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At the "Severnaya Verf" told about the consequences of the fire on the corvette "Provorny"

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The fire at the Severnaya Verf shipyard caused significant damage to the Project 20385 corvette Provorny under construction. According to the press service of the enterprise, the ship's superstructure was damaged.


The fire that broke out on Friday at the "Severnaya Verf" area of ​​400 square meters. meters damaged the upper deck of the corvette, the ship's superstructure suffered the most. The company’s message does not contain detailed information about the damage, it says about the creation of a special commission, which will assess the damage caused. It will include representatives of USC and Severnaya Verf.

Judging by the photos posted on social networks, the damage will be significant, except for the superstructure itself, the fire also affected the universal launchers. The photos posted on Twitter show the burned-out UKSK 3S14 (universal ship firing complex), the sunken deck of the ship. Earlier it was reported that the Project 20385 corvette "Provorny" was supposed to become part of the Navy at the end of 2022, now the deadline will be shifted significantly to the right, by how much the commission will determine after assessing the damage.


Recall that a fire on a corvette under construction broke out on Friday at 18:22. By 22:49, the fire was localized over an area of ​​400 square meters. meters, extinguishing and pouring were carried out until 9:00 am on Saturday. The fire was assigned the 4th level of difficulty. During the extinguishing, two firefighters were injured, who were taken to the hospital in a state of moderate and mild severity. There were no casualties among the workers of Severnaya Verf.

According to preliminary information, the cause of the fire was a violation of safety rules. It is under this article that a criminal case has been initiated, the exact reasons will be established by the commission.
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  1. SaLaR
    SaLaR 19 December 2021 11: 59
    +32
    This is a complete well ..... No. One spark and all to waste ..........
    1. 210ox
      210ox 19 December 2021 12: 24
      +40
      What happens if something larger than a spark gets into the ships of this series? Is it a question of the survivability of the ship itself and the lives of the crew?
      1. krot
        krot 19 December 2021 12: 29
        +41
        In my opinion, it is unlikely to be restored .. And the metal after such a "heat treatment" will not serve well. It will rot if you don't make some modifications to it, but I suspect it's expensive.
        1. Piramidon
          Piramidon 19 December 2021 13: 58
          -14
          Quote: krot
          In my opinion, it is unlikely to be restored .. And the metal after such a "heat treatment" will not serve well. It will rot if you don't make some modifications to it, but I suspect it's expensive.

          According to the reports, the hull was not damaged, the insides did not burn. So, you need to start all over again, by launching the hull into the water.
          1. TermNachTer
            TermNachTer 19 December 2021 15: 35
            +1
            Isn't the UVP in the building? The add-in can be changed. The piece of deck that was burning will also have to be changed.
          2. bayard
            bayard 20 December 2021 01: 27
            +9
            It burned all night - the entire superstructure burned down and collapsed, the insides burned too, look at the condition of the deck. It's just a pile of twisted and tempered metal.
            Only write-offs and junk.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 19 December 2021 14: 04
          +9
          You're right. It is a pity that indifference and carelessness destroyed many works and funds.
        3. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 December 2021 15: 02
          +10
          Yes, there the entire hull is deformed from such a fire - here, from the moment of the fire, or rather its sounded area, it was clear that the Severnaya Verf Khan's corps got into big bucks.
          1. bayard
            bayard 20 December 2021 01: 45
            +10
            And the entire top management of USC and Severnaya Verf should have gotten to the grandmother, and with confiscation. Their ships and vessels are constantly burning, docks are sinking, and dry ones are not being built, and all construction deadlines are BROKEN.
            And the blame for everything is IMPUNITY!
            All over the vertical and not only in this industry.
      2. shonsu
        shonsu 19 December 2021 12: 49
        -2
        I wanted to put a minus and poked a plus.
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 19 December 2021 15: 49
          +4
          Quote: shonsu
          I wanted to put a minus and poked a plus.

          So poke the other way around.
          1. shonsu
            shonsu 30 December 2021 00: 52
            0
            Then he wrote "you have already put the mark", but now he poked. Weird.
            1. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 30 December 2021 10: 33
              0
              Quote: shonsu
              Then he wrote "you have already put the mark", but now he poked. Weird.

              This means that you have already checked in for this post.
      3. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 19 December 2021 12: 57
        +3
        Quote: 210ox
        What happens if something larger than a spark gets into the ships of this series? Is it a question of the survivability of the ship itself and the lives of the crew?

        I suppose there was a supply of paint and varnish on deck that helped. It is unlikely that they will be stored there during operation.
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 19 December 2021 13: 24
          +11
          There is good news and there is bad ...
          Of the bad: the ship was painted, there was a lot of paint on it, if not sabotage, then most likely a spark from a heat gun or something like that. Welding shouldn't have been there. Composites.
          Of the good ones: no rest in peace, no radar has been installed yet. Electronic warfare too. Lucky.
          According to preliminary estimates, the deck was badly damaged, the rest of the hull, most likely, survived.
          1. exo
            exo 19 December 2021 19: 43
            0
            If it was built for ten years before the state "before the fire", then the restoration will take another five years, at least. It is possible that they will simply write off.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 19 December 2021 19: 45
              0
              For now, we can only hope for the best.
              At first it seemed that everything was lost.
              1. exo
                exo 19 December 2021 19: 53
                +1
                It's just that the story with "Kuznetsov" evokes painful thoughts. The burned-out minesweeper of the "Alexandrite" type was also restored for a long time.
                1. Alex777
                  Alex777 19 December 2021 19: 55
                  +4
                  Bonhomme Richard and did not restore ...
              2. Glagol1
                Glagol1 19 December 2021 20: 34
                +3
                No, not for the best. For cancellation. He is also
                place takes. There is something capacious in the Russian language - we have arrived!
            2. bayard
              bayard 20 December 2021 01: 51
              +2
              Quote: exo
              If it was built for ten years before the state "before the fire", then the restoration will take another five years, at least. It is possible that they will simply write off.

              They'll just write it off. The northern shipyard is not capable of building quickly, something is burning regularly on it and deadlines are always missed. The ship burned all night and the hull was probably released - the first storm would break it to pieces if they decide to repair and finish building.
              If the engines (which is unlikely) and gearboxes survived, then at least the gearboxes and propellers can be removed and used on a new ship. With the rest - hardly.
        2. 210ox
          210ox 19 December 2021 14: 07
          +5
          In general, on any ship there is something to burn. And so, yes, the stocks of paint and everything attached to it probably "helped".
        3. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 19 December 2021 17: 17
          +5
          Quote: Mountain Shooter
          supplies of paintwork on deck helped.

          this is a fake = an attempt to hide the sabotage .... no one painted anything there, and before April it was pointless on the street under the wet snow in St. Petersburg .... who could place paints there, but not for painting, but for arson? mind you at the factory they can steal, so no one in their right mind will start to take out rather expensive accountable paints from the pantries a few months before the actual use ... by April everything there would have already moved to the dachas of the employees .. it is obvious that the paints were specially moved to the ship for arson , in a dark month .... In spring it is light, someone would definitely notice the arsonists, there would be painters and just passing workers from other workshops would see everything ... there was probably no heating in the corvette, ..

          here are the data on the most common and cheap paint, but sea enamels are much more demanding on the conditions of application and demanding for operation (not a gate in gardening), that is, again, application technologies

          The minimum air temperature when applying PF-115 enamel is + 5 degrees Celsius. The enamel must be at the same temperature as the surface to be painted, otherwise condensation will form. After painting at low temperatures, the enamel dries for a long time, up to 10 days ...

          The manufacturer itself, which produces PF paint, declares that the most optimal conditions for using paint are - a dry surface, a calm atmosphere and the temperature of the ambient air and surfaces from +15 to +22 degrees Celsius. It is within these limits that the recommended temperature lies at which the solvent of this paint behaves properly - it does not thicken and does not evaporate too quickly, and therefore the coating hardens evenly, without smudges and streaks.
          1. Letun
            Letun 20 December 2021 13: 25
            +2
            On this wall of text I would like to ask:
            A saboteur came to the chemical warehouse and said to the storekeeper: "Mikhalna, give me 1500 kg of enamel, I'll drag it to the deck for now. Well, what's the time to lose it until April? .."
            And the storekeeper was like this: "Of course, saboteur, take it on your health. I don't need any demand, I can see from my eyes that you are a good person."
            And the saboteur on a dark December night begins to drag paint onto the deck ...
            Do you imagine that? laughing
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 20 December 2021 14: 20
              +1
              Quote: Letun
              A saboteur came to the chemical warehouse and said to the storekeeper: "Mikhalna, give me 1500 kg of enamel, I'll drag it to the deck for now. Well, what's the time to lose it until April? .."
              And the storekeeper was like this: "Of course, saboteur, take it on your health. I don't need any demand, I can see from my eyes that you are a good person."
              And the saboteur on a dark December night begins to drag paint onto the deck ...
              Do you imagine that?

              I think the shipyard management is involved
      4. Stas157
        Stas157 19 December 2021 13: 00
        -3
        Everything burns, falls, and explodes underground ... The fault is all the human factor, non-compliance with safety standards, or, more precisely, the quality of management and the responsibility of managers.
        I do not believe that the situation can be corrected under the current government. Because this power has never been distinguished by responsibility.
        1. Stepan S
          Stepan S 19 December 2021 13: 22
          -11
          I do not believe that the situation can be corrected under the current government.

          Well, yes, as usual - Putin is to blame that the conventional welder Stas, Vasya, Petya decided to weld something during the painting work.
          1. mihai_md2003
            mihai_md2003 19 December 2021 14: 08
            +10
            So you have to pay more and Vasya will value his work more, and if not, then the right Vasya will come for a good salary.
            1. Alexander Popov_1963
              Alexander Popov_1963 19 December 2021 14: 21
              -5
              Have you ever managed a team of at least 10 conditional Vasya?
              1. Ross xnumx
                Ross xnumx 19 December 2021 14: 34
                +7
                Quote: Alexander Popov_1963
                Have you ever managed a team of at least 10 conditional Vasya?

                And what are you doing here? I can also ask you a similar question, what is the difference between managing a country and managing a collective?
                It's not about the number of people being managed, but about the quality of management - the ability to understand the essence of the task and know how to accomplish it. Today everyone strives to own ... Read where the rot comes from:
                "For 20 years he walked through people." What is known about the arrested owner of Listvyazhnaya
                https://www.sibreal.org/a/chto-izvestno-ob-arestovannom-vladeltse-listvyazhnoy/31612286.html
                1. your1970
                  your1970 19 December 2021 15: 20
                  0
                  Quote: ROSS 42
                  It's not about the number of people being managed, but about the quality of management - the ability to understand the essence of the task at hand and know how to accomplish it.

                  There was such a country, the USSR, there was an army in it, which was controlled with high quality, with an understanding of the essence, tasks and methods of its implementation ...

                  Probably....

                  And then ... bdysh - and Rust sits on Red Square ...
                  And it's great that he flew in a plane - not a hundred other cruise missiles, or he - but with a nuclear warhead ...
                  They just publicly disgraced themselves all over the world after the slogans about "Our air defense is the most analogous in the world !!!"
                  1. Ross xnumx
                    Ross xnumx 19 December 2021 15: 58
                    +5
                    Quote: your1970
                    And then ... bdysh - and Rust sits on Red Square ...

                    This "vigil" did not just happen. I had a conversation with the head of the air defense unit. Do you think that the operator cannot distinguish a small-sized aerial target from a bomber? The violation was recorded, but no one gave the order to destroy. In addition, how do you imagine a situation when the wreckage of an aircraft (it doesn't matter which one) would fall in a densely populated area. We had perestroika ... And then there was a reason to shake up the communist leadership of the Armed Forces and the air defense forces in particular ...
                    Judging by the declared characteristics, the air defense systems are of sufficient reliability. Those specialists who continue to serve also speak about this. The essence is in the work of the military-industrial complex under the leadership of millionaires. What can Mr. Chemezov be worried about? Only about the amounts of signed contracts.
                    According to my forecasts, some kind of internal turmoil is being started - a kind of "civil strife". And all these accidents are the result of negligence and carelessness. in a bourgeois state, simple hard workers are not needed by anyone.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 19 December 2021 16: 28
                      -2
                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      The violation was recorded, but no one gave the order to destroy.

                      What if it has a nuclear warhead?
                      A lovely picture - an unknown plane is flying, it is not known that it is lucky and all the ssat give the order to shoot down ...
                      How is this different from this fire? Yes, nothing !!!
                      Everyone cared about it - "Pushchay Maskva decides - and then suddenly we will be mistaken !!!"

                      In a normal situation, he should have been identified as a stranger BEFORE the border, and 50 kilometers away (so that they would not have gotten off that by accident !!) from the border, like an unidentified enemy. From a cannon or simply making a turn around with a gas tank, he would have killed himself on the ground. would..
                      Failed? Should have already brought down the air defense of Moscow without question.
                      Nobody knew - that he was lucky ...
                      Air defense systems may have been good, but the operators ...
                      The result is an embarrassment for the whole world,

                      Quote: ROSS 42
                      And all these accidents are the result of negligence and carelessness.

                      I agree here - all major accidents, fires and catastrophes in the USSR were also in the bulk from indifference
                      By and large, people don't change ...
                      1. vovochkarzhevsky
                        vovochkarzhevsky 19 December 2021 18: 02
                        +1
                        And if he was carrying cartridges? What, itching to show your ignorance? And nothing that there were foreign flights to the same Moscow? And in the same Boeing 747, you can stuff more than one vigorous bomb? So, it was necessary to shoot down.
                        And at least you can guess what it is?

                      2. your1970
                        your1970 19 December 2021 18: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        And nothing that there were foreign flights to the same Moscow? And in the same Boeing 747, you can stuff more than one vigorous bomb?

                        You are the difference between passenger(!!!!) trip (!!!!) board about which there is a lot of information and incomprehensible unidentified perdimonocles ( which we also lost while escorting !!!) do you understand ????
                        A little earlier, the South Korean plane was quite legally shot down - and no one cared that there could be passengers !!!!!
                        And then they just screwed up stupidly ...

                        Z. could not have bothered - I still won't see your text, scanned small print ten times on my phone.
                      3. vovochkarzhevsky
                        vovochkarzhevsky 20 December 2021 15: 42
                        0
                        Unlike you, the couch warrior, I can imagine it very well. And I will even reveal to you the "military secret", it is not, we are talking about a civilian aircraft.
                        And you are stupidly lying claiming about an unidentified plane.
                        Here he is.

                        As you can see, the registration numbers are in place and quite readable.
                        As for your point of view, these are excerpts from the "Manual on the Interception of Civil Aircraft" from ICAO, whose decisions were obligatory for the USSR as well.
                        It is online, read it and you will be happy. Personally, at one time, I knew the excerpts from it by heart, because I had to be on duty in the air defense system.
                      4. your1970
                        your1970 20 December 2021 20: 44
                        -1
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        As you can see, the registration numbers are in place and quite readable.
                        the board with these numbers had the right to be in the air near Moscow? Yes or no?


                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        because I had to be on duty in the air defense system.

                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        sofa warrior,

                        Do you know the difference between me and you?
                        You - unlike me - received a monetary allowance, uniforms, apartments, a large pension, sanatoriums and other buns - so that Rust NOT flew by.
                        The air defense proved to be unable to prevent / stop its flight.
                        That is, all investments in air defense are worthlessly profiled means ...

                        Intercede further for generals who are unable to resolve the issue in 6 hours and take responsibility for themselves
                      5. vovochkarzhevsky
                        vovochkarzhevsky 21 December 2021 13: 43
                        0
                        Forgive me, but you don't even have logical thinking at all. If, in your opinion, there could be a nuclear warhead, then such an action can only be carried out by a state possessing a nuclear weapon.
                        Then immediately the question is - why the hell are there such difficulties with a light-engine aircraft that could not fly?
                        When it is easier in this case, since you have already decided on a sudden nuclear strike, to place these weapons on a regular plane, of which there will definitely not be any suspicions.
                        At least you can comprehend this with your philistine brains.
                        As for Rust, he was detained, convicted and served time.
                        Or does your sofa soul thirst for blood, in violation of the obligations assumed (USSR)?
                      6. your1970
                        your1970 21 December 2021 14: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        As for Rust, he was detained, convicted and served time.

                        On the ground, after 6 hours of flight and where from the border ...
                        If we proceed from your logic, all border violators will be caught somewhere somewhere ... what for then the border guards were kept?
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        Then immediately the question is - why the hell are there such difficulties with a light-engine aircraft that could not fly?
                        When it is easier in this case, since you have already decided on a sudden nuclear strike, to place these weapons on a regular plane, of which there will definitely not be any suspicions.

                        Unlike you, I understand perfectly well the unsuitability for this large aircraft
                        1) that the chances of flying uncontrollably are many times greater on Cessna than on Airbus - that Rust's flight proved 100%.
                        2) it is difficult to lose it, unlike Tsesna - that Rust's flight proved 100%.
                        3) all airfields are at least a couple of tens of kilometers away from Moscow / the Kremlin. If the B-7 ... would have flooded to the Kremlin instead of Sheremetyev, our generals would probably start to move ... but that's not for sure ...
                        4) The USSR periodically violated its international obligations. Like all states of that time. Everyone modestly covered their eyes.

                        Z. simple for me OF THE ORDINARY(as you contemptuously call all citizens of the USSR) - it was a shock.
                        And the undermining of faith in our security, which the collapse of the USSR actually confirmed - the generals were unable to defend it.
                        Just like taking responsibility for the flight a little earlier ...
                        If you do not understand this at all, continue to mumble about ICAO and the inability to shoot it down
                      7. gjkrjdybr50
                        gjkrjdybr50 19 December 2021 19: 44
                        -1
                        your 1970, well, why are you trying to get into the area where you don’t understand anything? Or do you think that the company commander, who discovered Rust before he crossed the state border, should have destroyed him from the ZPU? Or the pilot of the duty shift of the Tapa regiment had to take off and ram the intruder himself? Do you have any idea how much howl would have been in the West if Rust had been shot down? It may be so good that he flew unharmed, but it would only be worthwhile to press him and plant him somewhere near Bezhetsk or Andriapol. but it didn't work.
                        You, young man, at that time still 18 did not happen, and on a profile site you are trying to reason on an equal basis with adults. As they say, hares used to be more modest.
                      8. your1970
                        your1970 19 December 2021 21: 05
                        -1
                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        Well, why are you getting into that area where you don't understand anything?

                        It is quite enough for me that an UNIDENTIFIED AIRCRAFT WITH UNKNOWN LOADING OF VILLAGES IN AN AREA CLOSED FOR FLIGHTS FIVE STEPS FROM THE KREMLIN ...
                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        the company commander, who discovered Rust before he crossed the state border, had to destroy him from the ZPU? Or the pilot of the duty shift of the Tapa regiment had to take off and ram the intruder himself?

                        Do not you understand or show off the cool pro pounding ???? !!!!!
                        We should and should have shot down ...
                        I don't care about how they had to knock him down - even with a slingshot, even with his head against him in flight ...
                        It MAIN and ONLY the task of air defense is so that only objects allowed for flight are in the air. ALL ...
                        It is for this that they are fed, dressed and paid ...
                        And painting the grass and explaining why Rust flew by to paint is already the tenth thing ...

                        Few of the guilty were removed - they had to be shot to the same mother for such a shame of the country. Who wants, when he wants, where he wants to fly 6 (!!!!!!!!!!!) hours, and the air defense officers pick the goats in the nose and explain -why they couldn't do a damn thing.
                        As they sang all over the country - "The border is locked !!!!", people believed in the army and here you are - Rust ... I was 17 - and I was shocked "How could our mighty army allow this to happen ???? How????"
                        Shameful ...


                        If it doesn't reach you, it was after this disgrace that the people stopped believing in our army.

                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        As they say, hares used to be more modest.
                        here, another formula about air defense is more appropriate: "Icho is a veal business - you got shit and stop ..."
                      9. gjkrjdybr50
                        gjkrjdybr50 22 December 2021 11: 54
                        -1
                        I'm actually an air defense pro and I'm not shy about talking about it. And you are a complete layman in these matters, and as you yourself say, "Don't you understand or are you showing off?" Do you know that after the Korean Boeing, by order of the Ministry of Defense, the use of weapons to kill on civilian sides was prohibited? You, so brave and decisive, did you even serve in the army? After all, you would be the first to start yelling that the boy was flying with a peace message, but he was killed.
                        And now, cases of border violation by such devices are not excluded. Air defense is tailored for combat targets, and not for plywood airplanes with brainless pilots. Something is not one of those who over the Baltic and the Black Sea are satisfied with provocations, even a meter deeper into our territory is not trying. And why would that be? But because he knows, they will land after the first warning.
                        For you, the formula is appropriate, keep silent, you will pass for smart, but do not forget the same about the modesty of hares.
                      10. your1970
                        your1970 22 December 2021 17: 55
                        -1
                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        ... And you are a complete layman in these matters

                        And I do not hide that I NOT PVOshnik - thank God! I have nothing to be ashamed of ...
                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        You, so brave and decisive, did you even serve in the army?

                        Mmm - did not try to read the opponent
                        Quote: your1970
                        Deployed from ReADN of my a howitzer regiment of 4 or 5 vehicles right behind the park. And within 2 hours they shot XNUMX BC of the entire battalion. Not along Turugundi - nearby ... but individual charges flew there. And then


                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        After all, you would be the first to start yelling that the boy was flying with a peace message, but he was killed.

                        I - yell ??? For this freak?
                        Quote: your1970
                        I was 17 - and I was shocked, "How could our mighty army allow such a thing ???? How ????"

                        Doesn't get it? I was shocked that his NOT shot down .... he should have quietly burned out on the ground - for it is not possible to fly to the USSR for anyone without the permission of the USSR
                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        And now, cases of border violation by such devices are not excluded. Air defense is tailored for combat targets, and not for plywood airplanes with brainless pilots.
                        that is what I wrote about above
                        Quote: your1970
                        The air defense proved to be unable to prevent / stop its flight.


                        Quote: your1970
                        As they sang all over the country - "The border is locked !!!!",
                        from your words and the story of Rust it follows that all the films of the USSR about our mighty air defense were nonsense ... oh sorry ... PROPAGANDA !!!!

                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        I am actually a pro
                        you are certainly a pro, I admit it ....
                        Only the Pro can shout "Yes, we spotted him, led him - but ICAO did not allow us to shoot him down !!!! And then we should use his slipper, slipper ..." .....
                        And then suddenly, inadvertently, blurt out (without even realizing that by doing this he refutes everything he had written before with these sentences !!)
                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        And now, cases of border violation by such devices are not excluded. Air defense is tailored for combat targets, and not for plywood airplanes with brainless pilots.


                        And yes ... I served 7 years ...
                        otherwise, the steepness of you splashes - from sitting for a long time in a safe warm place, in a bunker.

                        Looks like your colleague Bayard - at least tried to explain the reasons for this shame ...
                        And did not fall into hysterics - from the obvious facts
                      11. bayard
                        bayard 20 December 2021 03: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: your1970
                        What if it has a nuclear warhead?

                        And if it's a lost motor boat? smile
                        Quote: your1970
                        Lovely picture - an unknown plane is flying

                        yes
                        Quote: your1970
                        ssat give the order to shoot down ...

                        Why shoot him down if you can plant him? Such cases were not isolated. But when they shot down - a South Korean Boeing, for example, the whole world screamed and immediately began to deploy MRBMs and CDs in Europe.
                        Don't you remember that?
                        After that incident, in such cases, they blew on the water.
                        Quote: your1970
                        In a normal situation, he should have been identified as a stranger before the border, and about 50 kilometers

                        And they found it - 35 km away. from the coastline, as soon as from under the horizon "Tsesna" emerged. The company "Waterfall" of the Tallinn radio engineering brigade found it. smile
                        And she led. yes
                        The entire Tallinn brigade was leading to the full extent of its responsibility. smile
                        And the fighter was raised to intercept, identify and force the landing. yes
                        And intercepted. yes And he identified it - as a light-engine aircraft "similar to our Yak-52" - according to the pilot's report. yes
                        Here are just the speed of the fighter - the minimum, it was 450 km / h, and the "Tsesna" - 200 km / h. So a fighter flew over her at an overspeed of 250 km / h. In the meantime, I entered the second circle, the target is already gone ... In the air.
                        After analyzing the flight timing and the remaining fuel, he showed that for 2 hours the plane ... sat on the ground, sitting somewhere on the lawn ... and, by the way, waited for an arrest ... and then took off and went along the railway to Moscow.
                        At low altitude.
                        And he was again discovered and led - all the way to Moscow. Locally. They just thought that it was some kind of An-2 agricultural aviation dragging along. With the same purpose, they were no longer identified. And they led them with large dips - the radar field in the inner regions at low altitudes, even in the USSR, was not controlled by a continuous coverage. And when the Tsesna flew up to the Moscow Special District, there was a real mess in the air at low altitudes at that time - a day earlier, two military aircraft crashed in the Moscow region - Tu-22 and MiG-25, in a wooded area, And there is the second day flew 8 Mi-8 helicopters of the search and rescue service. We flew the second day, with landings, we did not return to the base, so the "crackers" in the identification system were not changed to new ones. Therefore, they flew with a signal "91" - without an identification signal.
                        Rust flew through this heap-mala. He was led, but mistaken for one of the search helicopters.
                        And then he sat down on Vasilyevsky Spusk.
                        How do I know this?
                        This was reported to us by a group of colonels from the Air Defense Headquarters and the General Staff, with a demonstration of all postings, timing and details.
                        And a few months later we had a chance to talk on this topic with the commander of the Tallinn PTV brigade, who also showed us all the wiring on a tablet, with details about the waterfall company.
                        And the bumps after that incident immediately flew - from the Minister of Defense, the Commander-in-Chief of Air Defense and a number of other people involved.
                        But there were no complaints about the commander of the Tallinn PTV brigade.
                        And after that, regular Mi-24 squadrons appeared in the border air defense formations - to intercept just such low-altitude and low-speed targets. And these helicopters were very useful in the future, so we managed with their help to prevent a terrorist attack with an attempt to blow up an oil and gas pipeline from Azerbaijan to Armenia - the attackers flew in 2 helicopters from Armenia, they already managed to tie the pipes with explosives, but did not manage to connect the detonators (backpack stayed next to them). They were frightened off by our helicopters and pursued them up to Stepanakert.
                        That was how it was.
                        Whether the target was high-altitude or faster, it would certainly be forced to land or shot down.
                        Why wasn't this plane searched further inland?
                        Yes, because they realized that the plane landed (it could have landed on any lawn) and the KGB was looking for an air hooligan on the ground.
                        And he sat down in Moscow.
                        The USSR showed its philanthropy - it did not shoot down a civilian light-engine aircraft. But the price of such politeness is accusations of the "non-readiness" of the air defense, which of course was not true. Hunchback just needed an excuse to cleanse the upper echelon of the Army.
                      12. your1970
                        your1970 20 December 2021 07: 24
                        -4
                        Quote: bayard
                        But the price of such politeness is accusations of "non-readiness" of the air defense, which of course was not true

                        Yes, it's true, unfortunately true - to this kind of objects The air defense was not ready.
                        And Rust confirmed it ... I would have been ready, he would not have flown

                        Quote: bayard
                        Hunchback just needed an excuse to cleanse the upper echelon of the Army.
                        -
                        So that there was a reason for the purge - he just had to hang the decision on the generals, which he most likely did

                        Quote: bayard
                        Whether the target was high-altitude or faster, it would certainly be forced to land or shot down.
                        what if it was a cruise missile? could you shoot it down? Or also - "They led the target, lost, thought AN-2, showed peacefulness !!"

                        Quote: bayard
                        The USSR showed its philanthropy - it did not shoot down a civilian light-engine aircraft.
                        all my adult life, I (all citizens of the USSR) were shown a movie about the mighty Soviet army, which is almost like enemy spies on hang-gliders and other evil spies on submarines - grunt and face into the ground ...
                        And then you grunt .... "Oh no, no grunts, oh, he's gone somewhere, oh, we thought it was an agricultural worker, oh ... Oh, he sits on the Kremlin ...
                        Well, we showed peacefulness, just in case ... Again, he would be like a Boeing, we would use him with one left .... "
                        Ugh, God forgive me !!!
                        What is the belief in the power of the armed forces after that ???? Some questions ...

                        Z. I'm even afraid to imagine - what would happen on the forum - if Rust flew in now ...
                      13. bayard
                        bayard 20 December 2021 09: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: your1970
                        Yes, this is true, unfortunately the truth - the air defense was not ready for this kind of objects.

                        Such objects were easily detected and could easily be shot down, but there was nothing to force them to land. Later, this issue was resolved by giving helicopter squadrons to air defense units.
                        Our decision to shoot down was not made so easily, especially after ... not even one civilian plane was shot down. Therefore, we have always tried to force people to land.
                        Quote: your1970
                        So that there was a reason for the purge - he just had to hang the decision on the generals, which he most likely did

                        Rust's flight itself was carefully prepared by British intelligence, and the ORIGINAL map from the Air Defense Headquarters with detection zones, switching schedules, positions of radio engineering units and air defense units was handed over to Margaret Thatcher by Gorbachev himself. How this happened was told by a number of senior military officials of that time, incl. General Ivashov.
                        And it is true .
                        Gorbach needed an excuse to change the military leadership, and the West needed an excuse to rattle about "the ineffectiveness of the Soviet air defense system." This was how the confidence of Soviet society in the State and its Army was undermined.
                        Gorbachev has been an agent of the British special services since 1966 ... and even a little earlier - from his student years.
                        Quote: your1970
                        what if it was a cruise missile? could you shoot it down? Or, too - "They led the target, lost, thought AN-2

                        The KR has a speed of 850 km / h and no one would confuse it with anything - they would have shot down at the very border, even with a fighter, or with the nearest S-125.
                        Quote: your1970
                        they showed a movie about the mighty Soviet army, which is almost like enemy spies on hang-gliders and other evil spies on submarines - grunts and snouts into the ground ...
                        And then grunt .... "

                        That was the calculation. Everything was carefully prepared on both sides. In Moscow, in the area of ​​Vasilyevsky Spusk, just a day before Rust, all the trolleybus wires were removed, clearing the landing site. And the operator was on duty to shoot the moment of landing.
                        Quote: your1970
                        oh he went somewhere, oh we thought it was a farmer,

                        The military has an order. They do nothing of their own accord. And after the South Korean Boeing, the commanders of the Air Defense Armies and even divisions were so scared to use weapons against violators that they did not make a decision at the local level. In addition, soon after crossing our border, Rust SEL.
                        He sat down on the ground.
                        And for two hours I sat on it, frightened by a fighter jet flying very close by. But the place was deserted, no one on the ground noticed him, and after 2 hours he took off and went along the railway.
                        If in the border zone of the RTV air defense missile they missed a target or incorrectly identified them, they would be put on trial by the Military Tribunal. But they continued to serve, despite an all-out check.
                        And if the air defense had helicopters, then they would intercept and plant them where necessary. And if he also sat down on the ground and hid, helicopters would just find him and take him warm.
                        Quote: your1970
                        Z. I'm even afraid to imagine - what would happen on the forum - if Rust flew in now ...

                        Since the mid-90s, such hooligans have been flying across the border as they wanted - when the country's Unified Air Defense System was abolished. In the Khabarovsk Territory, in the 00s, they caught such a farmer - he bought himself an An-2 without documents, he himself learned to fly ... according to a self-instruction manual, and ... flew every week for shopping in China.
                        Not caught yet.
                        So it was fixed for about a month +, they thought the indicator glitch ... and then the whole operation was carried out - the places were deaf, unpopulated, and the farmer ... was an ordinary ... dense and clinical.
                        And how quite a planes such as Yak-40, Tu-134 \ 154, neglected in the 90s, smuggled into Chechnya (for example).
                        Even today, it is much easier for a similar Rust to fly than then.
                        After all, Rust, already in 1990, once again tried to find a loophole and fly over, this time from a southerly direction. Loitering on his Tsesna along all the southern borders. They were also expecting him from Turkey, from Iran ... it seems that the Pakistani authorities had already arrested him and expelled him. But at that time, helicopters were already on duty at our borders ... and the helicopter pilots were those who were taken out of Afghanistan - super-professionals.
                        We were very much waiting for Rust then ... But British intelligence could not organize windows for him that way.
                      14. Osipov9391
                        Osipov9391 20 December 2021 16: 27
                        +2
                        The fact that it is easier for a similar Rust to fly today is yes.
                        Now on the Internet they sell all the parts of the L-150 Pastel and L-006 Birch stations of the earlier one.
                        Sell ​​legally from illiquid assets of design institutes and aircraft repair plants.
                        And there are no problems to install this miracle on the An-2. All schemes are in the public domain.
                        Set up and look for the "eye of a needle" in the radar field. Or even when irradiated by an AWACS / fighter aircraft, it will show everything.
                      15. vovochkarzhevsky
                        vovochkarzhevsky 20 December 2021 15: 51
                        +1
                        Enough already to carry nonsense. Rust's flight is a carefully planned provocation. And, as they say, a fork. When the air defense does not act, the media will still inflame hysteria.
                        Everything was calculated on the layman, like you, who does not care about the governing documents and international agreements.
                        Here we entered the air defense system according to laws and agreements. But the media raised the necessary wave, and then the pretenl Gorbachev decapitates the armed forces, under the "indignant cries" of ordinary people like you.
                        Shoot down the air defense of this plane, so that it was? The same media vied with each other to cite ICAO documents, would have worn with portraits of a pilot, who looked like a jerk, resented the bloodthirstiness of the councils, and Humpback still smashed the army.
                      16. your1970
                        your1970 20 December 2021 20: 21
                        -1
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        When the air defense does not act, the media will still inflame hysteria.

                        Yes. Only the question is what is the screeching of the Western media against the confidence of citizens in their army ...
                        Without knocking down Rust, the army lost the confidence of the citizens ...

                        And about the screeching of Western media ...
                        In the 1990s, Defense Minister Tanay mutinied in Afghanistan. In Turugundy, a unit took the side of the rebel (1300 people) - from our side in Kushka our division (!!!!) indicated up to 1600 (!!!!) people.
                        Weapons in warehouses for 2 divisions ..
                        They deployed 4 or 5 vehicles from the ReADN of my howitzer regiment right behind the park, and within 2 hours they shot XNUMX BC of the entire battalion. Not according to Turugundi - next..but individual charges flew there. And then 2 boards flew in - the planes passed between the hills and poured or sprinkled something on the hill near Turugundy. The sand on the hill was burning for almost a day .. I still don't know what it was ..
                        And that's all - like a grandmother whispered to the rebels ...
                        And on this side and on the other there were UN observers - less than during the withdrawal, but there were definitely a couple of people on both sides of the border ...
                        Nevertheless - no hysteria in the Western media - "Oh, the evil USSR shells the neighboring state during the day, there are many casualties among civilians. And then it will bomb a foreign country!" - did not arise. I at one time isksl specially - did not find anything about pacification

                        And the air defense got scared of a possible (???) hysteria of the Western media ...

                        Fly who wants where he wants when he wants - and no, no, or suddenly you have to answer
                        It's just a shame ..
                      17. vovochkarzhevsky
                        vovochkarzhevsky 21 December 2021 13: 35
                        0
                        Are you sure not? You have already poked your nose into the obligations that all ICAO member states have undertaken, but you continue to carry yours, - it seems to me so.
                      18. your1970
                        your1970 21 December 2021 14: 01
                        -2
                        Oh, how it clings to you ..... Conscience seems to torment you ...
                        That your generals screwed up, and I am expressing my claims to you ...
                        And you have to hide behind ICAO ...
                        Remind me only - Ukraine was not a member of ICAO - when did it crash a passenger plane during an exercise in the Black Sea? What responsibility did it bear?

                        At least 20 pieces of passenger aircraft in the world were shot down after this ... And?
                        Someone paid compensation, someone did not pay and scored

                        I will repeat myself - the generals of the Air Defense Forces did everything to the full. They were shot down, so at least there was no shame ...
                  2. vovochkarzhevsky
                    vovochkarzhevsky 19 December 2021 17: 43
                    +4
                    Where do you come from? What is air defense, what regulations were in force then, you have no concept of the word at all. And there, hurry up to insert your "wise" word.
                    1. your1970
                      your1970 19 December 2021 18: 01
                      -5
                      Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                      What is air defense, what regulations were in force then, you have no concept of the word at all

                      That is, as an expert (apparently) you can explain why you were not shot down or forced to land unidentified enemy saflies with an unknown load flying to Moscow for a very long time - almost 6 hours ?????
                      Come on, slide your version

                      Challenge:
                      . "In many ways, the troubles are rooted in ill-considered and unprofessional reorganization of the Air Defense Forces in 1978 It is possible to state with full grounds that if it had not been for 1978, then there would have been no events on May 28, 1987. "
                      https://topwar.ru/34811-hronologiya-poleta-matiasa-rusta.html
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                      11. vovochkarzhevsky
                        vovochkarzhevsky 29 December 2021 12: 01
                        -1
                        But I have only one VUS 061800. But with this VUS, I have a bunch of days torn from my life. On combat duty in the air defense system, just for low-flying, low-speed targets. Why is that? Yes, precisely because of the very decisions of ICAO, we just stupidly sat on the ground. The command simply turned a blind eye to the facts of border violation by "rags" on the part of Austria (the case was in Olomouc in Czechoslovakia), rather than risk raising the Mi-24 for escort. And how would we not blow up some poor fellow by accident with our satellite trail, by the way, this was also prohibited by ICAO documents.
                      12. your1970
                        your1970 29 December 2021 13: 06
                        0
                        Quote: vovochkarzhevsky
                        But I have only one VUS 061800

                        I did not plan to go to a military school at the age of 17 and serve in the army all my life ...
                        I did not plan to withdraw from Afgan and then liquidate the military unit 4 times. Each reorganization is a new VUS, although the part is in fact the same. Therefore, 5 VUSs in 2 years of time ... it happens ...

                        I tried to get the message across - really get it across
                        gjkrjdybr50 alas impossible due to
                        Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                        39 calendars,
                        - that for the Soviet people it was a real shock. You know about ICAO - 300mln didn’t know. And we had a question "How is that? The native army is invincible and ... ?? !!!"
                        It was after this that the army's authority in the country began to fall. The population stopped believing in general the official information about the army. When they say in their eyes "The sky is locked !!" , and nearby cops twist Rust's hands - who will believe that the sky is locked and the enemy will not pass? No one....
                        And after 4 years the Union collapsed - including from lies in the eyes ...

                        ZY The last VUS I have, by the way, is in the Ozinsky helicopter regiment ... so we are a little colleagues ...
                      13. vovochkarzhevsky
                        vovochkarzhevsky 29 December 2021 13: 28
                        -1
                        That's what we're talking about. Gorbachev needed an information cover to defeat the army leadership. That is why this provocation with Rust was started.
                        Moreover, the classic fork. Even if he was shot down, hysteria in the media would rise anyway. With the only difference that all journalists would have become cool connoisseurs of ICAO documents, they printed a photo of a boy pilot who was shot down by the "evil" air defense of the USSR.

                        And I spent a lot of time in Ozinki, from 1981 to 1983, then this regiment was there.
                      14. your1970
                        your1970 29 December 2021 17: 14
                        0
                        In 1998, the combat (2-24 + 1-8) regiment that was in all hot (and not very hot spots) regiment was liquidated. One ekadrilya was transferred to Samara in Bobrovka, the rest was cut
                      15. vovochkarzhevsky
                        vovochkarzhevsky 23 December 2021 16: 18
                        0
                        You're right, this is a clinic. He does not care about all laws and international obligations, he is the only one who rules, - it seems to me so.
                        Although there is nothing new, it happens, a person has passed over fifty, looked back, but nothing that you can tell your grandchildren and not. It's a shame, however. And here's the joy of mulberry, on the site to the virtual GYNIrala reached. So unrealized militancy flooded through one place.
                  3. sharp-lad
                    sharp-lad 20 December 2021 01: 32
                    +3
                    It took too long to decide what to shoot down, where to shoot down, and whether to shoot down at all! The air defense worked as planned, the decrepit bosses crap!
            2. Glagol1
              Glagol1 19 December 2021 20: 39
              -4
              They pay quite well there, 50-60 thousand a month, instead of Vasya, someone can come with this money, and who? It's not about Vasya, they steal rather quickly, and to cover their tracks, they set fire to
              1. Spring fluff
                Spring fluff 19 December 2021 22: 17
                +2
                are you laughing? 50-60 thousand in St. Petersburg is not bad? on the construction of a warship, and not on painting the ceiling of an apartment. OMG. I talk to Tajik taxi drivers in Moscow, they already get 100 per month.
                1. nerovnayadoroga
                  nerovnayadoroga 20 December 2021 21: 38
                  +1
                  This is exactly how they pay, in the Baltic more, in brigades for hack-work they made such money in the easy 20 years ago, and officially they received a maximum of 20-30 r Belarusians, Tajiks, Uzbeks and even Kazakhs, such specialists, alas the Russians, did not want to pay their specialists and everything was in kickbacks, grandfathers died, who got drunk, who earned and retired already, there are no road trips, there are no technical schools, no hard workers, no average managerial link with traditions and experience and skills, and the managers are fat to build ships and did not study, this is not their tsar's business, they will buy Gaster and ..., and hey with him, the main thing has fallen into his pocket ... ALL THIS IS SAD ...
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 19 December 2021 14: 10
            +8
            Quote: Stepan S
            Putin is to blame for the conditional welder Stas, Vasya, Petya decided to weld something while painting

            The chain is long for Putin, but it reaches. If the accident rate in the country turns out to be abnormal, then this is already a political issue that is in the responsibility of the president.

            And if you take this corvette, then it was clearly not an ordinary welder who supervised the construction of the ship. His boss is to blame, for his subordinates (welders) do not comply with safety standards.
            1. Alex777
              Alex777 19 December 2021 18: 03
              +1
              Quote: Stas157
              And if you take this corvette, then it was clearly not an ordinary welder who supervised the construction of the ship. His boss is to blame, for his subordinates (welders) do not comply with safety standards.

              What did they cook there? Composite structures?
        2. Roman_vh
          Roman_vh 19 December 2021 18: 52
          -4
          Well, yes, we need to call Rashkin and Olesha, it will immediately feel good.
      5. riddik70
        riddik70 19 December 2021 18: 50
        +2
        To be more careful, there was a large amount of paintwork on the deck. For painting work. How does this relate to the survivability of this project?
        1. EMMM
          EMMM 19 December 2021 20: 57
          +1
          Judging by the photo, below-deck space was on fire.
      6. EMMM
        EMMM 19 December 2021 20: 55
        -1
        I believe that during operation there will be no welding work on the room where the paint brushes are going.
      7. silver_roman
        silver_roman 19 December 2021 21: 44
        0
        there is a sophisticated fire extinguishing system with many sensors and fire extinguishers that has been disabled or simply not yet fully equipped.
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    3. smart ass
      smart ass 19 December 2021 12: 29
      -18
      Most likely, they did not meet the deadlines and decided to hide the sloppiness with a fire
      1. Stepan S
        Stepan S 19 December 2021 13: 24
        +9
        Most likely, they did not meet the deadlines and decided to hide the sloppiness with a fire

        Do you think being fired for missing a deadline is worse than being imprisoned for setting fire to a ship? We have not yet punished anyone for missing the deadline.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 19 December 2021 15: 30
          -3
          This is your problem. We are punished for the terms
        2. vadim dok
          vadim dok 19 December 2021 15: 53
          -2
          There is such a theory that in 7 ÷ 8 handshakes you can reach any inhabitant of the planet Earth!
      2. Piramidon
        Piramidon 19 December 2021 14: 00
        0
        Quote: Clever man
        Most likely, they did not meet the deadlines and decided to hide the sloppiness with a fire

        If everything that does not meet the deadline was burned, we would not have any weapons.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 19 December 2021 16: 44
          -1
          If everyone who does not meet the deadlines was punished, we would have more high-quality and modern weapons
      3. Serg koma
        Serg koma 19 December 2021 14: 05
        +5
        Quote: Clever man
        Most likely, they did not meet the deadlines and decided to hide the sloppiness with a fire

        Therefore, the management of Severnaya Verf decided to start a fire in order to at own expense (and not small) to postpone the delivery of the corvette to the Customer and hide your slovenliness. ??? However, your interpretation of the causes of the accident is original. I would gladly give you a plus - but in another competition, as well, there is even a lot of minus.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 19 December 2021 15: 32
          0
          If the fine is 5 million for the failure to meet the deadline and 1 million for repairs after the fire, what would you choose?
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          2. Serg koma
            Serg koma 19 December 2021 19: 01
            +2
            Quote: Clever man
            for failure to meet deadlines a fine of 5 million and for repairs after a fire 1 million


            Are you kidding again? Contract value of the "Strogiy" corvette /"Nimble" (serial number 1008) of project 20380 is (excluding VAT) 17,32976 billion rubles. (in 2016 prices) Even if the repair costs a couple of tens of millions (wishful thinking), we got off very easily.
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 19 December 2021 19: 25
              -2
              Another would be karan attached) where is the price of the fine for the time frame?
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 19 December 2021 20: 03
                +1
                Quote: Clever man
                where is the price of the time penalty?

                Smart Internet, some others only "Klava" lol
          3. Serg koma
            Serg koma 19 December 2021 19: 11
            +1
            Quote: Clever man
            for missed deadlines, a fine of 5 million

            Read (for a start) before chopping from the shoulder laughing
            Administrative Code of the Russian Federation Article 14.55... Violation of the terms of a state contract for a state defense order or the terms of an agreement concluded for the purpose of fulfilling a state defense order
            1. smart ass
              smart ass 19 December 2021 19: 25
              -3
              And what have you proved?
              1. Serg koma
                Serg koma 19 December 2021 20: 01
                +1
                Quote: Clever man
                And what have you proved?

                What have you "proved"? You documents, you - "I do not believe". Do you need a frank confession (in your presence) of Igor Anatolyevich Orlov in the personal arson of the corvette?laughing
                1. smart ass
                  smart ass 19 December 2021 22: 44
                  -2
                  You to the doctor
          4. EMMM
            EMMM 19 December 2021 21: 01
            0
            I think that replacing the deck and launchers will cost more, and it is unlikely that these costs will be included in the budget.
        2. nerovnayadoroga
          nerovnayadoroga 20 December 2021 21: 46
          +1
          You are confusing, there are different pockets, into your own and from the pocket of the shipyard, and this is essential, especially since the directors are changed there, like gloves, and there is an "unidentified group of persons" and a new director, ha, ... alas, personal responsibility, No...
    4. mitrich
      mitrich 19 December 2021 13: 05
      -4
      Here the Sumerians added joy to the dill.
      No matter how national holiday is announced.
      And so, just - .opa. So many years and money, ours, and all in vain.
      Another fucking breakthrough of money and effort is needed for disposal.
      And when will the ships be?
    5. lucul
      lucul 19 December 2021 14: 43
      +3
      This is a complete well ..... no One spark and all to waste ...

      According to Severnaya Verf, no repair work was carried out on the ship that day, and therefore no civilians (workers) were injured.
      So - only sabotage.
      1. smart ass
        smart ass 19 December 2021 19: 28
        -3
        Boom and I'm right again)
      2. Serg koma
        Serg koma 19 December 2021 20: 27
        0
        Quote: lucul
        Severnaya Verf assured that no repair work was carried out on the ship that day.
        The fire started at about 19:00 on slipway no. 6.
        Further on "sources": "Izvestia" December 17, 2021, 21:12
        On Friday, December 17, a source told Izvestia about this ( unnamed ) in the military-industrial complex.

        No active work was carried out on the corvette on Friday. As the interlocutor noted, the reasons for the fire are still unclear.

        Another "source" interprets already for Interfax at 21:32, December 17, 2021 -
        "a source (unnamed) in the shipbuilding industry.

        "According to preliminary data, active work on a corvette were not held on friday, therefore, the causes of the fire are not yet clear, ”he said. - There are chances to save the ship. The fire is being extinguished, the damage will be clear when the firefighters finish their work. "

        But from Severnaya Verf - I couldn't find such words sad So is it worth believing unnamed sources "fried" information? And what is "active / inactive work"?
    6. Alexander Ivanov_11
      Alexander Ivanov_11 20 December 2021 06: 09
      +1
      Oh, sorry! The deadlines for commissioning will be shifted by at least a year, or even more.
    7. aba
      aba 26 December 2021 10: 54
      0
      I'm afraid that the spark was not enough there: the reason I think is that they stole more than they spent on the construction
  2. sustav75
    sustav75 19 December 2021 12: 04
    +12
    The owner of the northern shipyard is Mr. Orlov. Friend, good friends of Putin. United Russia to the core. Putin does not touch his own. Everything as usual...
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      1. Lykases1
        Lykases1 19 December 2021 13: 20
        +12
        You know, your sarcasm makes sense. Who spread the irresponsibility of officials and governments? Obviously not you, not me, and not the man with the gas burner.
        1. smart ass
          smart ass 19 December 2021 19: 29
          -2
          Ana and I don't have anything to do with it)))
      2. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 19 December 2021 13: 36
        -1
        Quote: krot
        threw a cigarette, or the hard worker tried with a gas burner, but Putin is to blame)))

        You see, many do not understand what the construction of a ship or repair is ... It’s not working in the workshop .. The tightness, a large number of people simultaneously working, a huge number of small rooms isolated from each other, which means weakening control over safety .. There is oiled rags. There is painting work, electricians and joiners are working nearby, piling up scaffolding, sawdust, shavings, trimmings. And from the height of the five-story building, welding scale is falling like Bengal fire on this rag, shavings, cable .. Yes, anything can happen. And it seems that no one is to blame. A tragic confluence of circumstances .... but in fact the slightest non-compliance with TB, and here you are. The nearly finished ship has been destroyed. And no enemies are needed .. We will do everything ourselves ...
        1. Uncle lee
          Uncle lee 19 December 2021 14: 27
          -1
          Quote: 30 vis
          and here you are

          The capital man was handed over, the end of the month ... Somewhere in the hold, smoke started to rise - 200 people left the board! I counted it myself. Steamer type -P. It was good just smoke without a fire ...
        2. Spring fluff
          Spring fluff 19 December 2021 22: 31
          -2
          all these jingoistic screamers do not want to understand the simplest things about organizing any activity.
          1.How is the management system organized in the country: their own people, loyal, and not professionals. and therefore they usually do not take off their own by the jamb, or if they do, they move them sideways. and if so, then this "own" leader feels the roof behind him and steers for his own benefit, and not for the benefit of the cause.
          2. control systems do not apply to their own
          3. simple human desire to enrich themselves. you can even put in first place, even in third. the bottom line is that having the desire and the ability (weakened control) is already 99% of the way to theft. and here, just the less you spend on business (on wages for workers, on safety precautions, on high-quality materials and tools, ...), the more you earn.
    3. krot
      krot 19 December 2021 12: 33
      -9
      One worker threw a cigarette or failed to cope with the burner, and the culprit is Putin again! ))) Anything new in Sumerstan is not smart enough to come up with?
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 19 December 2021 12: 42
        +22
        If a worker has the ability to destroy a unit, then the entire system is configured incorrectly. Let's imagine, tomorrow Nakhimov will burn for a similar reason, and then Borey is under construction. Well - of course, Petrovich and Ivanovich are to blame (here is the freedom for the imaginary CIA), and not those people who did not set up supervision and control. That is, we have already moved to the administrative level. There is no objective control system. There is no personal control system for potentially hazardous work. Who is fixing this? Director.
        1. Dart2027
          Dart2027 19 December 2021 12: 53
          -18
          Quote: donavi49
          If a worker has the ability to destroy a unit, then the entire system is configured incorrectly.

          Your suggestions? To put a chekist on everyone?
          1. Deck
            Deck 19 December 2021 13: 34
            +7
            Judging by their number, it is possible to create a separate KGB shipyard. Like the NKVD divisions in the war. Show a sample of impact work.
          2. alexmach
            alexmach 19 December 2021 14: 23
            +9
            Your suggestions? To put a chekist on everyone?

            How about a smart foreman?
            And smart engineers and technologists over the foremen?
            And a separate TB specialist, also smart?
            And a reasonable system for the interaction of all these people?
            1. Dart2027
              Dart2027 19 December 2021 15: 02
              -9
              And they all have to stand behind the back of every worker? One Chekist will be cheaper.
            2. your1970
              your1970 19 December 2021 15: 33
              +6
              Quote: alexmach
              How about a smart foreman?
              And smart engineers and technologists over the foremen?
              And a separate TB specialist, also smart?
              And a reasonable system for the interaction of all these people?

              An acquaintance of mine in the 70s dripped his wife on a nylon blouse freshly bought with paste from the handle. He rushed to wash it does not wash. He took it and soaked it in acetone .. Comes in five minutes - and she dissolved, generally to zero ..
              I poured everything from the basin into the toilet, sat down on it and lit a cigarette ... And threw a match under him ...
              Woke up in the hospital - a severe concussion on a cast-iron bathtub and a burnt ass ... that was how they called him Contused to death lol
              Tsimes - he was a safety engineer at a chemical plant and knew perfectly well that vapors are explosive ...
              To him also did you have to attach a controller?
              1. EMMM
                EMMM 19 December 2021 21: 07
                -1
                And by and large, why are our ships still painted with nitrocyllulose, and not with water-lymer?
                1. nerovnayadoroga
                  nerovnayadoroga 20 December 2021 21: 59
                  0
                  Who told you that !?
              2. vadimtt
                vadimtt 20 December 2021 10: 24
                +1
                He was in a state of shock laughing So no example is accepted wink
              3. nerovnayadoroga
                nerovnayadoroga 20 December 2021 22: 10
                0
                In general, this happened after hours and has nothing to do with production (I already laughed at it), but in general, it is necessary to control it necessarily and to allow movement outside the office, in general, the topic of safety is very serious, but economy is not a concept of managers, it is from their stupidity, they are not engineers, they do not study these topics and they do not understand, for example, how they will follow one electrician, for example, five people who will not work directly with their hands, but will observe, admit, instruct, permit, etc., but not to work with your hands, their work is like that, here they completely forget about it when they divide the money ...
                1. your1970
                  your1970 20 December 2021 22: 44
                  0
                  Quote: nerovnayadoroga
                  an electrician, for example, five people who will not work directly with their hands, but will observe, admit, instruct, allow, etc., but do not work with their hands, they have such a job, they completely forget about it when they divide the money ...

                  And especially when they push the pro - "we have one working and ten bureaucrats / managers control him ... !!"
        2. smart ass
          smart ass 19 December 2021 19: 31
          -5
          Why not Obama? To blame
      2. sustav75
        sustav75 19 December 2021 13: 00
        -9
        And you are also a noble botyara! Go get new training manuals from Sechin, Chubais, Miller, and Gref will give you something ...
    4. vervolk
      vervolk 19 December 2021 12: 39
      -2
      Around 12 at night, there the free press accidentally discovered Putin. who, in a coat with a raised collar and a hat pulled down low, a flint and an armchair, was fanning the fire - so that later he could throw a row to his oligarch friends - the case was solved
      1. sustav75
        sustav75 19 December 2021 13: 05
        +2
        Contracts, by the way, really, to his friends from Leningrad V.V.P. distributes. You are one hundred percent right! And at 12 at night, Putin has something to do! For example, rhythmic gymnastics ...
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 19 December 2021 17: 59
          +2
          Quote: sustav75
          And at 12 at night, Putin has something to do! For example, rhythmic gymnastics ...

          Envy is one of the deadly sins ... Who can do "rhythmic gymnastics" at 12 o'clock at night and if it is a thrill for God's sake! You should not be envious and angry ... Get treated. maybe you will succeed ..... As for Putin and rhythmic gymnastics ... Maybe for your health! Many European "partners" are gay and openly lesbians, while others, Biden, for example, kefir and a warm toilet ... and much earlier than 12 at night
          1. sustav75
            sustav75 19 December 2021 21: 28
            -3
            However, you are not healthy, sir! Where did you see jealousy? The old grandfather presses over the young woman, here is not envy, but pity, for both ...
            1. Xnumx vis
              Xnumx vis 19 December 2021 22: 05
              -2
              Quote: sustav75
              However, you are not healthy, sir! Where did you see jealousy? The old grandfather presses over the young woman, here is not envy, but pity, for both ...

              Pasha! Does the young woman seem to mind? I do not even mind. I can tell you, frankly, many young males draw their tails between their legs at this old "grandfather". So, gracious sir, not every young man is an eagle ... or maybe ordinary
              worthless insignificance ... Both in life and in the eyes of women ...
    5. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 19 December 2021 16: 21
      +2
      Quote: sustav75
      Putin does not touch his own. Everything as usual...

      We, too, will not give offense to kremlebots, for it’s fucking sticking in a "turnip".
      ==========
      I want to ask you, gentlemen "stick insects":
      “Do you consider us, who have lived for six or more decades, to be enemies of the Fatherland? On what basis? Unflattering words about the work of the military-industrial complex? Your lies. We always rejoice in the good and the kind. Only we, by virtue of the existing life experience, length of service and knowledge of some of the features of the operation of regime objects, begin to be lost in conjectures:
      - on the basis of what and how the only TAVKR "Admiral Nakhimov" delivered for repair was disfigured, while the only PD-50 drowned and the fate of one missing specialist became unknown, after which the FIRE caused millions of damage;
      - how and why the FIRE on AS-31 "Losharik" caused the death of top-class specialists, who saved the product at the cost of their own lives;
      - why there was a FIRE in the engine brought to the Il-112 air show, which disabled the control of the aircraft ... "
      I am even ashamed to remind about the FIRES in the Yakut taiga, about the fires at the enterprises of Mr. Potanin ... This is, after all, not about them. Let Putin have nothing to do with this. Let his surroundings neither sleep nor spirit about what happened ...
      BUT WHO IS THEN GUILTY, HIS MOTHER?
      1. Xnumx vis
        Xnumx vis 19 December 2021 18: 12
        -1
        Quote: ROSS 42
        I want to ask you, gentlemen "stick insects":
        “Do you consider us, who have lived for six or more decades, to be enemies of the Fatherland?

        If I love my Motherland, if for me at this time the President of Russia is a guarantee of the integrity of Russia, its existence, then I am a "stickman-kremlebot"? Yes, I do not like a lot in matters of power, I generally do not like much in human nature ... I have lived my life. As they say, life is already done ... And it is clear to me that the concept of justice and equality is an illusion. therefore, not the best representatives of humanity are striving for power and money of the country. I don’t like the collapse and redistribution of the country even more. This is the death of the Russian people! Only evolution ...
  3. Kars
    Kars 19 December 2021 12: 05
    +8
    What if a missile or a projectile had hit him? Would it have burned out the same way?
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 December 2021 12: 16
      +14
      Any modern ship is built on the basis of - to do everything so that it does not get hit, and if it does get hit, then this is definitely a problem of a different level. With the current saturation, any damage, even localized in several compartments (especially the deckhouse), is a long and expensive repair = exclusion of the ship until the end of the war.

      I repeat, the British destroyer was destroyed by an unexploded anti-ship missile. And it was made of steel, without composites and AMG.

      AMG high-speed transport ship burned up from a light rocket with 20 kg warhead.


      Well, etc.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 December 2021 13: 17
        +2
        By the way, there were 4 Ukrainians in the crew of this fast Laiba, who survived. Interestingly, the "coffin" paid.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 19 December 2021 18: 04
          +3
          Quote: tralflot1832
          there were 4 Ukrainians, they survived. Interestingly, the "grave" paid.

          The insurance was paid out. Their whole system is supported by insurance, which is generally good. But if this is your puncture, the slightest deviation from the rules, then a fig with butter, not grave ones! What, what, and they have no suckers money.
      2. Avior
        Avior 20 December 2021 00: 37
        -2
        Sorry, I'll correct you a little, Sheffield was still from AMG
        The explosion of the remnants of rocket fuel caused a fire in the fuel tanks, which soon engulfed the entire middle part of the ship's hull. Its spread was facilitated by the drop in steam pressure and the failure of the generators of electricity that fed the fire pumps, as well as the ignition of the interior decoration made of synthetic materials, the superstructures of the ship made of light aluminum-magnesium alloys and the sheaths of electric cables that burned like gunpowder.
    2. fruc
      fruc 19 December 2021 12: 24
      +8
      The ship (or what is left of it) can still be used as a simulator for training fire brigades and crew.
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    3. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh 19 December 2021 19: 00
      +2
      If a brick hit you in the head, would you keep asking stupid questions?
  4. Alexfly
    Alexfly 19 December 2021 12: 07
    +18
    Only recyclable ...
    1. YOUR
      YOUR 19 December 2021 12: 43
      +17
      Fire on an area of ​​400 sq. Those. everything that could burn burned out. The heat shuddered through the metal. The ship is clearly not recoverable
  5. Hermit21
    Hermit21 19 December 2021 12: 07
    +19
    now the due date will be shifted significantly to the right

    Yes, to scrap it. You won't get rid of the problems with the burner later.
  6. Flooding
    Flooding 19 December 2021 12: 07
    +14
    According to the press service of the enterprise, the ship's superstructure was damaged.

    "damage"
    we can assume that she is not
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 19 December 2021 13: 34
      +6
      Quote: Flood
      According to the press service of the enterprise, the ship's superstructure was damaged.

      "damage"
      we can assume that she is not

      These are crafty journalists who think so. It doesn't even smell like a superstructure. The burned-out superstructure is at the URO Belknap after the collision with the AVM J. Kennedy in Mediterranean in November 1975.

      And at the Agile on the upper deck, only the remnants of the mainmast are visible. And the rest is all smooth, the deck is in the remnants of structures from the former superstructure ... Nothing is left of the engineering creation ... am
  7. dimasik-nl
    dimasik-nl 19 December 2021 12: 08
    -1
    What kind of warship is this, when, even while on the stocks, it burned down like a haystack. Imagine what it would be like in a real battle
    1. Paranoid50
      Paranoid50 19 December 2021 12: 31
      +4
      Quote: dimasik-nl
      Imagine what it would be like in a real battle

      It is better to read it, but more, because here there is no more pushing through from the "representatives", their name is legion. yes fellow
    2. kot423
      kot423 19 December 2021 12: 41
      +4
      Quote: dimasik-nl
      Imagine what it would be like in a real battle

      Are you in a real battle dragging on deck thirteen tons of paints and varnishes for painting the hull?
    3. Hermit21
      Hermit21 19 December 2021 13: 22
      +2
      An unfinished ship on stocks and a fully equipped ship with a trained crew are completely different things from the point of view of the BZZH.
  8. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 19 December 2021 12: 08
    +14
    Looked at the photo. In this case, we, builders, say - it's easier to build a new one ...
  9. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 19 December 2021 12: 09
    +13
    SHO ?! AGAIN ... the human factor?

    Yeah !!!
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 19 December 2021 12: 10
    +11
    Guess what, we will wait for the conclusions of the assessment of the damage of the commission. And according to the reports, the Northern Shipyard has spent 113,5 million rubles on safety precautions. It looks like paperwork. Probably you need to act like with the barons from coal and close the border for them, otherwise they will run away.
    1. sustav75
      sustav75 19 December 2021 12: 22
      0
      There, the owners of the shipyard are friends and acquaintances of Putin. They will not run away. The king is merciful ...
      1. aslan balayev
        aslan balayev 19 December 2021 13: 22
        +4
        If Mr. Putin intends to eradicate kickbacks, nepotism, corruption, theft and other "negative" things, then he must start with the closest friends themselves. However, it was necessary to start a little earlier, that way 20 years ago.
        1. Ross xnumx
          Ross xnumx 19 December 2021 16: 29
          +3
          Quote: aslan balayev
          However, it was necessary to start a little earlier, that way 20 years ago.

          As Lee Kuan Yew said:
          1. aslan balayev
            aslan balayev 19 December 2021 17: 38
            0
            Quote: ROSS 42
            Quote: aslan balayev
            However, it was necessary to start a little earlier, that way 20 years ago.

            As Lee Kuan Yew said:

            It seems he said this when he met Poroshenko. Honest Lee Kuan Yew, apparently, could not have imagined that before him was the corrupt official number 1 of Ukraine. Otherwise, I suspect, he would not have shaken Gunpowder's sticky hand.
            1. Avior
              Avior 20 December 2021 00: 48
              +2
              This is a folk invention, he actually said something else
              “I had two paths. The first is to steal and take friends and relatives into Forbes lists, while leaving their people on the bare ground. Second: it is to serve your people and bring the country to the top ten of the best countries in the world. I chose the latter ... "


              About what Poroshenko allegedly said is, of course, a frank invention. He died in 2015, and left the post of prime minister back in 1990.
              1. aslan balayev
                aslan balayev 20 December 2021 09: 05
                0
                Quote: Avior
                This is a folk invention, he actually said something else
                “I had two paths. The first is to steal and take friends and relatives into Forbes lists, while leaving their people on the bare ground. Second: it is to serve your people and bring the country to the top ten of the best countries in the world. I chose the latter ... "


                About what Poroshenko allegedly said is, of course, a frank invention. He died in 2015, and left the post of prime minister back in 1990.

                You were right. hi Poroshenko did not meet with Lee Kuan Yew. Lee told the chief of the Bureau of Corruption Investigation.
                1. Avior
                  Avior 20 December 2021 09: 44
                  +1
                  The text itself was also altered in popular rumor. It seems that the meaning is the same, but the nuances are clearly visible
                  hi
    2. alone
      alone 19 December 2021 13: 14
      +1
      Quote: tralflot1832
      What to guess, we will wait for the conclusions of the assessment of the damage of the commission.

      Malyar Petrovich, who smoked in the workplace, is to blame. That is the whole conclusion of the commission.
      Quote: tralflot1832
      According to reports, the Severnaya Verf has spent 113,5 million rubles for safety precautions this year.

      But this will already be interesting for the commission. laughing
    3. Xnumx vis
      Xnumx vis 19 December 2021 18: 24
      +1
      Do you remember how we signed for TB ourselves and ran to work as before ... The plan, the deal, the money, the enemies of safety. Friends of accidents and accidents.
      1. tralflot1832
        tralflot1832 19 December 2021 18: 37
        +1
        If this is for me, then it is not about me.
        1. Xnumx vis
          Xnumx vis 19 December 2021 20: 36
          +2
          Yes, not about you. I remembered my youth, young indifference.
  11. donavi49
    donavi49 19 December 2021 12: 10
    +10
    Well, even the UKSK-8 burned out. Therefore, I would not rush to declare that the case and compartments are intact. The superstructure was there and glass, and the chimney fell into the engine room - which is clearly seen in the photo in the article, where only the aft module with the hangar remained intact.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 December 2021 15: 08
      -1
      It's just a hole with a cover for the TPK, they seem to be inserted separately.
      1. donavi49
        donavi49 19 December 2021 15: 45
        0
        Well, the second photo with brightness and contrast correction shows that the launcher itself (which is below) is also damaged.
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 19 December 2021 12: 11
    +7
    Violation of the rules in the production of any kind of work, so it will be more accurate.
    The question is, do full-time workers work at the shipyard ??? Or contractors, the contingent of workers, in which, well, very different?
  13. Thrifty
    Thrifty 19 December 2021 12: 11
    +2
    Yes, they will write it off for recycling, where repairs will be more expensive than building a new one, even taking into account kickbacks and funds scattered around the pockets.
  14. strannik1985
    strannik1985 19 December 2021 12: 13
    +8
    The ship at sea and the ship at the dock are two different ships, the number and training of the crew are completely different from that of the workers.
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 19 December 2021 12: 50
      -1
      Quote: strannik1985
      A ship at sea and a ship at the dock are two different ships

      Is it easier to fight a fire away from the coast?
      1. strannik1985
        strannik1985 19 December 2021 13: 32
        +1
        All other things being equal - if there is a crew on board = more trained people, more extinguishing agents (barrels) supplied to the fire, etc.
      2. Stepan S
        Stepan S 19 December 2021 13: 52
        +4
        Is it easier to fight a fire away from the coast?

        These are two different ships - a ship on the slipway, under construction, and a combat-ready ship at sea. There are fire-extinguishing equipment, division into compartments, and a trained trained crew.
      3. Boa kaa
        Boa kaa 19 December 2021 13: 59
        +6
        Quote: Stas157
        Is it easier to fight a fire away from the coast?

        First-line units with exhausted crews are released into the sea. BZZ is your life! And for your life you will hold on with your teeth, even when your hands are burned to the elbows ... angry
        In addition, the first minutes of the development of a fire are very important, when it is also classified as "ignition". There are primary fire extinguishing means, there is a fire main with 9 atm pressure, there is an AP in sections or along zones and boundaries, there is a PED that controls fire fighting, organizes defense lines, and all of them should be used. wired to automatism according to BZZh ...
        And when fighting a fire - the main thing is that the electricity "suddenly" does not end ... That's when - ABZATS! Because motor pumps are a rare "animal" on modern NK ... and reserve diesel generators are not always "fueled" with fuel for immediate start ... and often they are simply not in service. Therefore, SPK, Fur, K-r DZh should be in matters of explosion and fire safety - animals !!! And mercilessly to tear all the niggas to shreds - immediately and mercilessly! Then you can withstand if trouble happens ...
      4. Shiden
        Shiden 19 December 2021 15: 32
        -1
        Not always, here many write that in a combat situation with the crew there will be nothing. You at least looked at the history of the Soviet Navy BOD Black Sea Fleet explosion of the air defense missile system fire, flooding, Pacific Fleet target hitting the MRK, the floor of the crew died, fire, flooding.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 19 December 2021 16: 08
          +1
          Quote: Shiden
          Not always, here many write that in a combat situation with the crew there will be nothing. You at least looked at the history of the Soviet Navy BOD Black Sea Fleet explosion of the air defense missile system fire, flooding, Pacific Fleet target hitting the MRK, the floor of the crew died, fire, flooding.

          Black Sea Fleet PKR - fire
          The most serious accident in the history of the Moskva anti-ship missile system was the fire that broke out on February 2, 1975. At 12.15, when the main part of the crew was having lunch, a short circuit occurred on the switchboard in the room of the bow diesel generators. There were no personnel in the compartment, and the fire quickly spread to the neighboring cockpit No. 3. Since the bulkheads on the cruiser, with the exception of the watertight ones, were made of aluminum-magnesium alloy, they instantly burned out, and the fire covered all the new rooms. Very quickly, the flame reached power compartment No. 1, where an auxiliary boiler and a turbine generator were working - the ship was de-energized.
          The situation was aggravated by the fact that the autonomous fire extinguishing system in the burning compartments was faulty, the fire main did not work without electricity, and it was not possible to start the feed diesel generator due to a breakdown of the oil system.

          Eyewitness photo:

          © Dr. Airbase
          1. Shiden
            Shiden 19 December 2021 16: 48
            -3
            The large anti-submarine ship "Otvazhny" sank abeam Balaklava at a depth of more than 100 meters. The most arbitrary launch of the air defense missile system in the aft cellar, an explosion and fire, the team fought for survivability.
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 19 December 2021 20: 42
              +2
              One step has been missed here.
              Quote: Shiden
              The spontaneous launch of the air defense missile system in the aft cellar

              The foreman of the launch team, instead of activating the fire extinguishing system, fled to the bow of the ship. After 18 seconds -
              Quote: Shiden
              explosion and fire, the team fought for survivability.

              But if the midshipman had remained at the combat post and did what he had to do, the ship would have been saved:
              As a result of full-scale tests of the experimental compartment, in the "Report of the Interdepartmental Commission on the Conduct of Complex Fire-Extinguishment and Explosion Protection of the Cellar of the Volna SAM system with B-601 missiles on the experimental compartment of the Project 61 ship", signed at the beginning of 1980, the following was made main conclusion: "Standard means of fire and explosion protection of the cellars of the Volna and Volna-M air defense missile systems have the necessary efficiency and high reliability. localization of the emergency process within the cellar without causing significant damage to the equipment. " The standard exhaust devices of the cellars, - the commission stated, - provide pressure relief within 1-2 seconds in the event of an emergency.
  15. aries2200
    aries2200 19 December 2021 12: 14
    +9
    covered the embezzlement of funds with a "fiery cock" .....
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 19 December 2021 17: 01
      -1
      covered the embezzlement of funds with a "fiery rooster" ..... obviously, there was a fire after work so that no one was there, and in general no one was working that day (in order to calmly place the means of arson) ... the fire brigade came to St. Petersburg through the call of the 4th level .. .. 40 minutes and without water for sure .... who paid the firemen for this? where is the shipyard fire department? where is her regular fire truck? ... what did you want to hide? what thefts were evident during the construction of the ship? ..... perhaps the owners of the Zaslon, their list was voiced by Klimov, together with the management of the plant (known for their involvement in monstrous ships, and financing the aircraft carrier sect) organized a fire so as not to fool themselves with the useless Zaslon again? .... a lot of questions ... .. is it possible to use the proceeds from the barrier to buy the management of the plant, firefighters and investigators of the UK?
      1. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 19 December 2021 20: 54
        +2
        Quote: vladimir1155
        a firefighter on a level 4 call arrived in St. Petersburg in ... 40 minutes and without water for sure ...

        Do not extinguish such fires "from the tank". The capacity of the tank of a standard fire fighting center is 3200 l (with a larger capacity, the car in the city in most places simply will not pass). The pump capacity is up to 3000 l / min (250 l / min at the SVD). School problem - how long will the machine have its own water when extinguishing?
        In general, a fire engine tank is needed only for extinguishing small fires (such as a burning car, etc.) and for work before connecting to a hydrant / water supply from a reservoir. The main mode of extinguishing large fires is with water supply from an external source, where the AC works as a pump.
        Judging by the videos of the firefighters, most of the time is spent finding and connecting to the hydrant (there are no signs, it is littered with snow, some rubbish is piled on top or there is a car at all, the lid is frozen, low pressure) and the laying of lines - especially on unfamiliar large objects with non-standard layout.
        1. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 19 December 2021 21: 26
          -1
          Quote: Alexey RA
          especially on unfamiliar large objects with non-standard layouts

          just at large objects, all this should be better than in gardening, St. Petersburg firefighters generally drive without water and foam always ... and always come later after 40 minutes an hour, so as not to extinguish, but to be present at the fire ... why is there foam in the car water? just to extinguish while the hydrant is connected ... the Ministry of Emergency Situations generally does not exist for extinguishing, but for extorting bribes from the plant, ...

          Checking fire hydrants
          What is the check for?
          According to the requirements of fire safety rules, hydrants are checked twice a year: in spring and autumn, at positive air temperatures.

          What is the need to check fire hydrants

          Based on the results, an appropriate act is drawn up. The most important thing is that at any time the device provides an uninterrupted supply of water in the right volume. By surface examination, check:

          The integrity of the hatch and cover;
          Serviceability of the hydrant body;
          Checking hydrants is carried out using a column how easy it is to open and close the steam generator, and very tightly;
          Valve tightness;
          Availability of pointers
          Order options

          As a rule, the organization that controls the operation of the water supply and sewerage system is responsible for the serviceability of the steam generator. Vodokanal closely cooperates with the fire department, in case of a water supply cutoff, it informs them about it in a timely manner.

          When extinguishing a fire of a high degree of danger, the duty brigade helps the fire brigade. The maintenance of the cover of the well in which the fire hydrant is located is carried out by the organization on whose territory it is located. It is necessary to constantly remove garbage, remove ice and snow, and provide free access to it.

          Hydrant Inspection Cost
          When it is done by law
          In April-May, under appropriate climatic conditions, the SG is revised. At the same time, they remove the cover, remove the insulation, inspect the condition of the access roads, the serviceability of the device. In September-October, checking the hydrants includes determining the location of groundwater, making insulation, removing blockages, assessing the technical condition.

          Signs are applied to nearby buildings and structures indicating the distance and exact location of the hydrant. The plate should be made with fluorescent or reflective paints, clearly visible. The reliability of the specified data is checked by measuring the distances using a tape measure.

          Checking work of hydrants for fluid loss
          In accordance with fire safety requirements, it is important to keep water supply sources in constant readiness for use to extinguish fires. For this, responsible persons are appointed who maintain the relevant documentation and control the activities.
        2. Vladimir1155
          Vladimir1155 19 December 2021 21: 41
          -2
          Quote: Alexey RA
          Judging by the videos of the firefighters, most of the time is spent finding and connecting to the hydrant (there are no signs, it is covered with snow, some rubbish is piled on top or there is a car at all, the lid is frozen, low pressure

          in general, the fact that there was no hydrant at the shipyard, or just ... the reservoir is not true, there is a whole Gulf of Finland, I don’t want to download it ... but if you arrive in an hour, neither the hydrant nor the reservoir will help ... that is 40 minutes? it is to drive half the city, the nearest part on Kronstadtskaya street never at rush hour nor at any other time saw traffic jams on Kronstadtskaya it is two steps away from the main roads to the northern shipyard, there are no traffic jams there at all, it is practically from the Part that the drive to the plant starts at once. Korabelnaya, except for the factory, no one goes there, there are no intersections ... how can you go 40 minutes, there on foot 8 minutes

          firsthand information ... the body led .. now it has become a curve ..... either it will always be crooked or ......
          1. Alexey RA
            Alexey RA 20 December 2021 10: 25
            -1
            Quote: vladimir1155
            what is 40 minutes? it is to drive half the city, the nearest part on Kronstadtskaya street never at rush hour nor at any other time saw traffic jams on Kronstadtskaya it is two steps away from the main roads to the northern shipyard, there are no traffic jams there at all, it is practically from the Part that the drive to the plant starts at once. Korabelnaya, except for the factory, no one goes there, there are no intersections ... how can you go 40 minutes, there on foot 8 minutes

            And 40 minutes is from the actual start of the fire until the arrival of the first crew or from the message about the start of the fire in the Emergencies Ministry before the arrival? And then you know how they do not like to wash dirty linen in public with us - they could have decided at first that they would cope on their own.
            1. Vladimir1155
              Vladimir1155 20 December 2021 14: 12
              0
              Quote: Alexey RA
              And 40 minutes is from the actual start of the fire until the arrival of the first crew or from the message about the start of the fire in the Emergencies Ministry before arrival

              it is quite possible that the firefighters are not to blame, if they were not called, according to my information, they were the first to arrive from the unit that is on Kronstadt, it is logical, one way or another, arrival in 40 minutes is someone's crime
              1. nerovnayadoroga
                nerovnayadoroga 20 December 2021 22: 31
                0
                1,5 km, but traffic jams there are not small, especially during rush hour, but there is also a plus, you can go along the tram tracks and call into the plant from two independent checkpoints in different parts of the plant, before your cars were and worked, (2000), can now optimize !?
  16. musorg
    musorg 19 December 2021 12: 14
    +5
    Maybe it's time to do something real, did not hear about the fires in the USSR, perhaps they did not report. But what difference does that make?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 19 December 2021 12: 32
      +6
      Unfortunately, there was everything ...
      Investigated, imprisoned and fired ... the most guilty, or whatever it was, is now difficult to find out.
    2. your1970
      your1970 19 December 2021 15: 41
      +2
      Quote: musorg
      Maybe it's time to do something real, did not hear about the fires in the USSR, perhaps they did not report. But what difference does that make?

      It was full ...
      Offhand - Hotel Russia in 1970 - from poplar fluff and gouging, trains near Ufa, fires on submarines, an explosion at the train station with explosives ...
      1970s early 1980s
    3. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 19 December 2021 16: 12
      +3
      Quote: musorg
      Maybe it's time to do something real, did not hear about the fires in the USSR, perhaps they did not report.

      Well this is the USSR - they even tried to "sweep Chernobyl under the rug" at first, like the radiation accident at the Leningrad nuclear power plant before that.
      Did you report to the USSR about the fire on the Moskva anti-submarine cruiser? About the death of the BOD "Otvazhny"?
  17. From Tomsk
    From Tomsk 19 December 2021 12: 15
    +6
    Now no one can prove that he was incapable of combat. This is check and checkmate to the Pentagon.
  18. ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 19 December 2021 12: 18
    -7
    No one can justify the violation of safety measures when performing work of any complexity and responsibility. The reason? One, sloppiness of performers and controllers.
    And the consequences will be eliminated, the guilty will be punished and the corvette will plow the vast seas and oceans, defend the Motherland.
    1. donavi49
      donavi49 19 December 2021 12: 37
      +14
      The perpetrators will be punished if you mean Petrovich with a 20k salary and a shift supervisor for TB Vasilich with a 35k salary and document management for 3 positions. On Abaza, real workers from other factories write, now the choice is either to go around the plots and lose the bonus / live at work because the pieces of paper will not write themselves, or to write pieces of paper, but then there is no time to leave the office.

      Above? Whom? Effective managers? So there are almost all young geniuses of 22-28 years old, whoever you do not take, whose parents are either on the Forbes list, or on the list of statesmen. It's Peter. The young talent will not go to the north or to the Far East, there is nothing there and it is boring. And in St. Petersburg there is everything + on the weekend you can go to friends on Rublevka / City.

      Higher? So there you can go out on yourself wassat ... Vaughn Orlov will slap anyone you want, or Rakhmanov.

      As for the corvette to plow the seas, oceans - so for this it is necessary that the state (well, not Orlov and Rakhmanov will pay their money) to transfer another 8-11 billion rubles, order a new superstructure. Conduct troubleshooting of the case and installed systems. To increase the estimate by another 4-5 billion.And so in 5 years to hand over the ship (the superstructure cycle is 1,5 years and the shipyard does not have to replace it from another order, because it has only 2 superstructures for 20385, and another plant is making for the Far East ), well, or drag him to the cemetery and forget.
    2. rocket757
      rocket757 19 December 2021 12: 39
      +1
      Even full-time workers commit violations, different, if there are contractors, then control should be strengthened.
      The question is again the same, on what did the owners decide to save money?
    3. fa2998
      fa2998 19 December 2021 12: 42
      +3
      Is there a guarantee that this is the last fire? After all, they are not building a dacha for themselves, they are assimilating budget money. The main thing is not to build, but to have connections so that they can send money to you. hi And the Motherland is where they sent their children and took out the currency.
      Quote: ODERVIT
      the consequences will be eliminated, the guilty will be punished and the corvette will plow the vast seas and oceans, defend the homeland.
      1. your1970
        your1970 19 December 2021 15: 46
        -3
        Quote: donavi49
        Effective managers? So there are almost all young geniuses of 22-28 years old, whoever you do not take, whose parents are either on the Forbes list, or on the list of statesmen. It's Peter. The young talent will not go to the north or to the Far East, there is nothing there and it is boring. And in St. Petersburg there is everything + on the weekend you can go to friends on Rublevka / City

        Quote: fa2998
        Homeland is where they sent their children and took out the currency.

        You decide - they are either here or there ...
  19. expert
    expert 19 December 2021 12: 19
    +9
    Very, very disappointing.
    And this at a time when the fleet SO needs new ships. In my opinion, 7 years of construction and x ... oh, what a sum of money, into the fire.
    Sorry, very sorry.
    I think the reason is the lack of discipline and responsibility, but simply RUNNING.
  20. Konstantin Borzoi
    Konstantin Borzoi 19 December 2021 12: 22
    +6
    it's all sabotage! pots at the shipyard burned out, p.l. our shipyard caught fire, now the corvette .............
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 19 December 2021 12: 36
      +3
      What it was, maybe they will figure it out ... one thing is clear, control over the observance of the rules and so on, it was not ice.
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  22. Max PV
    Max PV 19 December 2021 12: 28
    +3
    Hmmm, complete ... The body, this is nonsense - to cut off the areas and structures affected by the fire, make new ones, this is not a problem, as well as replace the UVP. But the equipment and communications: radars, CIUS, navigation and communication equipment, if it has already been installed, this will be the main part of the cost of the ship. And the communications that connect all this, and their installation, this is the lion's share of the construction time.
    The main thing is that now even those who are not guilty can be punished (all the same, it is really possible to punish only those who directly committed violations and the so-called responsible, and it is unrealistic to prove the guilt of any "effective managers" and "optimizers"), but draw the right conclusions and take action. At a minimum, it is clear that the combustion took place for a long time by itself, without taking measures to extinguish it, which indicates either the lack of control (visual and fire alarm means), or the absence of fire extinguishing equipment at the work site.
  23. MrFYGY
    MrFYGY 19 December 2021 12: 28
    +2
    Write-off. There is nothing to repair. Maybe something for spare parts for the same type will go.
  24. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 19 December 2021 12: 30
    +7
    Those responsible for such things should be severely punished, this is outright sabotage!
    First of all, how much money "went in smoke". And secondly, this is a blow to the country's defense capability! They are happy with the decommissioned boats in Ukraine, but here they burned a whole corvette!
    Maybe it's time to start asking business leaders? So that my head hurts not only about how to buy a country house, but to put things in order at the entrusted objects.
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  26. Vissarion Golubov
    Vissarion Golubov 19 December 2021 12: 32
    +3
    Each accident has its own name. I.V. Stalin
    1. Aviator_
      Aviator_ 19 December 2021 14: 48
      +3
      Each accident has its own name. I.V. Stalin

      This is not Stalin. This is the Stalinist People's Commissar of Railways L.M. Kaganovich. - "Each accident has a name, surname, patronymic and position."
  27. fa2998
    fa2998 19 December 2021 12: 35
    +6
    I think the corvette is scrapped. Scrapped all the funds spent on it over the many years of construction. It's a pity that we cannot change shipbuilders, there are no private shipyards, again we will come to this with a new contract and billions. hi
    1. Ratmir_Ryazan
      Ratmir_Ryazan 19 December 2021 12: 51
      +1
      We can, now we will put the old ones for 10 years, the new ones will be appointed.
    2. Stepan S
      Stepan S 19 December 2021 13: 57
      0
      It's a pity that we cannot change shipbuilders, private shipyards

      This is not a private shipyard, the owner of USC is 100% state participation.
  28. evgen1221
    evgen1221 19 December 2021 12: 35
    +5
    And what about the dock from Kuzi? It drowned itself and no one is to blame?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 December 2021 15: 13
      -1
      There will be no point in lifting it, since a new dry dock is being built.
  29. Wanderer_GO
    Wanderer_GO 19 December 2021 12: 41
    -1
    Oh, what savages "Soviet", saw in everything "sabotage." Is it our Russians for a bribe can harm the Motherland? How it turns out - they can - so, "there is nothing personal - just business ..."
    As in time, before the deployment of attack missiles, at a very opportune moment ...
    1. Wanderer_GO
      Wanderer_GO 19 December 2021 13: 33
      -2
      Of course, we will wait for the official results of the investigation.
      And you don't need to imagine that an American "spyen" sneaks onto a ship under cover of night and uses a "zip" lighter to drive a potential enemy's ship into the trash.
  30. ALARI
    ALARI 19 December 2021 12: 43
    -1
    The one that no one is joking about Petrov and Bashirov? Don't spit in the well. Thoughts are material.
    1. Wanderer_GO
      Wanderer_GO 19 December 2021 13: 35
      0
      Then, James Bond and the elusive Joe ...
      1. ALARI
        ALARI 19 December 2021 13: 44
        +1
        These are fictional characters, but the sweet couple are living today, it seems.
  31. Pavel57
    Pavel57 19 December 2021 12: 45
    -2
    Quote: AlexFly
    Only recyclable ...


    The expediency of recovery is sleepy.
  32. awg75
    awg75 19 December 2021 12: 48
    0
    it is not repaired. cheaper again
  33. Ratmir_Ryazan
    Ratmir_Ryazan 19 December 2021 12: 50
    0
    Yes, it's a problem. It is necessary to draw conclusions about the fire that has arisen and about the chewiness of the ship.

    The paint caught fire and there is no corvette, but if a rocket hit it, everyone, all the dead.
    1. Vladimir61
      Vladimir61 19 December 2021 13: 08
      +6
      Quote: Ratmir_Ryazan
      Yes, it's a problem. It is necessary to draw conclusions about the fire that has arisen.

      Here the conclusions must be made by the tribunal! As they said earlier, to the fullest extent of the Law.
  34. expert
    expert 19 December 2021 12: 59
    +2
    Here I thought, if you want to achieve something, there is one way, to copy something or someone who has already successfully achieved your goal. Everyone knows about the successes of China in the development of the fleet. Everyone knows that in the Celestial Empire there is such a type of punishment as the death penalty. After the execution, the family of the executed man pays the bill for 2 cartridges from TT (8 yuan in my opinion).
    This one is just thinking out loud ...
  35. Vsevolod Z
    Vsevolod Z 19 December 2021 13: 03
    +4
    TB is zeroed, also Russians (very often they hardly understand the Russian language) are 30 percent. We are silent about the culture of production, garbage is everywhere, flammable liquids stand among the rags. This has become the norm at almost any facility.
    1. Stepan S
      Stepan S 19 December 2021 13: 59
      +1
      TB is zeroed, also Russians (very often they hardly understand the Russian language) are 30 percent. We are silent about the culture of production, garbage is everywhere, flammable liquids stand among the rags. This has become the norm at almost any facility.

      This is normal in different sharags. Come to a normal factory and see that there is too much emphasis on TB. And nothing is lying around and the workers walk along the established routes in helmets and masks and at the specified time.
      1. Vsevolod Z
        Vsevolod Z 19 December 2021 16: 20
        0
        I will not say anything about the place, they are installing all the hydraulics of the RZSO - a mess, as described. Your routes are vanilla fantasies. Yes, in any pilot production there is always a mess, but the question is in its degree and quantity. And our shipbuildings hang at the level of the experienced ones.
        1. Stepan S
          Stepan S 20 December 2021 13: 19
          +1
          Your routes are vanilla fantasies

          It’s just that you’re unlucky to see the "disciplined production" that makes workers sick. I'll give you my own example - this is Severstal. But, of course, "vanilla routes" do not protect production from accidents and fires.
  36. TatarinSSSR
    TatarinSSSR 19 December 2021 13: 08
    +4
    This is an indicator of the shipbuilding industry and the level of personnel. It is a pity that for this, the perpetrators are not sent to Kalyma.
  37. Hog
    Hog 19 December 2021 13: 13
    -2
    IMHO judging by the damage, it is easier to lay a new one than to try to restore this one (some of the whole elements can be used).
  38. Sergei 777
    Sergei 777 19 December 2021 13: 20
    +5
    How many times have naval ships burned in shipyards? There are no conclusions. Again disorder and mess.
  39. Oleg133
    Oleg133 19 December 2021 13: 24
    +2
    I hope everyone there was wearing masks and vaccinated? This is the most important thing now
  40. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 19 December 2021 13: 34
    -3
    If during the investigation it turns out that the fire started in two or more places - malicious intent or sabotage.
    I do not exclude the Ukrainian trace. More than a hundred people have recently arrested Bandera supporters.
    If a violation of safety and violation of the technology of building ships - the chief builder, deputy. chief builder for safety, chief engineer of the plant, director for the gates and on trial. Undermining the country's defense and damage on an especially large scale. If the plant is privately owned, return to the state to pay off losses or a cash equivalent at the expense of shareholders. Special questions for military acceptance, such ships are taken step by step and in general soldier
  41. Li17
    Li17 19 December 2021 13: 42
    +2
    Quote: Stas157
    Everything burns, falls, and explodes underground ... The fault is all the human factor, non-compliance with safety standards, or, more precisely, the quality of management and the responsibility of managers.
    I do not believe that the situation can be corrected under the current government. Because this power has never been distinguished by responsibility.

    Was it different before? What such power themselves are! In my unit in the neighboring battalion, because of a cigarette, the boxing with the equipment for the small one did not burn out ... it cost a couple of control rooms. And everyone here can tell this! Look around what is happening under your nose! Better yet, make a remark to the jerks ...
  42. KrolikZanuda
    KrolikZanuda 19 December 2021 13: 48
    +2
    There is nothing to move to the right. Cut and build a new one.
  43. Bolo
    Bolo 19 December 2021 13: 58
    -2
    Now this trough will be called Boiled!
    1. opposite28
      opposite28 19 December 2021 16: 08
      -3
      Now this trough will be called Boiled!
      Smoked wink
  44. km-21
    km-21 19 December 2021 14: 00
    -2
    What the fuck are superstructures? At first glance, it is obvious that the entire ship was burned out. And no one in their right mind will restore it. Much cheaper to recycle and build a new one. But first of all, it is necessary to provide all guarantees that the next one will be built in realistic terms and will not burn out at the end of construction like the previous one.
    Guys, it's time to end the total carelessness.
    Until it finished off the whole country.
    1. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 19 December 2021 23: 59
      0
      Guys, it's time to end the total carelessness.

      What kind of carelessness? Leaders make as much money as you don’t make in 10 of your lives.

      If they don’t have time to build the ship, then it’s necessary. They themselves know what is more important. The burned-out piece of iron was still a draw. What to worry about, we don't really care about this
  45. Freedim
    Freedim 19 December 2021 14: 31
    -1
    And what, we do not have refractory paints and heat-resistant enamels? Half of the ship burned to hell, and they still did not start shooting.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 19 December 2021 15: 14
      +2
      There is the same development of the Research Institute of Steel, but the Ministry of Defense, apparently, saves on them, and everywhere else.
  46. prior
    prior 19 December 2021 15: 33
    -3
    Yesterday "Listvyazhnaya".
    Today "Nimble".
    What's next?
    Who's next?
  47. rotfuks
    rotfuks 19 December 2021 15: 37
    0
    The paint burns well in summer when it is hot and fumes from fresh paint flare up. And in December there is usually no heat and no paint fumes. As for the paint itself. Even civilian equipment is painted with heat-resistant and heat-resistant paint. Surely a warship is also painted with heat-resistant paint. I suspect that it itself could not catch fire. Someone tried very hard to make it all on fire. There are a lot of questions for counterintelligence here.
    1. Vladimir1155
      Vladimir1155 20 December 2021 14: 19
      -1
      Quote: rotfuks
      Surely a warship is also painted with heat-resistant paint. I suspect that it itself could not catch fire. Someone tried very hard to make it all on fire. There are a lot of questions for counterintelligence here.

      I agree, all the more I will say that special paint (for example, aluminum) quite well protects the fiberglass superstructure from ignition ... I will say again, in winter no one paints and there should be no paints, obviously sabotage 1 time immediately after the working day which was not that day to hide with the workers coming from shift 2 paint in winter 3 non-call of firefighters
      1. rotfuks
        rotfuks 21 December 2021 14: 28
        0
        The videos posted on the Internet show a stable column of white flame 10 meters high above the ship. No amount of paint will give such a pillar of flame. This is not paint at all burning.
  48. Kushka
    Kushka 19 December 2021 18: 13
    +1
    ....... a fire broke out on the corvette under construction Friday at 18:22.
    .........among workers "Severnaya Verf" no injuries.
    Friday, half past six in the evening - WHO was at the facility, HOW MANY there were,
    WHAT work was done? WHO DIRECTED the work and people at the shipyard
    (if at all was and directed)?

    By 22:49, the fire was localized over an area of ​​400 square meters. meters,
    extinguishing and pouring were carried out until 9:00 am on Saturday.
    The fire was fought for more than four hours!
    Was that a can of paint on fire? Brush? A piece of rags?
    "Sinked" the ship for another TEN hours.
    It is very likely that there was no one there anymore,
    but they noticed (began to extinguish) when it was already hoo - 400 sq. m. - two
    And three - "the fire is extinguished by the method of complete elimination object "
    "The fire was assigned the 4th level of difficulty. During extinguishing
    injured two firefighters, taken to the hospital in a condition
    moderate to mild severity.
    .
  49. boris epstein
    boris epstein 19 December 2021 18: 58
    +1
    Each accident has a surname, name and patronymic. Yes, and recently something like that has gone jamb. Isn't it time for the FSB to get involved in this? Either the dock sank, then there was a fire on the Admiral Kuznetsov, then there were constant accidents with planes ...
  50. Cats
    Cats 19 December 2021 20: 29
    -1
    Whatever the cause of the fire, let USC either restore or build a new ship at its own expense. negative
    1. nerovnayadoroga
      nerovnayadoroga 20 December 2021 22: 49
      -1
      Nooo, not USC, but GREAT MANAGERS, must pay, well, their relatives ..