Choice of the USA. To be or not to be NATO alliance

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On the eve of the New Year, the world has not found a way out of the crisis. The hysteria continues in European capitals. In Washington, politicians and the military are losing various options for responding to Moscow's demands. Kiev froze in anticipation and is actually engaged in self-criticism.

Alas, the political crisis in the United States, some discord in European politics, the gas crisis, the return of Covid-19 in a new guise and many other challenges are not helping to pacify the planet. And the policy based on the principle of "everything later" led not only to the accumulation of unresolved problems, but to the emergence of new ones.



The "showcase for the exhibition of the achievements of the capitalist economy" created in the West has ceased to be attractive not only for "totalitarian regimes", but also for the citizens of "democratic" countries themselves. It turned out that "totalitarian regimes" are much more effective in certain circumstances.

Ukraine has become a global problem


The defeated Ukraine, instead of the euphoria of victory, has become another problem for the global West. The huge country demands "bread and circuses" that were promised by the West. In plain text, Kiev politicians demand the same benefits and the same assistance that Poland received in due time.

But Kiev forgets that Poland was just created for the "showcase of the exhibition of achievements." For "luring buyers"! And it really worked great. The West has vast experience in trade.

And here lies the danger for the whole world. The hungry, cold and devastated country is radicalizing and already today is ready to “declare war and surrender” to anyone, except, probably, Russia. The situation is reminiscent of the 30s of the last century. Who is the first "bitten by a mad dog" is unknown.

When considering a military solution to a problem, we often assume that the United States and Russia will go all the way. That Moscow and Washington need a complete victory over their potential adversary. This means that the end of the war, the finish, and not the victory, will be the use of nuclear weapons.

But why such confidence?

None of the states today wants to "feed the vanquished." Modern wars are therefore local, short-lived and are fought on foreign territories. Cynically speaking, he came, hit, took what was needed or destroyed the dangerous - and left.

It seems to me that this is precisely why Washington is pushing Ukraine and Europe into a military conflict with Russia. The Americans are well aware that in a war with a non-nuclear state, the Kremlin will not use nuclear weapon... Thus, according to the plan of the Pentagon strategists, the Ukrainian-Russian war will be non-nuclear.

Raise bids to the maximum


The US decided to play for high stakes. Putting the NATO alliance on the line. This military bloc has done its job and has practically turned into a useless scarecrow, which no one is afraid of. I understand that this is a rather controversial statement, but facts are stubborn things.

In recent decades, the United States and NATO have conducted a fairly large number of military operations abroad. And everywhere under the beautiful name "NATO Joint Forces" the American army was hiding. The divisions of the European countries - members of the alliance played the role of auxiliary divisions. Present ...

What did this lead to?

Once, during the time of the USSR, the Americans and Russians spent most of the military budget on the maintenance and development of allied countries. The USA financed NATO, the USSR - the OVD. After the collapse of the USSR, the need for a NATO bloc was questionable.

But as Nietzsche once said: "War makes the winner stupid." Not only did the Americans continue to finance NATO, they allowed the bloc to expand, that is, they even increased spending. At the same time, there was no need for this, except for the notorious "missile flight time".

Further, simple arithmetic.

The US military budget is $ 768,2 billion. The military budget of Russia is 42,1 billion. At the same time, as President Putin recently said, the Russian army is modernized, armed with the latest weapons, mobile and effective. The US Army "froze" in development in the 90s of the last century.

American analysts, quite rightly, speak of the superiority of the Russian army over the US Army and Marine Corps in terms of combat effectiveness and striking power. True, most analysts still justify this by the fact that Russians always fight near their borders, but ...

Whenever possible, I consider with interest the award (order) strips of our military.

How does this have to do with the might of the army?

I think it is directly connected and shows exactly the fighting efficiency. Most officers, not even talking about generals, have military awards first. These are combat officers!

So, the Ukrainian clown president is starting a database in Donbass. The people of Ukraine, sadly to admit it, for the most part support it. Russia is doing what President Putin promised. The corps of the republics liberate the occupied territories of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

Some NATO countries, according to bilateral agreements, are beginning to actively help Kiev and thus involve NATO in the war. The United States, having no bilateral treaties, is washing its hands.

A perfectly digestible plan?

Why Americans do not need and even dangerous war


We are used to thinking that military solutions to problems are common enough for the United States. Yes, when your army solves problems effectively, with minimal losses and great benefits, this is so. Only in recent years it has begun to dawn on Americans that the movie Rimbaud and the real American soldier are completely different people.

Now the Pentagon has no confidence of victory, even where the American army has enormous technical superiority. As it was in Afghanistan, as it is happening in Syria. And this is caused not so much by the miscalculations of commanders and bosses, as by the policy of tolerance and inclusiveness.

The army, which officially serve openly gays, lesbians, transgender people, is demoralized. The army, which takes everyone in a row, loses its firmness. As a result, dedication, cohesion and pride in their achievements suffer severely. And these are the necessary conditions for maintaining a professional armed forces.

This state of the army, of course, leads to military defeats. What we see today.

But let's look at Europe.

There is no war and no military defeats.

But what is the NATO contingent, for example, in Poland?

Can we talk about the united forces of the alliance today?

Can we talk about a single command?

Let us recall the footage of the exercises of the joint forces of the bloc. Some in the forest, some for firewood. The level of training of soldiers and officers is strikingly different. The level of proficiency in equipment and weapons, too.

And this is a combined force?

Well, the last.

America is in crisis. The world is in crisis. A new war, and even with such an adversary as Russia, will lead to a sharp deterioration in the standard of living in the United States. Prices for everything will rise sharply. Starting from products that will be difficult to deliver, and ending with energy resources, which will be redirected to the army.

It is not difficult to predict the development of events further ...

Save face and destroy the state or return to the status quo


So, Washington is faced with a really serious choice. Either continue to play the role of a world leader who controls the situation and can always stop its development, or accept the conditions put forward by Russia and curtail anti-Russian activities in Ukraine, thereby depriving Kiev of the ability and desire to solve the LPR problem by military means.

Both Moscow and Washington are not yet ready to make any compromise. The cost of failure is too great, too much is at stake. If Ukraine is "blown up" after all, the consequences for all European countries, for Russia, for the United States, and for the whole world will be very serious.

In any case, the world is waiting for very serious changes ... We are waiting for January 10, when the two presidents begin regular negotiations ...
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  1. +4
    1 January 2022 15: 14
    It seems to me that Putin and Biden will agree on the division of spheres of influence. Well, the Outskirts will simply be thrown, as they threw suckers in the 90s, and not only in the 90s ... laughing
    1. +5
      1 January 2022 15: 35
      It seems to me that Putin and Biden will agree


      Leaving everything as it is ... And why is it bad for the United States? Or, in another way, how is it good for Russia? To admit that they kicked Ukraine out of their garden? Yes, this is a victory. Ukraine will feed itself, do not worry. And there will be no default - the United States will take care. You don't have to be in NATO to disobey the Kremlin. The moment was missed in the 14th. Now the accountant draws the line and writes "Total"
      1. -4
        2 January 2022 13: 03
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        1. 0
          2 January 2022 14: 02
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          1. 0
            2 January 2022 14: 18
            Quote: dauria
            РќРµSѓR¶RµR »Рё РїРѕР» Р ° РіР ° ете, С ‡ то РЅР ° С € Рё толстосумы РїРѕР »РµР · СѓС‚ РІ РґСЂР ° РєСѓ? ОстР° РІСЏС ‚РІСЃС 'РєР ° Рє естС.

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            1. +1
              2 January 2022 15: 31
              "Your moneybags" (by the way, where are they from, what country?), Of course, "will not get into a fight." But the Russian authorities are determined.

              Well, you can't be so naive. The government is the hired staff of billionaires. Potanin and Vekselberg, who is there in the USA or Germany? - the same. It is ridiculous to even think that these sharks will allow someone to decide the fate of their wealth. The head will instantly be rolled up to any wrong "manager", any screen will be replaced. They will not even regret even their fellow tolstosums. They will be torn apart by a flock of adventurers who do not agree to live according to common "concepts." It was not Putin who removed the birch and Hodor and Gusinsky, but the flock.
              In Ukraine, the trouble is that these billionaires have not yet agreed among themselves not to gnaw their own people, even if they really want to. So the redistribution of factories and banks after each change of the "president" All these Yulia, Kolomoisky, Poroshenko, Akhmetov and Yanukovych gnawed at each other. What the United States quickly took advantage of.
              1. +4
                2 January 2022 15: 37
                Quote: dauria
                Government is hired personnel

                Let's postpone our dispute until the end of January. And let's see which of us is right. smile
                1. +5
                  2 January 2022 15: 43
                  Let's postpone our dispute until the end of January.

                  A controversy is so a controversy. I say, at the end of January, not a damn thing will change in practice. The Baltics will not leave NATO. Ukraine will not join NATO. And the influence of the Russian Federation on Ukraine will not be. What do you say? Write clearly and simply. And then the dispute is stupid.
                  1. 0
                    2 January 2022 20: 06
                    Quote: dauria
                    And the influence of the Russian Federation on Ukraine will not be. What do you say? Write clearly and simply. And then the dispute is stupid.

                    You are funny. How do I know exactly what the Russian authorities will do, if now they themselves do not know? And how will everything be, what will be the outcome of the negotiations? Everything will depend on all participants. I can only assume that the US / NATO / EU will NOT surrender their positions and will try to drag out, obscure and blab the case. How and when Russia will start to act hard to say, but - I suppose - it will start with Ukraine. How large-scale the operation will be - I don't know. But it makes no sense to limit ourselves to Donetsk and Lugansk regions only. As well as it makes no sense to delay, the end of January-February is the optimal time, if there are no natural disasters. Although the Russian General Staff may think otherwise. smile
              2. +6
                3 January 2022 18: 55
                you have very little idea of ​​the real balance of power within the Russian Federation. it's funny to listen to naive arguments about the fact that in the Russian Federation there is some kind of extra-powerful group that is capable of solving something. here we have everything is completely different. closeness to power - gives the opportunity to receive government contracts and fill the purse. but for this you need to be from a close or distant circle of confidants. you can't just make money and try to influence Russian politics with it. just the opposite. .. Therefore, the government decides how and what will happen and the "moneybags" are saluted and build bridges and railways, welded at the same time at the expense of the state budget but supporting the "party line". but if they even think to balk, their dirty deeds immediately surface and they lose their fat bags along with freedom and influence ...
        2. Aag
          0
          3 January 2022 16: 23
          "... Zelensky's rating today is 22%. Is this the majority of the people of Ukraine who supports him? ..."
          Do not forget that among those who do not support Ze, almost all ardent radicals who consider him an agent of the Kremlin ...
          1. +4
            3 January 2022 16: 56
            Quote: AAG
            Do not forget that among those who do not support Ze, almost all ardent radicals who consider him an agent of the Kremlin ...

            Although you have a Ukrainian surname, I'm not sure if you are from / from Ukraine. Therefore, you cannot know that even in the most favorable time, the current government was supported by NOT MORE THAN a third of the population of Ukraine (if carefully study the election results after 2014, you will be convinced of this). And the Bandera radicals are generally small in number (in the last elections to the Rada, the radical bloc could not get even 5%).

            А most population / voters of Ukraine was and is FOR normal relations, friendship and alliance with Russia. smile
            1. Aag
              +2
              3 January 2022 17: 07
              "... And the majority of the population / voters of Ukraine was and is FOR normal relations, friendship and alliance with Russia ..."
              Once again, do not forget, in 2014 there were not many ardent radicals either in percentage terms ... Which did not prevent what happened.
              1. +2
                3 January 2022 18: 16
                Quote: AAG
                Once again, do not forget, in 2014 there were not many ardent radicals either in percentage terms ... Which did not prevent what happened.

                How can I forget what happened to me and my fellow countrymen? I AM NOT I will forget and never forgive this! Our whole city was seething, there were UNEXPECTED demonstrations and rallies since 1990. The mistake was that everyone was waiting THE PROMISED help that never came. The Banderaites realized that she would not come and woke up first and, throwing squadrons of assassin-assault aircraft into the cities of Novorossiya, brutally suppressed resistance everywhere, killing some anti-fascists, intimidating the population, imprisoning and forcing the leaders of the resistance to emigrate, establishing terror that is still in effect today.

                And the majority of the population, as it was, and is AGAINST the current government and their support - the Bandera, the United States and the West, who rule in / in Ukraine. But they cannot get rid of the joint American-West Bandera terror ...
                1. Aag
                  0
                  3 January 2022 18: 32
                  ... hi
                  Apparently, because of the emotional component, I have no right to argue with you ...
                  But here's how to deal with it: a friend from Irkutsk (the last duty station) dumped me in Ukraine for permanent residence (yes, there is a difficult family situevina ...) despite the fact that he saw babies impaled there, savagely raped by their mothers, brutally beaten fathers ... He left ... Here he came ... For a pension ...
                  1. -3
                    3 January 2022 20: 42
                    Quote: AAG
                    Apparently, because of the emotional component, I have no right to argue with you ...
                    But here's how to deal with it: a friend from Irkutsk (the last duty station) dumped me in Ukraine for permanent residence (yes, there is a difficult family situevina ...) despite the fact that he saw babies impaled there, savagely raped by their mothers, brutally beaten fathers ... He left ... Here he came ... For a pension ...

                    You do not understand. The UPA / Bandera atrocities took place in the last century (everyone knows who wants to know) and are now in Donbass (which is carefully hidden). Where your friend saw the atrocities now - I don't know. Or is it your kind of black humor? This is not the case in the rest of the territory. And if you sit quietly, do not oppose, or even better - assent, then everything will be tip-top. Moreover, with a Russian pension. smile But try to say something loudly against it - it will fly in immediately! A LOT of various Russophobic bans and laws.
  2. +27
    1 January 2022 15: 21
    It is high time to understand that it is impossible to change the existing state of affairs by spiteful criticism. For 7 years we have buried Ukraine, foreshadowing its disintegration, revolutionary cramps, anarchy - but it stands as it stood, the problems did not ruin it. For more than 70 years, the USSR "buried" Western, pernicious and decaying capitalism, which, unlike the USSR, is still rotting, it was rotting into the 21st century, so to speak. So with NATO - the song is really old. NATO predicted a lot of ends - but the horse is still alive, because it will only give up the well-established interaction, the heap of comprehensive treaties and the political link behind all this, which has firmly anchored the United States on this side of the ocean, and allows them to stay in Europe and Asia after 76 years after the end of BB2. Yes, the US spends a lot of money on this. But such coverage brings them a lot - it is enough to see with what ease they pull in their weapons and impose their own standards in general. Yes, NATO is a rather loose and unequal structure. But the dangers are still loose and unequal - there is still no union between the Russian Federation and the PRC, and separately all this, as well as Iran, the DPRK and "international terrorism" is not a big force in comparison with the capabilities of even such a NATO. Yes, in the event of a sudden large-scale war, all this will go down the drain on a heap of fronts. But NATO WILL GIVE THE OPPORTUNITY to roll for a long time like this, under the tail. It will give time to swing the Atlantist ridge, that is, even such a structure serves the interests of US security quite well.
    So at the moment I would be careful not to bury NATO.
    1. +21
      1 January 2022 15: 34
      I would be careful not to bury NATO

      Yes, but you shouldn't exaggerate its capabilities either .. NATO is no longer a cake, a pale shadow of itself from the period of the 80s .. For starters, there is no longer a trace of the once mighty German army ..

      And with the admission of new especially valuable participants ... I can only imagine that the Bundeswehr battalion is defending itself in the steppes of Ukraine, the Romanians are on the left, the Hungarians are on the right, the Italians are even further away .. belay Sound familiar? what I would be in the place of a nemchura - in such situations I would immediately give up, the genetic memory of the grandfathers would have played ... laughing
      1. +1
        1 January 2022 16: 07
        Despite this, NATO has two advantages that still play on their side. In the context of the policy on Russia, NATO has done an enormous amount of analytical work, digesting and making more or less correct conclusions based on information concerning all who waged wars against Russia, how Russia itself prefers to wage war, how it prepares for it, etc. Analytics is NATO's strength. They learned the lessons of Karl, Napoleon and Hitler, reworked the lessons of the Mongols and the civil war. And they made a conclusion from this, which is their second advantage - they do not use a direct attack on Russia, do not get into these terrifying spaces with partisans, mudslides and like a cherry on a cake with hellish meat grinders for endless major cities. At the same time, their actions for containment are quite effective, their potential for the POSSIBILITY of such an attack IF it is also required, in general, then increases (if you do not take into account a certain period of peace-friendship-gum and "like a joint" fight against semi-mythical international terrorism). If we look at the RI legacy as an empire to which we have conditional claims - and on the "Anglo-Saxon-Western world model" as a certain harbinger of NATO, then in this indirect struggle we regularly lose territory - Poland (became one of the pillars of Atlanticist influence on continent), Finland (became an excellent "neutral" plug of the West for a secondary direction) at the first stage, the Baltic states, Moldova and now Ukraine - at the second stage. Potentially - Belarus and Armenia in the future. All this jerking off of the parts of the whole happens without some kind of epic war, it happens PLANOMELY.
        Thus, I see NATO as not the main instrument for solving (well, for example, our problem for the West), because even before NATO, the West quite had (and has, and develops) much more effective means of jerking off than the military. NATO is just what is called a "power wing" supporting such a policy. In this vein, it is, if not paradoxical, precisely that the defense Alliance, quietly crawling like a Roman "turtle" and capitalizing itself, as a guarantor of the annexed in the first place, as a defender of the complex in the second.
        After all, we have not been very successful in offensive wars in our history. Yes, we pinched the Turks, pinched the Chinese or, for example, the Poles - but everything else, exactly in the configuration when WE are the strategically attacking side - we pinched pretty thin. And it is precisely on this that the modern ideological heirs of the Kunktator are counting, who do not give Hannibal a battle on his terms.

        As a conductor of such a line, any NATO will be effective as long as it has a complex two-fold advantage over us, because behind this NATO will be the entire array of Western industry and demography.
        1. -19
          1 January 2022 16: 36
          "In the context of the policy on Russia, NATO has done a tremendous analytical work, digesting and making more or less correct conclusions from the information concerning all who waged wars against Russia, how Russia itself prefers to wage war, how it prepares for it, etc."


          It's all tinsel)))
          The bottom line is that Russia is a man, and world Zionism is a woman who is trying to subjugate a man by all means.
          A man, as a rule, suffers for a long time, and then explodes. So this time, Russia hit the table with its fist ...
          If you hit the table with your fist, you can't retreat, you have to go to the very end.
          The rest is lyrics and verbiage.
          1. +4
            1 January 2022 16: 49
            I don't know who is who, but I would definitely not want to sit in the same trench with feminists, blacks, transgender people and other LGBT people ... belay These will fight them, uh-huh .. wassat
            1. +14
              1 January 2022 18: 49
              Strictly speaking, in our case, we may have to sit “in the same trench with the feminists”. You have probably seen articles on the spaces of this edition about how women were allowed to study as military pilots. It was most likely not allowed from a wide heart - we understand perfectly how poor our demographic base is. In the Second World War, women were mobilized for the sanitary battalion and for the ZA, so there is a precedent. Since in the US the army is now exclusively contractual (and much more bureaucratized than ours), feminists and TGs often quite come to the court for themselves in various bureaucratic stores, where they will be much less demanding than muscularists. Of course, they have the opportunity to crawl with a rifle - what percentage of those who want to use this really, alas, is hidden from us by statistics. Formally, yes, he is a military man everywhere. In fact, this has nuances. The same UAV operator - in general, whether he sneezes is gay or not gay - his bird was shot down, he sipped tea, wrote a report, the next one. Decide for such an employee is not the qualities that we still praise as super-soldier. In this category, NATO still holds the "classics" on an overwhelming scale.
              Also, do not entertain yourself with illusions - yes, there will most likely not be a Negro in your trench, but given both the multinational composition of our state, and the very ... hmm ... specific policy of distributing citizenship, it is highly likely that it will turn out to be religiously and ethnically alien to you national man. In all honesty - we are ALL PERFECT with interethnic policy within the country? :)
              For a long time I saw statistics on the internet, which showed that within fairly narrow statistical limits,% of homosexuals in all countries of the world are approximately the same. It's just that in an environment where it is condemned they are latent, in environments where it is encouraged they do not hide. Perhaps Uasya will be in the same trench with you "for this part", but you hardly know about it - one way or another, this knowledge would not have affected the actual combat capability. Do not think that I have a good attitude towards tolerance of all kinds - I am just making it clear.
              1. -7
                2 January 2022 01: 19
                The same UAV operator - in general, whether he sneezes is he gay or not gay
                Actually, I really don't even sneeze. As operators of percussion, and especially promising fighter UAVs, gays are very much inferior to straight people, in terms of psycho-physical parameters. Yes, no one argues, as an exception, there can be single talents. But this only confirms the general rule. There is more chances to make a chargening non-gee in a tank than the operator of the shock UBL.
                1. Aag
                  +1
                  3 January 2022 16: 41
                  Quote: Rusticolus
                  The same UAV operator - in general, whether he sneezes is he gay or not gay
                  Actually, I really don't even sneeze. As operators of percussion, and especially promising fighter UAVs, gays are very much inferior to straight people, in terms of psycho-physical parameters. Yes, no one argues, as an exception, there can be single talents. But this only confirms the general rule. There is more chances to make a chargening non-gee in a tank than the operator of the shock UBL.

                  Well, so we will come to the conclusion that the best fighter for, say, starting diesel equipment in a forty-degree frost, with a breeze, is an adherent of sado-masochism)))).
              2. Aag
                +1
                3 January 2022 17: 24
                Quote: Knell Wardenheart
                Strictly speaking, in our case, we may have to sit “in the same trench with the feminists”. You have probably seen articles on the spaces of this edition about how women were allowed to study as military pilots. It was most likely not allowed from a wide heart - we understand perfectly how poor our demographic base is. In the Second World War, women were mobilized for the sanitary battalion and for the ZA, so there is a precedent. Since in the US the army is now exclusively contractual (and much more bureaucratized than ours), feminists and TGs often quite come to the court for themselves in various bureaucratic stores, where they will be much less demanding than muscularists. Of course, they have the opportunity to crawl with a rifle - what percentage of those who want to use this really, alas, is hidden from us by statistics. Formally, yes, he is a military man everywhere. In fact, this has nuances. The same UAV operator - in general, whether he sneezes is gay or not gay - his bird was shot down, he sipped tea, wrote a report, the next one. Decide for such an employee is not the qualities that we still praise as super-soldier. In this category, NATO still holds the "classics" on an overwhelming scale.
                Also, do not entertain yourself with illusions - yes, there will most likely not be a Negro in your trench, but given both the multinational composition of our state, and the very ... hmm ... specific policy of distributing citizenship, it is highly likely that it will turn out to be religiously and ethnically alien to you national man. In all honesty - we are ALL PERFECT with interethnic policy within the country? :)
                For a long time I saw statistics on the internet, which showed that within fairly narrow statistical limits,% of homosexuals in all countries of the world are approximately the same. It's just that in an environment where it is condemned they are latent, in environments where it is encouraged they do not hide. Perhaps Uasya will be in the same trench with you "for this part", but you hardly know about it - one way or another, this knowledge would not have affected the actual combat capability. Do not think that I have a good attitude towards tolerance of all kinds - I am just making it clear.

                Another great comment. hi
                And here: "... women were allowed to study for military pilots. This was most likely not from a wide heart ..." I can give some disappointing explanations.
                At about the same time, one of the former colleagues after graduating from the academy was in the position of the beginning. course in one of the Higher Educational Institutions. I called all my acquaintances in search of girls who were willing, suitable, at least for health reasons, for admission to the Higher Educational Establishment. It was necessary to recruit the required amount for the formation of the course, -... I attached my daughter, having interested the command of the school (the details are not known, but those, it seems, had their own relatives).
                For a long time I could not believe in such a sur VVUZ education ... A year later the scenario was repeated in another VUZ ... (((
          2. +15
            2 January 2022 04: 14
            Quote: lucul
            The bottom line is that Russia is a man, and world Zionism is a woman who is trying to subjugate a man by all means.
            A man, as a rule, suffers for a long time, and then explodes. So this time, Russia hit the table with its fist ...

            It is clear from your comments that you have very serious difficulties in dealing with women. And please, do not dishonor Russians with such statements, you are not a citizen of the Russian Federation. No.
        2. +12
          1 January 2022 16: 37
          then in this indirect struggle we regularly lose territory

          You know - despite my pro-communist and pro-Soviet views - I sometimes think that maybe it's not so bad that the Union collapsed? For further feeding such a number of freeloaders - the Russian core seemed to be simply unable to. And what they are worth by themselves - we clearly see after 30 years. It’s also impossible not to feed them - because they basically don’t want to live on their own, and they can’t .. That’s the same Poland - how much has the European Union pumped into it? Hundreds of billions! Would we pull such happiness? Oh, I doubt it .. And if so - until, as always, at the expense of indigenous Russia .. There are no useful resources on our former western outskirts, but they eat a lot and ambition above the rooftop .. And even fiercely despised us for the fact that we - they were fed ...

          It used to be in the pre-missile and pre-atomic epochs - the pre-field was of strategic importance, but now? We will have time to get out of Siberia by any means, until at least ..
          1. -9
            1 January 2022 18: 16
            And why did you decide that the USSR fed them? The socialist countries supplied goods to the USSR that the USSR itself did not produce or produced worse, for example.
            1. +16
              1 January 2022 19: 59
              Uh-huh .. I didn’t produce it - precisely because I opened the market for social. Countries. Who supplied us at exorbitant prices with goods that could not gore to the West, and in return - received fuels and lubricants and raw materials at penny prices .. And equipment .. Where are all the famous prosperous enterprises of that time? All sorts of Icarus, Robotrons, Globes, RAFs, etc. and so on?
          2. +9
            1 January 2022 19: 08
            As for the loss of spheres of influence, I agree on something, how we organized everything in our economy really pulled resources from us. Potentially, we COULD organize everything profitably for ourselves and with success for the construction. By analogy with how the relationship between the American defense industry and science now looks with external NATO members and how it all works together. And the complex is - Polish tanks on Polish territory, and Poland itself in the arms of American capital and political line. Well, as an example.
            By the way, I recently read about the Polish economy - they have quite a good economy, and there is production in the agricultural sector and the chemical industry. But, of course, for the EU, Poland is a rather unpleasant member, because Poland is not the West and not even the center, firstly, secondly, Poland's regional role is higher than its actual role in the EU, and finally, Poland has, let's say, "its own vision", which is somewhat inconsistent with the EU vision. I mean the ineradicable proto-imperial manners with the "Intermarium" and the confederations. So the EU has to keep Poland closer to the body according to the old formula - keep friends close and enemies even closer. Of course, this approach implies a loss, but taking into account all the factors, this is a profit (as an analogy, we can cite considerations from which we do not let go of the Caucasus).
            Honestly, I sometimes glance at little Japan or (God forgive me!) North Korea, South Korea - and I see how a very small state territorially COULD, as they say. Each of these countries is smaller than many of our regions. And what are the opportunities .. If only every region would be like South Korea!) Then we would have healed, as they say .. However, here I understand that the world is full of countries the size of South Korea - but not all of them live well :-) Consequently, the key here is the creation of an effective state system and laws, well, and the second important factor, yes, probably, the national-cultural one. Well, we love to talk about how cool-epic we are, in this case it is a great reason to show it to the whole world. But no, we are not showing. Not on a national scale, or in any particular regions. Hence, most likely - laws and governance. If everything really comes down to this, then in general there is no difference between mononets or a patchwork quilt - everything depends on the ABILITY and scale of state administrators, on the adequacy of their plan, on the ingenious efficiency of their legislation.
            1. +6
              2 January 2022 13: 51
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              1. +2
                2 January 2022 14: 12
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                РЎ "отстреR" РёРІР ° нием "РїСЂРѕР ± Р" РµРјС ‹С‚.Рє РїРѕР" СѓС ‡ Р ° етСС СЏРґСЂРµРР ° СЏ СЂРІРРРРІРёРІРё РІРІРРР РтР° РєРёР№ гордиев РєР »СѓР ± РѕРє) ПропитР° РЅРЅС‹ Рµ РєРѕСЂСЂСРїС † ией РРР ±Риев РР »РѕР ± Р ± РёЅРРРїРР ± Р ± РёЅРРјРРР ± Р ± РёґРРјРРїР ± Р ± РёґР ·РјР ± СЏ ", остР° РІР" СЏСЏ РІ РЅРёС… РјР ° СЃСЃСѓ Р "Р ° Р · еек. RџRѕ SЌS,RoRј P · P ° ° RєRѕRЅR Rј RoRј RјRЅRѕRіRѕRμ SЃS ... RѕRґRoS, SЃ SЂSѓRє Ryo SЌS,Ro R¶Rμ P · P ° RєRѕRЅS <SЃRѕR · RґR ° SЋS, RoRґRμR ° F "SЊRЅSѓSЋ SЃSЂRμRґSѓ RґR" SЏ RІRѕSЃRїSЂRѕRoR · RІRѕRґSЃS ‚РІР ° тР° РєРёС… РєР ° тегорий Р» юдей. РЎСЂРµRґR ° РІРёР · Р ° РЅС‚РёР№С ‰ РёРЅС ‹РѕР ± ъективно СЃРїРѕСЃРѕР ± ствует СЌСРѕРС ° РѕРСРСРСРСРРРРРѕРСРСРСРРСРРРРѕРРСРСРРРРРРРРРРРРРѕРРР Р ° СЃРјРµРЅСЏСЋС ‚РґСЂСѓРіРёРµ. P'P ° RЅR ° F "SЊRЅS <Rј RІS <RїR ° F" C <RІR ° RЅRoRμRј RјS <RјRѕR¶RμRј RЅRμSЃRєRѕR "SЊRєRѕ SЂRμRіSѓR" RoSЂRѕRІR ° S,SЊ SЌS,Rѕ, RЅRѕ RЅRμ SЂRμS € RoRј RїSЂRѕR ± P " ему. Р РµС € ение РїСЂРѕР ± Р »РµРјС‹ - это РїСЂРѕСЂР ° Р ± откР° Р ° деквР° С‚РЅС ‹С… Рё РїСЂРѕРѕРСРР ° СРѕР РІРѕРѕРСРР ° СРѕР РІРѕРѕРСРР ° СРѕРРРІРѕРѕРСРјР ° СРѕРЅ РІРРІРѕРІРѕРѕРРѕРѕРЅРРРРѕРѕРРѕРѕРЅР "СЊРЅРѕР№, С‚С ‰ Р ° теР" СЊРЅРѕ отоР± СЂР ° РЅРЅРѕР№ СЃСЂРµRґRµ Р "юдей, РјР ° РєСЃРёРР ° Р" СЊРЅРѕ РРёР † РРРѕ РРёР † Р "РѕР ± Р ± РёР · РјР °, РєРѕСЂСРїС † РёРё, РёСЃРєР ° жеRЅRЅС‹ С… РїРѕР "РёС‚РёС ‡ еских предСРеР° вредСРеР° вредСРеР° РІРедРРР ° РІРµРРЅС‹ С ...
        3. +7
          1 January 2022 18: 21
          About offensive wars you turned down. They smashed a variety of opponents with strong armies, for example, a victory in an offensive war over Sweden, which had the 5th largest army in Europe, defeated Frederick the Great also in an offensive war, Suvorov's campaign against the French was brilliant, and the enemy was strong. You cannot collect such vast territories as in Russia in defensive wars.
        4. +3
          1 January 2022 18: 50
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          After all, we have not been very successful in offensive wars in our history. Yes, we pinched the Turks, pinched the Chinese or, for example, the Poles - but everything else, exactly in the configuration when WE are the strategically attacking side - we pinched pretty thin

          Yeah. Perhaps for this reason, we passed all of Europe in 1812-1814 and took Berlin in 1945, being exclusively on the defensive?
          I understand that the sect of believers in the power of the West and NATO is not friends with history, but damn it, not so much request
          1. +1
            1 January 2022 20: 26
            Are you friends with history yourself? That before 1813-1814 there was 1812 and Moscow was burnt down, but before 1945 it was 1941, don't you remember?
            1. +1
              1 January 2022 21: 09
              Quote: Sergey Gusak
              Are you friends with history yourself? That before 1813-1814 there was 1812 and Moscow was burnt down, but before 1945 it was 1941, don't you remember?

              So the results of the war are generally judged by the end, and not by the beginning.
              1. +6
                1 January 2022 21: 19
                Well then, according to your logic, Napoleon and Hitler fought defensive wars.
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                  1 January 2022 21: 37
                  Quote: Sergey Gusak
                  Well then, according to your logic, Napoleon and Hitler fought defensive wars.
                  This is your logic.
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              3 January 2022 18: 23
              By the way, Moscow was not the capital of the Russian Empire at that time, but Paris, which was taken by Russian troops, was the capital of France. There is a good saying in England: "England can lose all battles except the decisive one." And the decisive battles near Moscow, Stalingrad, Kursk, Bagration, Balaton, the crossing of the Oder, Berlin were behind us. By the way, Turkey was not only "pinched", but the Crimea was returned to itself, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia, Moldavia were liberated from the Turks (it was then called Wallachia). The Russian Empire won twelve of the thirteen Russo-Turkish wars. Thanks to the victories of Russian weapons, Norway, Latvia, Estonia and Finland appeared on the world maps. A shameful spot against this background was the defeat in the Russo-Japanese war, but it was washed away in 1945 - they returned to themselves Sakhalin, (Port Arthur and Dalny, which Khrushchev later donated to China).
              I would not dare to consider the Crimean war a 100% defeat either. The Allies managed to take not even the whole Crimea, but only a part of Sevastopol. Yes, Russia has sunk its OLD sailing fleet. But after diplomatic victories, Gorchakova regained Sevastopol and built the newest-steam armored fleet.
          2. +5
            1 January 2022 20: 39
            Yeah. Perhaps for this reason, we passed all of Europe in 1812-1814 and took Berlin in 1945, being exclusively on the defensive?
            I understand that the sect of believers in the power of the West and NATO is not friends with history, but damn it, not so much

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            RљRѕRіRґR ° RІS <RЅR ° SЃRІRѕRμR№, RѕRіSЂRѕRјRЅRѕR№ S,RμSЂSЂRoS,RѕSЂRoRo SЂR ° SЃS,SЏRіRoRІR ° RμS,Rμ, RoSЃS,RѕS ‰ ° F RμS,Rμ Ryo RїRμSЂRμRјR ° F "C <RІR ° RμS,Rμ SѓSЃS,SѓRїR ° СЋС ‰ РёР№ РґРµРјРїРѕС‚РµРЅС † РёР ° Р »РїСЂРѕС‚РёРІРЅРёРєР ° РїР ° СЂР ° Р» Р »РµR» СЊРЅРѕ СЃ этим РЅР ° РРРРР РР ° СЂРРРРР РР ° СЂРР ° С Р ° РєС‚РёС ‡ еские компетеRЅS † РёРё - С ‡ тоР± С ‹РїРѕС‚РѕРј пойти Р · Р ° РЅРС РІ Р» РѕРіРѕРѕРРІРѕ РІРРіРѕРІРСРІР РІРРѕРѕРСРІР ‹С… Р ° СЋС ‰ СѓСЋ С‚СѓС € Сѓ, это РѕРґРЅРѕ. РљРѕРіРґР ° Р'Р “РїСЂРёС… одите РЎР'РћР • Р ™ РЎР'Р • Р – Р • Р ™ РђР РњР Р • Р ™ РЅР ° территои РёС‚ РїСЂРРѕРРРѕРёР‚ РїСРєРѕРР РЎР'Р • Р – Р • Р ™ РР РњР Р, Рє Р • Р “Рћ СЌРєРѕРЅРѕРјРёРєРµ Рё демогрР° С„ РёРё, Рё РћРќ РЅР ° С ‡ РёРЅР ° РР РЅР ° С ‡ РёРЅР ° РР РЅР ° С ‡ РёРЅР ° РРРРїРµ РІРР ° РРРµРРµ РІРР ° РРРїРµ Р РІРРЅРѕРјРёРєРµ ° СЃ РІ РѕР ± РѕСЂРѕРЅРµ, Р ° РІС ‹РЅРµ СѓСЃС‚СРїР ° ете РµRјSѓ Рё РєР» Р ° дете РЅР ° Р »РѕРїР ° СРѕРё - РІРѕРµР. R "R" CЏ S‚RµS… PєS‚Rs PЅRµ PIRёRґRёS ‚СЂR ° R Р 'РґР ° РЅРЅС ‹Р№ момент РЅР ° Рј истоЂРёС ‡ ески РЅР ° РІСЏР · С ‹РІР ° СЋС‚ тР° РєСС РєЂРРРРРРСРРРРРРРСРРРРРРРСРРРРРРРСРРРРРРРСРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРРР РєРРРР РР ° Рј РёСЃС‚РѕРёС ‡ ески РЅР ° РІСЏР R'R “RќRЈR – R” RђRўR¬ RЅR ° CЃ R ”R • R ™ RЎRўR'RћR'RђRўR¬, P ° RЅRµ R¶RґR ° ть РѕС ‡ ередноого РРРРґРРѕРіРѕ РРР ° РїРѕРРРѕРѕРѕР ° РїРѕРРРРѕРѕЃР ° РїРѕРРµРРѕ РІРР ° РїРѕРРµ РІРѕРѕЃР ° РїРѕРееееоо Р'РѕС ‚СЏ СѓРєР ° Р · С‹ РІР ° СЋ РЅР ° то, С ‡ то Р ± РµR ° РЅР ° С € ей С‚РµС “итоиии РјС‹ РЅРµ РѕСЃРѕР ± Рѕ РєР »Р ° СЃСЃРЅС‹ Рµ РІРѕСЏРєРё то, историСРРё РёРё. Р РЅРµ СЃС‚РѕРёС ‚тут РёСЃРїС ‹С‚С‹ РІР ° ть РѕСЃРѕР ± С ‹С… РёР» Р »СЋР · РёР№ - достР° С‚РѕС ‡ РЅЂРѕ С € РѕС RІSЃRїRѕRјRЅRoS,SЊ P> RoRІRѕRЅSЃRєSѓSЋ RІRѕR№RЅSѓ, RЅR ° C € Ryo RїRѕS,SѓRіRo RїRѕR ± RoS,SЊ RќR ° RїRѕR "PI RμRѕRЅR ° RїRμSЂRІRѕR№ RμRІSЂRѕRїRμR№SЃRєRѕR№ RєRѕR ° F» † Roes RoRo, P-SѓSЃSЃRєRѕ RЇRїRѕRЅSЃRєSѓSЋ RІRѕR№ РЅСѓ, Первую РјРёСЂРѕРІСѓСЋ РІРѕР№РЅСѓ ту же.
            1. +1
              1 January 2022 21: 36
              Quote: Knell Wardenheart
              РЇ РїСЂR ° РІРѕ РЅРµ Р · РЅР ° СЋ РєР ° РєРёРµ РµС ‰ Рµ РІС ‹СЂР ° жеRЅРёСЏ РЅР ° РґРѕ РёСЃРїРѕР» СЊР РЅР ° ступР° теR »СЊРЅС‹ Рµ РІРѕР№РЅС ‹", С З С‚РѕР ± С ‹РѕС‚РґРµР" СЊРЅС ‹Рµ РіСЂР ° ждР° РЅРµ СѓР» РѕРІРРР »РѕРІРРР" РѕРІРРР " этого.
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              And I really don't know how to convey to you the idea that the tactics and strategy of modern warfare have gone very far from 1812 and 1941, where you are hopelessly stuck. At the initial stage, there will be no tank armadas and fronts, with hand-to-hand combat. There will be a methodical and systematic extermination of troop concentrations, equipment, airfields, fuel and lubricants depots and artillery equipment, power generating facilities, bridges, junction railway stations and decision-making centers. For this, you do not need to bring in troops. Only one single wire will remain intact, so that one of the ukrohuntik would be able to call and admit defeat. Mattresses and Europeans will not die for some kind of ghostly integrity and unity of Ukraine, which does not exist in nature. At the same time, what is important, no one is going to take this degraded territory for restoration. Let them plow and work 24 hours a day. Are you hoping for some kind of partisan action that will shoot at the backs of Russian soldiers on the territory of the Square? Yes nafig they are needed, the local population will strangle them on their own in most of Ukraine, with the exception of a few regions and farmsteads, which let them continue to wallow in their shit.
        5. -1
          2 January 2022 06: 49
          Quote: Knell Wardenheart
          Nonetheless, NATO has two advantages

          The dense population of NATO countries negates all its advantages ... and there will be nowhere to run ...
          1. +4
            2 January 2022 06: 55
            Quote: yuriy55
            And there will be nowhere to run ...

            Vadik two hundred and seventh has already dug the basement ...
      2. -4
        1 January 2022 17: 11
        Just do not forget what and how much the Americans put in the warring USSR in the Second World War. Take away this breakthrough of positions and we would have butted with the Germans for much longer, or maybe we would have agreed on peace due to the depletion of mutual resources.
        1. +5
          1 January 2022 17: 17
          Well, if the Americans and the rest of the bourgeoisie did not help Aloizievich both before and during the war, they might not have been butting for so long ..
          Let's say an interesting question - modern industry is unthinkable without diamond tools. No tungsten carbide can completely replace them. Synthetics - then they did not know how to make, so where did the German industry get technical diamonds during the entire war?
          1. +2
            1 January 2022 20: 32
            Тех РЅРёС ‡ еские Р ° Р »РјР ° Р · С‹ это топ! РЇ СЃР ° Рј РЅРµ тех РЅРѕР »РѕРі РїСЂРѕРјС‹ С € Р »РµРЅРЅРѕСти (РЅРѕ С ‡ то-то РєР ° РєРёРµ-СЊРѕ СЃРѕРРР» РРѕРРРЅ РїСЂРё С ‡ С'Рј С‚СѓС ‚СЃРѕРІСЂРµRјRµRЅRЅR ° СЏ РїСЂРѕРјС‹ С € Р »РµРЅРЅРѕСЃСС Рё Р'тооРСС Рё Р'торР° СЏ РјРёСЂЏРѕРІР ° СЏ РјРёСЂЏРѕРІР ° СЏ РРёСЂЏРѕРІР ° С P — R ° C € S'R »PЅR ° P'RёRєRyo, C ‡ PёСЃС‚Рѕ поинтересовР° ться Рё РѕРєР ° Р С‹ РІР ° етССЏ
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            1. +2
              2 January 2022 10: 05
              Can't you grasp the difference between technical and synthetic?
          2. +1
            2 January 2022 07: 50
            And that in Africa there is no one to trade and trade through neutrals and left-wing schemes have not yet been invented?
            1. +2
              2 January 2022 10: 19
              If you consider that all of Africa was then under small-brittle - then yes, of course they have nothing to do with it ..
      3. +1
        1 January 2022 17: 17
        Better to exaggerate the possibilities than to bleed. Well, you need to know well the moral and psychological state of our armed forces and how they are armed.
    2. -6
      1 January 2022 16: 46
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart

      So at the moment I would be careful not to bury NATO.
      If you beware of your mother-in-law, then there will be no children. laughing
    3. +9
      1 January 2022 20: 19
      there is still no union of the Russian Federation and the PRC

      And it will not be. The PRC will not go into open confrontation with the United States for the sake of the interests of the Russian Federation. They can say whatever they want. But to do ... They will do what is beneficial for them in one person.
      1. -2
        1 January 2022 20: 42
        Quote: Serge-667
        there is still no union of the Russian Federation and the PRC

        And it will not be. The PRC will not go into open confrontation with the United States for the sake of the interests of the Russian Federation. They can say whatever they want. But to do ... They will do what is beneficial for them in one person.

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        1. 0
          1 January 2022 21: 15
          ... that the USSR, two years earlier, who was sharing Poland with the GG, would be a part of the Allies

          I did not quite understand the idea.
          Can I be more expanded?
          1. 0
            2 January 2022 11: 57
            There is nowhere in more detail - back in 1940 Churchill, the military elite of the WB and France were quite seriously developing a plan for bombing the Baku oil fields if the USSR became an ally of Hitler's Germany in a future war.
            Вот статья об этой операции : https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9E%D0%BF%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%B0%D1%86%D0%B8%D1%8F_Pike
            The USSR was viewed by their political and diplomatic circles more as a potential ally of Hitler than as a possible ally of their countries in a future war against him. The USSR, with its foreign policy and rhetoric towards Western capital states, seemed to confirm these suspicions. Just a year after the fall of France, these views have changed dramatically!
            1. +6
              2 January 2022 13: 18
              РќСѓ, СЏ Р ± С ‹РЅРµ СЃРєР ° Р · Р ° Р», С З С‚Рѕ РІР · РіР »СЏРґС‹ РєР ° СЂRґRёRЅR ° Р »СЊРЅРѕ поменСР» РёСЃСЊ. РџР "Р ° РЅС‹ РЎРѕСЋР · РЅРёРєРѕРІ Р ± С ‹Р" Рё Р ° Р ± СЃРѕР "ютно РёРґРµРЅС‚РёС ‡ РЅС‹ РїР "Р ° РЅР ° Рј Р" итР° С РµСР "РµС 'РІ "РјР ° Р№РЅ РєР ° РјРїС„ "РѕР · РІСѓС ‡ енны Рј, Р · Р ° РґР ° РІРёС‚С РЎРЎРЎР. Просто РЅР ° С ‡ Р ° РІ РsгреР± Р ° ть РѕС ‚Р" итР"ерР°, Сѓ Р§РµСЂС ‡ РёР» СЏ уже РЅРµ Р ± С ‹Р» Рѕ РІСРµ ± РѕСЂР °, Р ° РєРѕРіРґР ° стР° Р »Рѕ СЏСЃРЅРѕ, С ‡ то Р'Р» РёС † РєСЂРёРіР ° РЅРµ Р ± СѓРґРµС ‚, Р ° СтР° Р» РёРёРЅ РјРС РІСЃСЋ Р • РІСЂРѕРїС РѕСЃРІРѕР ± РѕРґРёС‚С, тР° Рє РѕРЅРё РІРѕРѕР ± С ‰ Рµ СЂР ° сстроились.
              Р 'РєР ° РєРѕРј тР° Рј РіРѕРґСѓ РїR »Р ° РЅРёСЂРѕРІР ° Р» Р ° СЃСЊ первР° СЏ Р ° томнР° СЏ Р ± РѕРјР ± Р ° С ° РРРЀРРэто "СЃРѕСЋР · РЅРёС ‡ РєРё" ...
            2. +1
              3 January 2022 18: 41
              "There is nowhere in more detail - back in 1940 Churchill, the military elite of the WB and France were quite seriously developing a plan to bomb the Baku oil fields in case the USSR became an ally of Hitler's Germany in a future war."
              I completely agree with the first part of this phrase, but with the second ... England and France surrendered Czechoslovakia in Munich in 1938, Poland surrendered in September 1939, England surrendered France, Belgium, Denmark, Holland, Norway in 1940. Until the end of August 1939, the USSR negotiated with Britain and France to create an anti-Hitler coalition. So the USSR was not an ally of Germany. And the USSR signed a non-aggression pact with Germany as the last one after France, England, Poland, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia ... And a non-aggression pact is far from a military alliance treaty.
              1. +1
                3 January 2022 19: 08
                I listed the fact of the relationship, you can endlessly go into the jungle of parsing who started it. From my personal point of view - at the root of the case, the USSR was to blame for the shitty attitude of Western states towards it. Under the Republic of Ingushetia there was some kind of European policy, with our allies and opponents, after the Revolution we stupidly dumped all the bourgeoisie into one fetid heap and began to shout that we would ruin them all, like a madman. We even tried to pull it off - like Ivan Dulin, now at the door, now at the window. It goes without saying that this did not add sympathy to anyone, and even when we calmed down a little and proclaimed the construction of "socialism in one taken country", the bourgeois did not really believe us, because we had a habit of lying regularly and outrageously, the general quality of our diplomats , it was rather low, and their succession with the subsequent "disappearance" of kakbe hinted that words are words, and deeds are deeds. The West saw how the USSR was militarizing, it interpreted it in accordance with the image that the USSR helped itself to form outside. That is, with a generally hostile position.
                Strictly speaking, what we did with the BB1 ​​allies, it was not cake either. Indeed, in fact, from a legal point of view, we threw them, went to separate negotiations. But that’s if we go completely into the jungle of facts ..
                All this I stated not for a verdict in the style of "The USSR was to blame!" - these are just points that were undoubtedly taken into account by the West in relation to forecasting concerning the USSR. The West had an idea of ​​our interactions with the Germans bypassing Versailles. Our support for the revival of German militarism. They themselves helped him, by the way. But even this moment probably figured in their constructions regarding the vector of the policy of the USSR-Germany. If Adolf Aloizovich had not appeared on the stage of history, we would not have had the worst relations with the Germans. Considering a solid% of supporting social ideas in Germany itself. So our contacts with the Germans figured in their constructions at different levels, our regime seemed to them unpredictable and odious, and given that (after our withdrawal from the WW1 victorious states) the post-war European security architecture was on the shoulders of Great Britain-France, they are quite logical viewed us as a potential troublemaker of this architecture (at least after the unsuccessful Polish campaign) and saw us in the same bloc with the Germans, as other interested parties for a redistribution.
                The strategy of the Western states in relation to the appeasement of Hitler, I generally do not understand well. On the fingers, everything turns out to be illogical - in the country of paying reparations and with the collapsed Armed Forces, a chelik comes to power with all his hands not only not to pay, but also to muddy the water in the swamp around. The victorious powers have solid forces on the border, with which they can, as they say, restore the status quo. Virtually no damage. But they do not do this, with some special, stubborn ecstasy, looking at how an armed hemorrhoid is ripening right next to them, threatening to knock their entire architecture of European power and balance on their shoulder blades again. Moreover, I will note that it was a traditional enemy, the memories of the recent massacre were still fresh. So I still do not understand this line of their actions, the explanation is possible only in the field of mass psychology. When the adherents of the "Witnesses of the USSR" begin to rub in some kind of heresy about the fact that the West directed and deliberately nurtured Hitler to go to the East - this is utter, wildest nonsense. According to the same logic, the West itself grew the USSR, selling it technologies and enterprises, buying its grain (despite the fact that they themselves had a lot of zhraniny in the colonies), letting specialists go to work and, as the apogee, accepting it into the League of Nations. Where is the logic ? But there is no her))
                1. -1
                  4 January 2022 15: 24
                  “Strictly speaking, what we did with the BB1 ​​allies was not cake either. After all, in fact, from a legal point of view, we threw them, went to separate negotiations.
                  It is still necessary to figure out who threw whom. In 1914, Russia sacrificed Samsonov's guards army to save Paris. And when Russia asked the United States to sell her weapons, she received an answer - we do not have so many weapons factories, let us have money for their construction, we will give them weapons in a year. Russia transferred money in October 1914. I received the weapon only ... in December 1916! Russia asked France to sell her weapons, with this mission went to France, the inventor of the world's first machine gun and automatic rifle, V.G. Fedorov, and the intelligence colonel of the General Staff, Aladin. , no tanks produced), warehouses are bursting with shells and cartridges. But ... France refused to supply arms to Russia! But then in the Russian Army there was a shell and rifle famine! But after the February Revolution and before the October Revolution, weapons for the future civil war were found! And even France, England and the United States sold tanks to the White Guards in 10-15. From these warehouses in the Arkhangelsk region, at the beginning of the Great Patriotic War, the militia was armed. There were rifles, light and heavy machine guns, cannons, armored cars, snowmobiles, ammunition! So who threw who? How many times did the French attack Russia? In 1918 and 1920. Yes, Suvorov beat them earlier, but on the territory of Italy, not France! Napoleon carried freedom to Europe on the tips of bayonets (what you and your ilk are accusing the Bolsheviks of). How many times has Europe incited, financed and armed Turkey against Russia? And how did England fan the Basmachism in Central Asia? And even before the October Revolution!
                  "When the adherents of the" Witnesses of the USSR "begin to rub in some kind of heresy about the fact that the West directed and deliberately nurtured Hitler to go to the East - this is utter, wildest nonsense."
                  FD Volkov's book "The Secret Becomes Revealed" is in your hands. It perfectly describes how the United States and England (to the detriment of France) not only forgave Versailles Germany for non-payment of reparations (Hoover's moratorium in 1924), but also gave loans. From 1924 to 1931 Germany received 25 billion marks, of which about half was provided by the bankers of Wall Street, much of the City of London. The West allowed Hitler in 1934 to return the Rhineland WITHOUT A SINGLE SHOT. The USA already during the Second World War supplied the Germans with latex, molybdenum, nickel, oil through Portugal ...
                  "From my personal point of view - at the root of the case, the USSR was to blame for the shitty attitude of Western states towards it."
                  In general, I have already heard such a theory that the victim of a bandit attack is to blame for provoking the attack on himself by his weakness.
                  By the way, you did not cover the question I raised about the delays of Britain and France in the creation of the anti-Hitler coalition. But had it been created, the Second World War would not have existed at all!
                  No, the West specially honed Germany against the USSR as a spearhead. They wanted to weaken both Hitler and the USSR, and then finish off the weakened winner. (Churchill's failed plan "The Unthinkable"). But Stalin and the USSR did not give them such a chance.
                  1. -1
                    4 January 2022 17: 15
                    The RI General Staff knew perfectly well the capabilities of the Germans and German factories, the armament of the German army, they knew about their weaknesses - the Russo-Japanese War and the Revolution of 1905 showed this well. But we still got into the war, moreover, the development of the pre-war situation shows that we were much more in a hurry to get into it than the West, being much less ready.
                    Here you write how the French squeezed their weapons - the French had no other choice. There was a very busy and crowded front, in the same battle at Verdun there were more than a million people on each side. With such a density of concentration of forces and the density of railroads and art, an oversaturation of the defense with weapons threatened to break through the front, and then the French taxi drivers would have to take the rap again, at best. The number of losses in relation to the population for the same France was a much worse ratio than in the Republic of Ingushetia. So, in my opinion, it is incorrect to blame the besieged and suffering colossal losses for the refusal of supplies. As for the United States, in 1916 the United States was not a participant in BB1, moreover, they were not very keen to participate in it. Large-scale arms deliveries threatened to knock the country out of neutrality - so procrastination and bargaining is, in general, a common practice for such alignments. Here everything is decided by the degree of influence - our degree of influence on the United States was incomparably lower than the degree of influence of the Western states and even Germany. It is incorrect to accuse the United States of non-compliance with any alliance, since we were not allies with the United States, the United States was not a member of the Entente.
                    During the wars, everyone was engaged in donations for the sake of "saving something there" to the best of their ability, such is the alliance .. for example, the same VBshniki tried to turn the Dardanelles operation in order to help us, but it did not work out.
                    After the war, it was damn logical that the West had wagons of more unnecessary weapons! We, too, after BB2 actively tried to attach our T-34s, which had time to fight in Korea and China. The supply of weapons to the White movement is not something unnatural - the White movement was from the representatives of the military environment of the Republic of Ingushetia, including many who had contact with the Western allies during WW1. The position of this stratum of people was understandable to the West, and their victory was generally desirable - in contrast to the Bolsheviks, who went to separate negotiations, called for a world revolution and the overthrow of power in the Entente countries. You see, this does not add sympathy - the supply of weapons to the Reds would be completely illogical! If the Reds were just a party to the conflict in the Civil War, without declaring a line that is destructive for the West, the intervention of the West in the conflict could have been much less, although it would not have been completely absent, because in addition to a clear political line, there are always fuzzy lines, flirting, an economic component etc.
                    The financial line in relation to pre-war Germany is traditionally interpreted in our country as "purposeful nurturing", but in fact we see very good analogies in our time that explain the meaning of these injections. Any banking system is ALWAYS interested in attaching available funds to where the greatest margin in the least time is. That is why, like mushrooms after rain, the economies of the so-called "developing states" are growing - there is a beggar, a population ready to plow for a penny, low social services, cheap construction and generation that is not spoiled for ecology. In pre-war Germany, funds eagerly flowed because the Germans had an undefeated industry and generation, a highly qualified but at the same time Deshman and not demanding labor force. Unlike other European colonial empires, the cost of a German man-hour was negligible - and of course the money flowed there. They would have flowed in the USSR in the same way, if the Bolsheviks were not such scumbags and incompetent financiers. However, as I have already noted, where it was possible to conclude a profitable deal, it was also concluded with the USSR, which kakbe contradicts the mythical line of "strangling the Soviet state." Modern patents in the USSR were eager to sell because the Soviet government was outrageous - we laid waste to patent law, we would have been bribed smoothly in case of an urgent need to sue. For any capitalist, these were risks - in Germany, for example, they were not, the Germans knew how to do business, no one there shot intelligent lawyers and economists at the GW.
                    Don't you like the idea that we ourselves were to blame? Here is the line of the 20th century - without burial in the time of the Tsar of the Peas. We had an alliance with England-France? Was. If they were our enemies, would we have an alliance? I do not think. So let's not turn it upside down - we had quite a trusting relationship, as far as possible in diplomacy. The Entente did not appear suddenly, like a pimple on F, the prerequisites and agreements have been going on since the beginning of the 20th century, i.e. it was a LONG-TERM allied line. So your analogy about the "attack of the bandits" is inappropriate here - we had long-term, no allies - whom we arranged a goat with separate negotiations, a blood relative of their monarchs, attempts to inspire revolutions in them, and so on and so forth. Everything is very clear here.
                    I did not notice that you were raising the issue of the AG coalition. However, I would like to note that any pre-war diplomacy with the USSR would run counter to the earlier diplomacy of the West, and this must be understood. Earlier diplomacy was lined up with the initial data that the USSR would try to arrange a revolutionary war in Europe, would facilitate the return of Poland and Finland, would try to inspire a revolution in Germany, etc. It was not the West that came up with it - we ourselves have regularly voiced this since the end of the Civil War. The West was only preparing for this scenario by creating the Sankordon. This does not mean that the West is kind and fluffy - but given the mobilized armies and a huge number of weapons after BB1, the cordon defense line is the best illustration of the desire to isolate itself from the problem (in the form of us), but not to solve it in any way (as opposed to the Soviet a sect that believed that they dreamed of ruining us). It is in the interests of the Sancordon line that the West (as the victorious side of the conflict) is building Europe. architecture - concludes agreements with Poland, promotes the establishment of a joint defense architecture by the Baltic countries, etc. In the early 1930s, it was necessary to break this architecture at the root because the USSR of the "changed vector" type (at the same time intensely militarizing) - and there were some progress in this direction (we were admitted to the League of Nations, trade increased and technology was sold to us). However, there was no understanding of these shifts between Eastern Europe and England-France - the very same Poland fought with the Communists to its fullest and rather one-sidedly perceived all their initiatives. England and France had to take into account a similar point of view (and in general it was not in Poland alone, by the way) - which naturally slowed down the process. To send Polyakov to the forest because the USSR has become cleaner is not a particularly sensible line from the point of view of Western diplomacy. Moreover, the West still distrusted the USSR as an active sponsor of the Comintern. The decrease in funding and attitudes towards the Comintern had a positive effect on improving relations and trust (as well as the fact that we finally stopped extinguishing and abducting representatives of the White Emigration who are in Europe), but all this, in fact, was already happening right next to Munich or even the beginning of WW2. I don’t know if I answered your questions, really, this is not the first discussion at VO on this period for me, and all these moments have long been eaten away by bald head :(
                    1. -1
                      4 January 2022 18: 50
                      That's all. Further it was possible not to read and to talk with you about anything else. After all, the trip of the Russian petitioners fell on the period of the OKOCPNAYA WAR.
                    2. -1
                      4 January 2022 18: 55
                      "Large-scale arms deliveries threatened to knock the country out of neutrality - so procrastination and bargaining is, in general, a common practice for such alignments. Everything is decided by the degree of influence - our degree of influence on the United States was incomparably lower than the degree of influence of Western states and even Germany. "
                      No. Everyone needed to weaken Russia as much as possible in order to tear it apart later. This is the centuries-old dream of the West. But when it got hot that the Bolsheviks might come to power, then the weapon went like a river.
                    3. -1
                      4 January 2022 18: 59
                      "If the Reds were just a party to the conflict in the Civil War, without declaring a line that is destructive for the West, the intervention of the West in the conflict could have been much less,"
                      Again, a gross mistake. It would be the same, only with less losses from the West. The Whites themselves would have given weapons, ammunition, and uniforms to pay off the debts of both the Russian Empire and their own debts.
                    4. -1
                      4 January 2022 19: 11
                      "Th ... that the Soviet government was outrageous - we laid down a stack of patent law, we would have been bribed smoothly in case of urgent need to sue."
                      With the same success they lay down on patent law and now (as they always did) the USA, Japan, China, Great Britain ... After 1 MV, the USA removed from Germany a lot of technologies, mainly chemical-production of dyes. After 2 MV, the Alsos mission went ahead of the American troops - they were looking for technological documentation, scientists, university professors. Wernher von Brauni his Fau-does not tell you about anything? The USA took out the finished copies. The USA has long been producing Kalashnikov assault rifles without a license, the whole world produces LEDs (Losev's glow), the first torpedoes were invented by the Russian scientist Aleksandrovsky, not Whitehead, the radio was invented by the Russian scientist AS Popov, not Marconi, the plane was invented by Mozhaisky, not the Wright brothers, the processor invented by the Soviet scientist Pentkovsky, the caterpillar track was invented by the Russian designer Zagryazhsky. Japan subscribed to Soviet magazines Tekhnika-Youth, Modelist-Constructor, Young Technician, Radio and robbed ideas from there. When the Kuban choir came to France on tour, the French instantly patented women's boots with heels ...
                    5. 0
                      4 January 2022 19: 15
                      "Earlier diplomacy lined up with the initial data that the USSR would try to organize a revolutionary war in Europe, would facilitate the return of Poland and Finland, would try to inspire a revolution in Germany, etc. .."
                      Again you are confusing the sinner with the righteous. Napoleon the First tried to screw up the first world revolution, but it was by force of arms. The USSR did not plan any military invasion (as it is now in Ukraine and the West), because all Western countries had their own Communist Parties. And so that the West would not be spectacular, Stalin liquidated the Third International and changed the USSR anthem from the song International to the Indestructible Union.
                    6. -1
                      4 January 2022 19: 19
                      "Send Polyakov to the forest because the USSR has become more washed-out ..."
                      You need to follow the CONTEMPORARY events. Now, in future negotiations, the West allows sending all three Baltic fascists into the forest in bulk - their ONLY product is Russophobia. And the West can no longer afford it.
      2. -1
        2 January 2022 14: 55
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        1. +3
          2 January 2022 15: 48
          And on what "intersections" was the Warsaw Pact built? Or a NATO bloc?
          No. At the "intersections", in passing, military alliances, especially those with commitments, are not built. They are built on clear and open principles. And they just do not exist between the Russian Federation and China. From the word Absolutely.
    4. -4
      1 January 2022 20: 44
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    5. +1
      3 January 2022 00: 30
      Quote: Knell Wardenheart
      Ukraine was buried here for 7 years

      "Not with us, but with you ..."
      It was clear to Knight from the very beginning that the degree of survival of the former Soviet republics was quite high. Glory to our Fathers and Grandfathers!
      Only an idiot could think that Ukraine would perish in a couple of years.
      But, as it turned out, they are and they are alive, to this day.
      Moreover, they consider us to be the same as them.
  3. -5
    1 January 2022 16: 33
    So, the Ukrainian clown president is starting a database in Donbass. The people of Ukraine, sadly to admit it, for the most part support it. Russia is doing what President Putin promised. The corps of the republics liberate the occupied territories of the Luhansk and Donetsk regions.

    Some NATO countries, according to bilateral agreements, are beginning to actively help Kiev and thus involve NATO in the war. The United States, having no bilateral treaties, is washing its hands.

    A perfectly digestible plan?

    No.
    Again frontal attacks, again only the borders of the LPNR, again help from NATO ...
    But this is nonsense. This is a deliberately losing position on our part.
    They will cut Ukraine off along the western border. That's it, NATO assistance - bye-bye, a no-fly zone throughout Ukraine and tightening the bag (or not delaying, but waiting for surrender, according to the situation).
    And, only then you can bargain with Europe, NATO, Poland, Hungary and Romania. Who else is there for the rotten stuff? In Europe, everyone is happy, the Americans are in flight.
    Yes, I almost forgot, Turkey - to the Greeks, in part (also, NAT, but they will be happy). But this is a little later, but the principle is the same, "do not feed the superfluous."
  4. +1
    1 January 2022 16: 43
    As fighters, NATO members are so-so, but the possibilities for fragmentation of countries and peoples are simply phenomenal.
  5. +18
    1 January 2022 17: 00
    A slightly far-fetched article and rather undeservedly enough, the author belittled the training and combat readiness of the American and NATO armies. It's not a hunt to argue, it's a holiday all the same. Let me just remind you that NATO, besides other countries, includes such countries as Turkey, Great Britain, Italy, Germany, Poland, France, whose armed forces are quite strong and armed. Japan and Israel are US military allies. All their intelligence and technology will be sent to help the United States. And lastly, the author should remember that zombies usually show what ordinary people should see. In order to form in their heads a certain picture of the state of affairs - either how bad everything is, or how good everything is. But not like everything in reality.
    1. +9
      1 January 2022 17: 13
      The author simply does not do any analytics at least from open sources, such as "Foreign Military Review and" Army Collection "and others. Shows what he wants to see.
    2. -8
      1 January 2022 20: 35
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      1. +9
        1 January 2022 21: 03
        Yes its true. And the fact is that these armies and fleets will not act alone. Do not go against Russia alone. They are military allies, sealed by a treaty and long joint service. Common communication channels, common repair and logistics bases, common access to intelligence and analytics data. Practical Shared Resources. And remember, hostilities are not only missile strikes, ground assaults and sea battles, they are also collapses in stocks, currencies, interruptions in electricity, fuel, instant inflation and excitement in their own country, where not everyone is happy with the country's leadership and not everyone is on fire. desire to fight with the West for the interests of gas and oil billionaires
        1. -9
          2 January 2022 07: 22
          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          Common communication channels, common repair and logistics bases,

          I see that you have forgotten the parable of the Tower of Babel ... They are common, but the languages ​​are different ... Hitler also had a lot of people who fought ... We managed ...
          Quote: TatarinSSSR
          it is also the collapse of stocks, currencies, interruptions in electricity, fuel

          Are you talking about gas, oil and electricity? Here, with mutual agreement with the Russian Federation, they almost swelled, and you are broadcasting that confrontation will benefit Europe (NATO)?
          Winter, winter ... Nocturne, Nocturne ...
          1. +2
            2 January 2022 07: 52
            There was no talk about "whether we can handle it or not." It was about ground armies. And in the event of a war (Russian aggression against Ukraine, for example) the West
            unite, and find where to get gas and oil, tighten their belts. It's another matter if the aggression is against Russia, for example, against the Crimea. Then everything is not unambiguous here. A certain part of NATO countries will not rush to war. And such a war will really hit the European economy very, very hard.
            1. -3
              2 January 2022 08: 12
              Quote: TatarinSSSR
              And in the event of a war (Russian aggression against Ukraine, for example), the West will unite, and they will find where to get gas and oil, tighten their belts.

              Firstly. I doubt that Russia's armed clash against Ukraine can be called aggression after fecal torch Nazi procession in Kiev:

              Secondly: all this Western alliance looks good against an "unrequited" enemy: Yugoslavia, Libya, Iraq ... With the first blow to a particularly aggressive member, I assure you, all ardor will disappear, as it was in 1999 during the appearance of a column of Russian paratroopers ... Or, as in 2008, in Georgia ...
              Thirdly. After such participation in hostilities, little will remain of the EU ...
              DOES THIS NEED IT? If they (citizens of European countries) consider Ukrainian citizens as second-class citizens ...
              1. +6
                2 January 2022 09: 51
                I disagree. NATO is by no means all cowardly officers and soldiers. I personally came across it myself and was personally convinced of this. Plus, now politicians in the West are real, and they can pile up such things that they can then disentangle them for generations.
        2. -5
          2 January 2022 10: 35
          Well, yes - the same Poland will certainly make a huge contribution to the collapse of stocks .. As well as military analytics ..

          Alas, all the experience of world wars clearly shows that such allies are basically a burden. Avon Romania - in WWII Russia did not know how to get rid of it, in WWII Germany was already suffering ..
  6. +13
    1 January 2022 17: 21
    A new war, and even with such an adversary as Russia, will lead to a sharp deterioration in the standard of living in the United States. Prices for everything will rise sharply. Starting from products that will be difficult to deliver, and ending with energy resources, which will be redirected to the army.

    Author! belay Do you even imagine what a thermonuclear war is with the use of several thousand special charges, whose total power is capable of returning the biosphere to its embryonic state? am

    Choice of the USA. To be or not to be the NATO alliance. The US decided to play for high stakes. Putting the NATO alliance on the line ...

    Tales from a parallel universe! fool I read the article several times, tried to honestly connect the author's assertions with reality ... request Did not work out! No.
  7. 0
    1 January 2022 17: 56
    Well, they'll rip apart and rip apart, what's the problem? The Hungarians will take theirs, the Poles theirs, Russia theirs. The subject of the dispute will disappear.
    1. 0
      1 January 2022 18: 22
      There will be another. Otherwise, NATO will lose its meaning. Why do they need world peace?
  8. +2
    1 January 2022 18: 27
    We are waiting for January 10, when the two presidents will begin regular negotiations ...
    ... Free interpretation on the topic ... Not how it is, but how it can be.
    In principle, everything is clear that nothing is defined until it is checked.
    The question is, what to expect from them negotiations, which will be ???
    Who can say exactly how ???
  9. -1
    1 January 2022 18: 35
    At stake is the financial influence section. Biden and Putin are pawns here.
  10. +4
    1 January 2022 19: 34
    The explosion of Ukraine will least of all affect America, in contrast to Russia and the countries of Europe.
  11. -4
    1 January 2022 20: 17
    In NATO, not only all sorts of gays, but also chiefs are appointed either by gynecologists or veterinarians. There are fewer and fewer professionals.
    1. +6
      1 January 2022 23: 30
      Well, in Russia LLP everything is different, where the journalist Rogozin is at the head of Roscosmos, and the firefighter Shoigu is the Minister of Defense.
  12. -1
    1 January 2022 22: 08
    Putin will appear the Great only if it turns out that in 2014 Russia
    acquired only a part in order to acquire the whole in 2022. For the whole in 2014, after the victories of the Donbass republics at Ilovaisk and Gorlovka, Russia did not go further, not because the Russian army then could not defeat the Ukrainian army. I didn’t go because Russia could threaten America and NATO who had become for Ukraine either with nuclear weapons or with such weapons, from which NATO could then defend itself. But since no one will create the end of the world with the help of nuclear weapons because of Ukraine, and NATO could defend itself against other Russian weapons in 2014, Putin temporarily postponed this mission of acquiring the whole in 2014. Eight years have passed and during this time Russia has created what the unbelieving West called its public cartoons of Putin. But the US military and intelligence services, not for the public, understood perfectly well that these were not cartoons, but Russian weapons, which America could only have in the future, while Russia already has these weapons and they are already in the troops and on ships. And NATO is now powerless against these weapons of Russia.
    In my opinion, this is precisely why Putin has now presented an ultimatum to America and NATO. It's another matter, but does Russia need all that whole now? Let's say, one more part of the remaining of this whole is a kind of Western Ukraine. But before that would now acquire the whole, Putin and Biden will be offered from this whole a part, which is rotting with fascism and Bandera, to give the hyena of Europe to Poland. Well, how to restore this rest? On the other hand, looking, the Great Catherine did not mean that Novorossiya and Little Russia should be fed by someone. And cities were built there and everyone walked like a line there.
    So will Putin be great for the History of Russia ???
    ps
    Yes, with obvious tendencies that NATO has outlived itself, one can imagine a good face in a bad game, the Germans, the French or the Americans. Here the Americans, with great shame, scrambled from Afghanistan, but they made such a face mine, as if they didn’t put it in their pants. But what kind of face will the same Lithuanians have to make, who, during the collapse of the USSR and upon joining NATO, very much hoped that at the funeral of Russia they would dance a cheerful polka, and the grandson of Landsbergis would become the prince of Smolensk and Ryazan ... ???
  13. +2
    1 January 2022 22: 20
    If Ukraine launches an offensive in Donbass, it will only be on direct orders from Washington. Zelensky and his pack, of course, are bastards, but not suicides.
  14. +3
    1 January 2022 22: 31
    Yes Yes. How the mattresses got stuck in the 90s showed the fight at Hasham.
    The Wagners were crumbled in a non-contact manner.
    At the same time, everyone perfectly understood; that in complicity with the intervention of the Russian Aerospace Forces group in Syria, it would have been the same with them.
    Biden didn’t give up the back one and didn’t give guarantees of not accepting Ukraine to NATO!
    The pumping of weapons into Ukraine will continue.
    And now a question for the author!
    What is the level of support for Russia in areas not controlled by the police of the LPR?
    The same Konstantinovka had in 2014 somewhere under 75-80% for Russia. After a couple of months of the Russian world, at the moment everything is mirrored.
    It is the same with the rest of the regions of Ukraine.
  15. +5
    1 January 2022 23: 28
    Quote: paul3390
    then in this indirect struggle we regularly lose territory

    You know - despite my pro-communist and pro-Soviet views - I sometimes think that maybe it's not so bad that the Union collapsed? For further feeding such a number of freeloaders - the Russian core seemed to be simply unable to. And what they are worth by themselves - we clearly see after 30 years. It’s also impossible not to feed them - because they basically don’t want to live on their own, and they can’t .. That’s the same Poland - how much has the European Union pumped into it? Hundreds of billions! Would we pull such happiness? Oh, I doubt it .. And if so - until, as always, at the expense of indigenous Russia .. There are no useful resources on our former western outskirts, but they eat a lot and ambition above the rooftop .. And even fiercely despised us for the fact that we - they were fed ...

    It used to be in the pre-missile and pre-atomic epochs - the pre-field was of strategic importance, but now? We will have time to get out of Siberia by any means, until at least ..

    You are absolutely right . How many billions the EU has already invested in its members from the countries of the former Warsaw bloc is one thing. And how many debts with interest these countries will have to repay and are already returning, these figures are astronomical, with bondage to children and grandchildren. Already now, not only adults should be there, but their children and children will continue to pay it. And these are not personal debts of citizens, but the debts of these new states, EU members. And in Soviet times, not only the Warsaw Pact countries sat on the neck of Russia and on the neck of the Russians. While I served for three years in Brezhnev's time, when I returned, I did not know where I had returned. In three years, two new settlements on the collective farm, the latest tractors, machines and combines. Although as he left for the service, everyone lived in farms and hay on the collective farm in the haymaking was carried by horses. This is in the Baltics. Just don’t tell me that the same thing happened in three years and anywhere near Bryansk, Kalinin and Tambov, and that a sprat or a radio set is equivalent to oil production, steel smelting and the production of tractors, combines and machines. And all this came from Russia, to all those sitting on the neck of Russia and on the neck of the Russians. Only the Byelorussian SSR did without subsidies ... In the Baltic then
    new buses "Ikarus", and in Russia old "Liaz" and "Lazy" with plywood instead of rear
    glasses ... That's how they settled on the necks of Russia and Russians then ...
  16. -10
    2 January 2022 00: 02
    Everything is sad for NATO. Everything is bad, except for the salaries of NATO officials. If they do not agree with the Russians, they will have in their skies the KR Petrel with a conventional warhead. And this CD will bend around the relief of the Eiffel Tower and the Leaning Tower of Pisa. And you can't knock her down, because a vigorous motor in her tail will make the existence of Brussels and salaries very problematic. And it will bend around the relief of the headquarters of this underblock for a long time, five years will be enough.
  17. +8
    2 January 2022 10: 00
    IMHO, the author describes his thoughts, little related to reality.

    It is with us that the media instill the idea that everyone is sitting there and only thinking about Putin and Ukraine.
    1) Hardly. Most don't care. Everyone has their own complexities. About which our media do not write too much. Or you can just go to the store and look at the rise in prices.

    2) The choice is completely different.
    NATO will not make sharp concessions - this is a loss of face.
    And Ukraine from the speech of the GDP will not become pro-Russian. (Remember 2 wars in Chechnya. Also, Separy, mercenaries, volunteers, and what? Yeltsin let them go?)

    It looks like a regular trade. They named the maximum price, now they will reduce it, negotiate, in any case, both sides will present it as their victory.
  18. +1
    2 January 2022 10: 08
    And I was racking my brains who told the director and wrestlers to draw lines? What were they based on when issuing ultimatums? Now I understand, this is Mr. Staver advised.
    No, I don’t believe it. We don't even have so many hats.
  19. +2
    2 January 2022 10: 12
    Again, an article from the same topics in which the author is trying to develop the theme that the Russian Federation is more ready than ever to repel aggression, but NATO is generally on its way.
    Kaneshno, these are all illusions. NATO is the iron fist of the West, which will grind anything, including the Russian Federation. By the way, the commander-in-chief himself admitted it NATURALLY, having gathered in paradise,
    in which case. The military of the Russian Federation themselves argue (staff officers in intimate conversations) that one cannot resist in a conflict without the use of nuclear weapons of the Russian Federation .... in the widest sense of the word.
    Demonstration of the strength of the Russian Federation in Syria ..... Well, the right word, everything seems to be good except for logistics. Well funny. It is worth blocking logistics, or at least making an attempt and a military operation in Syria
    collapses right there. Regarding the decay of NATO (I will not pull the story of decaying capitalism out of mothballs, but look who is where ... but yelling, then the red propaganda was yelling).
    I can not understand how she dies then .. the topic is not disclosed. The author hints that in the event of a conflict, the vast majority of the rainbow (rear-wheel-drive, transgender, female) composition
    will scatter SAMO, like you just have to shoot in their direction, and if not? In addition, a hint of significant economic difficulties in NATO countries in the event of a conflict, well, here in general
    off target. The FRS, well, the entire Western economy has already set a course for increasing inflation (5-10-20% per year) ... and this is all in a planned manner, it has already been taken into account who goes bankrupt and does not buy themselves food, housing
    and. etc. etc. and the West UNDERSTANDS what to do with them. In addition, at the last talks between the presidents of the United States and the Russian Federation, the United States hinted that there is no winner in a nuclear war. Decrypt this message
    can be done in different ways. In my opinion, NATO has already decided on a conflict, so long as the Russian Federation does not end up firing an atom. What does the Russian Federation answer ?? Well, in general, everything is the same that will find the same sore spots
    from the West and put pressure on them ..... rzhunimagu)))) By the way, the landmark meeting on January 10th will take place without the participation of the presidents of the Russian Federation and the United States. Also wondering ... why don't they want to be around? Yes, probably
    because they will not agree.
    1. +2
      3 January 2022 12: 05
      So, but not so. First, capitalism has rotted, as predicted. Processes in it are not compatible even with the religious dogmas of Catholicism. Of course, it will not fall apart, but it will inevitably transform and degrade, dragging away incompatible elements, such as Elon Musk. This is a new trend among the owners of the cut paper printing press. They have nothing more to wish for. The main enemy was defeated and methodically finished off, dissolving Gaster in the masses. Whatever the usurpers didn’t swagger, didn’t pay off with pitiful handouts, the situation with the titular nation, the one that is up to the Masons' throats, is very deplorable.
      And you are all about the US President who does not want to talk to ours. He does not solve anything globally, even the Congress can do more. Because there are straight lines of controlled puppets, fulfilling the desires of the families who created this insolent Saxon-Jewish world.
      But the USSR could really turn this situation around and eliminate the abscess in the geyrope, having rolled the rollers to the beaches of Portugal, and devastated the damned island. For this he drove tens of thousands of armor, taking away from consumer goods and infrastructure. The elderly leaders did not dare. Our victory over rotten capitalism is rusting in warehouses.
  20. +1
    2 January 2022 12: 30
    Another nonsense. The United States may have problems, but, firstly, they live in problems all their lives, chaos is the norm for them. Just look at their coastline - constant hurricanes, storms, typhoons. You don't even need to remember about BLM and other garbage. Secondly, they have a large margin of safety, much higher than that of any European state. They produce weapons and print money, if there is a need, they will arm and throw prisoners and blacks into battle - how do you like 20-25 millions of perfectly equipped bandyugans and completely absent moral norms? In Europe and Ukraine?
    Never underestimate your opponent.
  21. +2
    2 January 2022 19: 15
    With regard to Syria, the author is absolutely wrong!

    Syria would have been crushed like Libya had it not been for Russian intervention. It was Russia that saved Syria, not the weak combat capability of American troops.

    By the way, on January 10, 2022, negotiations between the delegations of NATO and Russia, and not the presidents of the United States and the Russian Federation, will take place.
    1. -2
      2 January 2022 19: 19
      // Syria would have been defeated like Libya, if not for Russia's intervention //
      For this, the elves made their base to save the Syrians?
      Well, okay, at least my cousin's relatives are Syrians. And what did the Slavs do here, is that a question?
  22. -2
    2 January 2022 21: 56
    Aha, such a spirit, such a spirit, that the receters come right into the treble and shake the most perfumed ones. And where are the officers of the GRU at the high frequency?
  23. 0
    2 January 2022 22: 23
    Author, why did you also bring gays here? Do you naively think that there are none in the Russian army? Oh well...
    I worked with lesbian aunts. As specialists, they do their job very well. Clarity, attention, discipline. And what do I really care who she sleeps with at home? Well, sleep for himself and let him sleep ...
  24. -3
    3 January 2022 04: 11
    The army, which officially serve openly gays, lesbians, transgender people, is demoralized. The army, which takes everyone in a row, loses its firmness. As a result, dedication, cohesion and pride in their achievements suffer severely. And these are the necessary conditions for maintaining a professional armed forces.


    I wonder how the presence of gays, lesbians, transgender people in the army demoralizes and weakens the army?

    Gays are the same men, but who are attracted not by women, but by men. How does the army suffer from this?

    Lesbians are the same women, but who are attracted not by men, but by women. How does the army suffer from this?

    Transgender people are either a man or a woman, people sitting on sex hormones from the outside, who have not yet changed or have already changed their biological sex through a surgical operation. How does the army suffer from this?

    They also forgot about Bisexuals. They can be both men and women. Those. people who are attracted to both men and women at the same time. How does the army suffer from this?

    And that's not counting asexuals and other types and types of sexual orientation of a person, of which there are much more than one or what I have described above.

    Is gender and sexual orientation so much influencing the army than knowledge and combat skills, training?

    Okay, let's say. Then how do ordinary and normal quoted heterosexual men strengthen rather than weaken the army? By what means? Due to the fact that they are attracted to women and not men? Seriously? What the hell is this?

    The author does at least understand what he is writing with regards to what or from what demoralizes, weakens and suffers the army in conjunction with the gender and orientation of the person? What place and side in general is the gender and orientation of a person? How does all this affect the army? Or is it all in the analogy of how women at any position in the army do not belong? Well, okay, let's say. For example, women are weaker than men physically, as they have differences in the work of the brain, as well as in logic, in the perception of a situation, space, more emotional, etc. etc. But a gay man, why is he worse than a heterosexual man in the army, and how does his orientation demoralize, negatively affect and weaken the army? How? How? By what means? The author of the article, in general, even though he himself understands and understands what he is writing and why, or just to write, and simply because, because he thinks so, he thinks and does not like something? And just because?
    1. -1
      3 January 2022 12: 46
      And thus it is different that he is gay. Consciousness is shifted. And do not try to answer. I do not want to categorically discuss this topic. It is difficult to keep within the framework.
    2. Aag
      0
      3 January 2022 18: 49
      The article, IMHO, is a little about something else ...
      With such emotionality, and, admittedly, an attempt at argumentation, you seem to need another resource ...
      I agree, the Author sometimes draws ... overly optimistic (the word "rainbow" is not appropriate here) theses.
      During the service, it came to light ... A couple of subordinates (not in the sense of a "couple", but only (?) Two) were incorrectly oriented. Professianism was not reflected ... But the "atmosphere" was not improved ...
      The only thing that can raise the level of military discipline in the DBS (duty-combat forces) is the "news" that a change of lesbians has come to the US (communication center).))))
      Sorry, only because of the holiday answered ...
    3. 0
      3 January 2022 19: 03
      the American army, tolerant of gays, transgender people and other X-Men, shamefully skedaddle from Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea. How many transgender and gay people do you think are there among the Afghan mujahideen? I think not a single one. therefore, the fewer transgender and gay people in the army, the more combat-ready it is. CHTD. stay tolerant of painful sexual deviations and perversions and your army will not be helped by weapons, equipment or training. which actually plays into our hands.
  25. +1
    3 January 2022 19: 44
    Quote: Essex62
    And thus it is different that he is gay. Consciousness is shifted. And do not try to answer. I do not want to categorically discuss this topic. It is difficult to keep within the framework.

    These are your problems and no one else's) But in what consciousness is shifted in a gay man, and how does this affect the army if this person is a soldier? The question is rather open. Nobody knows. But one thing is known, orientation does not affect the quality of the army in any way. No place. Apart from knowledge, combat skills and physical fitness, orientation and gender do not play any role at all.
  26. +1
    3 January 2022 19: 46
    Quote: AAG
    The article, IMHO, is a little about something else ...
    With such emotionality, and, admittedly, an attempt at argumentation, you seem to need another resource ...
    I agree, the Author sometimes draws ... overly optimistic (the word "rainbow" is not appropriate here) theses.
    During the service, it came to light ... A couple of subordinates (not in the sense of a "couple", but only (?) Two) were incorrectly oriented. Professianism was not reflected ... But the "atmosphere" was not improved ...
    The only thing that can raise the level of military discipline in the DBS (duty-combat forces) is the "news" that a change of lesbians has come to the US (communication center).))))
    Sorry, only because of the holiday answered ...

    In what ways did non-traditional soldiers not improve the atmosphere? How was this expressed? How does attraction to someone, like intimate preferences, affect the level and professionalism of the army? It is unlikely that the preference of women over men makes the army heroic and extremely resilient. It's just bullshit.
  27. +1
    3 January 2022 19: 47
    Quote: vervolk
    the American army, tolerant of gays, transgender people and other X-Men, shamefully skedaddle from Afghanistan, Vietnam and Korea. How many transgender and gay people do you think are there among the Afghan mujahideen? I think not a single one. therefore, the fewer transgender and gay people in the army, the more combat-ready it is. CHTD. stay tolerant of painful sexual deviations and perversions and your army will not be helped by weapons, equipment or training. which actually plays into our hands.

    It is unlikely that the effectiveness of the Afghan mujahideen is due to the fact that there were no gay people among them. Rather, they were, but hidden. For there they kill for any non-traditionalness, on the spot, and simply because it is necessary. And it is unlikely that the failures of the American army in Afghanistan are associated with the presence of unconventional people in their army. This is highly unlikely.
  28. 0
    4 January 2022 17: 39
    As long as there is such a richest country ka RUSSIA
    And people like RUSSIANS live in it
    they will always grace their NATO
  29. 0
    7 January 2022 09: 04
    We didn’t give them an ultimatum so that they would accept it.

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