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Dry dock of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex was put into operation

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The construction of a new dry dock has been completed at the Zvezda shipyard in Bolshoy Kamen in Primorye. According to the press service of the enterprise, the dock was commissioned three years ahead of schedule.


Commissioning works have been completed at the new dock, and the facility has been commissioned. Prior to that, Zvezda's specialists, together with representatives of regulatory organizations, checked the dry dock for compliance with all the necessary parameters.

It is emphasized that the dry dock is a key element of the second stage of construction of the Zvezda shipyard. The dock is one of the largest structures of this type in the world. Its dimensions are 485 meters long, 114 meters wide, and its depth is 14 meters. It has four tower cranes with a lifting capacity of 60 tons and one Goliath crane with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons, and pumping equipment has been installed. The dock, the bottom level of which is lower, is separated from the water area by a special waterproof bathoport gate 114 meters long and 12 meters high. A carriageway is located on top of the bathoport, which greatly simplifies the passage of vehicles to the other part of the dock.

In the dock itself there is a technological gate, which allows dividing the dock area into several independent compartments when building several ships at once. The dimensions of the dock make it possible to build ships and ships without limiting the tonnage and launching weight of the hulls.

To date, the Zvezda shipbuilding complex has already put into operation: a hull production unit, painting booths, an open heavy outfitting slipway, and a transport and transfer dock. Although the shipyard has not yet been completed, the construction of ships is already underway.
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  1. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 21 December 2021 12: 23
    +55
    The construction of a new dry dock has been completed at the Zvezda shipyard in Bolshoy Kamen in Primorye.

    Good news for the New Year. Well done!
    1. seti
      seti 21 December 2021 12: 35
      +34
      Not just good news, but great news.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 December 2021 16: 38
        +13
        Quote: seti
        Not just good news, but great news.

        Whatever they say, but such an enterprise built after the collapse of the USSR is a great thing (when some ruin their CVD, Russia creates it).
        1. Edik
          Edik 22 December 2021 16: 23
          0
          Vlad about Bam 2 have not heard?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 22 December 2021 17: 40
            0
            Quote: Edik
            Vlad about Bam 2 have not heard?

            This is about the one from Murmansk to the Bering Strait, or what?
    2. barclay
      barclay 21 December 2021 13: 01
      +15
      I agree, the news is great! Now it remains to find a sufficient number of qualified workers.
      1. PROXOR
        PROXOR 21 December 2021 13: 55
        +6
        I have a different question. Will this dock be used to build surface ships for the Pacific Fleet? For the situation with the surface forces of the Pacific Fleet is simply CATASTROPHIC!

        And the second question: What is there with the dock at Sevmash for Kuzi. Let Kuzya and a non-aircraft carrier, but all the same, it is a missile aircraft-carrying cruiser. And he can play his 10 bars in battle.
        1. NOMADE
          NOMADE 21 December 2021 14: 16
          +13
          Not in the near future. This is a "commercial" project of Rossneft, the construction of gas carriers and, in part, the laying of an icebreaker is underway.
          1. Momento
            Momento 22 December 2021 00: 55
            +2
            are preparing for sectoral sanctions. and properly liquefied gas can be sold regardless of any sanctions.
        2. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 21 December 2021 16: 42
          +5
          Quote: PROXOR
          Will this dock be used to build surface ships for the Pacific Fleet?

          In commercial shipbuilding, everything is just like in the "Golden Calf": Money in the evening, ships in the morning, but money in advance "(and the prices are different there.)
      2. Vladimir Mashkov
        Vladimir Mashkov 22 December 2021 18: 43
        0
        Quote: barclay
        I agree, the news is great! Now it remains to find a sufficient number of qualified workers.

        You need good housing and decent wages. Then everything will be. Success in this! smile
        1. VicktorVR
          VicktorVR 23 December 2021 07: 06
          0
          You have to teach your own. And you have to. Are there really no smart people in the Far East?
          Even young people decide to go only in very good conditions, this housing and salary is at least one and a half times higher than they can expect at home. In the Urals, for example, intelligent graduates of VTUZs get a job for at least 30t.r. Ready for them 45t.r. on the Far East to pay a lorry for two to provide? I think the locals will gladly work on such conditions.
          And as for specialists and professionals, and even, for example, from the northern capital, I have no idea how to lure them to the Far East. These people are no longer young, they no longer have adventurism, but there are families who also need conditions.
    3. Subtext
      Subtext 21 December 2021 13: 10
      -15
      I hope our aircraft carrier is already rushing towards him to dock? It will be faster ...
      1. fa2998
        fa2998 21 December 2021 17: 10
        +2
        This is almost a trip around the world, in his condition it is contraindicated! hi
    4. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 21 December 2021 13: 30
      +26
      And that's great!
      Great news, it confirms once again that the work is going on.
      And there were opinions that nothing would work, everyone would steal and drown, that the hands were crooked and there was no head ...

      So, the industry is recovering! The successes are impressive, and the dock looks simply gorgeous from a height. soldier
      1. zloybond
        zloybond 21 December 2021 20: 19
        +7
        Gorgeous. But this is a commercial project. Most likely for gas carriers.
      2. Captain45
        Captain45 21 December 2021 20: 21
        +12
        Quote: RealPilot
        So, the industry is recovering! The successes are impressive, and the dock looks simply gorgeous from a height.

        Well, not only this, for example, on Sakhalin, since the Japanese occupation, the railway network was of the Japanese standard in gauge and even the mighty USSR did not remake this network to the Soviet standard, but Russian Railways quietly altered the entire railway in 8 years Sakhalin network to the Russian standard 1520 mm. This is about success.
        1. Azis
          Azis 21 December 2021 21: 04
          -5
          Quote: Captain45
          Well, not only this, for example, on Sakhalin, since the Japanese occupation, the railway network was of the Japanese standard in gauge and even the mighty USSR did not remake this network to the Soviet standard, but Russian Railways quietly altered the entire railway in 8 years Sakhalin network to the Russian standard 1520 mm. This is about success.
          In the comments to the article "1520. Who will derail the trains?" (https://topwar.ru/190233-1520-kto-pustit-poezda-pod-otkos.html) They write unpleasant things about such "successes".
          1. avg avg
            avg avg 22 December 2021 07: 19
            +4
            What did you expect from Roman?
        2. Kedrovich
          Kedrovich 22 December 2021 04: 21
          +3
          For a long time they scratched their backside. It's just that in the USSR, all the resources were dumped on the BAM. And even then they did not have time to finish building it. And someone in the ministries decided that it would be okay so far.
    5. smart fellow
      smart fellow 21 December 2021 14: 27
      -11
      Chinese builders.
      1. smart fellow
        smart fellow 21 December 2021 19: 32
        +5
        Which were built according to a South Korean project. But what was built well.
  2. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 21 December 2021 12: 23
    +10
    The construction of a new dry dock has been completed at the Zvezda shipyard in Bolshoy Kamen in Primorye. According to the press service of the enterprise, the dock was put into operation three years ahead of schedule.
    Wow, how is that? Five-year at 4, a trifle ...
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 21 December 2021 12: 47
      -5
      According to the press service of the enterprise, the dock was commissioned three years ahead of schedule.

      They can when they want! good
      To clean up a couple of Russian oligarchs from the first lines of the Forbes list (you can find reasons ... and you need to !!!), so our prices at gas stations will become divine and kW / h will be, like in the USSR, 2 kopecks each.
      1. sanek45744
        sanek45744 21 December 2021 13: 04
        -27
        Why don't other people's money give you peace of mind!
        1. abrakadabre
          abrakadabre 21 December 2021 13: 10
          +30
          Why don't other people's money give you peace of mind!
          And who told you that they are strangers? They are honestly stolen from the workers.
          1. sanek45744
            sanek45744 21 December 2021 13: 18
            -17
            Is there any evidence?
            1. lucul
              lucul 21 December 2021 14: 33
              +20
              "Is there evidence?"

              Proofs were formulated by Mikhail Lomonosov at one time - "that how much of what is taken from one body, so much will be added to another, so if where a few matter is lost, it will multiply in another place ..."
              Money does not appear out of thin air (I do not take into account the loan interest in this case). And if someone suddenly became rich, practically not producing anything (products), it means that everyone else became impoverished by the same amount))))
              1. sanek45744
                sanek45744 21 December 2021 14: 44
                -14
                I will say it again, the time was like that, and then it was your very top who did it all. the party that was at that time. Another question is when the communists came to power, they took away factories and plants from the owners, because of the plague, do you understand this question?
          2. Captain45
            Captain45 21 December 2021 20: 24
            +6
            Quote: abrakadabre
            They are honestly stolen from the workers.

            For almost 20 years he worked in the criminal investigation department, but for the first time in my life I hear about HONESTLY STEALED money laughing The commercials will soon shout: Freedom to Yuri Ivanovich! (To Detochkin) laughing
          3. avg avg
            avg avg 22 December 2021 07: 21
            -8
            Tell us how much and who exactly was stolen from you personally?
        2. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 21 December 2021 13: 14
          +11
          Quote: sanek45744
          Why don't other people's money give you peace of mind!

          This is not someone else's money, but people's money, appropriated by forgery and fraud ... When did the thieves learn to make money?
          1. Kushka
            Kushka 21 December 2021 16: 27
            +8
            it's not someone else's money, but people's,
            During interrogation:
            - What am I being accused of?
            -You stole the money!
            -How many?
            - 100 billion!
            -Who?!
            -The people!
            - That you sho! Where does this people get such money!
          2. Piramidon
            Piramidon 21 December 2021 21: 57
            -3
            Quote: ROSS 42
            This is not someone else's money, but people's money

            With the advent of capitalism, such a concept does not exist on a national scale. And even under socialism it existed only as slogans (factories for workers, land for peasants, water for sailors ...). "People's money" is what the people have in their pockets and accounts.
            1. paul3390
              paul3390 23 December 2021 11: 54
              +1
              "People's money" is what the people have in their pockets and accounts.

              And free housing, education, medicine, etc. and so on - at whose expense were they? This is the same people's money ..
              1. Piramidon
                Piramidon 23 December 2021 12: 50
                0
                Okay, it's a stretch to agree. And now what is invested in the concept of "people's money"?
        3. Ingvar 72
          Ingvar 72 21 December 2021 13: 15
          +1
          Quote: sanek45744
          Why don't other people's money give you peace of mind!

          And since when did the money stolen from the people become foreign?
          1. sanek45744
            sanek45744 21 December 2021 13: 20
            -13
            Well, yes, it's boring, some fantasies, but evidence?
            1. NKT
              NKT 21 December 2021 13: 42
              +15
              You need to know the classics)

              “He was getting used to the idea that what had happened didn’t concern him in the least when the thick, custom-made parcel arrived. It contained a book called Capitalist Sharks with the subtitle: A Biography of American Millionaires.

              (…) The first phrase was outlined in blue pencil and read:

              "All major modern fortunes have been acquired in the most dishonorable way."
              (Ilf and Petrov, "The Golden Calf" (1931), ch. 10)
              1. sanek45744
                sanek45744 21 December 2021 13: 50
                -2
                Ahahaha, yeah, that's proof.
                1. Kedrovich
                  Kedrovich 22 December 2021 04: 25
                  +3
                  You can't explain. You are in mathematics and statistics, industry boom boom. So let's not waste energy on your stupid questions. If you want, you will find out for yourself.
                  Well, about the people robbed ... in the 90s it was just the people who were notoriously thrown and robbed. And it still reverberates. This is the path of capitalism.
                  1. sanek45744
                    sanek45744 22 December 2021 10: 20
                    -7
                    Now the experts have arrived. here you are so funny, as provocateurs shout at an inconvenient question at once, the questions are stupid.
        4. Titus_2
          Titus_2 21 December 2021 13: 32
          +4
          And you think that they have their own money and honest grafting. We pay taxes, but the state orders bridges, clinics and so on from taxes. And that's why all the oligarchs are sitting on financial flows from the state, but no one wants to bother with the creation of production facilities.
          1. sanek45744
            sanek45744 21 December 2021 13: 44
            -4
            The first thing about privatization has long been time to forget, as for me, the time was such, and what did the former top of the party's computer do at that time. Now many rich people have made their capital, we can say from 0, and immediately equalize one size fits all. The same Bolsheviks, when they came to power, took away the factories from the owners of the factory, this was not right. According to the second, our taxes are a drop in the ocean, the state lives at the expense of large capital. So the question is, do you want to build a house and there are a couple of people who are ready to do the work. one gives a smaller budget but says it will build and you don’t know anything about it. The second one gives the sum more, but you know that he will build a house. Who will you give the order to?
      2. 210ox
        210ox 21 December 2021 13: 34
        +9
        So to speak. This shipyard was built with the money of the gas-oil oligarchs (I hope). You can see what ships are being built there. And I hope they will build on a full cycle and not only gas carriers.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 21 December 2021 13: 44
          -4
          Quote: 210ox
          with the money of the gas-oil oligarchs (hopefully).

          Do you think that being in the right place at the right time gives you any rights to own natural resources? I doubt it ... Even the right of some people to arrogate to themselves state powers ... There are certain judicial instances (by the way, what is there in Russia on the prevalence of Russian laws over international ones in the light of existing amendments?) ... They will figure out what and where. At the same time, they will look at the faces of the owners if they want to come to their former homeland ... Let's see whose signatures are on the documents for the right of ownership ... Adopt a law on deprivation of rights and powers - two fingers on the asphalt ...
          1. sanek45744
            sanek45744 21 December 2021 13: 51
            -1
            And what is there to understand, it was your elite who was in power at that time, wasn't it?
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 21 December 2021 16: 04
              +2
              Quote: sanek45744
              And what is there to understand, it was your elite who was in power at that time, wasn't it?

              You lad, haven't you misled the Ramses? EBN was never my chosen one, and after the anti-alcohol decree, I began to treat the HMS as:
              “If he doesn’t drink, then it’s either sick or mean.”
              The second turned out to be correct.
              ==========
              I understand that during the repartition you yourself were in the form of ... poles. repeat
              1. sanek45744
                sanek45744 21 December 2021 16: 13
                -14
                For whom is the lad, and for whom is the master this time. and two and what does it have to do with ebn and gms, I'm talking about the picture as a whole. what is there for 2 people to talk about. all the same, and took the top of the party lump at that time. your comrades have betrayed you all. And now you are all sitting and regretting that you did not find yourself at the wrong time. It's time to measure up.
                1. Ross xnumx
                  Ross xnumx 21 December 2021 16: 16
                  +3
                  You and Mr.? Do you have a yacht, a secretary, a palace on the Spanish Riviera, Swiss bank accounts? Not...
                  Then you, my friend (or mommy?), Are the most common ...as "A man of low moral principles."
                  1. sanek45744
                    sanek45744 21 December 2021 16: 20
                    -9
                    You have outdated concepts. yes, when there are no arguments, you can be rude. But why don't you say when your comrades killed and robbed people who honestly earned their capital? or is it different is it acceptable for a communist? if we talk about history then forget about it.
                    1. Ross xnumx
                      Ross xnumx 21 December 2021 16: 25
                      +5
                      Quote: sanek45744
                      You have outdated concepts.

                      You are boring to me with your primitivism. If life will add your mind, it will be just fine ...
                      Quote: sanek45744
                      when did your comrades kill and rob people who honestly earned their capital?

                      My comrades - they defended their homeland, there is such a profession.
                      ==========
                      Do not bother yourself, otherwise your head will burst ...
                      1. sanek45744
                        sanek45744 21 December 2021 17: 05
                        -11
                        Well, campaigning began, but in fact it was zero, solid water. These are the ones you ran and took away factories, factories and then scribbled denunciations on the neighbors. and you just want to return it all apparently from nostalgia.
                        as an uncomfortable question you immediately move out and who of us is still a person with low moral principles. How convenient and comrade, and when it is not convenient, a comrade is no longer a comrade, isn't it.
                      2. Aag
                        Aag 21 December 2021 20: 10
                        +3
                        Quote: ROSS 42
                        Quote: sanek45744
                        You have outdated concepts.

                        You are boring to me with your primitivism. If life will add your mind, it will be just fine ...
                        Quote: sanek45744
                        when did your comrades kill and rob people who honestly earned their capital?

                        My comrades - they defended their homeland, there is such a profession.
                        ==========
                        Do not bother yourself, otherwise your head will burst ...

                        Dear ROSS 42!
                        It seems that you should just ignore this individual, - the essence of his messages is provocative, moreover, - from different points of view ...
                        And grammar (or respect for the readers?), -... in short, -do not bother yourself, -this is not an opponent.
                      3. sanek45744
                        sanek45744 22 December 2021 09: 24
                        -3
                        Ahah convenient. When you ask you uncomfortable questions, you immediately start screaming provocateurs.
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          2. NOMADE
            NOMADE 21 December 2021 14: 22
            0
            Hah, well, go ahead, write a statement and go to court. Why do populism?)
            1. NOMADE
              NOMADE 21 December 2021 14: 48
              -2
              Ahah, the leavened patriots went to waste)) on the site, the main thing is to loudly write patriotic nonsense, not thinking about the facts and opportunities
          3. 210ox
            210ox 21 December 2021 14: 41
            0
            Who will figure it out? They are all mostly here. And they are under an unspoken veto on the showdown (even with the help of the law).
          4. sanek45744
            sanek45744 21 December 2021 15: 55
            -2
            dear you will answer my question or will you write agitation?
      3. carstorm 11
        carstorm 11 21 December 2021 14: 50
        +3
        And when the oligarchs run out of what to do?)
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 21 December 2021 15: 41
          +1
          Quote: carstorm 11
          And when the oligarchs run out of what to do?)

          To knock on neighbors and dispossession of kulaks. Like they work a lot! look fat!
          1. sanek45744
            sanek45744 21 December 2021 15: 49
            -2
            And then another surplus will begin, exactly like 100 years ago.
      4. g1v2
        g1v2 21 December 2021 16: 14
        +6
        Is that what you praised Sechin now? I do not believe. laughing Rosneft controls the star. And the main customer of the ships is also her.
        Well, in general, this is the ONLY our fully modern shipyard, comparable to Chinese, Korean and Japanese. It will be built until 27-28 years. Now only the second stage. Plus, they are now planning to build a metallurgical plant for her in order to supply her with steel. The only large metallurgical plant will be owned by the state. Now all are private.
      5. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 December 2021 16: 53
        +1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        To clean up a couple of Russian oligarchs from the first lines of the Forbes list (you can find reasons ... and you need to !!!)

        Unfortunately, socialism has disappeared, and when it will return cannot be predicted. So in the near future we will have to "get by" with capitalism.
    2. NOMADE
      NOMADE 21 December 2021 14: 19
      +9
      Because a Chinese contractor was building under a tough contract .. There were even conflicts, but they did not advertise much in the news
    3. donavi49
      donavi49 21 December 2021 14: 59
      +12
      Because the China Communications Construction Company was working.

      Vympel, the largest transport transshipment dock in Russia, was built at BSIC - 1,5 years ahead of schedule.


      The dry dock was built by the Chinese, they also transported equipment to it from Shanghai.


      Crane facilities are also Chinese, and if a trifle, then in the usual way, then according to the Goliaths, warm relations helped and it turned out to get a special slot without queuing.




      And it is good that they actively attracted the Chinese and Koreans, this saved the shipyard 4 years if not more.
      1. expert
        expert 22 December 2021 01: 30
        0
        Who designed this grandiose object?
        1. Asad
          Asad 22 December 2021 02: 22
          +1
          South Korea.
  3. Machito
    Machito 21 December 2021 12: 27
    +8
    Big ships have big docks. good
  4. Machito
    Machito 21 December 2021 12: 28
    0
    Big ships have big docks. good
  5. Bashkirkhan
    Bashkirkhan 21 December 2021 12: 29
    +27
    To what Putin has brought the country.

    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 21 December 2021 12: 40
      -10
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      To what Putin has brought the country.
      Well, I would not be particularly happy if I were you. There are almost no locals there, this shipyard does not really provide jobs. Key and leading positions are occupied by sent "specialists" from Moscow with huge salaries. Plus, quite a lot of Chinese work at the shipyard.
      1. seti
        seti 21 December 2021 12: 46
        +14
        A link to "many Chinese" in the studio. There are Koreans, but these are highly qualified engineers, but I have not seen "many Chinese" anywhere. And the hard workers in the majority with the Far East.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 21 December 2021 13: 23
          -6
          Quote: seti
          ... but "many Chinese" I have not seen anything anywhere. And the hard workers in the majority with the Far East.

          Put (+), BUT !!! stop
          For the objectivity of the assessment, let's start the message with the phrase: "I live in (hereinafter - the place of residence)"
          1. seti
            seti 21 December 2021 14: 22
            +2
            Yes, I do not live in the Far East. But I keep track of the situation for our shipbuilding, and in the links on the Internet I have never met that there are "a lot" of Chinese at the Zvezda BK shipyard. As I wrote below, they certainly are, and as for me it's good. After all, you need to understand this is not hungry laborers with 3 classes of education, but specialists in their field. And we have a lot to learn from them.
            1. Ross xnumx
              Ross xnumx 21 December 2021 14: 52
              +3
              Quote: seti
              Yes, I do not live in the Far East.

              So, I love the true state of affairs and therefore I always welcome the habit: "It's better to see (touch, touch) once than hear a hundred times."
          2. VORON538
            VORON538 21 December 2021 14: 49
            +8
            Yes, I do not live in Komsomolsk, but in Blagoveshchensk. This is the one that borders Heihe. The number of Chinese laborers began to decrease even before the crown, rather due to the depreciation of the ruble. There are more workers from Central Asia. Kirghiz, Turkmen and others ( we have enough construction projects in the region, I don’t think it’s different in the Khabarovsk Territory). The Chinese preferred to come here to buy. Gold, alcohol, food (don’t be surprised). And soon it was 2 years since the border was closed. With China. Therefore there is no passenger turnover with them. Those who did not have time are late, but the Chinese have not been seen for a long time at construction sites.
          3. carstorm 11
            carstorm 11 21 December 2021 14: 54
            +2
            There are more Uzbeks than Chinese at times)
            1. Pandiurin
              Pandiurin 21 December 2021 16: 41
              +2
              Quote: carstorm 11
              There are more Uzbeks than Chinese at times)


              This is probably about construction. Excavation work was carried out by a Russian company (perhaps, as usual, some Uzbeks and other gastro-beaters), concrete work was carried out by a Chinese company (probably they brought their own, the Chinese).

              To work at the shipyard, specialists of a different level and profile are probably required there.
        2. NOMADE
          NOMADE 21 December 2021 14: 25
          -5
          There is nothing to do, to throw you links. Look at the contracts, who exactly is building, look at the contractors, this data is quite easily "googled"
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 21 December 2021 14: 40
            -3
            Quote: NOMADE
            There is nothing to do, to throw you links

            That is the source of the OBS.
            1. NOMADE
              NOMADE 21 December 2021 14: 44
              -3
              You have an obs, I go there almost every week ..
              1. Dart2027
                Dart2027 21 December 2021 14: 48
                -2
                Quote: NOMADE
                I go there almost every week

                "Crimean daughter of an officer"?
                1. NOMADE
                  NOMADE 21 December 2021 14: 50
                  -4
                  Of course, the Crimean daughter of an officer, and the daughter of a neighbor's cousin stepfather .. But in fact, do you have something to say? Or leavened verbiage?
                  1. Dart2027
                    Dart2027 21 December 2021 14: 53
                    -5
                    Quote: NOMADE
                    There is nothing to do, to throw you links

                    Quote: Dart2027
                    That is, the source of the OBS

                    Do you have anything to say in fact? Or leavened verbiage?
                    1. NOMADE
                      NOMADE 21 December 2021 14: 56
                      -3
                      What exactly to say, and why, like a parrot, quote my answers?
                      1. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 21 December 2021 15: 01
                        -5
                        Quote: NOMADE

                        NOMADE (Vladimir) Today, 14:56 New
                        0

                        What exactly should I say

                        Quote: seti
                        A link to "many Chinese" in the studio

                        Quote: Dart2027
                        in fact, have something to say?
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                      3. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 21 December 2021 15: 48
                        -4
                        I get it now.
                        Quote: NOMADE
                        since he can't use search

                        When someone asserts something, then he shows the sources, and does not start to get up in a pose, or do not be offended. And "I was there, they said to a dream, etc." this is not a source, but an OBS.
                      4. NOMADE
                        NOMADE 21 December 2021 16: 04
                        +2
                        I see no problem, use search engines and news sites, your claims seem naive. Moreover, with the transition "to the daughter of an officer"
                      5. Dart2027
                        Dart2027 21 December 2021 16: 18
                        -2
                        Quote: NOMADE
                        I see no problems, use search engines and news sites
                        That is, someone should look for confirmation of other people's statements? In fact, everyone himself argues his position.
                        Actually, this is a very common technique when, without having their own arguments, they are trying to get away from the topic.
                        I no longer remember how many times, in response to the question "and the source will be," they began to sing arias to me about "there is the Internet" and that "here he saw everything in person", but when it came down to it, it turned out that either there were no sources , or it is something like Putin's phrase about galoshes, that is, everything was taken out of context to change the meaning, and several times even links were given that contained exactly the opposite of what the person referring to them claimed. Exceptions can be counted on one hand.
                    2. NOMADE
                      NOMADE 21 December 2021 15: 01
                      -3
                      At least "google" "officer's daughter", look, mkto builds and why so quickly ... https://ru.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Communications_Construction
      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 21 December 2021 12: 51
        +2
        Quote: Greenwood
        Plus, quite a lot of Chinese work at the shipyard.

        Perhaps it was an additional condition for the supply of equipment ... repeat
        1. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 21 December 2021 13: 25
          +4
          Botoport, all cranes are Chinese, today on the topic Russia 24 will be on the news all day from Zvezda, I have already looked. Impressed. The second Afromax is going to be tested the other day. 15 LNG carriers are ordered by the state on Zvezda, one for Sovcomflot (100% GK ) and 14 50/50 with Novotek. Zvezda's order table is 60 ships, there are no purely military ships yet.good
          1. Asad
            Asad 21 December 2021 13: 32
            +3
            While almost built from Korea are being brought in and being completed on site, they will gradually reach a full cycle. I don't know about the power machine.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 21 December 2021 14: 00
            -2
            Quote: tralflot1832
            The second Afromax is going to be tested the other day.
            Hope you know that Aframax is essentially a screwdriver assembly. Most of the tanker was assembled in South Korea, and then brought in parts to Bolshoi Kamen.
            Quote: tralflot1832
            there are no purely warships yet
            And it won't. The shipyard is a purely commercial project, it’s time to figure it out.
            1. tralflot1832
              tralflot1832 21 December 2021 14: 33
              -3
              What are they doing at the Zvezda nuclear submarine KTOF, I ask again? It's time to return to the real world!
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 21 December 2021 17: 48
                +1
                Below you answered, you need to read more carefully. Ellings of shipyard # 892 for servicing nuclear submarines were built back in Soviet times. The aforementioned shipyard has no direct relation to him.
                Quote: tralflot1832
                It's time to get back to the real world!
                That's right, it's time to get out of the hurray-patriotic intoxication, stop watching rotten propaganda on federal channels like Russia 24 and take a sober look at the surrounding Russian reality.
            2. carstorm 11
              carstorm 11 21 December 2021 14: 56
              -1
              You missed a meeting a couple of years ago. It's too lazy to look for, but after the final completion, the shipyard will receive orders from the Ministry of Defense. What and how are not specified.
              1. Greenwood
                Greenwood 21 December 2021 17: 49
                +2
                What orders can she receive from the Ministry of Defense, when there are orders for tankers for several years ahead?!?!
                Or share a link to this specific statement in the MO.
                1. carstorm 11
                  carstorm 11 21 December 2021 23: 55
                  0
                  Well, they have already received 23380 from the Ministry of Defense. What is it that prevents another potgm from getting?) As I said without specifics when and what. Perspective.
          3. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 21 December 2021 15: 33
            0
            Quote: tralflot1832
            Zvezda's order table is 60 ships, there are no purely military ships yet.

            A purely commercial project.
        2. seti
          seti 21 December 2021 13: 27
          +4
          It is clear that there are Chinese at the shipyard. But you need to understand that there is a lot of equipment just from their country. So everything is logical. But the fact that they are there right around is too much.
          We will master the technique, gain experience and replace them with our own specialists.
          1. Asad
            Asad 21 December 2021 13: 35
            +2
            Not so long ago, there was a scandal in Omsk, 800 Chinese welders were brought to the refinery for modernization. They lived in a town, no one saw them much.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 21 December 2021 14: 01
            -5
            Quote: seti
            We will master the technique, gain experience and replace them with our own specialists.
            Not replaceable. We would like to have replaced it long ago. The locals have already given up.
      3. Asad
        Asad 21 December 2021 12: 58
        +6
        Nobody paid attention to what the Koreans are building, but as everyone knows, without the permission of the United States, they are not able to sneeze. The simple conclusion is that only gas carriers will be built there. So that, partners, with Rosneft and Novatek, sell liquefied gas to the Asians from Sakhalin. Indeed, the main work is carried out by the Chinese, and therefore a five-year plan per year. And it seems that 14 meters is not enough for a larger warship? All this information was on Vesti FM.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 21 December 2021 13: 18
          -4
          Quote: ASAD
          only gas carriers will be built there

          And this does not cause much joy ... Gas and oil for sale ... There are no destroyers or frigates in the project! What to be happy about?
          1. Rubi0
            Rubi0 21 December 2021 15: 06
            +2
            So if you even do not want to build merchant ships, then why do you need a fleet if you do not need to guard merchant ships and routes for piracy?
            1. Uncle lee
              Uncle lee 21 December 2021 15: 11
              -3
              Quote: Rubi0
              build merchant ships

              I am in favor of building both commercial and fishing and floating bases and floating factories, and not just some gas carriers - it is stupid to take everything out for sale!
        2. tralflot1832
          tralflot1832 21 December 2021 13: 19
          +1
          Will the Chinese build the nuclear-powered icebreaker Leader too?
          1. Asad
            Asad 21 December 2021 13: 58
            +2
            Wikipedia writes that the Leader is already being built in the Big Stone, and yet Rosatom and Novatek are different offices.
          2. Greenwood
            Greenwood 21 December 2021 14: 02
            -6
            I propose to first wait for its launch, and then reason. And to be proud of ephemeral projects is stupid and shortsighted.
      4. Grits
        Grits 21 December 2021 14: 09
        +6
        Quote: Greenwood
        There are almost no locals there, this shipyard does not really provide jobs. Key and leading positions are occupied by sent "specialists" from Moscow with huge salaries.

        You, as a local, know this, but other VO readers are unlikely. My relatives work at the plant. They said that recently it was forbidden to take workers from the old Zvezda plant to the new Zvezda plant. So that they do not finally run over there and disrupt the delivery of orders. And there are many specialists not only from the west of the country, but also from abroad. not only the Chinese. there are Koreans and even quite a few Europeans. My aunt works as a concierge in a new apartment building where these foreigners live. by the way, they live in service apartments.
        Although, in general, the Big Stone, of course, has changed. The number of construction projects is simply amazing. It seems that even in Soviet times this was not often seen.
    2. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 21 December 2021 12: 48
      -5
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      To what Putin has brought the country.

      Rather, it was the country that bored his order-bearers friends.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 December 2021 13: 18
        +7
        By the way, yesterday another order bearer was added, now Hero of Russia, general director of the KTRV corporation B.V. Obnosov, for his work on the creation of the Zircon hyperrocket.
    3. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 21 December 2021 12: 49
      -3
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      To what Putin has brought the country.

      I agree. They say that the SKR was overtaken in shipbuilding, so we will overtake the PRC ... recourse
      1. Vasia
        Vasia 21 December 2021 22: 38
        -1
        Quote: Mavrikiy
        I agree. They say that the SKR was overtaken in shipbuilding, so we will overtake the PRC ...

        Only on the contrary, it seems - the PRC has been overtaken, it is still far from the South Caucasus.
    4. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 December 2021 13: 03
      +1
      Quote: Bashkirkhan
      To what Putin has brought the country.

      Liberals, already from your words, all the monitors spat.
    5. donavi49
      donavi49 21 December 2021 15: 07
      +2
      Here is the first photo - this is the first ship under construction at Zvezda with delivery in 23. He's serial 4.

      The second photo is of a Korean ship - which is tax-localized through work on the Star. Official participation is less than 20%.



      Also, two more steamers of other projects are now being pulled to the Zvezda.



      I repeat - the shipyard is still under construction. Even for the 4th serial (which is the first built on Zvezda), not all plots have been commissioned yet, and there will be a delay for a year or so.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 21 December 2021 15: 36
        -1
        Quote: donavi49
        Here is the first photo - this is the first ship under construction at Zvezda with delivery in 23. He's serial 4.

        So are warships, or commercial ships.
  6. Tiksi-3
    Tiksi-3 21 December 2021 12: 31
    +4
    this shipyard can become the starting point for the restoration of both the Russian Navy and civilian ships, good luck to the shipbuilders!
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 21 December 2021 12: 38
      0
      There are private orders for the needs of the oil and gas sector. Has nothing to do with the Navy.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 21 December 2021 13: 11
        -3
        Whom we are treating, on the Star in Bolshoy Kamen there are 2 covered airliners for the nuclear submarine KTOF. They are now occupied by the modernized boats. The third one has recently been removed from the eling.
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 21 December 2021 13: 51
          +7
          You are writing about the shipyard 892, which is part of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex. The aforementioned slipways and other infrastructure for the repair of nuclear submarines was built in the Soviet years, and not now. Now the plant is mostly engaged in ship recycling.
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 21 December 2021 13: 52
        0
        Do they have a country?
        1. Greenwood
          Greenwood 21 December 2021 14: 04
          0
          Related to Rosneft's business.
          1. vitvit123
            vitvit123 21 December 2021 14: 11
            -1
            Does Rosneft's business have anything to do with the country?
          2. vitvit123
            vitvit123 21 December 2021 14: 18
            +1
            Does Rosneft have anything to do with the country?
            1. Greenwood
              Greenwood 21 December 2021 17: 53
              +1
              Quote: vitvit123
              Does Rosneft have anything to do with the country?
              Look at the composition of the company's board of directors. Can this be called a company working to please Russia?!?!
              1. vitvit123
                vitvit123 21 December 2021 19: 51
                -1
                Look how much money Rosneft transfers to the Russian budget?!?! Can it be called not a Russian company?!?! If you look at history, then a lot of foreigners have served Russia faithfully! So your comments are just a cliché of disaffected ...
    2. Soldatov V.
      Soldatov V. 21 December 2021 13: 04
      0
      What's the problem? Who is the owner and shareholders of the CVD? If the shareholders in some shares are foreigners and ours too, then you can forget about building ships for our Navy at this plant. Immediately sanctions, even civilian ships will not be allowed to do, and if we do, they will not be allowed into NATO ports. An example with ships builders and supplies from the Nord Stream.
      They will allow to make transports to supply the same West, America, and that may be.
      And technically, the dry dock allows you to make ships for the Russian Navy of any size and tonnage, including aircraft carriers.
      Why are they not raising a sunken floating dock in the North? Because the foreign shareholders of Rosneft, the dock owners, do not allow it. soldier
      1. Pankrat25
        Pankrat25 21 December 2021 13: 18
        +5
        The construction of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex is carried out by a consortium of Rosneft, Rosneftegaz and Gazprombank. The project of the complex involves the construction of a heavy outfitting slipway, a dry dock, full-cycle production workshops, as well as workshops for the construction of marine equipment.
        1. Soldatov V.
          Soldatov V. 21 December 2021 13: 38
          -7
          The situation in the world now is like in 39-41. Will the GCC build warships to defend the Motherland or not? soldier
          1. Greenwood
            Greenwood 21 December 2021 14: 05
            -5
            Quote: V.
            39-41 year
            In 39-41, the war was in full swing in Europe and Southeast Asia. Where is the war going now? In Soloviev's program?
            1. Nemchinov Vl
              Nemchinov Vl 21 December 2021 18: 58
              +3
              Quote: Greenwood
              In 39-41, the war was in full swing in Europe and Southeast Asia. Where is the war going now? In Soloviev's program?

              In Syria ...
              In Ukraine...
              Yemen ...
              in the Middle East and Africa sporadically ...
              Yes, there are many where interests intersect (including and trade in arms, raw materials, oil, LNG ...).
            2. avg avg
              avg avg 22 December 2021 07: 42
              0
              Freedom-loving Ukraine has been protecting Europe from Russian aggression for 8 years!
              And now they are preparing for the next attack.
    3. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 December 2021 13: 08
      +5
      Quote: Tiksi-3

      this shipyard can become the starting point for the restoration of both the Russian Navy and civilian ships, good luck to the shipbuilders!

      So this is a CVD and is "imprisoned" for the commercial fleet. And who invested in the plant.
    4. lis-ik
      lis-ik 21 December 2021 13: 34
      -2
      Quote: Tiksi-3
      this shipyard can become the starting point for the restoration of both the Russian Navy and civilian ships, good luck to the shipbuilders!

      There are no orders for warships, everything is there for the trade in raw materials. So. that I don't see much joy.
  7. GAndr
    GAndr 21 December 2021 12: 32
    +3
    Oh, how little this is yet - "Ahead of the schedule" ... Handsome men !!!
  8. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 21 December 2021 12: 32
    +4
    What a powerful structure! Well, they are investing. And they are finishing construction ahead of schedule ...
  9. shoroh
    shoroh 21 December 2021 12: 33
    -8
    and here is the construction site for "Kuznetsov" and for other similar projects.
    1. Grits
      Grits 21 December 2021 14: 13
      +4
      Quote: shoroh
      and here is the construction site for "Kuznetsov" and for other similar projects.

      Don't be happy - this is a construction site for the construction of gas carriers, tankers and icebreakers. can only please the acquisition of competencies with a target for the future ...
      1. Asad
        Asad 21 December 2021 14: 31
        +3
        Interestingly, the Koreans will be divided by the power plant, or will only the ready-made ones supply?
        1. Grits
          Grits 21 December 2021 14: 34
          0
          Quote: ASAD
          Interestingly, the Koreans will be divided by the power plant, or will only the ready-made ones supply?

          I'm interested too. Although we have already understood that Zvezda is an assembly shop for Asian ships.
    2. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 21 December 2021 15: 38
      0
      Quote: shoroh
      and here is the construction site for "Kuznetsov" and for other similar projects.

      It is not possible to build aircraft carriers there for many reasons. one of them is logistics.
  10. ohtsistem
    ohtsistem 21 December 2021 12: 38
    -1
    ... the dock was commissioned three years ahead of schedule.


    Well done builders !!! Probably not stealing :)
    1. sanek45744
      sanek45744 21 December 2021 13: 02
      -2
      And here it is. Here they welded only on the salary well already. Plus what is meant by as much as 4 years earlier than the schedule. This is a violation of building codes or something else.
      1. Ingvar 72
        Ingvar 72 21 December 2021 13: 39
        -4
        Quote: sanek45744
        Here they welded only on the salary well already.

        HSE experts have calculated the average size of kickbacks for government orders - 22%.
        wink So yes, the broth is only on salaries. laughing
        1. sanek45744
          sanek45744 21 December 2021 13: 48
          -4
          This is a little different. Let's say we will do it in 5 years according to the plan. they sign a contract, but they do it in 2 years. And they put the salary budget for the remaining 3 years in their pockets.
          1. Ingvar 72
            Ingvar 72 21 December 2021 13: 55
            -4
            Quote: sanek45744
            And they put the salary budget for the remaining 3 years in their pockets.

            It is unlikely. For the deadlines are taken into account taking into account the standard hours. And if the estimate was not initially overestimated, then most likely there was overwork, payment of overnight payments, or the involvement of additional specialists.
            1. sanek45744
              sanek45744 21 December 2021 14: 00
              0
              I told you how to do it, and it's up to you to believe in it. Now, in fact, there are a lot of tricks in the construction site as people are thrown, and this is unfortunately everywhere.
  11. Pavel episkop
    Pavel episkop 21 December 2021 12: 44
    +3
    If only Lazarev would be put there and modernized ... Eh .. They cut it in full
    1. DenZ
      DenZ 21 December 2021 12: 52
      +1
      The point is not where to put "Lazarev" but that there is neither money nor desire for modernization (and the state of "Lazarev" itself seems to be not very good, they say)
  12. APASUS
    APASUS 21 December 2021 12: 48
    +4
    one Goliath crane with a lifting capacity of 1200 tons,

    Who would have thought that China would become the main manufacturer of such a specific technology in the world? The company has orders for Goliaths, almost 10 years ahead.
  13. Greenwood
    Greenwood 21 December 2021 12: 48
    +8
    Why everyone was so overexcited, I don’t understand. I already wrote above, but I can repeat myself. The shipyard produces tankers and gas carriers for the needs of Rosneft and other similar customers. There will be no military development there in the coming years, because the schedule has already been scheduled. This has been said and written more than once over the past few years. You will not see any aircraft carriers here. fool
    Further, it is no secret (at least for Primorye residents) that it is very problematic for locals to get a job there. Muscovites were placed in leading positions under patronage with salaries of 300k. Plus, before the pandemic, a significant portion of the staff were Chinese. Well, the local hard workers from the Bolshoi Kamen both sucked their paws, and so on.
    1. Serg koma
      Serg koma 21 December 2021 14: 07
      +2
      Quote: Greenwood
      The shipyard produces tankers and gas carriers for the needs of Rosneft and other similar customers.
      drinks
      from office. site
      The Zvezda shipbuilding complex is a strategically important project for the Far East region and the domestic shipbuilding industry, which is being implemented on behalf of the President and the Government of the Russian Federation by the Consortium of JSC Rosneftegaz, PJSC NK Rosneft and JSC Gazprombank.

      PROJECTS

      MULTI-FUNCTIONAL SUPPLY VESSEL FOR ENHANCED ICE CLASS PROJECT IBSV 10022 AH
      The vessel is designed for an unrestricted navigation area and is designed to perform the following operations:
      transportation of goods to / from offshore drilling rigs and production platforms;
      driving anchors;
      icebreaking operations;
      ice control;
      salvation;
      accompaniment;
      oil spill response;
      fighting external fires;
      towing jack-up platforms and other large objects;
      transportation of ISO containers on the main deck.

      OIL VESSEL TYPE "AFRAMAX" OF PROJECT 114, BY DEEDWEIGHT 114 THOUSAND TONS

      NUCLEAR ICEBREAKER OF THE "LEADER" PROJECT
      The vessel is designed to provide year-round navigation of the commercial fleet along the Northern Sea Route. The Leader project will become the backbone of the new generation of Russian icebreaker fleet.

      ARCTIC TANKER-SHUTTLE ICE CLASS ARC6 BY DEVE 69 THOUSAND. TONS

      FOOD CARRIER TANK TYPE MR

      ICEBREAKING TANKER-LNG LNG CARRIER CLASS ARC 7

      MULTIFUNCTIONAL RESEARCH VESSEL

      And not a single aircraft carrier, corvette, patrol boat ... crying
      One hope is training specialists, mastering technologies and subsequently implementing them at defense enterprises.
      1. Asad
        Asad 21 December 2021 14: 34
        +2
        So this is news about the whole complex, I think only a commercial fleet will be built at this shipyard.
        1. Serg koma
          Serg koma 21 December 2021 17: 00
          -1
          Quote: ASAD
          this shipyard will only build a commercial fleet.

          Yes, we are talking about the entire Zvezda shipbuilding complex, which will be built only by the Comflot - "Whoever dines on a girl, dances her!"
  14. 2 Level Advisor
    2 Level Advisor 21 December 2021 12: 50
    +2
    and who is in the subject .. the fact that it is not covered - will somehow affect the construction in the cold period or not?
    1. Pandiurin
      Pandiurin 21 December 2021 13: 14
      +4
      Quote: 2 level advisor
      and who is in the subject .. the fact that it is not covered - will somehow affect the construction in the cold period or not?


      Apartment buildings are erected in the winter.
      Also welding, work that requires a positive temperature (pouring concrete), etc.
      And in shipbuilding as well ...
      1. Soldatov V.
        Soldatov V. 21 December 2021 14: 06
        +1
        In general, there are technical conditions for the assembly of ships. This is approximately plus 18-20 degrees. Ships of a certain size in Russia are built in covered boathouses due to low temperatures in winter.
        1. Pandiurin
          Pandiurin 21 December 2021 14: 44
          +1
          Quote: V.
          In general, there are technical conditions for the assembly of ships. This is approximately plus 18-20 degrees. Ships of a certain size in Russia are built in covered boathouses due to low temperatures in winter.


          And if some kind of modular sectional assembly method.
          Sections without internal filling, when ready They are docked, interconnected at the required temperature (spring - summer - autumn), internal work is carried out in the connected sections.

          Why I gave as an example the construction of an apartment building in winter, it is also "impossible" to build it in winter, but if you think about it and organize the work, then it turns out that you can.
          1. Soldatov V.
            Soldatov V. 21 December 2021 15: 02
            +2
            There is. At the plant where I worked, they separately built the bow, stern (engine room with superstructure), and the cylindrical part (the hold, the longest part), then they were all connected. In England, something like this is now building warships, and parts are being built in different parts of the country. Mistrals were also built. The stern was built in St. Petersburg, and then towed to France.
            If corvettes of the "Agile" type were built in this way, the Navy would receive at least 3-4 of them per year.
            1. Pandiurin
              Pandiurin 21 December 2021 16: 20
              +1
              Quote: V.
              There is. At the plant where I worked, they separately built the bow, stern (engine room with superstructure), and the cylindrical part (the hold, the longest part), then they were all connected. In England, something like this is now building warships, and parts are being built in different parts of the country. Mistrals were also built. The stern was built in St. Petersburg, and then towed to France.
              If corvettes of the "Agile" type were built in this way, the Navy would receive at least 3-4 of them per year.


              So in order to build with this method, it is necessary that the project of the ship / vessel was made specifically for this method of construction and a shipyard is needed where this can be implemented.

              Now there is such a shipyard.
              The dry dock is only a small part, there are closed workshops nearby where assembly, welding, painting of ship modules can be done.

              Then they are thrown into the dry dock and from them they will be assembled in full size.

              After assembly, they will be taken out of the dry dock to the outfitting wall and completed.

              It is planned to build Afromax class ships, gas carriers, etc.
              Those. designed for a modular assembly principle.
    2. Serg koma
      Serg koma 21 December 2021 13: 38
      +3
      Quote: Level 2 Advisor
      on construction in the cold season

      ".... yes, that winter was nothing at all - only 8 months" (from an anecdote)


      December 2018 (where is the snow? wink )
      Pay attention - the photo shows the project 23380 Zvezda dock complex under construction and the Vympel transfer dock. Three docks in one shot!
      1. Grits
        Grits 21 December 2021 14: 17
        +3
        Quote: Serg Koma
        december 2018 (where is the snow? wink)

        In 2018, there was practically no snow at all in Primorye in winter. We started fires in February (burns of dry grass), which usually start in April after the snow melts.
  15. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 21 December 2021 13: 07
    +5
    Quote: Paul episkop
    If only Lazarev would be put there and modernized ... Eh .. They cut it in full

    They cut, I think, because the piece of iron is outdated to such an extent that it will be more expensive and worse to remake. Where can you find the mechanisms that were made 60 years ago? To restore the production of TOGO OLD. when today there is more perfect, and ready (to a much greater extent), new? Information for thought. (So ​​that you have some idea of ​​these works). In 1943, in the month of September, the US built a Liberty-class ship in 9 days. Aircraft carriers - monthly average. What am I doing this? To that. that with an AMAZING organization of labor, assembling the hull and the main mechanisms of the ship can be done not so costly. Imagine if they made repairs during that time of war, how much slower and less productive it would be. Well, in a month, the aircraft carrier would not be repaired or modernized - for sure.
    1. Pavel episkop
      Pavel episkop 21 December 2021 14: 49
      0
      For 2015, Lazarev's condition was assessed by the Ministry of Defense and all repairs were carried out for docking, painting, etc. (all information is in the public domain). What are the costs of restoring production when there is 1 active and 1 undergoing modernization? There is an assessment of specialists for 2015 that disposal does not make sense, because the case is in good condition
  16. sleeve
    sleeve 21 December 2021 13: 37
    +2
    What is this, is it possible to have four corvettes at once? Or, God forbid, two 22350m?
  17. 75 Sergey
    75 Sergey 21 December 2021 13: 44
    +2
    Well, thank God, we did it.
    Kuznetsov has already wondered when we will update it?
  18. aries2200
    aries2200 21 December 2021 13: 55
    -5
    is it instead of the drowned one or the one larger (that they drowned) who knows?
    1. Grits
      Grits 21 December 2021 14: 20
      +3
      Quote: aries2200
      is it instead of the drowned one or the one larger (that they drowned) who knows?

      In one sentence you managed to confuse a dry dock with a floating dock, the Far East with the Russian North
  19. rocket757
    rocket757 21 December 2021 14: 08
    +2
    Although the shipyard has not yet been completed, the construction of ships is already underway.
    ... A serious enterprise, we need such ...
  20. FoBoss_V
    FoBoss_V 21 December 2021 14: 33
    +5
    The news itself is certainly good, but there is little that shines for the military, because this is the property of Rosneft. Even if there were luminaries, these docks are used to weld the noses of Afromax bought in South Korea. And then this operation, which is the simplest by shipbuilding standards, is constantly being performed with problems. Under the so-expected icebreaker Leader, they cannot even weld a mortgage, there are no welders of such qualifications. It was expected that Putin would attend this event in September at the WEF, but the tsar left with nothing. So it's too early to rejoice. The shipbuilding and ship repair industry in Primorye was destroyed very quickly, but it will take decades to restore. It is very bad that there are no universities that train such specialists, faculties and departments were simply closed for the sake of the development of various kinds of managers, lawyers, managers and other useless shushara. There are no technologists, material scientists, welder engineers, middle-level schools are completely under the knife. Everyone wants to sit in suits at their laptops in their offices and it is important to carry pieces of paper back and forth. So it turned out that it seems like a dry dock is good, from the air. It looks ... It can be seen even from Shamora on the other side of the bay from Vlaliaostok. And in fact, I don't see any reason to rejoice yet. But I would very much like
  21. Dart2027
    Dart2027 21 December 2021 14: 45
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    I read the comments and am moved - there are so many dissatisfied.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 21 December 2021 17: 58
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      You esteem putriots, so it feels like an evening muddle ... uh ... Reconsidered Solovyova or Skabeeva and Popov. Continuous propaganda and odes to power. From a purely commercial construction site for business development, controlled by the president's friends, you are making an event of a universal scale and are sincerely proud of it, although there is nothing special to be proud of. We bought foreign equipment, sent foreign specialists and somehow mastered the screwdriver assembly. WOW!!! Soviet shipbuilding was not even close. fool
      1. Dart2027
        Dart2027 21 December 2021 19: 03
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        Quote: Greenwood
        We bought foreign equipment, sent foreign specialists and somehow mastered the screwdriver assembly

        Are you talking about the USSR? How many factories did the Americans build there?
        Quote: Greenwood
        From a purely commercial construction site to development
        the country in general and a specific territory in particular, the creation of jobs, the development of the civilian fleet, which will also benefit the country.
        Quote: Greenwood
        WOW!!! Soviet shipbuilding was not even close

        When did you buy floating docks in Japan and Sweden?
  22. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 21 December 2021 14: 58
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    Quote: Paul episkop
    For 2015, Lazarev's condition was assessed by the Ministry of Defense and all repairs were carried out for docking, painting, etc. (all information is in the public domain). What are the costs of restoring production when there is 1 active and 1 undergoing modernization? There is an assessment of specialists for 2015 that disposal does not make sense, because the case is in good condition

    They know better there. It is foolish, sitting at home and not knowing the real situation, to reason. Are the main mechanisms normal? This is probably 80% of the cost of the ship. Housing, electrical, the rest. By my profession, I know that renewing the production of an old one is much more expensive than making a new one. Needed, after all. TE materials, equipment, technologies, tools, equipment, stands and other rubbish. Replacement for new materials when manufacturing according to old drawings is not possible. Different properties, and where to get that equipment? There, after all, the dimensions are not bolts. Hulks the size of skyscrapers.
  23. Skipper
    Skipper 21 December 2021 15: 03
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    woo-o-oot ... the first Leader called Russia is already provided with an operating room ..
  24. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 21 December 2021 15: 07
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    Quote: FoBoss_V
    Everyone wants to sit in suits at their laptops in their offices and it is important to carry pieces of paper back and forth.

    Everything appears not earlier than the need for it appears. Lawyers were required (there were fewer of them in the entire USSR than in Washington alone) - they spawned. Fast, and, therefore, of course, bad. Did you need to guard your PRIVATE property? The guards appeared. A sort of silver carp. Managers? You are welcome. Nowhere to go. But, any large mass has inertia. Workers with an engineering education were needed, machine tools became more complex than laptops. Appear. Give only time, give only time - you will have a squirrel and a whistle. And to revive the old, on our Soviet technologies, is to die again.
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 21 December 2021 18: 01
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      An engineer with a higher education and good qualifications does not have much reason to work for a penny at our enterprises. He will learn English (which most likely knows more or less anyway, because there is a lot of documentation only in English) and will go overboard.
  25. fa2998
    fa2998 21 December 2021 16: 50
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    Here it pleases! More docks, more ships and vessels. Now trade is more maritime, and the Navy will receive its own, there are orders. hi
  26. senima56
    senima56 21 December 2021 17: 34
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    ".... the dock was commissioned three years ahead of schedule ...." drinks I can’t even believe it against the background of the fact that we, in general, are shifting "to the right"! And here it is as much as 3 years ahead of schedule !!! good good
  27. Volzhanin64
    Volzhanin64 21 December 2021 18: 22
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    Great news. It is especially pleasing that it is three years ahead of schedule. Still, if the merchants for the money invested know how to organize work and control deadlines, then "effective managers" from state corporations, as a rule, do not fit into the budgets.
  28. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 21 December 2021 18: 24
    +1
    Quote: Greenwood
    An engineer with a higher education and good qualifications does not have much reason to work for a penny at our enterprises. He will learn English (which most likely knows more or less anyway, because there is a lot of documentation only in English) and will go overboard.

    YOU are deeply mistaken that engineers with our training are needed there. Judging by myself. Constructor. Work experience - 23 years (then an instrumentation and control engineer, but this is the fault of the war in Tajikistan.). I am well versed in the materials produced in the USSR. Tolerances, landings, standards, regulations, electrical products. Rules for the execution of documents. Lead designer - there is such a position, it is higher than category 1 designer. Head of the department. Who needs me there, not familiar with anything? Who will give me time to get used to, there are people like me, their dime a dozen. The son of a friend, a doctor in the USSR, went to Israel. SANITAR, five years, then study at a local university, confirmation of a doctor's diploma. It took about 8 years to BE ENDURED. And this is an ethnic homeland that accepts its own people with benefits. If this is heaven, then what is hell?
    Look at Alex Brezhnev on YouTube. Truck driver. Higher education. 20 years in Canada. Lives in a trailer, so it's more economical. Excellent, truthful reporting, filming on the road. Just interesting from a cognitive point of view. I did not mean the WEAK training of our specialists. Working as an instrumentation and control engineer at a poultry farm (until retirement), he steered the equipment of a dozen companies. Dutch, German, American, Italian. Italians who supervise the installation of their equipment SOLD his experience in setting up THEIR equipment. It took me a month to figure out how to prevent the automation system from working in resonance mode. So who is stronger - we, with the equipment of several foreign companies, or purely knowing only our own. And then .....
    1. Arpad
      Arpad 21 December 2021 18: 31
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      Quote: Siberian-1
      ... The son of a friend, a doctor in the USSR, went to Israel. SANITAR, five years, then study at a local university, confirmation of a doctor's diploma. Something about 8 years it took TO ENDURE

      This is with doctors, doctors are a special category, although doctors with 15 years of experience (in my opinion) received a license without passing exams.
      It's easier with engineers (at least in Israel, if you really are not an electrical engineer - here are the same exams for a license). the rest are easier. in the course of a month you receive an Israeli diploma (with confirmation of the degree), enroll in the register of engineers and go ahead, work.
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  30. TermNachTer
    TermNachTer 21 December 2021 20: 40
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    Great news. The problem of building (repairing) large ships (ships) has been greatly simplified.
  31. Ugochaves
    Ugochaves 22 December 2021 10: 59
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    At Discovery today they showed about the Star - "Time machines. Mega-shipyard" look at what "welders" work at the shipyard.
  32. Antokha
    Antokha 22 December 2021 12: 24
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    We all, when we scold the authorities and industry, we must admit that there are outstanding times ahead of the schedule, like this.
    1. sergey_please
      sergey_please 22 December 2021 15: 12
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      Read who built it and why. This is a commercial project
      1. Antokha
        Antokha 22 December 2021 16: 12
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        All the same, everything is bad and everything is lost
  33. xomaNN
    xomaNN 22 December 2021 13: 39
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    They can when they want to do it! And not very much "saw", but a bit.
    When is the same good news for the Northern Fleet in the Arctic Circle ???
    1. sergey_please
      sergey_please 22 December 2021 15: 13
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      So the construction is commercial ... For gas carriers.
      1. xomaNN
        xomaNN 22 December 2021 20: 37
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        By the time "H" the dock is normally requisitioned for the military-industrial complex wassat
        1. xomaNN
          xomaNN 23 December 2021 17: 01
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          Today at a press conference. VVP just said that in this dock on "Zvezda" it is possible to build, firstly, warships, and secondly, civil
  34. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 22 December 2021 21: 07
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    Hooray comrades !!!