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Russian Amazons. Double portrait against the background of wars and revolutions

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Russian Amazons. Double portrait against the background of wars and revolutions

Two are not just Mary



Maria Leontyevna Bochkareva and Maria Vladislavovna Zakharchenko are heroines with whom it would be quite possible to paint icons in our time. Moreover, they are one of the first women officers, warriors who, by the will of fate, found themselves on the other, "white" side of the barricades.

Not so long ago they would have been told that they "were not with the people." But we still cannot figure out what it really meant at that bright and cruel time - to be with the people. History, as you know, the winners write, and then the next winners rewrite it.

And, probably, it is not just that one of our heroines - Maria Zakharchenko, a real fury, a convinced monarchist, inspired Alexei Tolstoy to the image of his "Viper", who fought not at all for whites. In the old TV series "Operation Trust" she was very convincingly played by Lyudmila Kasatkina, but there is not a word about the stormy youth of the negative heroine in this film.


The other, Maria Bochkareva, was really remembered quite recently, and the talented comedian and successful producer Igor Ugolnikov shot his sensational "Battalion" with Maria Aronova in the title role based on her fate. Historical truth was not required from the series, however, the film did not become a cult film either - in Russia they do not really believe in this.


However, indeed, women were not only in the Revolution, they also fought against it. For many years we knew only Lyubov Yarovaya, and also the beautiful commissar from Optimistic Tragedy, and Anka the machine-gunner, whom the Vasiliev brothers famously “added” for Furmanov to his dryish “Chapaev”.

There were very few on the same side of the fronts - if only Lyuska, just a combat friend, the front-line wife of General Charnota in Bulgakov's "Run", and the Socialist Revolutionary Maria Spiridonova from "The Sixth of July" in the brilliant performance of the great Alla Demidova.

There are women in Russian villages


Only historians did not forget about the real Mary, although no solid biographies have been written about Bochkareva or Zakharchenko. And they could well take a worthy place, for example, in the series "The Lives of Remarkable People".

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Maria Zakharchenko was from a fairly noble family of Lysovs - hereditary nobles with an estate in the Penza province, her father rose to the rank of actual state councilor. Maria was an avid horsewoman, which later came in handy for her, and even before the war she managed to organize an exemplary stud farm on her father's estate.


She studied at the Smolny Institute, she was lucky to meet the royal family, and above all - with the eldest daughter of Nicholas II Olga. Maria Lysova graduated from Smolny with a gold medal, after which she studied for another year in Lausanne, Switzerland.

In the last peaceful year of 1913, 20-year-old Maria married Ivan Mikhno, a guardsman from Semyonov, and together with him settled in St. Petersburg in the officers' house on Zagorodny Prospekt.

***
Maria Bochkareva, on her father's side - Frolkova, could not boast of the same noble origin. Her ancestors were only Ural, and earlier - Yaik Cossacks. In the family of his father, Leonty Frolkov, who settled near Novgorod, there was a legend that they once "followed Pugachev" and were forced to move closer to the north.

At the end of the 15th century, they had to flee again - from poverty and hunger to the Siberian village of Ksenyevka near Tomsk (pictured). That is why Bochkareva always called herself a Siberian. In Siberia, her XNUMX-year-old was married, but her husband, Afanasy Bochkarev, turned out to be a heavy drinker.


Maria endured for seven years, and left him for the Jewish butcher Yakov Buk, but nothing good was to be expected from that either. For participation in the robbery, he was sent to Yakutsk, and his wife followed him. Buk did not calm down and there, trading in a gang of hunghuz, and was exiled even further.

For faith, king and fatherland


When the war broke out with Germany and Austria, Maria Bochkareva just turned 25 - in July 1914, and Masha Mikhno was not even 25, as in that legendary song from "Officers". Both went to the front absolutely out of conviction, and let it sound a little pretentious - out of love for the motherland.

But one - Mikhno, following her husband, to whom she did not have time to give her daughter. She was born just three days after the death of the captain of the Life Guards, who died of wounds in his wife's arms. The other, Bochkareva, wanted to join the army, obviously, because she did not need any husbands.

It was not easy for both of them to get to the front. Bochkarev, who returned to Tomsk with some difficulty and appeared to the commander of the 24th reserve battalion, was simply kicked out. Maria Mikhno needed the patronage of the tsar's daughter and the empress personally.


Grand Duchesses Olga and Tatiana Nikolaevna

Maria left the child in the care of her relatives, and she was enrolled as a volunteer in the Elizavetgrad hussar regiment, where the Grand Duchess Olga Nikolaevna was listed as the chief. The regimental commander was ordered not to expel the female hussar.

***
In turn, Bochkareva was recommended to go to the sisters of mercy, but this was not for her. And she, too, needed the august help - she sent a telegram to the emperor himself, and the one that is simply amazing today reached him. And Nicholas II answered Maria Leontievna with the highest consent.


A young and strong Cossack woman was taken into the infantry, she quickly stopped all attempts of the soldiers to pester her, and demanded that she be called Yashka - as an unlucky second husband. Already in the spring of 1915, Maria fought as part of the Polotsk infantry regiment, and fought, admittedly, heroically.

Battles, exploits, crosses


The names of these women warriors only later gained general fame, especially after the formation of women's shock battalions, where, by the way, Kerensky was ready to attract Maria Mikhno. Even at the front, very little was known about the exploits of the two Mari.

It is strange that they were not noticed by reporters, who were more often received at headquarters or during the front-line trips of the emperor-emperor. The women themselves in shoulder straps did not really strive for the first roles. Mikhno and Bochkareva preferred to simply serve, and real feats were not exceptional for either one or the other.

The Cossack Bochkareva was not eager to join the cavalry, but in the infantry, side by side with the men, she went to the bayonet, was in reconnaissance, surprising everyone with resourcefulness and courage. She received several wounds, fell under gas attacks, once carrying several wounded comrades on her.


By the beginning of 1917, Bochkareva was already a senior non-commissioned officer and a full Knight of St. George, and not one of her contemporaries doubted that all the awards were received by her on the case. In the trenches, Maria also mastered literacy, which soon helped her to go up for promotion.

***
The young widow Maria Mikhno also did not delay taking part in the battles. The hussars admitted that she was completely "horseback riding like a man". At first, of course, it was said that the volunteer Mikhno “never learned to own weapons and intelligence: it means that from a combat point of view it was useless».

The presence of the lady could not but embarrass the real hussars, but everything changed very quickly. Already in the fall of 1915, for the first time, she was not refused to go on reconnaissance - as a conductor. Maria led the detachment directly into the rear of the German company, which the cavalrymen partly chopped up and partly scattered.


Then she, herself slightly wounded, carried the wounded soldier out from under the fire. And in 1916, on the Romanian front in Dobrudja, when she had already deservedly received the rank of non-commissioned officer, she completely surprised the whole regiment. She managed to capture a Bulgarian infantryman, in fact, with one cry.

In one of the quiet country courtyards, Mikhno, without dismounting from his horse, yelled at the unfortunate "little brother" who happened to be there that he preferred to give up the rifle for the best. Imagine how embarrassed he was when he learned to whom he surrendered. Later, Maria often wore her St. George's crosses even in Red Russia, even as a spy, or, if you like, a scout.

Revolution is the time to choose


In the spring of 1917, when it became clear to the Provisional Government that had taken power that something had to be done with the army, Maria Bochkareva was invited to Petrograd. Kerensky needed an unbiased look from the inside. A simple woman, a complete Georgievsky cavalier, spoke in favor of the need to raise the morale in the units.

Bochkareva's memoirists have no doubt that the idea of ​​forming women's battalions came to her long ago, perhaps under the impression of stories about the Amazons and the cavalry girl Nadezhda Durova. Maria Leontievna, as she was respectfully dubbed in the capital, naively believed that one kind of dying women would inspire Russian heroes to heroic deeds.

In fact, there was no end to the volunteers, in just a week two thousand of them signed up for Bochkareva. The new division of the Russian army had everything - and tough selection, and shooting, and drill until you drop, and even jaws.


Kerensky himself tried to reprimand Mary, already a lieutenant, for assault. To which he received in response: “disgruntled can go to hell". However, before that Bochkareva assured the commander-in-chief, General Brusilov, that her battalion “will not disgrace Russia».

Maria Leontyevna, who was not even 30 years old, was increasingly difficult to distinguish from the veterans of male soldiers, she grew stronger and grayer, which no one saw because of her short hair, and even her voice became low and harsh. But at the front, however, her "female shock" did not find big laurels. Either he did not have time, or the men did not support.


Having received the banner on June 21 right on St. Isaac's Square, the Death Battalion, and how could it be otherwise, went under German bullets and shells. The battalion commander, which ended up with only 300 bayonets, which, however, was not bad at that time, was wounded in the first battle near Smorgon.

Bochkareva lay down in the hospital, and again led the battalion, which, contrary to all legends, did not guard the Winter Palace in October 1917 at all. There, only the company headed by Lieutenant Loskov did not last long against the sailors and the workers' guard. But she was also from the second shock battalion, where the commander was an officer with a very similar surname - Bocharnikova.

***
The regiment, which continued to include non-commissioned officer Maria Mikhno, was found in February 1917 on vacation in Bessarabia. Having served by this time for more than a year, she remained the same educated, tactful, not losing her femininity. According to the historian, who never became her serious biographer, there was no “nothing fake, nothing fancy».

The revolutionary events, surprisingly, did not become any serious shock for her. It seems that only subsequent events made her a convinced monarchist. After the Bolsheviks came to power in October, Maria, along with most of the officers and soldiers from Elizavetgrad, went home.

There she also found devastation, fermentation, robbery of landowners' estates and ... her own stud farm, abandoned to the mercy of fate. She tried to organize self-defense units, but most importantly, she sent officers to the Don to Kornilov and Denikin, and to Siberia to Kolchak. She hid many of them.

Having married in 1918 to Grigory Alekseevich, an officer-ulan, a friend of her first husband, she began to bear his surname - Zakharchenko, under which she went down in history. Young with adventures, disguised as Persians, got to the Don and managed to fight in the Armed Forces of the South of Russia.


G.A. Zakharchenko commanded the Caucasian Cavalry Regiment, his wife was his orderly. Grigory Zakharchenko died from serious wounds received in the battle near Kakhovka. Maria was also wounded there, but survived and together with Wrangel's army was evacuated to Gallipoli - on the peninsula, which became the military base of the former White Army.

The right to die


The battalion of Bochkareva, like all the other female drums, was disbanded immediately after the overthrow of the Provisional Government. Maria Leontyevna was arrested, and there is evidence that she met with both Trotsky and Lenin. Cooperation, apparently, did not work out, especially since Maria categorically opposed peace with the Germans.

The Bolsheviks did not consider it necessary to keep her in prison, and on the way home to Tomsk, she actively campaigned against the new government. For this, comrade soldiers simply threw Madame Lieutenant off the train. In Siberia, she almost got drunk, did not linger and returned to Petrograd.


There she got in touch with the white underground and moved to Novocherkassk to L.G. Kornilov. And together with the general, out of the blue, she set off on a foreign voyage. The British establishment and the American President Wilson honored “Russian Jeanne d'Arc", And the press was absolutely delighted with her.

Help from the White Army helped to knock Bochkarev out, but returning to Russia through Arkhangelsk, she refused to fight for the Whites. Later, having already returned to Siberia, Bochkareva formed an ambulance train for Kolchak's army, which his subordinates shamelessly abandoned during the retreat. Bochkareva did not go against the Reds, but this did not save her from accusations of counter-revolutionary activity.

Arrived in Siberia, the head of the Special Department of the Cheka Pavlunovsky, whom F.E. Dzerzhinsky endowed with extraordinary powers, and immediately wrote to Maria Leontyevna "a letter of execution." The verdict was carried out in Tomsk on May 16, 1920. The retired lieutenant Bochkareva was then only 30 years old.

***
The end of the career of Maria Vladislavovna Zakharchenko is worthy of a separate novel, although it is well represented in the half-forgotten four-part film Operation Trust. By that time, our heroine had married for the third time - again to the officer, the life-ranger Georgy Radkovich.

Together they returned to Russia under the name of the Schultz spouses, and for some reason this conspiratorial name is now added to Maria Vladislavovna in all sources. Shultsev was personally sent to long-term reconnaissance by General A.P. Kutepov - to prepare a monarchist conspiracy.

A lot has been written about how he failed, we will not repeat. It is important for us that Zakharchenko herself considered Trest her last business, which she even shared with the notorious Vasily Shulgin. When in the spring of 1927 it became clear that the entire combination with the "Trust" was carried out with the almost direct "participation" of Soviet "authorities", the Schultz spouses had to hide from Russia.

But they soon returned to the USSR - already for "direct action", that is - terrorist acts. In the same 1927, Maria Zakharchenko, together with another "trustee" - Eduard Oppertut, who became her lover, attempted to blow up the OGPU hostel in Moscow.

The monarchist terrorists were almost seized, they were able to break away from their pursuers and made it to Polotsk. But there both were killed in a shootout, although Soviet sources, not without reason, also put forward a version of suicide.


And hatred for the red, and the indomitable monarchism of Maria Vladislavovna manifested itself in her back in 1918. They, among other things, may well be associated with the fact that she was friends with the tsar's daughter Olga, as, obviously, with the entire august family. Irrefutable evidence of their death - this alone would have been quite enough, but there was also a lot more.
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  1. yuriy55
    yuriy55 9 January 2022 06: 05
    +2
    Very instructive biographical data of the Russian "Amazons".
    Remained a feeling of bitterness and regret for such a tragic fate of Maria Leontievna.
    hi
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 9 January 2022 06: 45
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      Quote: yuriy55
      Remained a feeling of bitterness and regret for such a tragic fate of Maria Leontievna

      In my opinion, both ladies command respect, but nevertheless I must admit that some of their mental balance was violated.
      What connection, for example, between Zakharchenko's "monarchist" views (if the author is to be believed) and the planned explosion of the OGPU dormitory can one generally speak of?
      In fairness, I must say that from the opposing Bolshevik side, such ladies were of a similar mindset.
      1. yuriy55
        yuriy55 9 January 2022 07: 00
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        Quote: bober1982
        In my opinion, both ladies command respect

        Inner strength these women, leading them along the thorny path of life, is impressive. Most in such situations (a series of failures and ups and downs in life) simply get drunk or sink to the bottom ...
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 9 January 2022 07: 09
          +1
          Quote: yuriy55
          The inner strength of these women, leading them along a thorny path in life, is impressive.

          I completely agree with the fact that it is very impressive, just overwhelming.
          But, about inner strength, the whole question is - what kind of strength?
          1. yuriy55
            yuriy55 9 January 2022 07: 20
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            Quote: bober1982
            what kind of power?

            Probably something akin to this:
            ... a man told me a story about fishermen caught in a storm on the high seas. Some are cowardly, throw the oars, lie down on the bottom of the launch and break them on the rocks! Others grip the oars and row harder! They row, against the wind, against the storm, row! And they win ...
      2. Olgovich
        Olgovich 9 January 2022 10: 31
        -17
        Quote: bober1982
        In fairness, it must be said that from the opposing Bolshevik side, such ladies were similar mindset.

        HOW can you compare the volunteers of Bochkareva and Zakharchenko: front-line trenches, veterans, order-bearers who defended the Fatherland from the aggressor with ... sadistic psychopaths, whose hands are up to their shoulders in the blood of their fellow citizens, not a day who did not fight at the front (Zalkind / Zemlyachka, Braude, Grudman, Khaikina Fruma, Bosch, Razmirovich, and so on) who tortured, beat, and shot defenseless innocent people? belay

        In addition to the above-mentioned heroines of Russia Bochkareva and Zakharchenko, it is necessary to recall other glorious names of women of Russia who stood up to defend the Motherland in those days:
        Rimma Ivanova, Elena Postonogova, Elena Choba, Margarita Lopukhina, Zinaida Gotgard, Maria Mercier, Reformed Zinaida, Sophia de Bode and many others.

        Honor and glory to them!
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 9 January 2022 10: 37
          +13
          HOW you can compare the volunteers of Bochkareva and Zakharchenko: front-line soldiers, veterans, order bearers who defended the Fatherland from the aggressor


          Who was the aggressor?
          For example, I remember Zhanna Laburb, who actually saved Russia from aggressors in the form of invaders.
          1. Olgovich
            Olgovich 9 January 2022 12: 44
            -16
            Quote: Konnick
            Who was the aggressor?

            skipped school?

            As in WWII, in WWII, Germany attacked us and staged atrocities, reminiscent of their own acts in WWII - massacres of civilians, concentration camps, torture, etc.

            And the Lyaburba at the front with the German invaders never fought, they sat ALL the war in the rear and worked for German occupiers.
  2. Old electrician
    Old electrician 9 January 2022 06: 22
    +19
    In the 60s, one former Bandera member lived in the houses next to us, and the second was a former Vlasovite. After the total amnesty announced by Nikita the Wonderworker in 1956, both of them were released with a clear conscience, for some reason hesitated to return to their small homeland, and settled down to live in our state farm in Siberia. Apparently, both of human blood to the elbows and in their small homeland did not expect them good. According to modern concepts, both of them are innocent victims of political repression, fighters against a bloody regime. Poorly to write a sentimental article about them?
    1. Third district
      Third district 9 January 2022 07: 03
      +10
      Quote: Old electrician
      According to modern concepts, both of them are innocent victims of political repression, fighters against a bloody regime. Poorly to write a sentimental article about them?

      The time will come, and even more, the movie will be shot. And then they will advertise it on the central TV channels. And they will say that these are also heroes, only they had their own struggle, this is a struggle against a totalitarian regime. They removed the T - 34, where at the end our tanker shakes hands with the noble knight of the SS, defeating him in a duel. And about the "glorious" Admiral Kolchak was removed. Although in Siberia, people in memory of him, the most evil dogs were given the nickname Kolchak. They remembered his deeds and "exploits".
  3. bober1982
    bober1982 9 January 2022 06: 26
    +1
    The article, on the whole, is not bad, not without inaccuracies, of course.
    Dear author! Maria Vladislavovna Zakharchenko was not friends with either Grand Duchess Olga or the August Family, and could not be friends.
  4. Konnick
    Konnick 9 January 2022 06: 42
    +13
    The other, Maria Bochkareva, was really remembered quite recently, and the talented comedian and successful producer Igor Ugolnikov shot his sensational "Battalion" with Maria Aronova in the title role based on her fate. Historical truth was not required from the series, however, the film did not become a cult film either - in Russia they do not really believe in this.

    And why was the film supposed to become a cult? In our country, the first world war was imperialist. What were you fighting for? For whose interests? The stupidest war ever.
    1. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 9 January 2022 10: 17
      +13
      In our country, the first world war was imperialist. What were you fighting for? For whose interests?
      some Olgovich will gallop along and begin to prove that the war was for the Faith-Tsar-Fatherland and that "Russia would have won a little bit if not for the Bolsheviks ..."
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 9 January 2022 10: 31
        +11
        some Olgovich will gallop along and begin to prove that the war was for the Faith-Tsar-Fatherland and that "Russia would have won a little bit if not for the Bolsheviks ..."

        I can already hear the crunch of a roll laughing
  5. Free wind
    Free wind 9 January 2022 06: 43
    0
    Shoot. And I won't even call the defenders. Not pretty girls, at all.
  6. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 January 2022 06: 57
    +24
    For general knowledge, it will do, although it is painfully assertive, after Yeltsin's decree banning the CPSU, they glorify the "heroes" of the White Guard. But there were others, "red Amazons" - Larisa Reisner, daughter of a law professor, participant in the Civil War, revolutionary, writer, diplomat. Alexandra Bogat, intelligence commander of the 21st Cavalry Regiment of the 1st Cavalry Army. Olga Ovchinnikova, battalion commander of the 4th regiment of the 13th army. The commander of an armored train, a noblewoman, Lyudmila Mokievskaya and many others. In total, more than 60 women were awarded the Order of the "Red Banner" during the Civil War.
    1. bober1982
      bober1982 9 January 2022 07: 45
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      Quote: Vladimir61
      although it is painfully energetic, after Yeltsin's decree banning the CPSU, they glorify the "heroes" of the White Guard

      In my opinion, they began to glorify the White Guard long before Yeltsin, mainly through cinema and stage.
      Take a movie for example Adjutant of His Excellency, or the magnificent Kasatkina in the aforementioned film Operation Trust, there is nothing to say about songs - everyone was fond of listening and singing ....... but, in our rooms are commissars, and our girls are taken to the office ... It was all over the place, Yeltsin probably still worked as a foreman.
      1. Moskovit
        Moskovit 9 January 2022 08: 06
        -3
        The white side had its own truth. And many people who fought there were no worse than the Reds. But the nag-story was jumping the other way ..
        1. tatra
          tatra 9 January 2022 08: 21
          +9
          What was the truth of the "whites"? What did they want to do better for Russia and the Russian people than the Bolshevik communists did? What kind of power and System did they want for Russia and the Russian people?
          1. Rostock
            Rostock 9 January 2022 10: 04
            -14
            A united and indivisible Russia without the separation of Ukraine and the Baltic states according to Lenin, without collectivization, repression and concentration camps, without indigenousization and admission to power of representatives of that very nation. The Whites, unlike the Reds, did not trade territories even in the most difficult situations.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 9 January 2022 10: 34
              +12
              The Whites, unlike the Reds, did not trade territories even in the most difficult situations.
              Well, yes)) We didn’t trade! And they rented it out on terms that most of the profits went over the hill! And .... when did the Reds trade territories? What is this about?
            2. paul3390
              paul3390 9 January 2022 14: 18
              +13
              1. Can you explain to me how the Bolsheviks could NOT allow the separation of the Baltic States and Finland? Are there any options?
              2. Without collectivization, we would have completely lost the next war. So - be glad that it was.
              3. No reprisals ??? Yah? And you read WHAT did the whites do in the occupied areas? the same Siberia. What makes one think that they would not expand the practice to the whole of Russia if they won?
              4. Again, tell us HOW do you propose to preserve the integrity of Russia in the early 20s, without sharing power with the locals? Do you have the necessary number of bayonets for this? To re-conquer Central Asia and the Caucasus WITHOUT the support of the local population?
              5. Maybe they didn’t trade - but who would ask them ?? Do you think that the invaders came to Russia solely from noble motives and - for nothing?
              1. DIM (a)
                DIM (a) 11 January 2022 00: 33
                +1
                Thanks! Very high quality!
            3. bk0010
              bk0010 9 January 2022 16: 12
              +8
              Do you want to see what would have happened if the February revolution took place, but the October one did not? Take a look at China at the same time: Sun Yatsen overthrew the monarchy almost at the same time, but the communists came to power only in 1949. Also an agrarian country. We got the collapse of the country to pieces, a long civil war, Japanese intervention, entered the Second World War without industrialization, etc.
              1. DIM (a)
                DIM (a) 11 January 2022 00: 35
                +1
                Great comparison, although it is also full of specifics ... perhaps it can be compared with RI 1800x
            4. Sugar Honeyovich
              Sugar Honeyovich 11 January 2022 13: 46
              +2
              Quote: Rostok
              repression and concentration camps,

              Whites without repression and concentration camps are like smoke without fire.
              Quote: Rostok
              without collectivization,

              It's true. With landlords, kulaks and the main peasantry, passing from poverty to poverty.
              Quote: Rostok
              admission to power of representatives of that very nation.

              Nationalism? Fascism?
              Quote: Rostok
              The Whites, unlike the Reds, did not trade territories even in the most difficult situations.

              They were the ones who traded.
        2. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 9 January 2022 10: 23
          +14
          The white side had its own truth.
          I wonder which one? To return their "estates with peasants"? "Candle factories" and other factories in their personal estate, but what would they have to work on them for 12 hours for a penny, the illiterate peasants of yesterday who were left without land? And for the sake of this "truth" they called the British, French, Americans, Japanese and many others. That would, so to speak, "helped to restore justice." Those who took money, weapons, and other nishtyaks from them, and for this they allowed the country's wealth to be taken out of the country by trains and steamers! Or did the interventionists come to Russia purely out of the kindness of their soul?
          Although you, as a "crystal baker", probably see yourself only as some kind of cavalry guard. But not as a simple worker or peasant wink
          1. bober1982
            bober1982 9 January 2022 11: 28
            -1
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            Although you, as a "crystal baker", probably see yourself only as some kind of cavalry guard

            I can’t resist, and I wedge myself into your conversation.
            Well, which one is Moskovit, a crystal baker? He always has calm and balanced comments, he just expressed his opinion, which is quite sensible.
            As soon as talk begins about some kind of reconciliation of two well-known warring parties, active opposition immediately occurs.
            1. Third district
              Third district 9 January 2022 12: 23
              +9
              Quote: bober1982
              As soon as talk begins about some kind of reconciliation of two well-known warring parties, active opposition immediately occurs.

              More than 100 years have passed since the civil war and there is no reconciliation of the parties. And it will never be. Even now, the great-great-grandchildren of those warring parties are ready to fight in case of a dispute. And what is especially important, these are not only people who lived in the USSR, but also young people. And here it’s not even a matter of the Soviet Union, but of justice, a different world order, and social relations.
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 9 January 2022 14: 06
                +11
                times of civil war and there is no reconciliation of the parties

                Because it - will end only with the victory of socialism .. For - well, what kind of workaholic can have peace with the bourgeois ?? What could be the basis for this? Will the bourgeois stop being an oppressor and a thief? Then he will cease to be a bourgeois .. Why else to make money? Or will the proletariat uncomplainingly start tossing for a bowl of gourd, if only the owner could buy a new yacht?

                So - there is no peace, there is only a temporary truce .. Yes, and judging by what is happening, it is about to end ..
              2. gsev
                gsev 10 January 2022 07: 47
                +6
                Quote: Third District
                since the civil war, and there is no reconciliation of the parties.

                And how can there be reconciliation if an oligarch goes skiing with a harem of girls, and his worker or engineer for a salary is not able to support a pregnant wife with a child except himself, although his grandmother, even having lost her husband in the war, was able to raise four children on a collective farm, where modern propaganda, along with the crushers, declares that it was worse than it is now.
            2. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 9 January 2022 12: 33
              +3
              As soon as talk begins about some kind of reconciliation of two known warring parties
              this is a conversation about an attempt to "reconcile" two opposing ideologies!
          2. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 9 January 2022 13: 41
            -11
            in the white army, far from only nobles were, moreover, the owners of factories and factories often did not have noble roots at all, but came from the same workers and did not fight much in the white army. they did not earn much even under the USSR. By 1917, there were about 1 hereditary nobles in the Russian Empire, which was less than 300% of the population. This is both men and women .. where did the white army come from which for so many years fought with the red? not everything is so simple .. and the whites had their own truth and the red had their own .. each of them fought for "their" country .. and about export and trade, the ordinary military of the white army did not really have anything from this .. more and more multifaceted than white and black
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 9 January 2022 15: 41
              +12
              Skilled workers were getting well
              and how many were interesting?
              and laborers never and nowhere earn a lot, and under the USSR, too
              "not making a lot" and "living without stretching your legs" are somewhat different concepts.
              Where then did the white army come from which for so many years fought with the red?
              how many years did she fight? A little over four, as far as I remember. And what? The war was like the Second World War. With the Kursk Bulge and other great battles? Or like WWI with its "Verdun meat grinder" and thousands of infantry per kilometer of the front? Can you familiarize yourself with the battles of the wars? Let's compare first.
              Further, what, after 1917, directly ALL the population (meaning the common people) was immediately imbued with the spirit of change? Have you heard anything about mobilization? About agitation on both sides? Not? How many people ran across (and repeatedly) from one side to the other? Have you heard either?
              and the Whites had their own truths and the Reds had theirs.
              I wrote about the truth above. I will not repeat myself.
              but about export and trade, the ordinary military of the white army did not really have anything from this
              if they had not, the Civil War would not have happened! Just in case. Proverb
              English uniform, French shoulder straps, Japanese tobacco, Omsk ruler
              have you heard? On what basis and who is she aware of? Oh yeah .. Kolchak was such a sweetheart (based on the famous film). He loved deeply and purely (he instructed the subordinate's horns, etc.) So the "adviser". I don’t know who’s there and what you advise, despite the fact that:
              but - nifiga themselves do not know
              b - deliberately distort historical facts
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 9 January 2022 16: 10
                -9
                Quote: Region-25.rus
                and how many were interesting?

                There were just as many skilled workers - how many are required, for example, by a plant ... and at a plant there are always at least a third of qualified workers, otherwise it is no longer a plant but, at best, an artel.
                2. Whoever wanted - could well develop from a laborer, some later and opened their own production. This is how it was now.
                Quote: Region-25.rus
                Where then did the white army come from which for so many years fought with the red?
                how many years did she fight? A little over four, as far as I remember. And what? The war was like the Second World War. With the Kursk Bulge and other great battles? Or like WWI with its "Verdun meat grinder" and thousands of infantry per kilometer of the front?

                According to various estimates, between 10 and 17 million people died; about 2 million people left the country as a result of the war. This means that there were many people on the white side as well. If you don’t understand, I mean that the White movement was massive and not only nobles were there ..
                Quote: Region-25.rus
                if they had not, the Civil War would not have happened! Just in case. Proverb

                If civil was not possible and now it would be better to live and maybe not .. But in the end - neither communism nor normal capitalism was built .. in fact, so ..
                Kolchak does not need to be attributed to me, I did not say a word about him, there were many more worthy characters, and it was as if they were red - all the darlings were .. What facts am I distorting? more specifically please ..
            2. bk0010
              bk0010 9 January 2022 16: 16
              +4
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              in the white army, not only the nobles were
              There were almost no nobles there: most of the military nobles died in the first months of WWI, the rest sat in Paris and waited for one to drive the other into the stall. And it would be strange for the nobles to fight for the ideals of the February revolution.
            3. gsev
              gsev 10 January 2022 07: 50
              +1
              Quote: Level 2 Advisor
              and laborers never and anywhere do not earn much, and under the USSR, too.

              In the PRC, the miner is practically the most disadvantaged class; in the USSR, the miner earned more than the machine builder. The subordinates to whom I gave instructions earned 270 rubles against my 130.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 10 January 2022 08: 12
                -1
                laborers, not in the sense of miners, but in the sense of auxiliary workers in a different language - lift / take it .. in the mine, as far as I know, there are a lot of qualified specialists .. but about the unfair imbalance in the salaries of engineers and workers in the USSR, I know ..
                1. DIM (a)
                  DIM (a) 11 January 2022 00: 41
                  0
                  Please tell me, were you a worker or an engineer in 1985?

                  I'll edit ... about the "laborers" and the Miners ... you better shut up - until you are showered with coal!
                  1. 2 Level Advisor
                    2 Level Advisor 11 January 2022 06: 47
                    0
                    since you do not know the meaning of the word:
                    BLACK WORKER (Masculine) Unskilled worker [now replaced by the word handyman] Handyman - a worker engaged in unskilled manual labor different kinds. Handymen work on construction sites, factories and factories, warehouses, shops... The handyman often works outdoors. Labor migrants often work as laborers.
                    Miner - specialistmining underground minerals.
                    For example, do you think that a mining operator or a blaster in a mine have no qualifications? and who is "rolling a barrel" to the miners after that?
      2. Konnick
        Konnick 9 January 2022 10: 49
        +8
        In my opinion, they began to glorify the White Guard long before Yeltsin, mainly through cinema and stage.
        Take, for example, the film Adjutant of His Excellency, or the magnificent Kasatkina in the aforementioned film Operation Trust, there is nothing to say about songs - everyone was fond of listening and singing ....... and, in our rooms there are commissars, and our girls are taken to the office. ... It was all over the place, Yeltsin probably still worked as a foreman


        And you pay attention to the gait of our guarantor, he tries to reproduce the gait of the tsarist officer, he gives the go-ahead with his right, and holds an invisible saber with his left, like a little child - "how delightful evenings are in Russia .."
        1. bober1982
          bober1982 9 January 2022 11: 19
          +1
          What was wrong with the officer's gait of the Imperial Army? This very bearing was laid by the centuries-old traditions of the Russian army.
          1. Third district
            Third district 9 January 2022 12: 35
            +8
            Quote: bober1982
            What was wrong with the officer's gait of the Imperial Army? This very bearing was laid by the centuries-old traditions of the Russian army.

            In fairness, it must be said that the gait and education of Soviet commanders (officers since 1943) are no worse than those of the tsarist, the Soviet government was able to train and educate. Otherwise, they would not have won, in the biggest and worst war
            , against a united "civilized" Europe. And also against fascist Japan. No wonder one of the German military leaders said that the Soviet teacher won the war.
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 9 January 2022 13: 14
              +7
              Quote: Third District
              No wonder one of the German military leaders said that the Soviet teacher won the war

              This was said by a German, of course, but not at all by a military leader and of course about a teacher, only not quite Soviet, and ... about a completely different war:
              ... Public education plays a decisive role in the war ... when the Prussians beat the Austrians, it was the victory of the Prussian teacher over the Austrian school teacher
              (Oskar Peschel. Professor at the University of Leipzig.)

              hi
          2. Konnick
            Konnick 9 January 2022 14: 11
            +1
            What was wrong with the officer's gait

            Like a goat accordion
            1. Third district
              Third district 9 January 2022 14: 25
              +1
              Quote: Konnick
              Like a goat accordion

              Like a cow saddle lol
          3. Alf
            Alf 9 January 2022 19: 06
            +2
            Quote: bober1982
            What was wrong with the officer's gait of the Imperial Army?

            Walking? Absolutely nothing.
            But the "trifle" - Putin's parents were NEVER officers.


            Where did the "breed" come from then ???
        2. paul3390
          paul3390 9 January 2022 14: 08
          +3
          Maybe he has colic in his stomach, or hemorrhoids? what Otherwise, how could he have the habit of holding a checker? belay
    2. bober1982
      bober1982 9 January 2022 07: 53
      -2
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Larisa Reisner, daughter of a law professor, participant in the Civil War, revolutionary, writer, diplomat.

      More than a curious lady, she was very pretty, there were a lot of fans, even too much, and she herself was more than loving.
      1. Vladimir61
        Vladimir61 9 January 2022 08: 52
        +6
        Quote: bober1982
        And, she herself was more than loving.
        Well, given the abundance in love of our masters of the stage genre and variety art, this is a trifle ... drinks
    3. Olgovich
      Olgovich 9 January 2022 12: 34
      -15
      Quote: Vladimir61
      Larisa Reisner, daughter of a law professor, diplomat.

      what is this great achievement - "the daughter of a professor"? Since when did the wife of a diplomat also ... a diplomat (especially since she ran away from Athan without permission)?

      And her achievements, of course, were: baths with champagne, luxurious receptions with exquisite yavsvami, a servant, a luxurious car, a mansion in dying from hunger to Moscow
      Quote: Vladimir61
      , more than 60 women were awarded the Order of the "Red Banner" during the Civil War
      remember remember first of the awardees - ZALKIND rosalia, the Bolsheviks themselves about her:
      (Countrywoman) - extremely nervous and SICK woman,... During the time of Comrade. SAMOILOVA in Crimea, literally all workers trembled in front of her, not daring to disobey her even the most stupid or erroneous orders.
      . a hysteroid psychopath and a sadist flooded the whole Crimea with the blood of the Russian people.

      And yes, these salkinds, unlike the HEROES Zakharchenko, Ivanova, Bochkareva, did NOT fight all the terrible years of the world war and aggression against Russia in defense of the Fatherland against the German occupants, but sat in the rear and appeared only in the inter-war massacre
      1. bk0010
        bk0010 9 January 2022 16: 19
        +6
        Quote: Olgovich
        a hysterical psychopath and a sadist flooded the whole Crimea with the blood of the Russian people.
        Will there be proofs? Not trying to run away whites, but links to documents.
      2. Catfish
        Catfish 9 January 2022 16: 26
        -4
        Hi Andrew! hi
        For this "Valkyrie Revolution", as well as for many others like it, this very revolution, having canceled the previous conventions, simply provided an excellent opportunity to fully manifest their sexual licentiousness, which they sincerely took advantage of. laughing
        1. Bolt cutter
          Bolt cutter 9 January 2022 20: 52
          +10
          In the newspapers of the 90s one could read about the orgies that Lenin arranged in his own mausoleum. yes Then it was just that everything was watered with feces, and even more disgusting and disgusting.
          1. Catfish
            Catfish 9 January 2022 21: 46
            +1
            Alex, hello! hi
            Well, Lariska was quite famous for her love and abundance. She died in time, by the way, in the 37th year, in any case, she could not survive. request
            1. Sergej1972
              Sergej1972 9 January 2022 23: 21
              +2
              Mekhlis and Zemlyachka, in theory, also belonged to a similar category, but they survived the repressions and actively participated in them. It's not about "love of love", of course, but about the fact that they belonged to the category of Civilian commissars, which was basically destroyed.
    4. Sugar Honeyovich
      Sugar Honeyovich 10 January 2022 12: 38
      +2
      Tatiana Solomakha, a sample for Z. Kosmodemyanskaya ...
  7. Konnick
    Konnick 9 January 2022 07: 01
    +13
    The end of the career of Maria Vladislavovna Zakharchenko is worthy of a separate novel, although it is well represented in the half-forgotten four-part film Operation Trust.

    Incidentally, this operation "Trust" removed from the game Sydney Reilly, a friend and accomplice of the conspiracy of three ambassadors of Bruce Lockhart, who told Ian Flemming about this unique spy, the main prototype of James Bond. This operation was conceived because of him. Then the Cheka outplayed the British Secret Service, the future MI6. Fleming has repeatedly mentioned that he created Bond after learning the stories about Reilly.
    1. gsev
      gsev 10 January 2022 08: 13
      +1
      Quote: tatra
      Sydney Reilly, friend and complicit in the conspiracy of the three ambassadors of Bruce Lockhart,

      It seems that it was Sydney Reilly who brought Kolchak to Russia to put him at the head of the white movement.
      1. Konnick
        Konnick 10 January 2022 08: 38
        0
        It seems that it was Sydney Reilly who brought Kolchak to Russia to put him at the head of the white movement.

        I don’t know for sure, but the fact that he was a gray cardinal is for sure. Although Operation Trust and subsequent events make one wonder whether Reilly was an English spy or was so masterfully taken out of the game.
        1. gsev
          gsev 12 January 2022 01: 14
          0
          Quote: Konnick
          and whether Reilly was an English spy, or was he so masterfully taken out of the game.

          Reilly was secretly shot. The scout who played the role of the traitor-border guard and lured Reilly into a trap was transferred to service under a different name in another place. But a lot was said about the circumstances of Reilly's capture and the participants in this operation.
          1. Konnick
            Konnick 12 January 2022 08: 21
            0
            Reilly was secretly shot.

            Yes, without witnesses, in Sokolniki Park ... and it's strange.
            1. gsev
              gsev 12 January 2022 23: 35
              0
              Quote: Konnick
              Yes, without witnesses, in Sokolniki Park ... and it's strange.

              The Chekists wanted to continue the game with their opponents and therefore shot Reilly secretly without an open trial. As a result of this game, Zakharchenko went to control the conduct of cockroaches to Russia. On the way back, her bandit group seized a company car and, under threat of execution, forced the driver to take them to the Polish border. The driver did not betray the working people and managed to disable the car. Zakharchenko was surrounded by border guards and Chonovtsy, realizing that there was a lot of communist blood on her, after the shootout she saw that she could not break out of the encirclement and she was running out of ammunition.
  8. tatra
    tatra 9 January 2022 08: 30
    +7
    Enemies of the Soviet power for all 104 years of the Soviet and their anti-Soviet-Russophobic periods proved to everything they did, said and wrote that they, with a maniacal idea, were eager to take the country away from the Bolshevik communists and their supporters, but they were not able to explain WHY.
    They did not do anything useful for their country and people not under Soviet power, but after their capture of the USSR, but they also proved that they never intended to do anything, and in general, a priori, are not able to do anything good for their country and people.
    Therefore, even if the Bolshevik-Communists and their supporters were always proud and proud of the October Revolution, then their enemies cowardly whine in chorus that they "had nothing to do" with their counter-revolution in their Perestroika, blame the Bolsheviks for the fact that the external and internal enemies of the Bolsheviks immediately after the October Revolution, they unleashed a Civil War with the aim of capturing Russia, because they admit that all this was done to the detriment of the country and the people.
    1. Rostock
      Rostock 9 January 2022 10: 06
      -10
      Not a revolution but a coup. Even the Red leaders themselves did not use the word "revolution" at first.
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 9 January 2022 10: 35
        +5
        Not a revolution but a coup.
        google how the coup differs from the revolution. And no need to rip out the word "coup" from the context of Lenin's speech, okay!
      2. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 9 January 2022 10: 53
        +12
        Quote: Rostok
        At first, the Red leaders did not use the word "revolution".

        Used from the very beginning. There are a lot of examples.
        Quote: Rostok
        Not a revolution but a coup.

        Revolution -
        a radical, radical, deep, qualitative change, a leap in the development of society, nature or knowledge, associated with an open break with the previous state

        A coup is what happened in Ukraine, when some ghouls replaced others in power, without changing anything, except for the persons at the trough.
        The word "coup" was used by the Bolsheviks much less often and was understood as a way of making a revolution.
        1. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 9 January 2022 12: 32
          +10
          The mutiny cannot end in luck, then his name is different :)))
          In some old film about the times of the Civil War there is an episode when a former revolutionary (Menshevik?) Is called to cooperate with the new government, but he answers pathetically - Revolution is February, and October is a coup ...
          as for me exactly the opposite.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 9 January 2022 13: 13
            +10
            All three revolutions are revolutions, since they entailed a change in the state system. In 1905, the absolute monarchy was replaced, albeit formally, by a constitutional one. In February, the monarchy became a bourgeois republic, and in October the first socialist state on the planet was formed.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 9 January 2022 17: 07
              -11
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              All three revolutions are precisely revolutions, since they entailed change State building. In 1905, the absolute monarchy was replaced, albeit formally, by a constitutional

              The political system is characterized by a form of government, which exist only two - republic and monarchy.
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              В February the monarchy became a bourgeois republic,

              Nonsense: Russia became a republic only in September 1917 (illegal, because the VP did not have the right to do so), illegally by thieves in October 1917 and legally in January 1918 Constituent Assembly.

              Quote: Trilobite Master
              and in October the first socialist state on the planet was formed.

              There was no social equality or social justice in this state, but there were millions of "deprived" of everything and everyone, incl. many have the right to life.
              for me, Bochkareva is just a genetic anomaly that mistakenly received female sexual characteristics. She can be called a woman only conditionally.

              The first one is unpleasant to me in its essence, as subconsciously unpleasant is any birth, regardless of the nature of its ugliness.
              Only this one could write such a thing about a woman. Moreover, oh defender of the Fatherland, repeatedly awarded orders of bravery.

              A lot of women fought bravely in the Second World War, yes.
      3. Hantengri
        Hantengri 9 January 2022 12: 36
        +1
        Quote: Rostok
        Not a revolution but a coup.

        One does not contradict the other in any way. The word "revolution" describes an abrupt change that has occurred in the movement of social matter. And the word "coup" defines the process as a result of which this change occurred.
      4. paul3390
        paul3390 9 January 2022 14: 11
        +1
        Even the Red leaders themselves did not use the word "revolution" at first.

        For an obvious reason - a revolution is a change in the social order. And the Bolsheviks were not at all so sure that they would succeed. And what kind of system change could have been in the early 20s ?? But when it became clear that yes, socialism is being built, the name of October was changed from a coup to a revolution ..
      5. mat-vey
        mat-vey 9 January 2022 15: 38
        +1
        Quote: Rostok
        Not a revolution but a coup. Even the Red leaders themselves did not use the word "revolution" at first.

        On the morning of October 25, only the Winter Palace remained under the control of the Provisional Government, which was surrounded by detachments of the Red Guard. At the same time, the Military Revolutionary Committee announced the overthrow of the Provisional Government and the transfer of power to the Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies.
        Lenin at a solemn afternoon meeting (about 10 am) of the Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies said: “Comrades, the workers 'and peasants' revolution, the need for which the Bolsheviks have been talking about all the time, has come true ... should ultimately lead to the victory of socialism ... ... Long live the world socialist revolution! "
        Probably not to find a bigger "Bolshevik"? But on the very first day he "used" it.
        1. gsev
          gsev 10 January 2022 08: 24
          0
          Quote: mat-vey
          Lenin at a solemn afternoon meeting (about 10 am) of the Petrograd Soviet of Workers 'and Soldiers' Deputies said:

          The leaders of the Socialist-Revolutionaries were afraid to hold a congress with the participation of peasant deputies, remembering the unanimous recognition of the peasants' orders on the redistribution of land. Chernov recalled that he had committed stupidity without fulfilling at least some of the orders, or simply did not promise to fulfill them. After all, the peasant deputies retained greater confidence in the Socialist-Revolutionaries than the soldiers and workers and could have blocked the transfer of power to the Bolsheviks. At one time, United Russia beautifully outplayed both the liberals and the left by alternately entering into a coalition with both of them and showed both the communists and Yabloko members that United Russia is the only force ready to take into account the opinion of both the left and right opposition, taking into account their influence.
      6. Sugar Honeyovich
        Sugar Honeyovich 10 January 2022 12: 39
        0
        Not true. Used from the very beginning.
  9. Waterways 672
    Waterways 672 9 January 2022 09: 35
    +3
    For many years we knew only Lyubov Yarovaya, and also the beautiful commissar from Optimistic Tragedy, and Anka the machine gunner

    The film "Two Comrades Served" is one of the best films in Soviet cinema, dedicated to the events of the Civil War, which, despite a large number of comic episodes, is shown as a national tragedy. Alla Demidova plays the role of a commissioner. She is not in the mood to deal with two undocumented unknown persons, in whose cart a white officer's tunic was found. Seeing the tunic, she orders them to be shot, especially since she takes Nekrasov for the officer who tortured her in counterintelligence.

    - "You don't have to say so much."

    - "You are a white officer. You tortured me in counterintelligence. Look at your hands. They are in your blood" (to Nekrasov).

    I noticed that in the movie "Operation Trust" the monarchist-terrorists are armed exclusively with Mauser, and some with two at once, such as Banionis, who played in this film.
  10. Trilobite Master
    Trilobite Master 9 January 2022 11: 12
    +15
    For me, Bochkareva is just a genetic anomaly that mistakenly received female sexual characteristics. She can be called a woman only conditionally.
    Zakharchenko is just a romantic young lady from high society, an exalted fool at first and a hardened hyena at the end of her life.
    The first one is unpleasant to me in its essence, just as subconsciously any freak is unpleasant, regardless of the nature of its deformity. The second evokes some respect as a staunch and ideological fighter, but objectively she did not accomplish anything outstanding either in the role of a man or in the role of a woman.
    1. Undecim
      Undecim 9 January 2022 13: 52
      +7
      All women who went to war had their own motives. The authors of the site suffer from oversight, therefore they often produce fragmentary coverage of any events and facts, which affects their perception. So it is with the "Amazons" who were in the armies of many countries, each with its own destiny and motivation. And not all of them were exalted fools and genetic abnormalities.
      1. Trilobite Master
        Trilobite Master 9 January 2022 17: 02
        +2
        Not all, of course. Here to each his own. But still there is something unnatural in this, I mean the woman's desire to directly participate in the murder of people, which, in fact, is a war.
        1. Olgovich
          Olgovich 9 January 2022 17: 39
          -8
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          But still there is something unnatural in this, I mean desire women directly participate in the killing of people, which, in essence, is war.

          participated in the Second World War before MILLION women, of which manyvolunteerswho showed
          Quote: Trilobite Master
          desire directly involved in the killing of people
          German invaders: Zoya Kosmodemyanskaya, snipers Nina Lobkovskaya, Lyuba Makarova, Shura Vinogradova, Yulia Belousova, Lyuda Pavlichenko, etc., who killed tens of thousands of people (occupants) in the war.

          And many thanks to them for that.
          1. Trilobite Master
            Trilobite Master 9 January 2022 20: 07
            +6
            I wrote that war is not a woman's business. Do you disagree?
            Do you see words behind the letters at all? Are they capable of comprehending the meaning behind words?
            And, by the way, a million women volunteers in the Second World War fought for their Soviet socialist multinational Motherland and personally for Comrade Stalin. You, from time to time promoting the ideas and slogans of Vlasov here, in general, it is better not to touch these people with your dirty mouth. smile
            Well, go learn about monarchies and republics. I have no time to educate you.
            1. Olgovich
              Olgovich 10 January 2022 08: 30
              -7
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              I wrote that war is not a woman's business.

              it has been proven to you (see a million women at war in the Second World War and earlier) that for wars like the Second World War, the defense of the Fatherland, your home, from those who attacked it rapists and murderers becomes the cause of ALL , incl. women and even children
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              And, by the way, a million women volunteers in the Second World War fought for their Soviet socialist multinational Motherland and personally for Comrade Stalin.

              FOR THE FATHERLAND the people stood up in the Second World War, in the OV 1812, the WTOV and in dozens of other wars for Russia., when great. and did not stink

              When it was necessary to stand for the regime in 1991, NOBODY stood up, including you. Shame ...
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              You, who from time to time promote the ideas and slogans of Vlasov here, are better than yours dirty do not touch with your mouth.

              from time to time carrier
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              dirty mouth
              lying nonsense about "my" Vlasov, etc. fool you need to either prove it or shut up,
              Quote: Trilobite Master
              Well, go learn about monarchies and republics. Me lack of time to educate you.

              lol Can an ignoramus ... enlighten? For the ignorant, for a start, you need to go to school, for knowledge about state construction, dates in the history of Russia, republics and monarchies, before carrying incredible stupidity lol .
              1. Trilobite Master
                Trilobite Master 10 January 2022 11: 06
                +4
                Quote: Olgovich
                about "my" Vlasov

                But you read the "Prague Manifesto" and write specifically with what you disagree there. laughing
                Until now, you disagreed with Vlasov only in your assessments of the events of October 1917, everything else is just one to one. And about the Bolsheviks, and about the Russian people, I had the feeling a couple of times that you were inserting pieces of text from Vlasov's speeches into your comments.
                fool
                I don’t have time to closely follow your work, but on occasion I will try to illustrate your pearls with an appropriate quote from the legacy of KONR. To please you. laughing
                And about the rest there is something to say, I just don't see the point. There is no point in treating your sore head, and no one else will read this - what will I then waste time?
                1. Olgovich
                  Olgovich 10 January 2022 12: 12
                  -6
                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  Me lack of leisure follow your creativity closely

                  Those. we state that from time to time carrying
                  dirty lie about "my" Vlasov, "my" false nonsense about the Motherland, "turned out to be just ... an ordinary gossip. yes

                  And yes: the fact that Hitler was a vegetarian is not at all a reason to hate vegetarianism.

                  Got it, no? wink
                  Quote: Trilobite Master
                  And about the rest there is something to say, I just don't see the point. Your sick head

                  just about: this is exactly what everyone is talking about, because they have nothing but an argument about a "sore head" behind their souls.
                  Papanov like this:
                  And you have nothing! You are a beggar! You generally live in the world by proxy!


                  rs Did you learn it when Russia became a republic? lol
    2. Catfish
      Catfish 9 January 2022 15: 59
      +6
      The first one is unpleasant to me in its essence, as subconsciously any kind of unpleasantness is unpleasant.

      Yes, looking at the photographs of Bochkareva, it is very difficult to call her a woman. In the sense that normal people put into this word.
  11. Timofey Charuta
    Timofey Charuta 9 January 2022 11: 50
    +3
    An interesting biography detail common to both - each is married several times, but the Lord gave the children. Maybe that's the point?

    1. Avior
      Avior 9 January 2022 19: 26
      +1
      Zakharchenko had a child, it is written about this in the article
    2. Flank
      Flank 11 January 2022 12: 12
      0
      Quote: Timofey Charuta
      children the Lord gave it

      Yes, probably God gave them children more than once.
  12. Victor Tsenin
    Victor Tsenin 9 January 2022 22: 01
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    Why suggestion about a woman’s persuasion? This is who convinces our women, politicians whom they do not care about, some communities, no, we are, with rare exceptions. We, the men of our women, I mean. Then about the Siberian women, the place of temporary stay is not an incentive to convince oneself of some kind of fragmentation in the context of geography.

    It all ended badly for such persons, it's a pity (really).
  13. gsev
    gsev 10 January 2022 07: 56
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    Quote: Olgovich
    And her achievements, of course, were

    It is enough that she encouraged her husband and the sailors of the flotilla entrusted to him to repulse the fleet hijacked by the crystal bakers from the British naval base in Iran.
  14. Altmann
    Altmann 12 January 2022 16: 59
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    Thank you personally for the article. I don’t appreciate, but these ladies were mostly brave patriots.