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The end of the hegemony of the petrodollar world media have chosen not to cover

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Lindsay Williams: The most important day at stories The US dollar, since its inception, occurred on Thursday, September 6. What happened on this day will affect your life, your family, your dining table more than you can imagine.

On Thursday, 6 September, China made an official statement that the PRC banking system is ready, all PRC transfer and transfer systems are ready. From now on, any nation in the world that wishes, can buy, sell or regularly trade crude oil using Chinese currency, not the US dollar!

This statement by China is one of the most significant changes in the global economic and monetary system, but it was barely mentioned on radio last week. The implications of this new action are enormous, and they may well be the catalyst that would bring down the dollar as the world's reserve currency, and change the entire landscape of energy trade and the entire world order.

Already on September 7, an agreement was signed between China and Russia, in which Russia actually agreed to sell oil to China in any quantities for yuan.

Lindsay Williams: “This has never happened in the history of crude oil, which has become the driving force of our entire (US) economy. Everything that exists in our life revolves around crude oil. A bundle of dollar-oil is the motivating factor of our economy. Never, ever there was no crude oil sold, bought or traded, in any country in the world, without the use of the American dollar. "

Not the yen, not the pounds and not the dollar itself, but crude oil, is the standard currency of the world. The largest amounts of money are transferred around the world in the form of settlements for crude oil and this is more money than in calculations for any other product of world trade.

This duet of the two most powerful opponents of the American economy and the US empire, now acts together. China and Russia are making a move to strike at the foundations of the economic strength of the United States, on which America’s position as the most powerful economic superpower is based. After that, most countries in the world will begin to move away from the US dollar through the purchase of oil in other currencies.

Now the full weight of our debt and the decline in the structure of production in the United States will befall the American people.

This new agreement between Russia and China also has serious implications for Iran, and the rest of the Middle East. The US sanctions against Iran will no longer have a noticeable effect, as the rogue nation can now simply choose a buyer and sell its oil to China, receive Chinese yuan in exchange for its oil and then use this currency to exchange for any other resources needed for maintaining its economy and nuclear programs.

The world changed dramatically last week, but not a single word was said, by Wall Street financiers or politicians who reveled in their magnificence during party conventions.

The main blow to the American Empire and the power of the American dollar as a reserve currency in the world, was made on September 6 jointly by China and Russia. Now these countries are striving to become energy controllers on the world market, and thus, the controllers of the new oil currency, the yuan.
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http://www.examiner.com/article/dollar-no-longer-primary-oil-currency-as-china-begins-to-sell-oil-using-yuan
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  1. Vadivak
    Vadivak 19 September 2012 08: 27
    +2
    After that, most countries of the world will begin to move away from the US dollar.

    But what about the stabilization fund? It contains debt obligations of 14 states: Austria, Belgium, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Ireland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Portugal, Spain, Great Britain and the USA. Denominated in US dollars, euros and British pounds;
    1. INTER
      INTER 19 September 2012 08: 31
      +1
      Consecrate what is needed and what is dictated)))
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 19 September 2012 23: 22
        +1
        In my opinion, not quite like that. Treaty China - Russia: trade will be RMB - ruble. That is, Russians can buy Chinese goods for rubles; and the Chinese are Russian goods per yuan. A similar scheme is Japan - China.
        And the stabilization fund (dollars), I think, needs to be invested in the assets of large companies - shares of large German, French, English and other monopolistic companies in order to have access to new technologies. It did not work with OPEL, so now there is a crisis - they will be more accommodating.
    2. Che
      Che 19 September 2012 08: 39
      +1
      Vadivak,
      We will change the amers for gold. Like France at one time.
      1. kotdavin4i
        kotdavin4i 19 September 2012 08: 49
        +7
        Quote: Che
        We will change the amers for gold. Like France at one time.

        Unfortunately this is no longer possible. Amers have such a law - they cannot change paper for gold for anyone. Just after France and accepted ...
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 19 September 2012 09: 45
        +1
        Quote: Che
        Like France at one time


        The legend is this. General de Gaulle is dead, widowed by France
        1. volcano
          volcano 19 September 2012 11: 28
          +1
          Quote: Vadivak
          The legend is this.


          Why is the legend .... as far as I know .. de Gaulle knocked out gold from amers .... they scooped up all the gimmicks there, but just after that they decided that paper was no longer exchanged for gold .... .
          otherwise no gold is enough laughing
      3. vanya
        vanya 19 September 2012 10: 46
        +4
        better on equipment and machine tools.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 08: 41
      0
      Quote: Vadivak

      But what about the stabilization fund?

      Vadim, it seems they said there they significantly reduced dollar reserves, but I don’t know how much they reduced and how infa is correct. Maybe someone has accurate numbers, and then they need to transfer funds to gold, and not to American paper.
      1. baltika-18
        baltika-18 19 September 2012 09: 44
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Quote: Vadivak

        But what about the stabilization fund?
        Vadim, it seems they said there they significantly reduced dollar reserves, but I don’t know how much they reduced and how infa is correct. Maybe someone has accurate numbers, and then they need to transfer funds to gold, and not to American paper.

        All that we managed to dig up: the gold reserve in relation to the total mass of gold and foreign exchange reserves increased from 4% to 7,2% (792t), data from the beginning of summer.
        1. lars
          lars 19 September 2012 10: 37
          +6
          After Brezhnev's death (after the "departure" of each General Secretary, Gokhran inventories were carried out), we had about 2,5 thousand tons of gold. Hi Gorby am
        2. Alexander 1958
          Alexander 1958 19 September 2012 14: 33
          +2
          Good day! As far as I remember, Putin was instructed to bring gold and foreign exchange reserves to 1000 tons by 2015, and today they are already 900 with a tail of tons, and this is really about 10% of foreign exchange reserves. The remaining 1/3 dollars, 1/3 euro the rest is the British pound, yuan and other currencies. The amount of dollars has really decreased since Yeltsin’s time, but it would be better if they weren’t at all ..
          Alexander 1958
      2. 1tankist
        1tankist 19 September 2012 10: 01
        +13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        , like they said there they significantly reduced dollar reserves, but I don’t know how much they reduced and how infa is correct. Maybe someone has accurate numbers, and then they need to transfer funds to gold, and not to American paper.


        Here is another found on the topic. This is a timeline for Russia to drain US treasury bills. Instead of buying democratically, Medvedev and Putin are undemocratically selling.
        1. Sakhalininsk
          Sakhalininsk 19 September 2012 10: 51
          +1
          Quote: 1tankist
          Here is another found on the topic. This is a timeline for Russia to drain US treasury bills. Instead of buying democratically, Medvedev and Putin are undemocratically selling.


          Well, what else to do with this toilet paper .... just drain and nothing more.
          And in fact the news, this is very good and right!
          Enemies must be suppressed by any means, and giving up the dollar is a blow to the most sore spot of star-striped.
      3. Vadivak
        Vadivak 19 September 2012 14: 36
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        and then you need to transfer funds to gold

        Nobody will convert those pieces of paper in the stabilization fund to gold; they have not been provided with them since 1970
    4. ZKBM-BUT
      ZKBM-BUT 19 September 2012 08: 58
      +1
      but not at all. the stabilization fund will now be in rubles and yuan. dollar can now glue the toilet. I am not an economist of course. but I think not far from the truth. on this news and went unnoticed, so that there were no shocks.
      1. Trance
        Trance 19 September 2012 09: 15
        +5
        Guys, the information here is a little distorted. The agreement between Russia and China in mutual settlements in rubles and RMB was signed before 06.09.12/XNUMX/XNUMX. On this subject, you can see the interview of Vladimir Putin on YouTube. With its statement, China plans to partially replace the US dollar with Chinese yuan, but oil and other Russian goods delivered to China will be sold for rubles and, accordingly, from China for yuan. At the moment, everyone but the Yankees wins. We will wait for a decrease in oil from the supply of Saud and Qatar.
        1. avdkrd
          avdkrd 19 September 2012 11: 55
          +1
          You need to read carefully, the agreement was signed a long time ago, but it concerned mutual settlements between China and Russia, and on September 06.09.12, XNUMX, China made an official statement if you want a commercial offer for the whole world and primarily for countries that do not want to depend on the fiscal authorities of the ASPnet, which is itself threatens to significantly undermine the influence of the ASP in world politics, since, first of all, they rely on the power of the dollar, which is expressed not so much by its rate as by the need to conduct international settlements. If the system starts working, then countries such as Iran, Venezuela., North Korea will "put with the device" on any economic sanctions from the ASP and Europe. Samra is funny that, say, the same Europe (euro business) will use such a settlement system and a new reserve currency to bypass its own sanctions (politics is politics, but I want to eat)
    5. Alexander 1958
      Alexander 1958 19 September 2012 09: 51
      +2
      Good afternoon!
      I would like to be wrong, but most likely you can forget about the Russian Stabilization Fund, stored in dollars and other "valuable" PAPERS. This is a tax on the losing country in 1991. If the Stabilization Fund returns to Russia, it will be greatly devalued by future inflation, if at all in the future there will be such a currency as the dollar. I would like to remind you that the dollar is a security of the union of several PRIVATE banks, and in the event of their bankruptcy, all claims against these banks, and not against the US state. It is possible that by that time the United States will introduce its own currency (amero) and dollars will only represent numismatic value
      Alexander 1958
      1. Sergh
        Sergh 19 September 2012 10: 22
        +1
        Throw another light!

        North Korea wants to switch from euro to ruble and yuan

        MOSCOW, September 6. North Korea intends to start using the Russian ruble and the Chinese yuan in trade transactions. According to "Vesti Ekonomika", this was stated by the Deputy Minister of Foreign Trade of the country Su Kir Bok.

        Currently, the official currency used by North Korea for foreign trade purposes is the euro, which the country switched from the US dollar in 2002.

        Thus, North Korea will be among the countries officially using the ruble in trade operations, as most geopolitical neighbors of the Russian Federation do.

        In addition, earlier in the week it became known that the North Korean government had decided on trade reforms. Now only 30% of revenue will be collected from trade and industrial enterprises. Previously, they gave the state all 100%, and received salary funds from the budget.
      2. alexng
        alexng 19 September 2012 10: 23
        0
        The stabilization fund was quietly transferred to the so-called airbag even under Putin’s rule and now it does not depend on the dollar, but there is simply a foreign exchange reserve and now it will be tied to crude oil.
        1. Sergh
          Sergh 19 September 2012 10: 37
          +4
          Thus, at the beginning of July 2012, international settlements, bypassing the dollar, will be made between countries:

          Japan - China
          China - Russia
          India - Japan
          China - Iran
          India - Iran
          Brazil - China
          Chile - China

          Kazakhstan and China henceforth they will conduct their export-import operations in tenge and yuan, bypassing the dollar

          By 2015, the volume of trade between Kazakhstan and China should reach $ 40 billion. At the end of 2010, it amounted to $ 20 billion.

          To achieve this indicator, the parties signed an agreement between the National Bank of Kazakhstan and the People's Bank of China on the exchange of national currencies (yuan and tenge). This is a volume of one billion US dollars, which is equal to seven billion yuan and 150 billion Kazakhstani tenge. After signing the agreement, the banks of Kataya and Kazakhstan open correspondent accounts, to which the agreed amount will be received within three years. Each country will have benefits: firstly, commissions are lost when currencies are converted; secondly, there will be direct calculations; thirdly, interbank relations are simplified.

          Turkey goes to rubles

          Russia and Turkey are the largest trading partners, whose trade turnover in 2011 reached $ 34 billion. Sinan Ogan, President of the Turkish Center for International Relations and Strategic Analysis, believes that the transition of Moscow and Ankara to mutual settlements in national currencies will be beneficial to the two countries. "The transition to settlements in foreign trade in rubles and lira, especially in the context of the global crisis, will have a positive impact on the development of trade, economic and political relations between Russia and Turkey."

          One of the largest Turkish banks - Garanti - supported the initiative put forward by President Abdullah Gul on the transition to national currencies in mutual settlements, becoming the first financial structure of this country, which switched to mutual settlements with Russia in rubles. The Turkish bank Yapi Kredi switched to ruble settlements with Russia.

          ... and this is just the beginning ...
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 10: 53
            0
            Quote: Sergh
            and this is just the beginning ...

            Hi Sergey, it’s rather the end of the dollar and its owners, since now it’s not a print, but no longer needed hi
            1. Sergh
              Sergh 19 September 2012 20: 17
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              rather, this is the end of the dollar and its owners

              Healthy Alexander! Yes, rather, fed up with these Fed, IMF, and amers, too, already got it. A hunt of simple silence and a quarter of moonshine with salted cucumber ...

              1. Che
                Che 20 September 2012 08: 53
                0
                Sergh,
                And fat with potatoes where.
    6. Leisure
      Leisure 19 September 2012 11: 08
      0
      You need to keep eggs in different baskets, incl. RMB. Risk management, you see.
      1. Hans grohman
        Hans grohman 19 September 2012 13: 57
        0
        Tagiil !!! Hooray !!!
      2. volcano
        volcano 19 September 2012 21: 17
        +1
        Quote: Lazer
        You need to keep the eggs in different baskets,


        You need to keep the eggs in your pants laughing drinks
    7. crazyrom
      crazyrom 6 October 2012 00: 46
      0
      Quote: Vadivak
      But what about the stabilization fund?

      The stabilization fund will never return to their countries, these are missing, disinfected dollars, tribute. This is very well explained by State Duma deputy Yevgeny Fedorov (efedorov.ru) Choose a video about sovereignty or finance and look, it opens your eyes very much.
  2. tronin.maxim
    tronin.maxim 19 September 2012 08: 29
    0
    What a news! If I hadn’t read it, I wouldn’t have known about such an event!
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 08: 36
      +6
      I join in perplexity! )))
      The news is truly iconic, but it passed surgically unnoticed. Choi? laughing
      This news is especially interesting in the context of the recent news from the US Federal Reserve, about virtually unlimited emissions. What will happen to the dollar if the machine continues to continue printing money, which will, in fact, lose their status of the only reserve currency in the world ?!
      As they say, let him who has ears hear ...
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 08: 46
        +1
        Quote: NovoSibirets

        The news is truly iconic, but it passed surgically unnoticed. Choi

        This news was in the events of the day recently. But just what will be Washington’s retaliatory step or what is happening around the disputed islands and the deployment of the radar, perhaps a hint to China that this should not be done. The truth is that China also put ours on it with a device.
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 September 2012 09: 05
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          That’s just what Washington’s response will be.

          I think you're right, Sanya!
          Amer is not as simple as it seems !!
          I think they are preparing a crushing response!
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 09: 16
            +2
            Quote: Yarbay
            I think they are preparing a crushing response!

            Alibek, this is the problem, the public debt issue is immediately resolved and millions of jobs will appear on the ruins, and most importantly, these millions will be ready to work even for food. The construction of the empire continues request
            1. Yarbay
              Yarbay 19 September 2012 09: 24
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              the public debt issue is immediately resolved and millions of jobs will appear on the ruins, and most importantly, these millions will be ready to work even for food.
              terrible times apparently await us and our children !!
              It is unfortunate that there is no one to stop these cannibals !!
            2. lars
              lars 19 September 2012 10: 39
              0
              At the same time, Amero is a good occasion to introduce. Looks like a director.
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 10: 59
                0
                Quote: lars

                At the same time, Amero is a good occasion to introduce.

                And for America, the introduction of amero, the dollar is no longer needed, and amero is just plain paper.
          2. svs
            svs 19 September 2012 12: 16
            +1
            << I think they are preparing a devastating response! >> now if they do not agree in the fall to increase the ceiling of the national debt and arrange a default, followed by the introduction of a state of emergency and nat. currencies - this will be a crushing answer, on the other hand, the longer they keep the dollar, the better - everyone is already slowly preparing for its collapse ...
            1. Novosibirsky
              Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 18: 20
              0
              Quote: svs
              if in the fall they don’t agree to increase the ceiling of the public debt and default

              Dear, they have already agreed! )) There will be no default! Unlimited emissions - what does this tell you?
        2. Kaa
          Kaa 19 September 2012 10: 04
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          But just what will be Washington’s retaliatory step or what is happening around the disputed islands and the deployment of the radar, perhaps a hint to China that this should not be done

          This is a hint, but there are many Chinese, the hint did not reach everyone, so the Japanese pogroms began in China, and some boarded warships and rushed to the disputed islands. It would be better on the south-east, to Hawaii ...
        3. volcano
          volcano 19 September 2012 11: 36
          +1
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          That’s just what Washington’s response will be.


          Hello, Alexander.
          I think that the economic global hegemony of the United States is really coming to an end and I fully admit that the United States will not do anything here, but let's not forget that they have some plans for Amero there ... maybe they are happy this ..... they will pay off their fucking debt with the depreciated dollar and switch to another currency.

          But the most important thing is that the USA can take the path of starting a big war and pitting everyone with everyone ..... in such a situation, the world will have no time to abandon the dollar ....
          In short, the US can save global turmoil, and I'm afraid that they will try to play this card.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 11: 49
            0
            And hello to you Andrew,
            Quote: volkan
            that they have some plans for "Amero"

            This will lead to default of the USA with all that it implies.
            Quote: volkan
            But the most important thing is that the United States can take the path of starting a big war and pitting everyone with everyone ..... in this situation, the world will not be up to giving up the dollar.

            Well, who in such a situation will really need dollars, and for what?
            Quote: volkan
            In short, the US can save global turmoil, and I'm afraid that they will try to play this card

            Nothing can save the USA !!! In any story, they lose.
            1. volcano
              volcano 19 September 2012 12: 27
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              This will lead to default of the USA with all that it implies.

              naturally .... and they themselves may well want this and wait as manna from heaven.
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, who in such a situation will really need dollars, and for what?


              Of course they will not be needed, but it will not be easy to deal with the change of the settlement system, agree ... there will be more pressing matters.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Nothing can save the USA!


              I don’t quite agree here ..... the United States is the main cynic ..... and the last card in the deck (a tough military invasion somewhere, there are many options) will be played without question .... They will simply start to take raw materials and resources from third countries. .....
              Again, they will most likely risk openly opposing them: Russia, China and India (in alliance with us), the others will pretend that nothing is happening ... The West will not be touched by anybody .... so there are options ....

              Remember how 2MV essentially saved the American economy .......
              1. Novosibirsky
                Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 18: 37
                +1
                Quote: volkan
                a harsh military invasion somewhere, many options) will play without question ...

                Dear Volkan, do not you think that the military capabilities of the United States, to put it mildly, are somewhat exaggerated? I say this not from idle bravado, but from realities. Everywhere where the US troops are required not a parade procession, but a tough cut of them ... simply not ... !!! Open my eyes, where are the USA really fighting ?! Tough, like in Vietnam? !! With losses, with coffins !! .. Yes nowhere!

                Resume, dear: are we not overestimating the fighting spirit and capabilities of the enemy infantry? !! After all, as one of the commanders used to say (forgive me for my forgetfulness) "In the end, the infantry wins wars" !!!
                Is the devil so terrible as he is painted? !!
                1. volcano
                  volcano 19 September 2012 21: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: NovoSibirets
                  Dear Volkan, do not you think that the military capabilities of the United States, to put it mildly, are somewhat exaggerated


                  Of course they are exaggerated, but nevertheless deserve the most serious attitude to themselves ....
                  The adversary should never be underestimated
                  UNDERSTIMED-HALF LOST.

                  Quote: NovoSibirets
                  After all, as one of the commanders used to say (forgive me for my forgetfulness) "In the end, the infantry wins wars" !!!


                  Zhukov said, "Until the foot of an infantryman enters the territory, it is no man's."

                  Well, the devil is certainly not so scary, but you shouldn’t deal with hatred as well .... our Army, unfortunately, is also far from perfect ..... and what we get is a very big question.
            2. Novosibirsky
              Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 18: 27
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Well, who in such a situation will really need dollars, and for what?

              The analogy with WWII! As a reserve currency for all transactions. Weapons Fuel. Food. Technologies. Loans. Loans Labor reserves!
              All this is very difficult and extremely inconvenient to convert to gold! The dollar has taken its place as a unit of measure for goods.
              Your post only makes sense if a global nuclear war breaks out. )) Then, of course, as in the "Marauder", the patron will be the most convertible currency ... "Five" ..., "Seven" ...))) Best regards.
        4. Novosibirsky
          Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 17: 16
          0
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          This news was in the events of the day recently.

          Alexander, throw the link, missed.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 17: 37
            0
            Yes, next to the events, take a look a couple of days ago, I saw her from there and drove her there.
            1. Novosibirsky
              Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 18: 41
              0
              They "drove" her, Alexander, on my humble recommendation. Forgive me for my immodesty and vanity. )) Since I enlightened that important news passes by the users I respect, and also have not seen anything like this in the press. From which I hastened to share with you, as well as from what I asked you ...
              I don’t see the answer.
      2. andrey.joshua
        andrey.joshua 19 September 2012 09: 30
        0
        What will happen to the dollar if the machine continues to continue printing money

        I do not care about dolar, and although not .... there will be something that should have been with plain papers for a long time !!! And that the media are silent
        "The news is truly significant, but it went unnoticed surgically."
        How do you still wonder ??? To the fact that we have everywhere: TV alvivny weighing !?
        The main question is different: The erroneous position in this article: It would be bad to be friends with China, it would be deprived of Amer ..... They will be smoother: Hitler and Germany before the Urals ... This, for great China, serve the territory in Murmansk itself !? In short, India - Yes, to friends! China, - the same, to friends .... only at the distance of an extended sword !!! laughing
        1. Novosibirsky
          Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 18: 50
          0
          Fortunately, China is not in the same geo-strategic position as Hitler Germany! He does not compete with the global nuclear powers. Hands are short.
      3. speedy
        speedy 19 September 2012 11: 03
        +1
        Very encouraging and timely news (and someone doubted the results of the APEC summit). China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela come out of the dollar (petrodollar), which insure their risks from the crisis in the United States. APEC remains in the dollar than, accordingly, assumes all risks. America, feeling the speedy kirdyk of its currency system, turns on the printing press to have fun last, which only speeds up the process ... and the long-awaited kirdyk comes. And there is simply no other way to stop this international gangster (the military method and political pressure are excluded). But there is experience of the collapse of the USSR, and it is relevant to the United States more than ever ... As they say debt by payment ...
        1. Novosibirsky
          Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 18: 56
          0
          Quote: short-term
          China, Russia, Iran, Venezuela come out of the dollar (petrodollar), thereby insuring their risks from the crisis in the United States

          They just come out very, very, obscenely "very" carefully! For this unsupported dollar is like a makhorka's fool, and if we overthrow it now, we ourselves are going to suffer huge losses! You need to drain it quietly!
          Of course, I’m far from thinking that the dollar will not order a long life today tomorrow, but don’t go to his grandmother for oncology! As always, in such matters - a matter of time ... Point! Investors, welcome! )))
  3. Russlana
    Russlana 19 September 2012 08: 32
    +3
    I think the whole world will shake. Most of all - who have the most dollars. The humble Russian man is afraid of nothing, except for the garden and the tractor he has nothing =)

    I would like to rejoice, but ordinary American citizens are not to blame. Is that what they lived for themselves. Well, which of us is not like that? The Great Depression, part two, is coming.
    1. Vadivak
      Vadivak 19 September 2012 08: 34
      +3
      Quote: Russlana
      The humble Russian man is afraid of nothing

      Except the master of the fool
      1. Russlana
        Russlana 19 September 2012 08: 54
        0
        Fools are our eternal problem laughing
        1. PSih2097
          PSih2097 19 September 2012 18: 51
          -2
          Fools are our eternal problem

          it's time to cook a bolt, for shooting the master ...
  4. Che
    Che 19 September 2012 08: 37
    +2
    This duet of the two most powerful opponents of the American economy and the US empire, now acts together. China and Russia are making a move to strike at the foundations of the economic strength of the United States, on which America’s position as the most powerful economic superpower is based. After that, most countries in the world will begin to move away from the US dollar through the purchase of oil in other currencies.

    It pleases, the economies of many countries will only benefit from this.

    1. aksakal
      aksakal 19 September 2012 08: 41
      +1
      Quote: Che
      It pleases, the economies of many countries will only benefit from this.

      - I agree, they will ultimately win. But before that, it will still be necessary to survive a certain very unpleasant period. And it can be quite long, and without this period it will not work. Are you ready for such a deal? Is there any fat? For me personally - no. It scares
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 19 September 2012 09: 21
        +4
        Quote: aksakal
        Are you ready for such a deal?

        - collapse of the dollar - reduction in consumption in the USA (now 3% of the world's population consume more than 25% of global GDP) - decline in exports of China, Japan, and united Europe - as a result of bankruptcies of corporations from these countries, decrease in consumption of raw materials - stop of Magnitogorsk, Karmet, a significant decrease oil prices - the streets are crowded with reduced and unemployed. This is not an apocalypse, it is a reality in this situation. Like?
        Of course, a holy place is never empty - there will be another who will increase his consumption. For example, the Chinese population or someone else. But for this, appropriate structural, and even simple psychological changes must go through. In order to move away from the habit of "producing a lot of consumer goods in exchange for a bowl of rice" and come to the habit of "producing a little less consumer goods, but besides a cup of rice, you also need time to consume a part of the product you have released yourself". Everything takes time. And this is not a year or even two.
        There are pluses - this is a more equitable distribution of world consumption, which is nice to the Russian soul, sensitive to justice. And any crisis is a chance. It is somehow customary that our "basins" do not take, because they are "basins". We have already been convinced of this. In fact, under certain circumstances (think for yourself which ones) and basins sell well. And such circumstances may appear during this crisis - while Japanese or German manufacturers are at a loss, they act convulsively "anti-crisis", such as to be reduced, you need to be prepared.
        But all this takes time. But will we survive this time? Leningrad did not forget?
        1. Arkan
          Arkan 20 September 2012 05: 23
          0
          aksakal,
          The world survived the collapse of more than one empire, and the collapse of the United States will survive.
  5. kotdavin4i
    kotdavin4i 19 September 2012 08: 37
    +2
    Well, what can I say Scribe Kitten (sorry to the American economy), but if it is real then China began its game, and moreover, to remove America from the position of world economic leader.
  6. mongoose
    mongoose 19 September 2012 08: 38
    0
    good news, but Russia needs to achieve settlements in rubles
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 02
      0
      To do this, we need to have the same economy as the Chinas, and a freely convertible ruble. What is not foreseen in the near future. And most importantly, we need political will! There will be will - the end of the hegemony of the "baby pacifier" - the dollar!
  7. Novosibirsky
    Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 08: 39
    0
    "Now the full weight of our debt and the declining structure of production in the US is going to fall on the American people."

    But this is just a song! )) And who would you like, Mrs. Lindsay Williams? !!
  8. Trailer
    Trailer 19 September 2012 08: 39
    0
    Yuan, of course, is great, but, on the other hand, another fact in the world is not covered much. Namely, the 735 US military bases around the world ... and by the way, how are things with democracy in China (although the Uyghur card is more suitable for them, and the country is decomposed for the sake of false symbols of freedom)
    1. kotdavin4i
      kotdavin4i 19 September 2012 08: 59
      +5
      Quote: Karavan
      Namely, 735 US military bases around the world

      Good morning Dear, 735 is certainly good, BUT all the soldiers at these bases need to be fed, dressed, heated, or refrigerated, paid in arrears, looking for equipment, buying weapons and supplies, and what’s the dofig, but if the dollar is like a candy wrap, then nobody and nothing will help America anymore - and the soldiers will scatter and close the bases ... Without a strong economy, there can never be strong armies!
      1. Trailer
        Trailer 19 September 2012 09: 11
        0
        Nothing gives such an impetus to the economy and industry, like a small victorious war. And here, oh, the USA is fueling in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, undermining the foundations of Syria. In general, they have established economic incentives, be healthy.
        1. kotdavin4i
          kotdavin4i 19 September 2012 09: 16
          0
          Quote: Karavan
          like a small victorious war

          I believe ... Only - a small and victorious against China does not work out well ... China at the moment can be extinguished only with nuclear weapons, in terms of personnel they are ahead of the rest, and for conventional weapons too. and if you also take that the main holder of security papers for Americans is also China, then here generally extinguish the light throw a grenade. It turns out that America will fight against itself.
          1. Trailer
            Trailer 19 September 2012 09: 38
            0
            No, I already suggested how America could weaken China:
            1. Systematic local island conflicts with Japan, Taiwan, South Korea, which will draw the strength of the Chinese, and require additional military budget expenditures. At the same time, Americans can calmly arm any of these states.
            2. Uyghur card draw. There are Muslims and Uighurs in the Middle Kingdom who are rooted and not Chinese, but the Chinese want to convert them into Chinese. Those naturally fight like the Kurds in Turkey. Now, if the United States picks up this muck, then it will be another twirl on the head of China.
            3. The easiest and most productive way is to instill in the Chinese youth the ideals of the West (freedom of relations, each for himself, build a dream). So already one big country was destroyed. It seems that it was called the USSR?
            1. IRBIS
              IRBIS 19 September 2012 10: 31
              +2
              China's Orange Revolution? Not even funny! The Chinese government is extremely tough against any kind of Protestant. The students have already been coiled on tank tracks once.
              And the news is from the category of warming the soul. It’s nice to realize that the severity of the consequences will fall on the shoulders of the American people!
              1. Trailer
                Trailer 19 September 2012 11: 07
                0
                Well, we rolled our own in Moscow under the tracks ... and how did this affect the collapse of the USSR?
                1. IRBIS
                  IRBIS 19 September 2012 11: 50
                  +1
                  That's just the point that did not roll. They literally smeared students over the area, and we just smeared the snot. The tankers looked with a smile in the 91 at the barricades and h (m) attacks on them, there was simply no command. And in China there were tanks, and the team was! Respect for political will!
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 11: 06
              0
              Quote: Karavan
              um, I already suggested how America could weaken China:
              1. Planned local island conflicts with Japan, Taiwan, South Korea,

              Caravan, it will not weaken, but will strengthen China !!! The Chinese army will get what it currently lacks — combat experience.
              Quote: Karavan
              There are in the Middle Kingdom and Muslims, and Uighurs

              They are able to fight orange and pogroms in China very well and quickly.
              Quote: Karavan
              3. The easiest and most productive way is to inculcate the ideals of the West in Chinese youth

              Also past, the Chinese have very strong patriotism and love for their country. Rather, American ideals will be destroyed.
            3. Arkan
              Arkan 20 September 2012 05: 32
              0
              Trailer,
              In China, this number will not work (dissidents and separatists in China do not live long), and the loyalty to the regime among the vast majority of Chinese is very high (remember what happened in China when the amers bombed their embassy in Yugoslavia).
    2. vorobey
      vorobey 19 September 2012 09: 23
      +2
      I think the caravan in this situation and the Uyghurs for bucks will be poorly maintained.
      1. Trailer
        Trailer 19 September 2012 09: 43
        +1
        Well, here I do not agree. Still, the Uighurs live with us. We communicate.

        The Independence Movement of East Turkestan is a Uyghur popular movement that has been appealing to the authorities of autonomous Xinjiang, or rather, East Turkestan, for recognition of independence for a rather long time. Currently, this region is an autonomous unit within the PRC.

        In Urumqi, the main city of the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region (XUAR) of the PRC, the most serious ethnic mutiny has occurred in recent years. The Uyghurs, the indigenous inhabitants of the region, staged a demonstration that turned into bloody clashes with the Chinese and the police. Beijing claims the riots were triggered by separatists based in the United States. Uyghur human rights defenders reject the charge.

        The riot began last Sunday afternoon in Urumqi, the capital of the XUAR. It lasted several hours until the police and soldiers of the armed people's police (internal troops) isolated the Uyghur quarters from the rest of the city.

        Up to three thousand people took to the streets and began throwing stones at police officers, setting fire to cars and buses.

        The police watered the Uighurs from the hoses, beat them with rubber truncheons and detained people whom they considered to be the instigators of the riots. Wu Nun, director of the Autonomous Region’s Information Department, said that 140 people were killed and 828 were injured. However, according to Xinhua News Agency, the number of dead and wounded may be large. During the riot, 260 cars were set on fire, and 203 houses were damaged.

        An American in Urumqi told The New York Times over the telephone that he saw Uyghurs push and kick the Chinese. On Chinese TV, images of bloodied people lying on the ground were shown. Houses were shrouded in a cloud of smoke, cars were burning. According to eyewitnesses, the police led to the Uyghurs with their hands tied behind their backs. Their faces were covered with floor shirts.

        The events in Urumqi became the largest ethnic rebellion in China after the uprising in Tibet in March 2008. In Xinjiang itself, for so many years, such large-scale performances of Uighurs did not take place. Like the riots in Tibet, they focused a sense of dissatisfaction with the Communist Party policies experienced by ethnic minorities in the western outskirts of China. These moods hidden for the time being, as you can see, can easily develop into outbreaks of violence.
        1. T72B
          T72B 19 September 2012 10: 21
          0
          The Uyghur card is one of many that can be won in China. There is also Tibet. And if you wish, you can reanimate old border conflicts or skillfully organize new ones. In general, a large field of activity for skillful pens.
          1. Trailer
            Trailer 19 September 2012 10: 27
            0
            And democracy, do not forget about democracy and bloody regimes!
            1. T72B
              T72B 19 September 2012 10: 34
              0
              Well, this is so traditional that it would simply not be possible without these tsatseks.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 11: 10
              0
              Quote: Karavan

              And democracy, do not forget about democracy and bloody regimes!

              China wanted to chew on democracy and the Amers know this. China will immediately close the Internet and the rest of the field and within a week they will remove the corpses of orange democrats. China will not joke in this regard.
            3. Ustas
              Ustas 19 September 2012 13: 04
              0
              Trailer,
              Like it or not, all the intentions of the Americans and their economy is like an old basin, which is not, no, it is letting flow. And this rust is increasingly eroding this basin.
              In short, soon the "world hegemon" will completely cease to control events.
              Already, he lacks the strength and resources.
              PS: five years ago they told me that the US economy is so strong that there is, in principle, no crisis possible.
              But in reality ...?
              1. Trailer
                Trailer 19 September 2012 15: 07
                0
                But in reality - she is so weak that for some reason she is trying half the world!
                1. Ustas
                  Ustas 20 September 2012 08: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Karavan
                  But in reality - she is so weak that for some reason she is trying half the world!

                  And they will suffer further if they play in the economy according to the rules invented in the USA.
  9. andrei332809
    andrei332809 19 September 2012 08: 40
    +1
    it remains to shout a cry: forward to Russia and China! everything for the buck, everything for the victory! surprised that the article did not end with such an appeal
    1. SSR
      SSR 19 September 2012 10: 22
      0
      in the article the countries of the "axis of evil" were clearly outlined))
      and they don’t have to invent anything .. they will get old slogans ... and all the more so since China seems to be still communist.
      Red threat)) in general, the old song in a new way.
    2. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 06
      0
      I join the hypothesis! )))
  10. Hippopotamus
    Hippopotamus 19 September 2012 08: 52
    0
    Now the full weight ... of debt and a decrease in the structure of production in the USA will fall upon the American people.


    The end of the freebie, or the payment due is red! Although, in fact, nothing new. Russia has long been setting up the conversion of foreign turnover into rubles and the detachment from the dollar. Another thing is that now the scale is an order of magnitude higher.
  11. Arkan
    Arkan 19 September 2012 09: 01
    0
    The ice has broken ...)))
  12. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
    Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 September 2012 09: 04
    +1
    One question.
    WHY NOT RUBLE ?! am
    1. Homo
      Homo 19 September 2012 09: 13
      +1
      The level of industry in our country is not one to compete with the yuan.
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 September 2012 09: 30
        +3
        And we do not need to be pushed. Just declare the sale of its own oil for rubles.
    2. Rashid
      Rashid 19 September 2012 09: 39
      0
      In order to sell oil and gas for rubles, it is necessary to nationalize the Central Bank of Russia.
      1. mongoose
        mongoose 19 September 2012 09: 48
        +1
        stupidity is not utter
    3. merkel1961
      merkel1961 19 September 2012 10: 22
      0
      I think we’ll pay for rubles for Chinese imports.
    4. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 10
      0
      Because the economy and sources of income should be diversified, and not quasi-dependent on oil and gas prices! Our economy is unstable to the effects of external factors, and therefore our currency cannot be reserve, and have the necessary credit of trust.
  13. baltika-18
    baltika-18 19 September 2012 09: 53
    0
    The Rothschilds and the company know what will happen to the dollar, the yuan, the ruble and the rest of the paper, I read about this plan back in 2008. Analysts' assumptions come true, unfortunately.
  14. merkel1961
    merkel1961 19 September 2012 10: 19
    0
    What will happen to the printing press of the States if, judging by the information read yesterday on the Military Materials website, the FRS lease ends on 22.12.2012/XNUMX/XNUMX? Maybe the media hype about the "end of the world" is related to the end of the US dollar and the bankruptcy of the United States? It's not just that the Rothschild-Rockefeller ligament was formed, but the State Department is shitting all over the world!
  15. Eraser
    Eraser 19 September 2012 10: 21
    0
    Please explain who the economist is here, why the possibility of making calculations when selling oil in RMB means the death of the United States?
    1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
      Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 September 2012 10: 55
      +4
      Yes, it's all easy. The fact is that the US dollar is a world currency with all that it implies - it is actively used in mutual settlements between various countries. The dollar exchange rate in relation to other currencies is determined by the need for dollars - i.e. There are buyers who need a dollar, they have a certain mass of their own currency in their hands - and there are sellers who have a total mass of dollars in their hands that are in circulation outside the US.
      Now imagine that countries suddenly began to actively switch to international payments in their own currency. What will it mean? The fact that the demand for dollars will fall sharply - as a means for foreign trade, it ceases to be necessary. But the dollar mass, which throughout the world at least ... ummm .... eat with your seat, will not go anywhere.
      In conditions when the supply of dollars remains at the same level, and the demand drops sharply, what happens? That's right, devaluation. Those. The dollar begins to fall sharply in price against the currencies of other countries.
      And now - look - a bunch of countries keep their reserve funds in dollars and other American "priceless" securities. And against the backdrop of a fall in the value of the dollar, their reserves will also fall in price ... Naturally, who will like it? Countries will sharply reduce their dollar savings (throwing them into the market and further increasing the supply - and hence the rate of devaluation), willing to lend to the US will sharply decrease - who cares if the US debts are counted in constantly falling dollars?
      In this case, the dollar will cease to be a world currency, the huge masses of dollars that provide today's world trade will be "returned" to the United States - and this will be more hyperinflation than ours in the 90s ...
      1. Eraser
        Eraser 19 September 2012 11: 46
        -1
        If countries begin to actively switch to settlements in their own currencies, it will be chaos in which central banks will set the exchange rate of their currencies in relation to others, depending on the balance of payments. That is why reserve currencies, the dollar, euro, pound, etc. are needed. .Do not want to "support" the dollar? Already now it is possible to translate payments for oil in yen, for example, before and with the song.
        In conditions when the supply of dollars remains at the same level, and the demand drops sharply, what happens? That's right, devaluation. Those. The dollar begins to fall sharply in price against the currencies of other countries.

        Given the size of the US economy and the fact that not all countries in the world dream of the United States bending, this will lead to the fact that, for example, Ukraine, selling something to China for a billion yuan, will be able to exchange these yuan for cheaper dollars, buy much more goods in USA. This is beneficial for the USA and a loss for China. It is not for nothing that the USA constantly criticizes China for artificially lowering the renminbi than making its export much more competitive.
        And now - look - a bunch of countries keep their reserve funds in dollars and other American "priceless" securities. And against the backdrop of a fall in the value of the dollar, their reserves will also fall in price ... Naturally, who will like it? Countries will sharply reduce their dollar savings (throwing them into the market and further increasing the supply - and hence the rate of devaluation), willing to lend to the US will sharply decrease - who cares if the US debts are counted in constantly falling dollars?
        , and then you tell these countries and not only countries, but all private traders, in what then should they keep their "money"? Really in gold? Or maybe in yuan?
        1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
          Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 September 2012 17: 07
          +1
          Quote: Eraser
          Given the size of the US economy and the fact that not all countries in the world dream about the US being bent

          See, you asked
          Quote: Eraser
          Why does the ability to make calculations when selling oil in RMB means the death of the USA?

          And I answered you. And now you raise a completely different question - what will happen to the world after the fall of the United States. These are slightly different questions :)))
          I will tell you the following - humanity has already outgrown the world financial system, in which the world currency is the monetary unit of one country. I agree with you that the fall of the United States will cause a crisis much worse than 2008, but what can be done here? Today's system of world finance is essentially a system of robbing the planet in favor of the golden billion and especially the part of it that lives in the United States. She has been stable for a long time, but she cannot stay that way forever. In fact, the very possibility of the redistribution of benefits due to the fact that your currency - the world currency - corrupts. As well as an economic system in which high-tech production "flees" from the country - the economic leader.
          Alas, we are on the verge of great transformations. I do not know when they will happen - next year or in 50 years, but I have no doubt that the world will face a new unrest. Certainly the world will survive it and it will only get better :))) But at what price ...
          1. Novosibirsky
            Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 15
            0
            Quote: Andrey from Chelyabinsk
            Alas, we are on the verge of great transformations. I do not know when they will be accomplished - next year or in 50 years, but I have no doubt that the world expects a new unrest. Of course, the world will survive it and it will only get better

            Well said ...
            Especially this one!
            Of course, the world will survive it and it will only get better

            hi
    2. mongoose
      mongoose 19 September 2012 11: 02
      +2
      it’s very simple that to buy a barrel of oil, now everyone is forced to first buy a dollar, and then change it for oil, the Fed includes a machine tool, the US budget spends printed money to build an aircraft carrier.
      if you remove the dollar from the chain, then the FRS wrappers on FIGs do not need anyone, and the aircraft carrier has nothing to contain
      1. Andrei from Chelyabinsk
        Andrei from Chelyabinsk 19 September 2012 11: 37
        +1
        Very simplified, but fundamentally true. laughing
      2. Eraser
        Eraser 19 September 2012 11: 59
        0
        Well, maybe it’s still not quite “buy” the dollar, if the FRS included a machine for the entire turnover of $ 30 trillion a year, then the Amazon forests would shrink much faster. And you can still remove the dollar from the chain now, as I wrote above.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 19 September 2012 11: 15
      0
      Quote: Eraser
      why the ability to make calculations when selling oil in RMB means the death of the United States?

      The end of dollar despotism, and if the dollar is completely abandoned or even partly the American bubble bursts, economists will justify.
    4. Vadivak
      Vadivak 19 September 2012 11: 15
      +1
      Quote: Eraser
      why the ability to make calculations when selling oil in RMB means the death of the United States?


      Since 1970, the dollar has not been provided with gold; President Richard Nixon and his global fellow Secretary of State Henry Kissinger knew that the rejection of the gold standard would hit the demand for the American dollar in the international market. Maintaining “artificial demand for dollars” was a vital prerequisite for continuing to increase US spending on “welfare and opposition”.

      As a result of a series of negotiations, the United States in the person of the then Secretary of State - Henry Kissinger and the Saudi royal family concluded a major agreement. The authors who contributed most to the study of the origin of petrodollar include: Richard Duncan, William Clark, David Spiro, Charles Guayette and Engdahl.

      The Americans outlined their conditions. They were simple, and there were only two of them:

      1) The Saudis had to price their oil only in US dollars. In other words, they were not supposed to sell oil for any other currency than the US dollar.

      2) Saudi Arabia was required to be willing to invest surplus profits from oil deals in US debt securities.

      Today, virtually all oil deals in the world are concluded in US dollars. Selling oil for dollars allows America to print dollars to buy it, and then the same money will go back, having settled in Western banks in the form of debt bonds if you have to pay what you owe and what ?
    5. novik225
      novik225 19 September 2012 11: 50
      0
      oil is sold for dollars. If you want to buy oil, first buy for this amount of dollars. There is a demand for oil - there is a demand for dollars.
    6. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 13
      0
      If very, very short, literally in three words: security + credit of trust, point))
  16. denkastro
    denkastro 19 September 2012 10: 28
    -1
    It is strange that those who fancied themselves and criticized the foreign and domestic policies of the current GDP did not know anything about this. Do they believe and listen only to the Western media? They have been talking about these agreements for two years now (more precisely, about preparing them) .And in early September, everyone This info went through to the state channels, though without which it was presented with pathos. Besides everything else, the whole place is there. The union will trade with China for yuan-rubles. And yet, Russia has recently been buying gold in huge quantities for the ZV reserve. Right but alarming steps .Very, very reluctant s.
  17. vezunchik
    vezunchik 19 September 2012 10: 41
    0
    And we, as always, are in the back ... and we ourselves could ... Eh, ...
  18. Law
    Law 19 September 2012 10: 50
    0
    This duet of the two most powerful opponents of the US economy and the US empire

    The United States is looking for enemies everywhere, except for its foreign and domestic policies and one should not be surprised that Russia and China are plotting against the main human rights activists, how is it that we are sowing freedom and good, and you are Ruble and Yuan to us!
  19. Horla
    Horla 19 September 2012 10: 58
    0
    Something I did not hear that our kololitsii and pompous guys from the Duma rushed to sell their property and close their accounts in the states.
  20. Genera
    Genera 19 September 2012 11: 00
    +1
    The collapse of the US dollar is still a long way off. There are so many countries and people with whom they have accumulated and imagine, you are sitting on a railway train full of dollars and they tell you well, all bro, let's get off your wagon, now we are selling bread for yuan. What is left for you to run to the one who gave you these dollars and while you are running you realize that they will just say to you: "You are a fool." So you think to say: yes, you go with your yuan, for now I’m not badly buying bread from the Saudis for dollars. So these fools sit on their cars and are afraid to be left with nothing and they themselves understand that they are FOOLS.
  21. Averias
    Averias 19 September 2012 12: 03
    +2
    Although I have already said something, I will repeat myself. No matter how all these oppositionists and other brothers and especially our Western "friends" shout. Our answer to "Chamberlain" is not far off, V.V., Putin, taught by the mistakes of the past government, has drawn conclusions and is slowly implementing his own (only he knows the plan "with respect to the United States and world hegemons. And this plan is slowly starting to work.) When the US credit rating fell - Few people attached importance to this, but in vain. This is undoubtedly part of the plan, active interaction with China and a number of other states is also part of the plan. After all, many countries which the West does not take into account actively support us. So gradually the scales begins to outweigh in our direction.
  22. Limonad
    Limonad 19 September 2012 18: 29
    0
    and the collapse of the dollar can not be useful to America? After all, the public debt will depreciate, if so at 10. It can immediately be repaid.
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 26
      0
      I think the interests of America should be distinguished from the interests of American business. Spit business on ordinary Americans. It is possible that they are glad that they will devalue the dollar! That's just what the American people will say, at once impoverished to the port ... Perhaps millions of plastic coffins will not be superfluous ...
      1. Arkan
        Arkan 20 September 2012 05: 52
        0
        Quote: NovoSibirets
        That's just what the American people will say.

        For a year now, a joke has been circulating on American forums calling for the so-called “buck” to be put into circulation (however, different names are proposed), and the dollar - to leave the US government together with debts.
  23. Cynic
    Cynic 19 September 2012 19: 08
    0
    Just info
    On September 7, an agreement was signed between China and Russia, in which Russia actually agreed to sell oil to China in any quantities for the yuan.


    Date Course Change
    20.09 30,8634 –0,0161
    19.09 30,8795 0,2928
    18.09 30,5867 –0,2314
    15.09 30,8181 –0,5811
    14.09 31,3992 –0,0788
    13.09 31,4780 –0,2988
    12.09 31,7768 0,0547
    11.09 31,7221 –0,2921
    08.09 32,0142 –0,1856
    07.09 32,1998 –0,2610
    wink
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 27
      0
      And for those "who are on an armored train", can you somehow understand your idea more clearly?
    2. Cynic
      Cynic 20 September 2012 12: 32
      0
      On the sun
      Date Course Change
      21.09 31,5758 0,7124

      One hundred pounds, our central bank intervened, after all, losses, and did they change the currency corridor in vain?
      Like 32,15-38,15 rubles
  24. Novosibirsky
    Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 19
    0
    In short, guys, I’ve got five Baku mowers lying around here! I’ll go and ban her in my native wooden ones! laughing laughing laughing
  25. older
    older 19 September 2012 19: 23
    0
    Quote: NovoSibirets

    In short, guys, I’ve got five Baku mowers lying around here! I’ll go and ban her in my native wooden ones! laughing laughing laughing

    Okay, drag 1 to me: I'll take 1, but don’t disappear to you .... winked
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 30
      0
      Sinister! laughing laughing laughing
      One to one - this is the course "Water World" !!!
      wassat
  26. older
    older 19 September 2012 19: 34
    0
    good, I’ll come here, it’s not far away. drinks
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 19: 59
      0
      Quote: older
      discuss


      I will be glad, dear! At the rate of the Bank Acceptance on October 10, 2012! )) Not cheaper! laughing laughing
      And by the way, take the "fuel" with you! You have "Osh" there! laughing drinks
      In ancient times, delicious vodka was ...

      What can I say, and we did good vodka for export at VINAP ... They were the prime ones, remember?


      Here is a Jew, yes, not a Siberian ?! laughing And at the evil rate, and take vodka with you .. !! laughing laughing laughing Oh, I can’t ...
  27. older
    older 19 September 2012 20: 15
    +1
    Angry you, I’ll vodka myself, I’ve squeezed some 5 pieces ... for repair, the color for the wallpaper matches me. Osh-trash. You’re also called a Siberian. Among other things, when Siberia plays (not with us), the whole of Omsk is rooting for it yes
    1. Novosibirsky
      Novosibirsky 19 September 2012 21: 18
      0
      Quote: older
      You’re angry, I’ll vodka myself, I clamped some 5 pieces ...

      laughing
      Land, killed! ))) laughing laughing laughing
      Quote: older
      I clamped 5 pieces ... for repair, the color for the wallpaper matches me.

      And don’t say, I didn’t hint for the future - October 10! I have the 11th deal, very decent, I’m buying a hut for my mom! I decided to respect my darling, so there are also stretch green ceilings! )) Sorry, the very thing! Only at the rate, Kent! laughing laughing laughing
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      .OSHA-rubbish

      Yeah, we all noticed here too, buddy! Nobody drinks it, they make it from Chinese alcohol .. I thought maybe it’s something different in your house ... That’s the trouble .. We will be "Talka" and "Belenkaya" is supposed to break the fast ...))
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      You’re also called a Siberian. Among other things, when Siberia plays (not with us), the whole of Omsk cheers for it

      And who do you think we root for when Vanguard plays? !! We are so sick that our teeth are already wearing off !!! hi drinks
      For you, but for Magnitogorsk! ))))
      1. Cynic
        Cynic 20 September 2012 12: 23
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        Nobody drinks it, they do it with Chinese alcohol.

        Nope, just all the pilot series do as expected, and then ...
        Mostly save on cleaning so that they in hell dance on the hottest pan! I don’t doubt that they will get there a bit!
        drinks
  28. mbcy
    mbcy 20 September 2012 14: 09
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    Many countries are so keen to break away from dollar dependence that they are already introducing their own mutual settlement systems, excluding the dollar. However, in all these local schemes, there is one big “BUT”.

    All of them are nothing more than PROFANATION. As well as the rejection of the dollar in mutual settlements between Russia and China, which, too (unfortunately) is PROFANATION.

    Such settlement systems are profanation because the mutual settlement instrument is NOT IMPORTANT in itself. The instrument of these electronic settlements for oil and other goods can be any currency, even the Mongolian Tugrik.

    In this case, the most important tool for quoting these mutual settlements (!), Which in all mutual settlements of these countries, is still the US petrodollar.

    No matter how these countries call their currencies, accepted between them for mutual settlements and so that they do not invent, they will still quote the exchange rate of these currencies and the value of the goods traded for them in US petrodollars. Even in the mind, even bypassing the direct conversion of its settlement currency into petrodollars. But nevertheless, the reference point in all mutual settlements of these countries, de facto remains the US dollar - as some generally accepted monetary and quoted equivalent - as a "reference measure of value."
    And this means that, through the dollar exchange rate as its national currency, the United States retains its economic power over these countries and can still influence the economy, and therefore the policies of these countries.

    The only way for all colonized countries to get out of slave economic dependence before Washington is to start trading oil for gold. Gold-Oil Bundle - this will be Shah and Checkmate to Washington.

    If Russia received at least 10% of its foreign exchange earnings from the sale of oil and gas not in dollars, euros or yuan, but in physical gold, we would be richer today.
    1. GP
      GP 21 September 2012 02: 53
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      There is EURO. And that is the biggest BUT - the ability to push the United States away from tidbits of the world economy, due to the ubiquity of the dollar, in fact the states were present everywhere. Europe is trying to get out of the dollar dependence of a single currency, Asia is trying to expose the yuan as an analogue of the euro in mutual settlements on transactions in the Asia-Pacific region. Our GDP stubbornly bends the policy of the Europe-Asia bridge, where Euro-yuan will be converted and the physical movement of the masses of goods will be carried out. Collapse of the dollar is not profitable for very many, a lot of contracts and strategies for the future are focused on it and until they carry out any adjustment to the circumstances, everything will happen on the brakes.