A preliminary version of the causes of the fire of the "Provorny" ship under construction has been named

On the eve of the evening, reports began to appear about a fire that had arisen at one of the shipyards in Russia. This is the Severnaya Verf enterprise located in St. Petersburg. The first reports said that one of the ships under construction caught fire. Then more detailed information about the incident began to appear.

It became known that the fire occurred on the "Provorny" corvette belonging to the project 20385. It is the second in the series. Corvettes of this project are equipped with guided missile weapons. Therefore, in some media, primarily in foreign ones, statements began to appear about "the likelihood of an explosion, which may follow the appearance of a flame."

The ship has been under construction since 2013.

At the moment it is known that the total area of ​​the fire was about 800 sq. M. To fight the fire, up to 90 firefighters and 22 units of special equipment were involved. The fire was reported to have been ranked 4th. It is distinguished by a complex environment and a request for additional forces. With this rank, 16 departments work at the site of the fire. The highest rank, for reference, is fifth.

According to the latest information, the fire occurred on the upper deck of the corvette. Two firefighters suffered burns and injuries were taken to the hospital. This is a 35-year-old sergeant and a 42-year-old senior warrant officer. Their names have not yet been announced.

The total number of victims is 4.

A preliminary version of the causes of the fire has also been named.

According to preliminary data, the fire could start due to non-observance of safety precautions during work related to painting. It is not final yet.

The Investigative Committee of the Russian Federation has begun checking the incident at the shipyard.

Also, now it is necessary to find out the degree of damage that was caused by the fire to the warship and its onboard equipment.

Comments

[Victor_B]

Eh, damn it, sorry for the steamer ...
Surely the fire brigade has been banned again when welding ...

[Normal ok]

It was necessary to close theft and kickbacks. That is why the boat is on fire.

[YOUR]

The ship has been under construction since 2013.

Develop my doubts.
Has a ship with a displacement of 1800 tons been under construction for 8 years? If so, then he simply must burn out. It wasn't from him that the bronze screws were stolen?

[bayard]

Is this a reason for surprise? In RI, in WWI, when necessary, and battleships exploded on the eve of surrender. And here - some kind of corvette.
The air smells of thunderstorm and gunpowder, the media is preparing for war - that means it's time for ships to burn and battleships to explode.
Did Peskov say that we want a Russia like it was under Nicholas-2?
Said .
How is it possible that RI \ RF, but without treason?
So as not to lose the war?
So that the revolution does not push it?
How not to curtail the production of military aircraft on the eve of the war? Do not fire people, and then recruit again?
This is not funny boats without teeth to build (22160), here is an epic sight. So that all of Peter beheld and smelled the corvette's fumes.
And there are neither comrade Beria nor comrade Stalin for the bad guys to appreciate the efforts they deserve. USC - like Caesar's wife - is sinless.

[Osipov9391]

Always before a future war, they try to weaken the victim country as much as possible - by sanctions, sabotage through their agents, destruction of the banking system and industry. Well, all methods are included in the course, the main thing is to make the country softer wherever possible. And on "Kuznetsov" the state of emergency from this very horn follows.
And the people were turned against the authorities nowhere worse. The authorities themselves ...
But the Sochi Olympics ate money comparable to the construction of an aircraft carrier fleet at the level of the US Navy, or at least half of that. With all the dowry.
Is that what this Olympiad did with the further deprivation of medals for Russian athletes and their complete isolation at other Olympiads?
Well, maybe for the Krasnodar Territory, she gave what, roads, airports, etc.
And what for the country? For example, the construction of an aircraft carrier fleet would arrange a new industrial revolution in the country (even in the entire CIS) - thousands of enterprises and institutions were involved in the work. They would recruit people, update the equipment. Developed.
And now, at the vacated capacities, they would make civilian products for themselves and for export. Well, the same cruise liners, gas carriers, etc.

[bayard]

Yes, everything is according to well-known patterns.
And the "grandmasters" flushed all the available time and resources down the toilet ... at least a lot.
No, for 4 - 5 years of preparation for the Olympics in Sochi, it was impossible to build an aircraft carrier fleet ... but since then to this day, much has been possible. $ 50-60 billion , this is certainly not the cost of the American aircraft carrier fleet, but for this amount it would be possible to build a grouping of 6 AV medium VIs ​​with all of them due ... already both the Fleet and the combat aviation in full, but ... instead of this, the grandmasters decided several years ago to gradually curtail the construction of combat aircraft, having completely scored on AWACS, PLO, MRA, RCU, VTA aircraft ...
After all, "there will be no war," the correct admirals and generals asserted ...
This means that it is possible and necessary to sink docks with an aircraft carrier, burn ships and disrupt the construction of new ones ... but to promote impotent 22160, absurd 20386, insist on the construction of atomic "Leaders" and monstrous AV VI 100 tons, which are easy to build. nowhere, no one and nothing for ...
As a result, on the eve we have what we have, like "Vovka in the Three-Ninth Kingdom", which will do well.
The United States has always revived and restarted its economy with monumental military programs, for the military-industrial complex is the driver of science and industry ... But this is not the case - with inexpressible pride we declared that "our rearmament program will be short, very budgetary" and "It will end very soon ".

Quote: Osipov9391

And the people were turned against the authorities nowhere worse. The authorities themselves ...

Sami all by yourself.

Quote: Osipov9391

For example, the construction of an aircraft carrier fleet would arrange a new industrial revolution in the country (even in the entire CIS) - thousands of enterprises and institutions were involved in the work. They would recruit people, update the equipment. Developed.
And now, at the vacated capacities, they would make civilian products for themselves and for export. Well, the same cruise liners, gas carriers, etc.

Yes, there was nowhere to build it in the Russian Federation - the Union had a suitable shipyard only in Nikolaev. Moreover, here in Kerch, but then she was also in Ukraine. So it became possible to start with the aircraft carrier fleet only after receiving the Crimea. But they could build other types of ships. And even more so, combat aircraft, aircraft VTA, MRA, PLO, RCU.
And if an excuse can be found to disrupt plans for ships, then for aviation - NO.
It doesn't matter anymore.

[Beregovic_1]

[Quote]
Yes, there was nowhere to build it in the Russian Federation - the Union had a suitable shipyard only in Nikolaev. Moreover, here in Kerch, but then she was also in Ukraine. So it became possible to start with the aircraft carrier fleet only after receiving the Crimea. [Quote] it was possible to build on the "Zvezda" in the Bolshoi Kamen, but ... The dock was deliberately made of insufficient depth and did not support the foundations. That is, they built a gas carrier for one project. Neither heavy icebreakers nor aircraft carriers can be built there. There is no state planning at all. On the other hand, USC did not build ...

[bayard]

"Zvezda" was originally built for another and it is loaded for 15 - 20 years. So we only have the "Bay".
And there you don’t understand how and on what project the first UDCs are being built (??), at what stage are these works ... are they going at all ...?
Power on planet Earth (not only in our ardently beloved Fatherland) has become so mysterious and unpredictable ... that it is already quite predictable in its suicidal aspiration.
And everything else is particular.

[Deck]

In February 2021, a fire was extinguished at the Baltzavod on the Ural nuclear icebreaker. Nonsense - no damage. But it burned three times. Also in February and April 2019. And the deadline has smoothly moved to 2022.

In 2018, the diesel-electric icebreaker Viktor Chernomyrdin, under construction, burned at the Admiralty Shipyards. Dozens of firefighters gathered. In March 2021, the damage became known - 424 million rubles.

In 2016, the hull of the minesweeper Georgy Kurbatov, which is being built at the Sredne-Nevsky shipyard, was seriously damaged in a fire. As a result, instead of 2016, launching took place only in 2020. And it was introduced into the Russian Navy only in August 2021.

In 2020, three employees of the Admiralty Shipyards were injured in an explosion on the Ivan Papanin ship under construction for the Russian Navy.

And these are only those cases that immediately come to mind. Not to mention the most famous shipyard fire in Russia on December 12, 2019, when the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov caught fire. The media then estimated the damage at 95 billion rubles.

I recall the joy and delight of individual citizens about the fire on Bonhomme Richard LHD-6 https://topwar.ru/173179-svarschiki-protiv-vms-ssha-k-pozharu-na-udk-bon-omm-richard.html

[bayard]

Quote: Deck

December 12, 2019, when the aircraft-carrying cruiser Admiral Kuznetsov caught fire. The media then estimated the damage at 95 billion rubles.

What are 95 billion ?? He was initially assigned the entire modernization of 50 billion rubles. If there is a mistake and 95 million rubles. damage, I still believe. Moreover, the dismantling was going on there anyway.

[Osipov9391]

According to the latest news and photos, the burned ship cannot be restored. As I thought...

[bayard]

I thought so last night when it became known about 800 squares I shook and saw photos of it ...
For some, everything is going according to plan.

[Osipov9391]

And then the ship burned down quite serious. Not those freaks of the famous project.
This one, even as an accompanying "Kuznetsov" could do. He has very advanced electronic equipment and buildable weapons.
To believe in a TB violation in our case is simply not to respect ourselves.
Well, I understand, a pomor workshop where men chip boats. We drank a little and lit a cigarette.
This is a serious organization. The people there are quite competent. On the part of the special services and the company's own security service, there is a certain supervision.
So the childish naivety that the painter smoked here, or the welder threw the stub of the electrode in the wrong place.
It doesn't work that way. Otherwise, this would happen on all ships every week. Both military and civilian.
For Kuznetsov, the release date has already been shifted by years and there are no precise forecasts at all. If nothing happens again.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

We drank a little and lit a cigarette.
This is a serious organization

And nevertheless, ships burn in this organization on a regular basis. Apparently they smoke a lot.

Quote: Osipov9391

For Kuznetsov, the release date has already been shifted by years and there are no precise forecasts at all. If nothing happens again.

Everything depends on the dry dock, but there are problems with its construction. Serious.
USC is doing its best.

[bayard]

A corvette is like a corvette, 20380 is more serious - there is a UKSK, but if there was a "Zaslon" as a radar, the trouble is a third of the cost of a ship for one radar with dubious characteristics ... on the Far East. Apparently together with the next / next diesel-electric submarines.

[Osipov9391]

The money in the Sochi Olympics (as well as their theft and theft of materials) burned such that it would be enough, in addition, to build good shipyards in Sochi or Novorossiysk. And the moorings for these very aircraft carriers with everything you need. There is no better place for them to be based in Russia.
Naturally, I'm not talking about nuclear aircraft carriers but with missile weapons. Though purely decorative / symbolic. Then you can be based in the Black Sea with him or go there.
A clean aircraft carrier / or a ship with a nuclear reactor cannot.

[bayard]

There are some nuances with the money for the Sochi Olympics - they were taken from the "Cupboard" of reserve funds, from where the Russian leadership was allowed to take only for foreign investment or ... for holding international events. So the money went out of there huge, but otherwise they could not be withdrawn. And yes - they would be enough for the construction of 6 AV medium VI, escort ships, air wings and basic infrastructure. But building new shipyards for this ... alas - this is not an option. Look at the pace of construction and commissioning of the Zvezda shipyard in B. Kamna - to this day it is unfinished and the full cycle of ship construction will not be soon. And aircraft carriers are much more complicated than tankers and gas carriers.
But the return of the Crimea and the "Zaliv" opened such an opportunity ... and it is not known how long those UDCs will be built, about which, after the laying down, not a word, not a message ... not an exact appearance. And the fact that they published such ... nonsense ...

[IC]

Russia lacks the capacity and infrastructure to build large ships, let alone aircraft carriers.

[Charik]

for the Krasnodar Territory, she gave gold toilets to the "bearers"

[Barberry25]

or it turns out that some left-wing comrade violated safety standards and decided to smoke next to the solvent ...

[bayard]

Quote: Barberry25

comrade decided to smoke next to the solvent ...

It will certainly be so.

[Barberry25]

briefly about the situation on the topvar

[bayard]

Quote: Barberry25

or it turns out that some left-wing comrade violated safety standards and decided to smoke next to the solvent ...

Quote: bayard

It will certainly be so.

That is exactly how it will be - a painter who decided to "smoke" will be appointed as a switchman.
And now we turn on our brains and THINK - what kind of painting work can we talk about at a temperature of the order of zero degrees and with snow? If the optimum temperature for painting is +15 - +25 degrees Celsius. And this is not a shop to paint, but an expensive warship.
There are serious suspicions that a successful sabotage is hiding under the guise of "paint work". And for political reasons, everything will again be blamed on the "switchman".

[Barberry25]

1) work could be carried out inside the ship,
2) if you worked at a construction site and other places before you should know that more often people violate safety standards than they observe it .. I gave an example above where they started a fire on an Israeli submarine ..

[bayard]

It was already evening when there should be no workers on the ship.

[Barberry25]

and the cigarette butt could have been thrown away earlier

[bayard]

Quote: Barberry25

and the cigarette butt could have been thrown away earlier

And it did not go out until evening ...?

[Barberry25]

so no one knows exactly when the fire started .. it can start after the completion of the work, all the more so according to the office. According to the data, the fire was discovered at 18 o'clock .. And what time did you finish working?

[Osipov9391]

They write today that the ship will be restored almost from scratch.
The building has overheated the fire, but it will somehow be intensified.

Or should the customer flatly refuse to accept such a joint? He will serve in the Pacific Ocean, and storms and typhoons are the strongest there.
Will it crack on the waves at the first storm?

[bayard]

They will not, this is an informational cancellation of the reaction to a resonant event. They simply dismantle what has survived (if any) and scrapped.
And the Fleet (MO) will never agree to such a perversion.

[Osipov9391]

And the propellers, shafts, gearboxes, motors, etc. below the water line, what has been installed and can survive on other ships?

[bayard]

Quite, I wrote about this.

[IL-2]

So they shot him so he wouldn't suffer ..

[the most important]

Quote: YOUR

Has a ship with a displacement of 1800 tons been under construction for 8 years?

Reforms are everywhere. Have you read the article about Russian Railways? So it is everywhere. Optimization and optimization. Trains have already started to fly downhill, and why is the boat worse? I am sure that everything was optimized there too.

[novel66]

from the 13th year, under and a lot has accumulated ...

- Do you want to set fire to the whole apartment? Do you want to get insurance? Do you think Gigienishvili? Gigienishvili understands everything!

And the passionate tenant on the same day insured himself for a large sum. At this news, horror seized the "Crow Slobodka". Lucie Frantsevna Pferd ran into the kitchen with wide-eyed eyes.

"They will burn us, these scoundrels! As you wish, citizens, and I am going to insure myself right now! We will burn all the same, even though I will get insurance." Because of them, I do not want to go around the world.

The next day, the whole apartment was insured, with the exception of Lokhankin and nobody's grandmother. Lokhankin read Rodina and did not notice anything, and my grandmother did not believe in insurance, just as she did not believe in electricity. Nikita Pryakhin brought home an insurance policy with a lilac border and looked at the watermarks for a long time.

- It comes out, does it mean that the state is meeting halfway? He said grimly. - Does it help tenants? Well, thanks. Now, then, as we wish, we will do it!

And, hiding the policy under his shirt, Pryakhin retired to his room. His words instilled such fear that no one slept in Raven's Settlement that night. Dunya tied things into knots, and the rest of the wanderers scattered to spend the night on acquaintances. In the afternoon, everyone watched each other and took the property out of the house in parts.

Everything was clear. The house was doomed. He could not help but burn. And, indeed, at twelve o'clock in the morning he burned, set ablaze at once from the six ends.

[alexmach]

It was necessary to close theft and kickbacks. That is why the boat is on fire.

Or problems with achieving combat readiness.

[alystan]

Why not? They have been building for 8 years, there is no end in sight, so they decided to write off everything on the fire.

[Vadim237]

And burn up 20 billion rubles - if the ship is not subject to restoration, the Northern Shipyard will re-mortgage and build it at its own expense.

[YOUR]

This is in theory. In real life, it took 8 years to build and no one went crazy. And that's all.

[akarfoxhound]

And what do kickbacks have to do with it? Have you had a lot of business with modern workers? Above most of the graduates of modern vocational schools all the time with a stick over his head, you have to stand and beat regularly on the helmet, because otherwise information has no chance to get into his confusion! You talk to this creature with the IQ of the stool, but it just doesn't turn on! "You can't! You will burn! You will explode and put others!" "Yes, all right, chief, do not fuss, I did this a hundred times !!"
And also for all enterprises of all Russia there is an unknown, but ubiquitous fundamental document "We have always had it like this."
Nobody saw it, but everyone is working on it! And it is very difficult to break this habit due to donkey obstinacy

[DED_peer_DED]

"As you name the boat, so it will float."
Prompt knew too much about thieves building it.
On this and burned.

[mitrich]

There are only a few combat ships here, and then there is this. Shift to the right again. And maybe not only, but also subsequent ones.

[alex neym_2]

Rather, as always, the human factor is the gross violation of TB. It would be in Ukraine, there is only one diagnosis - Russian sabotage ...

[Gardamir]

It would be in Ukraine
Here everyone would write with boiling water with happiness. xoxly db, this is only possible with nx. In Russia, this is different. Only recently, people died in the Akhta because of violations of safety regulations. And here it is again. It will be interesting to put things in order with us or continue to fight the hunters. They will blame the violations on the dead.

[KCA]

In fact, how can you blame the dead if the owner of the mine has already been arrested?

[Cottodraton]

The main thing is to start whining, and then the rest will run

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Cottodraton

The main thing is to start whining, and then the rest will run

and what has to do with "whining" in the country there is a mess and a gap is not visible

[Cottodraton]

So tear off your ass and do something in order to reduce the "mess". Or do you have to do and bring everything to you again? The mess starts with yourself

[Ingvar 72]

Quote: Cottodraton

So tear off your ass and do something in order to reduce the "mess"

Are you proposing to dunk a couple of corrupt officials from United Russia?
This is criminality!

[Bratkov Oleg]

Is it the first time that the owners of the mines are arrested?
And at least one was imprisoned?

[alex neym_2]

The safety rules, like the Charter, are written in BLOOD !!! I, temporarily acting safety engineer, forbade sending people to clear snow from the roof without lifting equipment at the planning meeting - enemy number 1! A day later, at night (!), One of the spans collapsed, although visually there was at least the least amount of snow on it - at least someone would say thank you!

[Normal ok]

Quote: aleks neym_2

The safety rules, like the Charter, are written in BLOOD !!! I, temporarily acting safety engineer, forbade sending people to clear snow from the roof without lifting equipment at the planning meeting - enemy number 1! A day later, at night (!), One of the spans collapsed, although visually there was at least the least amount of snow on it - at least someone would say thank you!

This is familiar. As long as you demand, they press. As soon as backfired, do not thank. People are people.

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: aleks neym_2

The safety rules, like the Charter, are written in BLOOD !!! I, temporarily acting safety engineer, forbade sending people to clear snow from the roof without lifting equipment at the planning meeting - enemy number 1! A day later, at night (!), One of the spans collapsed, although visually there was at least the least amount of snow on it - at least someone would say thank you!

So maybe the roof collapsed precisely because they didn't clean the snow, didn't you think?

[alex neym_2]

So I am for cleaning, but with a "hand" so that people would not stand on the roof. Second: I well "thought" so as not to sit down on the zone ... God protects the saved ... but here, as always, everything goes to our glorious AWOS !!!

[SOF]

.... and .... well, yes .... and the innocent eralashkin, of course ...
..... what for is this stuffed animal ..... to the question of a fire on a corvette .... to braid ...... as in that joke about mice, elephants and the exam? .....
..... half of the text in color - the rest is stupid politicking .......

[Crowe]

Rather, as always, the human factor is the worst violation of TB

- Is safety engineering an art or a science?
- It's religion. You may not believe in it, but the rituals must be observed.

[novel66]

how not to believe ... it was written in blood

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Crowe

You may not believe in it, but the rituals must be observed.

Exactly! In construction, one of the rituals is "wearing a protective helmet"!
The situation is as follows: Labor Protection Day, with Ch. Ing. SU-313 I go around objects. The parade ground of the spacecraft control unit, flagpoles are installed on it: They are strapped with a noose, raised, attached to a bolted connection. Flagpoles are welded from pipes of different diameters. One person without a helmet (from above, nothing threatens to fall on the top). I make him put on a helmet, I threaten all punishments, including financial ones. He takes offense, but pulls on his helmet. I make her button it under the chin ... Hysterical, but does. We go with ch. Ing. farther. Halfway to the construction department's trailers, Ing. PTO with square eyes. We ask: what happened? - There, one soldier's head was blown off with a flagpole ... Well, we are ahead of our own screeching, with all our legs back to the site. Painting: people. (or rather oglamon!) sits with his head in his hands. The girls are spinning around him - some with water, some with a stripe, one with a towel ... We ask: - what happened !? It turns out that when the flagpole was raised, the loop crawled along the rod and at the place where 2 pipes were welded, the structure broke, and the heavy end on the teapot to the slinger (who did not want to "wear a helmet on the parade ground"!)
As a result, the helmet was smashed, the strap was torn off, the fighter is out! But he is alive. While we were standing, we figured out ... before our eyes, the left side of his teapot (where the blow of a piece of the flagpole fell) began to turn blue and swell ...
They called an ambulance, sent to the hospital ...
We came from Ch. Ing in the change house. He silently took out 0,5 horse meat, and we kissed it heartily. Then everyone said that people. was born in a shirt. And the chief told me: - you closed our way to the bunk with a helmet ... Yeah, here ...
This I mean that OT and TB is a religion. And her rituals should be observed. Bo - you will be more whole!

[fiberboard]

After the ninth grade, they sent me to a construction site to work out the summer quarter for a month. I was standing on the ground in a helmet, suddenly a strong blow. A classmate joked a brick from the fifth floor, threw it, aiming next to it.

[lucul]

"Rather, as always, the human factor is the gross violation of TB."

No, this is the response of our "partners" to the recent ultimatum to Russia.
Moreover, it caught fire exactly where the multimillion-dollar Zaslon radar station stands.
Coincidence? I don't think so)))

[Gardamir]

And you do not admit that someone got raped on construction, but you cannot hide inappropriate expenses. Like a movie quote, everything has already burned out before the fire

[lucul]

"And you don’t admit that someone got involved in construction, but you cannot hide inappropriate expenses"

Probability - deliberate arson against foreign sabotage - 20/80%.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: lucul

Probability - deliberate arson against foreign sabotage - 20/80%.

just in case, check under the bed, and then suddenly there is a small "can" sitting

[SKVichyakow]

Quote: aleks neym_2

Rather, as always, the human factor is the gross violation of TB. It would be in Ukraine, there is only one diagnosis - Russian sabotage ...

and Ukrainian can not be?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: SKVichyakow

and Ukrainian can not be?

Perhaps this is ... But most likely a vulgar slovenliness: they did not check the pockets of the painters by the method of "slamming in place" ... So someone decided to have a smoke on the sly without leaving the workplace ... !!! I had a chance to see how SSBNs burned in the dock while gluing over the rubber PPG ... You can't wish it on the enemy!
And judging by the photo of the tongue of flame above the object, there is an open burning of varnish-and-paint materials ...
So they handed over the product for the Christmas tree .... Homemade, damn it!

[tone]

This is a sketch that sabotage and paid sabotage do not even need to be investigated?

[Bshkaus]

It would be in Ukraine, there is only one diagnosis

Yes, but it all happened in Russia, and it was enchanting on the day the NATO ultimatum was issued.

[alystan]

Flip to the other diametrically opposite side and ...?
Where were 106 potential Ukrainian terrorists detained recently?
All around Russia! And in St. Petersburg there are historically no less of them than Russians!
So think, who stole and sweeps up their tails?

[Bashkirkhan]

Sad story. 8 years of construction. Due to sanctions, the corvette did not receive German MTU engines and a Renk gearbox, variable-pitch propellers and a control system. Burned down 800 squares, consider the composite superstructure burned out and the order was covered with a female reproductive organ.

[AUL]

Now 8 more to recover after the fire.

[seregatara1969]

Where did you stand? By the wall or still on the shore?

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: seregatara1969

By the wall or still on the shore?

"Agile" on the shore, in the woods, you can see it in the photo. There is a corvette "Zealous" at the wall.

[Aaron Zawi]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

Sad story. 8 years of construction. Due to sanctions, the corvette did not receive German MTU engines and a Renk gearbox, variable-pitch propellers and a control system. Burned down 800 squares, consider the composite superstructure burned out and the order was covered with a female reproductive organ.

I think after such a fire, it will not be restored. The rental has been released, but it just needs to be reinstalled.

[bayard]

And what do you hear about the state after the fire - is it subject to restoration, or just write-off and scrap? After such a (!) Fire, both the body of the lead and the metal could be released (lose strength characteristics).
800 squares is the area of ​​almost the entire upper deck, to restore this will cost 50 - 70% of the cost of the whole ship ... One radar station costs the same as the Karakurt MRK, and there the entire superstructure burned out ...

[Bashkirkhan]

Quote: bayard

state after a fire - is it subject to restoration, or just write-off and scrap?

The entire superstructure with the mast burned down. Speech m. only about the case, whether it has suffered so much that it will have to be cut for scrap ...

[bayard]

Quote: Bashkirkhan

only about the case, whether it has suffered so much that it will have to be cut into scrap metal.

That is what I had in mind ... It's a pity the ship - and it took place for 8 years on the slipway, and now it will be written off with a probability of 70% (my estimate).
Better to build frigates 22350 at the Northern Shipyard, and order PLO frigates with hulls in China with completion (armament) in Vladivostok ... But OSK knows better - it is 22160 miles ... and 20386, from which the Fleet barely fought back ... and atomic " Leader "in ruin and eternal long-term construction.
And the switchman will be guilty again ...

[Raphael]

The metal is the ultimate, most likely. Will go to junk.

[Osipov9391]

I think that there are irreversible design changes. Cable runs and electronics burned out. And what did not burn down was filled with water.
Metal and all plastic parts could deform.

[bayard]

This is what I had in mind with my question. If 800 squares are burned out, the entire radar, all the equipment, cables ... well, maybe a diesel engine after repairs will do where. Or at least a reducer.

[Sanguinius]

https://m.gazeta.ru/social/news/2021/12/18/n_17030185.shtml
Judging by the video from this news, the entire superstructure collapsed into the interior of the ship!

[bayard]

There is already just scrap metal - only for scrap. If we manage to remove at least the travel gearboxes from it (there is no particular hope for a diesel engine) and screws - it's already good luck.
And never again order ships of this class at the Admiralty shipyards. If such a combat unit is needed, let them build the Amur Shipyard - at least they can do it faster. And closer to the future duty station.
And the entire top management of the USC and the Admiralty to be brought to justice - fast and stern. For only demonstrative planting of the main culprits of the mess will be able to bring order to the industry. And the penalty for the destroyed ship and the failure of the state defense order to hang on all this top management, with the confiscation of everything.

[Osipov9391]

For the next year, our authorities have set the minimum wage in the region of 14 thousand rubles. What do you think? There are many organizations and enterprises, including defense ones, where this sum will be taken for an average salary. And people will be forced to work, because there is no alternative if, for example, a single-industry town.
Therefore, the enemy's intelligence services make good use of this. There are always people offended by the authorities and bosses, which is quite fair.
And even a thousand dollars is a lot of money for them. And there, and collect information, and carry out sabotage and much more.
Where it is thin, it breaks.

[Mountain shooter]

It's just a misfortune! Construction deadlines have been disrupted again ... People have suffered. And the ship with the construction time was not "stuck" because of the underdelivery of the engines?

[Lech from Android.]

Natural sabotage ... disabled the warship indefinitely.
Damage of a million and the fleet will not receive this ship soon.
What kind of attack with the repairs of the warships of our fleet ...
forever the crane will fall, then something will burn.
Recently we read about an American sailor who burned a battleship ... now we have the same trouble ... however.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Lech from Android.

We recently read about an American sailor who burned a battleship ...

Are you talking about this?

Only he was not a sailor, but a military pilot.

[donavi49]

This is about UDC Bonkhom Richard.

American sailor accused of setting fire to a US warship worth $ 1 billion

US Navy spokesman Sean Robertson did not name the sailor accused of arson, but said he was a member of the crew of USS Bonhomme Richard.

According to Robertson, the investigation has collected enough evidence to initiate preliminary hearings in the case.

[smaug78]

Only he was not a sailor, but a military pilot

And he didn't burn anything. Learn history.
And the sailor burned the UDC. Learn again ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: smaug78

And he didn't burn anything. TeachTHOSE a story.

I did not baptize children with you. Go to "Odnoklassniki" - they love boors there. Although they don't understand jokes either.

[smaug78]

This is the only way I communicate with hurray-ignoramuses ...

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: smaug78

This is the only way I communicate with hurray-ignoramuses ...

It is pleasant for me, according to my grayness, to communicate with UCHeat ... Now I will not wipe the dust from the keyboard for a month.

By the way, where in my comments "Hurray" and "I will win all"? Fancy it? From this, so as not to fancy, either you need to take special drugs, or stop taking illegal drugs.

[smaug78]

Wag, wag hurray-ignoramus

[maxxavto]

Is this dead McCain by any chance?

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: maxxavto

Is this dead McCain by any chance?

He is. Except for you, the people did not appreciate the joke of humor. They offer me to teach history.

[Charik]

no, it's a dead dog

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Zoldat_A

Only he was not a sailor, but a military pilot.

McCain was a handsome old man ... If it were not for the admiral's dad, he would have been sitting on a bunk ... and would not have become a senator later.
The breed, however!

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Boa constrictor KAA

McCain was a handsome old man ... If it were not for the admiral's dad, he would have been sitting on a bunk ... and would not have become a senator later.

I read his "track record". Not every enemy pilot will do that much damage.

[voyaka uh]

McCain had nothing to do with the start of the fire
on that aircraft carrier did not. He flew a Skyhawk attack aircraft.
And the cause of the fire was the self-launch of a rocket from the Phantom F-4.
McCain has had many successful combat missions in attack aircraft,
which recruited the most daring pilots.
Don't confuse his political bloopers with his military service.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: voyaka uh

McCain had nothing to do with the start of the fire
on that aircraft carrier did not.

Before the aircraft carrier he had time to "make war". If he weren’t such a dad, at least he would have left the army. With such a dad you can.

[voyaka uh]

There were many such cases of violation of discipline
and other pilots. But the attack pilots were not kicked out.
They had suicidal missions, they were shot down a lot.
And there was no one to replace.
So it's not just about dad. Dad could easily find his son
a safe position in the Navy, but did not.

[TerraSandera]

Alas, even the UDC will have little effect on the combat effectiveness of the American fleet, which was burned out and decommissioned. Well, they'll print more dollars. But here it is practically a tragedy. Since 2013, this is the time frame for the construction of the corvette. The Chinese man cries softly upon seeing this. With the words, “Why was it possible?” And then they are discussing the possibility of building an avik. How many years and trillions it will take. And what is the guarantee, excuse me, that some welder will not cover all this in one day with a copper basin, having scored on safety during work. Well, or someone will not do such a sabotage. And what you need? Only 1 welder. At the right time, in the right place.

[Elephant]

Quote: TerraSandera

And what you need? Only 1 welder

Or someone smoked badly ...

[mark1]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Natural sabotage ...

Natural, natural ... by the way, this is one of the main versions, but it will most likely be officially announced that they poked a cigarette into a freshly painted board during painting.
Minus local security (huge)

[Bshkaus]

We recently read about an American sailor who burned a battleship ... now we have the same trouble ... however

There was no need to gloat over the Americans in that article. I noticed a long time ago that karma overtakes severely: as soon as we ridicule the catastrophe from our partners in the media, as in a week or two, we grasp it even harder

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Natural sabotage ...

Yes-ah, the saboteurs have dispersed. Over the past 5 years, 18 accidents occurred at shipyards and shipyards in the Russian Federation, of which 12 were explosions and fires. We must take away matches from all suspicious ones.

Quote: Lech from Android.

and the fleet will not receive this ship soon.

Well, yes, the naval phones for all 8 years of its construction, like, cut off - "well, when? ...".

[tone]

Not millions, but billions, are you deliberately understating?

[Vladimir_2U]

According to preliminary data, the fire could start due to non-observance of safety precautions during work related to painting.

Or welded.

[NDR-791]

Quote: Vladimir_2U

Or welded.

This is unlikely. 800m2 to flare up where do you need to turn away not to see? Yes, and on deck, not in the holds. Although ... if you work in an emergency, then painting at the same time as welding takes place. Drop a barrel of paint hot as two fingers on the asphalt. Here is the area and you can even extinguish it with foam more than once.

[donavi49]

Well, he burned strongly.

[Gvardeetz77]

Quote: NDR-791

Although ... if you work urgently, then painting at the same time with welding work will take place

It’s an emergency, if it was laid in 19, but by the new 22nd they decided to hand it over. And from the 13th it is a three-day work week for half a day and have a smoke every half hour ...

[wandlitz]

Violation of safety rules, the cause of most accidents and various emergencies.
Unfortunately, it is not possible to nullify such cases. But you should strive for this ...

[Zoldat_A]

If you become like small shavens, then you need to quickly, while the metal is still hot, to blame the American and British intelligence. And introduce some kind of sanctions for sabotage. Highley-like ...

They have a habitual "cat abandoned kittens - it means that Putin is to blame." Why should we get lost?

[Flooding]

Quote: Zoldat_A

If you become like small-shavens, then you need to quickly, while the metal is still hot, to blame the American and British intelligence.

and blame the perpetrators of sabotage in favor of foreign intelligence services?

[Alex777]

Quote: Flood

and blame the perpetrators of sabotage in favor of foreign intelligence services?

A muddy topic. Maybe the secret services are involved. They won't tell us.
After a fire of 800 m2, the restoration of the corvette is doubtful.
What did not burn, then they poured water in the cold. Sorry for the ship.
Only the FSB announced that it had prevented all terrorist attacks this year.

[Vadim237]

And this was not a terrorist act - the usual working carelessness and zabivalov on TB.

[tone]

Do you already have proof or is it a paid sketch?

[VORON538]

Yes, ideally. And at least sabotage (with the death penalty) should be this most guilty.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Flood

and blame the perpetrators of sabotage in favor of foreign intelligence services?

So I don't understand - what the fuck

Quote: Zoldat_A

shaved

, what do they have to do with it? The VO audience will stand to welcome the return with distinctive techniques from our history
For example: the famous fire at Shipyard No. 200 (Nikolaev) in 1938 - they quickly and without red tape bungled the case of the Trotskyist organization, eight in hot pursuit under a tribunal (a defense enterprise), three under Troika and against the wall. Well, there and along the way they turned up under the 58th. And that's all. And yes, by the way - the Chekists had something to tear their ass for - in 1937 their salaries were doubled - ordinary operas and middle ranks - 500-800 rubles, the head of the NKVD RO - 900 rubles. And hard workers received an average of 200-250 rubles. So the country generously stimulated the vigilance of its centurions.

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: aleks neym_2

Rather, as always, the human factor is the gross violation of TB. It would be in Ukraine, there is only one diagnosis - Russian sabotage ...

So you do not rush, now the guys will analyze it and, as usual, will find the Fashington trail.

[Ashes of Claes]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

So you do not rush, now the guys will analyze it and, as usual, will find the Fashington trail.

I dare to suggest that it is Ukrainian as well.

[The leader of the Redskins]

A speedy recovery by the firemen. People of heroic profession.

[MrFYGY]

A weighty reason to shake up the swamp where the corvette cannot pass for 8 years.

[alone]

Quote: MrFYGY

A weighty reason to shake up the swamp where the corvette cannot pass for 8 years.

Eh. .. there were plenty of such good reasons. One aircraft carrier has been overhauled and refurbished for decades .. Billions have been spent on these repairs .. but to no avail .. they are repaired again ..
P.S. You can not shake up the swamp .. This is a swamp profitable .. Who will refuse such a tidbit?

[Elephant]

It's a pity Stalin is not on these dirty tricks. They would build many times faster, without smoke breaks, in compliance with safety standards

[lucul]

"It's a pity Stalin is not on these dirty tricks. They would build many times faster, without smoke breaks, in compliance with safety regulations."

As if under Stalin, battleships in the port did not explode and did not burn.

[Jack sklo]

Tell me, dear, what kind of battleship under Stalin burned down and exploded in the port in peacetime?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: lucul

As if under Stalin, battleships in the port did not explode and did not burn.

When I.V. Stalin did not have this.
If you mean LK "Novorossiysk", then the tragedy occurred on October 29.10.1955, 5.03.1953. Stalin died on March XNUMX, XNUMX.

[donavi49]

So if only a corvette. In general, SV is one of the slowest and slowest shipyards in the USC, and at the same time the favorite of the current head of the USC.

The management has not been working there for more than 3 years, the current leader is over 1 year.
Igor Ponomarev headed the shipyard since 2017... Previously, he also served as USC Vice President for Military Shipbuilding. Igor Orlov — ex-head of the Arkhangelsk region, which he led from 2012 to April 2020. Before that, he was First Deputy Executive Director for Production of the Avtotor Holding LLC car assembly plant in Kaliningrad.

Well, the place is good for any 22-26 year old young brilliant managers who have parents who need them. For Peter, you don't have to go anywhere.

[lucul]

"The management has not been working there for more than 3 years, the current leader is over 1 year."

So it is guaranteed to clean EXCLUSIVELY the "office" - it is from it that the legs grow. Or put a director-owner, not a temporary worker. He himself will clean this "office" to zero.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: lucul

Or put a director-owner, not a temporary worker.

for a start, the Master must stand at the head of the country

[lucul]

"for a start, the Boss should stand at the head of the country"

For the blind - he has been at the head for 20 years.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I don’t see the real Master yet, with all due respect to the GDP, but instead of hanging around on the forum, go check the nooks in the house, and then suddenly where the "can" crept in and hid

[Toucan]

Quote: lucul

For the blind - he has been at the head for 20 years.

Which country is at the head? Please speak for your country, in Russia we will figure it out ourselves, without foreigners!

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

And is Putin to blame? Maybe you yourself will begin to move a little, without a whip and orders from above?

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

And is Putin to blame? Maybe you yourself will begin to move a little, without a whip and orders from above?

maybe before poking on the keyboard, delve into the meaning of what you read? !!
yes, I am to blame, as ANY manager is to blame for the problems at his enterprise
excuse me, but when a river transport mechanic goes in for sports in a country, and a journalist in space is a BARDAK, when snotty 35-year-old boys who have never worked anywhere are put in charge of a region, this is a BARDAK

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

The manager cannot know everything, for this he has subordinates who must know their areas and be responsible for them, and the manager must be responsible for the overall results of the enterprise. If the leader manages the plumbers, electricians and other services himself, then this is a bad leader and must be driven away. If you are not able to understand this, then it is better not to write.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

The manager cannot know everything, for this he has subordinates who must know their areas and be responsible for them, and the manager must be responsible for the overall results of the enterprise

so you answered your own question
who appoints subordinates?

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

If you are not able to understand this, then it is better not to write.

Unlike you, I worked as a leader and created an enterprise from scratch
and if my "plumbers" screwed up, then it's my fault as I took mediocrity or appointed mediocrity who accepted them
the cant of the enterprise in any case, the fault of the head

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

You mean that Putin appoints directors of enterprises !? Do not confuse your collective farm and Russia, there are hundreds of thousands of such enterprises in Russia, and if you hang all the shoals on the leaders and leaders of the leaders, then there will be a complete mess, since the performers can mow without punishment.
Throw out your training manual, the blame for the fire at the American UDC was laid on the sailor, although practically unproven, on the basis of some witness testimony who saw and heard something, but they did not know that there was a mess in the premises.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

You mean that Putin appoints directors of enterprises !? Do not confuse your collective farm and Russia, there are hundreds of thousands of such enterprises in Russia, and if you hang all the shoals on the leaders and leaders of the leaders, then there will be a complete mess, since the performers can mow without punishment

boy go get homework
VVP does not appoint a "collective farm chairman", he appoints the Minister of the Union of Artists, and if he is so mediocre that his chairpersons screw up, then VVP SHOULD drive such a minister with rags

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

Throw out your training manual

when at least one day lead at least a small unit you will be clever and give advice

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

In 1986 I worked as a sailor for Bunker-3, which brought water to extinguish a fire at the Tin Factory in Nakhodka, and before and after that I saw many fires and tragedies.
Where did you crawl out with your team of minusers from?
Without you they will sort it out somehow, and use your training manuals with "Putin's friends" and around all the edrosovtsy in your circle.

PS In 1983-1985 he served as platoon commander of the 2nd platoon of the 16th D-20 battery.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

when at least we will grow up to the boatswain we will talk about who is responsible for what

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

PS In 1983-1985 he served as platoon commander of the 2nd platoon

if your soldier screwed up who was to blame?

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

In various ways, one stupid person hanged himself on the handle of the door to the basement, another dropped the horn into the bullet trap after a shift at the post, another put the machine gun on the step of the Urals and remembered this only in the barracks (they found it, no one moved), the Leitekha lost his pistol (just I discovered it) and so on. I think the commander of the Warsaw Pact troops V.G. Kulikov is to blame. and Lenka Ilyich (he brought up such communists), we are not to blame.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

I think the commander of the Warsaw Pact troops V.G. Kulikov is to blame. and Lenka Ilyich (he brought up such communists), we are not to blame.

I already understood that motors are your ceiling
and you have no idea about the responsibility of a leader from the word at all
once again, at least for a day, you really led someone and something, leave about your castle exploits
Once again, if my workers are driving the marriage, then I am to blame because I put stupid heads of the shop who cannot stop it, it is not the worker who will receive the sound from me, but the head of the shop, but I am to blame

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

But what about the GDP or is it not what you think? Don't be cool, head-driver, you should have grown to the level of a loader.
Passports are handed out to anyone, I would have looked into your face and did not give you a passport ...

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

On MB "Swift" I was the second boatswain, we had a change crew, so look for another argument.

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

I already see that you are not a leader

[Vasilenko Vladimir]

and it makes no sense for you to present arguments, it is difficult to tell something about the manager's responsibility to a person for whom the second boatswain and "castle" is the top of a leading position
go look for "can"

[Ross xnumx]

According to preliminary data, the fire could start due to non-observance of safety precautions during work related to painting. It is not final yet.

Each accident has a name, surname and position

And is there a malicious intent here - to hide the results of the use of budget funds? Against the background of total theft and misuse, this is quite real ...

[Ross xnumx]

Tell me "anonymous stickman", YOU (because you are referring to people worthy of respect, and not to slugs hiding behind someone else's back) are you really excluding such a possibility or are you working off a budget ruble?
And I see no obstacles to sabotage or sabotage ...

[alexmach]

Each accident has a name, surname and position

I really do not like this quote, which is written about each problem voiced, but in this situation, right at the very edge of the "hand reaches for the gun." It really looks like sabotage.

[tralflot1832]

The ship burned for 5 hours, what was left of it, only the hull below the main deck, flooded with water? It is a pity for the ship and the crew, who were already trained in the training center of the Navy. Yes, the firefighters showed heroism, but they DO NOT KNOW THE PLAN OF THE INTERIOR SUPERSTRUCTION AREA. Therefore, so They extinguished for a long time, first of all, the compartment where the fire started is sealed and extinguished. And here most likely all the doors to be plowed together with ventilation once "paint and varnish works" were going on. We need to do something about this.

[Soldatov V.]

As a former shipbuilder, I can assume - at the end of the year, you need to use the money allocated for 21 years. Everyone who can be thrown onto the ship, and welders and painters and finishers and pipelines and electricians. There are sparks around, an open flame, gases from paint, grinders, soldering irons, smoke, rewinding mat, many without an outfit, and this is the result.

[sedoj]

You forgot to add that over the eight years of construction, all kinds of rubbish, fuel and non-combustible, have accumulated on the deck, above the roof. Although this is just my guess.

[tralflot1832]

An uncontrolled rush job is a terrible thing.

[Asad]

I will support, we are often our own, evil Buratino, without any State Department.

[rais-homidou]

The ship was thrown to gravity. It employed a couple of dozen people. Fishermen come first.

[IL-2]

What the fuck is sealing on a ship under construction? There are solid wires. hoses and other ventilation is everywhere)) well, and forests are everywhere where necessary or not

[ivan2022]

It took 8 years to build. Surely they plundered a lot. The fire will write off everything. Deo is familiar, the case is not the first and not the last.
Here the country was plundered and the people are not grieving ... For the distillation - who is faster, namely the "nimble" Talking name. ...

[TerraSandera]

A ship in such a fire is most likely PPC. Recognize the inexpediency of restoration. It's a pity. They are already crumbs of new ones in the fleet. The monetary damage is enormous. The "guilty" will be "found", and the guilty will continue to roam the air spaces of our planets

[Lair]

I know very well the preliminary cause of the corvette's fire, as I worked at USC for several years. During this time, he got acquainted with almost the entire top of the corporation, from the heads of departments to the vice-presidents of the USC (now this position has been abolished). So, nowhere and in any industry have I seen more such a cynical and disregard for my work. All that interested these people was their own enrichment by any means and a desire to please their superiors. Even the rudiments of basic knowledge about the ships and shipbuilding enterprises that they run were completely absent. In addition, a number of managers (and subordinates, too) were subject to extremely bad habits, ranging from alcoholism to taking drugs. It happened that in an altered state of consciousness they held meetings and made decisions, spoke in front of foreign delegations (I saw this personally). So the reason for all the accidents that happened at the enterprises of the USC is the USC management.

[bars876]

Quote: Lair

So the reason for all the accidents that happened at the enterprises of the USC is the USC management.

Everything is as it was and how it was and remained, everywhere is a mess and everyone does not care about everything, only money, in leadership positions, through one through pull or former warriors and that those that they do not understand at all in shipbuilding, but how to stir up a salary is good they know ... And everyone sees and knows everything, and the workers too, so most only pretend that they work ... Friends work in B, Kamen, Zvezda and CSK, Zvezda is just a mess and no one needs anything, but all the bosses are at CSK by pull, and through one they are stupid, workers are also from all over the country, such as specialists, but in fact they got it ...

[ban]

I am ready to subscribe to every word - I worked with Roskosmos, exactly the same x ..., One to one.

[lucul]

"I know very well the preliminary cause of the corvette's fire, as I worked at USC for several years."

Well, everything is strictly according to Parkinson's and his laws:
Life and death of institutions:
Consists of three stages.
Stage 1: A person appears among the employees who combines complete unfitness for their work with envy of others' successes. Its presence is determined by external actions, when a given person, unable to cope with his work, always pokes into someone else's and tries to enter the leadership.
2nd stage: The carrier of the infection, to some extent, breaks through to power. Often everything starts right from this stage, since the carrier immediately takes a leading position. It is easy to identify him by the persistence with which he survives those who are more capable of him, and does not allow those who may be more capable in the future to advance. The result is that the states are gradually filling up with people who are more stupid than their boss. The signs of the second stage are complete complacency. The tasks are set simple, and therefore it is possible to do, in general, everything. The bosses achieve what is planned and becomes very important.
3rd stage: Throughout the institution, from top to bottom, you will not find a drop of reason. Signs - complacency is replaced by apathy.
Treatment:
In the first stage, the disease can be treated with injections. “Intolerance works very strongly, but it is not easy to get, and the danger in it is great. It is extracted from the blood of army elders and it contains two elements: 1) “but it can be better” (MP) and 2) “no excuses” (NO) ”.
The second stage requires surgery. The patient and the surgeon should not be combined in one person, therefore "a specialist is needed, sometimes - the largest of the large ones, Parkinson himself."
The third stage is incurable yet. Therefore, “employees must be provided with good recommendations and sent to the institutions you most hate, things and affairs must be immediately destroyed, and the building must be insured and set on fire. Only when everything burns down, you can consider that the infection has been killed. "

[VORON538]

And what about who knows everyone and everything personally, apparently occupying a not sickly position (if he’s not lying), cannot name the real surnames, patronymic names, including his own? It seems to me that someone is lying here, I can also write a lot anonymously. "Name, sister, name ..." (c)

[Spring fluff]

what would you name? I've worked in state structures and now in a huge state-owned company. and I am very glad that the position is small and there is almost no responsibility. because ... and further points can be written without writing. offhand:
- starting from a certain level, people are virtually untouchable (not under jurisdiction), family friends, devotees, complaining about them to an ordinary person is not even funny, you yourself will find yourself extreme
- We have nowhere to go, the country seems to be large, but in fact the village is small. in one serious place you will not get accustomed - consider the black mark
- they will not be asked much for the lack of a result, but if something happened, and you did not follow the instructions (and you are not among the untouchables), then they will eat out of the blue. do you have any complaints about the buttons? no - that's great. but there are usually a lot of instructions, all of them are not something to follow, even to read often there is no time. so if necessary, they will find you that you did not comply - and that's it - you are extreme.
and it turns out to stick out - it's more expensive for yourself

[Spring fluff]

and I am also very amused by people who expect effective work from state structures. they would go to work in a government agency, draw up pieces of paper according to instructions, sit in the reception area of ​​the bosses waiting, get valuable instructions from bosses what exactly needs to be corrected in the document, understand what the bosses care about in the first place (compliance with deadlines, instructions, do not substitute, do not take unnecessary responsibility, not to offend your superiors and other important people). illusions would diminish

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

It's just a shame. I pay such huge sums of money for ships and at the plant they cannot provide basic security measures. As a result, the almost finished ship was ditched.

250 million dollars were burned, which is almost 20 billion rubles.

The annual budget of Ryazan (500 people) is about 000-10 billion rubles.

And this is not the first case.

It's time to bring the management of enterprises where such accidents / sabotage and responsible persons to criminal liability !!!

[lelik613]

This is called sabotage.

[TatarinSSSR]

Has been under construction since 2013 ?! 8 years under construction? Either the author was sealed, or this corvette is the size of a full-fledged nuclear aircraft carrier ...

[donavi49]

SV - does not like to rush very much. Therefore, yes, they are building slowly.

These ships were made for foreign MTU diesel engines, transmission and variable pitch propellers. Such an approach would make it possible to compensate for the drawdown in driving performance due to an increase in displacement by 20%. However, the sanctions hit. Therefore, we re-ordered a power plant of type 20380, resigned to a drawdown in driving performance for the sake of UKSK-8, and they have their own production cycle. Also, other systems were far from complete (well, traditionally, give money, we will present it for testing by the end of the year, but we will not say by the end of which year).

For example, the final ship of the 1st series Steadfast - on November 10, 2006, the bookmark, and on July 18, 2014, the transfer. Moreover, everything has already been adjusted there and did not expect anything special.

[TatarinSSSR]

Yeah ... it's all depressing

[Sergey3]

The ship was virtually destroyed. Even if it is restored, the body was made of hard steel, it will become from annealed soft steel, which will be much more susceptible to corrosion. And why is it interesting that everyone here flatly refutes the possibility of sabotage? It burned too well for a simple oversight and safety violation. The fire area exceeded 800 sq. meters!

[Vladimir1155]

Quote: Sergey3

the body was made of hard steel, will be made of annealed soft

I hope it was watered well and not allowed to cool slowly

[donavi49]

In any case, Srednevsky will have to cast a new superstructure, because composites with metal reinforcements and fire are not compatible. This is +1,5 years only for the superstructure. And the change will not work. For he simply does not have orders for 20385, but another plant is making for the Far East.

[ban]

And why is it interesting that everyone here flatly refutes the possibility of sabotage?

What sabotage?
More like an operation Y

[OCefir]

What sabotage?
More like an operation Y

It does not interfere. It even helps.

[lucul]

"And why is it interesting that everyone here flatly refutes the possibility of sabotage? It burned too well for a simple oversight and a safety violation. The area of ​​the fire exceeded 800 square meters!"

Because the flags were removed from the forum to hide their foreign affiliation. And that's why they are drowning solely on the fact that the "bloody regime", corruption and others are to blame.
The main thing is to create in a person a feeling of negativity and desolation in the country, it will be easier for such people to process them later, in order to then convince them that the power is to blame for everything and must be changed.
According to such training manuals, the USSR was falling apart.
There are many foreigners grazing on the forum, our former citizens.
Now here are 8 minuses from them I will make quick money)))

[Asad]

Our most important enemies, ourselves, decided to victoriously surrender the ship by the new year! And as a rule, tralflot said, an uncontrolled rush ruined everything.

[fa2998]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Construction deadlines have been disrupted again ...

Yes, something with the construction time-BAD! Just the diesel engine "Kronshtat" was taken out for testing after 17 years of construction. And there will be similar terms. Yes, and we are repairing slowly, for 10 or more years. We will remain without a fleet, we need to write off the old , and the replacement is drop by drop!

[Vladimir1155]

you need to manage to burn the ship while painting, plundered the nimble and set it on fire to cover your tracks? the damage is not millions and billions, I hope the engines and below deck are not damaged, but the superstructure is all crammed with electronics, this is a really serious blow to the country's defense, we count corvettes on our fingers, but a high degree of readiness .... what aircraft carriers? corvettes and frigates with minesweepers ... not to burn ... or sabotage?

[tone]

Billions of rubles were burned. Will there be a medal for everyone involved?

[Roma 1977]

I only have one version. Bashirov and Petrov were bored on vacation. And in St. Petersburg there are also many spiers. Hailey Likely.

[VohaAhov]

There are a lot of questions about this event. One of them, which was not considered here, is a composite superstructure. If it burns so much "from a match or from a non-extinguished bull" that professional firefighters cannot extinguish it for 5 hours, then what will happen if a shell or a rocket hits a warship. The crew simply won't stand a chance. One enemy projectile will destroy a ship worth several hundred million dollars.

[donavi49]

Vitality is now not held in high esteem. And in general, here is a classic steel destroyer caught Exocet, which did not explode. Burned out and sank.

Here it was necessary to remove the weight to the maximum - therefore, we chose composites + it is easier to reduce the radar signature. Nowadays, composites are used by everyone.

[German A.]

Yes, but he will not sink from a high-explosive projectile into the ship's turret. On the other side. The hit of a harpoon or something else is anti-submarine and this ship is crazy and it does not matter whether the composites are there or not. It will just burn out faster.

[German A.]

It turns out a fairly low-power high-explosive projectile. These composites burn at temperatures of 300-500 degrees, depending on the adhesive. A land mine burns at 1500. Ceramic composites are more heat-resistant, but you can't make a ship out of them. I dimly understand from what calculations this was put into service? If something gets in, then he will love it, and so the mass is less. And when it hits and whether it hits at all, well, a fire is not a planned situation. In general, what smart Russians were and were able to screw calibers on such small ships. Nobody in the world does that anymore ...

[seacap]

It seems that he has a duralumin superstructure, which means that everything above the GP can be cut off, and this is 80% of the "stuffing" of the steamer, it is easier for scrap, sabotage, not so long ago they were put up against the wall for this.

[agond]

Quote: donavi49

Nowadays, composites are used by everyone.

Composites are different, including ceramic, but in general, on a warship, by definition, under no conditions should the flame spread quickly, if this happens then they are deceiving us, saying that this is a warship

[German A.]

If something really anti-submarine (for example, a caliber) gets into this warship, then it is a khan one way or another. It doesn't matter there are composites or steel. Since the ammunition on the ship is likely to explode. The pottery will be gold, and you don't need it. The calculation is simple - it will reduce the mass since it drives every day. And whether he will fight or not - this is my grandmother for two said. Even if it does, then when a rocket hits him, he is crazy and it doesn't matter what his walls are made of ...

[German A.]

Well, yes, overclocked. Duralumin will be sold to the West. There is a new plant, they otrohali to make blanks. Watch the video above. All this superstructure burned out and merged like porridge into the inside of the ship. Now you can't gnaw this mess out of there with your teeth.

[evgen1221]

Conclusion - you build faster, burn less often.

[ermak124.0]

Well, now we will not see this ship for another ten years .. Bravo. ((((

[Bshkaus]

The length of the ship is 106m, width is 13. Roughly speaking, the total area is 106x13 = 13,5 ares. The fire area is 8 acres or 60% of the surface. If it was built for 8 years, then it will be restored at such a rate for another 5 years, unless of course there is something - how badly the body has burned out is still unknown?: /

[Professor]

Quote: Bshkaus

The length of the ship is 106m, width is 13. Roughly speaking, the total area is 106x13 = 13,5 ares. The fire area is 8 acres or 60% of the surface. If it was built for 8 years, then it will be restored at such a rate for another 5 years, unless of course there is something - how badly the body has burned out is still unknown?: /

That would be if we were talking about a single-tier barge ... But in this case, it is total lost.

[Vadim Zhivov]

And missed under the deck ???

[Bshkaus]

And missed under the deck ???

I did not say "area", I said "surface", moreover, I counted the S surface as a rectangle, although the stern and bow are narrowed, but I did not count the decks. In any case, a corvette is not a sim-deck cruise liner and 800m for such a ship is a huge area and it is not a fact that all this is to be restored, in any case, it is not necessary to start from the beginning, you also need to disassemble and take out the burnt oh how laborious

[Vadim Zhivov]

Thanks for the answer

[Siberian-1]

Quote: KCA

In fact, how can you blame the dead if the owner of the mine has already been arrested?

And what, has he been charged? Was there a trial? What about the verdict? This is not all. we need a law FORCING the owner to pay in the event of an accident and with such results, to pay the family of the victims for each dead 20-30 million euros. (As a more stable currency) Make these cases ruinous. Up to landing in a debt prison until redemption. And the state, which has not ensured the safety of its citizens, has to pay it. Lost in the bubble. the state will be interested in the return. Otherwise, the whole wateryaga will last until the expiration of the statute of limitations and amnesties. Control over safety should be entrusted to commissions recruited from the specialists of COMPETING firms. The state overseer is easy to buy. The competitor is much more difficult.

[Revival]

And if the "owner" is, as it were, the "state"?

[Boa kaa]

Quote: Siberian-1

Control over safety shall be entrusted to commissions recruited from the specialists of COMPETING firms.

No commissions! Responsibility d.b. only PERSONAL !!! But such a controller needs to pay 2-3 times more than the main builder of the order. Not to buy. And pay for opened bloopers! Progressively, as to doctors for days that the patient does not get sick.

Quote: Siberian-1

The state overseer is easy to buy. The competitor is much more difficult.

If a chela has a conscience, honor and a sense of duty - not everyone will buy it - there will not be enough money!
It's more difficult with competitors. Maybe sabotage, for the sake of your own company, which you can't do!

[huntsman650]

I cry !!!!

[musorg]

This again suggests that there is no order in the Navy. The ships are ready for testing. And the FSB does not catch mice there. None of the surface ships of this year's plan were delivered. Will 2 nuclear submarines be handed over?

[Tests]

donavi49, dear, Mr. Orlov was still engaged in ships before cars. And he headed Yantar in Kaliningrad for a couple of years, and in Severodvinsk he started as an electrician (his aviation institute was finished) to one of the leaders of Zvezdochka, he grew up, with a break to work at NIPTB Onega as a technologist (Onega in those years was located right on the territory of "Stars"). True, both him and his current first deputy, Mr. Andronov, many residents of the Arkhangelsk region are simply eager to see in the next cell together with the chief engineer of the Severnaya Verf, Mr. Shestakov (it was a fun time with Governor Orlov!) However, on another floor it would be desirable to see and Orlov's wife, for miracles with the pharmacy chain "Pharmacy" and charitable foundations ... compared to the billions of FSB Colonel Kirill Cherkalin - a holy man, holy, like everyone else in the United ...

[Vadim237]

And in all other parties the same saints and the One.

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: Lech from Android.

Natural sabotage ... disabled the warship indefinitely.
Damage of a million and the fleet will not receive this ship soon.
What kind of attack with the repairs of the warships of our fleet ...
forever the crane will fall, then something will burn.
Recently we read about an American sailor who burned a battleship ... now we have the same trouble ... however.

Of course, sabotage. Well, I said that a sighted patriot cannot be fooled, he will immediately find the Fashington trace. Well done, Lyokha, I respect you for your insight. From me to you a fat plus to the existing ones!

[Liam]

The enemies burned their native hut,
They ruined his whole family.
Where now to go to the soldier,
To whom can I bear my sorrow? ...

[Siberian-1]

Quote: Revival

And if the "owner" is, as it were, the "state"?

So you don't see the answer to your question?
To avoid such a paradox, you need to know the following thing: Mr. Potanin paid a fine of one and a half hundred billion for an accident in his farm. He even created a fund from which he IS FORCED to pay similar fines in the amount of $ 2 billion. NOT in the know, but how much did the Chernobyl nuclear power plant pay for the accident? In general, do YOU ​​think to yourself how much the state will benefit from the fact that fines from one state pocket (state enterprise) are transferred to another pocket (budget)?

[Siberian-1]

Quote: musorg

This again suggests that there is no order in the Navy. The ships are ready for testing. And the FSB does not catch mice there. None of the surface ships of this year's plan were delivered. Will 2 nuclear submarines be handed over?

Are you all right there? The plant where the construction of the ship is being completed is the naval diocese. Razdolbai, painting bulkheads and smokers in secret - was this overlooked by the FSB? And what, to put another team of gouging behind each gouging ... What will your salary / pension be from this? Perhaps they are there - FSBs are not looking there. For provocative speeches, you should have been taken where you should be.

[Fedor Sokolov]

These "accidents" have become frequent, it is time to initiate criminal cases and give real terms, at least for negligence.

[Rostock]

That all this is beginning to remind me ... Corvette for the Pacific Fleet. Samurai are again sharpening swords and they have considerable experience in such operations on the territory of our country since the time of Colonel Akashi.

[NUR]

He smoked.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

Either a dragonfly aircraft carrier, or a fire on a frigate, or on a corvette ...

[Romeo]

fleet then what ?! Was there a crew there? Separate flies from cutlets. This is the factory and its workers. Naval units do not stand behind every welder or painter if there is no crew. And the mess on CPZ is the norm .. I myself work as a radio installer. Now the PSKR is being repaired, we are installing a new radar, so the warrant officer with the warhead is always close by. I connect the antenna on the mast, he is on the site below. And so in all work areas.

[Alexey Koshkarov]

The fleet has nothing to do with the fall of the crane on our only aircraft carrier?

[Andrey V]

To the President of the Russian Federation
:
Full Name:
E-mail address: [email protected]
Phone:
Type: appeal
Text
Yesterday in St. Petersburg, slovens burned the newest frigate, which was so necessary for our Navy .... Dear Vladimir Vladimirovich, as a responsible taxpayer, I want to ask you a question, who will be punished? Why does USC undermine the combat capability of our country? Why is taxpayer money entrusted to slobs? Why are there no firefighters at such a shipyard who drove through the whole city in traffic jams? Who was responsible for carrying out the work on this ship? If you, Vladimir Vladimirovich, have introduced a reduction coefficient on the pensions of military personnel, saying that there is little money in the country, why do you, as the Supreme Commander-in-Chief and President of our country, allow our money to be burned ...
Sent: December 18, 2021 14:40 pm

I wrote a letter to our guarantor, I'm waiting for an answer .....

[Nexcom]

Wait. Most likely, they will soon knock on your door.

[Robert]

Dear Andrey, he's burnt out!

[Lair]

Quote: VORON538

And what about who knows everyone and everything personally, apparently occupying a not sickly position (if he’s not lying), cannot name the real surnames, patronymic names, including his own? It seems to me that someone is lying here, I can also write a lot anonymously. "Name, sister, name ..." (c)

You have no idea, but if I name names, they will quickly find me and punish me. Moreover, the punishment will be outside the legal framework, and I saw this in the USC - one of the employees of the USC, who turned to the prosecutor's office with evidence of corruption, was forced to leave Russia.

[Givi_49]

I suppose: there is only one reason for such fires - the low quality of human material; the effect, as usual, will name the effect, not the cause.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: Givi_49

I suppose: there is only one reason for such fires - the low quality of human material; the effect, as usual, will name the effect, not the cause.

Usually the reason is not adherence to the rules and, as you say, the root cause is the general system of the organization.

But in principle, anything can be different, if painting of external surfaces and ignition could occur due to a cigarette butt, then it was also possible to organize ignition remotely. Alya laser "pointer" with Aliexpress with increased beam power.
It was only necessary to know in advance when these works would be carried out, which obviously was not a big deal to find out.

This is just an example of fantasy for possible reasons.
It's better to wait for the results of the investigation ...

[donavi49]

Consequences of a fire. The bow of the superstructure glass into the hull and blackened it. The pipe fell into the engine room (so the diesel engine is also questionable). Only the aft part with the hangar remained intact.

Consequences of the fire on the corvette Project 20385 Provorny. pic.twitter.com/OzbhI4FEF5

- Massimo Frantarelli (@MrFrantarelli) December 18, 2021

[Vadim237]

Well, as expected - the ship's cover and the Northern Shipyard got 20 billion rubles a new one will be built at their own expense.

[Siberian-1]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Siberian-1

Control over safety shall be entrusted to commissions recruited from the specialists of COMPETING firms.

No commissions! Responsibility d.b. only PERSONAL !!! But such a controller needs to pay 2-3 times more than the main builder of the order. Not to buy. And pay for opened bloopers! Progressively, as to doctors for days that the patient does not get sick.

Quote: Siberian-1

The state overseer is easy to buy. The competitor is much more difficult.

If a chela has a conscience, honor and a sense of duty - not everyone will buy it - there will not be enough money!
It's more difficult with competitors. Maybe sabotage, for the sake of your own company, which you can't do!

You don't understand the reality well. Any salary will not hurt to get it from above. What, is it really not clear HOW the system of bribes works? The general, who heads a large anti-corruption agency, had billions in cash. Right under the bed. What should be unfastened to a district inspector (I, actually, by education and my first place of work, a miner), so that a methane meter can be shown correctly? For example, turn on the local ventilation before its descent into the mine. And to ventilate dead ends. And show all certificates for equipment that allow work in an explosive atmosphere? There will be certificates. Genuine. For this, there is a research institute in Siberia, in Kemerovo, which carries out such certification. VOSTNII. There is no other person to check this bribe-taker. Well, if, only, the prosecutor's office. And she will not react without incident. Here, only no one bothers to turn them on to the desired mode. There is one more thing in mining. (more precisely, several) A sudden release of methane. A cavity in the thickness of the rock, closed for a million years, presses, but cannot break through. The underworked wall, when the face moves, frees it up. And a wall a meter thick shoots into the mine, sweeping away not people - equipment. support .... People are scrubbed away from everything that remains. Porridge. There are methods of struggle. Advance drilling, and water injection under tremendous pressure into boreholes. Water is a solvent for gases. You can do it, but you can ... It's a long time. Reduces production. Will the inspector stand all the time? Or look at the slaughterhouse passport? The second cherry is mountain bumps. There is nothing on the surface, but there it knocks down. Fasten it into chips, rubble, and so on ... There is no medicine against it. It is impossible to predict, even shot. Water breakthroughs. Kilometer down. Pressure of hundreds of atmospheres. How to hold back? Not in the know - sit on the sidelines.

[Siberian-1]

Quote: BoA KAA

Quote: Siberian-1

Control over safety shall be entrusted to commissions recruited from the specialists of COMPETING firms.

No commissions! Responsibility d.b. only PERSONAL !!! But such a controller needs to pay 2-3 times more than the main builder of the order. Not to buy. And pay for opened bloopers! Progressively, as to doctors for days that the patient does not get sick.

Quote: Siberian-1

The state overseer is easy to buy. The competitor is much more difficult.

If a chela has a conscience, honor and a sense of duty - not everyone will buy it - there will not be enough money!
It's more difficult with competitors. Maybe sabotage, for the sake of your own company, which you can't do!

Absolutely crazy. THE BEAT DEFINES CONSCIOUSNESS. And nothing more. Conscience. When the loot is at stake, and not small, what kind of conscience can there be? And don't forget. If you interfere, they will eliminate it. Either they will defame, as a specialist, a bribe-taker, rapist, pedophile, or they will be removed along with a multi-storey building. I forgot how the border guard was removed in the Far East, with the entrance where his apartment was. Interfered with fishing. The bait, of course. Only control by competitors. When the same size of the dough will work against, it is more difficult to do it all there. Will disassembly begin? CERTAINLY. And the state can hire an arbitrator. It is easier for him not to participate, but to look after. The interest of the court will be seen, the acceptance of one side - it will already be loud. And the risk of losing not the judicial mantle, but freedom ...

[IL-2]

And I have this question - in battle, if a small anti-ship missile system of the Harpoon type hits the superstructure, or it will also burn up next to it - won't you extinguish it? What kind of composite is this? Celluloid? Like a crew immediately on rafts and a radio operator on air until a critical roll? At sea, 20 crews for firefighters no - all by the crew ((

[Vadim237]

Here is the same question for the designers, why the hell are there such combustible materials used, and not on a steel frame, but on a solid structure.

[Siberian-1]

Quote: Liam

The enemies burned their native hut,
They ruined his whole family.
Where now to go to the soldier,
To whom can I bear my sorrow? ...

And you bitch, wouldn't it be better for you to go for a walk?

[Kushka]

One of the first Soviet nuclear submarines, with a very difficult fate, "began"
with what else is at the shipyard, about carrying out painting works,
worker woman died ... And then ....... further it is better not
recall.

[Tests]

Kushka (Anatoly), dear, why not remember? The first nuclear submarines of the USSR were SMP. About the ampoule stolen from the Northern Engineering Enterprise and crushed in the city of Severodvinsk from a source of radiologists in the 60s of the last century? There were no deaths there. About radiation emissions when the reactor lid was blown up at Zvezdochka in the 80s of the last century? There were no deaths there. About spills of liquid radioactive waste onto the pier? And there were dead. did not have. The biggest tragedy on the Northern Sea Route was in 1977 or 78 (I can’t remember exactly) during the construction of the floating exit dock “Sukhona”, which even today carries nuclear submarines from the hull shops to the loading basin. Two female painters died in a fire... “The mysterious explosion in Nenoksa” on 08.08.2019/2/58 gave more corpses at once, about those who grabbed the dose there: the military, and doctors, and pilots of the 58nd Arkhangelsk air squad, and those wounded in Arkhangelsk , and then they were delivered to Moscow by helicopter, both the residents of Sopka and Nenoksa itself (Especially those who tried to save the wounded testers by providing medical assistance - the medal “For saving the dead” from radiation cures one or two times! The military from the Test Site didn’t even We thought of requesting additional medical forces from the Severodvinsk garrison hospital in advance, the only fire truck of the Polygon was standing in its regular place, almost at the Nenoksa station, planners for especially dangerous work... I need to exhale, it seems that my censored Russian is running out... After all everyone was at work, both the heads of the Departments and the headquarters of the Polygon. And the head of the Polygon today is both a son, and drunk, and with tobacco on his nose...) we will never know for sure. The pontoons, damaged by an explosion on the shore of the White Sea at the mouth of the Verkhovka River, burned for months, the military did not guard them for several days, did not even fence them off with signal tape and did not put up radiation hazard signs, the boys happily explored the pontoons.... Rain from Nenoksa that the day wetted both Severodvinsk and Arkhangelsk, the entire Arkhangelsk region passed to the Kirov region and Komi... And whose brilliant order was to send the victims by helicopter to Arkhangelsk? They know about radiation only theoretically. When the Central Medical Emergency Unit No. 1 of the FMBA of the Russian Federation canceled all planned operations, opened the NZ warehouses of toxic, potent and narcotic substances, notifying the Ministry of Internal Affairs for the city of Severodvinsk, launched the oxygen production plant to the maximum, taking out suits and gas masks from the warehouses. And the helipad is 80 km from the hospital No. 20. The entire hospital complex, along with the site, was designed by the Communists back in the 30s of the 40th century. And from Talagi airport to the hospitals where the wounded and irradiated were brought, along the streets of Arkhangelsk, it’s about 15, or even XNUMX minutes. And from Severodvinsk to Arkhangelsk the flight is XNUMX minutes, a total of an hour is lost, there are only no one to blame...

[xomaNN]

According to preliminary data, the fire could start due to non-observance of safety precautions during work related to painting.

As in my time, working in the shipbuilding industry (70-80s) at shipyards, at random, either welding work or painting was carried out. Either the people providing security are slacking and sleeping, or the builders (the main people on the ships under construction) are not in their place.

And the result is that an almost finished ship, if not completely lost, will occupy the slipway for several years. And the Navy is left without a combat unit. Of course, with Comrade. they became too much of a hassle. And in the current case, the culprits?... What about a fine, dismissal or, in the worst case, a suspended sentence for them? And millions of rubles burned in the fire. "Northern Shipyard" (nowadays Zhdanov Plant) is a private company and I hope that the customers from the Navy will exact the full amount from them. Without baby talk and sentimentality

[tone]

Not millions, but billions, are you deliberately understating?

[Glagol1]

It wasn't millions that burned. Billions!

[Igor K]

There are two options:
1. The bosses planned welding work in rooms where there should not have been any at that time (for example, painting work).
2. On the ground, the people stammered.

[German A.]

The whole country was working and no one drove Mercedes and no one had real estate abroad. So they built it. And they already explained that there are sanctions. German engines had to be there and drive them, and everything had to be redone. I hope you understand that the German engine was chosen for a reason. In 20386 everything will be better - turbines from Saturn.

[lelik613]

“advanced electronic equipment” - it was... From chips honestly purchased in the West, and their number is finite.

[Protos]

Quote: Normal ok

It was necessary to close theft and kickbacks. That is why the boat is on fire.

Pindosoff's UDC of 48000 tons burned to the ground near the quay wall, so maybe @rollback theft or @this is something else?

[Sergey Kulikov_3]

Quote: Sergey Kulikov_3

к

Ugh, 12th battery of course.

[75 Sergey]

I hope we won’t have to pay for this and will also issue a penalty for missing deadlines, slaves to “friends” to fork out!

[barium]

How else will they pay, at the expense of the people!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Glagol1]

Most likely they were hiding stolen goods. Apparently, all the expensive equipment on the boat has already been installed, so...
It was as if it had burned out.

[Lonely loner]

Treason to the Motherland in the form of sabotage.

[sailor roman]

Twice I had the opportunity to serve on newly built ships in 1971 and 1980. On both ships, fires occurred repeatedly during construction, the reasons were different each time; unsatisfactory provision of welding work and lack of proper control over welding sites after its completion in the first place, sloppiness of the working class and l/s in second place, accidents on used equipment in third place. But, as a rule, all fires were extinguished within half an hour, less often 2-3 hours. In this case, the complex criminal negligence of the enterprise management and the lack of a fire safety system are clear.

[zenion]

Everything is clear and so. The ship stagnated and decided to keep warm for what winter in a row.

[svoit]

Quote: bayard

And never again order ships of this class from the Admiralty Shipyards

What does AB have to do with it, like it’s a northern shipyard? That's what it says in the article, if you read it, of course.

[bayard]

Quote: Barberry25

1) work could be carried out inside the ship,

[75 Sergey]

They have a business, they have no time

[Andrey V]

I received a response from the guarantor..."1612430
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[xomaNN]

In the 70s-8s, "Northern Shipyard", which was at that time the USSR and post office No.. and the plant named after. Comrade Zhdanov regularly, despite a lot of difficulties on the slipway and disruptions in the supply of related products, every 2-3 years they put into operation the BOD Project 1155, 2 times larger in size.
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So maybe it’s time for the cunning government. lawyers to impose such fines on negligent shipbuilders for the destroyed ship and missed deadlines for the delivery of the armored ship, so that the PRIVATE MILITARY SHIPYARD returns to the ownership of the Russian Federation. In the nasty 90s, she was fooled for next to nothing from the state. And this is the military-industrial complex, and if the managers of Severnaya Verf cannot cope with military orders, then let them deal with civilian courts and deal with them according to the commodity-money scheme.
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I am not calling for 37, but for strict responsibility in the field of armaments for the Navy.