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The first flight of the MC-21-300 aircraft with a wing made of a domestic composite material took place

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The first flight of the Russian MC-21-300 aircraft with a wing made of domestic composite material took place from the airfield of the Irkutsk Aviation Plant, which is part of the UAC. The test took place as usual.


This was reported in the press service of the state corporation "Rostec", of which the UAC is a part.

The control of the new airliner was entrusted to the Heroes of the Russian Federation, test pilots Roman Taskaev and Oleg Kononenko.

The main feature of the aircraft is its wing made of polymer composite material developed in Russia.

We did everything right, the MC-21 program is consistently and steadily moving forward, despite sanctions and unfair competition

- noted the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation Denis Manturov.

According to the minister, this success was largely achieved thanks to strong government support. In particular, the state allocated 21 billion rubles for the development of a composite for the MS-300-4,4 wing.

Earlier, the head of the State Transport Leasing Company, Yevgeny Dietrich, said that at the initial stage of the operation of the new aircraft, it would need to be supported by budget subsidies.

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  1. Cat Alexandrovich
    Cat Alexandrovich 25 December 2021 11: 14
    -76
    Wing, wing, wing ... Wing throughout the post. Would you say left or right? laughing
    1. Tusv
      Tusv 25 December 2021 11: 35
      +23
      It can be clearly seen between the lines. Especially the second.
      And so. PD is in principle norms and if the domestic composite pulls it is definitely the most powerful blow to the middle highways of the west
      1. Troll
        Troll 25 December 2021 12: 07
        +35
        Not certainly in that way. Look wider, more composites are used not only in the wings. This is, first of all, a breakthrough in chemistry, which is everywhere.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 25 December 2021 12: 36
          +4
          Quote: Troll
          Look wider, more composites are used not only in the wings. This is, first of all, a breakthrough in chemistry, which is everywhere.

          Shirshe, they are already preparing for us sanctions for import substitution. Not well, slow SWIFT has already been imported for a long time and it should be turned off in mutual settlements with Western partners
          1. Troll
            Troll 25 December 2021 16: 26
            +1
            So far, yes, someone there suggested a discussion on the WTO line. Let them discuss and introduce. Sanctions are good for Russia, as Seneca said: Per aspera ad astra
            1. Tusv
              Tusv 25 December 2021 16: 30
              +5
              Quote: Troll
              Per aspera ad astra

              Through hardship to the stars? So there was no one before Tsiolkovsky, but a gorgeous film remained. With meaning. Turancheks are all dwarfs drinks
            2. Victorio
              Victorio 26 December 2021 15: 24
              0
              Quote: Troll
              So far, yes, someone there suggested a discussion on the WTO line. Let them discuss and introduce. Sanctions are good for Russia, as Seneca said: Per aspera ad astra

              ===
              we have already discussed large sums of compensation to European partners
              https://news.mail.ru/economics/49385132/?frommail=1
              1. Vladimir Mashkov
                Vladimir Mashkov 26 December 2021 18: 31
                -1
                Quote: Victorio
                we have already discussed large sums of compensation to European partners

                Request the amount is NOT the amount yet! But the fact that the plane is built from Russian components is great news! good
          2. Starover_Z
            Starover_Z 25 December 2021 22: 28
            +2
            Quote: Tusv
            Shirshe, they are already preparing for us sanctions for import substitution. Not well, slow SWIFT has already been imported for a long time and it should be turned off in mutual settlements with Western partners

            Exactly ! Let them pay for oil and gas in gold and rubles if they want to turn off their settlement system!
        2. figwam
          figwam 25 December 2021 12: 42
          +15
          Good go ...
          1. figwam
            figwam 25 December 2021 13: 15
            +13
            Here's more ...
            1. Turist1996
              Turist1996 27 December 2021 07: 44
              0
              Is it PD-14 on it?
              Looking at the diameter, the question arises - what is the degree of bypass? The engine should be fairly economical.
              1. figwam
                figwam 27 December 2021 09: 24
                0
                Quote: Turist1996
                Is it PD-14 on it?

                Yes, already our domestic ones.
        3. Siberian54
          Siberian54 25 December 2021 14: 04
          +8
          We got along without a jerk from military technologies and were certified by the IAC. But there was apparently a lot of work to fit the "civilian" specifics. And now we smile and wave to the yapas !! We smile and wave! ..
        4. antivirus
          antivirus 25 December 2021 15: 25
          -12
          first of all, THESE ARE THE PRIORITIES OF THE GRF MANAGEMENT.
          A certain commander of the site slapped me 4 warnings for (in his opinion) trolling "10 pcs AV pao 100000 TVI".
          I confirm - the GDP and others are not needed by the not elected, but the real leaders (not the owners, such as Mikhail Prokhorov, etc.) aircraft carriers.
          trolling is one thing and for years not to build aircraft carriers and invest in aircraft engines and wing (chemistry) - another + air defense-VKS and all missile structures and technologies.
        5. Alemax
          Alemax 27 December 2021 07: 51
          0
          We have already looked at a well-known corvette.
          Burns great. It's just awful!
      2. lucul
        lucul 25 December 2021 12: 27
        +13
        "And so. PD is in principle norms and if the domestic composite pulls it is definitely the most powerful blow to the middle highways of the West."


        The main thing is that now we have our own composite, and only a carriage and a small trolley will be used for it.
        It's like the opening of the plastic production in due time.
      3. isv000
        isv000 25 December 2021 14: 58
        +2
        Quote: Tusv
        PD is in principle norms and if the domestic composite pulls it is definitely the most powerful blow to the middle highways of the west

        It is high time! Bring to mind and - yankee go home! - we are transferring to domestic aviation. One thing is bad - more than 20% of suppliers are from the camp of a potential enemy ...
      4. Volkof
        Volkof 25 December 2021 15: 57
        +8
        Why do our planes fly on an American engine? Has anyone asked themselves this question? I will answer so that it is clear! The power system, hydraulic system, pneumatic system and fuel system are also connected to the engine! The American engine is equipped with their generators, their pumps for hydro and pneumatic systems, their fuel pumps, and hence the corresponding control equipment ... And where are our analogues that are not inferior to foreign ones? That's the question...
        For those who are not in the subject, see:
        http://mc-21.wikidot.com/news:154
        Very interesting: What generators and pumps are on the MS-21-310 with PD-14 and how do they compete with foreign ones in terms of overall dimensions and quality parameters? Yes PD-14 is a great engine! And what about the domestic units of aircraft systems for this engine?
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    3. PN
      PN 25 December 2021 11: 38
      +15
      This aircraft has one wing and two planes.
      1. Cat Alexandrovich
        Cat Alexandrovich 25 December 2021 12: 01
        +3
        Thanks for the answer! I really didn't know such subtleties! My knowledge here is at the level of "on parole and on ONE WING" ...
        1. Genry
          Genry 25 December 2021 12: 41
          +6
          Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
          This aircraft has one wing and two planes.

          The plane is from another ...
          Actually, the wing consists of a center section and two consoles.
          1. dauria
            dauria 25 December 2021 13: 51
            +10
            Actually, the wing consists of a center section and two consoles.

            This is in universities ... laughing At the airfield "wings" and "chassis" with the wrong emphasis. No matter how hard you beat .... Approximately like with coffee of the middle kind.
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    5. mmaxx
      mmaxx 25 December 2021 11: 47
      +5
      The monoplane has one wing laughing
      1. ODERVIT
        ODERVIT 25 December 2021 12: 15
        +6
        There is one wing, and there are two consoles, left and right, in the direction of flight. wink
    6. tralflot1832
      tralflot1832 25 December 2021 11: 48
      +6
      Probably a spare! The Ministry of Industry and Trade announced the price of development of the technology for the production of import substitution for composites.
    7. Ros 56
      Ros 56 25 December 2021 12: 29
      0
      It is immediately evident that the clown asks questions, the wing of the monoplane aircraft is one, but consists of two halves, left and right. fool
    8. Hog
      Hog 25 December 2021 14: 31
      +2
      Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
      Wing, wing, wing ... Wing throughout the post. Would you say left or right? laughing

      This aircraft has one wing, but two of its planes.
    9. irbis0373
      irbis0373 25 December 2021 15: 15
      +2
      The wing is one, but there are two planes, the right and left plane of the wing.
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    11. Fantazer911
      Fantazer911 25 December 2021 18: 00
      0
      Her, the rear wing, you obviously did not read that you developed a composite for the wing, and the aircraft, as you know, has more than one wing!
    12. And Us Rat
      And Us Rat 25 December 2021 18: 21
      +4
      Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
      Wing, wing, wing ... Wing throughout the post. Would you say left or right? laughing

      What about the rest of the components?
      If it is MC-21-300, then the engines are Pratt & Whitney PW1400G-Jm.
      The modification of the aircraft with PD-14 engines will be called MS-21-310.
      Are you planning to import avionics?
      Honeywell, Thales and Elbit Systems supply 9 × 12 multifunctional displays for avionics, electronic pilot pads, advanced / synthesized vision systems (EVS / SVS). UTC Aerospace Systems supplies side-stick systems, windshield indicators and glass cockpit systems.
      Goodrich Corporation, with the participation of the Russian company Aviapribor, is supplying a flight control system.
      And there is still a lot of imported stuff on the little things.
      1. dima314
        dima314 25 December 2021 19: 33
        0
        yes, there is still a lot to replace ... alas, a lot is very difficult or impossible
    13. Piramidon
      Piramidon 25 December 2021 23: 34
      +2
      Quote: Cat Alexandrovich
      Would you say left or right?

      There is only one wing (a biplane has two). The left and right are a plane, a cantilever or a half-wing.
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    15. Sakh
      Sakh 27 December 2021 05: 18
      0
      Kry'lo, with emphasis on "s"
  2. lis-ik
    lis-ik 25 December 2021 11: 16
    +17
    I would very much like the domestic aircraft industry (civil aviation) to return, even though for the domestic market.
    1. isv000
      isv000 25 December 2021 15: 03
      +6
      Quote: lis-ik
      I would very much like the domestic aircraft industry (civil aviation) to return, even though for the domestic market.

      Our domestic market, coupled with flights to China, will swallow a lot of planes, the main thing is not to waste time, to have time to saturate our own fleet and remove foreign litakas.
      1. 2 Level Advisor
        2 Level Advisor 25 December 2021 20: 07
        -3
        1. our small market for payback .. physically small ... nothing can be done about it, even if we remove the foreigners ..
        2. How do we remove them? I understand theory .. and practice? for SSJ they didn’t remove f ..
        but in general it was great that it flew .. this is in any case an achievement of our industry ..
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 26 December 2021 12: 27
          +1
          yes .. the market gets bigger from cons laughing
        2. Turist1996
          Turist1996 27 December 2021 07: 55
          0
          I remember that until 2005, the main fleet on the domestic routes consisted of Tu-154. And after one of the disasters with the participation of Tushka, our LADY said that they say, "We fly on old stuff, we need to keep up with progressive mankind, fly on Boeings and Airbuses."
          And after that, the active replacement of domestic aircraft with western ones began. Obviously with the goodwill of government agencies.
          The question from here is this: is our aircraft market really so small if Boeing and Airbus have so clearly lobbied their interests at the level of a LADY ?!
    2. Barberry25
      Barberry25 26 December 2021 09: 17
      -4
      will return, in fact the second plane is being made, and a couple more are on the way
  3. askort154
    askort154 25 December 2021 11: 16
    +18
    Here's another Christmas tree present! The most important thing is that my "composite" went, because of which the schedule was constantly shifting
    to the right, not only MS-21, but also many promising aviation programs. Therefore, the United States imposed sanctions on this topic.
    1. seregin-s1
      seregin-s1 25 December 2021 11: 54
      +11
      It's time to impose sanctions on smartphones! The sooner you lie down, the sooner you get up!
      1. SKVichyakow
        SKVichyakow 25 December 2021 12: 01
        +2
        Quote: seregin-s1
        It's time to impose sanctions on smartphones! The sooner you lie down, the sooner you get up!

        So they and so the supply of these smartphones to us, were banned by sanctions. It should have been proposed earlier, but now it's too late.
        1. Turist1996
          Turist1996 27 December 2021 08: 02
          +3
          Huaiwei with Xiaomi and other Chinese companies only expanded the market by doing so .. shooting yourself in the foot is a favorite pastime of idio ..., oh, cowboys from Texas.
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 25 December 2021 12: 12
        +7
        Quote: seregin-s1
        It's time to impose sanctions on smartphones! The sooner you lie down, the sooner you get up!

        Do not worry. The US Senate has already made a proposal to stop selling smartphones to Russia laughing Here the other day, Sergei Mikheev was very fascinatingly talking about smartphones, what they are, why they were given into their hands. And in my opinion, he said everything right. From an ordinary means of communication, the smartphone has turned into a toy for durakov, who live in their virtual reality. After all, look at any advertisement for a smartphone. What do they advertise in it in the first place? The possibility of stable signal reception in any conditions? No! The opportunity to take photos and share them with the whole world. And then they wonder how this favorite activity of Dziuba on the net is in full view of everyone. Then follows the minister's statement ... laughing
        1. seregin-s1
          seregin-s1 29 December 2021 18: 08
          0
          How to use a smartphone is a matter of the user. But the performance of the product is a matter of scientists. Don't confuse pixel with Dziuba!
  4. Dikson
    Dikson 25 December 2021 11: 17
    +9
    Good news. Economic and technological independence is the country's security.
  5. Gardener91
    Gardener91 25 December 2021 11: 18
    -8
    Everything is fine, but ... having put a mousetrap, you need to know for sure that there is a mouse there.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 December 2021 12: 28
      +10
      Quote: Gardener91
      It's okay, but ...having put a mousetrap, you need to know for sure that there is a mouse.

      I (on weekends) started to freak out from custom gems. When placing a mousetrap, you should take care of a good bait ... And your ...
      Valenki-felt boots, a camel stands on the mountain, the "pole" stands like a chisel ... wassat
      1. Gardener91
        Gardener91 25 December 2021 13: 07
        -11
        Quote: ROSS 42
        And yours...
        Valenki-felt boots, a camel stands on the mountain, the "pole" stands like a chisel ...

        There are many orders for this liner, may I ask? And what is the sales market, not "promising", but now in demand?
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 25 December 2021 14: 04
          +2
          Quote: Gardener91
          And what is the sales market, not "promising", but now in demand?

          If he is certified, he will go abroad. In the meantime, you can fly in Russia.
          1. Gardener91
            Gardener91 25 December 2021 14: 26
            -5
            Quote: ROSS 42
            If he is certified, he will go abroad. In the meantime, you can fly in Russia.

            And in the Russian Federation, airlines instead of Boeing will be forced to buy a special decree? And where is the Super Jet, which was the first after the collapse of the USSR. Of the 367 ordered, only 165 have been delivered.
            1. isv000
              isv000 25 December 2021 15: 47
              +3
              Quote: Gardener91
              And where is the Super Jet, which was the first after the collapse of the USSR. Of the 367 ordered, only 165 have been delivered.

              Already. ALREADY 165 planes delivered! That is, 165 enemy boards were not brought to Russia and the money remained at home!
              1. Gardener91
                Gardener91 25 December 2021 15: 53
                -9
                Quote: isv000
                Already. ALREADY 165 planes delivered!

                What am I talking about? Oh yeah ... a mousetrap. To produce and sell, one must not only understand that there is a need for this, but also a market is needed not for potential, but for real customers.
            2. D16
              D16 25 December 2021 15: 55
              -2
              And where is the Super Jet, which was the first after the collapse of the USSR.

              Carries more than half of our passengers on regional flights.
              1. Gardener91
                Gardener91 25 December 2021 16: 33
                0
                Quote: D16
                Carries more than half of our passengers on regional flights.

                Only 6 (!) Operators! And more than half?
                1. D16
                  D16 25 December 2021 16: 34
                  -2
                  Yes. More than a half. Too lazy to look for links, but it really is.
                  1. Gardener91
                    Gardener91 25 December 2021 16: 38
                    -1
                    Quote: D16
                    Yes. More than a half.

                    For 150 million population and with a huge territory as a percentage of others, exploited, a lot ?!
                    1. D16
                      D16 25 December 2021 16: 49
                      -2
                      Not quite about more than half, but on the topic:
                      https://zen.yandex.ru/media/letaem_vmeste/aviakompaniia-azimut-kak-obrazcovyi-ekspluatant-rossiiskih-superdjetov-6148882dce213543d45ab3e0
                      This is only Azimuth on 15 sides.
            3. D16
              D16 25 December 2021 16: 26
              +3
              And in the Russian Federation, airlines instead of Boeing will be forced to buy a special decree?

              You have raised a very difficult issue. IMHO transplanting AK from one manufacturer to another is voluntarily impossible in principle. The solution has two options.
              1. It is difficult to say for how many years it is difficult to say how many years it is to pay for AK for all the costs of changing boards from the budget.
              2. To create alternative AKs on domestic aircraft and give them a competitive edge. Again, at the expense of the budget.
              I think there will be a combination of both options. Carrot and stick. Maybe in 10 years there will be no A and B trunk lines in Russia. The Chinese from 919m somehow did not work lol ... But these will want both build and localization over time.
          2. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 26 December 2021 21: 30
            +1
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: Gardener91
            And what is the sales market, not "promising", but now in demand?

            If he is certified, he will go abroad. In the meantime, you can fly in Russia.

            It won’t work ...
            We have already taken a chance with the SuperJet, there are no more willing ones ...
            Only freeloaders ...
        2. isv000
          isv000 25 December 2021 15: 11
          0
          Quote: Gardener91
          There are many orders for this liner, may I ask? And what is the sales market, not "promising", but now in demand?

          The distance from Minsk to Vladik is more than 7000 km ... Crimea and Sochi have not been canceled. Russia - China ... Not enough ?! fool
          1. Gardener91
            Gardener91 25 December 2021 15: 19
            0
            Quote: isv000
            The distance from Minsk to Vladik is more than 7000 km ... Crimea and Sochi have not been canceled. Few?!

            Yes, good luck, I'm all for it! They would buy only and the price of tickets from Minsk to Vladivostok would be lower on their liners, and these flights would be safer, and more economical, and the inter-flight and total resource would be higher, and much more. Someone drives a Mercedes and a Mazda, and I drive MY XNUMX-year-old seven.
            1. isv000
              isv000 25 December 2021 15: 43
              +2
              Quote: Gardener91
              Someone drives a Mercedes and a Mazda, and I drive MY XNUMX-year-old seven.

              My honest Nissan has covered 450 km in 000 years ...
              1. Gardener91
                Gardener91 25 December 2021 15: 46
                +1
                Quote: isv000
                My honest Nissan has covered 450 km in 000 years ...

                Well, I'm fine-wool. There is no other way ...
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        3. D16
          D16 25 December 2021 15: 52
          +2
          There are many orders for this liner, may I ask?

          So far 170 firm orders.
          1. Gardener91
            Gardener91 25 December 2021 16: 00
            -3
            Quote: D16
            So far 170 firm orders.

            Till. Ask Boeing for their order and sales volumes. At least one, not the most popular model per year. Well, you need to start ...
            1. D16
              D16 25 December 2021 16: 04
              +2
              Ask Boeing for their order and sales volumes.

              How many years has Boeing been producing civil aircraft, and how long is Irkut? But bobby with the last 737 screwed up notably.
              1. Gardener91
                Gardener91 25 December 2021 16: 29
                0
                Quote: D16
                How many years has Boeing been producing civil aircraft, and how long is Irkut?

                30 years was not enough !? And this is with the Soviet backlog of the aviation industry!
                1. D16
                  D16 25 December 2021 16: 33
                  -6
                  What are 30 years old, and what is Irkut's backlog?
            2. isv000
              isv000 25 December 2021 20: 43
              -3
              Quote: Gardener91
              Till. Ask Boeing for their order and sales volumes. At least one, not the most popular model per year. Well, you need to start ...

              If Boeing loses the Russian market, then we can lose Boeing ... hi
              1. Gardener91
                Gardener91 25 December 2021 21: 25
                -5
                Quote: isv000
                If Boeing loses the Russian market, then we can lose Boeing ...

                This means we are waiting for new sanctions on the aviation industry, its connecting industries, or on air communications.
                1. isv000
                  isv000 25 December 2021 22: 47
                  +2
                  Quote: Gardener91
                  This means we are waiting for new sanctions on the aviation industry, its connecting industries, or on air communications.

                  The ban on flights through the territory of Russia hurts the "partners" more painfully, and gas in winter is not superfluous ... wassat
                  1. Gardener91
                    Gardener91 25 December 2021 23: 19
                    -2
                    Quote: isv000
                    The ban on flights through the territory of Russia hurts the "partners" more painfully, and gas in winter is not superfluous ...

                    The politicized energy market was invented by the United States back in 1961, pegging oil prices to its dollar. I remember a similar story with the price of oil exported from the USSR in the 80s, only exactly the opposite. Old Marx was right in his Capital, although he was a Russophobe.
  6. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 25 December 2021 11: 19
    +5
    A unique aircraft built on its own element base - a couple or three countries can boast of this.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 December 2021 12: 30
      +13
      Quote: From Tomsk
      a couple or three countries can boast of this.

      We do not need to brag, but to create domestic civil aviation - the scale of the country allows.
      1. Turist1996
        Turist1996 27 December 2021 08: 07
        +1
        Correction: not create, but recreate.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 27 December 2021 08: 50
          0
          Quote: Turist1996
          Correction: not create, but recreate.

          I am afraid that with this number of private airlines and responsibility for flight safety, it is CREATE.
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 26 December 2021 21: 33
      0
      USA, France and England.
      So far, these are all 3 countries in civil aviation.
      Which can actually build civil aircraft on their element base
  7. vervolk
    vervolk 25 December 2021 11: 19
    +20
    will start now! Yes, it is not serial, but it has foreign components, but it is generally wrong and will not fly, but it is unnecessary and unprofitable. because this news, as well as news about calibers, daggers and zircons, does not fit into the concept of Russia's ill-wishers that Russia is eating up only the Soviet legacy, and the current elite has done nothing for Russia and is only withdrawing money over the hill. Therefore, they become unpleasant for them like infa about the icebreakers of the "Arctic" project, about the Crimean bridge, about new weapons and all the other numerous successes of Russia's victory!
    1. A009
      A009 25 December 2021 11: 51
      +17
      Excuse me
      They built an airplane, it can't even fly directly! The video shows very well. It would be better if these wings were distributed to pensioners.
      It's all right?
  8. alex neym_2
    alex neym_2 25 December 2021 11: 19
    +9
    Good luck!
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      2. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 25 December 2021 14: 37
        -1
        I have nothing buggy, I don't understand what I'm talking about
        1. aslan balayev
          aslan balayev 25 December 2021 16: 21
          +1
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          I have nothing buggy, I don't understand what I'm talking about

          Yesterday for the whole day I could not send a single message. request With what it was connected, I did not understand. It's okay today
  10. iouris
    iouris 25 December 2021 11: 25
    -7
    Does the altitude display show altitude in meters or feet? And the flight speed indicator?
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 25 December 2021 11: 41
      +23
      Quote: iouris
      Does the altitude display show altitude in meters or feet? And the flight speed indicator?

      Height in vershoks.
      Speed ​​in parsecs.
      Length in parrots. laughing
      1. A009
        A009 25 December 2021 11: 54
        +11
        In parsecs, this is for astronauts. Here, as usual. The co-pilot lets the knots on the rope out of the window.
        1. sifgame
          sifgame 25 December 2021 13: 56
          +1
          While astronomers
        2. aslan balayev
          aslan balayev 25 December 2021 16: 32
          +3
          You open the window and stick your finger out. You close it and look at your finger. If there is only a skeleton, then the speed is more than 1000. Just so the familiar navigator explained to me. wink
      2. iouris
        iouris 25 December 2021 20: 23
        +2
        Such short thoughts, there are also a parrot.
        I "googled" here and this is what I found.
        Quote:
        At the start of the MC-21 project in the early 2000s, it was planned to develop and produce on-board electronic systems of the airliner in Russia. But later it became clear that it would be extremely difficult, time-consuming and expensive to implement the IKBO IMA concept completely in Russia and practically from scratch. Therefore, the developers of the aircraft followed the proven path, which had long been chosen by large foreign aircraft manufacturers, from the Canadian Bombardier and the Brazilian Embraer to the American Boeing and the European Aribus. We are talking about ordering ready-made equipment and modifying it to fit your own requirements and needs. This approach significantly saves time and costs.

        It also greatly simplifies the certification of new aircraft in accordance with international standards. According to Yevgeny Lunev, head of the aircraft navigation systems department at UAC - Integration Center, the purchase of ready-made equipment with developer tools that have already passed preliminary certification tests simplifies the subsequent certification of these systems with written software. Because even the developer's software tools supplied by the manufacturer allow you to visually write the logic of the program and set algorithms through a convenient graphical interface. This minimizes manual programming.

        The basis of the MC-21 avionics is the systems of the French company Thales and the American companies Honeywell and Rockwell Collins. In particular, Thales supplies computers that will run Russian software. Six such computers will be installed on one plane, which will work synchronously in order to realize duplication of functionality without failures. Honeywell supplies navigation boxes, which include satellite navigation, and Rockwell Collins supplies communication and data exchange systems. The combination of all supplied units into a single complex is provided by UAC - Integration Center, with the Russian company acting as a systems integrator.
        End of quote.
        On this basis, it can be argued that approximately 70% of the aircraft's cost will be received by "Western partners". But only if this aviation complex is certified. But this should be strongly doubted.
        Thus, the MS-21 has poor commercial prospects.
  11. Tusv
    Tusv 25 December 2021 11: 29
    +5
    I saw it at MAKS 2021, albeit on the Japanese wing and on the American engine. They were no less surprised than the new version of the Su-30 with unified engines. Both cars made me happy. There is little to do. Certification, production and forward to bankruptcy Boeing
    1. Cosm22
      Cosm22 25 December 2021 11: 39
      -11
      Those. is it already possible to sing waste to Boeing and Airbus?
      You have calmed me down.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 25 December 2021 12: 09
        +1
        Quote: Cosm22
        Those. is it already possible to sing waste to Boeing and Airbus?

        This is how it was originally intended. The Russian manufacturer will leave the American market and will supply components to its own. Boeing's quality will naturally drop
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 25 December 2021 12: 34
          +9
          It would be nice if, when leaving, he took the titan with him ... yes
    2. Edik
      Edik 25 December 2021 12: 01
      +2
      Quote: Tusv
      truth on the japanese wing

      This is not Japanese technology, but Austrian technology.
      1. Tusv
        Tusv 25 December 2021 12: 11
        +1
        Quote: Edik
        This is not Japanese technology, but Austrian technology.

        Who cares if it's already Russian
        1. UGM159
          UGM159 25 December 2021 12: 29
          -2
          Chinese fillers SYT-49 / SYT-55
          1. letinant
            letinant 25 December 2021 13: 34
            +3
            Quote: UGM159
            Chinese fillers SYT-49 / SYT-55

            These are possible replacements for a foreign customer. This is the standard.
    3. isv000
      isv000 25 December 2021 15: 23
      +1
      Quote: Tusv
      There is little to do. Certification, production and forward to bankruptcy Boeing

      It would be nice to find a sale for titanium and show the mattresses a figure of three fingers.
  12. letinant
    letinant 25 December 2021 11: 30
    +12
    As a child, I lived in a great country, "Soviet Union". Youth and youth in a squalid state, "Yeltsin's Russia". And now I live in the Russian Federation, which is rising from its knees. Yes, we are not yet the Soviet Union, but we are no longer Yeltsinoids. We are not underestimated by our enemies, but the worst thing is we underestimate ourselves. Tears roll from these frames, and I want to do what our fathers and grandfathers did when the planes took off for the first time. Scream URAAAA !!!
    1. Sling of David
      Sling of David 25 December 2021 11: 41
      -31
      Alexey, and in what exactly was the notorious getting up from his knees manifested? Overtook NATO in infant mortality and life expectancy? Children of their politicians go to study in Moscow because there is a high level of education?
      1. vervolk
        vervolk 25 December 2021 11: 52
        +8
        in hypersound and icebreakers at least b) wipe yourself off)
        1. lis-ik
          lis-ik 25 December 2021 12: 09
          -22
          Quote: vervolk
          in hypersound and icebreakers at least b) wipe yourself off)

          Yes, we’ll go to bed, and before you sing praises to the protectorate of the Russian Federation, you should look at the real sector of the economy, at the implementation of the IMF instructions and other tricks of the pro-Western government and the president. Listen less and watch the false federal media and read more different sources, or at least look around. The entire defense industry is the remnants of a once great country, there is practically nothing of its own, as evidenced by the steadily falling export of arms, it will not be possible to modernize endlessly, and many countries have already understood this. Regarding hypersound, all this is strange, all the time different speed indicators are announced (it is growing steadily, the launch resembles Onyx), a muddy picture, however, like all the achievements of modern Russia.
          1. Kapany3
            Kapany3 25 December 2021 13: 01
            +2
            Look at the prices for yourself - 3-4 bucks a kilo of fruits / vegetables (the minimum price for an acceptable quality product) in a country where everything grows all year round? Are you serious? What is called "whose cow would moan ..."
            Wipe down further.
            1. lis-ik
              lis-ik 25 December 2021 13: 07
              -8
              Quote: Kapany3
              Look at the prices for yourself - 3-4 bucks a kilo of fruits / vegetables (the minimum price for an acceptable quality product) in a country where everything grows all year round? Are you serious? What is called "whose cow would moan ..."
              Wipe down further.

              Then tell me about the price of potatoes, and in general, I don't need to sell about the product and prices for them, I have been in grocery retail all my life and now. Apparently, the nineties have begun again.
          2. vervolk
            vervolk 25 December 2021 13: 06
            +4
            good will lying Japanese media work for you? https://inosmi.ru/social/20211225/251199845.html
          3. vervolk
            vervolk 25 December 2021 13: 12
            +2
            and yet, you are surprisingly one-sided and primitive in interpreting information. Here is a fact, for example. drop in arms exports. What do you think this is talking about? Ukraine was at one time in second place in the export of weapons in the post-Soviet republics. do you know why? just sold out the Soviet weapons remaining in the warehouses. the fact that now the export of weapons has fallen, says rather that the Russian military-industrial complex is engaged in the production of modern advanced weapons, which naturally, first of all, are used by its own Armed Forces. But for some reason such an obvious conclusion does not even occur to you. Almost the entire defense industry, 30 years later, cannot be Soviet, can you guess why? if only because. that accepting this thesis, you are also forced to admit that until 1949 the entire Soviet military-industrial complex was the legacy of the Russian empire, and this is obvious nonsense ...
            1. lacarta
              lacarta 25 December 2021 21: 37
              +1
              Quote: vervolk
              you are also forced to admit that until 1949 the entire Soviet military-industrial complex was a legacy of the Russian empire, and this is obvious nonsense ...

              You forget about this: “We are 50-100 years behind the advanced countries. We must make good this distance in ten years. Either we do it, or they will crush us. "- Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin On the tasks of business executives: Speech at the First All-Union Conference of Socialist Industry Workers, February 4, 1931
              This lag has been largely overcome. So your comparison, to put it mildly, is not the best.
              1. vervolk
                vervolk 26 December 2021 07: 56
                -6
                you quotes from the extended board of the Ministry of Defense give? http://prezident.org/tekst/stenogramma-rasshirennogo-zasedanija-kollegii-minoborony-21-12-2021.html if you please, almost all the same text. Now not only the lag has been overcome, but a breakthrough and a leading role have been achieved in many areas. so my comparison is quite relevant ...
          4. isv000
            isv000 25 December 2021 15: 30
            0
            Quote: lis-ik
            Regarding hypersound, all this is strange, all the time different speed indicators are sounded (it is growing steadily, the launch resembles "Onyx"),

            The launch of different missiles of approximately the same size looks different ?! fool
      2. A009
        A009 25 December 2021 11: 59
        +8
        This is a military site. Therefore, it would be correct to compare in the military spectrum. Is not it? And here clearly Russia has something to please. Let it hurt you to realize this, judging by your answers.
      3. Aag
        Aag 25 December 2021 12: 07
        -6
        Quote: David's Sling
        Alexey, and in what exactly was the notorious getting up from his knees manifested? Overtook NATO in infant mortality and life expectancy? Children of their politicians go to study in Moscow because there is a high level of education?

        The site is generally unraveled: I shake you "+", it takes off immediately -5 !!!
        This is not the first time I draw attention to this in the comments. They minus for some reason ... Some are trying to explain, they say, at the same time with whom, they put an assessment ...
        It happens that the assessment is simply ignored, the sign is changed ... Today, instead of "+", immediately -5 !.
        1. Sling of David
          Sling of David 25 December 2021 12: 30
          -13
          Alexander, that's okay. I'm not writing for the sake of advantages. You read - it's already good
          1. Aag
            Aag 26 December 2021 12: 51
            +2
            Quote: David's Sling
            Alexander, that's okay. I'm not writing for the sake of advantages. You read - it's already good

            ... Strange reaction to your comment (-15!). It seems that the comment is addressed to me ... But no, - there was a lot of "not indifferent". Why do you piss them off so much?
            I'm not going to dissemble - some of the commentators cause me ... dislike. BUT! This does not prevent me from giving them "pluses" for individual comments if they: 1) an interesting, well-grounded question sounds; 2) interesting, objective information (or a link to it) has been provided; 3) an opinion is expressed with which I agree; 4) the post is just witty.
            ... Comments with rudeness, insulting opponents, at best, I ignore, often minus (not really looking at the essence, even if it is present).
            Particular bewilderment is caused by the minus authors of the questions! A person writes - I'm not a specialist, tell me .... And they mold him, and they mold him! Nooo, "... we don't need this kind of hockey ..." (c) / N. Ozerov.
        2. Genry
          Genry 25 December 2021 12: 49
          +3
          Quote: AAG
          I shake you "+", it takes off immediately -5

          You just do not take into account that you are not alone, and while you were pressing "plus" others were pressing "minus". When you clicked, the summary information was updated.
          1. Aag
            Aag 25 December 2021 17: 22
            0
            Quote: Genry
            Quote: AAG
            I shake you "+", it takes off immediately -5

            You just do not take into account that you are not alone, and while you were pressing "plus" others were pressing "minus". When you clicked, the summary information was updated.

            How do you like this check: we take the least resonant article (with a minimum number of views, not fresh, with a double-digit number of comments under it), and we begin to mold everyone in a row "+" (well, so as not to offend anyone undeservedly) spending time only on fixing changes in the final ratings ... And we are surprised - how many more commentators, suddenly, "grabbed" on this topic!
            ... I would not raise the issue if this were an isolated case. hi
            1. Genry
              Genry 26 December 2021 04: 25
              +2
              Quote: AAG
              take the least resonant article (with a minimum number of views, not fresh, with a double-digit number of comments under it)

              In a "not fresh" article, you cannot like "not fresh" comments - the ratings are blocked.
              And in this case, the article is fresh. She was very actively read and unsubscribed.
              You simply did not update the page, but with any of your actions, it is updated with the indication of the latest results.
              Good luck! wink
        3. Aag
          Aag 26 December 2021 15: 20
          +2
          Quote: AAG
          Quote: David's Sling
          Alexey, and in what exactly was the notorious getting up from his knees manifested? Overtook NATO in infant mortality and life expectancy? Children of their politicians go to study in Moscow because there is a high level of education?

          The site is generally unraveled: I shake you "+", it takes off immediately -5 !!!
          This is not the first time I draw attention to this in the comments. They minus for some reason ... Some are trying to explain, they say, at the same time with whom, they put an assessment ...
          It happens that the assessment is simply ignored, the sign is changed ... Today, instead of "+", immediately -5 !.

          I would like to understand the motives of minus ... I'm not worried about my "rating" ... I'm trying to understand the mood of my fellow citizens (and not only).
          Is it possible that most of them are so ... influenced by the media that they do not see the obvious things happening around, in the immediate vicinity (even within sight of the sofa, with the TV off ...))).
          This, so, - in general ...
          More specifically, to your comment: well, for example, if you have never been a participant in an accident, this does not mean that accidents do not occur.
          And, you should not rely on the fact that being an expert on traffic rules, a law-abiding citizen, a driver with significant experience, and above average counter-emergency training, you are guaranteed not to be such ... Alas, you may not even be a driver, a car owner, but in an accident suffer ... I hope the allegory is clear?
          All a Happy New Year! All the best! Health, harmony, tolerance! hi drinks
      4. lucul
        lucul 25 December 2021 12: 22
        -1
        "Alexey, and in what exactly was the notorious getting up from his knees manifested?"

        Hutspa Detected.
      5. Fungus
        Fungus 25 December 2021 12: 41
        +9
        How to say. They used to survive. Dad worked for months without a paycheck. We are living well now. I live equally with my friends in Germany, Canada and Israel. Despite the fact that they receive more in dollars.
        1. Sling of David
          Sling of David 25 December 2021 12: 53
          -7
          Can you buy a four-room apartment with only 20% of the amount, and take out a mortgage for the rest at 2.5% per annum?
          1. Fungus
            Fungus 25 December 2021 13: 34
            +10
            All my friends have apartments and cars. We live well. We don't have whole neighborhoods of beggars and homeless people in tents like your masters.
          2. Botanologist
            Botanologist 25 December 2021 13: 51
            +4
            Sling, How many times in your life have you eaten red caviar, for example?
            1. Sling of David
              Sling of David 25 December 2021 14: 22
              -13
              A couple of times a week, the kids each eat
              1. isv000
                isv000 25 December 2021 15: 35
                +3
                Quote: David's Sling
                A couple of times a week, the kids each eat

                If you have it, damn it, every day, then in a week you will howl, ask for black bread ... fool
                1. Sling of David
                  Sling of David 25 December 2021 16: 48
                  -5
                  And we respect black bread very much, it will be much tastier and healthier than white bread
                  1. isv000
                    isv000 25 December 2021 20: 41
                    +1
                    Quote: David's Sling
                    And we respect black bread very much, it will be much tastier and healthier than white bread

                    In terms of calories and benefits - one to one ...
          3. isv000
            isv000 25 December 2021 15: 33
            +2
            Quote: David's Sling
            Can you buy a four-room apartment with only 20% of the amount, and take out a mortgage for the rest at 2.5% per annum?

            And I need it ??? I built a house in three floors, I feel comfortable in it ... laughing
            1. Sling of David
              Sling of David 25 December 2021 16: 50
              -6
              I'm not talking about you. Can a doctor, engineer or worker buy a 4-room apartment from you for 2.5% mortgage?
              1. isv000
                isv000 25 December 2021 20: 39
                +1
                Quote: David's Sling
                I'm not talking about you. Can a doctor, engineer or worker buy a 4-room apartment from you for 2.5% mortgage?

                I'm unemployed at all ... And don't think that my last name is Koreiko ...
              2. Aag
                Aag 26 December 2021 16: 08
                0
                Quote: David's Sling
                I'm not talking about you. Can a doctor, engineer or worker buy a 4-room apartment from you for 2.5% mortgage?

                Nnaa! Get it! (For all my, our unrealized ideas) ...
                Those people, my compatriots whom I respect and love, for the most part have already left ...
                Without snot: life, while-, continues, priorities change, respectively, -heroes ...
                Well, so, utilitarian, ... I can't help but admit the topicality, wittyness of "Comedi clab" (as well as some Zelensky's talent in KVN).
                BUT. ... I understand, the youth, apparently, will not appreciate it - there is a SEND of decency, sincerity ... I am talking about the recent anniversary of Y. Nikulin. How much kindness there is in a person !! (not spinelessness !!!!) And how many of them were there ...? Famous (Smirnov, Basov ....). And the "nameless" ...?
                Well, yes ... Where am I with a pork snout in the collar row (mortgage) ...
              3. Botanologist
                Botanologist 26 December 2021 21: 10
                0
                Sling, Yes damn it, my friends left for you back in the 90s. Why are you blowing in my ears? They sit in a kibbutz pickling olives, that's all quiet Jewish happiness.
      6. letinant
        letinant 25 December 2021 13: 32
        0
        Quote: David's Sling
        Alexey, and in what exactly was the notorious getting up from his knees manifested? Overtook NATO in infant mortality and life expectancy? Children of their politicians go to study in Moscow because there is a high level of education?

        The minute of social imbalance has passed. You have run out of your time.
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    3. isv000
      isv000 25 December 2021 15: 26
      -2
      Quote: letinant
      And now I live in the Russian Federation, which is rising from its knees.

      We went down on one knee - to relace the ankle boots! soldier
    4. kbosh
      kbosh 25 December 2021 15: 34
      -9
      Not this way.
      As a child, you lived in a miserable utility unit at a military unit ... Since the information, like there, behind the fence, was very limited, you thought that it should be so ...
      Then, you lived in a post-revolutionary state, which, although it was poor, because the revolution always brings chaos for some time, but had a good chance to become a normal European country, with a decent standard of living, some kind of equality before the law etc. But, yours and people like you, nostalgia for the strong hand of the owner
      led to the construction of not even a neo-feudal state, but a banal Asian despotism. With class division and impoverished or extremely poor bulk of the population.
      And the most important thing. There will be no getting up from your knees. The standard of living will continue to fall, government institutions, science, etc. will degrade. The nuts will tighten.
      If yesterday the blogger was put in prison (he ha @ n, but he doesn’t last for 4 years), then tomorrow they’ll put your friend in jail. There is a reason. A plan for terrorists or extremists to close, for example.
      To support their own legitimacy, those in power will come up with more and more analogue achievements, which, even in the eyes of the average man, will seem more and more ridiculous ...
      So for you as well as for your children. Endless preparation for war and rallying around the elite (national leader) living in some insane luxury. The meaning of existence. Alas ... Russians live, are born and die, for this good purpose ...
      Something like this. ;)
      1. D16
        D16 25 December 2021 17: 26
        0
        Something like this. ;)

        No not like this. Is there anything to add about the first flight of the MC-21 with its native carbon fiber? lol
      2. Gardener91
        Gardener91 25 December 2021 17: 38
        0
        Quote: kbosh
        The meaning of existence. Alas ... Russians live, are born and die, for this good purpose ...
        Something like this. ;)

        This is a manual, bravo! I've met a lot of similar rubbish poured into my ears, but this is a masterpiece.
    5. iouris
      iouris 26 December 2021 13: 46
      0
      Didn't the little bird start singing "URAAAA !!!" too early?
      Begin in an undertone and hurray to yourself. Then "hurray hurray hurray". Etc.
  13. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 25 December 2021 11: 32
    +20
    That's what I wrote about ... Why was the supply of carbon fiber to Russia banned? To stop the production of CFRP in the country? What have you achieved? That now CFRPs have learned to do themselves, and not only in MS-21 we will use ... IMHO, there was an underestimation of the opponent. And so in everything. Does the collective West really think that we are eating cabbage soup? Sometimes, while making a report at a conference, I really came across such mistrust. Well, how can you do it, you are retarded !!! True, having received our products, they wrote enthusiastic reviews ...
    1. Rubi0
      Rubi0 25 December 2021 11: 43
      -7
      Of course not, they just cleared the market from competitors for at least 7 years by imposing sanctions on carbon fiber. while the plane is on stream come up with a hybrid engine or whatever, start over. For the domestic market it will still work, but on the world market you can't cut money
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 25 December 2021 11: 55
        +9
        Quote: Rubi0
        For the domestic market it will still work, but on the world market you can't cut money

        What does the market have to do with it? MS-21 is the plane for our domestic market. Well, for China, Iran and whoever else wants it. It is intended to squeeze out Boeings and Airbases from Russia, and not to seize the international market. For this, PD-14 is also put on the series.
        A hybrid engine on turbojets? It's hard to even imagine. On turboprop and helicopters - another matter.
        1. Genry
          Genry 25 December 2021 13: 03
          +6
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          What does the market have to do with it? MS-21 is the plane for our domestic market.

          Even for the domestic market there was a delay of a couple of years and foreign manufacturers were making a profit, while the domestic ones suffered loss of profits and an increase in loan payments.
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          It is intended to squeeze out Boeings and Airbuses from Russia, and not to seize the international market.

          "A bad soldier who does not want to become a general."
          MS-21 was created as a real competitor of foreign aircraft, therefore it has all the economic opportunities to enter the foreign market. Political obstruction and unfair competition are already facts of hostility and greed of the West.
          1. D16
            D16 25 December 2021 17: 42
            +4
            "A bad soldier who does not want to become a general."

            You can, of course, want to, but the general has his own son. laughing
            Therefore, not a single foreign operating AK will change onto someone else's plane. If it is based on traditional physical principles, of course. laughing
            1. Genry
              Genry 26 December 2021 04: 43
              -5
              Quote: D16
              not a single foreign operating AK will change onto someone else's plane.

              Besides the USA (Boeing) and the EU (Airbas), there are other countries with a lower level of attachment or solidarity to them. They are more interested in economics than politics or blunt sanctions.
              1. D16
                D16 26 December 2021 10: 18
                0
                Besides the USA (Boeing) and the EU (Airbas), there are other countries with a lower level of attachment or solidarity to them. They are more interested in economics than politics or blunt sanctions.

                What does AK care about politics? They are interested in economics. Therefore, in the United States there are AKs tightly seated on Airbases, and in Europe, on Boeings. The point is not at all about solidarity, but about discounts, maintenance, timely repairs, training of pilots and those. staff. Well, kickbacks for leadership, how could it be without it laughing ... The story with AK Dobrolet EMNIP is the only example of "stupid" but very effective sanctions. Its leadership considered the option of switching from 737NG to conditionally its own SSZ, but in the end the AK was called "Victory" wassat and caved in to the requirements of the EU.
        2. Rubi0
          Rubi0 26 December 2021 10: 13
          -2
          Do you understand in general that such high-tech products as aircraft cannot pay off on the Russian market with a capacity of 150 million? read at least some literature on economics
    2. Dikson
      Dikson 25 December 2021 11: 50
      -6
      Against the backdrop of this victory, the strange story of the T-500 somehow subsided .. And there was a bucket of money, 2,5 billion .. and 10 ready-made cars .. disappeared ..)) and promised -160 .. funny, isn't it?
      1. vervolk
        vervolk 25 December 2021 12: 02
        +8
        today Google was fined 5 billion, that's funny)
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      3. D16
        D16 25 December 2021 17: 54
        -4
        Against the backdrop of this victory

        By the way, you're right. this is indeed a victory. As for the "disappeared" T-500s, who will let these bailiffs enter the security plant?
        but they promised -160 ..

        Did anyone buy them? I strongly doubt that. A paraglider with a motor is our everything.
    3. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 25 December 2021 12: 45
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Why was the supply of carbon fiber to Russia banned? To stop the production of CFRP in the country? What have you achieved? That now CFRPs have learned to do themselves, and not only in MS-21 we will use ...

      And if the reformers, who were talking about buying everything in the West, immediately tied (Stolypin's) ties, then there would be no need to invent a lot ...
    4. isv000
      isv000 25 December 2021 15: 37
      -2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      That now CFRPs have learned to do themselves, and not only in MS-21 we will use ...

      Are we going to do the same now with rods ?! wassat
      1. Genry
        Genry 26 December 2021 04: 50
        -4
        Quote: isv000
        Are we going to do the same now with rods ?!

        Do - do !!!
        And before, none of the imported raw materials interfered.
  14. dnestr74
    dnestr74 25 December 2021 11: 48
    -11
    Why are the wing tips not bent like all modern liners? It's just interesting, because the effectiveness of this scheme has been proven.
    1. A009
      A009 25 December 2021 12: 01
      +6
      Because they answered this question. There are parsing on the network. Here the wing layout is the best aerodynamic quality.
    2. dauria
      dauria 25 December 2021 12: 15
      +12
      after all, the effectiveness of this scheme has been proven.

      A bit wrong. Ending (winglets) like everything in aviation is a double-edged sword. Sometimes the harm from them is more beneficial. The same effect will give wing lengthening, twist (aerodynamic or geometric), a different profile at the tips. And an airplane is not only aerodynamics, but also strength and manufacturability. So they choose. There is also a limitation in scope
      according to international rules for classes.
    3. sifgame
      sifgame 25 December 2021 14: 07
      +6
      Here is everything about winglets in a very understandable language, including why they are not on the MS-21
  15. askort154
    askort154 25 December 2021 11: 52
    +8
    Here is another stage passed in import substitution. A good indicator for the accusations of "all the scum". Another stage of dependence on Western
    suppliers. Not only have we introduced our composite into aviation and rocketry, we have also introduced it into the navy. Several minesweepers have already been built. And in general - "composite" is no longer a problem in Russia. And that "composite" on the "Vanguard", withstanding temperatures of 3500 degrees, was a surprise for the directors of the "sanctions".
  16. ViacheslavS
    ViacheslavS 25 December 2021 11: 53
    +4
    A very cool achievement, especially since, thanks to the US sanctions foreign policy and the market is not bad, it may well form for MC-21
  17. Chikua
    Chikua 25 December 2021 12: 09
    0
    Something about the machines did not say anything ... After all, they can impose sanctions?
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  18. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 25 December 2021 12: 16
    +3
    Well done !!! It was difficult, but we managed.
  19. fa2998
    fa2998 25 December 2021 12: 18
    -3
    Quote: Cosm22
    Those. is it already possible to sing waste to Boeing and Airbus?

    Quote: Cosm22
    Those. is it already possible to sing waste to Boeing and Airbus?

    Somehow, people from the same Boeing get profit from their planes. We have already spent billions from the pockets of taxpayers, and we still need to "support the operation with budget subsidies." request hi
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 25 December 2021 12: 35
      +6
      The law of any business, before you get it, you have to invest !!! negative
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 25 December 2021 15: 07
        -2
        I, too, am not a stupid person! And who will then get wet! And so everyone pays, without even asking, the whole country pays, even those who do not fly. And we know the laws of business - someone will make a profit! wassat
        1. D16
          D16 25 December 2021 18: 10
          0
          At the expense of profit, you got excited, to put it mildly. There is no it in aircraft construction. And none of them. All are subsidized. Better to let a bunch of people in Irkutsk receive a salary, creating their own reliable and beautiful aircraft. And we will fly them.
        2. Genry
          Genry 26 December 2021 04: 57
          0
          Quote: fa2998
          And we know the laws of business - someone will make a profit!

          The first to profit are those who simply work in this project - a huge number of jobs are created for the population of the country.
        3. Ros 56
          Ros 56 26 December 2021 11: 02
          -6
          Not a stupid person, to begin with, master the grammar of the Russian language, at least at the elementary school level.
  20. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 25 December 2021 12: 22
    +9
    Down and Out trouble started...
    I love this kind of news in the field of import substitution. Didn't want normal cooperation - suck your paw ... We can do without you.
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 25 December 2021 12: 33
    +2
    There is success to be celebrated. It's a bit late, of course, but better than nothing. good
  22. Torp20
    Torp20 25 December 2021 12: 51
    -7
    Somewhere it was written that the wing turned out to be 300kg heavier than the imported one, and this changes the technical characteristics of the aircraft for the worse - whether it was fixed or not is still unknown.
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  23. dreamshake
    dreamshake 25 December 2021 12: 59
    +3
    Bravo. By the way, the creation of the 5th generation Su-57 fighter made it possible to create composites of a new level
  24. rocket757
    rocket757 25 December 2021 13: 06
    +1
    The first flight of the MC-21-300 aircraft with a wing made of a domestic composite material took place
    To argue that this is such a leap, a leap forward ... rather, it is the restoration of previous positions, competencies on a very important topic, a branch of the national economy.
    This is already an achievement, according to the present times
    1. dreamshake
      dreamshake 25 December 2021 13: 11
      0
      No, this is exactly a breakthrough, the creation of new high-strength composite materials practically from scratch.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 25 December 2021 14: 11
        +1
        Made in the USSR: our breakthroughs and achievements in the field of composites.
        https://www.popmech.ru/science/424972-sdelano-v-sssr-nashi-proryvy-v-oblasti-kompozitov/
        If you want to know the history of the industrial development of the country, it is not difficult to find something to read ...
      2. Aag
        Aag 25 December 2021 19: 14
        +3
        Quote: Dreamshake
        No, this is exactly a breakthrough, the creation of new high-strength composite materials practically from scratch.

        Yeah, again "from scratch" ... Have you completely erased the USSR from your memory? Then take an interest in what and where was made of composites in the last century ...
        1. rocket757
          rocket757 25 December 2021 20: 35
          +1
          There are many of them ... they say they don't know, and there was nothing.
          It's just a shame for young people ... they are of course taught this way, brought up, but they could ask about the history of the development of their homeland ... you can, you can make an attempt to fix everything!
          Forgetful of the former ... it is useless to regret these, which means that old age came to them alone. It is incorrigible.
        2. dreamshake
          dreamshake 26 December 2021 14: 04
          +1
          "creation of NEW high-strength composite materials practically from scratch"
          1. Aag
            Aag 26 December 2021 14: 33
            0
            Quote: Dreamshake
            "creation of NEW high-strength composite materials practically from scratch"

            I understand you perfectly. hi
            For plywood, by definition, is also a composite.
            Let's try to be more precise in the wording, you see, a lot will become clear! hi
            Holiday greetings! (And give us ... mutual respect, understanding! And there, you see, and unity will be formed!).
    2. D16
      D16 25 December 2021 18: 26
      0
      To claim that this is such a leap, a leap, forward ... rather, it is a restoration of previous positions,

      How long have we had such positions? I don’t remember.
  25. Keyser soze
    Keyser soze 25 December 2021 14: 12
    +5
    Offtopic - I don't understand how to write correctly in Russian - composite / composite or composite / composite? Or a doublet form?
    Thanks in advance. I will have to pay VO, for private Russian lessons ... laughing
  26. faiver
    faiver 25 December 2021 14: 49
    0
    When will it fly on the lines?
    1. Lelik76
      Lelik76 26 December 2021 02: 39
      +1
      When the certificate is received, then they will be released for the regular season. By the way, in all the news they shout about the composite wing, and the fact that this is the first production aircraft that will (at least should be) delivered to the Rossiya Airlines for some reason are silent.
  27. kbosh
    kbosh 25 December 2021 15: 10
    -6
    This is what I love about turboids. So this is optimism and an unclouded outlook on life ...
    Nobody knows how to suck the "victory" out of his finger like the Russian turbo-patriot ...
    I remember still in the XNUMXs. In the vastness of Russia, hysterical squeals about the superjet were heard. How to buy it all, all countries. How advanced it is, analogous, and so on and so forth. Even the great leader himself, having inserted the largest and most beautiful feather into his ass, spoke with pathos about a unique liner.
    And what? Almost all of the customers refused. Aeroflot kicked out with all its limbs, as best it could, from this miracle. But you won't get sick here ...
  28. Evil troll
    Evil troll 25 December 2021 15: 26
    +1
    And how much there was a stench ... they won't do ... they won't be able to ... won't ... won't fly ...
  29. Lonely loner
    Lonely loner 25 December 2021 19: 41
    0
    Now we need to make a fully composite glider.
  30. Polar
    Polar 25 December 2021 19: 56
    -4
    Quote: David's Sling
    Can you buy a four-room apartment with only 20% of the amount, and take out a mortgage for the rest at 2.5% per annum?

    If this is the core of the value system, then it is flawed.

    Yes, material well-being is important, but it should not form the basis, be the most important, the only and irreplaceable measure of everything and everyone. As soon as everything begins to be measured exclusively by money and material wealth - that's it, start the countdown. However, ignoring the "rear" leads to similar consequences.

    I bought a four-room apartment at 11% per annum, the first installment was approximately the same as you described, gradually refinanced at 8%. 2.5% is far from being available in all developed countries.

    Our country has its own specifics. Give time, do not demand great shocks, do not kill the Stolypins, and many will be able to buy a four-room apartment.
  31. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 26 December 2021 10: 48
    +3
    I looked for details.
    This is the world's first medium-range aircraft, created using innovative domestic technologies.
    It is true that the composite wing "created using innovative domestic technologies" turned out to be significantly (by 300 kg) heavier than the composite wing made of "outdated foreign technologies". Apparently, the creators laid down in the project the task of reducing material consumption and weight for many years to come.
    1. Aag
      Aag 26 December 2021 13: 48
      0
      [quote = A. Privalov] I looked for details. [quote] This is the world's first medium-range aircraft, created using innovative domestic technologies. [/ quote] It's true that the composite wing "created using innovative domestic technologies" turned out to be significantly (300 kg) heavier than the composite wing made of "outdated foreign technologies". Apparently, the creators laid down in the project the task of reducing material consumption and weight for many years to come. Dear A. Privalov!
      It is understandable that there is some rejection of you personally and of your comments on this site by some of the commentators. But! What not to take away (it infuriates some), Your objectivity traced ...))).
      I could be wrong, but I got the impression that you are some kind of VO-oshny Wasserman (let such a comparison do not distort you!))).
      ... I think there are enough deferambs ...
      Attention, question!
      ... Without any subtext, it's just, I'm interested in your opinion ... If possible, - objective.: Is 300 kg critical for such a wing? I think 300 kg on medium-haul lines is about 2,5 passengers with luggage, fuel ...
      It is time.
      The second question ... Material consumption of bone, weight, and cost (production, operational) can vary greatly under different conditions and approaches ...
      Of course, anything can happen, I don’t remember the authorship anymore: "An unhealthy thing happened in Odessa, in the daytime we had a night stand!" ...
      Thanks for the interesting comments. Holiday greetings. And all the best! (Not infringing on the residents of the Russian Federation !!! soldier negative )
      drinks hi
      1. A. Privalov
        A. Privalov 26 December 2021 16: 11
        +1
        Quote: AAG
        It is understandable that there is some rejection of you personally and of your comments on this site by some of the commentators. But! What not to take away (it infuriates some), Your objectivity traced ...))).
        I could be wrong, but I got the impression that you are some kind of VO-oshny Wasserman (let such a comparison do not distort you!))).

        You see, namesake, my statements do not always follow the local mainstream. Here is the result. There is always room for interesting discussions, right?
        True, often opponents have nothing to argue. Well, if there is nothing to argue, then you can just silently, gritting your teeth minus. It's interesting to see dozens of cons appear without a single word against. There is nothing you can do about it. So be it.

        Now, regarding the subject of the article. Composite materials have been known since the time when man mixed manure from his goats, sheep or yaks with straw and dried this mixture, used it as a building material for his home. The composite turned out to be universal - it could also be heated and cooked on it.
        It doesn't matter that today carbon fibers are substituted for straw and polymer resins instead of manure.
        In the article, we were told about innovations in the domestic technology for the production of composite materials. About how $ 60 million was spent on this case.
        It is clear that this is not a matter of one day, that the material is new, this is a quarter of the way. The main thing is its tests, checks, the creation of such a serious object as an airplane wing. On the whole, in general, it is gratifying.
        Everyone just as well understands that this is not done out of a good life, but for the sake of import substitution, since technologies and thousands of composite materials have long been well known in the world and their ready-made enterprises produce them using well-known production methods. But as a result, the material is inferior to well-known foreign analogs, in some parameters there (no matter what, not in this and not in three hundred kilograms). The bottom line is that quite recently (according to historical, temporal concepts, of course), both the material itself and the technology of its production, and a whole plant with equipment could be bought, and not "reinvent the wheel" and not spend years on "innovations" ultimately failing to produce the desired results.

        I remember an anecdote more than forty years ago, when one of the research institutes of the Ministry of Food Industry was given the task to develop a new technology for the production of cow butter. The developers decided to make butter from fresh cow cakes. Large state appropriations were allocated for this. Five years later, the institute reported on the work done. It turned out that over the years all the allocated state funds had been used, that the institute had achieved certain results, the mass obtained in this way was already smeared like butter, but the color, taste, smell, etc. remained like fresh cow cakes ...

        As for the comparison with Wasserman, thanks.
        I will only note that it is bad to be smart and modest at the same time.
        Modesty does not allow one to show off the mind, and the mind does not allow boasting of modesty. Therefore, modesty is my hallmark.
        Immediately after beauty and genius, of course ... lol hi
        1. Aag
          Aag 26 December 2021 16: 54
          0
          Quote: A. Privalov
          Quote: AAG
          It is understandable that there is some rejection of you personally and of your comments on this site by some of the commentators. But! What not to take away (it infuriates some), Your objectivity traced ...))).
          I could be wrong, but I got the impression that you are some kind of VO-oshny Wasserman (let such a comparison do not distort you!))).

          You see, namesake, my statements do not always follow the local mainstream. Here is the result. There is always room for interesting discussions, right?
          True, often opponents have nothing to argue. Well, if there is nothing to argue, then you can just silently, gritting your teeth minus. It's interesting to see dozens of cons appear without a single word against. There is nothing you can do about it. So be it.

          Now, regarding the subject of the article. Composite materials have been known since the time when man mixed manure from his goats, sheep or yaks with straw and dried this mixture, used it as a building material for his home. The composite turned out to be universal - it could also be heated and cooked on it.
          It doesn't matter that today carbon fibers are substituted for straw and polymer resins instead of manure.
          In the article, we were told about innovations in the domestic technology for the production of composite materials. About how $ 60 million was spent on this case.
          It is clear that this is not a matter of one day, that the material is new, this is a quarter of the way. The main thing is its tests, checks, the creation of such a serious object as an airplane wing. On the whole, in general, it is gratifying.
          Everyone just as well understands that this is not done out of a good life, but for the sake of import substitution, since technologies and thousands of composite materials have long been well known in the world and their ready-made enterprises produce them using well-known production methods. But as a result, the material is inferior to well-known foreign analogs, in some parameters there (no matter what, not in this and not in three hundred kilograms). The bottom line is that quite recently (according to historical, temporal concepts, of course), both the material itself and the technology of its production, and a whole plant with equipment could be bought, and not "reinvent the wheel" and not spend years on "innovations" ultimately failing to produce the desired results.

          I remember an anecdote more than forty years ago, when one of the research institutes of the Ministry of Food Industry was given the task to develop a new technology for the production of cow butter. The developers decided to make butter from fresh cow cakes. Large state appropriations were allocated for this. Five years later, the institute reported on the work done. It turned out that over the years all the allocated state funds had been used, that the institute had achieved certain results, the mass obtained in this way was already smeared like butter, but the color, taste, smell, etc. remained like fresh cow cakes ...

          As for the comparison with Wasserman, thanks.
          I will only note that it is bad to be smart and modest at the same time.
          Modesty does not allow one to show off the mind, and the mind does not allow boasting of modesty. Therefore, modesty is my hallmark.
          Immediately after beauty and genius, of course ... lol hi

          Thanks for the brilliant answer !!! hi
          Well, you can, sorry, Jews!))). Wit, self-irony (!) - unlike sarcasm, self ... belittling ...
          Immediately I will make a reservation, - your people considered, at least, revered, - well, you cannot be heard for so many centuries (even in different epostases) without having objective prerequisites for that ...
          With regards to the USSR (as I understand, -You, after all, are from there / Does it oppress you? /).
          ... In the style of the current "patriots" I have to "beat you in the face" for the fact that, um ... uka, in the Irkutsk (!) Region there is no, no, and potatoes (!) ... from BV pop up, sometimes write -Israel..Believe?
          It looks like we have two opponents left on VO (for not completely blinkered, -Persals, yes Professor ..).
          I confess that both sometimes cause ... opposition.
          But Both hi their argumentation, style, inspire respect ...
          Even, sometimes, to the opponent!
          Holiday greetings! Be Good !!!!
  32. Romanenko
    Romanenko 26 December 2021 18: 51
    0
    And on this machine Petya & Wowa engines, or our PD-14 ???
    In any case, of course WITH A REASON !!!
    I just wanted the whole car to be OUR
  33. polynet
    polynet 26 December 2021 20: 01
    -2
    One wing?)) And when the second will be tested)
    1. Asad
      Asad 27 December 2021 04: 40
      -1
      Religion does not allow reading comments?