The Russian Foreign Ministry does not consider it necessary to lift the moratorium on the death penalty

The Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) of the Russian Federation does not consider it necessary to lift the moratorium on the death penalty. There is no reason for this yet.

This opinion was expressed RIA News Commissioner for Human Rights, Democracy and the Rule of Law of the Russian Foreign Ministry Grigory Lukyantsev.

The representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation noted that this moratorium is in effect in the Russian Federation, since this is the principled position of our state. The diplomat mentioned that it was decided to abolish the use of the death penalty in Russia in 1996. This was one of the requirements that must have been met when the Russian Federation joined the Council of Europe.

Both the Constitutional Court and the President spoke on this matter.

- said Lukyantsev.

He also recalled the corresponding decision of the Constitutional Court (CC) of the Russian Federation.

Earlier, the likelihood of lifting the moratorium in Russia was discussed in a book by Valery Zorkin, Chairman of the Russian Constitutional Court. In his work, he expressed the idea that the absence of the death penalty does not correspond to the legal traditions of our country and is a forced concession. At the same time, Zorkin believes that its re-introduction is unlikely to occur. But much will be determined by the legal situation in the Russian Federation.

Comments

[Flooding]

What does the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have to do with this issue?
This topic should be discussed only in a popular referendum.
It was still not enough to go to the offices to ask for the opinion of officials.

[Antokha]

I would give you 20 pluses, but you can only have one

[Flooding]

Quote: Anton

I would give you 20 pluses, but you can only have one

I expressed the opinion of 9/10 forum readers.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Flood

I expressed the opinion of 9/10 forum readers.

And Lukyantsev and - possibly - the Foreign Ministry also have their own opinions, which everyone has the right to have.

And the question, of course, must be resolved ONLY in a referendum. I believe that most will be FOR. AGAINST will only those who fall under the law and those who are always against (and Baba Yaga always against!).

[tatarin1972]

Officials are a "special caste" of people. One well-known official of the Ministry of Internal Affairs said that the main task of the investigation is not to get out on themselves, and here, they first of all care about themselves and their loved ones. And you never know, the property of any corridor to end with a wall.

[fruc]

This was one of the requirements that had to be met when the Russian Federation joined the Council of Europe ...

It would be strange to hear from those in power (the corrupt liberda) a different opinion. Western values they have (for them) unshakable.

[Cat Alexandrovich]

I agree. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs should only always express its aloofness. And there is nothing to go into their own affairs.

[Barberry25]

well, apparently he was asked by journalists and he voiced the current position of the party, if there is a decision to lift the moratorium, then the statement will be appropriate

[ugol2]

There was no go-ahead. Now, if the Guarantor says that it's time to think about canceling, then everyone will race to approve and talk about the numerous requests of the workers ...

[Barberry25]

well, yes, it will.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Flood

What does the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have to do with this issue?
This topic should be discussed only in a popular referendum.
It was still not enough to go to the offices to ask for the opinion of officials.

Yes Yes. This is how much money will fly past your pocket if you accept it? How many heads will fly?

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: Flood

What does the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have to do with this issue?
This topic should be discussed only in a popular referendum.
It was still not enough to go to the offices to ask for the opinion of officials.

This is how much money will fly past your pocket then? And how many will be out of work? Whether you want it or not, you have to work.

[Terenin]

Quote: Flood

What does the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have to do with this issue?
This topic should be discussed only in a popular referendum.
It was still not enough to go to the offices to ask for the opinion of officials.

It is clear that the MFA is an additional bonus when communicating with Western partners. Like "white and fluffy"
A personal driver will bring and take you without any problems

[Hey]

What does the Ministry of Foreign Affairs have to do with this issue?

Let's be objective. When was the decision to impose a moratorium on the death penalty made? Right. When we joined the Council of Europe for Human Rights. And this question was the main one for entry. And all international treaties are the diocese of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs. And the Foreign Ministry will have to talk in Europe and answer this question first of all.

This topic should be discussed only in a popular referendum.

Definitely. But there is a nuance. Any state question is a question of power.
Under this government, when the lawlessness of the security forces, when they plant and fabricate evidence, when the court makes unauthorized decisions. It will "just spit" to bring an uncomfortable person under a firing squad. And therefore, now it is impossible to lift the moratorium and give a "brush" to the current government. Although it is understandable that most people will be "FOR".

It was still not enough to go to the offices to ask for the opinion of officials.

Again, this is a matter of power. And with this initiative an official from this power came out.
They will want to conduct a survey among officials, they will not want to. As accepted and canceled. Europe will "run into" our officials who have real estate, money, wives, children and mistresses there. And this whole initiative will die out. And all the exhaust into the whistle.

[Looking for]

absolutely correct thought.

[Serge-667]

I would give you 20 pluses, but you can only have one

Something like this..

[Million]

It would be fair if it was the people who decided it, and not some representative of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs ...

[Deck]

"First!
We had no agreement on your return to the shore.
I don't owe you anything.
Second.
The code is pirate, and our laws are written for us.
And the third.
The code is just a set of guidelines, not hard laws. "

The opinion of one of the members of the constitutional court

[Region39KGD]

This was one of the requirements that must have been met when the Russian Federation joined the Council of Europe.

What a farce, these Banderlog will soon be reputed to open us, and we all sacredly observe some obligations of joining the Council of Banderlog! Ugh

[rocket757]

The Russian Foreign Ministry does not consider it necessary to lift the moratorium on the death penalty

... A double edged sword ... as always.
The question is ... CANNOT EXECUTE PERMISSION ???
Where to put the comma, the question?

[Gardamir]

It is necessary to remove the commas, let everyone read as they want.

[rocket757]

Risky ... lynching / lynching have never brought peace to society.
We have a different mess around, enough without it.

[yuriy55]

Quote: rocket757

The question is ... CANNOT EXECUTE PERMISSION ???
Where to put the comma, the question?

More important is the question, do you have confidence in that court, in those judges who will begin to pass judgment? The latest cases show how the court treats the presumption of innocence ...
Opponents of the death penalty cite as an example cases when the guilt of an executed person was protested several years later. The only consolation for all law-abiding citizens can be the appearance of technical means (lie detector, polygraph ...) that help to identify false testimonies.
Only there are crimes that exclude the very presence of "bad people" in society ... There are, and many agree with this.
It's another matter why the Foreign Ministry became interested in this after the statement of the head of the constitutional court V. Zorkin? Are you offended that Russia was not admitted to the Council of Europe?
From the whole set of rules, lifestyle, laws, instructions, customs, rituals, we must choose for US living in Russia, PLEASANT FOR US AND OUR CHILDREN,

[rocket757]

When exactly so, two-edged ... it just doesn't work.
Trust in the judicial system ... this is an issue that is acute in many places, we are not making any exceptions here.

Quote: yuriy55

Are you offended that Russia was not admitted to the Council of Europe?

This is a bummer for officials, some bummer, not to get to warm, grain places ... and in our society the prevailing opinion is that somewhere there, ours, it is useless to sit, and besides, you have to pay for it.
It is all the more clear that without the creation of a state with the internal well-being of citizens, we will be driven from everywhere, like, punished ...
In general, the dregs are complete, but order must be restored at home, that the people perceived this state as their own ...

[yuriy55]

Quote: rocket757

Trust in the judiciary ... is the question, which is acute in many places, we are not making any exception here.

There is only one question:
"WHAT DOES THE JUDGE MAKE A MISTAKE (FAULTY) JUDGE?"

[rocket757]

Between ERROR and FALSE, one must either put an equal sign, or these are completely different offenses and should be assessed differently.

[YOUR]

Once they started talking, they will cancel. Shaft precedents.
But here is another reason why Article 20 of the UN Convention - "Illicit enrichment", which has not yet been ratified, she calls a criminal offense "a significant increase in the assets of a public official in excess of his legal income, which he cannot reasonably justify."
If so, for whom will the death penalty be introduced?
They also talked about introducing into the law on citizenship the possibility of terminating citizenship. And again, great, but what about the Constitution of Ch. 6 p. 3 will we amend the Constitution again?

[yuriy55]

Quote: YOUR

But here is another reason why Article 20 of the UN Convention has not yet been ratified

And they do not know about it (or have forgotten). As for those they were reminded of:

There are no others, but those farther

They have already written:

Although in 2021 most Russians barely noticed statistical growth of real incomes by 3,5%, billionaires managed to increase their total fortune by $ 101 billion. and trade.

[rocket757]

The judicial system, security and legislation, were tailored specific faces for their own, specific goals ...
This is not to say that it is all very different from others of the same kind, but this is not encouraging from the definition, IN ANY WAY.

[cniza]

But much will be determined by the legal situation in the Russian Federation.

The death penalty is a very complex and controversial issue ...

[paul3390]

Looking at what is happening in our spiritually strengthened state, every day you are convinced of the truth of the old paradigm that "Only mass executions will save the Motherland" ...

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: paul3390

"Only mass executions will save the Motherland" ...

And everyone knows the first candidate for anointing the forehead with brilliant green!
PS And probably on the second, too, the opinion of the majority will agree ...

[paul3390]

Let's be honest - and there will be worthy candidates for the first thousand, and even for the tenth .. May God somehow be able to stop at the hundredth ..

[Flooding]

the only question is who will look through the scope, and who will look through the barrel.

[yuriy55]

Quote: paul3390

Looking at what is happening in our spiritually strengthened state, every day you are convinced of the truth of the old paradigm that "Only mass executions will save the Motherland" ...

Looking at what is happening in our "spiritually" state, every day you are convinced of the truth of the old paradigm: "Only mass shootings will save Russia", completely forgetting who may be the first to be targeted ...

[paul3390]

Well, yes, of course - and on such an occasion it is necessary to get away with all the curse being done in Russia? Avon in China - thieves are shot without any sentimentality, and nothing - no one buzzes .. As well as drug dealers, spies and other evil spirits .. Your point of view - even Ivan the Terrible has been challenged, as is known for the cruelty of the nicknamed Vasilyevich ..

... and those who are like the opposite, the hedgehog is higher, then, through their own fault, they accept execution. And in other lands you will see for yourself, evil is very much evil: there is not according to the local! Then you, with your evil custom, approved the traitors to love: but in other lands they do not like Israelis: they are executed and thus affirmed.
And torment, and persecution, and death of the manifold were not intended for anyone; and he remembered treason and sorcery, otherwise such dogs are executed everywhere ...

[yuriy55]

Quote: paul3390

Your point of view has been challenged by Ivan the Terrible, as you know for the cruelty of the nicknamed Vasilyevich ..

Maybe it’s right: Ioan Vasilievich, nicknamed the Terrible?

Quote: paul3390

Well, yes, of course - and on such an occasion it is necessary to get away with all the curse being done in Russia?

You have completely perverted my thought. I can give you other sayings of the greats that challenge your point of view:
"It is better to free ten wine men than to sentence one innocent to death." - a phrase that was used by Peter I and Catherine II, but it was stuck with Catherine.

But I could speak freely
In the era of wild wars and cold-blooded executions,
That it is better to acquit the guilty ten,
Why execute one innocent.

© A. N. Apukhtin.

Quote: paul3390

Your point of view has been challenged by Ivan the Terrible, as you know for the cruelty of the nicknamed Vasilyevich ..

[paul3390]

"It is better to free ten wine men than to sentence one innocent to death."

Tough times call for tough decisions. It is easy to be kind and fluffy in a state where there is no corruption, murderers, rapists, etc. .. In our case, kindness is a direct crime against the country and the people. For accursedness - already overflowed with foam above the head, and by persuasion not to do so - you will not correct the situation for anything. This is what we see, unfortunately. Once again, refer to the Chinese experience ..

We are told: Ivan the Terrible is a bloody villain, because he executed innocent boyars. Have you ever seen innocent boyars? Well, if you look around ...

[yuriy55]

Quote: paul3390

It's easy to be kind and fluffy in a state where there is no corruption, murderers, rapists, etc.

I don't want to be soft and fluffy about terrorists (they can be proven guilty).
I do not want to be soft on corrupt officials (any economic or financial crime leaves traces).
I have no pity for murderers, pedophiles and drug dealers ...
Perhaps everything that should be burned out with a red-hot iron.

[yuriy55]

Quote: paul3390

but in other lands they do not like Israelis: they execute them and thus they are affirmed.

Marshal Mikhail Nikolaevich Tukhachevsky - Shot in 1937 in the "case of the anti-Soviet Trotskyist military organization", rehabilitated in 1957.
Can you put yourself in the shoes of the slandered patriot of the country? Can you imagine the pain of a person sentenced to death without guilt?

[lucul]

"Can you imagine the pain of a man sentenced to death without guilt?"


Mmm ..... and what does a soldier feel when he goes into battle "for slaughter" - you didn't ask yourself such thoughts?))))
Or - "this is different"?

[yuriy55]

Quote: lucul

Or - "this is different"?

It's not that at all ...

[paul3390]

That is - you truly believe that the same Tukhachevsky was innocent as a child ?? And they performed it purely according to Stalinist arbitrariness ?? And there was no military conspiracy? Yes, my friend, there is a direct road to the freshly closed Memorial with such thoughts ...

[yuriy55]

Quote: paul3390

That is - you truly believe that the same Tukhachevsky was innocent as a child ??

I don’t understand something, you accuse me of something based on ??? Do you know the concept: the presumption of innocence? In this connection, I have to make excuses to you for my statement?

“Presumption of innocence” is a condition, according to which, a person is innocent until the time when his guilt is not proven in court.

you must prove to me that Tukhachevsky is an enemy of the people. And in real life it is like this:
Mikhail Nikolaevich Tukhachevsky
rehabilitated in 1957.

Rehabilitation in criminal proceedings means
the procedure for the restoration of the rights and freedoms of a person who has been unlawfully or unreasonably subjected to criminal prosecution, and compensation for harm caused to him
(Clause 34, Article 5 of the Criminal Procedure Code).

Each regional center has a Tukhachevsky street. Listen to smart people and it will become clear to you who Marshal Tukhachevsky was:

And now you give me a link to the materials on the basis of which I am dear to the Memorial ...

[lucul]

"Well, yes, of course - and on such an occasion it is necessary to let go of all the curse perpetrated in Russia? Avon in China - they shoot the thieves without any sentimentality, and nothing - no one buzzes .."

Vi still anti-Semite)))

[rocket757]

So it is ... peace and unity in society, it will not add.
However, leaving as it is, also does not satisfy everyone.

[cniza]

You cannot leave, but this instrument can not be given to everyone in the hands ...

[rocket757]

A difficult question ... without the overwhelming desire of our society, such changes are undesirable.
Although, the question of the overwhelming desire, the solution, is also not so simple ...

[cniza]

That's just the point, a double-edged sword ...

[fruc]

I can support if you replace the death penalty with hard labor. I do not want my deducted taxes to go towards the maintenance of murderer recidivists. Let these non-humans work for the state.

[yuriy55]

Quote: frruc

I can support if you replace the death penalty with hard labor.

So two think: Vasily and Yuri. And the second for "very, very hard labor" ...

[babylon]

In general, this issue should be resolved in a referendum, and officials will never lift the moratorium because for them it is tantamount to suicide.

[yuriy55]

Quote: vavilon

Actually, this issue should be resolved in a referendum.

Actually, it is as “easy” to initiate a referendum today as to challenge the legality of a three-day and electronic voting in conjunction with the results and condemn the PEC chairman for stuffing.

[babylon]

I agree with you completely,
But the topic of electronic voting is another matter.

[lucul]

"In general, this issue should be resolved in a referendum, but officials will never lift the moratorium because for them it is tantamount to suicide."

The right to violence should only be in power, and 100% at that. No crime, ethnic groups, etc. and shouldn't come close to it.
The question of the death penalty is raised when the state ceases to control its right to violence, and others begin to use violence in the country. The right to violence is like the right to a female, in a monkey flock - if you yourself cannot, others will certainly take advantage of it. This is the most striking indicator of the strength of power.
Let me remind you how Lukashenka put things in order at Olimpiika (Brest-Moscow highway) in the 90s. When he came to power in 94, he gave the go-ahead to the security forces, and they were especially zealous racketeers who shook the trucks, shot them right on the spot, without trial or investigation (an attempt to escape). The result is silence for over 20 years. Moreover, in Belarus since then, there is still not a single thief in law. Everyone bypasses, it does not matter, Caucasians are not Caucasians - the law is the law.

[babylon]

Are you saying that the state did not control violence in the union !? or today in the same states where the death penalty by electric chair is also not used?
Violence and crime have different roots, it can be moral, criminal, economic, treason, etc., and depending on the severity of the crime committed, the offender must be punished to the flesh to the highest measure, be it a maniac who took away a certain number of lives or a corrupt official who appropriated for himself not measured
State funds.
In the union, more than 10 thousand rubles were the highest measure for theft, and today they steal with impunity with millions and nothing, everything is in the order of things, they will pay off or share.

[Recoil]

This is not a question for the Foreign Ministry.

The Model Code of Ethics and Official Conduct of Civil Servants of the Russian Federation and Municipal Employees was written specifically for such balobols.

[Lech from Android.]

It seems that the officials of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs do not care about the opinion of the people ... they will wait until the people start to spit on them.

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Lech from Android.

will start to spit.

Lead a machine gun!

[paul3390]

Work drags a machine gun.
Now he will join the battle.
A poster hangs: “Down with the gentlemen!
Down with the landowners! ”

[Andrey Moskvin]

The concession is forced. What prevents the tower from being returned today? It is necessary to enter it, and draw a red line.

[APASUS]

This is an internal affair of the country, why are these statements? And again, someone made a decision for the people, who asked him?
In fact, we are again trying to look good and obedient to the West. And where is the independent policy?

[yuriy55]

Quote: APASUS

And again, someone made a decision for the people, who asked him?

The decision was made by those who were absolutely sure that they would receive a bullet for their "state" affairs, and then they would burn it in the crematorium oven ... that is why the Criminal Code was quickly cleaned up ...

[evgen1221]

Ktnechno do not consider, because with a change of power, oh, how much will go to the wall.

[evgen1221]

Ktnechno do not consider, because with a change of power, oh, how much will go to the wall.

[fruc]

This is a normal process, therefore, when changing power, it is customary "feet in hand and run farther and faster."

[vl903]

so where did they start? or rather finished off!
abolished the death penalty, made the machinations in the military sphere a petty fraud and not a firing squad, and pounded normal KGB officers

[rotmistr60]

There is no reason for this yet

Because Western "partners" can misunderstand? Of course, for the sake of this, it is worth forgiving tens or hundreds of ruined lives and keeping these ... in prisons with taxpayers' money? But why the representative of the Foreign Ministry gives comments on this matter is not entirely clear. Maybe he'd better take care of the release of Russian citizens in American prisons?

ombudsman

This phrase evokes certain emotions in our country. These are the defenders of rights who shouted in defense of the Chechen militants (the same Kovalev), zealously defended the Ukrainian terrorist Sentsov, rapists and pedophiles from the cohort of "fair-faced and handshake ...?"

[Andrey Moskvin]

Exactly. The "human rights activist" sounds like a "liberal" already. Although it seems like a decent word.

[Evil troll]

The word is decent, but for some reason the people behind this word are completely indecent.

[Suomynona]

The death penalty is a necessary thing, but not in our country, where the guilty can be made to drink.

[fruc]

Suomynona
where the guilty can make you like a drink to give.

And there are a great many examples of this .......

[Serge-667]

O! Adequate detective!
I then, a sinful thing, thought everything .. People are over. Only the chipped ones remained.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Suomynona

The death penalty is a must

Who needs it? Why don't you like life-long? On the "special regime" the conditions are such that you will not want to live.

[Suomynona]

Why keep them? For the pleasure of their suffering? I do not need it. It is enough to know that the psychopath or rapist will no longer do harm.

[alekseykabanets]

Quote: Suomynona

Why keep them? For the pleasure of their suffering? I do not need it. It is enough to know that the psychopath or rapist will no longer do harm.

Let's put it very mildly, the domestic judicial system is not perfect (as well as the consequence), and humanity has not yet learned how to return life. What I would introduce is confiscation for economic crimes.

[Suomynona]

I originally wrote about this. I have a positive attitude towards the death penalty, but not in our country

[dimy44]

First of all, for corruption, as in China. We must start with this. And then right now they are not afraid - they got caught, shared, even there they live like at a resort.

[Alexander 3]

This issue must be submitted to a national referendum. And not only this question. There will be more questions. Our sleeping thought is not suitable for this. Like the same question about stray dogs that huddle and tear people up. All chipped and not chipped. Shoot.

[steelmaker]

We are people, not gods. And they must live according to human principles and laws. But we have an elite that hid from the people behind high fences and guards. They do not understand how you can live on a minimum wage of 12300 rubles. or a pension of 10000 rubles.
Live by the logic of the earth, strive for the divine
the logic of the earth is like a kettlebell pulling down.
Here everything is different, everything is wrong, here people are not in paradise,
we are on Earth, we learn, we protect our lives.
If you are shot with a steel bullet, do not bear it,
and fight back with a combat grenade.
Thou shalt not kill - this is later, on another planet,
and on Earth - fire with water and peace with war,
but we are responsible for the world!
This is earthly logic, dear to us in spirit.
Honor your father and your mother is the commandment of Jesus,
but if the life of children is suffering on the path of life,
respect from children do not wait.
If a woman on the track loves everyone for a reason,
it means that her life is broken, it means that her life is a gulag.
Get glory for yourself not by shouting, but by deeds,
be with the people, as in the trenches, at the forefront.
This logic is earthly in spirit to us dear.
The logic of the universe and the logic of the earth,
this is our life - so short

[Siberian-1]

I don't think that such criminals need to quickly follow to hell. There he is, or he is not, there is still THAT question. It is enough to make their existence here on earth a hell and endless, without any hope of breaking out of it. What does it say in Dante's Divine Comedy? Give up hope, everyone who enters here ...

[Sergey3]

I dare to argue with you! For example, it is high time for the marked man to go to hell, but he lives off the people he has robbed in good time!

[your vsr 66-67]

When holding a referendum, I would vote yes! Naturally for lifting the moratorium! Why should our country be equal to the West? We have our own values, they have their own! Don't copy everything!

[senima56]

"The Ministry of Foreign Affairs (MFA) of the Russian Federation does not consider it necessary to lift the moratorium on the death penalty." And you ask the people, not the Foreign Ministry!

[Sergey3]

It’s in vain! It is very much needed as a deterrent! And stop crying for innocent victims.

[Siberian-1]

Quote: Sergey3

I dare to argue with you! For example, it is high time for the marked man to go to hell, but he lives off the people he has robbed in good time!

You see, the judgment of God does not in any way cancel the judgment of man. I would be pleased to see him in handcuffs and in an iron chamber, tightly welded to ensure that he is not released. Let with a window for soldering and a toilet. Wasn't this an example for possible similar actions? And, not only in the field of state betrayal. A tower as it would look for anyone. And an attempt at liberation, under any pretext and by any persons, would simply lead to destruction. And let it hang on them.

[st2st]

And, I remember how all sorts of pedophiles, Kovalevs, Nezhdantsevs, in Chechnya persuaded our soldiers to surrender, after which their heads (soldiers and officers) were cut off. Here, for whom the death penalty is natural, for these supposedly saviors. So their admirers are peacekeepers, they also sit in the Federation Council, to this day.

[Serge-667]

In general, of course, the injection is beautiful. Now the people will be convened for a referendum, after all sorts of polls have been conducted, then the "moratorium" will be canceled ... And then, they will start hanging for an attempted coup and a threat to the life of statesmen.
(see LIST of articles of the Criminal Code with the highest measure). Oha. Again, a reference point to the mass without_Consciousness.

[Charik]

they have already made themselves immune (to death)

[Charik]

in the meantime, the next disgrace of the Putyansky courts is -2 years term + 200k fine for a pillow with billions-hahaha

[Soldatov V.]

There is the mentality of the nation, the people. Half of America hangs, half of America gives life. China knows what it does when it shoots embezzlers in stadiums. Make a referendum (at least a trial one) so that the people know that their aspirations are taken into account.

[Owl]

When ALL power should get a "watch", some for betrayal (giving away thousands of kilometers of water areas, giving up islands), some for "large-scale theft", some for organizing and participating in criminal offenses - there is no way out of the moratorium on the death penalty will not be. The Russian Foreign Ministry simply reassured the "sponsors" and "partners" once again.