Military trucks into fire and water

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Military trucks into fire and water

“Eh, front-line path. We are not afraid of any bombing ... "- this song of a military chauffeur is known to many, and now we are not talking about the chauffeur. And about what he drives.

Today, for some reason, it is customary to talk more about tanks, Self-propelled guns, airplanes. Seeing here an article about steam locomotives, I decided not to be silent. Of course, the guys from VOSO are steel rollers, but we, the drivers in big green cars, are no thinner. And where there are no rails, there we are. So a steam locomotive or a diesel locomotive there - they will take any cargo to point "B", but then further ... Tushnyak to the kitchen, and the shells to the cannon - this, excuse me, is us. Always sleepy guys with always dirty hands.



I served in the FSO, deputy commander of an auto platoon. Why did I change the contrabass to a jeep - separate story, to which, perhaps, we will turn to.

But today I would like to propose to talk on such a specific topic as aptitude.

That is, is it possible, if necessary, to seat a man in a military truck with a driver who did not control a unit more complicated than the Kia Rio?

Those who have passed the school of the Togliatti Automobile Plant, I sincerely ask you not to start, you just easily master anything.

And here's a question for you: with proper training, will our fighter be able to quickly, within a few minutes, understand the enemy's technique? In the sense - if necessary, speaking sublimely, to master, roughly speaking - to hijack and use?

Do not "blunt" in such a situation when you have to work on the machine with your hands and feet, without a head. Well, almost without a head.

Let's talk about trucks.

How easy it is to master them, to drive away if you wish, I would like to serve on this. It's easier than emptying a bucket of gasoline.

Who are we going to look at?

The first country is naturally ours.

Well, firstly, we live here and we are interested in the state of affairs in our army, and secondly (I’ll underestimate it now), we understand a little bit about military technology.

The second country where technology is also not stupid is Germany.

Next, let's take our eternal confrontation - the United States.

But we must turn our eyes to people with a different mentality - Asian. Since we are border guards between the worlds of the West and the East, and we already have two western cars, then we take two eastern ones - the Land of the Rising Sun and the Celestial Empire.

So, let's get started.

Japan



Self-defense forces. karhu53.livejournal.com

As usual, Japanese military trucks are Isuzu cars.

It happened so historically and from above they finished off the post-war decisions. Toyota, Mitsubishi and Hino dismantled their reparation plants. Nissan and Toyota begged the American administration to make cars, but Isuzu quietly made trucks. But there was not much demand. And then - here you are, the Korean War.

To whom the war, and to whom and his mother. Here it is a surge in the economy and demand. And a giant has survived to this day - an auto concern that supplies equipment for the self-defense forces. The machines used are Type 73 and Type 81 (there is very little information).

Let's reason.


Type 73. Photo deviantart.com


Type 81. Photo wikimedia.org

What does a military driver care about?

That's right, like any other soldier - you want to live.

So, cabover cars leave less chance of life for the driver. That is why ZILs and "Urals" were massively imported to Afghanistan, and KamAZ trucks were called back. For reasons of chauffeur-saving.

And here we also have a semi-glass cabin, so that it was more convenient to park at the parade. I agree.

What about security? Or will the women give birth to new soldiers?

Not the best approach for me.

Have you noticed this clearance? Well, how is that?

Mockery.

Constantly running with a cable and a winch, but "comrade warrant officer, I have to pull me ...". Brrrr, it’s unpleasant to imagine screaming over the convoy of a stuck platoon of drivers. And driving foolishly is even worse, the bridges are out, look, low-low.

Twin wheels? Seriously?

I agree that the twin wheels allow for increased ride comfort and load capacity, but ... on a flat road.

And what is the point of comfort for a soldier?

And off-road, and where else can he go, this, on the contrary, is bad. The permeability is worse, the replacement is more difficult, and judging by the photo, it was decided to forget about the pumping of the wheels.


In the cockpit. Photo wikimedia.org

Internals.

Everything is simple and military-style restrained. But a tenacious gaze sees the absence of a hatch. But this is bad. Ventilation is superfluous, and in general, from an overturned car, there will be another way to dump.

But then it comes down - the roof is tented, that is, the protection of the driver's head is a tarp?

This helmet should always be worn. Conveniently.


Levers. Photo wikimedia.org

Now the controls.

The steering wheel is round, there are no questions here, the dashboard is readable. The box is exactly in the middle - the car is two-seater. It is very similar in type to our GAZ-66, only you don't need to twist your hand like that.

By the way, the outdated Isuzu is now being tested in Ukraine, where it is preparing to replace the GAZ-66, but it somehow gets stuck in the sand during testing. And the outdated "shishiga" drives on. For write-off.

But that's not the point. And about a modern truck.

Could a fighter have hijacked him?

Yes.

Is it difficult to manage?

I would say a little uncomfortable (switch speeds with the left hand), but after a minute and a half it will be easier.

Why?

As you can imagine, the red lever is exactly what you need to switch.

Where to?

Yes, there is a diagram on the dashboard. But this is an outdated cockpit, and our imaginary hijacker will get:


Automatic transmission. Photo wikiwand.com.

That is why I said “it will be difficult for the first minute and a half”. Translate hieroglyphs in the brain into familiar concepts. Then move the machine to the "drive" and "gas to the palace" mode. But do not accelerate quickly - there is a limit of 105 km / h. He won't go any faster. Although a diesel V8 could accelerate the car faster.

But 8 570 kg the weight of the car and 22 people on board will not agree to go faster. 7 150 cm of body length can support 6 tons of off-road cargo. That is, the gold of the party and the archive of death can be taken out.

Now let's get back to the first questions.

Could you steal?

Easily.

I would like to serve on this - no. The car is useless. Will not cope with the tasks. In the city, maybe, but ... you yourself understand.

Germany



Bundes. Photo daydaynews.cc

The German always knew how to make things, but, as we know, they burned well in a ditch. But we do not stir up the old, but we look at the modern.

What will surprise you?

Bulk trucks, according to my information, are Unimog and MAN.

Let's consider.

"Unimog". Mercedes-Benz "Unimog". A truly legendary car with well-known characteristics of bridges and interlocks. And what kind of civilian campers they make is generally chocolate, but this is not about travel, but about a difficult soldier's shoulder strap.


Unimog-1300L. Photo mobile.de

Extremely passable car. But we are not talking about the performance characteristics of the device, but let me remind you: “Could you ride this one without training (steal it) and would like to serve on this one?

So that's it. It looks like a standard truck. And in some ways even cute. Here the Germans have historically paid a bit of attention to their appearance. The car should be such that it is not a shame to publish on the page of the magazine, they say, “Our gold ride with comfort. Will give ist feselo and sadorno "!

The car is high enough, in appearance - light, high, passable. (Stirlitz, we will take).

On the topic of the smoothness of the body lines, we will not go over, but move on to the vital.

Was it comfortable for me, as a soldier, in such a car?

Fast forward to the cockpit.


Unimog-1300L. Photo mobile.de

Everything is as simple as it should be in a military machine. The sunroof allows you not only to breathe air, but also to leave the cab when it gets "very hot" in the nearest ditch. The gearshift lever is logical.

Has 8 forward speeds and ... Where is R? Or are the Germans like kamikaze - just forward?

But below there is a lever, like in a bike (UP / DOWN), it is clear (okay, I just know, I was sitting) that it must be moved to the desired position, and the car will go forward or backward. As necessary for the driver (less often) and his commander (more often, but more unpleasant).


Unimog-1300L. Photo mobile.de


Unimog-1300L. Photo mobile.de


Unimog-1300L. Photo mobile.de

The conclusions are obvious.

The car is as simple as 5 kopecks. Yes, you can take a simple burgher, and with a little preparation he will sit behind the wheel. Everything is intuitive. Even the batteries are in the same places as on our cars. It is not difficult to leave in such a car, and the service, I do not think, would be a burden.

The machine is shorter in size than the Japanese one by a meter. Carrying capacity as much as 7,5 tons. A diesel fuel eats diesel fuel not lower than Euro-5, which allows it to accelerate to 80 km / h.

It would be nice to serve in such a machine, although the comfort and relaxation of the soldier, but the question of the quality of the filled diesel fuel remains open. At one time we flooded such that our trucks shuddered at the sight. But - we went. They smoked, smelled, but drove on.

MAN



MAN. Photo wikimedia.org

Another truck in the service of the Wehrmacht.

The truck itself is bigger than the Unimog. Not so, maybe walkable, but big and more spacious. Although the 4x4, 6x6 and 8x8 versions also allow you to overcome off-road. But the main task of this truck is to transport goods, following modern tanks. A kind of rickshaw in a modern way.

It is huge, and in the forests it cannot be covered with branches. Therefore, stealing such a truck from under the enemy's nose must be done carefully. If it is loaded, then there is a sentry somewhere nearby, keeping watch, so to speak, and also would not want to detonate (depending on what is in the back) on bumps.


MAN. Photo wikimedia.org

Such a truck was liked not only by the Bundeswehr, but also by another NATO member - the United States. And some of the trucks, exclusively with 8x8 wheel arrangement, carried nuclear missiles and engines to them. The high-powered diesel "Manovsky" engine was solidly dragging the platforms with the load.


Rheinmetall. Photo griephan.de

But you can't handle it like that with overclocking. The machine is quite complex, and you will not be able to quickly figure out the levers, buttons and switches.

China



Norinko. Photo defense-blog.com

Here I will say this - everything is complicated.

Why?

Yes, either KamAZ - Typhoon is in front of us, or - Norinko. They love to copy. And when they copy the foreman, here it will be difficult.

Like KamAZ - the bottom has a V-shaped profile and explosion protection. The wheel arrangement and location of these are a copy of KamAZ. Turbodiesel carries this armored capsule with 2 fighters in the cockpit and 16 behind.

And in order not to carry, stuck D and flooded 600 km.

The 432-horsepower engine hums, the wheels measure kilometers, and the driver steers with one hand, wipes away tears of happiness with the other, and how not to wipe it?

An automatic transmission is a convenient thing, but how will it behave in off-road conditions, mud, tank track and a cannon with a field kitchen on a trailer?

Here is the question.

But the Chinese are not stupid. Know what to copy. The 450-horsepower YaMZ engine paired with an 8-speed automatic on the Typhoon allows you to run 1 km at one refueling. Here's a copy from Aliexpress.

And in general it is difficult with them (with the Chinese): everything that you have seen in other countries is the same with them.

USA



M923. Photo wheelsage.org

There she is. "Emka". Or rather - M939.

US Army Massive Truck. The truck has just a ton of modifications. Onboard and no, tractors and specialized. These trucks continue their famous series.

What can I say about them?

Worthy.

A bonneted car, with a truly iron muzzle that can inspire respect on the road.

The cars have reliable diesel engines of 250 horsepower, of a fairly large volume: from 8,3 liters to 14 liters. Automatic transmission. Outwardly, there is a similarity with Soviet trucks - "Ural" and KrAZ. Something evokes thoughts about these cars, looking at the "American".

It would seem - a truck like a truck. The brand is just different, but no. There is one curiosity here. These trucks can be easily converted into different modifications. Onboard - here it is, a technician - yes, please, a dump truck - if you please.

If you want to put a Browning machine gun on it - please. Rocket launcher - do not deny yourself this. And here the most interesting thing is the gun-truck. Yes, these trucks were converted into them, and even ready-made kits for conversion into a gun truck were produced.

Armed armored truck. A sort of machine of the Apocalypse. Well, cool.

And then the question arises - how is it possible for the Americans to have everything so smoothly?

And I will answer - not everything is so, to the general joy.

The cars had technical problems.

Half of the fatalities in the army are for these trucks. Either ABS will work earlier, and the car falls on its side, then the tires do not allow moving on the roads.

Indeed, during the development of the truck, off-road operation was planned in 90% of cases, but in fact - exactly the opposite. The truck moves on the asphalt. In this connection, an order was issued - not to drive more than 65 km / h. Yeah.

Well, our answers - would he hijack?

Easily.

Would you like to serve on this?

No. It's scary to drive such a typewriter.

Russia



KamAZ. Photo wikimedia.org

And what about us?

In addition to the legacy of the past, which even now will plug modern competitors into the belt, we have a family of KamAZ trucks - "Bear", "Mustang", "Typhoon" (although it, like the Chinese, can hardly be attributed to trucks - more an armored car).

Well, the "Ural" - "Land" and the cabover "Motovoz".


Ural-4320. Photo wikimedia.org

This technique is familiar to us - it does not cause problems, there is even nothing to say. Everything is very clear and understandable.

Conclusions?


On our equipment and into fire and water. 100% trust. My darling will take you out. Yes, I understand that this is not "Unimog", in which everything works like a clock, because the high accuracy of the parts, and our bumper cannot fit everything, but we take military equipment, and there it is not even considered a flaw. Moreover, by May it is all the same to smear with shoe polish.

But it is simple and understandable even for a bear. You can start and go, even if you only drove a "kid" "gig".

As for me personally, according to the experience of my service I will not trade the Ural for any even the most sophisticated KamAZ.

"Ural" is such a rattler, next to which all these foreign crafts do not look very serious. A harsh machine for real batching.

Because "Ural", and not "Mers" or KamAZ.

What do you think?
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  1. +19
    29 December 2021 07: 16
    Another truck in the service of the Wehrmacht.
    Bundeswehr, dear author, Bundeswehr! laughing
    But in general it is interesting, thanks for the article and Happy New Year! hi
    1. +13
      29 December 2021 07: 37
      this is a mistake according to Freud! genetic memory!
    2. +11
      29 December 2021 07: 39
      Manual for the theft of military vehicles for the course of a young soldier. Complete with more technical details and put into circulation ...
      1. +4
        29 December 2021 08: 01
        Because "Ural", and not "Mers" or KamAZ.

        What do you think?
        and on the "Geliki" trophy-majors to plant, let them drive without rules ... wassat
      2. AUL
        +8
        29 December 2021 15: 09
        I don't understand how the question is posed: will our soldier be able to steal an adversary's car? It has long been proven - in terms of communicating something, and even more so spioneering, there are no barriers for our person! Especially at the top! wassat
      3. -1
        30 December 2021 01: 27
        Quote: aleks neym_2
        Manual for the theft of military vehicles for the course of a young soldier. Complete with more technical details and put into circulation ...

        From such benefits, all saboteurs will die like flies.
    3. +2
      29 December 2021 08: 51
      He just called it by his name ...
      1. +3
        29 December 2021 09: 21
        Quote: 75Sergey
        He just called it by his name ...

        Well, by the way, in the history of Germany there were also the Reichswehr and even the Volksarmee, what about them?
        1. +3
          29 December 2021 12: 25
          MAN is now owned by Volkswagen.

          (Automatically translated from English. Below is the original commentary in English)

          MAN is now owned by Volkswagen.
        2. +2
          29 December 2021 13: 31
          No way, we remember this name and is associated with certain actions of the Deutschland people.
        3. +1
          29 December 2021 20: 24
          Quote: Vladimir_2U
          and even Volksarmee,

          By the way, this is the coolest German feature. Even the Romanovs still tried to persuade Friedrich, you will finally disperse this folk army of yours .. It is dangerous to give the cattle weapons in hand, and even to collect them in battalions ..
          1. 0
            30 December 2021 03: 23
            Quote: Saxahorse
            It is dangerous for cattle to give weapons to their hands, and even to collect them in battalions ..
            They brought radiant nobles from Russia and glory to TNB. And Volksarmee was in the GDR.
            1. +1
              30 December 2021 03: 39
              Quote: Vladimir_2U
              And Volksarmee was in the GDR.

              You will not surprise with the People's Army in the USSR either. But in Prussia and Kaiser Germany it looked very unusual. Moreover, the Germans clearly benefited from this, the level of training of the German army was always higher than that of its neighbors.
  2. +10
    29 December 2021 07: 27
    There are many professional drivers in the family, but I myself am only half a km on the Dnieper-10. But the article. read it with PLEASURE! Great! Interesting, informative and humorous!
  3. +5
    29 December 2021 07: 36
    It is interesting to read. Did the Urals not absorb American genes from Lend-Lease cars?
    1. +5
      29 December 2021 08: 07
      From lend-lease cars nothing, but from the "grandfather" ZIS-5 got American genes, which are immediately noticeable - these are wings! Line: ZIS-5, URALZIS-5, URALZIS-355 (does not fit because of the cockpit), and finally Ural. (It seems to have confused nothing).
      1. +1
        29 December 2021 09: 16
        ... think, wings ... also to me, a unique system)))
    2. 0
      29 December 2021 08: 11
      Hardly .. One cardan scheme, permanent four-wheel drive, such a primitive justified by the time they did not do
  4. +13
    29 December 2021 07: 36
    Ural 377 semitrailer-dump truck, I finished driving school for a month, I slowly drive up to the traffic police post, I bravely slow down ..... rolls on, like an intern taught, I count up to five, the car finally braked the barrier to the side of the road as it rested against the wall, dust stone from the back, mate of a traffic cop - my first car accident ...
    1. +5
      29 December 2021 08: 02
      Quote: Siberian54
      Ural 377 semitrailer-dump truck, I finished driving school for a month, I slowly drive up to the traffic police post, I bravely slow down ..... rolls on, like an intern taught, I count up to five, the car finally braked the barrier to the side of the road as it rested against the wall, dust stone from the back, mate of a traffic cop - my first car accident ...

      "Ural" certainly knew how to slow down .. almost from the cockpit you do not go out into the wind farm. laughing but in terms of pro-passability, "shishiga" did not know equals, yes ... twisted.
      1. -1
        29 December 2021 08: 22
        weight categories are different, it's like comparing our simple UAZ with a Kruzak ...
        1. 0
          31 December 2021 21: 40
          Have you seen the first Land Cruiser ... like our gas-69
          1. 0
            31 December 2021 21: 47
            I saw, but we're not talking about them, but about carcasses 80, 100, 200
      2. +4
        29 December 2021 20: 28
        Quote: Aerodrome
        but in terms of pro-passability, "shishiga" did not know equals, yes ... twisted.

        Oh, nafig .. Diesel Urals have always dragged Shishiga along with them when they again climbed into the swamps .. MT-LB drives!
        1. 0
          30 December 2021 01: 30
          Quote: Saxahorse
          Quote: Aerodrome
          but in terms of pro-passability, "shishiga" did not know equals, yes ... twisted.

          Oh, nafig .. Diesel Urals have always dragged Shishiga along with them when they again climbed into the swamps .. MT-LB drives!

          I agree.
          Shishigi's passability is exaggerated many times over.
          Ural and KamAZ make Shishiga like a heating pad.
  5. +8
    29 December 2021 07: 42
    For a long time, behind our house there is a green one: "Nino". Probably you did?
    I am in a good mood and I want to be mischievous
    1. +2
      29 December 2021 09: 48
      I remembered: "the mischievous monkey."
      Until she was mischievous that the main one poured
    2. +1
      29 December 2021 11: 06
      I remembered: "the mischievous monkey '". Home now "educates" the pig. The main son recently married, and the mother-in-law and daughter-in-law love to "build". How he gets into a fight with his daughter-in-law and starts fooling the girls
  6. +8
    29 December 2021 08: 01
    That is, is it possible, if necessary, to seat a man in a military truck with a driver who did not control a unit more complicated than the Kia Rio?
    - in 90% of cases, no, both for imported and domestic military trucks ... hi
    And an article in credit, respect to the author good
    1. 0
      29 December 2021 09: 17
      -dimensions?
      1. +7
        29 December 2021 09: 28
        not only, if the Internet does not work for a young tick-toker, then he may not find how to remove the truck from the parking brake, he also hardly heard about such a concept of how to pump fuel, there are enough small nuances ...
        Plus, we remember that now there are many drivers of "submachine gunners", i.e. those for whom a manual gearbox and clutch release ala Chinese literacy ...
  7. +2
    29 December 2021 08: 02
    The products of our car industry, it's like in that anecdote about a fly: With the loss of six paws, the fly loses its hearing. Let me remind you that two laboratory assistants tear off the paws of a fly in turn, but it still crawls. The professor enters the laboratory, the students tore off the last paw, the flies do not crawling. Laboratory assistants have a question why flies do not crawl? Professor: A fly does not creep because it has lost its hearing.
  8. +11
    29 December 2021 08: 30
    I forgot about the old people, but they probably still exist, I mean the ZIL-131, the car was a thing !!
    1. +8
      29 December 2021 08: 38
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      I forgot about the old people

      Gas-63 - he turned the steering wheel for two years, ZIL -151, ZIL-157 - how many years they served!
    2. +3
      29 December 2021 08: 45
      Not for sure, but to the point! aerial platforms, onboard, even KUNGI! Civilian cabins are already faded! dirty pale blue!
      1. +5
        29 December 2021 09: 35
        Quote: serg.shishkov2015
        Not for sure, but to the point!

        We still go hunting on the 131m kunga. The beast is a technique. If you do not load more than 3 tons, it crawls and crawls good
    3. +8
      29 December 2021 09: 38
      Quote: Andrey VOV
      I forgot about the old people, but they probably still exist, I mean the ZIL-131, the car was a thing !!

      The 157th was cooler ... my hands were already aching ...
  9. +9
    29 December 2021 08: 57
    Ural is definitely dear, simple and unkillable ... I fell in love with this car in the second company
  10. +6
    29 December 2021 09: 00
    One question remained unanswered - will a modern rider be able to leave on such a technique?
    I am familiar with cars since childhood, I thoroughly know their device, but I only drove in cars. And it was very difficult for me to drive the GAZ-51. Pre-service after winter and start - no question. But to leave, no (by leaving, I mean not in 1st gear with a roar and twitching).
    1. +1
      29 December 2021 09: 30
      I just mentioned this above ...
    2. -1
      30 December 2021 20: 11
      There are chances, but if you didn't install an immobilizer. laughing
    3. +1
      6 January 2022 12: 13
      Actually, in the 80s, after a penny, I got behind the wheel of the Urals and ... drove off without any problems. I fit into the first turn with an interference, and then everything is fine ... But with reverse gear, yes, you can't really see anything, only mirrors. There were no particular problems with shishiga, except for the inconvenience of transmissions, but it took half an hour at most, well, reverse gear ... well, I can't when nothing is visible in the cabin mirror ...
  11. +4
    29 December 2021 09: 01
    American Observer: Defending Ukrainian Sovereignty Is Not Worth Unleashing A War Against Russia With NATO And The United States
    And military drivers, repairmen, and suppliers have one universal answer - EASIER, EASIER!
  12. +3
    29 December 2021 09: 18
    I liked "Unimog" .. This is, if you want to ride.
    1. +3
      29 December 2021 17: 35
      Probably, I will go "against" the opinion of the majority, but the article seemed one-sided. The author looked for at least some flaws in imported cars and let them pass from ours.
      The same Unimog. This is a legend. "Shishiga" was created with an eye on him. In terms of cross-country ability, "Mers" makes our GAZ 66. The author did not find any other drawbacks like fuel.
      And imagine the NATO (even our, gouging - conscript) for the first time in the cabin "66" ?!
      They are going crazy trying to turn on the gear!
      KamAZ is a cabover. It is said about mines. Accident by brand - and which of our cars most often get into accidents? What is the most unfortunate according to these criteria?
  13. +2
    29 December 2021 10: 06
    Stop, and a theoretical German means "Ural" will steal if possible.
  14. +3
    29 December 2021 10: 08
    Eh, I still remember "shishiga" with love! Simple and reliable all-weather "rogue"!
  15. +11
    29 December 2021 10: 33
    Superficially.
    The Chinese have an order of magnitude more trucks in the troops - DongFeng, Sinomash Howo FAW


    There are copies of the Ural.

    There are copies of Mercedes.


    There are copies of Steyr.
    There are copies of Isuzu and American cars.
    The Chinese have tried the entire world auto industry.
    Despite the abundance of automobile brands entering the PRC army, a number of bridges, engines and transmissions are standardized to a certain extent, especially with regard to road versions of trucks for hard surfaces - these are versions of civilian trucks. The transmissions are basically the American Eton-Fuller version (unsynchronized - dual-clutch switchover).
    But there are also different versions of the copied transmissions.
    Engines are also from several lines: for example, the most massive series - ten-liter WD165 - WD10 with a capacity of 165 to 285 hp. trace their history back to Steyr engines. A very good, reliable and long-life engine - YaMZ will not come close in terms of reliability, especially in terms of efficiency.
    More modern 12 liter WP12 430-460 hp series. used on heavy tractors.
    China is developing its own engines and is infinitely (more and more every year) ahead of engine builders from Russia.
    For example, civilian versions of KAMAZ vehicles are 1.5-2 years old and throw away, similar to Chinese Howo, dongfeng, sinomash - 3-4 times more reliable and with a much greater resource.

    As noted above, the Chinese have copies of the previous Urals - I think they are comparable to the quality of the Russian ones. In terms of engines, the Chinese will obviously be better (YMZ is a shame for the domestic engine building).
    On the drive axles - at Chinese exhibitions such as Baum Chin, held in Shanghai, it is immediately clear that in order to assemble your truck, you only need your own frame - choose from 20 axle manufacturers, 10 transmission manufacturers, 7 engine manufacturers - and you will get a car with necessary functionality - off-road road silt (by the way, two-wheel drive transmissions are not so easy to buy on the market, many of them are produced only by defense enterprises and are many times more expensive than civilian versions)
    1. +9
      29 December 2021 16: 26
      Modern YaMZ is a Renault Dixie-11 license, which the French have long forgotten. But I like the YaMZ-238, it's really old. Now they were hanging on him so much, but for what, I do not understand. The photo shows ZIL rather than Ural. The Urals have cool brakes, pneumatic hydraulics, very fragile. If the springs in the compressor, in the suction valves break, you go to hell and thank God if you didn't take anyone with you.
      1. +2
        30 December 2021 12: 37
        Quote: Free Wind
        I like YaMZ-238, it's really old. Now they hung on him so much, though for what, I don't understand.

        Yes - how many I removed them from krazes, how many I bet, how many of them went to the capital ...
        A good engine for the army, when the car costs more than it drives and fuel consumption is not important. ATZ at the crashes are airfield, they drove a lot and often during the Soviet era and the engine resource flew away with terrible force - they just went over it, one and a half or two years and again to the capital - well, he did not work even 5000 hours before a thorough overhaul. The same Chinese WD10 runs up to 20000-23000 hours without a capital. They promise 30000 engine hours, but 20000-23000 m / h is an excellent result, even Cummins shows about the same resource.
        Yes, and with the quality of YaMZ in different ways - for example, a friend from St. Petersburg said that they bought an AST-2018 mobile welding unit in 4, there is a YaMZ-238 in the box for the generator drive - so on two new ASTs, both engines rattled, one wedged out - defective (operating time less than 370-500 m / h).
        Upon opening, it turned out that both have rawhide (not hardened) cylinders - the walls of the cylinders are lifted up. Who would have thought? - It says a lot about the quality management system at the plant.
        Quote: Free Wind
        The photo shows ZIL rather than Ural.

        Part from the Urals, part from ZIL - our mechanic climbed it :))
  16. +15
    29 December 2021 11: 03
    Ural-4320 is yes, Ural-375 is already a legend, ZIL-131 is a myth, ZIL-157 is something from the Bible, GAZ-66 is an off-road archangel.
    1. +1
      30 December 2021 16: 50
      Legend "375", with a tank of 300 liters. 93rd gasoline ... uuuh, as if he fled himself up the hill, and a kung with a station, an antenna on top ... much higher it was necessary ...
      4320 ran more vigorously in a column, but, with an increase in height above the sea, it became more difficult for him - diesel, he needed more air, which is smaller with each meter up.
      And the brakes on the 375, of course, are not even for recruits studying at DOSAAF.
      Air hydraulic.
      With thoughtfulness, in a few moments, everything became a stake if you just squeezed the pedal ...
  17. +3
    29 December 2021 11: 56

    In the Russian Federation, not enough attention is paid to protected cargo vehicles - with self-unloading and self-loading.


    Such a self-unloading device by an order of magnitude reduces the time spent by the vehicle in the unloading area and, accordingly, the likelihood of injury.
  18. +1
    29 December 2021 12: 02
    Unimog-1300L. It is not clear how to change gears on the 8th mortar without a divider? On the 6th mortar, everything is clear 1-2 to the left of oneself or towards oneself, 3-4 in the center, 5-6 to the right and forward or to the right and back. And how to choose a gear on the 8th mortar?
    1. +2
      30 December 2021 01: 34
      The Kirovets tractor has 16 forward gears and 8 backward gears.
      1. 0
        30 December 2021 13: 40
        Quote: Free Wind
        The Kirovets tractor has 16 forward gears and 8 backward gears.

        There are several levers on Kirovts. Found the answer to anyone interested:
    2. 0
      30 December 2021 13: 49
      And how to choose a gear on the 8th mortar?

      Possibly a comb like on a motorcycle
      1. +1
        30 December 2021 13: 54
        Quote: Konnick
        Possibly a comb like on a motorcycle

        It turns out more cunning there, 5-6 gear can only be switched on after the 4th, it is worth blocking the gearshift lever. On the front panel, the lamps of a number of gears light up: 1-2,3-4,5-6,7-8.
  19. 0
    29 December 2021 12: 07
    Those who passed the school of the Togliatti Automobile Plant
    ... Cool, about 10 years ago I overtook my brother-in-law's car with an "automatic". I sat down without mechanics for the first time. The foot automatically searched for the third pedal. Gear lever arm. bully
  20. +6
    29 December 2021 12: 21
    Author, you are behind life for many years. In the US Armed Forces, the main machines are FMTV and MTVR a long time ago, and the M939 is no longer so easy to find.
  21. -1
    29 December 2021 12: 24
    The article is curious and informative from a professional point of view.
  22. +1
    29 December 2021 14: 47
    KAMAZ did the main thing - it unified 4x4, 6x6, 8x8 ...... At the Urals, 8x8 comes with the old Iveco cab
  23. +1
    29 December 2021 17: 29
    Again, about theft!
  24. +2
    29 December 2021 20: 05
    Article - fire))
  25. +2
    29 December 2021 20: 29
    Only Zil-157, if you fight.
  26. +5
    30 December 2021 00: 32
    Controversial conclusions, but let's start over. I am telling from the point of view of a trophy athlete, CCM and prize-winner of the Russian Cup in trophy-raids and a platoon lock in the past:
    - none of the above mentioned "foreign cars" has a centralized tire inflation. It would seem - what garbage, but no! A tire with a pressure of 0.2 kgf / cm2 behaves in a completely different way on soft swampy ground and allows you to ride where the same tire with a pressure of two "points" simply sinks "in textures" at one moment. More or less serially, I see central pumping only on more or less late "bugs", although I could be wrong. But on the M939 and unimogues it is definitely not there. Late unimog models have a compressor wiring for 4 hoses for pumping 4 wheels at the same time, BUT. You first went out and blew 4 wheels "to zeros" - this is from 6 to 8 minutes. then you went out, attached 4 hoses and inflated the wheels before driving onto the asphalt with four hoses. This, I would say, another 12-15 minutes. And if there are several wetlands along the route? The trouble. Since the 157th, we have had central pumping of wheels on all vehicles, and this is correct.
    - all of the foreign cars listed above except for MAN and unimog are crossovers like our KamAZ-6522 - a 6x6 car, but with "civilian" small tires in a single slope. A compromise between asphalt and hard off-road. On soft soils and in autumn weather in forests, these machines have nothing to do. Here, too, "ours" have an advantage. But there is a nuance. In 2011 he was in Berlin at the Luftwaffe Museum. In addition to airplanes, there is an exhibition of BAO and Air Defense vehicles, there are various vehicles based on MANs and Merciers from the 50s to the 2000s. And here's what is immediately noticeable: MANs and "Mercedes" of the 50s are made like classic normal SUVs - insanely strong and monumental bridges, huge ground clearance, checkpoints and handouts look like they will withstand a direct hit of an atomic bomb, mech-breakers, powerful frames, nothing protrudes and does not cling. On those cars - even now to the forest or on an expedition. Cab comfort? Well, at the level of KrAZ, about. But everything is primitive and reliable. Technique of the 2000s - low ground clearance, independent suspension, maximum unification with civilian vehicles. From the point of view of the Bundeswehr's mission to contain the "tank hordes of the Soviets" on the way to the English Channel, it is probably justified given the developed European road network. Attack Russia? Oh well )))))
    - Reliability? Here, I'm afraid, we are losing with a bang. I don’t know how it is now with the quality of the Urals and Kamaz trucks, but in the 90s and 2000s it was a nightmare. In the army, during the years of my service 94-96, the most reliable and most passable were the ZIL-131 and conditionally, the "bump". The Urals are heavy, KamAZ is generally a tryndets. If you planted 4310 - pick it out - only with a nuclear explosion. The designer who placed the steering rod UNDER the "nut" of the front axle - beat in hell with this very steering rod! About the reliability of the KamAZ 740 engine - as about a dead one, it is better not to say anything, especially about rubber bands and seals. In the 2000s, he worked in the timber industry as a chief mechanic, the most problem-free machine in terms of reliability was the Ural-375 with a YaMZ-236 engine. But only a deaf demon could really ride it with pleasure.
    - Comfort. In the charter, it, of course, is written about overcoming the difficulties of military service, but as an athlete I will say that comfort and fatigue are very important, especially when you are sawing for 16 hours on the road, where every stone or stump can knock you out of motion for several days if not forever. Tired, blinked - that's it, you've arrived. Everything was really, really bad with us in military trucks. Ergonomics, light, sound comfort - nothing at all from the word. Towards the end of my conscript service, our transport workers transported a lot of everything from the units that they were cutting at that time. The carriers in the company really only slept, and even then - not every night. By the time of demobilization, three young guys suffered from arthrosis and scoliosis, and one of fatigue generally caught the side of the road and turned over KamAZ, fortunately, he got off with scratches. Here, I'm afraid, "ours" lose to foreign cars and pretty much.
  27. +6
    30 December 2021 01: 26
    Something a set of some kind of fountains ...
    First, explain to VAZoood that any American army truck will not budge until it pumps the air in the system to the required 6 psi.
    Then explain to the kid how to disengage the parking brake.
    You correctly wrote about the fact that the Americans have a lot of modifications.
    The only problem is that these trucks that you drew are no longer in the US Army. They are already outdated and have been replaced by others.
    Oshkoshi, army Kenworths.
    And there are plenty of others.
    There is a whole zoo with cars.
    There is a gun, it's easier with him.
    And there are also mechanics.
    Any 13 or even 18 speed gearbox.
    And also explain to the Young kid, who only drove through the fields in his grandfather's seven, that on such machines, the clutch works only when the movement starts. On the inclusion of the first gear. And all subsequent gear changes, up and down, go without a clutch.
    By selecting the engine speed and tucking the box at the right time.
    American driving school of commercial vehicles - in a month they cannot teach this to the point of automatism.
    Automatism comes after a run of 10-15 thousand miles.

    And you mean the trouble-free hijacking ...

    Some kind of fantasies, taken from whatever ...
    1. 0
      30 December 2021 15: 20
      First, explain to VAZoood that any American army truck will not budge until it pumps air in the system to the required 6 psi

      KamAZ will not move either, by the way (unless you turn on "emergency release")
  28. +1
    31 December 2021 21: 53
    I read the comments. Hmm. There are not enough people who understand mechanical engineering technology. Cast iron, like aluminum, is never hardened. The wear-resistant cylinder liners have an insert. And the engine after a long storage must be put in order. With incomplete disassembly, the rings are buried. Ma until settled from the walls, etc., manually crank the crankshaft and the so-called cold engine run-in as after overhaul
  29. +1
    4 January 2022 12: 48
    Only two cars made me wildly delighted:
    Urals
    Cruiser 80.
    Got behind the wheel, drove out and you feel like a man. I don't care about potholes and oncoming traffic. The hood is 2 meters long.
  30. 0
    8 January 2022 17: 33
    Of course, 4320 is expensive! And you can smear your heels with shoe polish!
  31. +1
    31 January 2022 09: 25
    I am glad that Kamaz is still being made with high quality and they are not inferior in anything to other countries, they are simply handsome, it is a pleasure to take pictures of them - https://m7truck.ru/upload/resize_cache/iblock/2ff/500_700_1/2ff0df2c492163bd086d89f981c46784.jpg
  32. 0
    15 February 2022 19: 58
    The most important thing before driving the car is to wipe the dust off the headlights, treat the wheel nuts with "amiaco containing liquid", and tap the wheel with your foot. recourse
  33. 0
    12 March 2022 19: 58
    Only 4320. Extremely positive memories. Well, 131 never failed in principle.

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