Experts in the United States questioned whether the M1A2 SEP v3 Abrams tank would be effective in the East Asian and European possible theaters of war

The United States commented on the introduction of a new modification tanks M1A2 SEP v3 Abrams. According to the representatives of the American command, this tank "which meets the principles of modern warfare, marks a special stage in the modernization of the armored vehicles of the US Army."

According to Brigadier General Glenn Dean, who is in charge of the US Army's ground combat vehicle program, M1A2 SEP v3 Abrams tanks with enhanced armor are already being used by the US military and "are an effective tool in an era of possible multi-domain war."

A feature of the next modernized version of the American tank is the use of new electronic data processing units with its output on the monitors of the commander and gunner, which are distinguished by increased resolution. The tank received an updated control system, which also acts as a control system for the use of weapons. It is noted that the tank is capable of using electronic warfare equipment, as well as high-resolution thermal imaging sights.

M1A2 SEP v3 Abrams also received an updated navigation system, which, as noted, will allow "finding alternative routes of movement, for example, if the enemy destroys bridges and other transport arteries."

In connection with the emergence of the next version of the modernization of the Abrams tank in service with the US Army, American military experts asked the question whether the US is ready to create a fundamentally new tank or will in the future be guided solely by the modernization of the existing one? While some believe that the Abrams' modernization potential has not yet been exhausted, others are sure that the United States is "on the wrong path." It is noted that the Abrams tanks, which were a weighty argument in the wars in the Middle East, are hardly suitable for the East Asian and European theaters of operations. Such doubts about efficiency are associated with the mass of the tank, which exceeded 63 tons.

Once again, the problem is mentioned with the transfer of heavy American armored vehicles to the "eastern flank of NATO" - to Poland. There, “alternative ways” of movement had to be looked for even without the “destruction of the enemy” of bridges, since often bridge crossings in Poland, for example, turned out to be unsuitable for the movement of such massive equipment along them. But the USA is not yet relying on lighter tanks.

Comments

[Finches]

Good tank (especially for the War with Papuas in the Desert), I do not argue, but 62 tons of mass for the Eastern European TVD ... and the problem with nigrames-charging, because "Black Lives Matter!"

[Aerodrome]

Quote: Finches

.Yes and the problem with niggas charging because "Black Lives Matter!"

By the way, yes ... and what the blacks do not raise the Bund? they are also "non-workers", and want to be commanders!))))

[Finches]

Well no! News slipped by that the nigra loaders had already sent crew commanders here and there!

[Vladimir 290]

and on the knees of these commanders it's time to start putting

[Secutor]

So now the war will not be fought with tanks. The entire decisive battle will be in the air and for the air, and the tanks of the loser will fight with drones.

Just tank battles today are wars between the Papuans.

[mojohed2012]

The Russians have already: and shock UAVs have appeared, and loitering ammunition, and high-precision ammunition for artillery, and effective anti-tank systems, and so on ... And here they want to break through the battle formations with one tank. It is clear that Abrams (in the minds of their strategists) must drive through the charred ruins among the corpses of enemies, after artillery barrage and attacks from drones and aircraft.
But, if it comes to a major conflict, then our UAVs and other planes will land quickly and the black man in the Abrams tower will have to listen and worry about his ass, tk. these Russians are incomprehensible and it is not clear what to expect from them. Certainly not the same as from those Arabs with whom the Negro had a chance to "fight" earlier.

[Vladimir 290]

"There will be a Negar in the Abrams Tower to listen and worry about the ass"
For this, he may not be particularly afraid, only if on the part of his European allies

[Secutor]

At the moment, "our UAV" drums are not even in serial production. And if we compare in bare numbers the number of our and NATO aviation, then everything is clearly not in our favor. Well, how many Su-57 have they produced?
As a result, our tankers will be "blacks" in the tower when the air defense is suppressed and the Abrams will not even reach it.

these Russians - they are incomprehensible and it is not clear what to expect from them

It would be better to understand what to expect from the "Russians" in terms of production, otherwise the "incomprehensible and unclear" will release 10 aircraft and UAVs in 2022 or 2030.

[ugol2]

Quote: Secutor

the number of our and NATO aviation

Whose is "our"?

[lucul]

So now the war will not be fought with tanks. The entire decisive battle will be in the air and for the air, and the tanks of the loser will fight with drones.

I doubt ))))
The basis is short- and medium-range missiles. It is they who plow the entire land and the enemy. And the UAV is more for the wars with the Papuans.

[Secutor]

I agree. This is probably the only defense at the moment.

Just much more fabulous fantasies, the idea that the conditional Abrams will shoot head-on with a T-72. As some people like to discuss here.

[volodya nigmetov_2]

In general, the power of the United States can be undermined by military methods, but it is difficult to costly and losses cannot be avoided.There is another way right now as relevant as never before.Start moving the ruble into the world economy.Start with a simple sale of oil, gas and other things as before for dollars and at the same time make a Russian stock exchange where everything is the same you can buy for rubles but cheaper than 10 20 per dollar. This will be a blow stronger than nuclear missiles, believe me Yes, we will incur some losses, but this is a trifle compared to an outright war, and most importantly, a blow to the very heart of the Yankees, their printing press is a kaye needle And it's time to break it

[Barberry25]

and we will lose 10-20% on a banal speculative market .. Now they make it easier - contracts are concluded with different countries for settlements in the national. currencies like with Indians

[volodya nigmetov_2]

Well, if you have a goal, then you need to keep in mind that you have to pay for it, especially since we are already selling the same gas for dumping both Serbia and Moldova, etc. That is, we are already losing some interest by paying for what? It seems to me that we need to do what we are already doing openly, and of course, the United States will not be delighted with everyone, as they did the dollar oil filling with the Saudis. Well, now we don't really care what they say there

[Barberry25]

a simple question - what will prevent the same Americans from stupidly selling us dollars, buying rubles, paying for gas with them, and that's it? Why don't other countries do this? and are they "stupid" making contracts in national currencies, making foreign exchange reserves out of currencies and expanding the export of their goods? Are they all stupid?

[Alexey Koshkarov]

The case speaks about the ruble

[boris epstein]

Pantsyri-S successfully deal with drones.
"Russian" Pantsir-S "short-range air defense systems shot down more than 40 Turkish Bayraktar and Anka drones during the hostilities in Syria and Libya, Russia-1 TV reported. in Syria, and in Libya, according to them, more than 40 Bayraktar and heavy Turkish Anka drones were shot down by Russian Shells, the report says.
Even if there is some exaggeration, still something is not heard about the success of Turkish drones.

[Aerodrome]

in Europe, sometimes there are serious problems with tanks, sometimes the roads are narrow, sometimes the bridges are flimsy ... let alone my own dirt, I am silent.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Aerodrome

sometimes the roads are narrow, then the bridges are flimsy ...

will allow "to find alternative routes of movement, for example, if the enemy destroys bridges and other transport arteries."
Is it interesting how it will look in real life? Fly from coast to coast or what? So they haven’t put the hovercraft into the abrasha, and so 63 tons of power

[Region-25.rus]

will allow "to find alternative routes of movement, for example, if the enemy destroys bridges and other transport arteries."

by chance the system is not called "Ivan Susanin"?

[Sanichsan]

Quote: NDR-791

This is interesting how it will look in real life?

I think it's clear how, like 20 years of bullshit here all the adherents of the United States are whistling about network centrism in the US Army, but in fact, that's it. in the latest modernization of Abrams, a map with topographic data and a GPS navigator appeared traffic jams does it show or have not been taught yet?

[Metlik]

Quote: NDR-791

This is interesting how it will look in real life?

turn left, turn right, you have arrived.

[Alexander Seklitsky]

So also the GTD eats, as if not into itself. It's good to fight on a small flat territory, when the logistics are established. And if you take our TVD so in general, everything will be sad.

[Free wind]

The permeability often depends on the commander, it is unlikely that anyone will push through the bridge on a tank if there is a 5 ton sign. Recently, the article was about how the commander planted 7 tanks in a swamp, weighing 35 tons. And tractors weighing 105 tons are working in the swamps of Tyumen.

[paul3390]

I wonder who told them that in the event of a real collision with Russia, the enta navigation system will work at all? Yes, and in our area, and so it is clear - the bridges for such a foolishness are by no means sacks .. They are known without any system. But whether the foe will be able to use them is a big question .. Rivers of various caliber in Russia - every kilometer. And through everything - you have to somehow get over ..

[Split]

Abrams from the very beginning is a PT-sau .... how many seps were squeezed out of it to make at least some semblance of a tank - things are still there ... t72.
Its task is to crawl to the maximum range, shoot and crawl back, tk. except for a forehead and a gun, he has nothing

[Secutor]

Given the modernity and the abundance of drones, tanks will be an easy target for those whose air defense is suppressed. And as such, there will be no tank battles. I do not understand the tasks of the Abrams, and the Americans themselves, probably, too.

[Split]

Now mobility decides ... and with that our Tesheks are all right ... here the main thing is decided by the training and coherence of the crews! all the tanks destroyed in our time in Syria shouting "Allah, I'm in the bar" are the fault of the crews ... who stood stupidly in the open area .... Although in most cases the tank saved the crews ....
Likewise, the same thing happened in Chechnya ... they brought tanks into the city .... almost without the support of the infantry .... even in the domestic one, there were engineering-assault groups in front, and the tank essentially covered them!

[Flanker692]

These are stereotypes. The T-72B3 is now the main tank that is being purchased for the RF Armed Forces with mobility, everything is in order ... compared to the T-62.
T72B3 - 840 hp for 46,5 tons - 18,1 hp / t. In 16, the "modernization of modernization" began, called T72B3 UBH, and the declared capacity was up to 1130 hp, a total of 24,3 hp / t; Not all modern Russian tanks are frisky, not all, and the T-72 (except for the B3 UBH, which is just good with it) is not one of them.
The engine of the country's main engine could be more powerful:
T80U - 1250 hp for 46,5 tons - almost 27 hp / t; (since in the 80s in the west, a thousand-horsepower diesel engines on MBTs already began to appear, then in order to reduce the lag in dynamics, because "our tanks are fast" and it was decided to go like the Americans along the path of the gas turbine engine, but again the question is about money and support of enterprises Now, when the specific power of modern diesel engines is not inferior to GTEs, there are no special advantages in them) There are still many 80oks in Russia and they will even be upgraded to T-80BVM, but this is not the main combat force.
All main battle tanks of the west have similar or better dynamic characteristics:
Abrams 1A2 - 1500 hp at 62,1 tons - 24,2 hp / t (gas-turbine engine with its pros and cons, but nevertheless powerful as hell. The hero of the article is not fundamentally different, in any case it will be ~ 23,5 hp / t or higher);
Leopard 2A5 - 1500 hp for 62 tons - 24,2 hp / t (why a gas turbine engine, if there is a German diesel);
Ariete - 1300 hp for 54 tons - 24,1 hp / t;
Type 10 - 1200 hp for 44 tons - 27,3 hp / t;
The only problem is the leisurely Challenger 2 - 1200 hp at 62,5 t - 19,2 hp / t and, as we can see, the power density is greater than that of any T-72 until 2016.
If there was money and the bulk of purchases would be shifted to the best in all directions except for the cost - T90M, they would have up to 24 hp / t.
Reversing on Soviet tank transmissions (except for the T-80) is another headache: ~ 5 km / h versus 20-30 km / h in the west, you can overtake such a tank with a quick step. You remembered city battles, I think this is a very useful parameter for them, which is terrible. If you watch the video of tank exercises, both ours and Western ones, then the tactics: drove out, fired, drove in - very relevant and without a good backdrop - you are substituted once again. And it seems that only on the T-90M and further on the Armata they did something about it. It's better not to remember the maximum speed, all tanks up to the T-90M lose in this.
In total, the majority of the T-72 are not bro, the minority in the person of the T-80BVM, the T-90M is the bro.

[Split]

Only fans of games can compare t62 with t72 ... t64, which is a deeply modernized one ... 72 well, it's just a break in templates and not knowing the topic ... by the way, I happened to shoot from 72

[Flanker692]

to be honest, I did not understand what you wrote, but for the rest, apparently the question is not, because these are facts

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Secutor

I do not understand the tasks of the Abrams

you have an aggravation of bayraktar Let me remind you that aviation has been at war for more than 100 years and for more than 100 years tanks, infantry fighting vehicles and artillery for some reason have not gone anywhere and continue to develop.

[Secutor]

You can compare how much money was spent on tanks before and aviation now. All countries are now paying more attention to aviation than to tanks.

[Sanichsan]

Quote: Secutor

All countries are now paying more attention to aviation than to tanks.

absolutely not.
aviation without tanks does not capture territory

[Alexey Koshkarov]

Do not forget, not the Air Force, but the TVNKists hung their flags in the central squares of Aleppo and so on.

[FoBoss_V]

I wonder how in Russia, if something happened, they are going to look for alternative ways of movement ??

[Vladimir 290]

many were looking for alternative ways in Russia, starting with the Poles, Susanin helped them.

[Split]

Well, yes, we were the first in the world to invent a semiconductor 400 years ago.

[grandfather_Kostya]

since often bridge crossings in Poland, for example, turned out to be unsuitable for the movement of such massive equipment along them.

They will shower the river with old Polish tanks and "wade over the heads" will break through!

[Skipper]

Good luck to this tank on the road ... and off-road ...

[Knell wardenheart]

Abramich is an unnecessarily heavy machine for the war in the East, this is something arithmetic mean between the Tiger and Tiger II, clearly not the car that effectively storms capital off-road, repairs in field conditions will be a real test for them, the increased weight requires really large-scale supplies of fuel and lubricants, which in war conditions in an extended area, in general, it is not a cake, even with machines of less weight.
As a tank "Abrams" has its advantages, but it is quite archaic for all its power and nominal armor. In the East, similar vehicles (as shown by the experience of the Tigers and KVshek of the same ones) incur rather high non-combat losses associated with various factors from VU and to weather and logistics. Since the potential for upgrading the tank in the meaning. at least exhausted and the chassis is heavily overloaded, I have big doubts that this car is ready for war in Eastern Europe.

[Sergey Tankist]

"... I also received an updated navigation system" - this GPS of theirs sometimes works so that no Susanin is needed ...

[stankow]

Quote: Secutor

At the moment, "our UAV" drums are not even in serial production. And if we compare in bare numbers the number of our and NATO aviation, then everything is clearly not in our favor. Well, how many Su-57 have they produced?
As a result, our tankers will be "blacks" in the tower when the air defense is suppressed and the Abrams will not even reach it.

these Russians - they are incomprehensible and it is not clear what to expect from them

It would be better to understand what to expect from the "Russians" in terms of production, otherwise the "incomprehensible and unclear" will release 10 aircraft and UAVs in 2022 or 2030.

How many t34 were in June 41 and how many were riveted before 45? In peacetime, develop, in wartime - produce.