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On the eve of tests: Tu-160M ​​of new construction

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Tu-160 old building


Over the past few years, Russian aviation the industry was engaged in the restoration of production of strategic bombers-missile carriers Tu-160. Recent events show that this task has been successfully accomplished. Proof of this is now the first newly built aircraft, which is now being prepared for testing. It will be followed in the near future by the next bomber.

From plans to series


The first statements about the need to restore production of the Tu-160 were made in 2015. At that time, they spoke of the need and the possibility of building fifty new aircraft in the modern modification of the Tu-160M ​​/ M2. The first cars of the new series could have entered service in the first half of the twenties.

In the same year, the process of restoration and modernization of the required production capacities, technology development, etc. began. The bulk of such work is carried out at the Kazan aircraft plant named after I. S.P. Gorbunova; a large number of other companies-suppliers of aggregates and components are also involved in the program. In particular, since 2016 PJSC Kuznetsov has been restoring the production of NK-32 engines.

All these events ended in success. Already in mid-2017, it was announced that key competencies were restored, which made it possible to start building aircraft. Then it was reported that the production of a new series of missile carriers will be able to start already in 2021.


Modernized Tu-160M ​​of old construction with new engines NK-32-02, November 2020

Later, the first aircraft of the new series were laid down at the restored capacities. One of them was completed this year, and now it is preparing for testing. In addition, work continues on the next order. It is not known how soon this side will be rolled out, but the very fact of its construction is of great importance.

Going to the test


Over the past several weeks, the media and officials have repeatedly talked about the current state of the new-built head Tu-160M ​​and about plans for testing. It is reported that the aircraft is preparing for ground and flight tests. Possible dates of the first flight are also mentioned. Moreover, some of these News, as it is now clear, did not correspond to reality.

On November 23, the Kazan edition of Business Online reported that work on the new bomber was going on "day and night." From unnamed sources, it learned the estimated date of the first flight. So, the plane should take off on December 18 - on the day of the 40th anniversary of the beginning of flight tests of the very first experimental Tu-160. At the level of rumors, it was reported about the possibility of the presence of senior officials at this event.

On November 29, new information was published by the TASS agency. According to his source, the first Tu-160M ​​is already "in the hangar, ready, refueled." By the end of the year, it is planned to carry out the first run on the factory runway. There is no first flight in the plans for the near future. The source also indicated that they are going to invite senior management to these events, and therefore the exact dates for their holding have not yet been determined.


Airplane named "Igor Sikorsky" after modernization, March 2021

Soon the information from TASS was confirmed. On December 9, Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov visited the UEC-Perm Motors enterprise, where, among other things, they discussed the program for the production of bombers. According to the Deputy Prime Minister, the first flight of the new Tu-160M ​​will take place only at the beginning of next year. The more important task at the moment he called a run with the NK-32 engines of the new series.

Thus, the general situation around the new aircraft is generally clear, although the exact dates and dates have not yet been disclosed. The bomber has already been built and is undergoing the last measures before the start of the tests. In the near future it will be tested on the ground, and this stage of checks may begin in the coming days. Full flight tests, in turn, will start next year. At the same time, the information about the first flight in mid-December, as it is now clear, did not correspond to reality.

Next stage


It is very likely that the first ground checks of the first Tu-160M ​​of the new series are underway right now. After they have been carried out and the identified deficiencies have been corrected, jogging will begin, and then the aircraft will go on to full-fledged flight tests. As part of these events, he will show flight technical and combat characteristics, as well as demonstrate the operation of all components and assemblies.

How long tests and fine-tuning of the new bomber will continue is unknown. It can be assumed that they will take a long time. The duration of the tests will be determined by the need to check and test a number of components of the new production. It is necessary to test the airframe re-assembled from scratch, the power plant of the new series, modern electronic equipment, etc.


One of the Tu-160, built from the old backlog

In this regard, work on the first Tu-160M ​​may take several months or even years. However, in this case, too, the finished aircraft, which has passed all the checks and confirmed the calculated characteristics, will be able to get into the troops during the first half of the decade - as mentioned earlier.

It is obvious that the development of the design of the first aircraft of the series will affect the assembly of the following sides. Accordingly, their testing will take less time, which will make it possible to obtain the maximum possible pace of construction and delivery of equipment.

New and updated


In its current form, the Tu-160M ​​has a number of important features, thanks to which it will be able to show increased technical and combat characteristics. The gains in performance and overall efficiency are reported to come from redesigned and completely new components.

The glider, general aircraft systems, engines and other products of the new production are distinguished by their novelty and have a full resource, which will allow the equipment to be operated for a long time. In addition, NK-32 engines, components for them and other products are again being mass-produced, which will simplify maintenance and repair of bombers.

It was reported about a cardinal update of the avionics complex, but there is no exact information on this yet. It is planned to use new means of navigation, communication and control. This will improve the operational capabilities of the equipment and ensure its integration into the current and future contours of command and control. In addition, thanks to the new equipment, the Tu-160M ​​will be compatible with existing and advanced weapons, incl. strategic.


Launching a cruise missile

Like the aircraft of the first series, the new Tu-160M ​​will be able to carry and use the Kh-55/555 cruise missiles, as well as the newer Kh-101/102 with nuclear and conventional equipment. Free-fall and guided bombs will also remain in the range of ammunition. Apparently, in the future, serial bombers will be able to receive weapon promising types still under development. Old, new and future missiles and bombs will provide a solution to a wide range of combat missions, mainly of a strategic nature.

The new missile carrier construction program is interesting not only for its technical features. Quantitative plans are also noteworthy. In the medium and long term, up to 50 aircraft will be built. First, they will supplement the available bombers, then they will become the basis of the grouping, and in the future they will completely replace the outdated equipment of the first series.

Due to this, a large and effective strike group will be created, capable of serving for the next several decades. It is highly likely that the new Tu-160M, now preparing for testing, will be in operation until 2050 or longer. The following machines, respectively, will end the service even later. At the same time, regular repairs and modernization will keep the characteristics and potential of the aircraft up-to-date.

On the threshold of the future


Thus, right now, the Kazan aircraft plant is not only preparing for testing a new aircraft, but also laying the foundation for the development of our strategic aviation for several decades to come. Obviously, the aviation industry has a special responsibility and should not rush to complete the required work if it could damage quality.

However, preparation and preliminary tests should not take long. As the leadership of industry and the country promises, in the coming weeks or even days the first run of the new Tu-160M ​​will take place, and then a full-fledged flight can be expected. It is planned for the beginning of next year - and these plans are likely to be fulfilled.
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  1. Siberian 66
    Siberian 66 23 December 2021 05: 22
    +12
    No need to rush here. The cost of making a mistake is too high. Haste is only needed when catching fleas. At Ila, the managers did not know this ..
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 23 December 2021 05: 41
      -33
      "Sikorsky" ... the aircraft of the Russian strategic aviation now bears the name of the founder of the American aircraft building company.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 23 December 2021 06: 00
        +22
        As if they did not reach the anointing of God in this matter.
        Although the Sikorsky creator of Ilya Muromets ... at that time a breakthrough bomber ... they deservedly named him after our strategist.
        1. ramzay21
          ramzay21 23 December 2021 06: 55
          +39
          Sikorsky was a great aircraft designer, but he made his choice by becoming a foreigner in every sense of the word and it is not clear to me why, having only 16 such aircraft, one bears the name of the person who created the Soviet Tupolev Design Bureau and the other the name of the creator of American helicopters? Why are there no planes named after Ilyushin, Myasishchev, Yakovlev, Lavochkin, Antonov, Mikoyan, Gurevich, Petlyakov, Sukhoi? Why are there no planes named after our aces three times heroes of the Soviet Union Kozhedub and Pokryshkin?
          1. Civil
            Civil 23 December 2021 08: 50
            +19
            On November 29, new information was published by the TASS agency. According to his source, the first Tu-160M ​​is already "in the hangar, ready, refueled."

            Why are there no planes named after Ilyushin, Myasishchev, Yakovlev, Lavochkin, Antonov, Mikoyan, Gurevich, Petlyakov, Sukhoi? Why are there no planes named after our aces three times heroes of the Soviet Union Kozhedub and Pokryshkin?

            Maybe because they were communists and worked / fought primarily not for their own pocket, but for the entire Soviet people?
            1. sanek45744
              sanek45744 23 December 2021 15: 38
              +10
              Why people are led astray. Whole KB are named by the names of these people and they are marked on each model of an airplane or helicopter.
          2. Doccor18
            Doccor18 23 December 2021 09: 29
            +9
            Quote: ramzay21
            Why are there no planes named ...

            What management, such are the names ...
          3. Secutor
            Secutor 23 December 2021 13: 02
            0
            Because today's Russia lays claim to the cultural heritage of the Russian Empire and the USSR at the same time. From here and such strange decisions as the same temple of the armed forces.
            1. sanek45744
              sanek45744 23 December 2021 15: 10
              +4
              What does the temple have to do with it?
              1. Secutor
                Secutor 23 December 2021 15: 25
                0
                He well personifies the unification of the uncombined. For example the USSR and the Orthodox religion.

                From the point of view of the Orthodox religion, there are many violations of the canons. As the saying goes, heresy is incompatible with Orthodoxy. By the way, the clergy of the Russian Orthodox Church spoke on this topic.
                1. sanek45744
                  sanek45744 23 December 2021 15: 35
                  +6
                  Well, if you thoroughly understand the ROC itself, there are a lot of strange things in scriptures and rituals. This is a question of the faith of a person as a whole, many military officers and soldiers are turning to the Old Believers. There is more by force of Russian weapons.
                  1. CTABEP
                    CTABEP 23 December 2021 19: 38
                    +4
                    Into the Old Believers? Maybe you mean paganism? There is a whole invasion of runes on the stripes / weapons / armor of fighters where we are not, but with crosses it is tight :)
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          4. bandabas
            bandabas 23 December 2021 14: 13
            +9
            Because the country is ruled by those who are still fighting the "Polovtsy and Pechenegs." Buying Turkish tomatoes in the process of "import substitution".
            1. Flank
              Flank 30 December 2021 14: 40
              -2
              To justify buying Turkish tomatoes, I will note that they do not grow very much here and if you don’t buy them, then you will be the first to express your dissatisfaction with the lack of cheap tomatoes.
          5. Ryazan87
            Ryazan87 23 December 2021 17: 16
            +9
            Maybe because he is the creator of the first Russian bomber?
          6. Wizard_57
            Wizard_57 2 January 2022 01: 17
            0
            Sikorsky was a great aircraft designer, but he made his choice by becoming a foreigner in every sense of the word ...
            I deliberately cited the example of Slashchev to show that nothing threatened Sikorsky in Soviet Russia, he just chose loot and hatred for the common Russian people instead of the Motherland.

            You know, about "dough and hatred" - these are your notions (look, primitively, in Wikipedia, how he made a living at the beginning of his emigration), but in reality, in that short historical perspective, to condemn the choice of a Russian engineer between life and death of himself and my family, I just would not have turned my tongue.
            But with your next proposal for perpetuating the memory of our outstanding Soviet aircraft designers, I completely agree.
        2. Ryazan87
          Ryazan87 23 December 2021 17: 15
          +8
          Under the anointed in Russia, the Air Force appeared in principle. And the first bomber too. And the first sortie to bombardment. So why not.
          1. Nazar
            Nazar 24 December 2021 11: 06
            -1
            Ryazanets87 - But with this "anointed" - not a single domestic internal combustion engine appeared - and Sikorsky's planes and all the others were equipped with second-rate imported engines, and that is why Germany, France, England produced tens of thousands of combat aircraft during WWI. and RI is only a few hundred hi
            1. Ryazan87
              Ryazan87 24 December 2021 11: 22
              0
              and RI is only a few hundred

              1914-17 - 5607 aircraft were produced in RI, and the production plan for 1917 was not fulfilled due to well-known events. The plan for 1918 is the release of 15 thousand units.

              For aircraft engines, of course, it was bad - about 1/3 were made in Russia (licensed samples), the rest were purchased.
              1. Nazar
                Nazar 24 December 2021 13: 04
                +4
                Ryazanets87 - Despite my age, I have never been a communist, but I think this joke is quite adequate:
                “Before the revolution, there was a church and a roadside tavern in our village. The Bolsheviks came and destroyed a tavern, built a clinic and a school, closed the church and made a library there. tavern ... ".
                This I mean that now, in the Russian Federation, as well as at the beginning of the last century in the Republic of Ingushetia, the engines for civil aviation are bad, Sukhoi suffers from the French "safrans", the newest MC-21 is certified with American PWs, even a potential replacement for the "maize" designed with imported Honewell. what is it for ? Everything went "in a circle"? If so, then on the next round can we expect the second coming of the new Bolsheviks? laughing
                1. faiver
                  faiver 24 December 2021 15: 40
                  +1
                  “Before the revolution, there was a church and a roadside tavern in our village. The Bolsheviks came and destroyed a tavern, built a clinic and a school, closed the church and made a library there. tavern ... ".
                  - five points ... and we have Russia ala the Witte project, only there is no "gold standard", but there is a dollar standard ... hi
                2. eckons
                  eckons 31 December 2021 02: 48
                  -2
                  Yes, only the Bolsheviks got a country that includes both Poland and Finland and 15 more now independent republics, And they left behind a stub. And not only territories but also factories and specialists have gone. that's why you have to suffer with the Safrans.
                  1. Nazar
                    Nazar 1 January 2022 10: 17
                    +1
                    eckons - Do not shift the "merits" of the then democrats who seized power in February 17 on the Bolsheviks - by October (when the Bolsheviks came to power) Poland and almost all the Baltic states were occupied by Germany, in Finland they had already slaughtered Russian officers and their families and even in Ukraine a "hetman" appeared, so that the Bolsheviks inherited a completely collapsed country.
                    The events of 1991 serve as a confirmation of what I wrote - as soon as the "liberal-democrats" get to power in Russia - that's it, the country crumbles to smithereens
                  2. ramzay21
                    ramzay21 2 January 2022 21: 54
                    0
                    Yes, only the Bolsheviks got a country that includes both Poland and Finland and 15 more now independent republics

                    You should at least read history before making such statements. The Bolsheviks came to power in the collapsed country.
                    Poland and the Baltic states, as well as Western Belarus, were occupied by the Germans at the beginning of 1917.
                    By October 1917, Finland, Ukraine, Armenia, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and all the present Central Asian republics were de facto separate states.
                    Through the efforts of the white bandits and their masters from 14 states, such formations as the Tambov People's Republic, the Far Eastern Republic, the Siberian Republic, and many others appeared in Russia itself.

                    The Bolsheviks, having come to power 25 years after the Civil War, returned almost all the lost territories and annexed those that were not part of the Republic of Ingushetia.
                    RI did not include the territory of modern Poland, but only Warsaw and Lublin, with regions and instead of them the Bolsheviks annexed much larger territories, this is Konigsberg with the region, Lviv, Ternopil, Ivano-Frankivsk, Transcarpathian, Chernivtsi and parts of the Volyn and Khmelnitsky regions.
                    The Bolsheviks also annexed the southern part of Sakhalin, the Kuril Islands, the Bukhara Khanate, and most of Tajikistan.

                    Yeltsin, who destroyed the USSR, left the CPSU and at the time of the signing of the Belovezhskaya agreements, he was no longer a communist, but a democrat and a liberal, like all his associates.
              2. Glagol1
                Glagol1 2 January 2022 01: 10
                0
                This is a fake source from live magazine. There was no such volume of production.
                1. Ryazan87
                  Ryazan87 3 January 2022 16: 38
                  0
                  A few more "fakes" and "live magazine" (although the sources are indicated below the table):
                  "... In tsarist Russia, A [aviation] p. [Industry] was poorly developed, there were only 15 small aircraft building and 6 engine building enterprises (Russian-Baltic Carriage Works, plants of Shchetinin, Lebedev, Anatra," Dux "," Andreev-Lansky and K ° ", etc.), to-rye were engaged mainly in the assembly of aircraft designed abroad. until 1917, only 5600 aircraft were produced.
                  Soviet military encyclopedia. / ed. N.V. Ogarkov. volume 1.M., Voyenizdat, 1976. p. 28
                  Lied too?
            2. Siberian54
              Siberian54 18 March 2022 11: 20
              0
              Trinkler engine Whose do you think?
      2. Pessimist22
        Pessimist22 23 December 2021 06: 07
        +9
        The creator of the world's first four-engine aircraft "Russian Vityaz" "Ilya Muromets" Russia 1913-14.
      3. Dart2027
        Dart2027 23 December 2021 06: 53
        +3
        Quote: Aerodrome
        the aircraft of the Russian strategic aviation now bears the name of the founder of the American aircraft company

        And thanks to whom he ended up there?
        1. ramzay21
          ramzay21 23 December 2021 09: 19
          -4
          Thanks to himself, no one forced him to flee to America.
          General Slashchev, who fought in civil war against the Bolsheviks, returned to his homeland, like many other officers and intellectuals for whom the Motherland is not an empty phrase, but this is not about Sikorsky, his hatred of the rabble was much greater than his love for the Motherland.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 December 2021 11: 00
            +6
            Quote: ramzay21
            General Slashchev, who fought in civil war against the Bolsheviks, returned to his homeland

            On January 11, 1929, Yakov Slashchev was killed in Moscow in his room at the school with three shots at point-blank range from a revolver. The killer is a cadet of the Moscow Infantry School. Unshlikhta Lazar Lvovich Kolenberg.
            1. ramzay21
              ramzay21 23 December 2021 20: 42
              -6
              On January 11, 1929, Yakov Slashchev was killed in Moscow in his room at the school with three shots at point-blank range from a revolver. The killer is a cadet of the Moscow Infantry School. Unshlikhta Lazar Lvovich Kolenberg.

              Read on on Wikipedia and you may understand why he killed him.
              Slashchev acted extremely brutally in the defense of Crimea, tens of thousands of our compatriots were killed on it, and as a smart man he understood that something like this would happen to him, but he had the courage and love for his homeland to return despite the danger that threatened him and to be useful to their homeland.

              I deliberately cited the example of Slashchev to show that nothing threatened Sikorsky in Soviet Russia, he just chose loot and hatred for the common Russian people instead of the Motherland.
              And I don’t understand how it was possible to name our combat aircraft by the name of the creator of enemy equipment that took part in battles against our soldiers and officers since the 50s of the last century?
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 23 December 2021 20: 48
                +4
                Quote: ramzay21
                Read on on Wikipedia and you may understand why he killed him.

                Because he was mentally abnormal? Seriously?
                The case was dropped and archived, and Lazar Kolenberg was released.

                The person who committed the murder is simply released. And what? Just think, suddenly his roof goes off again.
                Quote: ramzay21
                And I don’t understand how it was possible to name our combat aircraft by the name of the creator of enemy equipment that took part in battles against our soldiers and officers.

                Thank your idols, from whom he ran away.
                1. ramzay21
                  ramzay21 23 December 2021 22: 12
                  -3
                  Quote: ramzay21
                  Read on on Wikipedia and you may understand why he killed him.

                  Because he was mentally abnormal? Seriously?

                  Read further, there is an explanation
                  The person who committed the murder is simply released. And what? Just think, suddenly his roof goes off again.

                  The man avenged the murder of his brother, he did not pose a threat to society, and therefore was released.
                  Thank your idols, from whom he ran away.

                  Sikorsky, who did not accept equality with ordinary Russian people and exchanged his Motherland for loot, is not my hero, you are right. And bloody Holstein, who brought the country to three revolutions, is also not my hero.
                  My heroes took power in the collapsed country, rebuffed the bandits who imagined themselves princelings, who fooled many honest people and brought armies of 14 states to my country to kill Russians.
                  Then they turned the most illiterate country in Europe into a superpower, then your heroes came along with Hitler, whom my heroes fought back and hanged many of your heroes like dogs.
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 24 December 2021 06: 48
                    -1
                    Quote: ramzay21
                    Read further, there is an explanation

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    Because he was mentally abnormal? Seriously?

                    Quote: ramzay21
                    The man avenged the murder of his brother, he did not pose a threat to society, and therefore was released.

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    And what? Just think, suddenly his roof goes off again.

                    Quote: ramzay21
                    Sikorsky, who did not accept equality with ordinary Russian people and exchanged his Motherland for loot, is not my hero, you are right. And bloody Holstein, who brought the country to three revolutions, is also not my hero.
                    My heroes

                    Quote: ramzay21
                    Sikorsky, who did not accept equality with ordinary Russian people and exchanged his Motherland for loot, is not my hero, you are right. And bloody Holstein, who brought the country to three revolutions, is also not my hero.
                    My heroes
                    tried to build a utopia by paying for it with a huge number of other people's lives and ultimately brought the country to the shame of perestroika.
                    1. ramzay21
                      ramzay21 24 December 2021 06: 56
                      0
                      In fact, as I understand it, there is nothing to tell you.
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 24 December 2021 07: 05
                        0
                        Quote: ramzay21
                        I understand you have nothing to say
                        Well, you really have nothing but empty slogans.
                      2. ramzay21
                        ramzay21 24 December 2021 08: 59
                        -2
                        Well, I understand
                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 24 December 2021 11: 47
                        +3
                        Happy for you. You look and learn the history.
                  2. Flank
                    Flank 30 December 2021 14: 45
                    +1
                    During the time of Sikorsky's flight, most likely everyone understood that Russia would never build aircraft. That's why he fled - to build airplanes. Well, when it became clear that Russia was still building airplanes, he already had ... a mortgage, a young wife, a contract, a special services hat, the age was not the same. This is me, for example, how it happens in life, I don't know how it really was.
                    1. eckons
                      eckons 1 January 2022 19: 29
                      0
                      Golden comment. It is really easy to argue why he left, why he did not return. Why did dozens of ballet dancers, actors, scientists leave? And why didn't they come back?
              2. faiver
                faiver 24 December 2021 09: 17
                +2
                I deliberately cited the example of Slashchev to show that nothing threatened Sikorsky in Soviet Russia.
                - yeah, nothing, tell it, for example, to Porokhovshchikov, the one that invented the all-terrain tank, built the planes, or Langemaku, the real father of the legendary Katyusha ...
        2. Doccor18
          Doccor18 23 December 2021 09: 35
          +10
          Quote: Dart2027
          And thanks to whom he ended up there?

          Now it is difficult for us to talk about that time, and even more so, to judge the people of that time, but ...
          Beklemishev, head of one of the departments of the Main Directorate of Shipbuilding, Grizodubova - test pilot, Michurin, Timiryazev, Vernadsky, Tsiolkovsky, Chizhevsky, Timofeev-Ressovsky, Graftio - hydroelectric power plant construction engineer, Krzhizhanovsky, Termen - inventor, brother and sister Rosenbergs participated in the creation of the T-34 tank, Oldenburg is the head of the Institute of Oriental Studies, Zelinsky is an organic chemist, Kapitsa, Obruchev, Keldysh, Golitsyn is an academician of the USSR Academy of Sciences, Aleksandrov, Gedroyts, Pletnev is a famous doctor, professor, Krylov is an academician-shipbuilder, Fedorov -constructor of small arms.
          these did not leave ... And they continued to work fruitfully for the good of their homeland.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 23 December 2021 11: 02
            -2
            Quote: Doccor18
            Now it is difficult for us to talk about that time, and even more so, to judge the people of that time, but ...

            But everyone wants to live. And to blame those who fled back then is stupid.
            1. Doccor18
              Doccor18 23 December 2021 11: 16
              +7
              Quote: Dart2027
              And to blame those who fled back then is stupid.
              Who blames them?
              But it is also somehow unwise to call them by their names air cruisers. There are many names of those who stayed, no matter what ...
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 23 December 2021 12: 35
                -1
                Quote: Doccor18
                There are many names of those who stayed, no matter what ...

                That is how it is, but by refusing to do this, we refuse from the fact that they were part of our history - the same Sikorsky is a Russian, not an American scientist, and you need to remember this and remind the others.
      4. sanek45744
        sanek45744 23 December 2021 16: 06
        -1
        Who can explain to me what's wrong with that?
      5. Piramidon
        Piramidon 23 December 2021 20: 10
        0
        Quote: Aerodrome
        "Sikorsky" ... the aircraft of the Russian strategic aviation now bears the name of the founder of the American aircraft building company.

        Sikorsky, primarily a RUSSIAN aircraft design engineer, founder of long-range (strategic) aviation in Russia and in the world. Today, by the way, is the day of this branch of the armed forces. And you just have to check in with your spoonful of waste and screw everything up. negative
    2. Bar1
      Bar1 24 December 2021 12: 15
      +1
      Road spoon for dinner
      While they are restoring the plane will grow old like a moment.
  2. Vladimir_2U
    Vladimir_2U 23 December 2021 05: 29
    0
    I wonder how many times a glider with engines is more expensive than that of the new Il-76?
  3. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 23 December 2021 05: 38
    +7
    The article is replete with synonyms maybe ... maybe ... probably ... unnamed sources ... etc. smile hell ... one censorship and secrecy.
    What is actually happening only God knows ... well, and even those who are in charge of this whole process. what
  4. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 23 December 2021 06: 04
    +6
    Quote: Siberian 66
    Haste is needed only when catching fleas. At Ila, the managers did not know this ..

    Haste (haste) is needed in three cases: when catching fleas, with diarrhea, and when you don't know how soon your husband can return ...
    With regard to production, optimization is more important here than window dressing. We read:
    According to his source, the first Tu-160M ​​is already "Standing in the hangar ready, filled up"... By the end of the year, it is planned to carry out the first run on the factory runway. There is no first flight in the plans for the near future. Also the source pointed out that senior management is about to be invited to these events, and therefore the exact dates have not yet been determined.

    The finished plane is waiting for the arrival of the official ... Fuck !!! And if Borisov does not come (gets sick, gets injured, retires ...), maybe there will be no jogging? Ready plane, will it wait for the will from above? Isn't it better to go jogging back and forth without supervision (without Udav's grandmother), and show the high authorities the finished product, the ability to fly of which the Bolsheviks have been testing for so long? Or did the plant (KB), in addition to the new engine, sculpt a new airframe from new materials, replacing key design features?
    We have no time to swing. Only a country with a strong army can "sleep well" and there are two ways out: either to engage in tests on schedule, or to Mr. Borisov to buy a ticket for the next flight.
    1. ramzay21
      ramzay21 23 December 2021 09: 57
      +8
      The finished plane is waiting for the arrival of the official ... Fuck !!! And if Borisov does not come (gets sick, gets injured, retires ...), maybe there will be no jogging?

      You do not understand the importance of the moment! You have to spend money on a show with top officials like on a plane, this is a breakthrough! For 30 years of insanity, repeat what they did under Soviet rule 40 years ago! laughing
      1. lucul
        lucul 23 December 2021 11: 40
        -12
        "You do not understand the importance of the moment! On a show with top officials you have to spend money like on a plane, this is a breakthrough! For 30 years of insanity, repeat what they did under Soviet power 40 years ago!"

        You do not understand the importance of the moment. Russia recovered after the collapse of the 90s, and was able to repeat the most advanced developments 40 years ago.
        And the United States, being at the zenith of technological heyday, was unable to repeat the flight to the Moon again, and this is after 50 years of its development !!! .)))
        1. Flanker692
          Flanker692 23 December 2021 18: 24
          +2
          there are no questions about Russia, but .. a friend asks me what kind of attempt it was to land the Americans on the moon, which had already failed?
        2. ramzay21
          ramzay21 23 December 2021 23: 11
          +3
          You do not understand the importance of the moment. Russia recovered after the collapse of the 90s, and was able to repeat the most advanced developments 40 years ago.
          And the United States, being at the zenith of technological heyday, was unable to repeat the flight to the Moon again, and this is after 50 years of its development !!! .)))

          The United States is not trying to start production of even the B-2, not to mention the B-1, they have developed and are starting production of the B-21, while our analogue of the 2-year-old B-XNUMX is only on paper, so there is no need to compare real successes with the restoration of old technologies.
      2. Ivan1779
        Ivan1779 24 December 2021 00: 01
        +4
        Just about, you are absolutely right! This is wildness, some kind of, cross yourself, clap your hands to get rid of this darkness, this obsession. It's like writing: "On the eve of testing: VAZ-2108 of new construction."
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 24 December 2021 22: 11
        -1
        and in the same way, under the USSR, officials were expected and shown achievements
    2. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 December 2021 20: 14
      -3
      Quote: ROSS 42
      The finished plane is waiting for the arrival of the official ... Fuck !!!

      This is already your perverted speculation. The article is just the opposite. Officials are waiting for the readiness of the plane.
  5. Alex 1970
    Alex 1970 23 December 2021 06: 10
    +20
    The whole article could fit into one paragraph, how many words about the same thing from different angles, Ryabov's distinctive style, this is how it was written about a good and necessary business, as if it were about school political information, the main thing is the volume.
  6. Crowe
    Crowe 23 December 2021 06: 15
    +15
    Happy Holidays, Health and Peace!
  7. Volga073
    Volga073 23 December 2021 06: 38
    +12
    author -> author -> the author probably does not know that the new building is Tu-160M2,
    and the modernized old building is the Tu-160M
  8. barium
    barium 23 December 2021 08: 00
    +2
    fueled plane tends to catch fire !!!!!!!!!
    1. Piramidon
      Piramidon 23 December 2021 20: 16
      0
      Quote: barium
      fueled plane tends to catch fire !!!!!!!!!

      Foolishly, you can burn the scrap. Hundreds of planes around the country are fueled.
      1. faiver
        faiver 24 December 2021 09: 26
        +1
        and millions of cars with gasoline in their tanks ... laughing
  9. aslan balayev
    aslan balayev 23 December 2021 09: 08
    +2
    King of the sky !!! drinks
  10. Peaceful SEO
    Peaceful SEO 23 December 2021 09: 23
    +14
    Damn, I used to recognize Damantsev from the first lines, by the abundance of meaningless abbreviations. Now also from the first lines I recognize Ryabov's articles on pouring from empty to empty
  11. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 23 December 2021 09: 29
    +1
    They were honored to make an airplane half a century ago.
    But why?
    Why not make a new modern one?
    Those people and those funds that were distracted by the reincarnation of the old man could greatly advance the development and preparation of the PAKDA production during this time.
    And if about oldies, then the Tu95 platform, IMHO, looks more useful, on its basis it would be possible to revive not only the bomber / missile carrier, but also long-distance anti-dodgers patrolmen, strategic reconnaissance officers and other highly useful vehicles with which we now have a complete F ...
    1. aslan balayev
      aslan balayev 23 December 2021 11: 41
      0
      On the basis of TU 95 there have long been anti-submarine TU 142
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 23 December 2021 14: 25
        +6
        And there are many of those Tu142 left?
        And how old is the youngest of them?
        And how much resource do they still have in stock?
        And how many years have their equipment lagged behind the "partners"?
        1. aslan balayev
          aslan balayev 23 December 2021 15: 03
          +1
          Quote: Jacket in stock
          And there are many of those Tu142 left?
          And how old is the youngest of them?
          And how much resource do they still have in stock?
          And how many years have their equipment lagged behind the "partners"?

          We haven't heard of them for a long time. They are outdated a long time ago, maybe even 40 years ago. ... After all, it was then that it was decided to produce TU160. Although your questions are, of course, rhetorical
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 23 December 2021 14: 36
        +4
        Quote: aslan balayev
        On the basis of TU 95 there have long been anti-submarine TU 142

        Rather, on the contrary: on the basis of the anti-submarine Tu-142 there has long been a Tu-95MS missile carrier. smile
        The original Tu-95 line died with the last carriers of heavy anti-ship missiles and anti-ship missiles. Now only a side branch is in service: Tu-95MS, whose ancestor was Tu-142, whose ancestor was Tu-95RTs.
        1. aslan balayev
          aslan balayev 23 December 2021 15: 07
          +2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Quote: aslan balayev
          On the basis of TU 95 there have long been anti-submarine TU 142

          Rather, on the contrary: on the basis of the anti-submarine Tu-142 there has long been a Tu-95MS missile carrier. smile
          The original Tu-95 line died with the last carriers of heavy anti-ship missiles and anti-ship missiles. Now only a side branch is in service: Tu-95MS, whose ancestor was Tu-142, whose ancestor was Tu-95RTs.

          I meant the first episodes. hi
    2. Azimuth
      Azimuth 23 December 2021 11: 54
      +7
      And it will also be necessary to restore and build new airfields that will allow servicing the TU 160 and technicians, respectively. Refuellers, cover links, strategy of use and the devil knows more ...
    3. Barberry25
      Barberry25 24 December 2021 22: 14
      0
      And if the PAKDA drags on? We have videoconferencing with what to provide? IMHO about the usefulness of the Tu-95 is mistaken, because the Tu-95 is also not young, and no one has canceled the metal fatigue, so the fact that the development of PAK DA would have moved by 2 years, nothing would have changed, but the cross on the bomber aviation could be delivered with a guarantee - we ALREADY have a shortage of missile carriers, which is why the Tu-22M was transferred from the MPA to YES
      1. Jacket in stock
        Jacket in stock 25 December 2021 08: 18
        0
        Quote: Barberry25
        about the usefulness of the Tu-95 is mistaken, because the Tu-95 is also not young, and no one has canceled the metal fatigue

        So I'm not talking about extending the resource, but about reincarnation.
        As it was written below correctly, the Tu160 will be useful, God forbid, only in the case of Armageddon, and Tu95 and its derivatives could be useful in a peaceful life.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 25 December 2021 10: 09
          -1
          Those. do you need to invest a lot of money to get a "truck with bombs", and all countries are switching to stealthy or supersonic missile carriers and only we take five steps back?
          1. Jacket in stock
            Jacket in stock 25 December 2021 10: 23
            +1
            Quote: Barberry25
            bombs ", and all countries are switching to stealthy or supersonic missile carriers

            Can you tell us more about "everything"?
            Subtle, yes. And who makes supersonic?

            If the Americans, then, on the contrary, they write off their B1s, and the missiles are loaded onto specific trucks of the Si130 type.

            And how is the "supersonic" Tu160 fundamentally different from the hypothetical "truck? With its cruising speed of 900 km / h.
            1. Barberry25
              Barberry25 25 December 2021 16: 51
              0
              the fact is that he can quickly enter the danger zone - they will shoot back and leave
              1. Jacket in stock
                Jacket in stock 25 December 2021 22: 33
                -1
                Quote: Barberry25
                the fact is that he can quickly enter the danger zone - they will shoot back and leave

                What for?
                He has missiles with a range of 2,5 thousand km.
                Yes, and he will not be able to shoot at speed physically.
                1. Barberry25
                  Barberry25 26 December 2021 08: 59
                  0
                  "range of 2,5 km" .. this is actually very small, it means that you need to fly up to enemy territory in the UPOR and make launches in order to get something beyond the border territory. well, and then .. this is a slow-moving bomber and what is next ? pray for the peace of their souls?
      2. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 10: 10
        0
        Quote: Barberry25
        Tu-95 is not young either,

        even though I argued with you, but now I have to agree, tu95 is becoming obsolete and there is no point in betting on it, although for now let them serve
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 25 December 2021 11: 29
          0
          here the fact is that the tu-160 is a safety net
  12. Igor Tikhomirov
    Igor Tikhomirov 23 December 2021 15: 28
    +4
    Quote: Aerodrome
    "Sikorsky" ... the aircraft of the Russian strategic aviation now bears the name of the founder of the American aircraft building company.

    Quote: Lech from Android.
    Although Sikorsky, the creator of Ilya Muromets ... at that time a breakthrough bomber ...
    There is also Prokopiev-Seversky, a Russian pilot who returned to service after amputation of his foot. After the revolution, he found himself in the same place as Sikorsky. And he did the same. In the mid-30s, he created the first fighter of the modern design (a cantilever monoplane with a retractable landing gear), which was adopted by the US Air Force. Namely "R-35 Seversky".
  13. Sancho_SP
    Sancho_SP 23 December 2021 19: 29
    +1
    The army must fight.

    Tu-160 will not fight (because it is a carrier of atomic weapons, the rest from it is expensive).

    As a component of the nuclear deterrent system, the Tu-160 is also weak.


    So is it worth spending billions on it?
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 24 December 2021 22: 15
      -1
      Said A, say B, where do you propose to send the "saved billions" ... by the way, can the combatant Tu-160 cut it?
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 01: 35
        -1
        Where? On tax cuts, of course.
        1. Barberry25
          Barberry25 25 December 2021 10: 07
          0
          then it is necessary to dissolve the army in general, then how much taxes can be reduced! negative
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 11: 11
            0
            The part that is useless is very possible.
    2. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 10: 07
      0
      Quote: Sancho_SP
      Tu-160 will not fight (because it is a carrier of atomic weapons, the rest from it is expensive).

      why not develop aviation anti-ship missiles for him? and what does it mean to start up expensive? it can perform a wide range of tasks .... Sarmat and YARS are also expensive .... but you have to!
      1. Sancho_SP
        Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 11: 23
        0
        It's a little more complicated here:

        1. Ballistic missiles are nuclear deterrence. They will never be used, but at the same time, their presence reduces the likelihood of war a hundredfold. In this capacity, the Tu-160 is many times more expensive, because two conditional Sarmat will throw more warheads into the United States than one Tu-160 with cruise missiles (it will not make a second flight in the event of a total war).

        2. But everything else is expensive. Operation of two Tu-95s is cheaper than one Tu-160 at the same range and load as a long-range bomber.

        3. There will be no need to launch 12/24 anti-ship missiles at once (so that it would be advisable to fly a three-hundred-ton aircraft) if you do not fight in NATO / China. In all other cases, the conditional Su-34 with two of the same anti-aircraft missiles is more expedient.
        1. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 12: 01
          -1
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          if not to fight in NATO / China.

          it is necessary to prepare for confrontation with NATO, and other anti-Russian blocs, for example, Tu160 could destroy the enemy AUG, or demolish the island of Honshu, in the event of their aggression against peace-loving Russia, then the army will be ready for a small war,
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 20: 15
            0
            So the missiles will be demolished cheaper and faster. And if there is no difference, why pay more?
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 20: 27
              0
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              So the missiles will be demolished cheaper and faster. And if there is no difference, why pay more?

              if there is no difference, then of course, but there is a difference, yars are also not cheap and in general, taking into account the significantly lower cost of air-launched missiles, lighter ones, taking into account the great possibilities of target designation at short distances against moving targets ... the use of long-range aviation is quite justified
              1. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 20: 34
                0
                Everything is true, but the Tu-160 itself is worth a lot. According to open data, the mace is worth a billion, and the Tu-160 - 16 billion without missiles. Let's think that a yars is not more expensive than a mace. 16 yars, 48 ​​warheads. Well, you get the idea.

                And we will divide long-range aviation and strategic. At a distance of 2-3 thousand kilometers from the borders of Russia, simpler machines will work out remarkably well. And who do we want to get next?
        2. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 12: 02
          0
          Quote: Sancho_SP
          Operation of two Tu-95s is cheaper than one Tu-160 at the same range and load as a long-range bomber.

          and there is no difference in speed? tongue
          1. Sancho_SP
            Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 20: 18
            0
            When flying to the maximum range - practically none. The supersonic sound of the Tu-160 is short-lived, for breaking through air defense (and mainly fighters, there is no particular difference for a rocket). And such air defense, which must be broken through in this way, is available only to those at whom ballistic missiles will fly anyway.
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 20: 24
              0
              Quote: Sancho_SP
              The supersonic sound of the Tu-160 is short-lived
              he really doesn't need to go thousands of kilometers in supersonic but .....
              I somehow already thought that the TU 160, due to the speed, leaves the air defense missiles and fighters, as a result, it can approach the target 200-250 km closer than the TU95 and leave safely ,,,,,,,,,,
              1. Sancho_SP
                Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 20: 29
                0
                Fighters - I agree. There is no difference for heavy anti-aircraft missiles, they are still much faster than 160 or 95.

                And now the question: which state with a developed air defense system, but not possessing nuclear weapons (we are considering NATO in its entirety), are we planning to bomb from the Tu-160?
                1. Vladimir1155
                  Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 20: 31
                  +1
                  Quote: Sancho_SP
                  The question is: which state with a developed air defense system, but not possessing nuclear weapons (we are still considering NATO in its entirety), are we planning to bomb from the Tu-160?

                  Japan by robbery attacked from time immemorial Russian kurils
                  1. Sancho_SP
                    Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 20: 36
                    0
                    In the absence of support from the United States, in Japan, calibers from the mainland of Russia, from the simplest land installations, will be worked out much cheaper.
                    1. Vladimir1155
                      Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 20: 41
                      +1
                      Quote: Sancho_SP
                      In the absence of support from the United States, in Japan, calibers from the mainland of Russia, from the simplest land installations, will be worked out much cheaper.

                      Russia is big, but why do we need the Airborne Forces? other IL 76 special combat vehicles are worse than in the ground forces? .... I explain, for the rapid transfer of reinforcements to the east or west or north. south ..... what are we going to carry calibers? how far and how long? and then a quick transfer and immediately into battle! Obviously, the Russian Federation cannot contain an oceanic fleet except for the coastal one in the area of ​​nuclear submarine bases, and the long arm of Moscow is only SSBNs and Tu160 and only ... TU 160 is multitasking and useful
                      1. Sancho_SP
                        Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 21: 11
                        0
                        Why carry? A tomahawk-class missile is cheap, you need to have them in every theater of operations with a margin. It's scary to think how many of them can be done for 16 billion ...
                2. Vladimir1155
                  Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 20: 34
                  0
                  Quote: Sancho_SP
                  there is no difference in heavy anti-aircraft missiles, they are still much faster than 160 or 95.

                  however, taking into account the supersonic aircraft, the rocket obviously may not catch up with it, although its speed may be less than the speed of the rocket ... that is, the aircraft can approach, although not close to the air defense, but closer than that 95 by 200-250 km
                  1. Sancho_SP
                    Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 20: 38
                    0
                    This is all provided that the Tu-160/95 was generally in the range of the S-300 / Patriot air defense system.
                    1. Vladimir1155
                      Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 20: 47
                      0
                      Quote: Sancho_SP
                      This is all provided that the Tu-160/95 was generally in the range of the S-300 / Patriot air defense system.

                      in war, anything can happen, we do not plan to meet fighters, or get into the air defense zones .. or maybe there will be and then these 200 km will be important
                      1. Sancho_SP
                        Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 21: 14
                        0
                        Therefore, we begin with the question: with whom to fight?

                        I repeat, my main thesis is that there are no opponents for the Tu-160. For some it is too expensive, for others there are missiles in the mines.
                      2. Vladimir1155
                        Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 21: 43
                        0
                        it's not that expensive, well, it has been serving for more than one year, you can store it in a closed hangar, when it's worth it doesn't wear out .. I don't know the topic deeply, so I won't insist
                      3. Sancho_SP
                        Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 21: 53
                        0
                        So you reason correctly. But a hangar of this size is also worth the money. Light this hangar, heat ...

                        As a result, instead of two hundred Su-34s, which are currently the workhorses of limited contingents, we will get 10 golden aircraft that will de facto perform the same tasks, only more expensive and less flexible.
      2. Barberry25
        Barberry25 25 December 2021 17: 00
        +2
        the trick is that he ALREADY performs combat missions for launching cruise missiles quietly X-55 and X-101 against militants, and yes, anti-ship missiles for him will be quite in the subject, especially hypersonic missiles
        1. Sancho_SP
          Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 20: 24
          0
          It does it because it already exists. Kuznetsov was also there for the same reason.

          And what about the RCC? At close range, the Tu-22 squadron will carry off the same number of missiles, and the cost will be cheaper.

          On the far side ... what kind of scenario do you imagine? Tu-160s take off from Engels and fire at someone in the Indian Ocean?
          1. Vladimir1155
            Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 20: 37
            0
            Quote: Sancho_SP
            Tu-160s take off from Engels and fire at someone in the Indian Ocean?

            take off from Engels jump in Kamchatka and chop the US Pacific Fleet clearing the way for SSBNs
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 21: 12
              0
              And during this time, ballistic missiles have already flown and the fate of the US Pacific Fleet has ceased to matter ...
          2. Barberry25
            Barberry25 25 December 2021 20: 47
            0
            squadron Tu-22 will be cheaper?)
            1. Sancho_SP
              Sancho_SP 25 December 2021 21: 09
              0
              So, if the 160s are produced, then it will be single. The first won for 16 billion was done. We can certainly hope that it will get cheaper in the series, but we understand ...
              1. Barberry25
                Barberry25 26 December 2021 08: 55
                0
                "but we understand" that there is nothing in the subject, But we want to share our opinion ... this is about 99,999% of all commentators and comments on Topvar. At the moment we have 61 Tu-22M3,64, 95 Tu-16MS and 160 Tu- 141 M. Total: 60 bombers, 60 of which will become real long-range after the process of modernization and development of high-precision weapons for them, I'm about 22 Tu-70M ... And the United States at the moment: 52 B-61, 1 B-20B, 2 V -151 ... that is. 80 full-fledged long-range bombers versus 61 long-range bombers in our country and 22 "almost bombers" Tu-160M, for which there is no weapon at the moment. And we must take into account the fact that our machines will be out of order due to age ... So it is better to invest 10 billion in the deployment and production of 160 new Tu-2M2027s and by 2027 to have a ready-made line for the production of bombers, than to be bare-haired if the development of the PAK DA is delayed, which, at best, will begin experimental military operation only in 30, but the real In the best case, mass production will begin in the first half of the 95s, and yes, the VKS has already announced for a moment that PAK DA will replace the Tu-22 and Tu-160M, but it cannot replace the Tu-160, at most "partially" .. Those. Tu-2MXNUMX will continue to be supplied to the troops
                1. Sancho_SP
                  Sancho_SP 26 December 2021 23: 22
                  0
                  "So what?" (With)

                  What are you planning to do with these planes? Looking at them?

                  There is an adequate need for the construction of the armed forces, but there is senseless gigantomania and subsequent masturbation. 16 billion per plane is the second.
                  1. Barberry25
                    Barberry25 27 December 2021 00: 13
                    -1
                    OK, suggest an alternative to the Tu-160, what can we do for a modern missile carrier for three kopecks?
  14. Roman Efremov
    Roman Efremov 23 December 2021 19: 50
    -1
    Free-falling bombs (and bombs in general, even guided ones) - are they against whom? Against someone with very bad air defense? laughing
    1. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh 23 December 2021 22: 21
      0
      They are in the majority in the world.
      So you understand.
  15. Vladimir1155
    Vladimir1155 23 December 2021 20: 01
    -2
    need more planes!
    1. Jacket in stock
      Jacket in stock 25 December 2021 08: 20
      0
      Quote: vladimir1155
      need more planes!

      Right.
      And for this they must be simple and cheap, but this is definitely not about the Tu160.
      1. Vladimir1155
        Vladimir1155 25 December 2021 10: 00
        0
        Quote: Jacket in stock
        And for this they must be simple and cheap,
        your concept is correct with regard to super-expensive and senseless aircraft carriers, but deeply mistaken in saving on funds necessary for the defense of the country, who does not want to feed his army will feed someone else's, cheap planes would have bad performance characteristics, that is, they would not make sense at all, .. Both SU and TU are not cheap planes, and there are a lot of both of them with different performance characteristics in terms of tasks, more than now, MI and KA helicopters, deck spacecraft are needed ... that's what makes no sense, these are deck planes, because the idea of ​​an aircraft carrier in the conditions of the Russian Federation is not viable, there are no tasks for it, there is no cover, and this is where your idea works, if there is no money for airplanes, then why spend it on AB?
  16. Sasha_rulevoy
    Sasha_rulevoy 26 December 2021 19: 34
    0
    Quote: Nazar
    The Bolsheviks were driven out


    Yeltsin and Putin were members of the CPSU party until 1991.
  17. krjugerfred
    krjugerfred 28 December 2021 13: 58
    0
    Work brothers!
  18. Protos
    Protos 31 December 2021 14: 52
    0
    Quote: bandabas
    Because the country is ruled by those who are still fighting the "Polovtsy and Pechenegs." Buying Turkish tomatoes in the process of "import substitution".

    Cossack from non-brothers?:%; laughing
  19. eckons
    eckons 1 January 2022 19: 21
    0
    Quote: eckons
    Do not pass on the "merits" of the then democrats on the Bolsheviks

    And then in the seventeenth, the Bolsheviks had nothing to do with it. And already in 91, they were direct heirs. You can of course play as much as you like, but the fact is the fact, the Bolsheviks and their followers are guilty of the collapse of the country.
  20. Shuev
    Shuev 4 February 2022 19: 26
    -1
    "Ilya Muromets Tu-160M ​​and Wings of the Empire (2017)"
    In the final version of the bomber, the concept of a low-altitude air defense breakthrough was implemented by flying at ultra-low altitudes with enveloping the terrain.

    In the Rostov mountains? /flywalking series 777

    "S-70 "Hunter" and Features of National Fishing (1999)"
    Designed to break through dense air defense (air defense).
    Stealth technologies are widely used: the aircraft is covered with radio-absorbing materials, created according to the “flying wing” aerodynamic scheme, engine jets are shielded; the exact value of the EPR is not reported

    Inhabited Island 08.08 - War and Peace 07 / Fortress 19 - Hussar 2020 - We are from the Future 2 / Balkan Frontier (19) Behind Enemy Lines (2001)