fist on the table - and what will it give in general?
                    A colonial analogy - it is no longer suitable here.
                    1. aksakal
                      aksakal 21 September 2012 13: 42
                      +1
                      in addition - they hit the table with their fist and kicked out one banker's nit - do you remember the episode when Medvedev overtook Kudrin in a very harsh manner. What has changed? Never mind. And why - yes, this is not Kudrin, there is a whole complex system of financial relations, and since it is a systemic problem, then it must be solved systematically. On the last thread, we talked about this with you, and you again on simple solutions. Enough simple solutions like "Drink? Forbid alcohol!" It gives nothing. Brains and hard work.
                      And you, Bairat, it’s time to grow up and teach the materiel. No offense, nothing personal.
        3. aksakal
          aksakal 20 September 2012 21: 03
          0
          Quote: mongoose
          Do not make me laugh, do not confuse me with the Fed. and the Central Bank specifically removed from government control, so that the temptation to turn on the machine at full power would not be
          - Well, it is this specious pretext that explains the independence of the Central Bank from the government. Of course, there is a risk of temptation to turn on the printing press, but there are even more situations when turning on the press is useful for the development of the economy, but there is no such possibility. The economy is beginning to suffocate from a shortage of money supply, mutual debts are growing, companies owe each other. Remember the 90s? But amers are so reassuring - like, now it feels more like an economy doing it good? Now the gold reserves are sufficient, thank God, that would saturate the economy, but you never know. And in general, this dependence of the issue on the amount of foreign currency, moreover, the currency of a particular power and, moreover, your geopolitical adversary, in your zashashniks, I don’t like specifically
      3. aksakal
        aksakal 20 September 2012 20: 54
        +2
        Quote: baltika-18
        The Central Bank emits a ruble in the amount of foreign exchange earnings from the state, in short how many dollars were given, rubles were printed for this amount
        - catch the plus, everything is correct, only a small correction - not how many dollars were given, but how many dollars were taken from the United States, and thereby replenished their reserves of gold reserves. Well, to take dollars, you need to give something, for which dollars will be given, but it must be a real asset. For example, oil.
        Thus, the Russian Central Bank is under control, the issue of money is under control, and, consequently, the growth of the Russian economy is under control. In short, Russia in fact is a semi-colony; there is no question of full sovereignty. But trying to get away from it. Including and replenishment of gold reserves. After all, emissions are made dependent on gold reserves, i.e., GOLD and foreign exchange reserves. Do not like the currency - replenish gold. And there are no violations, Amer can’t run into the Central Bank - it is written the gold reserves, that is, either currency or gold to choose from. This time gold, what claims?
    5. gojesi
      gojesi 21 September 2012 05: 55
      +3
      Quote: Karavan
      My question is, due to what, then, is the dollar holding today and how much is Russia's economy tied to the dollar?

      very attached! one hundred percent! As a vassal is tied to the overlord, so the ruble to the buck. A bill is being prepared in the Duma, on the withdrawal of the ruble from the peg to the dollar. In the fall we have to accept ... Every year, we just so pay the states from 300 to 500 billion dollars. So Putin comes out, takes the country out of this humiliating vassal dependence
  8. asavchenko59
    asavchenko59 20 September 2012 08: 52
    +4
    We need to listen to the financiers from Wall Street and do the opposite.
    I think that it is necessary to buy up all the gold mined in the country and send it to reserves. In this case, the spiculents will not be able to carry out their actions and burst with anger.
  9. Brother Sarych
    Brother Sarych 20 September 2012 08: 56
    +1
    Increasingly, there is information that gold bullion is gold only on the outside - are all bullion checked properly? Will it not turn out in the end that the gold in the gold reserve is not entirely gold?
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 20 September 2012 09: 40
      +8
      Quote: Brother Sarich
      Increasingly, there is information that gold bullion is gold only on the outside - are all bullion checked properly? Will it not turn out in the end that the gold in the gold reserve is not entirely gold?


      But the tungsten that is sometimes slipped into gold is used for cores of armor-piercing shells to possibly subsequently knock out not only everything else from unscrupulous and greyhound partners, but also interest. Just kidding.
      Certainly, given the experience of the Chinese, our goods are carefully checked.
    2. nmd_1
      nmd_1 20 September 2012 10: 10
      +2
      We have our own gold mining, probably this moment is controlled.
  10. andrei332809
    andrei332809 20 September 2012 09: 01
    +1
    I read about refining plants. in the USSR, gold bars produced 99,99 purity, and the rest of the world drove 99,95. therefore, gold with the sickle and hammer was the most desirable of all. after the arrival of Yelkin, they drove another two years using Soviet technology, and then switched to global 99,95.
  11. JonnyT
    JonnyT 20 September 2012 09: 21
    +2
    Why does the replenishment of gold reserves by Russia worry the West?

    Yes, this is banal envy and fear !!! They ruined their economies and still teach us what to do, but this is ridiculous !!!!
  12. kush62
    kush62 20 September 2012 09: 28
    0
    They themselves are already in debt for the most reluctant, but they still try to teach us how to live properly. If they boil over with boiling water, then we’re doing it right. Forty years the weight of the world is tied to a buck, so it is not so easy to get rid of it.
  13. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 20 September 2012 09: 39
    0
    historical currency, 999 gold and it is constantly growing, also a fact
  14. with
    with 20 September 2012 09: 54
    +7
    To show that stocking with gold will not lead to anything good for Russia, the statement of such a notorious person as Warren Buffett is published, who once said that a person takes out gold from one hole, then to put it into another hole. According to some Western economists, this position today looks completely ineffective, and the same economists call all the desire of Russia to increase its gold reserves stock just ridiculous.

    Laughs the one who laughs last!
    GDP just does nothing, it’s time for the West to remember that!
    1. Forward
      Forward 20 September 2012 13: 31
      +4
      Quote: met
      GDP just does nothing, it’s time for the West to remember that!

      Here I am about the same! Since the West has started to gasp, then the GDP is doing everything right! wink
  15. baltika-18
    baltika-18 20 September 2012 09: 55
    +3
    Gold is not a panacea for all ills. It’s just enough to find out who sets the price of gold. Gold price has been set in London since 1919 by the representatives of the 5 largest banks twice a day (10.30 am-morning fixing, 15.00-evening fixing). Just 5 uncles call each other, consult and decide how much an ounce will cost. All banks are members of the Association of Gold Market Participants. I will not list the names of the banks, who are interested can easily be found on the Internet, controlled by the same notorious Rothschild clan.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 20 September 2012 12: 03
      -6
      baby, gold costs exactly as much as you are willing to pay for it, do not read communist mantras
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 20 September 2012 21: 39
        0
        Strange, below Urzul for confirmation of your words they gave pluses, and you have minuses. They would soften the tone, people would stretch.
        So I agree that gold fluctuates and its price is in free market fluctuations. Three years ago (I don't remember exactly) I conducted a technical analysis at the rate of gold, then it cost a little less than a piece of dollars (something around $ 890) per troy ounce. Based on the results of technical analysis, I decided to take it, took forty ounces. After a while, I sold it for 1200 per ounce. Now I would sell it even more expensive, I just didn't have enough patience to keep it. And they needed free money. So, since the method of technical analysis works, then gold is in free float. But someone very rich can make a big difference in the price. This impact is called intervention. For example, if the yen strengthens too much against the dollar, then the main bank of Japan can bring it down by selling large volumes of dollars, which BOJ has above the roof and thereby drive the yen away from the undesirable level. So the price of gold, if anyone needs it, can be influenced. But mostly gold in free float.
    2. urzul
      urzul 20 September 2012 12: 18
      +5
      During the fixing process, representatives of the “golden five” maintain continuous contact with their dealers, and through them with trading companies offering and / or buying physical (real as opposed to futures and optional gold contracts) gold from around the world. The procedure begins with the chairman announcing the price that he considers optimal at the moment. If there are no sellers at this price, then the price rises. If there are no buyers, then the price goes down. If counter offers are received, the ratio between sellers and buyers of gold is calculated. This process continues until there is a market equilibrium between supply and demand.
  16. volcano
    volcano 20 September 2012 09: 56
    +1
    Let’s see how these American wise men and pros will laugh and teach when Russia and China (and very many can follow them) will switch to the gold exchange standard, and they will demand gold for their products .....
    Here's the laughter that will be in the USA and Europe ...... no matter how much they die from him (laughter) .... in the literal and figurative sense.
  17. Moga
    Moga 20 September 2012 09: 59
    +1
    The Rothschilds and the Rockefellers are sitting on gold. Putin understands this and also joined the game. And Buffett and other stock investors are just a bunch for us.
  18. AIR ZNAK
    AIR ZNAK 20 September 2012 10: 04
    +1
    China and Japan negotiated settlements in the nat. currency. US government bonds are traded in dollars. The Central Bank's gold and currency reserves include them. That would be less of these bonds and more independence. In gold, of course.
  19. Andrei.B
    Andrei.B 20 September 2012 10: 08
    0
    and tyler is normal ..?
  20. Rumata
    Rumata 20 September 2012 10: 27
    -5
    Why on earth would a currency backed by gold, but not a stable and strong economy, be more effective than a dollar? Dasha, if Russia buys up all the free gold on the planet, the ruble will not become a world currency ...
    Profan article
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 20 September 2012 12: 05
      +3
      and if Russia begins to sell oil-gas-electricity-aluminum and so on only for rubles and gold? even as it becomes!
      This is not a single day issue, but there is progress
      1. Rumata
        Rumata 20 September 2012 12: 17
        0
        EUROPE would be very glad to sell Russia oil for gold or rubles secured by gold, =))
        1. volcano
          volcano 20 September 2012 16: 29
          0
          Quote: Rumata
          EUROPE would be very happy to sell Russia oil for gold or rubles secured by gold,


          Do you seriously think so ???
          I think they would begin to sob with burning tears ..... and tie their belts tighter .... for in the choice of satisfying and tasty to eat and freeze to death ..... I think he will win more modestly eat and not freeze.
  21. sergo0000
    sergo0000 20 September 2012 10: 35
    0
    The article, as always with Alexey, is excellent!
    BUT! Only one point is embarrassing. It is not clear how it is possible to stabilize the price of this precious metal? And is it generally possible to do this with the mere desire of Russia? What is the mechanism and who will allow it?
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 20 September 2012 10: 58
      +1
      Quote: sergo0000
      BUT! Only one point is embarrassing. It is not clear how it is possible to stabilize the price of this precious metal? And is it generally possible to do this with the mere desire of Russia? What is the mechanism and who will allow it?

      In fact of the matter.
      Europe and the USA have 21000 tons, in order for Russia to catch up with them, they need to spend 1.3 trillion bucks, and even after that the gold reserve will be 50 to 50. If the ruble is provided with gold, then everyone will be able to collapse its exchange rate. France decides to throw 1000 tons and in Russia everything will rise sharply, and a high rate will cause inflation. The situation will be like now with oil (though for other reasons), when a strong drop in value directly affects the Russians. It is only so easy to oversaturated the gold market and lead to a temporary collapse in prices. Plus, the transition to gold will kill the modern banking system in Russia, especially if Europe and the United States remain with the dollar and euro ...
      1. Andrey_K
        Andrey_K 20 September 2012 12: 06
        0
        Gold does not need to be tied to a currency - its benefits are different.
        In which case, gold can be sold ... to the public - in the form of various beautiful coins or bank bullions.
        Those. you can always stop hyperinflation if it is caused by external artificial reasons.
        Gold is like an anchor for a ship that you can always drop into the sea and avoid shipwreck, the heavier the anchor, the more reliable it holds the ship.
        Here is the American gold reserve - it is he who stops all possible attacks on the dollar - if suddenly someone decides to bring it down, then this reserve can very quickly be used to buy up temporarily cheaper dollars and "punish" those who will throw them into the market.
        Now it’s equivalent to half a trillion - in the event of a crisis, these half a trillion will turn into two or three trillion - that’s how much will have to be spent to bring down the dollar and even a gold reserve will not help.
      2. Alexander 1958
        Alexander 1958 20 September 2012 12: 20
        +1
        Good afternoon! You have some strange logic .. France will decide to drop 1000 tons and everything will rise in price sharply, .. First of all, the French currency will fall and the price of gold itself, the ruble will fall too, but much less since he is provided with other resources. Alexander 1958
        1. with
          with 20 September 2012 12: 22
          +2
          Quote: Alexander 1958
          First of all, the French currency will fall

          Do not tell me the French currency, otherwise I forgot something?
          1. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 20 September 2012 16: 30
            0
            And you go to the currency directory and everything is written there ...
          2. slav4ikus
            slav4ikus 21 September 2012 19: 01
            0
            Euro, as far as I know, France, the euro zone and francs are already in the past
        2. Rumata
          Rumata 20 September 2012 12: 49
          +1
          They buy 1 trillion rubles (1 tons of gold) backed by gold, for which they can borrow for themselves, that is, print. I don’t know how it will be possible to control fraud and the game to lower or increase the value of gold and the ruble, at the same time.
          1. volcano
            volcano 20 September 2012 16: 41
            0
            Quote: Rumata
            They buy 1 trillion rubles (1 tons of gold) endowed with gold, for euros


            How can they buy the "golden ruble" for the Euro .... it will be impossible in principle .... I doubt that we are so stupid that we will allow buying our gold ruble for pieces of paper .....
          2. MrBoris555
            MrBoris555 20 September 2012 17: 06
            0
            The exchange rate, if they will seal the euro, then our Central Bank will increase the exchange rate, but first we need to nationalize the Central Bank
            1. volcano
              volcano 20 September 2012 18: 04
              0
              Quote: MrBoris555
              The exchange rate, if they will seal the euro, then our Central Bank will increase the exchange rate, but first we need to nationalize the Central Bank


              yes, and here is the rate ... we say that gentlemen, you can buy the Russian ruble either for gold or for a currency also backed by gold (but at the exchange rate ... depending on what kind of gold backing a particular currency has) and if you have just pieces of paper "secured" by your word of honor .... then go to the forest ...
              That's all....
              and no need to reinvent the wheel .... such relationships are old as the world ...
              1. Rumata
                Rumata 20 September 2012 19: 54
                0
                Quote: volkan
                yes, and here is the rate ... we say that gentlemen, you can buy the Russian ruble either for gold or for a currency also backed by gold (but at the exchange rate ... depending on what kind of gold backing a particular currency has) and if you have just pieces of paper "secured" by your word of honor .... then go to the forest ...
                That's all....
                and no need to reinvent the wheel .... such relationships are old as the world ...

                =) They will say well, and go with your non-convertible currency ... And how are you going to pay for imports and services? Gold? Or gold rubles, which partners can’t spend anywhere? Or is this how the whole planet will immediately switch to the ruble?
      3. volcano
        volcano 20 September 2012 16: 32
        0
        Quote: Rumata
        If the ruble is provided with gold, then its course will be able to collapse all and sundry. France decides to throw 1000 tons


        Do you even imagine how it is ??? Throw 1000 tons .... it is your opinion that the same as throwing pieces of paper called stock or dollar ???

        And as for the collapse, throwing gold to the market is generally cool ..... who wants to throw so much gold to the wind to collapse someone ??? Given that gold themselves need ..
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 20 September 2012 20: 03
          0
          Quote: volkan
          Do you even imagine how it is ??? Throw 1000 tons .... it is your opinion that the same as throwing pieces of paper called stock or dollar ???

          And as for the collapse, throwing gold to the market is generally cool ..... who wants to throw so much gold to the wind to collapse someone ??? Given that gold themselves need ..

          Daily turnover of drags. metals on the London Stock Exchange, 560 tons, gold about half ....
          And why throw gold? Gold exchange, well, the golden ruble. As a result, we do not have a metal whose price is predictable, but a currency that can both rise and fall due to thousands of factors.
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 20 September 2012 12: 08
      0
      when the dollar barks, but unfortunately I’m afraid we will find it in our lifetime (there’ll be another circus), then the window of opportunities
      there will be several sub-regional currencies, especially those countries that will suffer the least in the wave of the crisis caused by the collapse of the Fed, and not the fact that it will be the yuan, too, the Chinese economy is still tied to the United States and the EU
  22. abeluk
    abeluk 20 September 2012 10: 39
    0
    what good fellows Americans are able to convince that gold is bad, but cut paper is good! our all economists, the newly-minted ones, all studied in America and look into their mouths. So I won’t be surprised if the Medvedev’s government takes this.
  23. DAGESTAN333
    DAGESTAN333 20 September 2012 10: 45
    +6
    The time of godless moneylenders is drawing to a close. Worst thing for them - fair distribution of wealth on earth.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 20 September 2012 12: 09
      -4
      Yeah, muftis are not distributed laughing
  24. Alonso
    Alonso 20 September 2012 10: 55
    +5
    Such information pressure is simply delight for the ears. If your competitor scolds you, then you are on the right track.
  25. dimon-media
    dimon-media 20 September 2012 11: 03
    +3
    Together with China and India, we need to crush this "dirty green piece of paper" (as V.V. Zhirinovsky called it in one of his address to Bush. You can crush it quite easily, just withdraw dollars from your dual-currency baskets, replacing them with a new unit of account In principle, it is high time to create a new reserve currency of the SCO countries. Somewhere with the edge of my ear I heard that such a monetary unit is being created. In this case, the markets will simply be oversaturated with trillions of countries withdrawn from the reserve with non-liquid "bucks" and will collapse in the blink of an eye below the baseboard. will cost more than that dirty and worthless dollar.
    PS zadolbali these amers. They see that the end of their supposedly powerful and powerful economy, based on the parasitization of other economies and other people's resources, is coming to an end. I think everyone is fed up with feeding pindos.
    I forgot to emphasize that Russia is in third place in gold and foreign exchange reserves. The first and second places are Japan and China .. The fate of the dollar is in the hands of these countries.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 20 September 2012 11: 16
      +1
      Quote: dimon-media
      koby oh and powerful economy

      That is, the economy is not powerful? I will tell you a secret that not everyone feeds the amers, but the amers feed everyone because they are the BIGGEST CONSUMER of products and services on the planet, and there is a high chance that what they do at the Uryupensky meat and frying plant will eventually settle in the United States, that is, they pay. If they don’t buy, nothing will change in the USA, and Uryupinsk will lose orders and have to fire people. This is in general terms, for example, to listen to you so the United States takes a percentage of the salary of everyone on earth and lives on it.
      Quote: dimon-media
      I forgot to emphasize that Russia ranks third in gold and foreign exchange reserves

      Only gold in the foreign exchange reserves of these countries is less than Switzerland =)
      1. dimon-media
        dimon-media 20 September 2012 11: 30
        +3
        Quote: Rumata
        it’s not everyone feeds amers, and amers feed everyone

        Yes, well?)) Directly, if the amers will not buy our goods, then our manufacturer will be bent in the lack of money?)) You say nonsense. There are many markets around the world.
        Quote: Rumata
        for they are the BIGGEST CONSUMER of products

        That's it, they are the biggest consumer, but not the manufacturer! To consume, you must first EARN! This is called parasitism! like to have everything and not work .. and you can create the appearance of work ..
        1. Rumata
          Rumata 20 September 2012 12: 07
          0
          They are both the largest producer and consumer at the same time. Before you write this kind of work at least go to the wiki. US GDP is 30% of the GDP of all countries, with imports of goods to 1900 billion, they export to 1 billion. I do not always agree with US policy, but denying that they have a strong economy, industry or army is stupid. And about the fact that there are many markets, if 300% of the goods produced in the world go to the USA, then roughly speaking, if they stop buying, then enterprises will lose 60% of orders. Actually more. For example, a factory in Germany buys 60 types of billets at different factories in Russia, collects iron that goes to the USA if they stop buying irons, in Germany there’s simply no place to sell them, they will produce less, buy in Russia too. As a result, it will affect enterprises the whole cycle, from plastic production and metal smelting, to assembly and delivery.
          1. Alexander 1958
            Alexander 1958 20 September 2012 12: 35
            +7
            For
            Rumata

            Good afternoon! This will probably disappoint you a lot, but the US is not the largest producer, but the consumer, yes. What they produce in real food is about 10%, and what they consume is about 40% of world consumption. You are confusing the GDP figures published by the US with the actual level of production of goods. The US budget is 70% income from financial speculation, from which you also have to pay taxes the same way as from the production of cars, Plus to this - the uncontrolled emission of FRS dollars. The dollar is actually backed by goods and liquid assets by no more than 10%. And the problem is precisely that by consuming 40% of the world GDP and producing only 10% of the difference, they cover the emission, i.e. it is a worldwide tax on US maintenance. And the situation is exactly the opposite of your example with the Uryupino factory. which sells its real goods for cut paper. You can call me a putinoid, but this is exactly what Putin spoke about in one of his speeches, when he called the United States a world parasite and parasite. And about your concern about irons - rightly worry! Sooner or later no one wants to buy anything for a dollar. and most likely for a dollar they can "kick in the face" and the sooner Germany finds markets for its goods for real values ​​provided either with goods (China) or resources (Russia), the more peaceful its future will be.
            Alexander 1958
            1. Rumata
              Rumata 20 September 2012 13: 17
              0
              Alexandro is and PPP GDP and value added GDP high due to speculation?
              The population of the United States 350000000 40% of the most golden billion, and what is surprising is that they consume 40% of production. Multiply 7% of Germany by 4, as the population is 4 times smaller and the result will be similar. 20% of the GDP is thinking, is there also fraud? And the fact that the USA is in third place in steel production, by 2 polymers, by 2 primary aluminum, etc. Practically in any industry, they are at least 5-ke.
              1. Alexander 1958
                Alexander 1958 20 September 2012 17: 00
                +1
                For rumata
                High GDP per se is not bad, the bad thing is that it is primarily filled with speculative securities transactions and, secondly, the competitiveness of industry is artificially supported by using virtually interest-free lending with the help of the Fed. As soon as such opportunities in connection with the devaluation of the dollar disappear and at the same time it will be necessary to purchase sharply more expensive components and raw materials, American companies will begin to close en masse selling your irons when the US can no longer buy for devalued dollars or rather Germany will demand something more real than the dollar for its irons. And if there is no sales, problems will begin in Germany itself, such as the closure of enterprises, unemployment, the budget filling, etc. will decrease. The fact that approximately 60% of Germany’s automotive industry products are manufactured by China is also cause for concern. And the fact that they are everywhere in the 5-ke manufacturers confirmation of the fact of America's reindustrialization. because in 1949, the United States produced 49 percent of the world's GDP i.e. almost as much as all the others combined. but look now at its share in the production of the same steel or other products. Yes, there is such a concept - the division of labor. When are polymers or meth. rental is not in full cycle, but only finishing. those. the initial stage in the form of extraction of iron ore, coal, smelting of pig iron and steel is done in other countries., but statistics show that the USA is in third place in terms of rolled metal production. In terms of ecology, this is good, and more profit when the Chinese do it for a penny, and what will the American metallurgists do - live on benefits or work at McDonald's?
                Alexander 1958
                1. Rumata
                  Rumata 20 September 2012 20: 15
                  0
                  Quote: Alexander 1958
                  High GDP per se is not bad, the bad thing is that it is primarily filled with speculative transactions with securities and secondly, the competitiveness of industry is artificially supported by using almost interest-free lending with the help of the Fed

                  Then tell me what will prevent the USA from gradually withdrawing into the domestic market? Indeed, in fact, they consume more than they need, they can reduce it at times. Bought from other countries, because it is cheaper, thereby raising unemployment.
                  In the USA there are also resources, specialists, the population and the industrial base in order to produce everything that is needed after some time and purchase only raw materials.
                  This is despite the fact that in many areas of trade, they will still continue to buy from the United States. If Intel and AMD transfer all production to the United States, they will lose money, earn less, but the rest of the world will not stop buying from them. So it is with many services.
                  1. MrBoris555
                    MrBoris555 20 September 2012 20: 19
                    0
                    Companies, most corporations need markets, and the domestic market is very small, especially if new reserve currencies appear
                    1. Rumata
                      Rumata 20 September 2012 21: 43
                      0
                      Quote: MrBoris555
                      Companies, most corporations need markets, and the domestic market is very small, especially if new reserve currencies appear

                      I do not say not to sell, I mean not to buy or produce in someone else's territory. For example, the United States fully provides itself with food, meat, milk, poultry, wheat and corn, remains decent and goes for export.
                      The fact is that the United States has a unique situation, due to the large reserves of natural resources and a very large population, or rather the third country on the planet after China and India, slightly overtakes Indonesia. Very well-developed infrastructure and logistics, (railway, pipe and oil pipelines, roads, electricity, air traffic, etc.)
                  2. Alexander 1958
                    Alexander 1958 20 September 2012 22: 41
                    +1
                    For rumata
                    What prevents you from closing on the inner roar? Today, the USA has a lot of achievements in the field of technology, and in production and science, but this is not enough to remain a superpower. Military expenditures equal to the military expenditures of all other countries combined, an inefficient economy based on the needle of free money, huge debts - all this will collapse on America as soon as it tries to close within its market. The pendulum will swing in the opposite direction and there will be many who want to present the US bills for payment as soon as they weaken. The example of the USSR, which they conquered with the help of traitors, and plundered and almost subdued, seems to them the ultimate dream. They have raw materials, but the cost of oil production in Saudi Arabia is much less. than in the United States and accordingly it will go to the price of final goods that, being produced in the USA, will be uncompetitive and enterprises will be unprofitable and will be bankrupt. They will not earn less - they will go broke ... Consumption will have to be reduced at times, and if so, there will be no funds to support the huge armed forces, hundreds of bases around the world, space satellite constellation, there will be no funds for social programs and will not there will be opportunities to employ or support people who do not have work and livelihoods. These are social conflicts and the collapse of the state. The only question is whether this process will take place peacefully or the United States will try to solve its problems with the help of weapons.
                    Alexander 1958
                    1. MrBoris555
                      MrBoris555 20 September 2012 22: 45
                      +1
                      And do not forget that most industries are deployed abroad, and the real GDP, according to experts, is almost doubled. I’ll give an example, you earned 100 bucks, but you became sad and went to a psychologist, he cured you and you gave him a hundred Bucks of yours. Guess how much GDP you created? That's right, for 200 bucks ..
  26. Bort radist
    Bort radist 20 September 2012 11: 56
    +1
    There was a time the dollar was worth 60 or 90 cents.
    1. Rumata
      Rumata 20 September 2012 12: 22
      -4
      He didn’t cost, they told us that it costs so much, but it was not realistic to buy at these prices, and try to explain the dollar to you. The real rate was 3-4 times higher.
      1. v53993
        v53993 20 September 2012 19: 25
        +2
        Not real, but speculative. It's time to understand the difference. By the way, today, given the real purchasing power, it is speculative.
      2. Axel
        Axel 26 September 2012 22: 50
        0
        At that time, for 1 $ 2 rubles they were given in Odessa, the ruble was equal to the dollar only when Tsarist Russia was and then not for long
        And the ruble as it was wooden remained
    2. urzul
      urzul 20 September 2012 12: 29
      +3
      However, then, in the sixty-first, few people paid attention to one oddity: before the reform, the dollar was worth four rubles, and after it was held, the course was assigned to 90 kopecks. Many people were naively glad that the ruble became more expensive than the dollar, but if you change the old money to a new one to ten, then the dollar should have been worth not 90, but only 40 kopecks. The same thing happened with gold content: instead of receiving gold content equal to 2,22168 grams, the ruble received only 0,987412 g of gold. Thus, the ruble was undervalued 2,25 times, and the purchasing power of the ruble in relation to imported goods, respectively, decreased by the same amount.

      It is not for nothing that the permanent head of the People's Commissariat of Finance, 1938, and then the Minister of Finance Arseny G. Zverev, who did not agree with the reform plan, left 16 of May, 1960 of the year, as head of the Ministry of Finance. He left immediately after the 4 of May 1960 of the year in the Kremlin signed the resolution No. 470 of the Council of Ministers of the USSR "On changing the scale of prices and replacing the current circulating money with new money." This native of the village of Negodyaev of the Klin district of the Moscow province could not but understand what this reform would lead to and did not want to participate in this matter.

      The consequences of this reform were devastating: imports rose sharply, and foreign things, which the Soviet buyer hadn’t really spoiled before, turned into luxury goods.

      But not only from this suffered the Soviet citizens. Despite all the assurances of the party and the government that only the exchange of old money for new ones takes place, the same as in France the previous year, when de Gaulle introduced new francs, the private market reacted to this reform in a special way: if state prices have changed exactly ten times, then on the market they have changed on average only 4,5 times. The market is not fooled. So, if in December 1960 potatoes were worth a ruble in the state trade, and in the market from 75 kopecks to 1 rubles. 30 cop., Then in January, as was prescribed by the reform, the shop potatoes were sold at 10 kopecks per kilogram. However, the potatoes on the market already cost 33 pennies. Similar things happened with other products and, especially, with meat - for the first time since 1950, market prices have again exceeded store prices.

      What did it lead to? And the fact that the store vegetables have dramatically lost in quality. It turned out to be more profitable for zavmagam to merge quality goods with market speculators, put the proceeds in cash and report on the implementation of the plan. The difference in price between the purchase price of the speculator and the state price was put by the storekeeper in his pocket. In stores, however, there remained only what the speculators themselves refused, that is, that it was impossible to sell on the market. As a result, people stopped taking almost all the grocery products, and began to go to the market. Everyone was pleased: the head of the store, and the speculator, and the trade authorities, who had everything in their reports in a normal manner, and with which the head masters, naturally, shared. The only dissatisfied was the people, whose interests were thought of at the very least.
      1. urzul
        urzul 20 September 2012 12: 31
        +4
        The departure of products from the store to the more expensive market has hurt the welfare of the people. If in 1960 a year with an average salary in 783 of a ruble a person could buy 1044 a kilogram of potatoes, in 1961 with an average salary in 81,3 of a ruble only 246 a kilogram. It was possible, of course, to stand in a two-hour queue, to buy cheap store potatoes, which could be bought 813 kg for wages, but as a result they brought home one rot, and after cleaning remained at a loss.

        The rise in prices was not limited to the January jump, but continued in subsequent years. In 1962, potato prices in the markets of large cities of the country amounted to 123% to 1961, in 1963 - to 122% to 1962, and in the first half of 1964 - to 114% to first half of 1963.

        Especially difficult was the situation in the regions. While in Moscow and Leningrad the situation in the stores was somehow controlled, then in the regional and district centers many types of products completely disappeared from the state trade.

        The collective farmers also did not hurry to hand over the products to the state, because the purchasing prices also changed in the ratio of 1: 10, and not 100: 444, as it should be changed, based on the gold and currency parity. Most of the products they also began to export to the market.
        1. str73
          str73 20 September 2012 13: 13
          +5
          And this is thanks to N.S. Khrushchev, the whistleblower of the tyrant Stalin. It was under his leadership that the economy began to grow weak and died with the assistance of another leader - Gorbachev.
          1. psdf
            psdf 25 September 2012 06: 12
            0
            Over the years, emnip, a number of reforms have been carried out, including education. The results are all about the same.
            It is interesting to compare what happened in the 90s with that process. Ideology and a common line are one.
        2. Makk
          Makk 20 September 2012 17: 34
          0
          Did they dig the information themselves? If from one source, then please indicate.
          1. baltika-18
            baltika-18 20 September 2012 18: 34
            +1
            Quote: Makk
            Did they dig the information themselves? If from one source, then please indicate.

            Russian portal. On the main page. Monetary reform of 1961.
            1. aksakal
              aksakal 21 September 2012 15: 26
              0
              Quote: baltika-18
              Russian portal. On the main page. Monetary reform of 1961.

              - I didn’t see the reform of 61, but I personally suffered from the reform of this goat Pavlov, somewhere in the late 80s. In general, the Soviet authorities abused monetary reforms, citing the fact that it is necessary to take away unearned income from the damned speculators! And damned speculators - the same ordinary builder, honestly plowed the day at a construction site, in the evening, without even having dinner, once, he did repairs in his neighbor’s apartment for cash. And here is our beloved conscientious government with a flick of the wrist ... and the opponents are monetary reform! Not everything in the USSR was rosy, alas. The boorish attitude towards the population and its consumer mood was also, alas.
              In light of this, sometimes you still think about whether to hang around on the dollar again or trust our relatives again. And if you trust, will such tricks go again? Sorry, I don’t feel like it anymore.
    3. v53993
      v53993 20 September 2012 19: 22
      0
      Everything once returns to square one.
    4. mongoose
      mongoose 21 September 2012 08: 10
      -4
      cool inscription, all property, how is it? a bag of straw? shoes factory fast walker? machine shaggy year of manufacture?
      ps Typical Soviet propaganda
  27. cucun
    cucun 20 September 2012 12: 17
    +1
    First we need to nationalize the ruble ... In fact, at the moment it is not ours, alas ...
  28. PiP
    PiP 20 September 2012 12: 18
    +2
    Always and at all times had a PRICE only that something tangible that can be applied to use. The paper will always remain paper even if it says "Bank notes are secured by gold, precious metals and other assets of the State Bank" or "In God We Trust". Paper money can only be used in peacetime and then by agreement. And if you remember the Second World War, the price of the paper becomes immediately clear. All monetary affairs between countries were conducted with the help of precious metals and stones. And it doesn't matter what the exchange rate of the dollar against the euro or the ruble will be, because the future is not known, what awaits us there. Analysts can predict the rise or fall of the economy, and tomorrow evil "aliens" (Indians, cowboys and others ....) will attack us and at least we can make arrowheads out of gold, and given the fact that not only gold is in reserve but platinum, silver stones are different, then returning to the stone age we will be kings fellow
  29. Wertynskiy
    Wertynskiy 20 September 2012 12: 36
    +1
    Gold is gold, but no less valuable product is good roads, renovated schools, educational and medical systems ... Maybe this money should be sent there, because this is truly an investment that will be "repaid" with 100% probability. I believe that the only support of the state, and the best investment should be the PEOPLE!
  30. George IV
    George IV 20 September 2012 12: 37
    0
    I didn’t understand a bit here.
    Comrades cite figures of gold reserves and Germany is in second place there.
    If they do not lie, then the entire gold reserve of Germany was transported to the United States after the war. Or is it separately considered not adding to the American?
  31. datur
    datur 20 September 2012 13: 14
    0
    gold prices have been growing for 12 years in a row, such a long speculation !!!
    1. Auchan
      Auchan 20 September 2012 20: 23
      -2
      http://greencard-win.livejournal.com/936.html

      None of the modern currencies can be backed by gold. Physically, there is not so much gold in the world to appreciate the achievements of Human civilization, so all the talk about the "golden ruble" is a senseless tale for impressionable ordinary people. The explored reserves of gold on planet Earth amount to 100 thousand tons. At the same time, the world gold and foreign exchange reserves of gold for 2012 are estimated at 32 thousand tons (if you fuse all this gold together, you get a cube with a side of only 12 meters).
  32. Averias
    Averias 20 September 2012 13: 19
    +2
    I really liked this article, the quote: who once said that a person takes out gold from one pit, then to put it into another pit. ehe let it be so, let it be a pit - only this pit is ours and it is ours accordingly. And then, for example, Germany gave part of its US gold reserve for storage (WHY!?!?) And now they are tormented by vague doubts that it will be problematic to get it back.
  33. datur
    datur 20 September 2012 13: 27
    +2
    By the way, the Americans said they would launch their own typewriter to improve the economy (approximately 1 trillion) - it’s normal to live like this when the printing press is in the yard !!!! take it and print to yourself, as much as you want and when you want !!!! belay feel wassat laughing and whoever is the enemy of democracy !!!! feel yes laughing
    PS.
    after World War II, more than 2% of the gold reserves of the TOTAL west were concentrated where? correctly in the stronghold of world democracy; only France in the person of DE HOLLEH was able to consume and snatch their gold from them (the amers then pissed boiling water) and the rest were afraid !!!
    1. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 20 September 2012 17: 09
      +2
      Good afternoon!
      Developing your post, I always remember a scene from the Soviet film "Wedding in Malinovka" when Popandopulo tries to buy a cross from a priest for a million, and then says ... well, take it for 2 million, I'll draw myself some more! .. they will print as much as necessary, and then more and more ..
      Alexander 1958
  34. strannik595
    strannik595 20 September 2012 13: 31
    +1
    people die for metal ....... do not die people! smile
  35. bubla5
    bubla5 20 September 2012 15: 05
    +1
    Buying gold for a country is probably better than saving up dollars and euros, so the announcement of shifting from one hole to another is just a verbal bluff and a game
    1. Simon
      Simon 20 September 2012 15: 56
      0
      I completely agree with you on all 100. yes
  36. xoma58
    xoma58 20 September 2012 15: 49
    0
    Once upon a time, Russia had more gold than everyone else. or maybe combined. It would probably be good to return to this state.
    1. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 20 September 2012 20: 06
      0
      The United States has the largest gold reserve, purchasing it for cut color paper
  37. MrBoris555
    MrBoris555 20 September 2012 15: 57
    +3
    Gold, Silver and other precious and rare-earth metals are what you need to buy ...
  38. Sleptsoff
    Sleptsoff 20 September 2012 16: 19
    0
    Because at one point, the gold of Russia and China will bring down the US economy.
  39. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 20 September 2012 16: 30
    +2
    The United States canceled the gold content of the dollar; it has a public debt of 16 tril., As a result, the dollar has turned into cut paper, and is the main export unit. "Gold is gold in Africa" ​​After the collapse of the USSR, the price of gold is only increasing.
  40. DUTCH
    DUTCH 20 September 2012 18: 05
    0
    Regarding tungsten. Here p ... be crooks, the scale is what. Ostap Bender resting)))))))
    1. stariy
      stariy 20 September 2012 21: 01
      0
      Quote: DUTCH
      Ostap Bender is resting

      Comrade Bender honored the criminal code, and here the crook without honor and conscience, the homeland and the flag.
  41. Bern
    Bern 20 September 2012 18: 24
    0
    If they do not see the point, then with which x ... bothered ??
    1. v53993
      v53993 20 September 2012 19: 18
      +1
      From that, they took care that others see the point. And the USA is so used to fooling the brains of the world that they have not noticed that they themselves are fooling themselves first.
  42. Stasi.
    Stasi. 20 September 2012 19: 33
    +1
    An increase in gold and foreign exchange reserves is very good. The more gold, the stronger the country's economy and currency. in addition to replenishing gold, one more thing should be done - withdraw your financial assets from American and Western banks and connect them to our economy. After all, these assets support the entire Western and American economy, and if they are withdrawn, the West will have a big deal.
    1. Ares1
      Ares1 21 September 2012 19: 49
      +1
      quote = Stasi.] one more thing should be done - withdraw their financial assets from American and Western banks and connect them to our economy [/ quote] So it is logical if those in power plan to live in their own country and develop it, and here, alas - Highly paid hired top managers ... Hired by the very ones, without whom it is good, where they are not. But they, unfortunately, are everywhere ...
  43. Ares1
    Ares1 20 September 2012 19: 34
    0
    Somehow it all looks very strange ... Isn’t we here too? In one team ... Buy, buy, buy - and then ... Wham! Price drop. And in ... opera. Again. This is either a round stupidity (which cannot be a priori) on our part, or a banal conspiracy. And, to be logical to the end, then the execution of the order from the higher authorities. But we have such a school ... Let’s remember, but where do we keep the little gold? Tea, aren't the sellers? And, if it’s a bit of a sight for myself, is it not with tungsten in an embrace? Some questions ...
  44. Auchan
    Auchan 20 September 2012 20: 22
    -3
    http://greencard-win.livejournal.com/936.html

    Why the dollar, yuan and the ruble can not be provided with gold
    1. studentmati
      studentmati 20 September 2012 23: 00
      -1
      Sad but true.
  45. timurpl
    timurpl 20 September 2012 20: 45
    +1
    Let the Americans talk better about where the gold bars from the WTC ruins have gone!
  46. studentmati
    studentmati 20 September 2012 23: 33
    0
    Gold -Yes !!! The rest is a game.
  47. valerius
    valerius 21 September 2012 20: 01
    +1
    Keeping reserves in dollars, we sponsor the United States. By storing them in gold, we show these bandits a combination of 3 fingers.
  48. Goldy
    Goldy 21 September 2012 20: 16
    0
    if you haven’t seen it, watch a YouTube video How the US Federal Reserve Makes MONEY OUT OF ANYTHING - Out of thin air! much will become clear
  49. vikruss
    vikruss 21 September 2012 22: 25
    0
    You guys should not pay attention to this western-crap financial "experts". They want deliberately drive all other countries to a "waste land, resource additions". Then start few wars and sell weapons for a HARD GOLD, that's what they've done in WW2. That's what they do know. Printing their dollars and getting real staff instead. Besides US is the biggest gold reserve holder at this time, if anybody doesn't know.
    1. bubla5
      bubla5 26 September 2012 12: 59
      0
      you kind of got in the wrong way and got
  50. Konsdneprovsky
    Konsdneprovsky 21 September 2012 23: 32
    +2
    "If our enemies scold us, then we are doing everything right !!!"