A few words about the idols of modern youth

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A few words about the idols of modern youth

When politicians and political scientists talk about the stage and the so-called modern stars, the question arises: why all of a sudden? The options are different, but one way or another they all relate to what is generally happening in the world of show business and how expensive this business is, leading the notorious masses.

On the one hand, young people are dear to us everywhere; stage, cinema, television need "new blood", new names. But for some reason, more and more often these very new names bring in outright vulgarity, rudeness, ignorance. They say what we are, such is the culture. They say that if there is demand, then there will be supply.



It turns out that it is we, our society, who ourselves demand masculine girls or pomaded like guys with a vague orientation? Or is it not quite so? Or not at all? Or earlier, when Tsoi, Kinchev, Vysotsky, Voznesensky, it was completely different.

You can talk about retrograde, about what at one time and Mozart was perceived as an upstart. But when in prime time you switch between several federal channels, then for some reason it is more and more likely to stumble upon something that looks oh-oh-oh, but at the same time this oh-oh-oh is frankly promoted as a role model for modern youth. Is this a reason to think about what our youth will eventually become, if the example to follow is degeneration, total inadequacy, ignorance and antics? Certainly a reason. But how to get out of this situation? Or give complete freedom, and expect that the grains from the chaff will separate by themselves?

A plot on the topic from Alexey Pushkov on his YouTube channel:

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  1. +4
    20 December 2021 17: 06
    The degeneration of the great Russian culture has been going on for 30 years, and the degradation of national culture is the degradation of the nation! And again, the Anglo-Saxons are to blame for everything, who have long crossed the Rubicon of their national degeneration and flooded the world with their excrement ... freedom ". That is, an animal, the freest creature, and soon a considerable number of Englishmen will become animals! Here we have the animal Morgenstern, for some reason it is broadcast on all channels, but, for example, Lemeshev's performance, even on "Culture" in the afternoon with fire will not hear!
    1. +10
      20 December 2021 17: 15
      So I say that our main enemy is corruption, show business and Russian football ...!
    2. +1
      20 December 2021 17: 31
      I would like to collect all our so-called show business in London and cover them with Sarmat and my most cherished dream would come true!
      1. +2
        20 December 2021 17: 42
        Apart from London, Sarmat will cover a lot of things. Maybe good people. wink
        1. -10
          20 December 2021 17: 46
          Maybe it is, of course, but I personally doubt that there are good people in Britain.
        2. +6
          20 December 2021 17: 57
          There's Abbey Road ... The studio is so ...
    3. +11
      20 December 2021 17: 57
      As per Brzezinski's manual)
      To defeat the enemy, it is not necessary to fight with him with tanks and missiles, it is enough to educate him a generation of moral monsters)
      Fortunately, I see from young people that all this "shocking" does not really catch her, despite the active propaganda in the media and the Internet)
      So you should always pay attention of your children and their social circle to the "healthy and high-quality" alternative in cinema, music, etc.)
    4. +8
      20 December 2021 18: 08
      Quote: Finches
      Here we have the animal Morgenstern, for some reason it is broadcast on all channels, but, for example, Lemeshev's performance, even on "Culture" in the afternoon with fire will not hear!

      This is the case when I fully agree with you. hi
      Quote: Finches
      And again, the Anglo-Saxons are to blame for everything,

      But I cannot agree with this. The Naglo-Saxons are only a generator, and the conductors of this ..., they are here, in Russia. And for me, so let them generate, if only they don't get to us. Therefore, the conductors must be crushed in time, like bugs, like a typhoid louse. am
    5. +8
      20 December 2021 19: 34
      The degeneration of the great Russian culture has been going on for 30 years, and the degradation of national culture is the degradation of the nation!

      And the reason is the lack of ideology and a national goal.
      1. +11
        20 December 2021 21: 17
        Quote: Military77
        And the reason is the lack of ideology and a national goal.

        "Without a theory, we are death, death!" I.V. Stalin.
        A person is capable of many things: to overcome, endure, master, invent and do, if there is a great idea before his eyes. And without her, everything slips into the banal feeling of profit and gluttony, somewhere to idleness, and somewhere to despair ...
      2. +3
        21 December 2021 15: 06
        Why is that? It is) And capitalism is called, but only not in the form of fair competition, but in the plundering of the people and the country)
    6. +7
      21 December 2021 01: 42
      I'm on the internet on this topic came across an idea. They listen to Morgenster. And we are Gaza Strip and Red Mold and why are they better?)))
      1. +4
        21 December 2021 04: 25
        Rather than we are better?
        1. +3
          21 December 2021 04: 55
          They are the performers. But yes. Are we better?)
  2. +8
    20 December 2021 17: 09
    Well, young people in Russia are different and their idols are different. It all depends on the social circle. For those who are not far away, for those yes, all sorts of "coins" in their heads, for those who are hung up in games, they have their own "idols", for those who already want to earn money from their youth, those who are idols are bloggers and youtubers who have risen. Well, the property qualification plays a role. Someone has an idol for Musk.
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    2. +2
      20 December 2021 19: 43
      "Everyone chooses for himself"
      For example, I like the singing of this girl.

      1. +2
        20 December 2021 21: 29
        For example, I like the singing of this girl.

        The little man has a difficult fate, but a huge talent. God grant that this talent and those around her will help her in life ...
  3. +11
    20 December 2021 17: 11
    The system for fooling young people is working ... And I think the goals of this system are perfectly clear to everyone ....... But nobody wants to do anything .... Money is everything ......... hi
    1. -11
      20 December 2021 17: 37
      "The system for fooling young people is working ... And I think the goals of this system are perfectly clear to everyone ....... But nobody wants to do anything .... Money is everything ......... "


      I beg of you )))
      Here's a recent example from the USA:

      Parents of children attending a school in California were shocked when several of the school's teachers were recorded with instructions (conducted among other teachers) on how best and cleverly to hide from parents the true nature of the sodomite clubs and circles created among students of this school. Parents, having listened to these instructions, fell into a sludge and a whole crowd (150 people) came to the school principal with claims about the complete inadmissibility of what they had heard.

      )))
      1. +4
        21 December 2021 10: 37
        I beg of you )))
        Here's a recent example from the USA:

        Weaklings. Ours are cooler)) laughing

        A seventh-grader from Chekhov, near Moscow, wrote in an essay on the topic "Your Professional Career" that he dreams of becoming a hitman. According to Mash, teachers were shocked, to put it mildly, by the 13-year-old's revelations.
        According to the telegram channel, in the essay the student described the details of the "dream job". In particular, he described in detail how he plans to buy weapons, change his appearance and hide from law enforcement officers. If future activity turns out to be revealed, then there is always the opportunity to initiate his own death, the teenager is convinced. The boy admitted that he considers the work of a hired killer to be an excellent way of earning money, and his victims will be collectors and "bad people." He did not specify whom the student attaches to the last category.
        1. 0
          21 December 2021 15: 09
          But ours are more well-read and more resourceful)
        2. Aag
          +2
          21 December 2021 21: 28
          Quote: Arzt
          I beg of you )))
          Here's a recent example from the USA:

          Weaklings. Ours are cooler)) laughing

          A seventh-grader from Chekhov, near Moscow, wrote in an essay on the topic "Your Professional Career" that he dreams of becoming a hitman. According to Mash, teachers were shocked, to put it mildly, by the 13-year-old's revelations.
          According to the telegram channel, in the essay the student described the details of the "dream job". In particular, he described in detail how he plans to buy weapons, change his appearance and hide from law enforcement officers. If future activity turns out to be revealed, then there is always the opportunity to initiate his own death, the teenager is convinced. The boy admitted that he considers the work of a hired killer to be an excellent way of earning money, and his victims will be collectors and "bad people." He did not specify whom the student attaches to the last category.

          Hmm ... Without going into other aspects of the issue, it is worth giving to the teachers of this educational institution for being able to arouse such a degree of student confidence ... Unless, of course, he is a complete scumbag, and not a troll ...
          1. +2
            21 December 2021 21: 45
            Unless, of course, he is a complete scumbag, and not a troll ...

            Hike, I decided in advance to cut the army. laughing
            1. Aag
              0
              21 December 2021 21: 53
              Quote: Arzt
              Unless, of course, he is a complete scumbag, and not a troll ...

              Hike, I decided in advance to cut the army. laughing

              Nope! I do not argue at all, our young people are growing up enterprising ...
              Only ... - often, unprincipled and selfish. And, this is already a question for us, - for, these are OUR children! (Even taking into account the fact that, in addition to, instead of us, the uncles worked on them because of the Ocean))) ((((...
              1. +1
                22 December 2021 17: 30
                Quote: AAG
                uncles worked because of the Ocean))) ((((...

                What kind of country are we, very independent, that everything is organized and decided by our uncles because of the Ocean? We don't know how to do anything ourselves, we don't want to, we are not responsible for anything ?! winked
    2. +2
      21 December 2021 16: 26
      There is a system for fooling youth ...

      They put the cart in front of the horse. We are all born ready-made "idiots". And we will remain them if we do nothing. Upbringing makes us human. And this is an extra expense. And what is needed is not expenses, but income. To push and take money, and not educate, spending money. They just spat on it and spend money - this is the result.
  4. -5
    20 December 2021 17: 11
    Fathers and children ... Everything goes in a circle from generation to generation) What I know for sure to my daughters the phrase, but in our time I will never say)
    1. +9
      20 December 2021 17: 22
      Quote: carstorm 11
      What I know for sure to my daughters the phrase, but in our time I will never say)

      Why? The music is better now, is there more moral or sense in the films? Were people just as indifferent before?
      Sometimes it seems to me that you live in some kind of your own little world.
      1. -7
        20 December 2021 18: 02
        No and no) But the whole point is that my parents said the same words about what I listened to and watched) And I completely agree about the world) It definitely cannot intersect with yours) So there is zero in common except for common things. Ordinary situation.
        1. +16
          20 December 2021 18: 11
          Quote: carstorm 11
          No and no)

          You are mistaken, or out of stubbornness you do not want to admit the obvious things. The regression of culture is obvious. In cinema, special effects and vulgarity rule the ball. There is nothing to watch. Or do you want to compare the "masterpieces" of recent years with films 20-50 years ago?
          The music should contain the meaning of words, music, voice. At least one thing. Nowadays it is very rare, unlike the music of the 70s, 80s. Morality among young people at the level of the animal world. All this is obvious.
          1. -21
            20 December 2021 18: 18
            No, this is generally an agreement with you) Music is better now, films have more moral or meaning. And I know music and cinema 70-80 very badly. I will be 40 and not under 60)))
            1. +1
              21 December 2021 00: 16
              Quote: carstorm 11
              No, this is generally an agreement with you) Music is better now, films have more moral or meaning. And I know music and cinema 70-80 very badly. I will be 40 and not under 60)))

              LOL what? Now there is not a single normal movie, and not a single normal song.
              1. -6
                21 December 2021 01: 40
                My haste) Plus people climb the conversation) The man asked -Music is better now, in films there is more morality, or meaning? ... My answer was no and no)
          2. +3
            21 December 2021 10: 23
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            The music should contain the meaning of words, music, voice. At least one thing. Nowadays it is very rare, unlike the music of the 70s, 80s. Morality among young people at the level of the animal world. All this is obvious.

            Almost with the same words they kicked the authors of "Lilies of the Valley" - who "... Hello May ..."
            For lack of ideology, lack of spirituality and formalism in the 1960s
            And a little earlier we kicked jazz ..
            And a little earlier they kicked tango - for debauchery
            A very long time ago, a waltz ... also like a depraved dance

            "Tender May" kicked? Kicked!
            "Modern talking" - although no one really understood what they were singing about - kicked? Kicked! For lack of spirituality belay

            The old people always grumbled about the youth - and the youth behaved in spite of themselves ...
            I put a bucket in the bottom of my father's bells of the times of fashion for them .... 15 liter !!!!!!!
            My father said they were chasing after them, but the fashion is ...
            1. +3
              21 December 2021 11: 16
              Don't you see degradation?
              1. +5
                21 December 2021 13: 43
                Quote: Ingvar 72
                Don't you see degradation?

                By and large - no, I see the husk - for several years and it will crumble ...
                Another will come ... and it will crumble
                And then the current 15-year-olds will grumble - "Some kind of demonic behavior ... Nowadays Morgenstern and Buzova - yes, those eagles ... and the current ones - ugh, God forgive me !!!"

                How many people were trampled in 1960 - for indulging the public, for voicelessness and? They were listened to - because in spite of !!!
                Have you degraded because you listened to Obodzinsky? I deeply doubt it !! And how they branded him for pernicious influence, how they found fault with the text ...
                Did the Beatles influence you badly? Or Scorpions? Or the unfortunate Genghis Khan with his "Rasputin"?
                Or could the blue Freddie Mercury incline you to the blue ???
                No..
                And not at all because 1 secretary of the regional committee of the Komsomol spoke "about their pernicious influence on our Soviet youth"
                1. Aag
                  0
                  21 December 2021 22: 05
                  Quote: your1970
                  Quote: Ingvar 72
                  Don't you see degradation?

                  By and large - no, I see the husk - for several years and it will crumble ...
                  Another will come ... and it will crumble
                  And then the current 15-year-olds will grumble - "Some kind of demonic behavior ... Nowadays Morgenstern and Buzova - yes, those eagles ... and the current ones - ugh, God forgive me !!!"

                  How many people were trampled in 1960 - for indulging the public, for voicelessness and? They were listened to - because in spite of !!!
                  Have you degraded because you listened to Obodzinsky? I deeply doubt it !! And how they branded him for pernicious influence, how they found fault with the text ...
                  Did the Beatles influence you badly? Or Scorpions? Or the unfortunate Genghis Khan with his "Rasputin"?
                  Or could the blue Freddie Mercury incline you to the blue ???
                  No..
                  And not at all because 1 secretary of the regional committee of the Komsomol spoke "about their pernicious influence on our Soviet youth"

                  Well said ... Much of what I would like to write ...
                  Only this: ... "You degraded - because you listened to Obodzinsky? ..." in what? hi
                  1. +1
                    21 December 2021 22: 31
                    Quote: AAG
                    No offense, - really, - did not understand, - degradation in what?

                    You inattentively read the post feel
                    Quote: your1970
                    You degraded - because you listened to Obodzinsky? I doubt it deeply!!


                    Naturally, there was no degradation of Niki ...
                    1. Aag
                      -2
                      21 December 2021 23: 26
                      Quote: your1970
                      Quote: AAG
                      No offense, - really, - did not understand, - degradation in what?

                      You inattentively read the post feel
                      Quote: your1970
                      You degraded - because you listened to Obodzinsky? I doubt it deeply!!


                      Naturally, there was no degradation of Niki ...

                      hi
                      But I would put a hyphen.))) drinks
                    2. Aag
                      0
                      21 December 2021 23: 28
                      ... And the truth is - yours! good
            2. +1
              23 December 2021 08: 39
              "Tender May" kicked? Kicked!
              ... I didn't go right away, because I was young, and I still can't listen ...
              1. 0
                23 December 2021 11: 22
                Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                "Tender May" kicked? Kicked!
                ... I didn't go right away, because I was young, and I still can't listen ...

                To your taste ... go to any pub - when there is a wedding or an anniversary, it will definitely be, after a certain degree. And Mirage ...
                1. +2
                  23 December 2021 12: 39
                  This is your taste, in every tavern at weddings listen, Mirage and Tender May. laughing
                  1. +1
                    23 December 2021 13: 51
                    Quote: Daniil Konovalenko
                    This is your taste
                    why do you think so??
                    I just gave an example of what and then и now listen en masse ...
          3. 0
            22 December 2021 06: 16
            After the kin of 30 years ago, inter girls, many schoolgirls began to dream of becoming prostitutes. Actually, many have become. So everything is not so simple here. I hate this slut actress.
            1. 0
              23 December 2021 11: 24
              Quote: Free Wind
              many schoolgirls began to dream of becoming prostitutes. Actually, many have become. So everything is not so simple here.

              Well, then the 90s overlapped - with the poverty of the bulk
          4. 0
            22 December 2021 17: 37
            Quote: Ingvar 72
            20-50 years ago?

            Are you wrong in the numbers? if not, what are some good films or a film from 20 years ago?
            1. +2
              22 December 2021 17: 41
              Quote: victor50
              Are you wrong in the numbers?

              No. I meant not only domestic films. hi
        2. Aag
          +1
          21 December 2021 21: 47
          Quote: carstorm 11
          No and no) But the whole point is that my parents said the same words about what I listened to and watched) And I completely agree about the world) It definitely cannot intersect with yours) So there is zero in common except for common things. Ordinary situation.

          ... A rare case (not the first, - when I agree with your opinion, - plus, sometimes (!), Solely because of the downsides of yours).
          ... We reread "Fathers and Sons" ...
          Yes, it has always been that way.
          But! I cannot but agree with your opponents, - now IT has taken, to put it mildly, - edifying, more specifically, instructive, binding character!
          Well, the truth is, - before turning on even the central TV channels in the presence of a child, you need to familiarize yourself with the broadcasting network (which does not guarantee the harmlessness of the broadcast) ...
          ... And then how to adapt the child to the truth of life ?!
          The credits are especially "touching": "scenes of smoking can be shown" ...
          Brains on the wall, drugs, violence in various forms do not fall under the Law ...
    2. +7
      20 December 2021 17: 33
      "Fathers and children ... Everything goes in a circle from generation to generation) What I know for sure to my daughters the phrase, but in our time I will never say)"

      Nonsense. History goes in a spiral, and the Chinese have very accurately described the cycle of this spiral in their saying:
      Tough times give birth to strong people.
      Strong people create good times.
      Good times breed weak people.
      Weak people create hard times.

      Now is the time of birth of weak people, so we are right here, in this part of the cycle)))
      1. -7
        20 December 2021 18: 04
        May be. Rather, it is even so) I was not going to argue on this topic) I just noted for myself once again the fact that I myself heard this in my youth in my direction)
      2. +9
        20 December 2021 19: 23
        Quote: lucul
        Tough times give birth to strong people.
        Strong people create good times.
        Good times breed weak people.
        Weak people create hard times.

        Even in Africa, this system does not work ... There are simply always hard times. Except South Africa, and even then - not for long.
        1. -4
          21 December 2021 00: 17
          Because they are being robbed. And they will rob. All the success of Western civilization is a banal robbery.
          1. +4
            21 December 2021 17: 31
            Quote: Usher
            All the success of Western civilization is a banal robbery.

            Western scientists also stole inventions and scientific discoveries? And the hard work of the Germans is the talk of the town.
            1. 0
              22 December 2021 21: 58
              What does invention and science have to do with it? I'm talking about Thomas, you're straight to Yarem. It's about economics and robbery. The hard work of the Germans is a myth. The same as the hard work of the Japanese and Chinese. I work with the Chinese, they are not a fig more industrious than the Russians. It depends specifically on the motivation and the person.
              1. +1
                22 December 2021 22: 59
                Quote: Usher
                What does invention and science have to do with it?

                Despite the fact that the success of Western civilization also comes from developed science.
                Quote: Usher
                The hard work of the Germans is a myth. The same as the hard work of the Japanese and Chinese.

                Why then do they have developed economies? Okay, Germans. Let's say, in your opinion, they rob (I wonder who?). But the Japanese are also robbers or what?
    3. 0
      22 December 2021 17: 34
      Quote: carstorm 11
      What I know for sure to my daughters the phrase, but in our time I will never say)

      And if they ask: "How was it?"
      Show this your comment. smile
  5. +2
    20 December 2021 17: 13
    So whoever, and this garbage dump called Russian show business you want to cover with a copper basin, and even better to collect them all in England and cover with Sormat! And all over the world there will be peace and grace, and all rear-wheel drive people will immediately remember why they need a fifth point!
  6. +4
    20 December 2021 17: 16
    Such as Vysotsky or Tsoi are born once every hundred years. When Vysotsky left, I was still little, but I found Tsoi, listened alive. Now and no one is close to them. And young people are also different, they listen to the same Tsoi, I have seen it more than once.
    1. +8
      20 December 2021 17: 40
      Quote: BIABIA
      Now and no one is close to them.

      Yes, but they are not allowed close to show business. Listen to Rasteryaev, from the rock Luna.
      And the authorities are promoting the likes of Yurkis.
      1. +5
        20 December 2021 18: 20
        Quote: Ingvar 72
        Listen to Rasteryaev, from the rock Luna

    2. +15
      20 December 2021 17: 41
      Vysotsky is a Poet with a capital letter, relevant at all times, but Tsoi, with all my respect, grew up on it himself, it's just a mouthpiece for that not calm time. "We are waiting for change" is a hit of that time, well, now we are a full bucket and scoop up shit as a consequence of the very changes that we so wanted.
      To know then what all these changes will lead to ...
      1. +4
        20 December 2021 17: 56
        Quote: Kayala
        Vysotsky is a poet with a capital letter, relevant at all times

        You somehow one-sidedly evaluate the Poet.
        Be bold and appreciate it from all sides.
        1. +4
          20 December 2021 18: 46
          What are you asking ridiculous questions? It is said briefly, clearly and intelligibly. And, do not add, and do not subtract. There were, are and will be poets-hack, opportunists, snatchers and mediocrities. Although, frankly, I'm not good at poetry, but people say so. I believe them.
          1. +2
            20 December 2021 19: 18
            Quote: Count Zamazkin
            What are you asking ridiculous questions?

            What questions are we talking about?
            1. +3
              20 December 2021 19: 21
              I mean the one-sidedness of the Poet's assessment
              1. +4
                20 December 2021 19: 33
                Quote: Count Zamazkin
                I mean one-sidedness

                There are no questions.
                And I have to you too ...
                1. +4
                  20 December 2021 19: 36
                  And, I have no questions. In vain, I probably got involved in this conversation, it turned out stupidly on my part. Out of boredom you can't say anything.
        2. +4
          20 December 2021 19: 40
          Michael, why? In order not to spoil the impression of poetry, it is better not to get into the poet's personal life. God is their judge.
          1. +2
            20 December 2021 19: 56
            Quote: Andrey Moskvin
            So as not to spoil the impression of poetry

            Many people identify the poet with the "heroes" of his poems and songs. And to prevent this from happening, you need to know the poet from all sides.
            1. +3
              20 December 2021 20: 16
              I think the Poet is not of this world, because during the time of inspiration it does not matter whether it is a drug addict or a drunkard scoundrel. I think so. And there is no need to rummage in dirty linen.
              1. +3
                20 December 2021 20: 46
                Quote: Andrey Moskvin
                And there is no need to rummage in dirty linen.

                Do not.
                But you need to know the "idol" from all sides.
      2. +2
        20 December 2021 19: 30
        change will lead ...

    3. +8
      20 December 2021 17: 45
      Where is Tsoi, and where is Vysotsky !? They also compared ... What did the genius Choi write? I do not know.
      1. +6
        20 December 2021 18: 21
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        What did the genius Choi write? I do not know.

        Not only you. And in general, I was always surprised at the popularity of Tsoi. This is probably because there was no one else. If Tsoi had lived during Vysotsky, or vice versa, then no one would have listened to Tsoi.
        This is if we talk about songwriters, and if about performers, then I would note Pelageya and Sumishevsky. These have not yet lost their human image. We'll see how it goes on.
        1. +1
          20 December 2021 19: 48
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          And in general, I was always surprised at the popularity of Tsoi.

          Here, read it. Maybe you will be less surprised.
          https://zen.yandex.ru/media/id/5f929ee69289f159d57a3798/fenomen-coia-v-chem-sekret-bessmertnoi-populiarnosti-muzykanta-5fa5525f3a59d85105cdaed5
          1. +2
            20 December 2021 20: 09
            Quote: Hyperion
            Here, read it. Maybe you will be less surprised.

            Everything can be explained, even the inexplicable. And, most importantly, it can be explained in different ways. Those. with a different sign. It all depends on the customer's requirements. Regardless of these articles, both positive and negative, my attitude towards Tsoi is no and the remaining bewilderment about his popularity both then and now.
            1. +1
              20 December 2021 20: 54
              There is also Makarevich ...
              1. +7
                20 December 2021 23: 12
                Quote: Azis
                There is also Makarevich ...

                Do you have a conscience? Remember THIS at night looking.
            2. +2
              20 December 2021 21: 30
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              It all depends on the customer's requirements.

              The main "customer" is time. Will Morgenstern and Buzova be remembered in 10 years? And Tsoi, I am sure, will be remembered. Because the soul and talent. But of course, there is no artist or singer who would be liked by everyone, without exception ...
              1. +1
                20 December 2021 21: 43
                Great quail. I like it too. As for Vysotsky, my opinion. He sang understandably, clearly, clearly, with anguish and soul about the vital. The way no one else could. Everyone understood that everything is exactly the way he sings, but no one could express it in song, rhythm, music. Genius! Choi ... it's about the eternal. No one can understand why it is sung by those who were born many years after his death. In his songs there is an understatement, everyone decides for himself where his star is called the Sun, whether his blood type is on his sleeve, and what the cuckoo will sing for him ...
              2. 0
                20 December 2021 23: 23
                [quote = Hyperion]
                The main "customer" is time. [/ quote
                Listen to this song (Cuckoo) performed by the author and compare with the performance of Gagarina. Heaven and earth. Gagarina gave life to this song, not Tsoi! This is the first thing. And second, turn off the video, leave only the audio and you will see how the song fades. Although the song is not bad, it doesn’t feel like a masterpiece.
                1. +1
                  21 December 2021 14: 39
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Gagarina gave life to this song, not Tsoi!

                  Gagarina opened it from a new side, IMHO.
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  And second, turn off the video, leave only the audio and you will see how the song fades.

                  I would not say that there is some kind of special video sequence that can significantly affect the perception of a song. Well, the taste and color, as they say ...
        2. +1
          22 December 2021 06: 27
          Previously, the newspapers either did not write about Vysotsky. or they wrote that he was nobody and there was no way to call him.
      2. +3
        21 December 2021 10: 27
        Quote: Andrey Moskvin
        Where is Tsoi, and where is Vysotsky !? They also compared ... What did the genius Choi write? I do not know.

        Tsoi listens much more than Vysotsky
        1. 0
          21 December 2021 14: 41
          Quote: your1970
          Tsoi listens much more than Vysotsky

          What accounts did you count on?
          1. +2
            21 December 2021 17: 15
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Quote: your1970
            Tsoi listens much more than Vysotsky

            What accounts did you count on?

            On car ... lol
            Vysotsky is on a flash drive for me and 1 friend - that's all.
            Many of my acquaintances have Tsoi, almost all of them ..
            However, as well as
            and "Mirage" feel feel
            1. -2
              21 December 2021 18: 54
              Quote: your1970
              Vysotsky is on a flash drive for me and 1 friend - that's all.

              So they just haven't grown up spiritually to Vysotsky.
    4. -1
      20 December 2021 20: 55
      Ivan that everything is so bad in the Russian stage. You see, I'm from Ukraine, on the contrary, the rise of performers who sing in Ukrainian. If you want to listen to Hardkiss, Alena-Alena, Antibodies are just a shot.
  7. HAM
    +7
    20 December 2021 17: 16
    Well, what did you want? If from all TVs from year to year (soon New Year's "chees" and again the same faces) "emperors" with "kings", young people are not interested in them, no matter what feathers they dress up in .... generations .. change TV dramatically, for a start ...
  8. +6
    20 December 2021 17: 17
    Quote: Finches
    and the degradation of national culture is the degradation of the nation!

    And she goes from above! It is mediocrity, sodomites and other evil spirits that are awarded the highest state awards. The Sabbat is upstairs.
  9. +7
    20 December 2021 17: 36
    We all argue that in 2014 Putin blinded Ukraine, but now we have a degradation under our noses of their own Russians, who will soon begin to "jump", and not only. Where are we looking now? On whom we will blame ...
  10. +1
    20 December 2021 17: 37
    When politicians and political scientists talk about the stage and the so-called modern stars, the question arises: why all of a sudden?
    ... They spoke before, they say now, they will speak and then ... but to the point, ALWAYS, zero.
    Is it possible to carry out mobilization and drive everyone into one with the group and governs all directives, instructions from the top.
    In the end, there will be no explanations, but the appearance of something can be created.
  11. +3
    20 December 2021 17: 46
    Money rules the world. For those babos who are spinning in show business, effective managers will sell their mothers, do you think they will worry about young people? After us, even the grass does not grow today's slogan.
  12. +4
    20 December 2021 18: 00
    I don’t want to watch Pushkov, because I don’t perceive him as a paid prop ......... Let’s remember which of us the Beatles interfered with (sorry, I am writing without transcription) I spent my young years in the GSVG and we were obsessed with Diir Peples, Led Zeppeling and other representatives of hard rock My father grumbled all the time but did not interfere And as a result, I kind of grew up, rose to good ranks, but still the ringtone on the phone Smok is over the water and I listen to all these classics with great pleasure
  13. +4
    20 December 2021 18: 01
    no matter how they got him in my school, he would not be an idol but ...
    1. -1
      21 December 2021 20: 33
      If you are at that time. why pipe trousers ...
    2. 0
      22 December 2021 14: 58
      Quote: Vasilenko Vladimir
      no matter how they got him in my school, he would not be an idol but ...

      Do you think they didn’t rush it in the orphanage?
  14. +5
    20 December 2021 18: 10
    Advice to the military commissar to the military registration and enlistment office of which this miracle is attributed - send him to serve somewhere ...
    to Dagestan or to Chechnya!
    1. +3
      20 December 2021 18: 17
      You are not kind, you are the kindest. laughing
    2. +1
      20 December 2021 20: 10
      It is not conscription, we are waiting for when it generally lamented and ran into a deadline. Although ... if it is invited to forums with state participation, then mb. and will not be imprisoned.
    3. +1
      21 December 2021 21: 48
      You will be his elder, on patrol, for example. Such joy will be too big for you, no, I judge by myself - I do not care like that;)
  15. +2
    20 December 2021 19: 55
    The vulgarity was made a principle. Only to eat and drink and all the blessings of life, this abomination wants to receive and in an unlimited amount. Only someone has to do all this. And these creatures do not want to work in any way. If this is so, then the Bolsheviks were right a thousand times proclaiming the principle "He who does not work does not eat."
  16. 0
    20 December 2021 20: 23
    All the same, we need censorship, and in these times, on the Internet, even more so. Communicate on the forums, in writing, although you can't see a bad example from "pipes", "tick-tok", "100-grams" ... A bunch of "bloggers", "streamers", etc. excrement, which, apart from negative, does not bring anything, but for some reason they stick out as an ideal to strive for, because this can make money, which, as they say, "does not smell." But, ILK is easier to block something else ...
  17. AML
    0
    20 December 2021 21: 53
    Quote: Azis
    All the same, we need censorship, and in these times, on the Internet, even more so.


    Ahh, don't think that all these things are just sticking out. Thus, the rights are taken away from you and me. Previously, the rights were divided between a man and a woman. Now this list has been diluted with colored, 80-sex transsexuals, body-positive, alternatively gifted, migrants, etc. That is, if earlier a person could claim 50% of the rights, now it is 1% or less. In fact, a white male of normal orientation has the least amount of rights.
  18. 0
    20 December 2021 22: 10
    They themselves created a cult of bloggers, naked performances, dirty Vikings, and now the Pushkovs are hypocritically surprised - how can that be ???

    What about Ours, Youth Army, Kosmodemyanskaya Museums? It’s too low, it’s just less necessary to steal the elite ???
  19. AML
    +1
    21 December 2021 02: 24
    Quote: Max1995
    They themselves created a cult of bloggers, naked performances, dirty Vikings, and now the Pushkovs are hypocritically surprised - how can that be ???

    What about Ours, Youth Army, Kosmodemyanskaya Museums? It’s too low, it’s just less necessary to steal the elite ???

    Well, just a star. And here they dragged theft. Someone about what, and crummy about the bath.
  20. +4
    21 December 2021 08: 11
    And someone else's Erdogan did not think to blame his inflation on his Morgenstern.
  21. +2
    21 December 2021 18: 26
    What kind of state are such idols.
    1. 0
      21 December 2021 21: 32
      Quote: skobars
      What kind of state are such idols.

      And you, like, have nothing to do with it ..
      So what?
      1. +1
        11 January 2022 23: 24
        I have Soviet ideals, and I just do not understand why on earth I should write with boiling water from the contemplation of various Malakhovs, Morgensterns and similar leading and other riffraffs.
        1. -1
          12 January 2022 00: 31
          Quote: skobars
          I have Soviet ideals

          Mine, too, although not to say that they are unambiguously Soviet. For me, Russia is somewhat older and richer in history, not just the last 100 years. However, I believe that we are all equally to blame for the fact that such shit is now spreading across Russia. If you are really a political officer, then it is strange for me to explain this to you.
          That's why I asked, looking at your "drove".
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  22. +1
    21 December 2021 20: 30
    When politicians and political scientists talk about the stage and the so-called modern stars, the question arises:

    "and not to ask the generation where Petrosyan was - excuse me, was very popular"
  23. +1
    21 December 2021 21: 31
    Refined vomit ..
  24. -1
    22 December 2021 06: 52
    Quote: Ingvar 72
    In cinema, special effects and vulgarity reign supreme.

    So have you tried to watch good films?

    Offhand - "Three Billboards Outside Ebbing, Missouri", "Windy River", "Inception", "Island of the Damned", "Obsession", "Ford vs. Ferrari", "Get Knives", "No Country for Old Men" ... yes, dozens and hundreds of them, for every taste.
    1. 0
      22 December 2021 17: 24
      More good films: "Killer" and "Killer 2, one against all" ... the domestic cartoon "Atomic Forest" and "Atomic Forest 2" ... and the scientific and educational programs of the WHO and the CART to a heap. The one who seeks will find the good one unequivocally drinks
    2. -1
      22 December 2021 21: 59
      All that you have listed, the finest g ... oh !!!
  25. 0
    8 January 2022 23: 14
    Here it is a new trend of degeneration, the adoption of the new policy of the West - like I'm yours the same 3,14 r!
  26. 0
    16 January 2022 14: 57
    a cancerous tumor of the planet of the Western virus, killed all the youth of Russia, turning the stage into sodom and gomora for the sake of fame and profit, and many "guest performers" into Sadomites (so it's not surprising that the Creator's anger is just warming up around the planet) the time has come and all the trouble with caronovirus will seem to everyone just a cough compared to what will happen in the mid-twenties
  27. 0
    18 January 2022 01: 26
    Well, you give ... They compared Mozart with stuffed animals in feathers ... In general, it’s too late to be surprised and indignant, since the West quietly, in advance, vilely and from the "back door" entered and took possession of the minds and hearts of a considerable part of OUR Russian youth . It's a shame??? Otherwise ... But it’s not too late to fuss and move, and you can recapture part of the youth from cheaters from the West (and not only), since Hollywood films (with murders, debauchery, horrors, etc.), Russian low-quality TV shows and music, Russian films (such as "BRIGADA" ...) - this is worse than an atomic bomb. For example: anyone was interested - how many young guys broke their own (and someone else's ...) life and health AFTER the release of "Brigade" ???? But the statistics are deplorable on this score ... And after that, who will prove with foam at the mouth that supposedly Russia is contraindicated in CENSORSHIP in the media, culture and on the Internet ???? It will be interesting to know...
  28. 0
    22 January 2022 20: 15
    It's not just the "idols of today's youth." This cultural cancer, cultural AIDS is systemic. Let me explain. I remember the USSR well enough not to forget how all sorts of Mikhalkovs, Ryazanovs, Vitorgans, and further down the list whimpered "If it were not for the censorship of the bloody hell, we would have written such masterpieces." There is no censorship. Bloody gebni too. Masterpieces are also not seen. (Brest Fortress and 28 Panfilov's men, and at the same time Shirley Myrli are pleasant exceptions). On TV and on stages - vomit. It seems that all those masterpieces of literature, music, theater and cinema created in the USSR were not created by the "Mikhalkovs" and others like them, but by "inconspicuous lieutenants in civilian clothes." Because as soon as these same "low-key people in civilian clothes" disappeared, all good things disappeared from Russian culture.
    Understand that "cattle hawala" what he understands best. That is to say, something that appeals to the lowest instincts will ALWAYS be sold better than something that appeals to culture, reason, honor and dignity. As they say in the USA "lowest common denominator". Well, the same number of people will not go to "Makbes" or there to "Phantom of the Opera" that will go to Gangster Rap, Russian thug and "Our little one was removed for a pill." The squalor and lowland are understandable to all. And they sell well.
    You can't have both culture and the absence of some kind of filter. If earlier there were, in addition to the KGB, all sorts of cult councils, and there was at least some kind of filter from the muddy garbage dump for the soul, now they have removed it. Get as crazy as you want. The more cattle and scum you will be, the more cattle and scum will buy into your "creations".
    Exit - one. Severe censorship. By the way, EXACTLY THE SAME PROCESS happened in the USA. In the 70s, all kinds of gangster rappers and all kinds of Shakirs (having read the lyrics of her songs, for example, teaching girls not to work but to live on alimony from several men), not only would they not give a stage, no one would go to the same restroom with them so as not to get dirty . and now they have abandoned this - well, they have received a "culture" slightly inferior in wretchedness to Russian. The equivalents of Morningstern and other scum - influencers, in American tiktok and u-tube, are more than "at least chew your booty."
    Exit - one. Severe censorship and prosecution. For what? And there is an article, and it is not difficult to revive them. Indeed, even in the 60s - 70s, both in the USA and in Europe there were articles for "wrong" behavior. Up to fines for excessively short skirts and blouses.
    It is not necessary to count on the CONSCIOUSNESS of people. As Friedrich the Great wrote to Voltaire, "We have uncovered many of the mysteries of nature, we have learned to create magnificent paintings, castles, music, we are on the verge of unraveling electricity. But have people begun to lie, steal, betray and kill less? No."

    It is necessary that art and the media, including bloggers and "influencers" say THAT that WILL INCREASE the cultural level of the audience, and not lower it below the plinth. That is to say, both censorship and "cult advice" and "low-key lieutenants in civilian clothes" are needed, otherwise you have been trying for 30 years - complete garbage is obtained.
  29. 0
    1 February 2022 16: 48
    Site of the Old. Remember the beginning of the 80s - punks, lyubers, metalheads - everyone was accused of lack of spirituality, worship of the zapod, etc.. So what? In Afghanistan, did they listen to Leshchenko? Kobzon? what did you listen to on the cassettes? And don't tell me about their concerts "beyond the river", but I don't care what their songs were. And the same Luberas or metalworkers fought no worse, but better than Komsomol organizers and died with honor. You just. Remember your youth.

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