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Museum toys, including military ones ...
Boy with toys. Unknown artist. 1830 g.


And the baby will play over the snake's hole, and the child will stretch out his hand on the snake's nest.
Isaiah 11: 8

Play now, children! Grow free!
That's what a red childhood is given to you,
Peasant children. N. A. Nekrasov

Culture and история. Memories of the past. On the eve of the New Year, it makes sense to talk about something pleasant. And what could be more pleasant than a carefree time of childhood? No special responsibilities for you, no worries, but a lot of games and fun ventures. And, of course, toys that have surrounded us all since childhood. The simplest toy is known, which was played by a bushman girl who did not even have clothes: it was a twig with two "legs", depicting a child, whom she gently laid to her breast and lulls.

I must say that, in general, attention has always been paid to toys. The adults understood that children's games were impossible without them, and therefore they took care that the children had them. And the most different. Note that the topic of toy history for its more or less complete coverage will require not one, but many articles, and perhaps someday such a cycle will indeed appear on VO. But not now!


What boy would not be interested in playing knight, putting on even toy, but real metal armor? Here they are - among the toys of the royal children in Sergiev Posad

Now we will talk, or rather, we will talk about the toys that are collected in the Toy Museum in Sergiev Posad. This museum is very interesting, and if you visit Sergiev Posad, then try to choose a time to visit it. It is not very far from the Lavra. The name of the museum itself is long and boring: “Art and Pedagogical Museum of Toys named after N.D. Bartram of the Sergiev Posad branch of the Federal State Budgetary Educational Institution of Higher Education "Higher School of Folk Arts (Academy)". But its contents did not get any worse from such an unpronounceable name ...

It is interesting primarily because there are toys of Russian tsars. But it's always interesting to see what the royal offspring from the family of Nicholas II played with ...


And this is a helmet, and just like a real one. And not just a helmet, but a cuirassier one. So under it, in any case, it was written ...


But there was also a 1912 shako in Tsarevich Alexei's wardrobe, as well as a couple of real capsule revolvers and ... soldier dolls


Doll sailor


A gun. And quite large. And not just a big one ... You can really shoot from it!

Well, the tsar on the Russian imperial throne was first of all a warrior, hence the abundance of military toys in his game "arsenal". I myself had a chance to visit this museum back in Soviet times. The photographs presented here, unfortunately, were not taken by me, but the signatures, from which it would be clear which heir-crown prince they belonged to, are not available for all exhibits. But - let's just look at them and admire the quality of their performance. And we will get to know some toys better ...


Castle and knight's shield

Well, the royal toys also have a very interesting story.

And it so happened that from 1918 to 1931 in the Alexander Palace in Tsarskoe Selo there were open expositions: "Children's half", "Room of the younger princesses" or "Heir's room", which recreated the appearance of the rooms of the last sovereign of the emperor and his family. It is clear that they also had toys. But after 1931, everything that was tsarist and did not fit into the eerie appearance of "monarchs oppressing the working people", apparently decided to remove and the exposition was curtailed. And toys ... were distributed to orphanages and orphanages.

But something that was not given to orphanages was donated to the toy museum in 1932. And they were kept in the storerooms of the Zagorsk Research Institute of Toys and in the Museum-Reserve, which was opened on the territory of the Lavra. Without specifying that these items are special. "Dolls of the XIX century" - that's the whole explanatory inscription. But there were people who established their origins and restored them, and one of the restorers even cut off her hair to make the hairstyle of one of the surviving dolls, which originally had it from natural hair!


The Drummer is a clockwork musical doll of the second half of the XNUMXth century. France


"The nightingale is a songbird." Also a unique clockwork toy

It is interesting that many of the toys of the children of the last Russian sovereign were educational! For example, Tsarevich Alexei had a watchmaker, from which he independently assembled a clock. There was a board game "Walker" - "A Journey through Russia" of the 1885 release, and a home table theater, which allowed to play the opera by M.I. Glinka "Life for the Tsar".


Doll dowry

The grand duchesses had their own sets to sew doll dresses. It should be noted that the children of Nicholas II had a lot of dolls dressed only in the costumes of peasants, for example, peasant dolls in the costume of the Tula province and the Moscow province, but there were also dolls in the costumes of foreigners: such as "Tatar", "Armenian" and "Ossetian". That is, the royal children from childhood got acquainted with the national culture of their peoples, which is more than correct. Who wants to be the owner, he should get acquainted with his economy from a young age, including through the life and culture of his subjects.

The dolls of the Grand Duchesses from Germany, France, England, and even Russia were delightful, with delicate porcelain faces, thin, like living fingers, in muslin, silk and cambric dresses, trimmed with amazing lace and embroidery.

Moreover, the girls sewed many dresses for their dolls themselves. And the Empress Alexandra Feodorovna herself taught them to sew and embroider. It would seem that the queen, but ... taught her daughters to work. And the fruits of this upbringing showed itself, in the time of the disaster of the war of 1914, the senior grand duchesses went to work in a hospital, where they did not shy away from the hardest work.

Some dolls were made abroad, but to order, reflecting the native motives. For example, a doll in the form of a soldier of the Semyonovsky Life Guards regiment was made in Germany around 1910.


This is the doll. Materials: metal, glass, fabric, leather. Figure height 65 cm

Since there are dolls, they need to eat and drink tea - this is a must. Therefore, the grand duchesses also had a magnificent Meissen porcelain tea set, in which there were cups, teapots, an elegant sugar bowl with a milk jug, and small spoons.

The young heir suffered from hemophilia, a hereditary disease in which blood does not clot. So he could seriously suffer from the slightest injury, and even just from a fall. Therefore, they tried not to keep dangerous objects in his playroom. But ... with all this, Alexei was brought up primarily as a military man who would rule not only the empire, but also command the army. Therefore, he had a toy three-line rifle of the Mosin system, a toy battleship "Sevastopol", sea signal flags. Well, and what our modern children would also like: an electric railway with stations, houses, tunnels, carriages and a steam locomotive.


Here it is - Mosin's toy rifle!

The Tsarevich also had a whole squadron, starting with the toy "Novik" - not at all similar to its prototype, and ending with such battleships ...


Toy battleship


Toy destroyer


And this is Coastal Defense!


The boy also had soldiers, and they were very different, not only large, but also flat - "Nuremberg" ...


Railroad bridge


Bridge and steam locomotive


Railroad tracks and wagons

Outdoor sports develop kids! This commandment was strictly observed in the royal family. Children played bowling pins, badminton, croquet, skated, bicycles, played Indians in nature - fortunately, wigwams, canoes and other accessories of Indian life they had the most real: a gift from an Indian leader named Spotted Tail to Grand Duke Alexei Alexandrovich, who was the fourth son of Alexander II, brother of Alexander III and uncle of Nicholas II, and with whom the prince, together with the legendary Buffalo Bill, hunted on the prairie of Nebraska.


Indian wigwam and canoe

So this museum is interesting not only for children, but also for adults. There will be an opportunity - try to be sure to visit it!

PS Photos of Svetlana Zolotareva.

To be continued ...
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  1. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 29 December 2021 05: 59
    -1
    Beautiful toys ... but not for the yard boys ... they will break or set on fire in an instant.
    In my childhood there was a constant running around the neighborhoods and rooftops, playing war, Indians, football, hockey, skiing, smile fights with local boys ... and toys were to match them ... pistols, submachine guns, sticks, bows, clubs, sabers, various firecrackers and bombs ... what they just didn’t come up with. smile
    Oh, it was a golden childhood.
    Thank you Vyacheslav for immersion in the distant Soviet past. hi
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 29 December 2021 06: 34
      +16
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      Thank you Vyacheslav for immersion in the distant Soviet past.
      To the Soviet ?! Are you talking about the article right now? Because I haven't heard such a powerful crunch of a French bun for a long time! laughing

      But after 1931, everything that was tsarist and did not fit into the terrible appearance of "monarchs-oppressors of the working people", it was decided, apparently, to remove and the exposition was curtailed.
      Or became available to the MASSOVO, people, comparable in quality and usefulness for the development of toys and games.
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 29 December 2021 06: 43
        -3
        What the hell are French rolls for proletarian children ... if I got these royal toys as a child ... I would quickly drown the ships in the nearest puddle, melt the soldiers in a tin can, use the houses as fortresses when shelling with artillery from bricks, rip the dolls off and etc. smile hi
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 29 December 2021 07: 05
          +6
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          dolls would be skinned

          This is already a war crime! Puppet sister bully or girls! love
        2. LisKat2
          LisKat2 29 December 2021 08: 06
          0
          "I would have ripped off the dolls," but now how can you motivate yourself for such barbarism? Approved or not
        3. Andrey Moskvin
          Andrey Moskvin 29 December 2021 08: 11
          +1
          What exactly do you want to rip off the dolls? laughing
        4. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 08: 39
          +7
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          If I were a child these royal toys ... I would quickly drown the ships in the nearest puddle

          What, such a class hatred of toy boats? Don't you think this escapade is stupid?
        5. Hantengri
          Hantengri 29 December 2021 09: 11
          +5
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          I used the houses as fortresses when firing with artillery from bricks, I would rip off dolls, etc.

          Why bricks? There is also a real gun, bronze, shooting! laughing Sodatikov in the fortress, dolls - there, to represent the civilian population, to fill the gun with gunpowder, to hammer in a wad, to roll a lead nucleolus and bang ...
          As a child, I did just that, only I had a self-made cannon, from a piece of a thick-walled copper tube found in a trash heap.
          Quote: Lech from Android.
          ships would be quickly drowned in the nearest puddle

          My battleship Potemkin died like that heroically, from the explosion of "powder magazines", that is. explosion package, in the hold.
          1. Ashes of Claes
            Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 09: 55
            +4
            Quote: HanTengri
            My battleship Potemkin died like that heroically, from the explosion of "powder magazines", that is. explosion package, in the hold.

            Purely out of curiosity: did you already at the stage of gluing in the "hold" an explosive package?
            1. Hantengri
              Hantengri 29 December 2021 10: 04
              +9
              Well, you have enough! Aluminum powder + potassium permanganate, in a casing made of paper wound on caradash + "fuse cord", made of a ballpoint pen and match heads. Such a "device" is not familiar to you?
              1. Ashes of Claes
                Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 10: 45
                +3
                Quote: HanTengri
                Such a "device" is not familiar to you?

                I'm not actually talking about recipes from the Anarchist Cookbook. I am interested in purely inserting the VU into the case - did you do this already when gluing the case? That is, you already turned the boat into a fire-ship from the very beginning, didn't you?
                1. Hantengri
                  Hantengri 29 December 2021 10: 57
                  +7
                  Quote: Ashes of Klaas
                  You already turned the boat into a fire-ship from the very beginning, didn't you?

                  Of course not! It stood for 1,5 years, on a bookcase. And only then, when I was finally tired of wiping off the dust and glueing the small parts falling off at the same time, the middle part of the deck was carefully peeled off, after which, the ballast and the "bomb" were laid in the hull.
                2. Ilya22558
                  Ilya22558 29 December 2021 11: 14
                  +6
                  With the help of a penknife, a hole was poked in the body, where all this wealth was laid. By analogy, my MiG 17 died in an unequal battle (just in case, I'll clarify: a model)))
                  1. Ashes of Claes
                    Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 12: 15
                    +3
                    Quote: Ilya22558
                    Using a pocket knife, a hole was poked in the body

                    What, nafig, "hole"? The whole point is to do it carefully. Correctly comrade wrote:
                    Quote: HanTengri
                    the middle part of the deck was neatly peeled off,

                    It was generally easier with tanks - the turret was removed. But we didn’t stuff them with explosives, but simply shot them with arson.
              2. Ingvar 72
                Ingvar 72 29 December 2021 15: 54
                +6
                Quote: HanTengri
                Aluminium powder

                Once in my childhood I threw a barrel of silver into a fire and waited for a flash. After 15 minutes without waiting, I decided to ride it in the fire.
                It was then that I understood the principle of the rocket engine for the first time. wassat
                Thank God nothing happened.
      2. kalibr
        29 December 2021 07: 43
        0
        Quote: Vladimir_2U
        Because I haven't heard such a powerful crunch of a French bun for a long time!

        And these are bad French rolls? They are still produced in our country today and still have a crispy crust, only the name has been changed. And croissants began to be made in the Metro store just as well as in the Paul Café in Paris!
        1. Vladimir_2U
          Vladimir_2U 29 December 2021 08: 16
          +5
          Quote: kalibr
          And these are bad French rolls? They are still produced here today and still have a crispy crust.

          This "Meme" does not seem familiar to you ...
        2. The leader of the Redskins
          The leader of the Redskins 29 December 2021 09: 07
          +3
          Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich, for the excursion to ... Childhood. After all, each of us had toys. A lot or a little, plastic or iron, but there were! Interestingly, what were the favorites of the tsarevich / princesses? And were they scolded if they broke some of the toys?
          1. kalibr
            29 December 2021 09: 35
            +6
            Quote: Leader of the Redskins
            And were they scolded if they broke some of the toys?

            I will not say exactly what I knew - everything is in the article. But they were brought up quite strictly. That is, they probably scolded and punished, but it is clear that they did not flog.
            1. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 29 December 2021 15: 49
              +4
              Quote: kalibr
              but it is clear that they were not flogged.


              - And my sister said that children should not be flogged. - (Affectionately and instructive.) It is necessary. It is necessary! You will grow up, become a skipper and officers - you yourself will take a stick in your hands. Remember what it is like on its back, and do not punish anyone idle and out of spite!
        3. Ashes of Claes
          Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 09: 26
          -5
          Quote: kalibr
          And these are bad French rolls?

          It seems, Vyacheslav Olegovich, someone's sensitive class receptors have caught the miasma of monarchist propaganda !! laughing
          For bigots and fans of dusty helmets, it would have been necessary to attribute something like Shvonder's
          This is how our pseudo-learned bourgeoisie has fun! Each of them knows how to occupy seven rooms until the shining sword of justice flashed over him with a red ray.
          (C)
          They think, apparently, that the exposition lacks Yurovsky's Mauser. For completeness, so to speak ...
          1. kalibr
            29 December 2021 09: 36
            0
            Quote: Ashes of Klaas
            They think, apparently, that the exposition lacks Yurovsky's Mauser. For completeness, so to speak ...

            This is very sad.
          2. Catfish
            Catfish 29 December 2021 15: 59
            +3
            the exposition lacks Yurovsky's Mauser.


            And this is please, "and let no one leave offended" (c), even these.



            I don’t know who exactly they had in mind when creating this "masterpiece", but, in my opinion, rare.

            For comparison - an American toy from about the same time.

            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 29 December 2021 16: 18
              +3
              Quote: Sea Cat
              And this is please, "and let no one leave offended" (c), even these.




              I don’t know who exactly they had in mind when creating this "masterpiece", but, in my opinion, rare.

              And also paper caps were sold to this weapon. In the form of a paper tape with dots from (God knows what), but popping with smoke and fire ... With frequent misfires ... But we liked it .. fellow
            2. Aviator_
              Aviator_ 29 December 2021 20: 03
              +2
              For comparison - an American toy from about the same time.

              This "American toy" was brought to me by my father from Moscow in 1964. Bahala with caps on a paper tape. I don’t remember who was produced, the Hammer and Sickle plant, it seems.
          3. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 29 December 2021 20: 00
            +2
            For bigots and fans of dusty helmets

            Did you remember Bulat Shalvovich? His "dusty helmets" along with the "commissars".
    2. kalibr
      29 December 2021 07: 37
      +5
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      distant Soviet past.

      I'm glad you liked it, but about Soviet toys ... in the next article!
      1. Catfish
        Catfish 29 December 2021 15: 42
        0
        Vyacheslav, good afternoon, I liked it too. smile
        And even individuals who are crazy about politics do not spoil the impression of the article.
        Thank you! good

        I'm going to have some coffee and a croissant. wink drinks
        1. kalibr
          29 December 2021 15: 49
          +1
          Quote: Sea Cat
          And even those crazy about politics individuals do not spoil the impression of the article.

          Yes, but in the selected word at the end, instead of D, another letter should be put. Also called to drink tea ...
  2. Kote Pan Kokhanka
    Kote Pan Kokhanka 29 December 2021 05: 59
    +6
    Amazing New Years article!
    Thanks to Vyacheslav and Svetlana for such a gift, I even felt a little sorry that childhood was already far behind.
    1. kalibr
      29 December 2021 07: 40
      +6
      Yes, Vladislav. This is exactly our gift to all VO readers. Not one, but three articles have been prepared on the topic of toys and childhood. And they must come out one by one! And the last one is the most New Year's, of course.
  3. Andrey Moskvin
    Andrey Moskvin 29 December 2021 06: 18
    +1
    And the royal children were seriously playing - the shell on the chest was all dents.
    1. Uncle lee
      Uncle lee 29 December 2021 07: 49
      +6
      And we were not tsar's children, we had toys, but we did a lot ourselves, but fantasized and invented more: an airplane of two stools, a hut under the table, a stick - a gun ... There were inventors - even those!
      1. Andrey Moskvin
        Andrey Moskvin 29 December 2021 08: 09
        +6
        We "huts" loved to build suitable trees on trees. And in the summer TV brought on ... After "The Musketeers ..." everything with swords, after "Robin Hood ..." with bows and swords.
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 29 December 2021 08: 49
          +7
          Quote: Andrey Moskvin
          "huts" loved to build

          Huts, headquarters - a sacred cause ... Only the films were different: "The Immortal Garrison", "The Exploit of the Scout" ...
  4. Korsar4
    Korsar4 29 December 2021 07: 45
    +4
    "A sign of desire to rule,
    With an obedient doll child
    Jokingly prepared
    To decency - the law of light,
    And importantly repeats to her
    Lessons from my mother "(c).
  5. avia12005
    avia12005 29 December 2021 07: 47
    +7
    Ay, what a delight these toys are for the children of the emperor, in whose country infant mortality was terrifying. Oh, how beautiful ...
    1. kalibr
      29 December 2021 08: 15
      -10
      Quote: avia12005
      Ay, what a delight these toys are for the children of the emperor, in whose country infant mortality was terrifying. Oh, how beautiful ...

      Yes, one did not interfere with the other. And - most importantly, psychologically it was perceived as a natural state of affairs. But ... infant mortality was periodically very high in our country. And in terms of the number of abortions, it was the USSR that firmly held the palm in the whole world!
      1. avia12005
        avia12005 29 December 2021 08: 40
        +6
        This indifference to the state of its people found full understanding among the elite of modern Russia. Oligarchs and deputies live on yachts or in London. Their children have everything, like the offspring of Nicholas. And from the TV screens they urge ordinary children to chip in on operations. Well, for the family!
        1. Krasnodar
          Krasnodar 29 December 2021 08: 57
          -4
          Quote: avia12005
          This indifference to the state of its people found full understanding among the elite of modern Russia. Oligarchs and deputies live on yachts or in London. Their children have everything, like the offspring of Nicholas. And from the TV screens they urge ordinary children to chip in on operations. Well, for the family!

          But in the USSR, the daughter of the head of the Krasnodar City Executive Committee was put with an average form of chickenpox ... in intensive care (!), Freeing up a whole room for her, where the sick, of course, were not stirred while the child of the party prince was there)).
          As for the deputies, I know one thing, but goes to bed at 12 at night, goes to check its production at five in the morning, and sleeps for two hours during the day. The delegation also manages to accept “give money for culture, give money for education” - judging by the fact that in the end it reaches the addressee from his pocket, “ordinary people” do not offend themselves, stealing not only state, but also patron's money yes
          Therefore, now, it seems to me, everything is much more honest.
          1. kalibr
            29 December 2021 09: 38
            -2
            Quote: Krasnodar
            Therefore, now, it seems to me, everything is much more honest.

            That's it!
            1. avia12005
              avia12005 29 December 2021 10: 11
              +6
              Well, no one is trying to convince you. I like to look at this dollar insanity, look.
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 December 2021 10: 32
                -6
                Quote: avia12005
                Well, no one is trying to convince you. I like to look at this dollar insanity, look.

                Yes, I enjoy it)).
              2. kalibr
                29 December 2021 10: 43
                -1
                Quote: avia12005
                dollar insanity

                This is not dollar, but ruble insanity - our culture, our heritage and heritage, the cultural wealth of our Motherland. Like the toilet, painted with lime, filled with bleach, with two holes and walls with brown finger stripes. Somehow undecim posted a photo of a similar rarity here!
                1. kalibr
                  29 December 2021 15: 41
                  +1
                  Oh, I see five minusers, fighters for Soviet toilets, which are closer to them than the bourgeois Hermitage? What a good journey!
          2. avia12005
            avia12005 29 December 2021 10: 10
            +6
            I do not think so.
          3. Ashes of Claes
            Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 10: 13
            -1
            Quote: Krasnodar
            But under the USSR, the daughter of the head of the Krasnodar City Executive Committee was put with an average form of chickenpox ... in intensive care (!), Freeing up a whole room for her, where the sick, of course, were not stirred while the child of the party prince was there)) ... So now, it seems to me , everything is much more honest ..

            Ehm .... In this place there should be an angry rebuke of the Tatra's aunt. Where, by the way, is this scalp hunter of the enemies of the Cambodians? While she catches them on other resources, they got loose here !!!! They cover their pathetic cowardly essence with royal toys! laughing
            1. Krasnodar
              Krasnodar 29 December 2021 10: 39
              -6
              The doctors of the communists, who destroyed the USSR, cowardly shove the blame on the communists, who created the USSR, slandering the socialist system, created by the communists, friends of the communists!
              1. Ashes of Claes
                Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 11: 44
                0
                This communist promiscuity should simply be presented in the form of a TV series. Shakespearean passions, subtle lyricism of Demyan Bedny, suffragist eroticism of Kollontai, the charm of unisekca a'la kozhAnka ... the appearance of the main antagonist with an ice pick in his head ... No, the coitus of cockroaches in someone's head gives rise to monsters ... laughing
                1. Krasnodar
                  Krasnodar 29 December 2021 11: 55
                  -2
                  And cockroaches have just the same hypertrophied libido. laughing
                  1. Ashes of Claes
                    Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 12: 01
                    0
                    They are armed with the proletarian theory of a glass of water!
                    1. Krasnodar
                      Krasnodar 29 December 2021 12: 03
                      -2
                      And Zheleznyak-Kollontai ahead fellow
                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 29 December 2021 15: 10
                        +3
                        And Zheleznyak-Kollontai ahead

                        In an embrace with Dybenko?
                        They are armed with the proletarian theory of a glass of water!

                        But only with a class-related comrade-in-arms!
                      2. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 29 December 2021 15: 12
                        -1
                        Yes, because Kolontai could easily read two books at the same time hi
            2. avia12005
              avia12005 29 December 2021 16: 06
              +1
              Glory to the heroic fighters with a damned Soviet past.
    2. Konnick
      Konnick 29 December 2021 13: 54
      +9
      Ay, what a delight these toys are for the children of the emperor, in whose country infant mortality was terrifying. Oh, how beautiful ...

      Immediately I remembered "Three Fat Men" ... about the doll of the heir to Tutti.
      1. Krasnodar
        Krasnodar 29 December 2021 15: 14
        -1
        Another Soviet book with tough propaganda of the revolution - Suok sang about a loaf, which preferred to burn in the oven, but not get into the stomach of the bourgeois))
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 29 December 2021 16: 25
          +4
          Quote: Krasnodar
          Another Soviet book with tough propaganda of the revolution - Suok sang about a loaf, which preferred to burn in the oven, but not get into the stomach of the bourgeois))

          Nevertheless, I really liked this film as a child ... We were sincerely worried about the heroes .. In essence, a kind film.
          1. Krasnodar
            Krasnodar 29 December 2021 17: 23
            0
            I recently read a book / from the point of view of a modern adult - trash of course))
            And as a child, the film was perceived positively. laughing
            1. hohol95
              hohol95 29 December 2021 19: 09
              +2
              Modern readers are hard to please. Especially the authors who lived in the 30s and 40s of the 20th century!
              1. Krasnodar
                Krasnodar 29 December 2021 19: 11
                +3
                So he wrote in the 20s, after the Civil War. The tension of the class struggle is felt there
                1. hohol95
                  hohol95 29 December 2021 19: 31
                  +1
                  Why not feel the "strain" of the class struggle!
                  The country must be re-created on a different idiological platform. Many more "fiery tribunes" are in leadership positions! The class struggle is only gaining momentum and is being reflected in literature. Especially the nursery. To educate young Leninists !!!
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 29 December 2021 20: 35
                    0
                    I agree, but for us this is game))
                    1. hohol95
                      hohol95 29 December 2021 22: 19
                      +4
                      1935 year. Soviet children's film "New Guliver"!
                      "My midget come to me
                      Let's stay alone for a minute. "
                      1. Krasnodar
                        Krasnodar 29 December 2021 22: 48
                        +1
                        No, well it's a different league drinks
                2. hohol95
                  hohol95 29 December 2021 19: 36
                  +2
                  The modern reader is unlikely to read "Aelita" or "Air Seller" to the end.
                  And he will honestly declare that it was impossible to create a spaceship in a barn after the Civil War, and the author "came up with a frank tale"! Not a fantastic piece.
                  For the modern reader - fiction is the crowd of spaceborne troops fighting with crowds of all kinds of cosmic evil ...
                  1. Krasnodar
                    Krasnodar 29 December 2021 20: 35
                    +1
                    Or hitchhiker's guide to the Galaxy))
                  2. Xnumx vis
                    Xnumx vis 29 December 2021 20: 39
                    +3
                    Quote: hohol95
                    The modern reader is unlikely to read "Aelita" or "Air Seller" to the end.
                    And he will honestly declare that it was impossible to create a spaceship in a barn after the Civil War, and the author "came up with a frank tale"! Not a fantastic piece.

                    No no and one more time no . And all these opuses are talented and not so much about the popes, civilizers, and other garbage. It’s like I got naked, no one knows where, two months later I got the first melting of steel in a blast furnace and conquered half of the inhabited planet .. Fantasy is always a boundless and crazy flight of imagination. it's not for nothing that everyone in childhood loves fairy tales. which is no longer a fantasy ... A showing and talking mirror (internet-mobile communication), flying on a stupa (helicopter), a fire-breathing snake analogue of "Pinocchio", a self-assembled tablecloth .. Remember, analyze, be surprised !!!
                    1. hohol95
                      hohol95 29 December 2021 21: 37
                      +3
                      Popadans are a product of our time ...
                      It used to be that inquisitive scientists created time machines in their works, but now either the truck "helps" or just different deities are bored and they begin to "call" characters from different places of Mother Earth.
                      At the same time, constantly hitting the "finger" in Japan or South Korea.
                      And no scientific time machines ...
                      One of the first Soviet visitors - "New Year's Adventures of Masha and Viti".
                      And I am surprised ... you can only become Zhirinovsky president of the Russian Federation !!!
                      1. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 30 December 2021 05: 44
                        +1
                        Popadans are a product of our time ...
                        The first work about the victim was written by Mark Twain in 1889.
                        The first Russian-language novel about a victim was published in 1927
                      2. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 December 2021 05: 49
                        +1
                        Good morning! hi
                        "The Yankees, of course, stirred up the court of King Arthur", but massively "hit" began to "fall" already at the end of the 20th century!
                        good
                      3. 3x3zsave
                        3x3zsave 30 December 2021 05: 53
                        0
                        Hi Aleksey!
                        That's right!
                        And only in Russia. Russian "hit" is a product of defeatist psychology
                      4. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 December 2021 07: 46
                        +1
                        I think our Japanese and Korean people cannot be outdone ...
                        The difference is that the "Nashists" end up in the times of the Great Patriotic War or in Tsarist Russia. And the Asian "hitches" attack other worlds - "fantasy" and other alternative to "Earth's Maiushki".
  6. LisKat2
    LisKat2 29 December 2021 08: 01
    +2
    Good morning everyone. Vyacheslav Olegovich, thank you very much for the interesting material.
    You and Valery have interesting articles, but more for my husband, not me. Today I AM INTERESTED
    1. kalibr
      29 December 2021 08: 15
      +3
      Quote: LisKat2
      Today I AM INTERESTED

      I am glad!
  7. 3x3zsave
    3x3zsave 29 December 2021 08: 32
    +4
    The most vivid memory of visiting the Toy Museum: "Can I stay here ?!" I was about eight years old ...
    Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
    Hello Svetlana!
    1. kalibr
      29 December 2021 10: 39
      +4
      Quote: 3x3zsave
      Thank you, Vyacheslav Olegovich!
      Hello Svetlana!

      I will certainly pass it on. She almost missed the bus while filming it all. There will be many more pictures ahead ...
    2. Van 16
      Van 16 29 December 2021 14: 20
      +4
      "Can I stay here?"

      Something like this my daughter told me at the Museum of Dolls in St. Petersburg smile
  8. Ashes of Claes
    Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 09: 04
    +2
    Under the standard to commemorate the visit of the Russian squadron to Toulon in 1893, apparently, the toy gunboat "Terez", which took part in that historic event?)))
    Well, that's me, I fantasize)
    1. kalibr
      29 December 2021 09: 38
      +3
      I don’t know, I can’t say, but apparently so.
    2. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 29 December 2021 15: 56
      +4
      Quote: Ashes of Klaas
      Under the standard to commemorate the visit of the Russian squadron to Toulon in 1893, apparently, the toy gunboat "Terez", which took part in that historic event?)))
      Well, that's me, I fantasize)

      Absolutely not. "Terets" is of the same type with "Manjur" and "Korean"
      1. Undecim
        Undecim 29 December 2021 18: 23
        +2
        Under the standard to commemorate the visit of the Russian squadron to Toulon in 1893, apparently, the toy gunboat "Terez"

        It can be assumed that this is a model of an armored turret boat.

        But what type, I find it difficult to determine.
        1. Senior seaman
          Senior seaman 29 December 2021 18: 56
          +2
          I do not think. Rather, it is an attempt to portray a destroyer.
          The cockpit is clearly visible. Two small-caliber guns on pedestals and a rotary mine apparatus.
          Maybe "Nargen"? Although the wheelhouse in front of the MA.
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 29 December 2021 18: 59
            +1
            We are talking, apparently, about different ships. You are about what is below, close-up, and I about what is above, Under the standard.
            1. Senior seaman
              Senior seaman 29 December 2021 19: 04
              +2
              Quote: Undecim
              We are talking about different ships.

              Oops. lol
              Quote: Undecim
              about what is above,

              Yes, there is nothing you can not really see, but judging by the "Novik" could generally, God knows what to portray :)))
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 29 December 2021 19: 17
                +1
                Yes, there is nothing to be seen clearly

                And I’m talking about that. I assumed based on what is visible.
        2. also clean
          also clean 29 December 2021 23: 36
          0
          In my opinion - Unicorn
  9. Olgovich
    Olgovich 29 December 2021 10: 13
    +2
    but the royal Christmas decorations on Christmas trees, not much different from today's


    paintings by a wonderful Russian artist Olga Alexandrovna Romanova, the sister of the Emperor of Russia.

    Thanks to the author!
  10. Mihaylov
    Mihaylov 29 December 2021 10: 31
    +5
    Majorca. Estate of La Granja. Children's room:
    1. Pane Kohanku
      Pane Kohanku 29 December 2021 15: 50
      +8
      Majorca. Estate of La Granja. Children's room:

      Sergei, pay attention to how the toys are drawn in A.N. Benoit, 1904.




      But I dedicate this picture personally to the Great Leader Crowe! wink drinks

  11. Oleg Sazonov
    Oleg Sazonov 29 December 2021 10: 38
    +8
    Thanks to the author for a detailed and thorough article about this unique place. In this regard, I would like to recall Alexander Umarovich Grekov, who recently passed away from us, who headed the museum for 20 years, and through whose efforts the collection is not only still in excellent condition, but also significantly expanded, thanks to the extraordinary energy and enthusiasm of this person. Kingdom of heaven.
  12. Undecim
    Undecim 29 December 2021 11: 06
    +2
    Note that the topic of toy history for its more or less complete coverage will require not one, but many articles.

    As an option - the cycle "World Toy Museums".

    Childhood Museum. London.

    German Toy Museum. Sonneberg.
    1. Ashes of Claes
      Ashes of Claes 29 December 2021 12: 02
      0
      Zurich, Munich, Nuremberg ...))
      1. kalibr
        29 December 2021 13: 07
        +4
        I have not been to these museums. And I have been to Zagorsk more than once ...
        1. Undecim
          Undecim 29 December 2021 13: 24
          +3
          I have not been to these museums.

          You can cycle: "Museums I have not been to."
          1. kalibr
            29 December 2021 15: 35
            +2
            Quote: Undecim
            "Museums I haven't been to."

            Great idea!
    2. Undecim
      Undecim 29 December 2021 13: 26
      0
      For some, latent dysphoria is already so twisted that even comments about children's toys are minus.
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 29 December 2021 14: 00
        +4
        Warm evening light to all streets! Goodness and peace - to everyone walking along them!
        One of my yesterday's minified comments
        1. kalibr
          29 December 2021 15: 36
          +2
          Quote: 3x3zsave
          One of my yesterday's minified comments

          It was clearly a night light, a burglar, accustomed to working on dark cold nights!
          1. Undecim
            Undecim 29 December 2021 15: 52
            +1
            It was clearly a night light, a burglar, accustomed to working on dark cold nights!

            Just in Prague there is a museum of such night lights for dark, cold nights.
            1. kalibr
              29 December 2021 18: 19
              +2
              I also have something ... from Meissen. We need to think and write about ... dishes!
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 29 December 2021 18: 27
                +3
                Why not! An object that has served people with faith and truth for centuries, captured in the paintings of famous painters. And the name in French is so poetic - rot de chambre.
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 29 December 2021 15: 40
          +1
          One of my yesterday's minified comments

          Ay, don't press on a sore corn. I have a vague feeling that some of the anonymous users on the site have an aggravation ... negative
          About soldiers, from VIZH.
          http://history.milportal.ru/soldatiki-imperatorov-ot-petra-iii-do-nikolaya-ii/

          From the notes of Catherine II, it is well known about Peter III's infatuation with soldiers made of papier-mâché1. He retained this hobby and became emperor, ordering precious accessories for his soldiers to the court jeweler Jeremiah Pozier.

          Yes, and Peter even hanged a rat that ate two "sentries" made of starch. He also certainly had models of guns. Here are the models that appeared in the materials of the exhibition by Petershtadt:



          и



          Further, from VIZH:
          The collection of the State Hermitage contains large cardboard figures depicting Holstein soldiers with extremely accurate and detailed coloring. They probably belonged either to Peter III or to his son, Paul I.

          When creating the inventory of Petershtadt (after the assassination of Peter III), two large grenadier dolls were mentioned.

          About Paul's toys. At the end of 1764, an artillery officer brought him a wind cannon and a howitzer as a gift. Pavel amused himself with them, and not alone, but with Grigory Orlov and Poroshin.
    3. LisKat2
      LisKat2 29 December 2021 17: 53
      +1
      If Vyacheslav Olegovich master this topic. This is wonderful
      I like to bet, but I'm already afraid to voice: Vyacheslav Olegovich missed.
      Was not, ratchet can say, I bet: the next will be the Soviet period, probably 50-60 years
      1. kalibr
        29 December 2021 18: 18
        +1
        Quote: LisKat2
        followed by the Soviet period, probably 50-60 years

        It was not hard to guess. There will be toys from the period 30-60 years! And ... my own 70-80 made for my daughter.
  13. astra wild2
    astra wild2 29 December 2021 11: 24
    +4
    Vyacheslav Olegovich, colleagues, good morning. Now we were watching dolls with the girls. They are all beautiful, but I liked the railway. I am an adult, almost a grandmother, (the "kid's" wife carried it) and willingly played around on such a road. As a child, I saw: Gderovskaya, very beautiful. Her adults were played
    1. kalibr
      29 December 2021 13: 03
      +4
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Her adults were played

      I have. Purchased in 1980 ... At first the daughter played, then the granddaughter. Everything is whole for the right ...
      1. astra wild2
        astra wild2 29 December 2021 18: 48
        +1
        Vyacheslav Olegovich, the pig argued that the next toys would be of the Soviet period
        1. kalibr
          29 December 2021 19: 08
          0
          Quote: Astra wild2
          the next toys will be of the Soviet period

          That will be so!
    2. Senior seaman
      Senior seaman 29 December 2021 15: 58
      +8
      Quote: Astra wild2
      Her adults were played

      - Vasya, who do you want more, a boy or a girl?
      - Boy!
      - And why?
      - I want a radio-controlled helicopter! yes
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 29 December 2021 17: 44
        +2
        And from the age of five they promised me a dog, but in the end they "bought" my brother ... crying
        1. astra wild2
          astra wild2 29 December 2021 18: 20
          +1
          Anton, you reminded me of the cartoon: "Kid and Carlson 'when the boy wanted a dog.
          1. 3x3zsave
            3x3zsave 29 December 2021 18: 29
            +1
            Vera, have you read the Carlson trilogy? There the pathos of the situation is even tougher. My only excuse is that I'm an older brother
  14. CHEREDA73
    CHEREDA73 29 December 2021 12: 02
    +5
    An unexpected topic!
    Vyacheslav Olegovich surprised good
    As always, thanks to the author!
    Reading, I was even touched. I remembered my childhood and my toys. I would like to play royal wink
    Beautiful pictures ...
    Overall, respect!
    1. Korsar4
      Korsar4 29 December 2021 12: 16
      +2
      You have to be careful with your desires - they can come true. Cook Leonid Sednev, a friend of the Tsarevich, was lucky. He avoided being shot.
      1. CHEREDA73
        CHEREDA73 29 December 2021 12: 24
        +4
        Yes, lucky, for sure!
        Okay, all the same, neither a toy battleship nor other joys will shine for me ...
        But only work-work request
        1. kalibr
          29 December 2021 13: 04
          +4
          Quote: CHEREDA73
          toy battleship

          Do it yourself. From sculptural plasticine. Paint it and it will float with you! I've done these.
        2. Pane Kohanku
          Pane Kohanku 29 December 2021 16: 11
          +5
          Okay, all the same, neither a toy battleship nor other joys will shine for me ...

          Eugene, buy the simplest model from "Zvezda" or "Modelist" 1/72 - and collect! yes By the way, it really unloads ... good drinks
          1. hohol95
            hohol95 29 December 2021 19: 19
            +2
            Polish gentlemen agree with you !!!
            They released another "set" of figures of a Polish policeman-cavalryman with a saber over his head and a hunched figure of a Red Army soldier with a rifle in his hand, probably running from this furious Pan!
            Dedicated to this "set of soldiers" "to the victory at the village of Gusinnoe on September 24, 1939".
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 29 December 2021 21: 19
              +1
              Quote: hohol95
              Dedicated to this "set of soldiers" "to the victory at the village of Gusinnoe on September 24, 1939".

              The famous battle was probably. Worldwide.
              1. hohol95
                hohol95 29 December 2021 22: 06
                +2
                "Polish side" claims that the glorious lancers and a squadron of mounted police, with the support of infantry 81mm mortars, "crumbled into cabbage" several hundred Red Army soldiers !!!
                Then the mines ran out. Tanks came to the "red" to help. And the lords proudly surrendered !!!
                Without suffering losses ...
            2. Pane Kohanku
              Pane Kohanku 29 December 2021 21: 23
              +2
              Dedicated to this "set of soldiers" "to the victory at the village of Gusinnoe on September 24, 1939".

              If there is nothing to be proud of, and the anger goes off scale, a reason must be found.
              1. Undecim
                Undecim 29 December 2021 22: 04
                +3
                If there is nothing to be proud of, and the anger goes off scale, a reason must be found.

                There is no "victory at the village of Gusinnoe" in Polish history, and the Poles did not invent anything and are not proud of it. There is an episode in the chronicle of 1939, when the combined military unit tried to break through the battle formations of the Red Army with a sudden cavalry attack, the moment of surprise had a short-term success, but in the end the unit was defeated and surrendered.
                1. hohol95
                  hohol95 29 December 2021 22: 11
                  +2
                  Do laudatory pictures are painted for bitter spirits?
                  And there are statements about "hundreds of hacked Reds"?
                  "If not for the Russian tanks" ...
                  The victory was almost possible, and so on ...
                  1. Undecim
                    Undecim 29 December 2021 22: 20
                    +3
                    According to official Polish data, the losses were - the Poles had 143 killed and 139 wounded, the Red Army - 80 killed and 113 wounded, which is quite possible with a sudden cavalry attack in an open field. There is no mention of any "near victory".
                    1. Pane Kohanku
                      Pane Kohanku 29 December 2021 23: 00
                      +3
                      There is no mention of any "near victory".

                      Viktor Nikolaevich, I heard about this fight. It seems that the Poles then collected a combined horse hodgepodge from the remnants of the lancers and gendarmes, and patted our rifle battalion.
                      I tried to find this fight now on the Internet - it did not work. request It seems that only the Poles really remember him the most ... Well, he must be at least proud of something! negative EMNIP, they have taken prisoners. What happened to them?
                      1. Undecim
                        Undecim 29 December 2021 23: 06
                        +3
                        It was not the Poles who captured the prisoners, but the Poles surrendered. https://historia.org.pl/2017/09/24/bitwa-pod-husynnem-zapomniana-szarza-policji-panstwowej-na-oddzial-armii-czerwonej/ is one of the most serious Polish historical sites.
                        If you start a "battle for Husynne" in a search engine, then even an English-language wiki responds. But there you can see the turbopatriots wrote. They are everywhere.
                      2. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 29 December 2021 23: 25
                        +3
                        it is one of the most important Polish historical sites.

                        The picture is funny there. Policji Państwowej.
                        Apparently the gendarmes. And the helmets of especially prominent representatives seem to have remained from the time of Nicholas I or Muravyov-Vilensky.


                        The Poles seem to be the first to invent an alternative history - for example, the "heroic pictures" of the scoundrel matejko (In principle, I don’t write the names of scoundrels with a capital letter).
                        Even bathory, judging by them, he defeated the Pskovites in 1581, although he was kicked out.
                        From the wiki ": In fact, peace negotiations did not take place under the walls of Pskov and Batory did not conduct these negotiations personally. Matejko brought together the disparate facts and put them into one picture.
                        The rest of the decoration of the picture, apparently, was also invented ...


                        Polish ambition is the worst enemy of the Poles themselves. I honestly do not care about their moaning. The Germans - and they were more grateful.
                      3. Undecim
                        Undecim 29 December 2021 23: 32
                        +5
                        The Poles seem to be the first to invent an alternative history - for example, the "heroic pictures" of the scoundrel Matejko

                        "Obraz Matejki przedstawia fikcyjną scenę" (Matejko's painting depicts a fictional scene). This is from the Polish description of the painting.
                      4. Liam
                        Liam 29 December 2021 23: 42
                        +2
                        Phobias are bad because they dull the mind
                      5. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 December 2021 08: 21
                        0
                        The question arises - how is this picture presented in Polish school textbooks?
                        With a similar postscript or ...?
                        The question is simply "rhetorical".
                      6. Undecim
                        Undecim 30 December 2021 10: 06
                        +2
                        The question arises

                        Yes, there is no question. And this picture is not in the textbooks. And the phrase is taken from the Polish Wikipedia.
                        Correctly, the comrade above wrote:
                        Phobias are bad because they dull the mind
                      7. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 December 2021 10: 26
                        +1
                        Everything can be.
                        So I will look for something with which I could "undermine" my mind.
                  2. Pane Kohanku
                    Pane Kohanku 29 December 2021 23: 02
                    +4
                    Do laudatory pictures are painted for bitter spirits?

                    Hello, hello! drinks If there is a photo of this miniature, lay it out, be weasel! hi Interesting to see ...
                    1. Undecim
                      Undecim 29 December 2021 23: 20
                      +3
                      Interesting to see ...

                      1. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 29 December 2021 23: 44
                        +2
                        Interesting to see ...

                        The feeling that the figure of our fighter was taken from some set of "Stars".




                        Viktor Nikolaevich, did you not pay attention to the gross mistake of our clear-headed offenders?



                        Where did the Red Army man get the windings with the shoes? This is an ersatz-form of the end of 41, then 42 years. The boots were more expensive.
                        Why did the arrogant do so? negative
                      2. Liam
                        Liam 29 December 2021 23: 50
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Where did the Red Army man get the windings with the shoes? This is the ersatz form of the end of 41, then 42

                        BOOTS (half boots):
                        Army ankle boots - (description from the order of the NKO of the USSR in 1936, No. 229) lace-up Derby style boots of mechanical production with a screw or wood-stud fastening of the bottom and an outer sole. Top - vamp (front) made of barnyard leather; ankle boots and a dull valve - from barn or horse leather. Bottom - sole and outsole made of leather or leatherette (plastic leather, rubber); leather back; leather heel with metal horseshoe; heel made of leather or plastic leather. Leather soles are reinforced with metal reinforcements.

                        6,7 or 8 eyelets in a row on each side.

                        WINDINGS:
                        Knitted windings worked on Fang machines and Raschel machines from harsh cotton yarn and dyed black. Each piece from one end is hemmed with tape, the other end is sewn, then the formed corner is trimmed along the edges and the tape is attached across the winding simultaneously with the seam.

                        Dimensions of windings in finished form: Length - 250 cm, Width - 10 cm, Braid length - 70 cm - From the description approved by the briginer A.O. Bykov on August 20, 1940.
                      3. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 30 December 2021 00: 02
                        +5
                        Victor, welcome!
                        Phobias are bad because they dull the mind

                        No phobias. There are historical facts. And there is my country in which I live.
                        From the description approved by the briginer A.O. Bykov on August 20, 1940.

                        Look. There is a huge difference between what is approved and required, and what is issued. I don’t know how in Italy, over the years of my service I received more ties than socks. laughing
                        The boots were fastened. But they flicker, mainly, in the photo of the 42nd year. It was necessary to dress a huge army, opposing a set of "best armies in Europe", and the boots were clearly cheaper. At 43-45 I don't remember the photo with boots - everyone is in boots.
                        Something like this! request
                      4. bubalik
                        bubalik 30 December 2021 00: 07
                        +5
                        the boots were clearly cheaper. At 43-45 I don't remember the photo with boots - everyone is in boots

                        "The eye is getting blurry," I recently noticed a lot of our soldiers in coils in photos 44-45, I hadn't paid such attention before.
                      5. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 30 December 2021 00: 12
                        +4
                        "The eye is getting blurry," I recently noticed a lot of our soldiers in coils in photos 44-45, I hadn't paid such attention before.

                        I give up. So I didn't notice. The same answer is given to Viktor Nikolaevich below. Samurai screwed up again ... recourse
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                      7. Liam
                        Liam 30 December 2021 00: 20
                        +5
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        welcome

                        Hi!
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        And there is my country in which I live.

                        In order to love your country, you do not have to hate other countries and peoples. Believe that from the side of Poland-phobia, it looks no better than Ukrainian-phobia and that the site is literally saturated with other things.

                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        There is a huge difference from what is approved

                        You can't argue against the facts. Millions of Red Army soldiers were shod in boots with windings long before the age of 41.
                        Here is a good book on the topic
                        [Center[/ Center]

                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        At 43-45 I don't remember the photo with boots - everyone is in boots.

                        On the contrary, in 43-45 the percentage of soldiers wearing boots increased. About 10 million pairs were received under the Lend Lease.
                        hi
                      8. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 30 December 2021 00: 24
                        +4
                        To love your country, you do not have to hate other countries and peoples.

                        You know, there were many Poles in Zakynthos in 2019. And they chatted pleasantly.
                        There is no hatred. But the story is such a story, Victor.
                      9. Liam
                        Liam 30 December 2021 00: 35
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        history is such a story

                        History says that over the past 150 years, Poland was pulled into pieces 4 times and all 4 times Russia took part in this in different forms. Russian troops drowned in blood Polish uprisings 3 times in the 18-19 centuries. With the destruction of tens and hundreds of thousands of civilians in In the 20th century, the RSFSR / USSR twice attacked Poland - in the 20th and 39th. The second time, in conspiracy with Hitler, with a treacherous stab in the back and so dying in the battle with the Wehrmacht, the country After which hundreds of thousands were deported and shot there are tens of thousands of people in the ditches.
                        This is also a story ...
                        Each country has its own skeletons in the closets.
                        Therefore, it is better to treat history as such and not translate it into personal emotions. Emotions can be experienced only for individuals and not for countries or peoples.
                      10. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 30 December 2021 00: 50
                        +5
                        Each country has its own skeletons in the closets.

                        Naturally. And Poland has a huge number of these skeletons.
                        Therefore, it is better to treat history as such and not translate it into personal emotions. Emotions can be experienced only for individuals and not for countries or peoples.

                        Victor, you and I are two enthusiastic philanthropists. But, unfortunately, in relations between politicians and nations (80%, as Pareto bequeathed), "Hottentot morality" operates. If I stole a goat from a neighbor and raped his wife, that's good, if he did something like that, that's bad.
                        Now it is called the big word "geopolitics".
                        But I live in Russia! And I don't give a damn about the efforts of the European Union. I have my own memory.
                        And there is no hatred, no. With foreigners we met at home and abroad, we chatted sweetly, like best friends ...
                      11. Liam
                        Liam 30 December 2021 01: 11
                        +4
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        two enthusiastic philanthropists.

                        It is definitely hard to suspect me of general philanthropy)
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        80% as Pareto bequeathed

                        The main site-based apologist for this formula, Shpakovsky, with his characteristic cynicism, perverted its essence to the point of disgrace in the heat of site disputes. It is by no means as universal as he presupposes)
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Now it is called the big word "geopolitics".

                        It has become very fashionable to cover up with loud words such as geopolitics, patriotism, etc., whose things are ashamed to call them by their real names.
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        But I live in Russia! And I don't give a damn about the efforts of the European Union

                        By the way ... the European Union is an excellent example of how, in a negligible period of time, in a matter of decades, countries reconciled that hated each other for centuries, whose historical memory was eternal and historical grievances were eternal. Tell the German guy now that he would go to kill his peer Frenchman so that Strasbourg became a German city ... and together they will call a psychiatric hospital predicting such. And their ancestors killed each other by the millions for half a millennium for Alsace and Lorraine. And their list of mutual historical claims is longer than Russian / Polish.
                        The only battles between them now take place on the football fields)
                      12. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 December 2021 08: 12
                        -1
                        Modern citizens of France and Germany do not have "genetic mourning" for Alsace and Lorraine!
                        They have different "Gennes" ...
                      13. Liam
                        Liam 30 December 2021 10: 26
                        +4
                        Quote: hohol95
                        Modern citizens of France and Germany do not have "genetic mourning" for Alsace and Lorraine!
                        They have different "Gennes" ...

                        The example of the EU suggests that there are no historical genes. And mutual hatred is always the product of propaganda and a deliberate policy aimed at precisely this. Being determines consciousness so say
                      14. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 December 2021 11: 22
                        0
                        EU example to other science ...
                        A controversial statement, but there is no desire to argue.
                        Usually "Europa" united for the campaign "Into the depths of Siberian ores ..."!
                        But the current "Europa" is unlikely to dare to do this!
                        Let them "boil in their cauldron" and "do not spit in our well"!
                      15. hohol95
                        hohol95 30 December 2021 08: 17
                        0
                        So only Russia is to blame for the problems of the "noble" lords?
                        And they didn't create problems for themselves?
                        And in 1920 the Polish army did not "settle down" in Kiev ???
                        Who called them to Kiev?
                        Pans "fluffy" - Russian "monsters"!
                        Based on your words, I draw the following conclusion!
                      16. Liam
                        Liam 29 December 2021 23: 56
                        +3
                        Quote: Pane Kohanku
                        Why did the arrogant do so?

                      17. Undecim
                        Undecim 29 December 2021 23: 59
                        +5
                        Drew. Not mistaken.

                        Poland. The year is 1939. In the photo, the soldiers of the Red Army, which are drawn by a German non-commissioned officer.
                      18. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 30 December 2021 00: 05
                        +3
                        Poland. The year is 1939. In the photo, the soldiers of the Red Army, which are drawn by a German non-commissioned officer.

                        The question is cleared. These two comrades may have been called upon to mobilize. Mobilization began in September. Those mobilized who were in the Northwest took part in the Soviet-Finnish war.
                      19. Undecim
                        Undecim 30 December 2021 00: 08
                        +5
                        My grandfather Finnish went from call to call. In the windings.
                      20. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 30 December 2021 00: 12
                        +4
                        I give up. So I didn't notice. Samurai screwed up again ... recourse
                      21. Undecim
                        Undecim 30 December 2021 00: 21
                        +5
                        Socrates found his own way of comprehending the truth. He rejected the statement that truth is born in a dispute and opposed the dispute with dialogue. What is at the heart of the dispute? An attempt to prove to the opponent that he is right. But the knowledge of a person is imperfect, which means that righteousness is a relative concept. If you consider yourself more knowledgeable of your opponent, then it is your duty to help him get closer to the truth. You must take his position and go along with him all this thorny path. Socrates entered into conversations with ordinary people and discussed the problems that concern them. This allowed him to enrich himself with the knowledge of his interlocutor and solve complex problems without antagonism and hatred. Dialogue, not an argument, a conversation with a person and not with a crowd - this is the secret of Socrates. "
                      22. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 30 December 2021 00: 26
                        +5
                        Dialogue, not an argument, a conversation with a person and not with a crowd - this is the secret of Socrates. "

                        I only agree with you since the end of 2016, Messire! bully You press like an experienced seducer - there is simply no strength to resist! laughing drinks
                      23. Undecim
                        Undecim 30 December 2021 00: 34
                        +4
                        By the way, I copied the quote from your fellow countryman, Andrey Padchin.
                      24. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 30 December 2021 00: 37
                        +3
                        By the way, I copied the quote from your fellow countryman, Andrey Padchin.

                        I do not know him. I do not know Andrei Padchin, but only Anton Bazhin (3x3zsave). Which I am glad. good
                        For rent suuuu! fellow drinks
                      25. Undecim
                        Undecim 30 December 2021 00: 44
                        +2
                        And I do not know, but he thinks correctly. Yet Yeltsin was right.
                      26. Pane Kohanku
                        Pane Kohanku 30 December 2021 00: 52
                        +4
                        Yet Yeltsin was right.

                        We cursed him for a long time.
                      27. Undecim
                        Undecim 30 December 2021 00: 58
                        +4
                        Oh, here's a topic for another discussion. "Demonization of the Historical Image". We need to give Shpakovsky an idea.
                    2. hohol95
                      hohol95 30 December 2021 08: 05
                      +2
                      Good morning! hi
                      warspot.ru.
                      "Horse Attacks of the September Campaign".
                      And read the comments on the article ... good
  15. CHEREDA73
    CHEREDA73 29 December 2021 12: 57
    +2
    I read all the comments from the bottom up and finally understood why such a topic. New Year is just around the corner!
    Well, someone will have a rest, and someone will work ...
    It's very strange to see cons on such a topic ...
    Corrected a little due to my rank yes
    1. kalibr
      29 December 2021 13: 05
      -1
      Quote: CHEREDA73
      Corrected a little due to my rank

      Thanks! But you can't fix fools!
    2. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 29 December 2021 13: 12
      +3
      Hello, Eugene!
      I go out to work on the 3rd
      1. CHEREDA73
        CHEREDA73 29 December 2021 13: 22
        +6
        You are lucky!
        I'm from 31 to 1 at night.
        1. 3x3zsave
          3x3zsave 29 December 2021 13: 25
          +4
          Oh, this is the dream of the last few years - to work on New Year's Eve!
          1. kalibr
            29 December 2021 15: 57
            +4
            Quote: 3x3zsave
            work on New Year's Eve!

            Once he was on duty on New Year's Eve in a student hostel. An unforgettable experience!
            1. 3x3zsave
              3x3zsave 29 December 2021 16: 02
              +8
              "Oh, what a huge house - this is my lot.
              I go to him with a bag - Santa Claus is unhappy.
              I have a red nose, a cotton beard -
              I guys are Santa Claus, hired for a fee.

              At home my wife is waiting for me, the children are crying at home,
              How I wanted to celebrate the New Year with them!
              Yes, only so decided by the local - Peter Wagtail.
              And now I go with a bag - I have a load.

              Here is an apartment number of times and a call without a label -
              Hello! I came before you, where are your kids?
              What is it - no children ?! What are you doing, right?
              Well, sign as soon as possible, but not here, but on the right.

              Is there something in my pocket? Money, no? What are you!
              Vodka? No, guys, I don't drink, I can't stand alcohol.
              Why not native? We are all just people ...
              Well, let's one at a time, well, for the holiday, we will!

              Here is apartment number two. Hello kids!
              Santa Claus came to you - sign in the book
              Get Baba Yaga for your girlfriend
              No, I can't have a dog, but I can have two guns.

              What are they putting in my pocket? One hundred rubles? Let's!
              Vodka? No, guys, I don't drink ...
              Anyway, to hell with her, pour!
              This is apartment number three. How not to fall?
              Open, I say, Grandfather Insanity is knocking!

              Lively call the children here! You have a sole
              And drive five hundred rubles! Pour the vodka!
              Give me something to eat, just as soon as possible!
              Yes, let me sit down at the table! Fu - only Jews!

              Here is the apartment number of the firm! Open quickly!
              I, guys, Moidodyr to you from the team!
              What are you hiding, baby? Give me a way!
              Stop, dad, where you are! Oh yes there are a lot of you here ...

              The bridge of the nose hurts, and it swells under the eye ...
              Who am I? - Goblin, Aibolit? Where am I lying? - On the kitchen?!
              And let's not threaten, let’s be silent even once ...
              Hello Dedushka Moroz! Bring a bowl ... "(c)
              1. Senior seaman
                Senior seaman 29 December 2021 17: 00
                +6
                Bravo!
                Three stages of relationship with Santa Claus.
                1) Believes in Santa Claus.
                2) Doesn't believe in Santa Claus.
                3) He himself became Santa Claus for his children!
                1. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 29 December 2021 17: 08
                  +4
                  Thank you Ivan!
                  The first time I heard this song 35 years ago, from my history teacher. It is clear that other amounts appeared there. smile
                2. 3x3zsave
                  3x3zsave 29 December 2021 17: 17
                  +5
                  2) Doesn't believe in Santa Claus.
                  I came to the second stage on New Year 1982, under the tree there was a KAMAZ model and 1/72
              2. kalibr
                29 December 2021 18: 11
                +2
                Ay, yes Anton! Well I found it!
          2. The leader of the Redskins
            The leader of the Redskins 30 December 2021 10: 37
            +1
            I had a period - for five years I met New Year's Eve only with my mother. It’s just that my father was a machinist, and there they’re like - "sick" young people will buy at exorbitant prices for the New Year holidays, and they themselves will go for a walk to the Christmas tree. And who went to the line? "Old men" are trouble-free, persistent, like tin soldiers)))
    3. astra wild2
      astra wild2 29 December 2021 18: 23
      +3
      "cons on such a topic", probably, the minus player forgot his childhood?
      1. 3x3zsave
        3x3zsave 29 December 2021 18: 36
        +1
        "Wild people, children of the mountains" (C)
  16. LisKat2
    LisKat2 29 December 2021 17: 37
    +1
    I perceive such toys as a miniature of the era of that time. Muzhev comrade, served in Murmansk, is now interested in the history of the fleet. He would be interested in such models of ships.
    1. 3x3zsave
      3x3zsave 29 December 2021 18: 53
      0
      Dear Katya! Could you use the qwerty keyboard of your gadget less diligently, paying attention to the spelling and punctuation of the Russian language?
  17. LisKat2
    LisKat2 29 December 2021 18: 10
    0
    It's good with you, but I have to go. I'm getting it for my husband.
    1. kalibr
      29 December 2021 19: 13
      +1
      For the husband, you first need a salad of fresh herbs. It is healthy and takes up a lot of space in the stomach, and always with olive oil. Then cereals: buckwheat, peas, lentils, chickpeas, couscous - with sauce, and only at the very end - a thin sandwich with ham or boiled meat. Grate the bread with garlic. At night, do not give coffee or tea, but drink clean water.
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 29 December 2021 21: 28
      +2
      Quote: LisKat2
      I'm getting it for my husband.

      And after what Shpakovsky advised, slip an onion with salt, and a bowl of parsley.