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"The result of the reverse engineering of the Su-33": Western press about the Chinese J-15 fighter and its new version

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J-15



The Chinese military-industrial complex is no stranger to designing combat aircraft through reverse engineering - creating drawings or a 3D model based on an existing aircraft. This was the case with the J-11 air superiority fighter based on the Su-27; in the development of the J-16 fighter-bomber based on the Su-30; This method was used by specialists from the PRC, who eventually received a heavy deck-based fighter J-15.

"Younger brother" Su-33


The J-15 is the result of reverse engineering of the Russian Su-33 fighter, acquired in Ukraine during the purchase of the Varyag aircraft-carrying cruiser

- indicated in the French edition Meta-defense.

It is noted that, unlike the J-11B and especially the J-16, the J-15 has undergone a slight modernization in the process of creation, borrowing some of the "flaws" of the Soviet model:

The J-15 suffered from a number of shortcomings inherent in its "older brother" [Su-33], in particular, from low reliability, which caused numerous accidents.

- explained in the publication.

In the near future, Beijing expects to enter service with the new carrier-based stealth fighter J-35. However, at the moment, the PRC is equipping its aircraft carriers with the J-15. At the same time, work is underway to improve this aircraft, the modernized version of which has received the designation J-15T.

This is a more modern aircraft, primarily capable of using the powerful catapults of the future Chinese aircraft carrier [Type 003] for takeoff at full load.

- the author writes.


J-35


Level with the US Navy Air Group


Based on scant photo and video materials, a columnist in the Western press is trying to track the changes made to the appearance of the new variation of the J-15T. It has new pylons at the ends of the wing, similar to those of the J-16. Apparently, they are designed to carry the new PL-10 air-to-air missile - much more efficient than its predecessor, the PL-8. The J-15T has a new IRST [target search and track] infrared sensor in the front. The modified nose cone suggests a new radar, most likely with AFAR, which all other modern Chinese aircraft from J-10 to J-20 received.

As the author notes, an interesting decision by the Chinese military is to equip its promising aircraft carrier with two types of combat aircraft at once - the "invisible" J-35 and J-15T. The latter is a heavier car:

It will likely act as a "ammunition truck" for the J-35 (J-31) stealth, while remaining at a safe distance [from enemy weapons]

- says the observer.

In his words, the formation of a full-fledged carrier-based air group can be traced in the PLA Navy. The work of the J-35 (J-31) and J-15T will be coordinated by the J-15D electronic warfare aircraft (being tested). There are signs of equipping the aviation link with the stealthy GJ-11 attack drones, which will expand the offensive potential of aircraft carriers.

By equipping the first aircraft carrier Type 003 with the new J-35 (J-31), J-15T, J-15D, GJ-11 and KJ-600 [AWACS aircraft], it will receive a combat potential comparable to that of American aircraft carriers.

- the conclusion is made in the Western press.

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  1. ERsytype
    ERsytype 25 December 2021 16: 06
    +3
    Reverse engineering. Haha. This is a banal theft, impudent and overt. Perhaps Russia has transferred or sold manufacturing technologies. In general, China does little itself, they stupidly steal everything, from everyone and everything)
    1. ssergey1978
      ssergey1978 25 December 2021 16: 31
      +14
      This is normal, many countries have followed this path. Including the USSR. But China is making huge strides in many areas, including aviation.
      1. bya965
        bya965 25 December 2021 19: 37
        +2
        This is how the USSR went and it was a long time ago, almost everything before the war and some later. Now simple copy-paste does not work.
        Huge successes "don't believe". An appendage, he is an appendage. There are only Russians and the whole world.
        As a Russian I put on the "Russian World".
        We are only 1,5%. Jews for comparison do not offer, all that the Jews have done in the natural sciences is the USSR and again "Russians".
    2. Sahalinets
      Sahalinets 25 December 2021 16: 58
      +6
      Well, did we once cut the Roll-Royce jet engines? And the Britons were sent when they demanded royalties ... laughing
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 25 December 2021 19: 28
        +3
        And the B-29 was ripped off. Moreover, there was a direct prohibition to improve something.
        1. bayard
          bayard 26 December 2021 07: 50
          0
          And the Douglas Li-2? We bought a package of technical documentation and the right to manufacture.
          It's a sin to remember about tanks - abroad our BTs of all series were simply called "Christie's Tanks". T-26 - English seamless.
          And both we and the Americans after the war adopted the V-2 and learned to build their missiles on them.
          It's all right .
          They just pull the best, and at that time the Su-27 (and its derivatives) were the best.
          It was abnormal, in violation of the contract, to refuse to purchase a previously ordered batch. Both the Su-27 and the Su-30.
          Aviation, especially fighter aircraft, and even more so engines, it is difficult. Very difficult . But they try very hard.
          And success is on their face.
    3. Cosm22
      Cosm22 25 December 2021 18: 05
      +2
      Quote: ERsytype
      This is a banal theft, insolent and outright.

      Let's not find out what, when and from whom it was stolen. In this field, many have a stigma in the cannon.
      The state of the country's fleet is much more important.
      And it is as follows: China has 2 aircraft carriers in service (we lower the helicopter carriers) with fifty aircraft.
      Russia has a donut hole today.
      This is essential. All the rest is lyrics and sniffles.
    4. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 25 December 2021 18: 32
      0
      Quote: ERsytype
      Reverse engineering. Haha.

      Is it now called "Chinese Xerox"? I represent
      I bought the reverse engineering "AdidOs" sneakers from the market yesterday ...
      "AdidOs" is a real thing, I saw it myself, I laughed.
    5. TermNachTer
      TermNachTer 25 December 2021 18: 37
      +2
      Actually, the prototype of the Su - 33, the Chinese were sold the Banderlog, for absolutely ridiculous money, even funnier than the Varyag.
    6. zenion
      zenion 25 December 2021 19: 28
      -2
      ERsytype. The Chinese have stolen microcircuits in Russia that they have not yet designed in Russia.
      1. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 25 December 2021 20: 59
        +1
        Quote: zenion
        The Chinese have stolen microcircuits in Russia that they have not yet designed in Russia.

        Already designed. Baikal-S is called.
        it is the first competitive general-purpose high performance CPU in the modern history of Russia. Moreover, it is competitive in every sense - in terms of price, performance, power consumption. There are no uniqueness and "analogs". Just a good chip capable of adequately competing with competitors, with a clear market niche and prospects.

        As they say "- Dashing trouble - BEGINNING!
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 26 December 2021 21: 09
          -2
          Quote: BoA KAA
          Quote: zenion
          The Chinese have stolen microcircuits in Russia that they have not yet designed in Russia.

          Already designed. Baikal-S is called.
          it is the first competitive general-purpose high performance CPU in the modern history of Russia. Moreover, it is competitive in every sense - in terms of price, performance, power consumption. There are no uniqueness and "analogs". Just a good chip capable of adequately competing with competitors, with a clear market niche and prospects.

          As they say "- Dashing trouble - BEGINNING!

          Baikal, then 100% bought arm from English arm. And produced only in Taiwan by TMSC
    7. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 25 December 2021 20: 11
      +2
      Quote: ERsytype
      Reverse engineering. Haha. This is a banal theft, insolent and outright.
      come on. Industrial espionage has always existed (including during the Soviet opposition to the outside world) !!! yes and then they themselves sold half of them to China (minimum) technologies in aircraft construction ...
      And what is stopping the Russian Federation, now "clone" for example, a super successful power plant scheme, from even its own "Clever" ...? !!! Balance work four identical gas turbine engines * !! There, gearboxes should also be lighter (easier than in DGTA for 22350) ...
      Banal laziness and no desire to develop your own Navy ... ?! .
      Or (for the same reason), not to develop a faster production of the line of diesel engines of the D-500 family (Kolomna, 8000-12000 hp), but be content with the outdated 16D49 (6000 hp), and transfer 20380 corvettes to the fleet (!), with a deliberate speed deficit (power reserve), without PLUR (!), with overly expensive radar complexes (which, moreover, cannot provide a full-fledged control center for missiles) ...
      Super corvette (из-за prices RLC), OVR / PLO for peaceful time ... ?!

      Quote: Cosm22
      Much more important state of the country's fleet.
      And it is as follows: China has 2 aircraft carriers in service (we lower the helicopter carriers) with fifty aircraft.
      Russia has a donut hole today.
      This is essential. All the rest is lyrics and sniffles.
  2. Amateur
    Amateur 25 December 2021 16: 26
    +2
    Have you learned how to restore technology by reverse engineering? The main thing is not what to do, but how to do it.
    1. Nemchinov Vl
      Nemchinov Vl 25 December 2021 22: 21
      +2
      Quote: Amateur
      Have you learned how to restore technology by reverse engineering? The main thing is not what to do, but how to do it.
      I apologize, Victor, but this thesis is not so controversial ... ? !!
      take an example from history, let's say the Battle of Kursk (as a part of the most vivid and vivid episode), in the confrontation of the tank-building concepts of Germany (and under it and Europe, at least the factories of the Czech Skoda), against the USSR ....? !!!
      The T-34 was structurally simpler than the Tigers or Panthers (and pierced the enemy with a maximum of 500 meters, and not 1,2-1,5 km.), but much more massive and cheap (!), and quantitative superiority (on the battlefield), grew into such "another qualitative dimension", - like a victory !!!!
      Therefore ... Both in aviation and in the Navy, not only a qualitative, but also a quantitative indicator is probably important ...? !!! It seems to me that even if the Pacific Fleet (for example) receives the same "Nakhimov" after modernization, it will immediately horrify the entire Japanese fleet ...
      or God forbid to collide with China at sea ... Where is an increase in three frigates and a couple of three EM (not counting corvettes and helicopter carriers) least ...
      1. andrewkor
        andrewkor 26 December 2021 06: 23
        0
        Do not forget that in Soviet tank formations, at the time of the Battle of Kursk, there were many light tanks T60 and T70 up to a third of the composition, and not just T34. Large tank losses forced the Headquarters to issue an order to stop the production of light tanks.
      2. Amateur
        Amateur 26 December 2021 08: 56
        0
        Excuse me, what does the Battle of Kursk have to do with reverse engineering?
        1. Nemchinov Vl
          Nemchinov Vl 27 December 2021 00: 15
          0
          Quote: Amateur
          Excuse me, what does the Battle of Kursk have to do with reverse engineering?
          that my comment was mainly about your thesis, -
          Quote: Amateur
          Home not what to do, but how to do it.
          (!). hi
          in particular, the birth just in time for the Battle of Kursk, the "Panther" itself, was partly industrial espionage in terms of the rational slopes of the tank's armor sheets, just with the T-34 (!).
          After clashes with her earlier "Armor 3 and 3/4" (as the main "workhorses" of the Wehrmacht tank formations, the first years of the war !!). Such is an example of "improved plagiarism", or as it was called in this article - "reverse engineering", from the German side ... yes
          But along the way, the thesis implied above was also considered - in terms of the transition from quantity to quality ... because one in the field is not a warrior. !
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 26 December 2021 21: 13
      0
      Quote: Amateur
      Have you learned how to restore technology by reverse engineering? The main thing is not what to do, but how to do it.

      Learned.
      To repeat the reverse, we need designers, technologists, engineers, a production base of "the same level of development".
      Otherwise, they will not understand and repeat.

      Remember this.
      1. Amateur
        Amateur 26 December 2021 21: 29
        0
        Sorry, what exactly and why do I need to remember something about Chinese reverse engineering?
        1. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 26 December 2021 21: 39
          0
          Quote: Amateur
          Sorry, what exactly and why do I need to remember something about Chinese reverse engineering?

          I repeat it a second time.
          As for an ensign.
          To repeat something, you need to have the same level of development of science and technology.
          This is for you to think more before you write ...
          1. Amateur
            Amateur 26 December 2021 22: 09
            0
            I understand! You have not yet figured out why (and further in the previous text)
  3. bar
    bar 25 December 2021 16: 29
    +10
    The J-15 suffered from a number of shortcomings inherent in its "older brother" [Su-33], in particular, from low reliability, which caused numerous accidents.

    That is, the Chinese stupidly ripped off low reliability and accidents? In vain. It was necessary to add high reliability and trouble-free operation. laughing
  4. Seryoga64
    Seryoga64 25 December 2021 16: 34
    0
    There are signs of equipping the aviation link with the unobtrusive GJ-11 strike drones

    And who was this one stolen from?
  5. ERsytype
    ERsytype 25 December 2021 20: 45
    -5
    Quote: Cosm22
    Quote: ERsytype
    This is a banal theft, insolent and outright.

    Let's not find out what, when and from whom it was stolen. In this field, many have a stigma in the cannon.
    The state of the country's fleet is much more important.
    And it is as follows: China has 2 aircraft carriers in service (we lower the helicopter carriers) with fifty aircraft.
    Russia has a donut hole today.
    This is essential. All the rest is lyrics and sniffles.

    All that you have listed, the Chinese have due to the presence of a lot of money (real or credit-printed) and theft is probably not on such a scale. In Russia, too, everything can be, but a lot of effective managers are sitting at key points.
    The USSR will hardly be able to return, the people are not at all the same. Now it's not the idea that drives, but the loot.
  6. agoran
    agoran 25 December 2021 21: 46
    0
    The fuselage can be copied, well, yes, it is possible.
    But engines with a resource, I doubt very much.
  7. Baloo
    Baloo 26 December 2021 22: 10
    0
    Indeed, why invent / develop something ourselves from scratch, when there are quite proven Su-33 vehicles, especially since China has been doing this for a long time and has achieved good success in this field ...