Military Review

The American edition published a rating of the most powerful tanks, without including a single Russian

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Rating of military equipment by one or another expert group or mass media has become a common practice lately. At the same time, these ratings often reach the point of absurdity in the attempts of their compilers to promote one technique and underestimate the characteristics of another. One of the most biased ratings came out in the United States, where the military-themed publication "1945" decided to compile a list of "the most powerful in power and fire tanks"- according to its own version. It turned out more than strange.


For example, the American edition 19FortyFive named American, South Korean and German tanks as leaders in this regard: Abrams, K2 Black Panther and Leopard 2. None of the Russian tanks, including the T-14 Armata, was included in the rating.

At the same time, it should be emphasized that the compilers of the rating found the courage to admit that they "can be biased." However, the mentioned bias, as it turns out, is not even that Russian-made tanks are not considered in the list at all, but that the compilers were generally going to limit themselves to one tank ...

The rating indicates that, by and large, "one tank is worthy of consideration", and this is the American M1 Abrams (who would doubt it), because "no other tank from the list has been tested in real battles."

That is, in "1945" they actually openly admit that "rating" is not even a rating as such, but a desire to declare the "Abrams" as "the most powerful tank in the world." The rest of the tanks are just a semantic appendage to turn this into at least a semblance of a rating.

The American edition writes that the Korean tank is being considered due to the fact that it has a "high efficiency of hitting targets" thanks to the "smart" KSTAM-II ammunition. He is able to hit the target, striking in its upper projection. The German tank is listed, as stated, "because of its powerful engine and high armor-piercing projectile."

At the same time, the authors of the rating decided not to spread especially that the power of the Leopard 2 engine is the same as that of the French Leclerc tank (1500 hp) and less power of the modifications of the Russian T-14 Armata engine, which (the tank) has a By the way, the arsenal also has high armor-piercing ammunition.
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  1. andr327
    andr327 30 December 2021 06: 56
    +43
    Guys, do not offend the journalists - they also need to eat, feed the family. The editor said that they should fill a column and a half with something patriotic, and wrote about their tank (not about the victory in Afghanistan, write the same). Freedom of speech - as much as you say, you will get as much. recourse
    1. Breard
      Breard 30 December 2021 07: 41
      -21
      Hmm .. and we have ... then, well, sAvsEm is not so. Only the truth when no one asks! belay
      1. Sling of David
        Sling of David 30 December 2021 07: 58
        +20
        Don't worry, the Merkava-4 is so much better than the Leopard, and it was not included in the list of the best tanks either. And military websites in Hebrew do not even write about this, it is not interesting. For it is important to be, not to seem.
        1. Hermit21
          Hermit21 30 December 2021 08: 06
          -3
          Merkava-4 is so much better than the Leopard


          Shaw is bullshit, sho is bullshit.
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          2. Sling of David
            Sling of David 30 December 2021 09: 54
            +4
            What's not bullshit?
            1. Hermit21
              Hermit21 30 December 2021 11: 27
              +1
              From foreign tanks - Abrams.
              1. Simon
                Simon 30 December 2021 18: 40
                -4
                Abrams is a bunch of metal, but I don't think it's a "bullshit" tank. The most important thing is that it does not have the active protection that our tanks have.
                1. Vladimir Mashkov
                  Vladimir Mashkov 1 January 2022 16: 15
                  0
                  Funny people who believe that American The media will praise NOT American. Objectivity? And what is it? laughing
          3. Lepsik
            Lepsik 30 December 2021 10: 07
            -2
            --Merkava

            tse armored vehicle - it is not a tank.
        2. impostor
          impostor 30 December 2021 08: 25
          +16
          RF: And in 2017, when the British Ryanair in Stansted was grounded due to a bomb report.
          UK: It's different. It's about the bomb.
          RB: So the terrorists also told us that there was a bomb on the plane.
          Europe: Who reported?
          RB: Um ... Hamas soldiers.
          Hamas: We didn't say that. And we are not terrorists.
          Israel: You mean, "not terrorists"?
          Europe: Israel, let's not now.
          RB, RF: Bgg ...
        3. Split
          Split 30 December 2021 10: 11
          0
          Merkava is an ordinary tank + -, it's just that it is generally recognized by them that the engine will protect the front ... Yes, the engine even breaks through 14,5! And I'm not talking about tank calibers ... yes, it can disperse a cumulative jet, but from ordinary scrap .. ... he won't save
          1. English tarantas
            English tarantas 30 December 2021 18: 04
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            It turns out to be a rather funny story, although the engine breaks through, but there is also a transmission, fuel tanks and partitions, a lot of "garbage" of course does not count. If the merkava is behind the hill, it turns out that the scrap that fell below the tower, first with a high probability flies into the armor, then the transmission, then the engine, then the partition, and then, due to the low-set crew, it does not touch it, as it flies into the upper part of the tower where there is nobody. It's cool, but yes, any + - scrap and a tank for a thorough repair
            1. Split
              Split 30 December 2021 18: 35
              +1
              But again, it all depends on the literacy of the crew! Although the tanks in the front somehow don't give me confidence ... yes, ours also have a carousel with charges ... if they break through and hit them, the death of the crew is inevitable ... but in general, when we hit the tower, our 72ki and 80 and 90 live .... there are a bunch of vidos hits in disorderly warriors and they escaped. Yes, in the same Chechnya ... I don’t remember the details already ... 7 hits from RPG 7 in the tower, and there the emnip commander died ... as I recall ... the jet hit ... But still the 72nd generation is the most massive tank in the world. And if it were bad, no one would have produced it in such quantities, would not sell it, much less modernize it.
              1. Split
                Split 31 December 2021 00: 15
                +2
                For what minus then? Our boxes saved our skins in 2001, for me and for 8 guys .... though we drove 40 minutes from the checkpoint .... Yes, they were introduced to Grozny in 95 72ki, judging by no dz ..... chtoli am I to blame?
                1. Timeout
                  Timeout 31 December 2021 05: 46
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                  Quote: Split
                  Our boxes saved our skins in 2001, for me and 8 guys .... really we drove 40 minutes from the checkpoint

                  Yes, dear ... Before writing this, study the map of Dagestan. And there were no checkpoints after Khasavyurt, even during the period of active hostilities. Everything was killed by the troops from Gudermes to the border with Dagestan. The only one! A militia checkpoint in Khasavyurt was set up after the terrorist attack on September 23, despite the fact that on September 17 in Gudemes the spirits attacked a reinforced part of the Internal Troops in Druzhba. And for personal development, the "Vostok" battalion was formed in 2003. And the RON, on the basis of which it was formed, in 2002. There is a population of 15000 in Yasnoye, what kind of automated control system can there be? ACS is a regional military registration and enlistment office, with a population of at least 1000000 people.
                  1. Split
                    Split 31 December 2021 09: 19
                    0
                    And who wrote about the hasavyurt? if you pick up my messages, I wrote where it was ... this time
                    He wrote that the Vostokists, because they were just then correctly written ... of them, the East was formed, Mukhamet continued to serve in it until 2007 .... It's easier for me than writing Dagestanis - that's two.
                    If you are not aware, despite the end of active hostilities in Chechnya and Dagestan, there were separate attacks afterwards.
                    And for more education - 15000 in Yasnoye - this is a civic town ... ZATO Komarovsky - 20 thousand emnip ... have a snack colleague.
                    As for the military registration and enlistment office ... I can send a scan of the labor office ... I was the deputy head of the 1st department specifically for the automated control system and concurrently then started the secretariat with 1 form of admission, although I was a civilian - I could only get it in 11 years. Then I left after this incident, despite the fact that Inchin offered me that he would break through the rank, on the condition that I transfer to the military commissar, and even then the new standards for positions came out and I was obliged to receive the rank of no lower than lieutenant.
                    ZY at the military registration and enlistment office, I translated all the secret into electronic form ... thanks to my work, my boss was promoted to major or colonel, I don't remember anymore and was transferred to the regional VK
                    The guy who took his place after Inchin's retirement became the new head of VK
                    1. Split
                      Split 31 December 2021 09: 28
                      -1
                      My mother was the head of special communications and special equipment in the civilian police department, if you google it, then in the closed administrative district there was its own special police ... as a result, my friend became the head of the investigation department of the special police proper. I personally know the mayor, because at the graduation ceremony, his daughter invited me to dance ... well, I also personally know the Ginters - the head of the Department of Internal Affairs
                      1. Timeout
                        Timeout 3 January 2022 05: 18
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                        Quote: Split
                        chief of special communications

                        HF and secret in the provincial ATS? You are obviously flattering .... A journal for receiving telephone messages, as well as a manual on office work and secrecy. Fairy...
                        Quote: Split
                        own special police

                        Yeah, so special that it turned into an ordinary interdistrict department.
                    2. Timeout
                      Timeout 3 January 2022 04: 47
                      +2
                      Quote: Split
                      And who wrote about the hasavyurt? if you pick up my messages, I wrote where it was ... this time

                      Yeah ... The life of a "couch" partisan is hard. Every other time you post about New Gadari, which are located 17 km east of Khasavyurt. "Warrior" does not even know where and from where he is going ...
                      Quote: Split
                      He wrote that the Vostokists, because they were just then correctly written ... of them, the East was formed, Mukhamet continued to serve in it until 2007 .... It's easier for me than writing Dagestanis - that's two.

                      Mukhamet, who is Nizami, with either his daughter or his wife "Silima"?


                      Quote: Split
                      Chechnya and Dagestan - there were separate attacks and after that constantly.

                      On the federal highway? Which "crocodiles" and "eights" flew around the administrative boundary line every three hours. Eat less "salt"! You will save your health ...
                      Quote: Split
                      ZATO Komarovsky - 20 thousand emnip .... have a snack colleague.

                      In Komarovsky, even at the best of times, there were no more than 10000 people. So you don't even have to eat.
                      Quote: Split
                      As for the military registration and enlistment office ... I can send a scan of the labor office ... I was the deputy head of the 1st department specifically for the automated control system and, in combination, then I started the secretariat with 1 form of admission

                      Scan? You can't. From the word at all ... For there are no deputies for the heads of departments, but there are assistants, just as there is no such department or department "secretariat". And only the military commissar, his deputy and the head of the secret unit have the first form of admission in the military registration and enlistment office. By the way, in Yasnoye from 1981 to 2012, the head of the secret was a woman, Nadezhda Viktorovna. To get the position of a simple assistant, one had to have a specialized education or work at the military registration and enlistment office for 3 years, and the older one for five years or be a reserve officer. so it's all a lie ...
                      Quote: Split
                      The guy who took his place after Inchin's retirement became the new head of VK

                      Instead of Inchin, Budanov, the former head of the Dombarovsky military registration and enlistment office, became the chief. Again a jamb ...
                      1. Split
                        Split 11 January 2022 00: 08
                        -3
                        You know, I will answer you all the same (c) Casino Royale .... I do not remember his name or surname, he offered me a position ... Budanov or whatever ... xs ... but Inchin was on his head .... chuckle .... considering that he had a bullet in his head ... You probably do not know your colleague? and there the youngsters were put in fact, this is what I remember .... as well as the piece of paper that I signed about "non-disclosure"
                        You can consider me a couch warrior, but we are a whole host, I am not going to prove something there ... that I had access to 1 without a permit form - but whatever you wish ... as you wish ... Do you know that Nadezhda, to which I was assigned, came down with cancer? But my Mom and the head of the passport department of the police department died after chemotherapy (or whatever it is called!?) Maybe they forgot to mention this? If you are aware of this in Yasnoye, well, remember ... well, let's remember Tolik Nikolaev ...
                      2. Timeout
                        Timeout 11 January 2022 03: 26
                        +2
                        Quote: Split
                        I don’t remember his name or surname, he offered me a position ... Budanov or whoever ... xs ..

                        To go nuts ... Indeed, sclerosis + lies cannot be treated. Then let me remind you, a quote from your post above))
                        Quote: Split
                        Then I left after this incident, despite the fact that Inchin offered me that he would break through the rank, on condition that I transfer to the military commissar, and even then the new standards for positions came out and I was obliged to receive the rank of no lower than lieutenant.
                        So, facts and only facts. For information, admissions in state secrets are given not by the chief, but by the FSB on his recommendation. Nothing would shine from here, there is no education, title or experience.
                        Quote: Split
                        Could you be aware that Nadezhda, to whom I was assigned, came down with cancer?

                        Is the fantasy over? Well, there, for example, maternity leave. Then again, for information, Victoria Stepanovna from 1999 to 2003, was not on sick leave (even with a runny nose).
                        Quote: Split
                        If you are aware of this in Yasnoye, well, remember ... well, let's remember Tolik Nikolaev ...

                        Why should I remember someone? If, for example, deputy. chief of the Department of Internal Affairs, major position. And normal officers did not go to the trash.
                        PS A selection of facts:
                        1. Bars-1 caliber 5,6x39, but never 5,45.
                        2. Radiy says that there were no juvenile puppies in the military enlistment office.
                        3 gauge puts a 20 kg child on the ass.
                        4. The military commissars did not travel to Dagestans and Chechnya, because the regions were not conscripts at that time.
                        You can write with a couple of dozen more, but comrade Split is clearly using something ...
                      3. Split
                        Split 11 January 2022 16: 14
                        -3
                        1.in the grooves the same 5,6, our 5,45 in the fields
                        2. Well, who would say, I can send a scan to the labor
                        3.Well, who would say, apparently checked on yourself?
                        4. Didn't drive ... I drove
                        but comrade Split is clearly using something ...
                        Strange, I haven't even tried it, maximum nicotine
                      4. Timeout
                        Timeout 11 January 2022 17: 40
                        +1
                        Quote: Split
                        on the grooves the same 5,6, our 5,45 on the fields

                        Isn't that so? The conversation is actually about 5,6 × 39 and 5,45 × 39.
                        Quote: Split
                        Well, who would say, I can send a scan to a labor

                        Who would that be? And with the scan, see above, it's the same as with work in a bee-house and special communications.
                        Quote: Split
                        i went

                        On a crooked donkey. For a couple, or with Mahmud or Mukhamet, or maybe Nizami?
                        Quote: Split
                        Strange, I haven't even tried it

                        Yeah, incoherent expression of thought and constant mental anguish. Obviously drunk and substance.
                      5. Split
                        Split 13 January 2022 21: 34
                        0
                        On a crooked donkey. For a couple, or with Mahmud or Mukhamet, or maybe Nizami?

                        With Muhamet ... Nizami killed emnip in 98
                      6. Timeout
                        Timeout 14 January 2022 02: 14
                        +1
                        Quote: Split
                        With Mohammed...

                        Then for those who are in the tank, take two:

                        Quote: Split
                        Nizami killed emnip in 98

                        Heavenly powers! He has risen.
                      7. Split
                        Split 11 January 2022 00: 31
                        -3
                        And after that, my knowledgeable, go for a smoke, it will become easier, I promise lol If it were not so sad that they are no longer with us, but not with you negative
                      8. Timeout
                        Timeout 11 January 2022 03: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Split
                        And after that, my knowledgeable, go for a smoke, it will become easier, I promise
                        Will it feel better for you? Yah!!! You are clearly a connoisseur of "salt" and moral masturbation ...
                      9. Split
                        Split 11 January 2022 15: 29
                        -3
                        Well, I don’t argue, I’m steaming salt nicotine, so what? But as for the moral. heh lol I won't even wish you nervous exhaustion on these holidays tongue
                      10. Timeout
                        Timeout 11 January 2022 17: 45
                        +1
                        And a smiley with a tongue for what, purbertat tortured? Can't you all grow up? Clinic....
                      11. Split
                        Split 11 January 2022 17: 49
                        -3
                        You should have grown up a troll, but your brain is still there ... I wish you "good luck" and very good ... my grandfather was an eye-catching ... good luck kid
                      12. Timeout
                        Timeout 11 January 2022 18: 03
                        +2
                        Quote: Split
                        You should grow up trollin,

                        Are we already on you? With you, "secret hunter" on one hectare, no one sits down to shit? Sad incident ... My condolences.
                        Quote: Split
                        my grandfather was an eye-catching one.

                        Accidentally then they didn’t pull their eyes on the ass? Then good luck with your eyeballs!
                        Quote: Split
                        good luck kid

                        Thought Giant Expression ... Throwing Already?
                      13. Split
                        Split 11 January 2022 18: 07
                        -3
                        Quote: Timeout
                        Accidentally then they didn’t pull their eyes on the ass?
                        Nope, a piece of rubber was then pulled out of someone in the hospital
                        ZY, the conversation is over, freak
                      14. Timeout
                        Timeout 11 January 2022 18: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: Split
                        Nope, a piece of rubber was then pulled out of someone in the hospital

                        Aah, I see. The opponent was in favor of safe sex ... You were lucky that you only left an elastic band, but could have shoved a picket fence.
                        Quote: Split
                        ZY, the conversation is over, freak

                        Why so about yourself, isn't it all so sad? Or was there a picket fence ...
                      15. Split
                        Split 12 January 2022 12: 20
                        0
                        Strictly -3 under all comments ... and this is a violation of the site rules ... you and your dogs put a minus under each comment
                      16. Timeout
                        Timeout 13 January 2022 00: 02
                        +1
                        Quote: Split
                        This is a violation of site rules...

                        Rules ... Did you read paragraphs a, h?
                        Quote: Split
                        you and your dogs

                        Paragraph a, has already intentionally insulted someone you don't know. 70% of your comments are deliberate lies - this is point h.
                      17. Split
                        Split 13 January 2022 19: 16
                        0
                        I'm not going to prove anything to you. This is all a lie, I was not the beginning of the secretariat, there was no first form, there was no that fight, there was no shell shock and coma ... satisfied?
                      18. Timeout
                        Timeout 14 January 2022 02: 18
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                        Quote: Split
                        I'm not going to prove anything to you.

                        I don't need to prove anything, because everything is clear with you.
                      19. Split
                        Split 14 January 2022 09: 17
                        -1
                        And I am not obliged to write real names, as I wrote above ... there was nothing, all this is fiction lol Although some of the names are real. What are you up to me.....? Wife won't? I won't give you lol
                      20. Timeout
                        Timeout 15 January 2022 02: 39
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                        Quote: Split
                        I won't give you
                        That's what I thought, the holey one ... Otherwise, I think, why are these licking and giggling emoticons in the comments. Where is VO going ...
                      21. Split
                        Split 15 January 2022 02: 40
                        -1
                        Yeah you're just a lol drinks
        4. English tarantas
          English tarantas 30 December 2021 18: 00
          +1
          Alas, but the merkava in terms of mobility, armor and survivability (own, not the crew's) does not reach the leopard, plus a number of specific disadvantages, again due to the layout. So the Merkava will be in the top 10, but not in the top three, unfortunately, although the tank is cool and beautiful, for example, I really like it.
          1. anthonindex
            anthonindex 31 December 2021 10: 40
            +1
            Quote: English tarantass
            but the merkava in mobility, armor and survivability (own, not the crew) does not reach the leopard

            The external volume of the Merkava is less than that of the Leopard. The mass of the tanks is almost identical (the Leopard has 3 tons less), it turns out that, on average, the Merkava's armor should be thicker (In real life, these data are secret). Armor and weapons of tanks have the same roots. The Merkava has a KAZ and an engine located in front, which has a positive effect on the survival of the crew. So, it is very controversial to argue that the Leopard is more tenacious than the Merkava.
            1. English tarantas
              English tarantas 31 December 2021 11: 59
              -2
              The external volume of the Merkava is less

              Hardly, but even so, the key is the area that needs to be booked, and the area of ​​the front and the front of the Merkava tower is definitely higher than that of the leopard, therefore, to close the tank from the front penetration onto the leopard, less area is needed, which means with the same or comparable mass the armor will be thicker there. Plus the area of ​​the supporting surface of the merkava has an average ground pressure of 1,2; for leo2a6 0.9 kg / sq cm, hence the conclusion that it is easier for a leopard to move, as it is easier for a person to walk on snow in skis than in felt boots. Also, I am not strong in power plants and engines, but if we divide 1,5k horses of engines of both tanks by mass, then leo2a6 will have under 25, and merkava under 21, since its mass is from 70 tons (we are talking about 4k), the general balancing of the tank's mass also affects mobility, for the merkava it is shifted very much forward, despite the fact that the leopard has a larger cannon and the ammunition in front, the Israelis regularly suffer with the suspension, to such an extent that the 4 front rollers are grappled forward, hence it follows that at least the driver of the Merkava will carefully turn, brake and turn on the spot.
              Armor and weapons of tanks have the same roots

              In general, there was nothing in common, at the beginning of its journey there was no thick armor anywhere at all, only a few centimeters of steel, the leopard immediately
              1. anthonindex
                anthonindex 31 December 2021 12: 04
                +1
                Quote: English tarantass
                the area of ​​the vld and forehead of the Merkava tower is definitely higher than that of the leopard

                Leo's width is 3.75m and height is 3.0m.
                The Merkava is 3.72 wide and 2.66 high. So calculate the area of ​​the frontal projection.
                1. English tarantas
                  English tarantas 31 December 2021 12: 23
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                  The width and height of the T-72 and the Abrams are also comparable. But you are apparently blind, I'm not talking about the distance between the farthest and the points, but about the area of ​​parts and parts
              2. anthonindex
                anthonindex 31 December 2021 12: 07
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                Quote: English tarantass
                at the beginning of its journey on the merkabah there was no thick armor at all anywhere

                what is thick armor?
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      2. fruc
        fruc 30 December 2021 10: 26
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        Rating of military equipment by one or another expert group or the media has become a common practice lately.

        Basically, all rating agencies work for their manufacturer and image. I have not heard anything about our agencies, except for the real one in the SAR. Maybe it's even good.
      3. your1970
        your1970 30 December 2021 11: 38
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        Quote: Breard
        Hmm .. and we have ... then, well, sAvsEm is not so. Only the truth when no one asks! belay

        Come on !!!!! You wrote your idea now in the ..... media !!!
        "Mass media registration certificate EL No. FS77-76970, issued on 11.10.2019 by the Federal Service for Supervision in the Sphere of Communications, Information Technology and Mass Media "
    2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
      Sidor Amenpodestovich 30 December 2021 07: 58
      +6
      Quote: andr327
      Guys, do not offend the journalists - they also need to eat, feed the family.

      Announcement in the saloon: "Do not shoot at the pianist. Play as best he can."
    3. SKVichyakow
      SKVichyakow 30 December 2021 10: 50
      +1
      Quote: andr327
      Guys, do not offend the journalists - they also need to eat, feed the family. The editor said that they should fill a column and a half with something patriotic, and wrote about their tank (not about the victory in Afghanistan, write the same). Freedom of speech - as much as you say, you will get as much. recourse

      Each chicken, its chicken coop praises.
  2. mitroha
    mitroha 30 December 2021 06: 59
    +11
    That says about the "professionalism" of this publication. Accordingly, the VO administration should think about whether it is worth publishing here the "pearls" of this publication
  3. Palestinian
    Palestinian 30 December 2021 07: 03
    +7
    1st place-USA ..... 10th place ?? .... also USA ... super rating ... God bless America (sarcasm))))))))))))))
    1. ugol2
      ugol2 30 December 2021 11: 34
      +13
      It is difficult to find an American rating where the American is not in the first place.
      Even if it's the height rating of the mammoth shit piles.
      The American mammoth is the highest serit! wassat
  4. Doccor18
    Doccor18 30 December 2021 07: 12
    +11
    The American edition published a rating of the most powerful tanks, without including a single Russian

    Well, they would have made their own rating of the "best", where, apart from Soviet / Russian tanks, they did not include anyone else ... Fortunately, the domestic tank building with its rich history allows it.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 30 December 2021 08: 09
      +6
      Quote: Doccor18
      Well, they would have made their own rating of the "most-most", where, apart from Soviet / Russian tanks, no one else was included.

      Well, are they bad, what about Russian tanks to write? Immediately, "some" will have unpleasant associations, heartburn, palpitations and blood pressure will rise ... no and no. You can't write such terrible things before the holiday! )))
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    2. English tarantas
      English tarantas 30 December 2021 18: 08
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      And the joke is that the best domestic tanks will actually start after the 5th place, at least objectively, of course, you can make up such criteria by which ours will be the first, for example, by weight, and that is, there are Japanese, Koreans and a Frenchman who will stick out in this pile tops, but if we really take all the evaluation criteria for tanks, then ours are not very cool in comparison with just numbers
  5. Konnick
    Konnick 30 December 2021 07: 17
    +1
    The American edition writes that the Korean tank is being considered due to the fact that it has a "high efficiency of hitting targets" thanks to the "smart" KSTAM-II ammunition. He is able to hit the target, striking in its upper projection. The German tank is listed, as stated, "because of its powerful engine and high armor-piercing projectile."


    How clumsy it is written ... oh, no, patriotic ... what is the top projection? What armor piercing?

    "It's not like that guys ..."

    The Korean K2 Black Panther tank is distinguished by the presence of the KSTAM-II intelligent ammunition, launched from the main cannon of the projectile and capable of striking enemy vehicles from above. A feature of the Leopard 2 is the presence of a powerful diesel engine and an armor-piercing projectile with a thermal imaging sight.

    Well, what shells does Armata have with a thermal imager?
  6. yuriy55
    yuriy55 30 December 2021 07: 18
    +9
    The American edition published a rating of the most powerful tanks, without including a single Russian

    Why listen to them? After 1945, they told everyone that in World War II, the Americans defeated Hitler and the Soviet Union without having fought a single significant battle in Europe.
    ==========
    Forgive me, gentlemen, American experts, that we forgot to put a thermos with coffee in Russian tanks and put packs of condoms in the ammunition box ...
    1. Vasyan1971
      Vasyan1971 30 December 2021 07: 25
      +3
      Quote: yuriy55
      ... we forgot to put a thermos with coffee in Russian tanks and put packs of condoms in the ammo rack ...

      And this, by the way, is unknown. Maybe it's all there ... wassat
    2. Fantazer911
      Fantazer911 30 December 2021 08: 13
      +5
      Forgot about the African American loader hi
  7. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 30 December 2021 07: 24
    +2
    after all "no other tank from the list has been tested in real battles."

    Then the most powerful atomic bomb is "Little Boy". For, thank God, no Strategic Missile Forces have been tested in real battles. request
    1. yuriy55
      yuriy55 30 December 2021 08: 10
      0
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      Then the most powerful atomic bomb is "Little Boy".

      Eh, what a riddle you asked ... belay Let's clarify then that "Little Boy"
      An exploded uranium bomb and the first ever atomic bomb used in military operations: on August 6, 1945, it was dropped by an American bomber on the Japanese city of Hiroshima.
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 30 December 2021 09: 36
        +1
        Quote: yuriy55
        Let's clarify then

        Quote: yuriy55
        An exploded uranium bomb and the first ever atomic bomb used in military operations

        About her and speech, why clarify something? Thank God - the only one, although, of course, there was also "Fat Man". That, they say, is more powerful. But again - a comparison between the United States and the United States. request
  8. Graz
    Graz 30 December 2021 07: 29
    +12
    Well, according to the Bops, we can't take it away. and Armata and what Armata, how many of them are there and how many of their troops? here is the answer. There will be at least 200-300 pieces, then this tank can somehow start to be taken into account in the layouts and ratings. I’m not all the scum, but there’s nothing to really boast about. there are developments, but they are more at parades and exhibitions, but in the army they do not exist, only modernized samples, and there are no new ones
  9. Split
    Split 30 December 2021 07: 34
    +14
    What kind of nonsense ??? belay
    The most belligerent and massive tanks are our T34 and 72 ... and the Abrams is a tank destroyer, which must climb out at maximum range, shoot and crawl away ... because it has no mobility and no armor on the side or on top ... All these seps 1/2/3 that they tried to do to this "tank" like to make it a tank - they didn’t work ... the mass except that the mouse is already too low .... what can he do in a city battle? Never mind! Anyone with an antediluvian shot to the RPG-7 will take it on board ... not to mention the fact that the cornet with its 1,3m penetration and tandem will pierce it in the forehead

    Now mobility and a competent well-coordinated crew are deciding. And Abrams, the tiger created ala Yagd, has long gone into the past ... not to mention the fact that Abramsuzhe has not been produced at all for a long time lol apparently a very excellent "tank", as well as the Apallon rockets with its masterpiece F1
  10. rotfuks
    rotfuks 30 December 2021 07: 41
    +7
    Americans generally have a long-standing megalomaniac. They have great lakes. The deepest canyons in the world. The mountains are the highest. Who would doubt that their tanks are the most powerful. Probably American tanks are the heaviest in the world and require special bridges and roads for combat use. Abrams will definitely get bogged down in Ukrainian black soil.
  11. Sergey Gusak
    Sergey Gusak 30 December 2021 07: 52
    +1
    The children are offended that Armata did not get into the rating of some magazine there, and the fact that she did not get into the RF Armed Forces is not a problem. Eh, I remember
    "It was approved, including by the armaments program, 2300 units until 2020," Sienko said in an interview with radio station Echo Moskvy, answering the question of how many tanks and other combat vehicles based on the Armata armored platform are planned to be supplied to the Russian army.
    1. Siberia55
      Siberia55 30 December 2021 17: 02
      0
      And what is the need to produce a bunch of Armata? For what, at the moment? To pump up the dough, rivet it and wait for it to become obsolete?
      Regardless of whether it's a shame or not that ours were not included in the lists: a rating on the topic of the most powerful tank, and not the most massive, expensive, unmodernizable (they tried to modernize the Abrams, they mastered the loot and did nothing). But the MOST SUITABLE ... Ugh !!!
      1. Sergey Gusak
        Sergey Gusak 30 December 2021 22: 12
        0
        I agree. For a true patriot, the main thing is that the tank is in the ratings, and not in the units, isn't it? And the Americans, of course, are fools, who can argue?
  12. aleks700
    aleks700 30 December 2021 07: 53
    +3
    Well, good. Let them calm down. If there is a surprise.
  13. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 30 December 2021 08: 18
    0
    Again, sanctions, Russian tanks were not included in the rating. It became a shame. Most importantly, we have them. lol
  14. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
    Aleksey Aleksandrovich 30 December 2021 08: 19
    +2
    Has Abrasha defeated everyone again? Expected))
  15. Bad thing
    Bad thing 30 December 2021 08: 26
    +2
    [b] The American edition published a rating of the most powerful tanks, without including a single Russian

    And what is the grief.?
  16. mark1
    mark1 30 December 2021 08: 27
    +5
    rating of the most powerful tanks ... ... not a single Russian

    Oh, what a grief! I'll go and forget myself in the blue pit - the negroes from the military-themed edition "1945" didn't mention us! Oh no no no!...
    With whom are these "most powerful" to fight then they are going to continuously modernize? - probably among themselves ...
  17. Ingvar K
    Ingvar K 30 December 2021 08: 28
    +1
    The fags that made up this rating asked the opinion of the crews of the Abrams destroyed from the RPG-7 during the war in Iraq.
  18. Barack Obama
    Barack Obama 30 December 2021 08: 29
    +1
    The American army is as "strong" as the Hollywood one. Therefore, do not disappoint them. If anything, there will be a surprise ...))
  19. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 30 December 2021 08: 29
    0
    Who praises Abrams will get a big candy. smile
    1. Aleksey Aleksandrovich
      Aleksey Aleksandrovich 30 December 2021 09: 05
      -1
      And whoever praises the T-90, he will receive a weighty ... YUL and a reprimand with the introduction ...
  20. Jcvai
    Jcvai 30 December 2021 08: 40
    +1
    But what about other American tanks: Tanque Argentino Mediano, EE-T2 Osório, etc.?
  21. sifgame
    sifgame 30 December 2021 08: 47
    0
    What's so horny is that it's just second-rate content for internal consumption.
  22. Aleksandr97
    Aleksandr97 30 December 2021 08: 58
    +1
    What is KSTAM-II the only TUR and the other tank guided munitions ?? :
    "Lahat" - development of the Israel Aerospace Industries (IAI), caliber 120 mm;
    "Polynege" - French company Nexter, 120-mm caliber;
    Italian tank UAV "HORUS", caliber 120 mm.
  23. Kaufman
    Kaufman 30 December 2021 09: 07
    -1
    combat experience ...
    And our tanks ?? Our tanks trampled Berlin! All tanks in the world combined do not have such combat experience!
  24. taseka
    taseka 30 December 2021 09: 15
    0
    One of the elements of information warfare that you shouldn't pay attention to. And in the final sense, it is not the tank that wins, but the crew! And as shown by the tank um))) bambinton, with this we have complete order.
  25. Maks1995
    Maks1995 30 December 2021 09: 24
    0
    What's the point of referring to bloggers from 19FortyFive,
    emerged in the crown-isolation, so as not to get bored ???
    They are nobody. Just to poke fun at amers?

    If all the media diligently bypass specialized publications, there are tons of YouTube videos - both cooler and more reasoned.
  26. zloybond
    zloybond 30 December 2021 09: 28
    +1
    And on every such occasion to tear the hair on the bottom ???? Well, they didn’t bring it in ... well, it’s good ... let them continue to think so .... A highly valued enemy is the enemy’s main mistake. We can only benefit from it.
  27. Constanty
    Constanty 30 December 2021 09: 30
    +3
    The rating is really biased, and the arguments are far-fetched, but it is difficult to take into account the T-14 "Armata", which is STILL not in service, and there are no conclusions from the use or behavior of a tank with such a concept in real field battles.

    Let me remind you that more than 30 years ago, the Americans tested an almost identical concept with a crew in a capsule in front of an unmanned tower - TTB.

    However, for some reason, this decision was abandoned - perhaps the state of the electronics and fire control systems at that time did not allow the practical use of a tank of this design. Or maybe the problem is even deeper?
    1. Konnick
      Konnick 30 December 2021 10: 27
      +1
      However, for some reason, this decision was abandoned - perhaps the state of the electronics and fire control systems at that time did not allow the practical use of a tank of this design. Or maybe the problem is even deeper?

      Deeper, or rather thicker. After the shelling during the tests, they came to the conclusion that the gun must also be protected by armor, otherwise it is combat-ready until the first hit. And you can only protect it with a tower. And with the turret outside, only the head parts of the sights and devices, which cannot be done without the turret.
      But "UVZ designers" repeat found a way out, they covered everything with a pseudo-tower made of 5mm armor, mounted on pins with cotter pins
      1. Constanty
        Constanty 30 December 2021 10: 53
        0
        But the "UVZ designers" feel found a way out, they covered everything with a pseudo-tower made of 5mm armor, fastened on pins with cotter pins


        I sincerely doubt that 5 mm - that this is a solution to the problem - from 7,62x54, not to mention 12,7-14,5 mm, 30 mm, will not protect. Anti-tank shells of 105-120 mm caliber will not even notice this obstacle.

        It is difficult to say at what level the armor coverage of the Armata's own tower is - although a photograph of the tower without screens was recently published, it is difficult to draw any conclusions from it.
        1. Konnick
          Konnick 30 December 2021 11: 26
          +1
          I sincerely doubt

          I put the word constructors in quotation marks. The main test of the tank has always been shelling, not resource tests. Even representatives of UVZ call this casing "splinterproof". The shelling seems to have been carried out, now they are thinking how to find a way out of the situation. So Armata will remain a ceremonial tank.
          1. Constanty
            Constanty 30 December 2021 11: 33
            +1
            What prevents you from adding additional, but solid armor to the tower, like traditional tank towers? After all, since there are no two crew members, the volume will be less than that of the standard turret.

            Yes, the tank, for example, will “pick up” these 5 tons, but the chassis and the engine will allow it - the T-14 is a large tank compared to other Soviet / Russian designs and, probably, has a large reserve of carrying capacity.
            1. Konnick
              Konnick 30 December 2021 11: 57
              0
              What prevents you from adding additional, but solid armor to the tower, like traditional tank towers?


              This is how you get a full-size tower. Imagine adding a minimum of 300mm combined armor to an existing anti-splinter casing. Moreover, KAZ, as if the size of the platform does not go out. The dead end of the design idea, into which the creators of that "Abrams" rested 30 years ago.
              1. Constanty
                Constanty 30 December 2021 12: 34
                0
                It's not quite full-size. The fact that it remains unmanned will reduce the size and shape of the armor without looking at people.

                Another thing is that I still think the best solution is the Soviet "Buntar" with a crew under the turret ring. It's a pity that it didn't go into mass production at that time.
  28. Emergency
    Emergency 30 December 2021 10: 08
    0
    Well, okay. Let them amuse themselves. In battle, you can't cover up with any rating.
  29. mva
    mva 30 December 2021 10: 19
    +2
    author and where did you find the T-14 "Armata"? So far, she only goes to parades with canisters on her armor. Not accepted for service. Maybe the Imperial Star Destroyer should have been included in the rating?
  30. Split
    Split 30 December 2021 10: 30
    +2
    My opinion is of course sublimated .... but I managed to ride the 80ke ...... even shoot .... I certainly have nothing to compare with .... but it has a dynamics with such a weight poorer than my Civic! When he tears from his place ... he just squeezes you into a chair ... yes, gas turbines are considered very expensive ... like we won't get to the lamanche ... but I think this tank is the most ...
    Well, the shot ... everything shudders ... the bolt goes away ... probably half a meter ... tin ... After that battle, our tankers gave a ride repeat
  31. Bradley
    Bradley 30 December 2021 10: 55
    -1
    For example, the American edition 19FortyFive named American, South Korean and German tanks as leaders in this regard: Abrams, K2 Black Panther and Leopard 2. None of the Russian tanks, including the T-14 Armata, was included in the rating.

    The T-14 is a piece tank, so where is it in the rating? Reckoned, as I droop - production cars.
    But why then is there no T-90M, which has already passed 60 units and will still be handing over. An excellent weapon, strong armor - the T90M is a very good tank. 3BM60 - "Lead" projectile length 735 mm), which takes 600 mm at a distance of 2000 meters. Serious projectile. The Germans have an analogue - DM-53 (projectile length 760 mm).
    The Americans have a serial M829A3, with a projectile length of 930 mm it takes 700-750 mm. We don't take М829A4 yet.

    I would put it like this:
    - 1st place - Abrams M1A2C (M829A3)
    - 2nd place - T90M (3BM60)
    - 3rd place - Leopard 2A6 (DM-53)
    As we remember, we did not take the M829A4 for the Abrams tank.

    At the same time, it should be emphasized that the compilers of the rating found the courage to admit that they "can be biased." However, the mentioned bias, as it turns out, is not even that Russian-made tanks are not considered in the list at all, but that the compilers were generally going to limit themselves to one tank.

    Any rating is biased. News or something?

    The rating indicates that, by and large, "one tank is worthy of consideration", and this is the American M1 Abrams (who would doubt it), because "no other tank from the list has been tested in real battles."

    Here, yes, the T-72 is also a veteran, like the "Abrams", and the same T-72B3 can shoot "Lead". But the T-90M is better.)

    That is, in "1945" they actually openly admit that "rating" is not even a rating as such, but a desire to declare the "Abrams" as "the most powerful tank in the world." The rest of the tanks are just a semantic appendage to turn this into at least a semblance of a rating.

    In the sum of qualities, yes - the most "powerful". This is BIOS, filling, gun, shells, armor, excellent engine with automatic transmission, high crew survivability.
    In the sum of these qualities, he is truly the best. Yes, M829A4 decides, as does situational awareness.
    2020s, not 1950s. Today, electronic filling offers tremendous benefits.
    1. Sands Careers General
      Sands Careers General 30 December 2021 12: 20
      -3
      You can find out in one way who is better, to release the latest modification of the T-90 and Abrams, for example, in the city and on rough terrain, in mud and swamps.

      Then we'll see who is Kojira and who is just Sasaki. laughing
  32. Eroma
    Eroma 30 December 2021 15: 05
    0
    Where is the rating itself? What is written there?
    Abrams and Leopard 2 took part in the battles and Leclerc against the Houthis, it seems, and T90, Challenger also fought, Abrams and T90 have the greatest experience
    I have forgotten the Merkava
  33. B1 Lanser
    B1 Lanser 30 December 2021 16: 15
    -1
    The Abrams Decide!
  34. Sergey Tankist
    Sergey Tankist 30 December 2021 20: 21
    0
    Since the edition is American, then the best tank is also American. It was impossible to expect anything else ...
  35. tank64rus
    tank64rus 31 December 2021 10: 38
    0
    You cannot praise yourself, no one will.
  36. Woland
    Woland 31 December 2021 13: 37
    0
    You can't praise yourself, you walk like spit
  37. aries2200
    aries2200 31 December 2021 15: 16
    0
    but what prevents RUSSIA with the same rating without including dancing ??? what is the problem!?
  38. Glagol1
    Glagol1 31 December 2021 20: 20
    0
    The price for American ratings is very close to zero. Both in universities and in business. Clowns.
  39. Grognag
    Grognag 1 January 2022 09: 14
    0
    And yet Abrams, if at sunset and on the right side, then he is very beautiful, a joke of course, but the article is not that good, if you compare it is necessary to take the amount of horsepower per ton
  40. Baron pardus
    Baron pardus 2 January 2022 07: 23
    0
    It seems to me that it is wrong to accuse the Americans of bias. Before we answer at least something, let's ask questions
    a) How many ARMAT are already in the army?
    b) How many BOPSs at the M829A4 (or DM53) level are ALREADY in the troops and are they already REGULAR BK tanks.
    c) Are there MASSOVO on modern Russian tanks NVG and MSA comparable to American (or South Korean, or German, or French or Israeli)?
    d) Can the latest modification of the T90 be compared in terms of the level of protection with the Leopard 2A7, Leclerc or the latest versions of Abrams? Especially against BOPS.
    e) Does Russia in MASS production have a weapon equivalent to the German Rheinmetal 120mmL55, or, even more so, 130mm L51. By the way, 130 L51 is, works, tested on Challenger and READY for installation on Leopards 2 or Abrams even today (there would be an order). By the way, both the German 130mm and the French 140mm have already been tested, what can you hear with the 152mm gun for ARMATA?
    f) The mobility of the tank is good. Did the Russian designers cope with the annoying fact that the rear speed on the T90 is 5 km / h. Like on the Panther.

    BEFORE you CHECK an American journalist, you need to ask yourself these and other questions.

    As far as I know (And I could be wrong)
    a) There are NO armatures in the Troops
    b) Nothing is massively produced at the M829A4 level, since it does not fit into the AZ. The "Vacuum" shells were tested, but they did not go to the troops en masse (as far as I read)
    c) Electronics, night vision devices, control systems have traditionally been the weak point of Soviet tanks. As far as I know, the gap has not been overcome.
    d) By the level of protection, all modifications of the T72 / 80/90 are inferior to the latest models of Abrams and Leopard
    e) There is a new 125mm gun. 2A82, not in mass production. Unlike the German 120mm L55, which is ALREADY on Leopard tanks (unlike the Armata Leopards 2A7 ALREADY in the army). Nothing equal to the German 130mm and, moreover, the French and 140mm in Russia in the field, has not been tested on tanks and NOTHING is ready for mass production.
    f) As far as I read, the problems with the reverse gear of the Russian tanks have not been resolved.

    Again, this is MY information, I may not know a lot. But if my information is correct, then it is not surprising that not a single modern Russian tank was included in this list.
  41. Vladimir Anakoikher
    Vladimir Anakoikher 2 January 2022 12: 38
    0
    "None of the Russian tanks, including the T-14" Armata ", was included in the rating" (c)
    And how many Russian T-14 Armata tanks are in service with the Russian army?
    0? That is, "zero"? I mean, not one?
    And how many Russian T-14 Armata tanks are in service with any other army?
    The same amount? Not at all, that is?
    And why the hell then, then, an "eternally promising", even if "unparalleled" tank with an "uninhabited tower" should be included in the ratings, where real combat vehicles are measured with pussy?
  42. Vitaly Solovyov
    Vitaly Solovyov 5 January 2022 22: 07
    0
    Expediency, bias and lies do not distort reality for the American at all, but support the reality he is accustomed to. Everything is as usual, some order, others cook, others hawala, the rest are enemies, why listen to them.
  43. Dimon Dimonov_2
    Dimon Dimonov_2 10 January 2022 08: 56
    0
    The tank is not as terrible ... as its drunken crew.
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  44. Alexander Chernov_2
    Alexander Chernov_2 5 March 2022 20: 14
    0
    Russian tanks are made in 10-20 copies for display on Ren-TV and for parades. To explain to the people where trillions of military budget are spent.
    On the other hand, there are hundreds, if not thousands, of modern tanks in America and Europe.
    The protracted massacre against the "poor" Ukraine confirms this.