Military Review

2021 and beyond. Successes and problems of the American hypersonic program

108

Rocket AGM-183A ARRW under the wing of an experienced carrier


In the interests of the US armed forces, a number of hypersonic missile systems of various classes with various capabilities are currently being developed. The first developments in this area are already entering flight tests, according to the results of which they will be able to enter service. However, the future of these complexes is still uncertain. The events and events of the outgoing 2021 have shown that the hypersonic program is facing significant difficulties.

Actual questions


The American hypersonic program currently provides for the development of a large number of promising missile systems of various kinds. New samples are being created for the ground forces, for the Air Force and the Navy. At the same time, both independent samples and unified weapons for different types of troops are offered.

This year, the main news from the United States on hypersonic topics were associated with only two promising developments. These are the AGM-183A ARRW air-launched cruise missile and the LRHW Dark Eagle ground complex. As reported aviation the ammunition has already been brought to flight tests, and the ground system is still only preparing for them.

It should be noted that the news about these projects is not yet conducive to optimism. So, the ARRW product has never completed a test flight program, which negatively affects the progress of the project and the entire hypersonic direction. The LRHW project, despite some movement forward, has not yet demonstrated its capabilities.


Successful launches of ARRW so far can only be seen in pictures.

Difficulties in the test phase — observable and anticipated — lead to known risks. First of all, they negatively affect the timing of the work and delay the start of rearmament. In addition, in the hypersonic sphere, the United States is already lagging behind Russia and China, and the failure of their projects may lead to a gradual widening of the gap.

Failure in the air


The greatest success among American projects is now shown by the AGM-183A Air-Launched Rapid Response Weapon rocket project. Unlike other developments, it has already entered flight tests, during which it must confirm the calculated characteristics. However, experimental missiles are not yet able to cope with this task.

Flight tests of the ARW-183A began in 2019 with export flights. The B-52H flying laboratory carried the rocket under the wing and collected the necessary data, but the product was not dropped. Until the end of 2020, six such missions were carried out, which ensured the collection of the necessary information and preparation for subsequent events.

The first attempt to dump and independently fly an ARRW rocket was carried out on April 5, 2021. As it became known later, the carrier aircraft carried out all the necessary procedures, prepared the rocket, but was unable to drop it. The reasons for this and the nature of the problems encountered were not specified.


Soon, in May, another export flight took place, the purpose of which was to check control systems weapons carrier aircraft and testing of the onboard equipment of the rocket. At a great distance from the base, the B-52H received the necessary information and prepared the missile for release and flight.

The next test launch of ARW-183A was scheduled for July 28, 2021. During this test, the bomber successfully completed all launch preparation procedures and then dropped the rocket. The product was supposed to go to the designated target, but this did not happen. For some unknown reason, the rocket did not start the engine, and then fell into the ocean.

The last test launch attempt at the moment took place on December 15 and was also unsuccessful. Due to an unknown failure, the preparative procedure was interrupted. The launch failed, and the B-52H returned to the airfield with a rocket under its wing. The developers of the project will have to study all the information collected, find the causes of the incident and modify the means of the missile system in order to avoid its repetition.

Timing problem


ARRW project schedule is for FY2021. several test launches were to take place, incl. with the successful implementation of the flight program and the defeat of the training target. Thereafter, for FY2022. it was planned to purchase the first pre-production batch of 12 missiles for further activities. Then in FY2023. or later, the Pentagon was going to deploy full-scale production and adopt the AGM-183A into service.

2021 and beyond. Successes and problems of the American hypersonic program
Battery of the LRHW complex in position

The first part of these plans has already been thwarted. Despite all efforts, three flight tests ended in failure. Finding and fixing technical problems will take some time, and then it will be necessary to conduct a new stage of flight tests and confirm the successful getting rid of the shortcomings. At the same time, it is necessary to fulfill the originally planned flight test program.

Depending on the nature of the problems identified and the complexity of their fix, the AGM-183A may take at least several months to complete. Then some time will have to be spent on the next stage of testing. It is unlikely that these works will meet the approved schedule, and the launch of production by the end of FY2022. now looks unlikely.

"Eagle" in the army


A hypersonic missile system for ground forces LRHW or Dark Eagle is currently being prepared for flight tests. The design work for this system has already been completed. In addition, the necessary tests of various components and means of the complex were carried out, including the planning hypersonic warhead.

In mid-September, one of the units of the ground forces handed over the means of an experimental LRHW complex. These are two towed launchers with tractors, a unified command post AFATDS 7.0 and several transport and launch containers with missile dummies. Now the personnel are mastering this technique and preparing for testing.


One of the first LRHW launchers transferred to the troops

According to current plans, the first launch of a hypersonic missile from an experienced LRHW will take place in the coming weeks or months. During 2022, the Pentagon is going to conduct a series of flight tests, which will have to confirm the design characteristics and capabilities of the missiles. With the successful implementation of such plans, in 2023 the deployment of LRHW in the troops will begin with the organization of experimental combat duty.

Reason for optimism


The exact date of the first flight of the LRHW rocket has not yet been announced. In addition, the timing of the entire cycle of flight and other tests is questionable. It is obvious that all launches and production will be completed in 2022-23. will succeed only in the absence of serious problems of a technical or other nature. Otherwise, the schedule for Dark Eagle will also need to be adjusted.

It should be noted that the Pentagon has reason to be optimistic about the LRHW project. The fact is that ready-made and used components are widely used as part of the new complex. So, it includes a unified command post, launchers are built on serial semi-trailers, and the Common-Hypersonic Glide Body (C-HGB) planning warhead passed flight tests in 2017 and 2020.

However, the use of finished products is not a guarantee of success. The ARRW aircraft complex was also built using existing components, but this did not help it during testing. Whether the overland LRHW will manage not to face the same problems is a big question.


Mock TPK with Dark Eagle rocket

Plans for the future


There has been some progress in the US hypersonic program, but there are also serious difficulties. At the same time, several projects of real weapons for the troops are being developed at once, and some of them have already been brought to the stage of full-fledged tests, which can be considered a success. However, this success is overshadowed by regular challenges in trials and impending missed deadlines.

This year's news suggests that the US hypersonic program is still out of schedule. The likelihood of completing ARRW and LRHW projects on time is constantly decreasing. At the same time, the problems of the two most successful projects can negatively affect other developments and further worsen the general condition of the entire direction.

Thus, the situation in the US hypersonic program remains difficult. None of the new models of hypersonic weapons have yet been accepted into service, and their development is facing serious problems. At the same time, the main geopolitical opponents have already created similar or different systems and put them on alert. Time will tell whether the Pentagon and industry will be able to cope with all the problems and close the existing gap.
Author:
Photos used:
US Department of Defense, Lockheed Martin
108 comments
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. yuriy55
    yuriy55 1 January 2022 15: 11
    +10
    None of the new models of hypersonic weapons have yet been accepted into service, and their development is facing serious problems.

    Then let the article be called:
    2021 and beyond. Failures and problems of the American hypersonic program
  2. paul3390
    paul3390 1 January 2022 15: 40
    +13
    The fact that the mattress makers will sooner or later finish the hypersound is beyond doubt .. Still, a great technological and scientific power is still not everywhere, command positions have not been distributed to blacks and transvestites .. The question is - where will Russia and China go by that time? The modern arms race is a serious thing - a lag even by 10 years can be fatal - you will fucking catch up with your opponents .. Unless, of course, they themselves, out of stupidity, don't slow down ..
    1. malyvalv
      malyvalv 1 January 2022 16: 16
      +2
      In general, the figure lagging behind 10-15 years is simply magical. We are constantly lagging behind the United States in everything by 10-15 years. I can judge this by my civilian specialty - geophysics. The industry is very high-tech and many sensors, emitters, computer solutions are dual-use. We are all the time lagging behind the USA in this industry by 10-15 years. I am sure that we have the same lag in microelectronics, acoustic sensors and emitters, high-precision weapons and so on. In the case of a nuclear bomb, at the cost of incredible efforts, we managed to reduce the backlog to 4-5 years. But not more.
      The only way to be ahead is to create breakthrough projects that the United States does not have. Then the United States will lag behind us for 10-15 years. Therefore, I do not think that the United States will have something from hypersound in 22-23 years. 10-15 years is a magic figure.
      1. paul3390
        paul3390 1 January 2022 16: 29
        +12
        lagging behind us in microelectronics

        I'm not sure about that. For the constant race for magic microns on a chip is leveled by the complete lack of programming culture in recent years .. Instead of optimizing the code, hired Indians are piling up wild constructions that require more and more resources and performance each time .. This is me who is the overwhelming majority of tasks it is possible to solve on older chips no less efficiently. If you write the software correctly.

        I remember in the distant young years - my unforgettable OS / 2 WARP was launched in 4 MB of memory !! True - it groaned for an hour, but it started up along with the graphical shell! This was a correctly and well-written thing. Not like modern hack .. Philip Kahn once postulated that any useful software should fit on a maximum of 4 floppy disks. And after all, he almost succeeded ..
        1. malyvalv
          malyvalv 1 January 2022 17: 12
          +5
          Our programmers are renowned for their code efficiency. It was known when I studied applied mathematics at the institute. Since the limited power did not allow you to relax.
          But now there are a lot of tasks that require instant processing of huge amounts of data. Neural networks, processing of an array of measurements in conditions when the signal is below the noise level, and so on and so on. Moreover, in conditions of extremely limited energy consumption and size, such as on fighters. Here, no matter how you write the code, the power of the calculator is required.
          1. svoroponov
            svoroponov 4 February 2022 14: 40
            0
            Here once, when they handed over a single control center for the armed forces in Russia, a computer was also mentioned for processing information there. I was dumbfounded to hear his power and ability to process information. If someone finds it, then post it here. So, it is an order of magnitude more powerful than the most powerful supercomputer in the US, which I know about, and the Chinese one, which was recently launched.
      2. lucul
        lucul 1 January 2022 16: 45
        -3
        "In general, the figure lagging behind 10-15 years is simply magical. We are constantly lagging behind the United States in everything by 10-15 years."

        Well, look at the Iranian nuclear program - nuclear physicists are dying like flies, and we all know what is the reason.
        In Russia, tsars died in batches from bombers until they achieved their revolution.
        In the USSR, too, key scientists-developers, even the leaders of the country, died in batches. We have been artificially limited to the development of Iran, since the time of Ivan the Terrible, and if you look deeper - since the time of Svyatoslav.
        1. Hiroo Onoda
          Hiroo Onoda 1 January 2022 17: 18
          -4
          Quote: lucul
          We are artificially limited

          Conspiracy is of course interesting. Simple answers to complex questions. So is religion. But excuse me - the Queen and Landau were also artificially limited to the camps by the Masons?
          1. paul3390
            paul3390 1 January 2022 20: 13
            +3
            The Queen and Landau were also artificially limited to the camps?

            And he and the other - sat for very specific cases, there is no need to throw liberal propaganda here .. They thought it over, were released and finally brought considerable benefit to the Motherland ..
            1. Hiroo Onoda
              Hiroo Onoda 1 January 2022 22: 20
              +1
              for which specific? What have you come to your senses?
              1. Serge-667
                Serge-667 2 January 2022 00: 03
                +5
                Well, Korolev, for example, arranged misappropriation of funds. State.
                For which he sat down. The fact that he was "slightly spoiled" there is another story. There were always plenty of de-beels and professors in the Organs.
                But Lev Davidovich was not shot for anti-Sovietism by a miracle.
                1. paul3390
                  paul3390 2 January 2022 10: 31
                  +4
                  misappropriation of funds arranged

                  Not only. For example - being in the most important defense institute, this whole warm company was engaged in anything except the development of models of equipment suitable for adoption .. Teshila, so to speak, his design ego .. And this - almost before the war itself! But right after the repressions, the famous BM-13 was created and tested .. The people finally realized why the state was allocating a lot of money to them .. And then they behaved extremely dignified, glorifying the country throughout the world.

                  Or let's say Tupolev. In the mid-30s - he was doing the devil, without giving anything serious. Plus - the famous business trip to America, in which he distinguished himself. They planted - and on you, after 2 years the best front-line bomber Tu-2! And further - he did not allow himself any liberties ..

                  So - we have to keep our ears open with this creative scientific public, periodically reminding them for what the state supports them.
                  1. Serge-667
                    Serge-667 2 January 2022 10: 40
                    +3
                    Or let's say Tupolev. In the mid-30s - he was doing the devil, without giving anything away ...

                    Well, Tukhachevsky and his boats set him up great))
                    1. paul3390
                      paul3390 2 January 2022 10: 51
                      0
                      Responsible people - even without orders, they still quietly develop what they consider necessary for the Motherland. Do not hesitate to actively convince the country's leadership that they are right. Remember the biography of the same Grabin, for example. And Tupolev then - clearly relaxed .. And this - just before the war! So I had to bring to life .. To his credit, it should be noted - he understood everything at once.
                      1. Serge-667
                        Serge-667 2 January 2022 12: 52
                        +3
                        In principle, I agree. The same Landau, instead of getting involved in business, got into the political world.
              2. paul3390
                paul3390 2 January 2022 10: 21
                -3
                Can you read? Or another victim of the exam, trained only to write liberal comments?
    2. OgnennyiKotik
      OgnennyiKotik 1 January 2022 19: 03
      +5
      Quote: paul3390
      The fact that the mattress covers will sooner or later finish the hypersound is beyond doubt.

      The worst thing is that they are ahead in potential carriers of the Russian Federation and China combined. Hypersonic missiles (with tactical nuclear warheads, of course) and their carriers are not subject to START. Accordingly, the United States will be able to deploy medium-range ground-based missiles on the western and eastern borders, from the sea the threat will come not only from Ohio but also from Los Angeles and the Virginias, the air component is a separate pain - any C-130 can become a bomber, not to mention classic bombers and fighters.
      The threat of the first decontaminating nuclear strike is becoming maximum. There is no adequate answer from our side, China is still trying.
      1. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 1 January 2022 21: 15
        -1
        We already have the Dagger in service. The similarity of this system for the Su-57 is being developed.
        1. OgnennyiKotik
          OgnennyiKotik 1 January 2022 21: 38
          +4
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          We already have the Dagger in service. The similarity of this system for the Su-57 is being developed.

          Role does not play. The problem is that the Su-57 is not in service and it is not clear when it will be adopted. MiG-31 and Tu-22M are measured in tens. Our cat cried elementary fighters, YES is living out its days. There are 7 AWACS aircraft throughout the country. PLO and MRA are absent as a class. There are only enough tankers for YES. This is aviation.
          There is no need to talk about the fleet, we can no longer ensure the deployment of our SSBNs.
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 1 January 2022 21: 40
            -3
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            not in service and it is not clear when it will be adopted.

            This primarily applies to American hypersonic weapons.

            The dagger is already on alert and Zircon is on the way. Once again: Russian hypersound in service. American - no.

            And the Su-57 is in serial production.
            1. OgnennyiKotik
              OgnennyiKotik 1 January 2022 22: 07
              +1
              Quote: El Chuvachino
              Once again: Russian hypersound in service. American - no.

              AND? What does it change? A scanty amount of wunderwaffe has nothing to do with it. In addition, the modernized 9M723 and Onyx do not pull up to the wunderwaffe. We need massive modern solutions, not the modernization of the Soviet reserve.
              Quote: El Chuvachino

              And the Su-57 is in serial production.

              How can there be a product not accepted for service in a series? When it is brought to mind and the experimental military operation will take place, then we can talk about a series. It is not yet an understandable aircraft, with an unknown composition of avionics and old engines. Therefore, he is not interesting to anyone, including his own MO.
              1. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 1 January 2022 23: 42
                -1
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                AND? What does it change?

                This changes your thesis, which turned out to be false:
                they are ahead in potential carriers of the Russian Federation and China combined.

                No, they are not ahead.


                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                In addition, the upgraded 9M723 and Onyx

                This is false information.
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                We need massive modern solutions, not the modernization of the Soviet reserve.

                These are just your value judgments based on prejudice. Soviet - this is the time period from the beginning of the last century to the 90s, which everyone had. By your logic, the F-35 and, for example, its engine are modernizations of the F-22 and F-15 engines from the same Soviet period. Like most of all weapons in principle, which is based on logic and technology obtained many years ago. And yes, there are modern solutions and they are increasing.

                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                How can there be a product not accepted for service in a series?

                The Su-57 entered service on December 25, 2020, and is in serial production. The plane was brought to mind, which was facilitated by long-term development and refinement, otherwise it would not have been accepted.

                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                It is not yet an understandable aircraft, with an unknown composition of avionics and old engines. Therefore, he is not interesting to anyone, including his own MO.

                You may not understand something, but this is a highly efficient fighter with avionics no less unknown than its analogues and with new engines specially developed for it. About the interest of the Ministry of Defense, tell this to the drafters of the first production contract, which became the largest and most expensive fighter aircraft in the entire modern history of Russia.
                1. OgnennyiKotik
                  OgnennyiKotik 2 January 2022 00: 08
                  +1
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  [
                  The Su-57 entered service on December 25, 2020, and is in serial production.

                  Do you understand the difference between the words "transmitted" and "received"? The fact that he was 25.12.20/XNUMX/XNUMX passed on There are videoconferencing messages, but about the fact that accepted no.
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  The aircraft has been brought to mind, which was facilitated by long-term development and refinement, otherwise it would not have been accepted ..

                  You are making the mistake of assuming it is accepted. The fact that he did not suit the receptionists, says the fact that in 2021 the Su-57 were not even transferred to the Aerospace Forces. And in general, there has been at least a minimum of news since the beginning of last year. That's when it will go through an experimental military operation, it will be brought to mind and put into service, perhaps.
                  1. El Chuvachino
                    El Chuvachino 2 January 2022 00: 16
                    0
                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    Do you understand the difference between the words "transmitted" and "received"? The fact that it was transmitted by the videoconferencing on 25.12.20/XNUMX/XNUMX is there, but that it was not received.

                    Literally, a TASS source: "The Aerospace Forces received the first serial Su-57. entered service one of the air regiments of the Southern Military District "

                    Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                    The fact that he did not suit the receptionists, says the fact that in 2021 the Su-57 were not even transferred to the Aerospace Forces.

                    And where is the causal relationship here? This does not mean anything, except that there can be many reasons: for example, delays at the production stage or factory tests before delivery and acceptance. I don't see an error here. And I don't see the logic either: to accept one Su-57 at the end of 2020 and not to accept four of the same, allegedly not satisfying with anything at the level of a finished serial product previously approved by the same Ministry of Defense.
                    1. OgnennyiKotik
                      OgnennyiKotik 2 January 2022 00: 40
                      +1
                      Well, if literally:

                      VCS got the first serial Su-57. He entered into service with one of the aviation regiments of the Southern Military District, "said interlocutor agency.

                      A certain "interlocutor" without a name or position said that the plane "arrived", and the Aerospace Forces "received" it. Okay, let's omit the reliability of these words from a certain "interlocutor". You can send, receive, transmit, fly, go, receive, give as much as you want, but there is one word that matters - "accepted" from the customer. And you will not find this word on the net, especially from a person holding a significant position. No one takes responsibility for this plane and tries not to get dirty anymore.
                    2. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: El Chuvachino

                      Literally, a TASS source: "The Aerospace Forces received the first serial Su-57. entered service one of the air regiments of the Southern Military District "


                      The plane entered the GLITs in Akhtubinka.
                      She is combatant only according to the Soviet tradition.
                      This is a testing center and has nothing to do with combat units.
                      What you write is either complete ignorance or a deliberate substitution of concepts.
                      1. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 3 January 2022 20: 20
                        -1
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        What you write is either complete ignorance or a deliberate substitution of concepts.

                        This is your chronic prerogative.
                        I am aware of GLITS from the very first day and this does not change the essence. The aircraft was put into service and used for its intended purpose, according to the original plan. You can try to pull the owl on the globe as much as you like - you still won't succeed.
                      2. SovAr238A
                        SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 37
                        0
                        Quote: El Chuvachino
                        Quote: SovAr238A
                        What you write is either complete ignorance or a deliberate substitution of concepts.

                        This is your chronic prerogative.
                        I am aware of GLITS from the very first day and this does not change the essence. The aircraft was put into service and used for its intended purpose, according to the original plan. You can try to pull the owl on the globe as much as you like - you still won't succeed.


                        God's dew is in your eyes ...
                        Just be ...
                        The Americans have a similar GLITZ at Edwards AFB.
                        YF-23, F-117, SR-71, F-104, F-5 and many other machines are still flying there.
                        According to your logic, they are also in service with the US Air Force.
                      3. El Chuvachino
                        El Chuvachino 3 January 2022 23: 30
                        -1
                        And how does your analogy, not burdened with logic, interface with the Su-57-01 combat vehicle?
                        However, you can not answer, you have already proved that your words have not even zero value, but negative. Your further verbal diarrhea will be ignored.
                2. Grits
                  Grits 2 January 2022 03: 45
                  +1
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  You may not understand something, but this is a highly efficient fighter with avionics no less unknown than its analogues and with new engines specially developed for it.

                  I do not understand why it is the fighter that is obliged to carry the same "Dagger", which will be in great demand in the event of hostilities. Besides, really mass production in such quantities is simply amusing. The same Americans are actively using civil aircraft for everything that can be screwed on that is useful from a military point of view. Including turning passenger aircraft into bombers and missile carriers.
                  Then what prevents us from using the same "superjet" 100 as carriers? They rivet it in bundles, but no one really buys it. cheap and cheerful - instead of the passenger compartment, I stuck a drum for the "Daggers" in the belly and - on the way along the borders or over the Arctic
                  1. SovAr238A
                    SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 18
                    0
                    Quote: Gritsa
                    I do not understand why it is the fighter that is obliged to carry the same "Dagger", which will be in great demand in the event of hostilities. Besides, really mass production in such quantities is simply amusing. The same Americans are actively using civil aircraft for everything that can be screwed on that is useful from a military point of view. Including turning passenger aircraft into bombers and missile carriers.
                    Then what prevents us from using the same "superjet" 100 as carriers? They rivet it in bundles, but no one really buys it. cheap and cheerful - instead of the passenger compartment, I stuck a drum for the "Daggers" in the belly and - on the way along the borders or over the Arctic


                    And you completely create a new aircraft based on the Sukhoi Superjet with a rear ramp, loading ramps, winches and other airborne equipment.
                    And look - will it take off or not take off ...
                    And why airborne cargo planes are always different from cargo planes
                    1. Grits
                      Grits 4 January 2022 07: 14
                      0
                      Quote: SovAr238A
                      And you completely create a new aircraft based on the Sukhoi Superjet with a rear ramp, loading ramps, winches and other airborne equipment.

                      The Americans, however, somehow manage to create gantrucks and bombers and scouts and anti-submarine warriors on the basis of passenger aircraft. What is stopping us? In addition, alteration of an already finished aircraft is easier and cheaper than creating a new and specialized
                  2. Motorist
                    Motorist 3 January 2022 22: 25
                    0
                    Quote: Gritsa
                    I do not understand - why carry the same "Dagger" is the fighter that is obliged ... what prevents us from using the same Sakmy "Superjet" 100 as carriers?

                    Maybe because the speed is low? After all, the carrier is the first step (as I understand it).
              2. Volder
                Volder 2 January 2022 13: 40
                -1
                Quote: OgnennyiKotik
                A scanty amount of wunderwaffe has nothing to do with it.
                Of course it does if hypersonic missiles cannot be shot down by existing air defense / missile defense systems.
                In addition, the modernized 9M723 and Onyx do not pull up to the wunderwaffe.
                Of course they do. After all, we are talking about hypersound.
                It is not yet an understandable aircraft, with an unknown composition of avionics and old engines.
                Su-57 engines are not inferior to foreign (American) counterparts. Therefore, what is old age is not clear. There, the 5th generation Chinese planes generally fly on Russian engines from the Su-27.
              3. paul3390
                paul3390 3 January 2022 02: 11
                -3
                A scanty amount of wunderwaffe has nothing to do with

                Controversial thesis. For example, the only existing MiG-31 regiment with Daggers, which worked for the same British or American AUG, can greatly change the further course of events.
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 21
                  0
                  Quote: paul3390
                  A scanty amount of wunderwaffe has nothing to do with

                  Controversial thesis. For example, the only existing MiG-31 regiment with Daggers, which worked for the same British or American AUG, can greatly change the further course of events.


                  Well, explain to us with an example of some abstract ...
                  Where will the British or American AUG be, so that we would strike at it?
                  What forces will be used from our side to support the operation and what will be from their side?
                  Well, try to simulate at least "at least somehow" - and write pliz ...

                  I just don't see a chance for the MiG-31 with Daggers.
                  If only the Aircraft Carriers will go to Arkhangelsk at full speed and their aircraft will not be lifted into the air ... And all the cover will remain in the Danish area ..

                  Well, tell us great knowledge - where and how ...
              4. this
                this 3 January 2022 15: 51
                -1
                The Americans intercept pre-sound every other time, and it's even doubtful to talk about supersonic, once they did something there, and that was completely in laboratory conditions. Well, there is no particular point in creating a bunch of aircraft carrier killer planes, at the beginning of the storm the Strategic Missile Forces will immediately start talking, there they will not remember about the aircraft carriers.
          2. Grits
            Grits 2 January 2022 03: 39
            +4
            Quote: OgnennyiKotik
            Role does not play. The problem is that the Su-57 is not in service and it is not clear when it will be adopted. MiG-31 and Tu-22M are measured in tens. Our cat cried elementary fighters, YES is living out its days. There are 7 AWACS aircraft throughout the country. PLO and MRA are absent as a class. There are only enough tankers for YES. This is aviation.
            There is no need to talk about the fleet, we can no longer ensure the deployment of our SSBNs.

            I agree with you completely. While we do not have carriers, we need to intensively prepare cheap options - ground mobile complexes. So, at least along the borders of the country, we will build a defense. After all, it is no secret that as soon as the Americans have hypersound, they immediately, without hesitation and chewing snot about the world, will deploy them at our borders. I won’t be surprised that it will be near Kharkov, for example.
          3. svoroponov
            svoroponov 4 February 2022 15: 06
            0
            Don't write nonsense. Everything you need to a minimum, we have created. Attacks, if any, are not from all directions at once. On the most dangerous and placed in the first barriers from the radar warning of an attack. If there are launches and even before they hit the objects there will be an answer. In addition, air defense systems are deployed in such a way that in the area of ​​\uXNUMXb\uXNUMXbstrategic objects it is possible to block the flight paths of missiles.
            It's just the responsibility of the General Staff to think about how to deploy troops and means for the greatest effectiveness in intercepting or withdrawing from under attack.
            True, there is a problem. Ours will hit on military and strategic targets, the Americans, as our generals noticed at one time, will hit where there is more population. This is their main task in a nuclear war - to reduce the population of Russia as much as possible. Therefore, it is not worth pitying their population and their satellites. Kill the population first.
        2. SovAr238A
          SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 02
          0
          Quote: El Chuvachino
          We already have the Dagger in service. The similarity of this system for the Su-57 is being developed.


          5 cars with Daggers?
          With a flight range of 1000 kilometers, because with such a bandura there is not enough fuel.
          And in fact, there are no other carriers and are not expected.
          For it does not climb into the bomb bays.

          Now compare this with the flight of a B-52 with 4 units each and a flight range of several thousand kilometers, even without refueling.
          1. El Chuvachino
            El Chuvachino 3 January 2022 20: 19
            0
            Not less than 10 years ago, and now an air regiment has been formed.

            Quote: SovAr238A
            Now compare this with the flight of a B-52 with 4 units each and a flight range of several thousand kilometers, even without refueling.

            When there is something to compare with, then we will compare.
            1. SovAr238A
              SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 36
              0
              Quote: El Chuvachino
              Not less than 10 years ago, and now an air regiment has been formed.

              Quote: SovAr238A
              Now compare this with the flight of a B-52 with 4 units each and a flight range of several thousand kilometers, even without refueling.

              When there is something to compare with, then we will compare.


              What are you lying again.
              I told you about 4 months ago all the information about the availability of the MiG-31K in the ranks ...
              That there are only 5-6 cars.
              That the Internet is full of photos from airspotters, which every MiG-31K photographed from all angles ...
              There is no air regiment.
              1. El Chuvachino
                El Chuvachino 3 January 2022 23: 25
                0
                And comrade Shoigu at the annual board of the Moscow region on 21.12.21/XNUMX/XNUMX stated that there is. Hmm, let me think, who am I to believe ... the Minister of Defense or the leftist no-name graphomaniac on the Internet that constantly broadcasts how bad everything is supposedly?
                1. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 3 January 2022 23: 27
                  0
                  Quote: El Chuvachino
                  And comrade Shoigu at the annual board of the Ministry of Defense said that there is. Hmm, let me think, who am I to believe ... the Minister of Defense or the leftist no-name graphomaniac on the Internet that constantly broadcasts how bad everything is supposedly?

                  Oh yeah
                  Continue to live in a fairy tale called The Naked King.

                  We apparently live in different countries ...
                  My Samara is probably in an alternative universe ...
    3. Momento
      Momento 1 January 2022 20: 09
      -2
      Pershing 2 was hypersonic and with a maneuverable glider. and this is the 80s.
      and the USSR was more interested in destroying Pershing 2 than America in destroying the pioneer.
      1. Cowbra
        Cowbra 2 January 2022 00: 15
        0
        I love these specialists ... Everyone knows. That the glider and the body of revolution are one and the same, that in hypersound Pershing and theoretically could not go anywhere - the plasma did not allow to see anything. But everyone knows) What, for example, Pershing is a ballistic missile because it flew through ballistic territory, i.e. after start-up, it was not directed anywhere - they also know)))
        Instantly - and at sea (s)
        1. Momento
          Momento 2 January 2022 21: 14
          0
          naturally along a ballistic trajectory. all ballistic missiles fly on a ballistic trajectory) however the pershing warhead has obvious rudders. so…
          1. SovAr238A
            SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 23
            +1
            Quote: Momento
            naturally along a ballistic trajectory. all ballistic missiles fly on a ballistic trajectory) however the pershing warhead has obvious rudders. so…


            I had.
            Only here the GOS and the Rudders opened only after reducing the speed to the level of M3 ...
            And this happened at altitudes below 40 km.
            When the speeds dropped very much ...
            Physics, as it was in the 70s and 80s, has remained the same today.
            This is only at the military PR department of the Russian Ministry of Defense - physics has become different ...
    4. Grits
      Grits 2 January 2022 03: 33
      -1
      Quote: paul3390
      The question is - where will Russia and China go by that time?

      And where else can you go? there will be no break. In the best case, these missiles can be unified in all environments - water, air, earth. And everything, there is nothing more to improve
    5. Eroma
      Eroma 2 January 2022 22: 44
      +1
      About the United States and Russia with hypersonic information, as it were, is enough to understand who has what, who is lagging behind. We have the Dagger, which is already in the troops and is tied to a specific carrier of the MiG 31, there is the Vanguard also in the troops on the ICBM, and there is the Zircon for the Navy, which has completed a kind of test, uses a standard PU of modern ships and are waiting for its production, everything is clear. The United States has a couple of projects that have not yet been tested and what's what with a pitchfork on the water.
      But about China, everyone says that they are ahead of the United States for years, but in what? There is no information that would be buzzing with ears, only UAVs were shown at the parade, but what else does China have? Where is he really ahead of the United States?
    6. Muddy Seeing ORACLE
      Muddy Seeing ORACLE 3 January 2022 00: 39
      0
      Well, there further quantum teleports will soon appear in Russia, which will be able to deliver directly warheads to any point of the world map almost instantly.
    7. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 3 January 2022 19: 55
      0
      Quote: paul3390
      The fact that the mattress makers will sooner or later finish the hypersound is beyond doubt .. Still, a great technological and scientific power is still not everywhere, command positions have not been distributed to blacks and transvestites .. The question is - where will Russia and China go by that time? The modern arms race is a serious thing - a lag even by 10 years can be fatal - you will fucking catch up with your opponents .. Unless, of course, they themselves, out of stupidity, don't slow down ..


      Are there many Daggers in service?
      And how many carriers of these Daggers?

      China may leave, but the Russian Federation has no chance.
      Everything that was in the Soviet backlog - all the unrealized projects that in those years were rejected as complete slag, namely Poseidon, Petrel, Avangard - everyone is trying to implement ...
      For they really cannot do anything new.
      Allegedly hypersonic Dagger - the essence of Iskander redesigned for air launch. It has been leading its history since the 70s, for it is practically a copy of the Oka complex, a deteriorated copy. Essentially a Soviet project. Not Russian. Soviet.
      And for some reason, the speed of the same Oka was interpreted as 10M and no one threw their caps into the air.
      And as PR services appeared in the Russian Ministry of Defense, all the Urya-Patriots began to breathe and pray for "hypersound".
  3. Nyrobsky
    Nyrobsky 1 January 2022 15: 48
    -6
    It probably makes sense to turn the United States into a nuclear test site before they finish perfecting the weapon of murder of humanity on a planetary scale in order to provide themselves with a food base at the expense of the lives of billions of destroyed earthlings. USA is a fiend of evil.
    1. lot
      lot 1 January 2022 16: 19
      +8
      To do this, we need to saw more churches here, so that God is on our side laughing laughing at the same time to save on scientific developments.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 1 January 2022 16: 38
        -2
        Quote: lot
        To do this, we need to saw more churches here, so that God is on our side
        God is in his soul. He either is, or he is not. The church is just a place where those who believe gather. Nobody and nothing prevents you from reading the prayer outside the church walls.
        1. Hiroo Onoda
          Hiroo Onoda 1 January 2022 17: 16
          -6
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Quote: lot
          To do this, we need to saw more churches here, so that God is on our side
          God is in his soul. He either is, or he is not. The church is just a place where those who believe gather. Nobody and nothing prevents you from reading the prayer outside the church walls.

          Gagarin flew into space, said there are no gods there.
          And what is he doing in his soul? Washes?
          1. Nyrobsky
            Nyrobsky 1 January 2022 17: 56
            +1
            Quote: Hiroo Onoda
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            Quote: lot
            To do this, we need to saw more churches here, so that God is on our side
            God is in his soul. He either is, or he is not. The church is just a place where those who believe gather. Nobody and nothing prevents you from reading the prayer outside the church walls.

            Gagarin flew into space, said there are no gods there.
            And what is he doing in his soul? Washes?

            Why do you want it?
            1. Hiroo Onoda
              Hiroo Onoda 1 January 2022 18: 40
              -9
              Quote: Nyrobsky
              Why do you want it?

              I haven't drunk with you yet for brotherhood, and I haven't twisted the tails of cows sad
              Where were you brought up? In a religious family?
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 1 January 2022 19: 25
                +8
                Quote: Hiroo Onoda
                I haven't drunk with you yet for brotherhood, and I haven't twisted the tails of cows

                Thank God, he took me away from such a partner
                Quote: Hiroo Onoda
                Where were you brought up? In a religious family?

                In Soviet Union. Are you satisfied?
          2. Sharky
            Sharky 2 January 2022 18: 45
            +1
            Gagarin flew into space, said there are no gods there.
            And what is he doing in his soul? Washes?

            I am looking at an article that was just interesting yesterday, comrade Ryabov wrote, on a topic that we zealously discussed yesterday in another piece of news. I read all your comments under it. Unfortunately, I did not find your logical and pragmatic reasoning for this article. I was especially waiting for your wise explanations about the control systems for our hypersonic missiles and your reflections on the timing of the creation of exactly hypersonic missiles from the Americans. We slipped into some strange off-topic discussion and didn't write anything concrete. Basically, I'm not surprised. Thank you for showing your incompetence. good
            1. Hiroo Onoda
              Hiroo Onoda 2 January 2022 18: 58
              -2
              Quote: Sharky
              your logical and pragmatic reasoning

              As you can see, here is a little about something else)
              I can give you logical reasoning on the mountain if you ask a specific question. What exactly are you interested in?
              Any coastal and shipborne radar stations will not be able to fully issue a control center for moving sea targets, especially those in radio silence. Without AWACS aviation, of which we have 7 units in service for the entire fleet and all the armed forces in general, what else will the control center issue for AUG for hypersonic missiles? I will listen carefully to your options. Comrades have already suggested to me this option - to launch a rocket somewhere there, in the intended direction of the AUG, roughly speaking, to the north, and the GOS will sort it out there))
              I don't know, maybe you can offer a more intelligible option, I love collecting them, the hypotheses of our Central Administration))
              1. Sharky
                Sharky 2 January 2022 19: 34
                +1
                Well, that's more interesting.
                What exactly are you interested in?

                I would like to know your opinion about the notorious Liana control center system. It is the satellite component. They write on the Internet: unique satellites will be able to detect enemy ships in any corner of the oceans for thousands of kilometers and accurately aim winged "Calibers" at them, as well as hypersonic "Daggers" and "Zircons".
                What are your predictions about its readiness and will the Americans have time to create their own hypersonic weapons by its readiness?
                Comrades have already suggested to me this option - to launch a rocket somewhere there, in the intended direction of the AUG, roughly speaking, to the north, and the GOS will sort it out there))

                As far as I understand, the GOS is connected at the final stage of the flight trajectory, although I do not exclude that the rocket can move all the way through the laid down map of the terrain and heights initially in the GOS. The main thing is to set the coordinates initially, where it will go and turn on the active mode at the last stage. Am I wrong?
                1. Hiroo Onoda
                  Hiroo Onoda 2 January 2022 22: 21
                  -3
                  Quote: Sharky
                  about the notorious "Liana" control center system

                  And here everything is very simple - just google how many satellites are in the Liana system now, estimate how many of them are needed to cover online observation of at least the Mediterranean Sea (calculate their orbit at speed, orbital period, altitude) - and everything will immediately become clear. There was an article here about approximate calculations, but I can't find a link anymore, I then looked for more accurate data - and the conclusions there are unambiguous. 5 satellites are not just few, they are NOTHING at all. The Americans and Chinese have a lot more of them, but giving out the control center in real time, even for them, is an unbearable task and will not be implemented soon. We need at least hundreds, or even thousands of satellites, different, with different parameters.
                  That is why, in issuing control instructions, they do not rely on satellites, but are actively developing AWACS aviation, which, unfortunately, we do not do.
                  As a promising (!) Reconnaissance and detection system - yes! As the issuance of the control center in real time - and not close, and will not be soon, if any.
                  Quote: Sharky
                  will be able to detect ships thousands of kilometers away

                  Utopia
                  Calibres

                  Do you have any data on the testing of these products on moving sea targets? There is none of them.
                  Zircons

                  I do not like to discuss weapons that have not been accepted for use, at the testing stage, this is pouring from empty to empty ("just about" does not count)
                  Daggers

                  A good rocket, it's a pity there are few carriers for it, or almost none, given the aircraft in a threatening direction, I will not repeat about the detection and control center, it is not beautiful)
                  your predictions

                  They are disappointing (
                  will the Americans have time to create

                  These are semantically unrelated questions, perhaps very indirectly.
                  I am mistaken?

                  In general, and if we abstract, then no, you are not mistaken, but this:
                  1. Much more difficult to implement than to declare
                  2. The seeker is perfectly jammed by enemy electronic warfare and is carried away by traps, and in general it is not a panacea far.
                  1. Sharky
                    Sharky 2 January 2022 22: 28
                    +1
                    Thanks for the detailed answer. For now, I will digest the information.
                    1. Hiroo Onoda
                      Hiroo Onoda 2 January 2022 22: 30
                      -4
                      You are welcome. I am always glad for an adequate discussion.
                      1. Sharky
                        Sharky 2 January 2022 23: 17
                        0
                        Necessarily, a tactful discussion without getting personal, this is something that many people lack here, unfortunately. Usually everything ends with minuses, if the opinion does not coincide, without any arguments and facts, unfortunately.
                  2. paul3390
                    paul3390 3 January 2022 02: 25
                    0
                    Do you have any data on the testing of these products on moving sea targets? There is none of them.

                    That is, you say with a blue eye that the product 3M-54 without any tests is not only what is adopted by the Russian Navy, but is also exported ?? belay hi

                    2009 - according to SIPRI, Vietnam and Russia signed a contract for the supply of 40 3M-54E missiles of the Club-S complex for arming the submarines of pr.06361 supplied to Vietnam.

                    - 2017 December 22 - Vietnamese television shows a report on the first successful launch of the KR 3M-54E from a submarine of Project 06361 of the Vietnamese Navy.



                    Footage of the first successful launch of the KR 3M-54E from the submarine pr.06361 of the Vietnamese Navy
                  3. paul3390
                    paul3390 3 January 2022 02: 35
                    0
                    how many satellites are in the Liana system now, estimate how many of them are needed to cover online observation of at least the Mediterranean Sea (calculate their orbit at speed, orbital period, altitude) - and everything will immediately become clear.

                    How does this compare with the following statement:

                    Now in orbit there are already five "Lotos" passive electronic reconnaissance satellites. To complete the formation of the system, it remains to commission two satellites "Pion-NKS"
              2. this
                this 3 January 2022 16: 00
                -1
                The ship is like an airplane, it will not sail far even in half an hour, and it gives a huge illumination, so I let it into that area and the rocket will find it itself. It can be seen from very far away, over-the-horizon radars were not invented yesterday, and they conduct all dangerous cruise missile carriers, and they are not silent, this is not an airplane.
                1. Hiroo Onoda
                  Hiroo Onoda 3 January 2022 16: 13
                  -1
                  Quote: tohoto
                  let in that area

                  ZGRLS are suitable for detection, not control units. And detection is very, very relative. If the NK goes in the radio silence mode, it will not be detected, and they will only go on in the order until the air wing destroys the anti-ship missile carrier and these same ZGRLS.
                  Remember the incident in the late 70s, when two AUGs went off the coast of Kamchatka, and for several days they were chased by at least two regiments of naval reconnaissance aircraft, and could not find it. AUG was in the radio silence mode then. So then the USSR was at the peak of its military power. Opportunities for naval reconnaissance and aviation are now not nearly the same. So ask yourself a question - why did the ZGRLS not help then? Huy was then promoted to the highest party leadership.
                  And then - the ZGRLS does not bury the entire coast in threatening directions. They need to be built on the shore every 500 km of the coastline - so count them.
                  1. this
                    this 3 January 2022 16: 35
                    -2
                    Without a clue of what was in the 70s, now a fundamentally different level of technology. And what a nafig control center for long-range anti-ship missiles, fired in that direction, the missile itself will find there, the target will not be washed off quickly, it does not need target illumination like air-to-air, there will be a place for a good radar. And the radars, according to you, with what angle on the horizon work 5 degrees or what, there is one enough for the entire Black Sea. Yes, and there is satellite reconnaissance and these ships are being conducted at once, well, you can't hide the AUG from modern reconnaissance, maybe from ancient satellites, but not modern ones, at all.
                    1. Hiroo Onoda
                      Hiroo Onoda 3 January 2022 16: 57
                      -2
                      Quote: tohoto
                      now a fundamentally different level of technology

                      I repeat to you once again - the capabilities in naval reconnaissance were incomparably higher then than they are now, even taking into account the development of technology.
                      there the rocket will find itself

                      Yeah, it will find it if the electronic warfare does not burn the seeker))) and the traps are false? There are at least dozens of them in the order
                      satellite reconnaissance available

                      Why do you think the Americans and other leading fleets of the world are actively developing AWACS aviation if you can see everything from satellites at a glance? What do you think? And we have billions of dollars for the development of the A-100. Do you count all the fools? There should be enough satellites! How does your logic dictate here?
                      1. this
                        this 3 January 2022 18: 58
                        0
                        Where did you get what it doesn’t have, the Ministry of Defense launched a lot of satellites, there are even spy satellites on other satellites, and it can control them with great accuracy in orbit, which means that the position system is working very well, now in general the military has begun to be very secretive again. many things are recognized by the public after the tests or when they are already going to the troops. .About where you read it, it hasn't worked for a very long time, there switching from passive to active very quickly, and radars are not laser guns and the frequency at large distances will not allow it, traps are also an old topic, like AI on rockets, still stood on Granites, and these rockets do not fly, one at a time, a bunch of them fly. And read about the American anti-ship missile practice, everything is not very good there, they don't even bother about interception, but focus on aviation, only the Papuans can bomb. Aircraft radars are made for detecting small targets, AUG is not just to detect, it is very strange to lose it, such a fool.
                      2. Hiroo Onoda
                        Hiroo Onoda 3 January 2022 19: 04
                        -1
                        Quote: tohoto
                        many things are learned by the public

                        Well, just the data on Liana is public - there are 5 satellites in the system there. Do you doubt the official infe from the MO?
                        where have you read from

                        Everything works beautifully, the GOS is quite simple to deceive, I read it from the sources
                        Quote: tohoto
                        traps are an old topic too

                        The topic may be old, but working. If you think so - aviation is also an old topic, right?
                        Quote: tohoto
                        AUG is not something to discover

                        Very difficult as a mobile naval target. Not only to give out the Central Command, it is extremely difficult to detect it with our naval reconnaissance forces, if it goes in radio silence mode, and it request
                      3. this
                        this 3 January 2022 19: 09
                        0
                        Why find it there, they don't even lose it from the moment they leave the ports. what kind of GOS is simply to deceive their several varieties, if constant radiation like on rockets, then only by the Doppler effect, but somehow it only works on very cheap ones, I can only remember the Chinese ones. On ours it no longer works, there is a system for memorizing the target and it is not so easy to shoot it down with a trap, as well as a beam of interference, it will aim at it.
                      4. Hiroo Onoda
                        Hiroo Onoda 3 January 2022 19: 15
                        -3
                        Quote: tohoto
                        do not even lose from the moment they exit the ports

                        In a peaceful period, it is possible.
                        Military or threatening - everything will be completely different recourse
                    2. Hiroo Onoda
                      Hiroo Onoda 3 January 2022 17: 18
                      -1
                      Quote: tohoto
                      long-range anti-ship missiles

                      And another problem. How many such carriers do we have?
                      For example, at least the same Daggers. A dozen or so MIG-31? It's funny for our territory, or rather sad.
                    3. SovAr238A
                      SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 30
                      0
                      Quote: tohoto
                      Without a clue of what was in the 70s, now a fundamentally different level of technology. And what a nafig control center for long-range anti-ship missiles, fired in that direction, the missile itself will find there, the target will not be washed off quickly, it does not need target illumination like air-to-air, there will be a place for a good radar. And the radars, according to you, with what angle on the horizon work 5 degrees or what, there is one enough for the entire Black Sea. Yes, and there is satellite reconnaissance and these ships are being conducted at once, well, you can't hide the AUG from modern reconnaissance, maybe from ancient satellites, but not modern ones, at all.


                      ZGRLS - does not know how to clearly select reng and the distance to the target at the same time.
                      The range of sea-based ZGRLS Sunflower does not exceed 200-230 miles for a target of the BOD type.
                      Humble yourself.
                2. SovAr238A
                  SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 28
                  0
                  Quote: tohoto
                  The ship is like an airplane, it will not sail far even in half an hour, and it gives a huge illumination, so I let it into that area and the rocket will find it itself. It can be seen from very far away, over-the-horizon radars were not invented yesterday, and they conduct all dangerous cruise missile carriers, and they are not silent, this is not an airplane.


                  Yes Yes.
                  Do you google about values ​​such as:
                  Target capture range of GOS anti-ship missiles,
                  Angle of capture of the target of the seeker of the anti-ship missile system,
                  RCC flight altitude,

                  Combine all this and you will understand why no one has ever fired missiles from maximum ranges ...
        2. pytar
          pytar 1 January 2022 21: 49
          +3
          God is in his soul. He either is, or he is not. The church is just a place where those who believe gather. Nobody and nothing prevents you from reading the prayer outside the church walls.

          Respect! hi
    2. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 3 January 2022 23: 29
      0
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      It probably makes sense to turn the United States into a nuclear test site before they finish perfecting the weapon of murder of humanity on a planetary scale in order to provide themselves with a food base at the expense of the lives of billions of destroyed earthlings. USA is a fiend of evil.

      Imagine, but they think the same about us ...
      And what do I do?
      Vote?
      So they have three times more inhabitants than ours?
      What to do then?
      Tell me about America's great vitrifier?
    3. onstar9
      onstar9 21 January 2022 02: 46
      -1
      Quote: Nyrobsky
      It probably makes sense to turn the United States into a nuclear test site before they finish perfecting the weapon of murder of humanity on a planetary scale in order to provide themselves with a food base at the expense of the lives of billions of destroyed earthlings. USA is a fiend of evil.

      You're bad at thinking, friend. You are the fiend of hell. A victim of Putin's propaganda. Putin needs palaces, and you, a slave, need to die for his imperial greatness in Syria ... for three kopecks of salary ...
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 21 January 2022 10: 12
        +1
        Quote: onstar9
        You're bad at thinking, friend. You are the fiend of hell. A victim of Putin's propaganda. Putin needs palaces, and you, a slave, need to die for his imperial greatness in Syria ... for three kopecks of salary ...

        The slave of mattress propaganda said .... Go Aslan kiss the portrait of Bidon
  4. Split
    Split 1 January 2022 17: 36
    +3
    Well yes ... partially successful only 1 launch when the rocket is successful! fell off the plane emnip good offset lol
  5. mvnmln
    mvnmln 1 January 2022 18: 08
    -1
    A note about nothing. I put "+" - it turns out "-" and vice versa! Bravo guys!
  6. Opiuk
    Opiuk 1 January 2022 18: 29
    -6
    Quote: paul3390
    The fact that the mattress makers will sooner or later finish the hypersound is beyond doubt .. Still, a great technological and scientific power is still not everywhere, command positions have not been distributed to blacks and transvestites .. The question is - where will Russia and China go by that time? The modern arms race is a serious thing - a lag even by 10 years can be fatal - you will fucking catch up with your opponents .. Unless, of course, they themselves, out of stupidity, don't slow down ..

    Consider what they are experiencing. For example, an LRHW with a speed of 17 mach and a range of 2775+ km, which no one else has equal to it in the project, and they are already preparing to test it. ARRW is also a very promising option, more than 20 swings and no one else has equal, even in the project. If they really finish it up to 24-25 years, the question will arise who is lagging behind whom, because China and the Russian Federation simply will not have weapons with such capabilities except for the Russian Ju-71, but I strongly doubt that the hypersonic UBB Yu-71 can be used in ordinary conflicts like in Syria, for example, rather it is needed for the last war. They want to take such a leap to eliminate the lagging behind and even overtake their competitors, whether it will work out - time will tell.
    1. Turist1996
      Turist1996 1 January 2022 19: 32
      +1
      Yes, yes, and John Rambo in Afghanistan felled our airborne troops in batches. We know, we watched ..
    2. this
      this 3 January 2022 16: 03
      0
      Where did you get such speeds from?
  7. rocket757
    rocket757 1 January 2022 18: 38
    +2
    Time will tell whether the Pentagon and industry will be able to cope with all the problems and close the existing gap.
    ... If you suffer for a long time, whatever will fly.
    Suppose that the striped opponents are also developing the next family, the generation of missiles ...
    Again and again, the next stage of the "competition" and so on ad infinitum !!! And could already fly to Mars !!!
  8. faterdom
    faterdom 1 January 2022 19: 58
    +2
    We wish you further creative failures and ever-increasing waste in this field. They messed up a lot to get out cheaply and quickly. Including the physical dimensions of the standard MK-41 cells, into which hypersonic missiles even theoretically will not fit, that is, when the missiles are created, then a new fleet will have to be built for them.
    The price of the issue? I hope that the economy will break down sooner, because there is no one else to plunder apart from Europe.
  9. dreamshake
    dreamshake 1 January 2022 21: 14
    -1
    2021 year.
    Russia has all types of hypersonic weapons on alert: sea, underwater, air and land based.

    USA: 3rd time unsuccessfully launching a blank from an ancient as a mammoth B-52

    This is all you need to know about the development of military-industrial complex technologies in these countries.
    1. SovAr238A
      SovAr238A 3 January 2022 20: 31
      -1
      Quote: Dreamshake
      2021 year.
      Russia has all types of hypersonic weapons on alert: sea, underwater, air and land based.

      USA: 3rd time unsuccessfully launching a blank from an ancient as a mammoth B-52

      This is all you need to know about the development of military-industrial complex technologies in these countries.


      Write about the Su-57 and the F-35 the way you like and usually write!
  10. bar
    bar 1 January 2022 22: 24
    +3
    According to current plans, the first launch of a hypersonic missile from an experienced LRHW will take place in the coming weeks or months.

    ... or years, or not in the next ...
    1. onstar9
      onstar9 21 January 2022 02: 50
      -1
      Quote: bar
      According to current plans, the first launch of a hypersonic missile from an experienced LRHW will take place in the coming weeks or months.

      ... or years, or not in the next ...

      They'll catch up, don't worry. And pretty fast.
  11. Cowbra
    Cowbra 1 January 2022 22: 35
    -1
    Successful launches of ARRW so far can only be seen in pictures.

    laughing As well as the reliable operation of air defense and missile defense, including the SM-3 repeat But Disney studio is not without work.
    The problem is not even that it didn’t fly, the problem is - you generally solved the problem on which you turned the hypersound last time - you could not aim it anywhere? Well, another problem,

    Funny numbers - the mass was expected to be somewhere more per ton, the range is too small, the main targets are announced - "Microsoft" ("soft and motionless" and small, judging by the mass of the warhead) and the price of the "product" is indicated ...

    ... and the main thing - while you are sawing there - North Korea has overtaken you and will have time to make the second generation)))
  12. Radikal
    Radikal 1 January 2022 22: 40
    0
    Quote: paul3390
    lagging behind us in microelectronics

    I'm not sure about that. For the constant race for magic microns on a chip is leveled by the complete lack of programming culture in recent years .. Instead of optimizing the code, hired Indians are piling up wild constructions that require more and more resources and performance each time .. This is me who is the overwhelming majority of tasks it is possible to solve on older chips no less efficiently. If you write the software correctly.

    I remember in the distant young years - my unforgettable OS / 2 WARP was launched in 4 MB of memory !! True - it groaned for an hour, but it started up along with the graphical shell! This was a correctly and well-written thing. Not like modern hack .. Philip Kahn once postulated that any useful software should fit on a maximum of 4 floppy disks. And after all, he almost succeeded ..

    May be. However, the industrial capacities remaining after the pogrom will be able to do this? In the conditions that have developed in the country - the question is rhetorical ... The fleet is a failure, aviation, especially the civilian failure. BBM - funny, I would say, mean people show at exhibitions, how to put it mildly - d-Ermo, or improved Soviet models. The guarantor is happy! (development of the troops of the national guard)! This one, like him, did not serve, yeah - the Hero of the Russian Federation, he also had everything in a bunch when there was Min. Emergency Situations Ministry planes delivered caviar to Moscow. This is operational information for those wishing to complain. So it is necessary to count not in megabytes, but in completely different values ​​.... sad
    1. Serge-667
      Serge-667 2 January 2022 00: 24
      +4
      So it is necessary to count not in megabytes, but in completely different values ​​...


      Duc, and we count. In sausage, square millimeters of housing for a lifetime loan, and so on.
      And we are in the Witnesses of the Zircon.
  13. IC
    IC 2 January 2022 01: 25
    +1
    For a real comparison, first of all, it is necessary to compare economic potentials. Especially now, when the cost of new weapons has become prohibitively high.
    1. dreamshake
      dreamshake 2 January 2022 05: 09
      0
      For a real comparison of weapons, only combat potential needs to be compared
  14. Radikal
    Radikal 2 January 2022 07: 17
    +2
    Quote: Serge-667
    So it is necessary to count not in megabytes, but in completely different values ​​...


    Duc, and we count. In sausage, square millimeters of housing for a lifetime loan, and so on.
    And we are in the Witnesses of the Zircon.

    What am I talking about? sad
  15. Jora bayramow
    Jora bayramow 2 January 2022 07: 59
    +1
    Hypersonic missiles, stealth aircraft, deep-sea submarines, well, in general, there is an arms race. It seems to me that it would be better for the whole world to create a single center against comets and asteroids to protect the planet. The start of this project would be based on the Russian interplanetary tug "Zeus" at a nuclear installation. All states of the world would allocate for this only 0,5 percent of GDP per year and you can start. After all, no matter how much we boast of our achievements, we are still powerless against "hypersonic" asteroids and comets. The problem is waiting for its solution
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 5 January 2022 13: 25
      0
      Hypersonic missiles, stealth aircraft, deep-sea submarines, well, in general, there is an arms race. It seems to me that it would be better if the whole world would create

      Wars should not be underestimated. It was intraspecific aggression that saved humanity and allowed it to settle and live until the 21st century.

      Without wars and conflicts, everyone would sit peacefully within a known territory, and a khan would come to everyone in the event of a major cataclysm

      This opinion was met, and it seemed logical to me
  16. Outsider
    Outsider 2 January 2022 21: 26
    +3
    Quote: paul3390
    The Queen and Landau were also artificially limited to the camps?

    And he and the other - sat for very specific cases, there is no need to throw liberal propaganda here .. They thought it over, were released and finally brought considerable benefit to the Motherland ..

    - Korolev, Landau and another one and a half million were "on business" ?? They "changed their minds and reformed" - and then they were released ?! Where does such a piggy worldview come from a modern shkolota ?! Do history teachers really tell you this in class?
  17. Basarev
    Basarev 17 February 2022 17: 47
    -2
    Everything is simple. In the States, hypersound is honest 343x5 as the own speed of a rocket in the densest surface layers. And we, as always, began to scam. Not 343, but much less, because the speed of sound in the stratosphere is lower. And it gives out such a speed not in the surface layers, but at a height where the air density is less. And she does not reach such speeds herself, but starts from the side of a three-wing interceptor. That is, according to the Hamburg account, our missiles have no right to be called hypersonic. But the Americans will certainly master it, they have complete order with financing, technologies, equipment and personnel.