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Russia and North Korea settled debt in 11 billion dollars

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Russia and North Korea settled debt in 11 billion dollarsRussia and the DPRK on Monday signed an agreement on the settlement of North Korean debt to Russia in the amount of 11 billion dollars, said Russian Deputy Finance Minister Sergei Storchak.


“Yesterday they signed,” he said, explaining that we are talking about North Korea’s debt in the amount of 11 billion dollars, reports RIA “News».

Earlier, Storchak reported that the Ministry of Finance of Russia in June planned to submit a draft resolution on signing the agreement to settle the DPRK’s debt for approval by the government. Deputy Minister of Finance of Russia 31 May - 2 June held talks with the Ministry of Finance of North Korea on debt settlement, Interfax reports.

As a result of the negotiations, the amount of the debt settled and the conditions remained the same, Storchak explained then. We are talking about 11 billion dollars in DPRK debt on loans provided by the former USSR. “Classical conditions (settlements) related to our participation in the Paris Club, recalculated into dollars at the corresponding rate, further primary discount, and the balance of the debt is used in the operations“ debt in exchange for help, ”said the deputy minister.

Storchak added that the balance is about 1 billion dollars. At the same time, he noted that we are talking about assistance in the field of energy, health and education.

Russia and the DPRK resumed negotiations to settle the debt in 2011 after a long break. Until 2007, the parties could not agree on a debt repayment scheme. In particular, the Russian Federation did not exclude the possibility of writing off part of the debt and providing installments to pay the remaining amount or repaying the debt in the form of investments.

In August 2011, the leaders of the Russian Federation and the DPRK, Dmitry Medvedev and Kim Jong Il, at a meeting in Ulan-Ude, developed approaches to solving the problem of North Korean debt.

Then Storchak said that the size of the debt of North Korea is 11 billion dollars. The loan was issued in Soviet rubles at the rate of 60 kopecks per 1 dollar.
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  1. spender
    spender 18 September 2012 19: 12
    +8
    Forgiven $ 10, promised to give $ 000 allegedly by joint projects in the energy sector, well settled belay
    Damn, we are so rich that evil takes am

    In 2007, experts estimated North Korean debt to the former USSR at $ 8 billion, in 2009, taking into account interest, already at $ 9 billion. In 2011, North Korea’s total debt was valued at $ 11 billion.

    The main creditors of North Korea, in addition to Russia, are China and South Korea. If you divide the total debt by the number of people in North Korea, it turns out that each citizen of the DPRK owes $ 775 to the rest of the world. At the same time, the official salary in North Korea is only a few dollars.

    Among the recipients of Soviet loans are Mongolia, Vietnam, Angola, Ethiopia, India, Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan - only about 100 countries. Many debts by Russia have already been written off, such as Vietnam (10 billion dollars), Iraq (8 billion dollars) and others.

    The undisputed leader in terms of debt to Russia is Cuba. The Russian authorities estimate Cuba’s debt from the time of the USSR at $ 25–26 billion, but the chances of its return are almost nil. The Cuban government believes that Russia owes this country an even larger sum for a sharp break in economic relations between the USSR and Cuba.


    We have a good economic policy ... recourse
    1. wvivon
      wvivon 18 September 2012 19: 20
      0
      well, the rich have their own habits hi not from your pocket, because the Russian people will not be impoverished (no longer where) crying
      1. Vadivak
        Vadivak 18 September 2012 19: 39
        +8
        Quote: wvivon
        not from your pocket, because the Russian people will not become poor


        Kemska volost?
        1. wvivon
          wvivon 18 September 2012 20: 14
          +9
          no, it’s all just poor Koreans, their hunger will forgive them their debt, poor Arabs and Negroes will write off their debt how easy it is for 4 officials and who to regret the village’s disabled pensioners who fought ?? who turn off the light for a penny debt throw out to die on the streets
          1. Vadivak
            Vadivak 18 September 2012 20: 34
            +5
            Quote: wvivon
            poor koreits unih hunger forgive them debt poor Arabs and blacks write off their debt

            So it was under the USSR, fraternal help was called, now it’s not rolling, they wrote correctly, there’s nothing to give, even natural resources do not save them
            1. spender
              spender 18 September 2012 20: 38
              +4
              Quote: Vadivak
              So it was under the USSR, fraternal help was called,

              Vadim, pay attention in 2007 there were 8 billion .. I do not think that another 3 billion percent came in, that is, Russian money has already been invested here ... winked
              1. Sergh
                Sergh 18 September 2012 20: 45
                +4
                Guys, do not you boil:
                DEBT SETTLEMENT - development of conditions for debt repayment with the participation of a third party, which together with the creditor develops the conditions for repayment of the debt and assumes part of the debt obligations, subsequently paid by the debtor.

                That's how it translates scientifically, and not just a gift, as you think.
            2. mongoose
              mongoose 19 September 2012 08: 44
              +1
              could get a piece of iron and 100 meters of roadside for long-term rent, transit of South Korea to Europe, a tidbit
          2. Kyrgyz
            Kyrgyz 18 September 2012 20: 50
            +1
            Quote: wvivon
            disabled pensioners who fought ?? who turn off the heat for a penny duty they throw out to die on the streets

            And what are the examples?
            1. wvivon
              wvivon 18 September 2012 22: 35
              -3
              you are probably at the lunar station livestock that Rogozin built belay am
              1. geptilshik
                geptilshik 19 September 2012 09: 39
                0
                He is from Kyrgyzstan, they have warmth there
              2. Kyrgyz
                Kyrgyz 19 September 2012 20: 04
                0
                wvivon,
                Quote: wvivon
                you are probably at the lunar station livestock that Rogozin built

                Apparently yes, because there is still not a single veteran and disabled pensioner for the debt on rent paid out of the apartment, it is technically impossible to turn off the heat but did not even hear that this category of citizens turned off the lights, there are precedents for alcoholics but this is not the same
        2. m.metis2011
          m.metis2011 18 September 2012 22: 36
          +2
          ta-taa, Kemska volost, Kemska volost !!! wassat
          1. crazyrom
            crazyrom 18 September 2012 23: 08
            +2
            On the one hand, I feel sorry for the money, but on the other hand, if the USSR didn’t give them money in due time, maybe today there wouldn’t be this Korea, the Americans would have one big problem less. And so Korea lives and builds atomic bombs to our enemies to perdition.
            1. wvivon
              wvivon 18 September 2012 23: 48
              -2
              the poor state with nuclear weapons (to the delight of the whole world who knows who they would shove it from hunger), by the way, there were found missiles to develop grandmother’s nuclear weapons and launch into space, but there is no way to extend debts wink
      2. spender
        spender 18 September 2012 19: 39
        +15
        Most annoying is the fact that after the collapse of the USSR, a poor, collapsing Russian economy did not forgive a penny of debt taken by the USSR ... But we forgive everyone, while normal old people can’t pay pensions ... recourse
        1. Kyrgyz
          Kyrgyz 18 September 2012 20: 57
          +5
          Quote: spender
          Most annoying is the fact that after the collapse of the USSR, a poor, collapsing Russian economy did not forgive a penny of debt taken by the USSR ... But we forgive everyone, while normal old people can’t pay pensions ...

          Forgiving unpromising debts and timely servicing one’s is a matter of prestige, if a country has weight on the world stage, prestige is not the last thing for it, and besides, we brought the former socialist allies to this path laughing Well, who knew that there was a swamp, we left them without a chapter in our faces, well, it seems like we apologized like that, someone admitted that he was not a sheep and she still paid off their debts, and someone was not able to take care of himself. Russia didn’t especially ask forgiveness to her, because she always pays for her bills, you know, you know, to depend on the West, because the Soviet Union also took over the tsar’s, because all this is ours, and not common.
      3. Slayer
        Slayer 18 September 2012 21: 02
        +3
        Yes, they wouldn’t repay one debt to them, they’ll have nothing to eat and then $ 10 billion, and even though the relations will be even warmer, it’s not for nothing that this meeting has just passed, so Russia has interests in this region and donate for these interests money that anyway will never give back in my opinion normally. No empire can be built without bribery. And they really have so tight a bugger that they were ready to take care of the amers, so here either the friendly regime would lose ties in the region, or something like that)
        1. fern
          fern 18 September 2012 21: 14
          0
          where did they share these 10bn? I suppose again on his favorite nuclear bomb
          1. Karish
            Karish 19 September 2012 00: 26
            +4
            Paradox, we have forgiven Syria for 10 billion debt, now North Korea 10 billion. At the same time, Syria is buying weapons from S. Korea for real money. And now the question is who is the sucker here?
      4. S_mirnov
        S_mirnov 19 September 2012 10: 31
        +1
        Freaks in power - the grief of all the Russian people.
    2. commander
      commander 18 September 2012 19: 24
      +3
      Do you really think that the DPRK could give such money?
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 18 September 2012 19: 32
      +4
      Quote: spender
      Many debts by Russia have already been written off, such as Vietnam ($ 10 billion), Iraq ($ 8 billion) and others.


      Especially, in this list, it touches the forgiveness of the debt to the not weak oil-bearing Iraq, exactly after the amers entered Baghdad. It turns out that Russia indirectly financed the creation of a new "democratic" regime.
      1. Radarik606
        Radarik606 19 September 2012 12: 43
        0
        I think there was an agreement on Iraq with Amer, they say you forgive the debt and will be let into the oil industry, Lukoil was allowed (75% share) to one of the largest oil and gas fields in the West Kurna-2 and Western Kurna 1 was given to the Americans and the British, and in my opinion it is incredible success!!!!
        And in Vietnam, Gazprom, Zarubezhneft and TNK, Syria are a separate matter, India has been replenishing the military-industrial complex with orders over the past 20 years, Algeria has also been adding military-industrial complex to Russneft for exploration.
    4. JonnyT
      JonnyT 18 September 2012 19: 59
      +1
      But Korea is now with us !!!!!
      1. Karish
        Karish 19 September 2012 10: 15
        0
        Quote: JonnyT
        But Korea is now with us !!!!!


        give homeless people (near the metro) a loan of money. then forgive me. And after all this, run and rejoice with them.
        In general, besides us, does anyone need it?
    5. Botanologist
      Botanologist 18 September 2012 22: 05
      +3
      I believe that in return for the money (which Korea will never give back, even though it will be successful), our people threw on them some obligations that are adequate to the money spent by the Soviet Union. I suspect that something is connected with Japan, and at the same time with the pipeline to South Korea.
      In principle, such a "boundless" accomplice will come in handy in our difficult times. At the extreme, they will become the first echelon in front of Alaska or Irutup - everything is better than drowning your fleet for the amusement of the public.
      Money then profiled for any, and even nothing to take. Only if Koreans for Moscow construction projects fool
      1. REPA1963
        REPA1963 18 September 2012 22: 25
        -3
        Nobody threw anything over, they simply forgave everything and they won’t become any train, they get food from the United States, if the Yankees stop giving them there will be general hunger, and do not forget that we have 50 km of border or 100 I don’t remember exactly.
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 18 September 2012 22: 38
          0
          For them, it is fundamentally important Chinese food, fuels and lubricants and so on, and not American. China contains them
          1. Karish
            Karish 19 September 2012 15: 59
            -1
            Quote: DIMS

            For them, it is fundamentally important Chinese food, fuels and lubricants and so on, and not American. China contains them

            It’s important for them to sit on someone’s neck. hanging noodles on the ears wassat
      2. Radarik606
        Radarik606 19 September 2012 12: 47
        -1
        In my opinion, it is necessary to push the pipeline to the South Caucasus, and then numerous questions about the price and the consumer will disappear!
      3. Karish
        Karish 19 September 2012 15: 58
        +1
        Quote: Botanologist
        I suppose in return for the money (which Korea will never give back, even though it’s good)

        rest assured
        Quote: Botanologist
        ours threw on them some obligations that

        they will never do it (they probably promised to give the same money)
        Quote: Botanologist
        I suspect that something related to Japan,

        And I suppose with suckers
        Quote: Botanologist
        along with the pipeline to South Korea.

        And then they will definitely hold for the eggs both us and South Korea
    6. Igorboss16
      Igorboss16 18 September 2012 23: 05
      +1
      not only the majority of the people below the poverty line so our government is still throwing money down the drain, but for such amounts you could do so much, and now shish
    7. Yarbay
      Yarbay 19 September 2012 07: 24
      +2
      Quote: spender
      We have a good economic policy.

      I just don’t understand why, at the expense of debts, it’s impossible to take control of certain industries in debtor countries, as was done, for example, in Armenia!
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 19 September 2012 10: 19
        +1
        Yarbay,
        I just don’t understand why, at the expense of debts, it’s impossible to take control of certain industries in debtor countries, as was done, for example, in Armenia!

        Yesterday and Samsebenaume proposed a similar idea. In debtor countries, create military bases.
        And the sheep are safe and the wolves are full! good
        1. Yarbay
          Yarbay 19 September 2012 13: 53
          0
          Quote: Odessa
          Yesterday and Samsebenaume proposed a similar idea. In debtor countries, make military bases

          Esther military bases is still an expense !!
          It seems to me quite realistic to get into the account of debt, profitable enterprises or at least part of the assets !! Railways, ports, etc. !!
  2. andrei332809
    andrei332809 18 September 2012 19: 16
    0
    Looking for friends against China? China versus Amers, and Korea versus China?
    1. St Petrov
      St Petrov 19 September 2012 10: 29
      0
      you mixed up Korea. Generally, the people of Korea have a difficult and sad fate. Our 90s are flowers. So I am always for helping the weak. They do not scamper and spend money mainly on grain and an economy that they do not have. There is generally no food except algae.

      I am not impoverished with this forgiven debt. So all the high-flown tears about prone money at our expense ... This is such nonsense

      The Americans sponsor the South. But not for long =]
      1. Karish
        Karish 19 September 2012 16: 12
        0
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        Generally, the people of Korea have a difficult and sad fate.

        Yes, unlike the South, they were not lucky, they didn’t put on those
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        So I am always for helping the weak.

        first help your weak retirees. disabled people, veterans, children. Something I don’t see if prosperous Sweden, Norway, Luxembourg would run to help the North. Korea, and they have fewer problems than in Russia.
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        They do not scamper and spend money mainly on grain and an economy that they do not have.

        In nuclear weapons, which they have few, an army - of which they have many, but I doubt the grain
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        I'm not impoverished with this forgiven debt

        did not live rich, do not hell and start. Only debts in such countries accumulated more than 114 billion (forgiven), and in the late 90s, Russia was on its knees before the IMF, which would have given 10 billion. in debt, and he only set demands. And not one of these friends (including Syria, Korea, Algeria, Nicaragua, Angola, Ethiopia, etc.) offered help or did not lend money. (By the way, Syria then was in a very not bad situation) Nobody remembered that the grandmother owed that they were helped. but they chuckled quietly in their corners and wished for one thing, so that Russia would fall apart altogether, then they would not remember the grandmothers.
        And now you are for helping the poor, and when you were poor, who helped you out of your former friends?
        Quote: s-t Petrov
        So all the high-flown tears about prone money at our expense ... This is such nonsense

        this, what you wrote is nonsense. This money is not kindergartens, schools, apartments for your parents, you and your children.
        1. St Petrov
          St Petrov 19 September 2012 20: 47
          0
          I’ll tell you so about forgiven debts - Russia pays OMERIKA (as a tribute) $ 200-300 billion a year (!) year

          This is all spelled out in the law on the Central Bank =]

          And at the expense of kindergartens and schools - do not worry. They have been built a lot. Since 2008.

          And Russia is still kneeling before the Fed. =] Because no one listened to Putin in 2004

          And I'm still not rich, but not poor either. And I will always help friends with what is) Even if my woman is against)
  3. Black Colonel
    Black Colonel 18 September 2012 19: 19
    +2
    He can organize (create) a microstate, take a debt from Russia, and then restructure it! Why would a normal business be ...
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 18 September 2012 19: 41
      +1
      Quote: Black Colonel
      It can organize (create) a microstate, take a debt from Russia

      Late sir! Offshores are already made more nimble.
    2. Kyrgyz
      Kyrgyz 18 September 2012 21: 03
      +2
      Quote: Black Colonel
      He can organize (create) a microstate, take a debt from Russia, and then restructure it! Why would a normal business be ...

      Credit will be given and forgiven, but it won’t leave the limits of Moscow, and after paying all the thanks for the correct approvals and approvals, you still have to remain intermediaries and consultants tongue
  4. abeluk
    abeluk 18 September 2012 19: 20
    +5
    not sickly decided !!! Medvedev can solve long-standing conflicts: Norway has unfastened 200 square miles of the Barents Sea, here 000 billion from the noble shoulder! In ancient times, such ambassadors (who so solved the issues) chopped their heads. and here I dug up a tax deduction for land last year for 10 rubles! so threatened with a court if I do not pay!
    1. commander
      commander 18 September 2012 19: 26
      +1
      There is such a situation that the DPRK is simply a poor country, it simply cannot pay such an amount! As you do not understand, they had a natural hunger in the 90s, and you want 11 billion from them!
      1. DIMS
        DIMS 18 September 2012 19: 43
        +2
        Exactly. Debt still have to be written off.
        1. commander
          commander 18 September 2012 19: 46
          0
          Would you be careful with
          Exactly. Debt still have to be written off.

          And then they will zaminusvat and get numb like me
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 18 September 2012 19: 51
            -1
            Yes, let them be minus.
            All the same, the DPRK is in a deep hole, and the chances of getting debt from it are not a harsh reality. And so, with a black sheep, even a tuft of wool.
            1. commander
              commander 18 September 2012 19: 53
              -2
              And then! And as for geopolitics - we already have full worries and writing off the debt to the poor Korea is third-rate!
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 18 September 2012 20: 03
                0
                This is a curtsy in the direction of our Chinese allies at the moment.
          2. spender
            spender 18 September 2012 19: 52
            +2
            Quote: military commander
            And then they will zaminusvat and get numb like me

            And then you do not know why you are being minus. winked Drawn in due time ... laughing
            1. DIMS
              DIMS 18 September 2012 20: 02
              0
              Thinking wrong and writing wrong? Yes, for this it is necessary to minus constantly, without even reading
              1. spender
                spender 18 September 2012 20: 06
                +2
                Quote: DIMS
                Thinking wrong and writing wrong? Yes, for this it is necessary to minus constantly, without even reading

                There is something else ... I don’t call you and others to anything, but the Neighbor himself knows his "shoals", so he calls out to the people out of habit laughing
                1. commander
                  commander 18 September 2012 20: 12
                  -2
                  I don’t know who you are, I registered here for the first time, but I’ve already been cured in "wool" crying
        2. saturn.mmm
          saturn.mmm 18 September 2012 21: 15
          0
          Quote: DIMS
          Exactly. Debt still have to be written off.

          Probably more profitable, in conspiracy with South Korea, is two billion to finance the revolution with the subsequent unification of Korea and with the demand for installment debt.
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 18 September 2012 21: 28
            -1
            No color revolutions are scary to Juche ideas.

            We should at least organize railway communication with the South Caucasus through the territory of the DPRK. And there was talk about this in Ulan-Uda. Maybe it will.
      2. Vadivak
        Vadivak 18 September 2012 19: 46
        +4
        Quote: military commander
        she simply will not be able to pay such an amount!

        True, they are alive only at the expense of China, its only faithful ally, and importer (about 50% of the country's total trade)
        1. DIMS
          DIMS 18 September 2012 19: 54
          +1
          That's it. The Chinese are not stupid, they need the DPRK so that the South Caucasus does not feel very freely.
    2. Tsim
      Tsim 18 September 2012 19: 31
      +2
      Sympathize with you. If you don’t pay you will be imprisoned angry will be shot sad will make a split am . Better to pay.

      Z.Y. I support the current leadership of the country, but there are so many things that need to be disposed of.

      Z.Y.Y. For example, sit behind a wagon, not a bag.
      1. JonnyT
        JonnyT 18 September 2012 20: 01
        0
        Do they lie they themselves transplant ....... here they need help
    3. Karabin
      Karabin 18 September 2012 19: 38
      0
      Quote: abeluk
      Medvedev knows how to solve long-standing conflicts:

      Putin is also not a blunder in these matters.
  5. Karabin
    Karabin 18 September 2012 19: 27
    +2
    Russia and North Korea settled debt in 11 billion dollars

    Russia has forgiven debt of 10 billion and has almost forgiven debt of 1 billion.
  6. TUNISIA
    TUNISIA 18 September 2012 19: 28
    +4
    Russia is a generous soul ... Forgive by this, forgive others ... And at the same time we still cannot compare the minimum wage with the cost of living. We are truly the richest country.
    1. Samsebenaum
      Samsebenaum 18 September 2012 19: 38
      +4
      TUNISIA
      Wage increase? Yes you what !!?
      Can you order payment of housing and communal services?
      I could on this occasion share information about the concept of power regarding the situation of the people, but I think they will ban me and delete the comment.
      1. klimpopov
        klimpopov 18 September 2012 20: 02
        +2
        And why, why so much. Vryatli banned and minus, well, they surrendered to you, but I would read.
        1. Samsebenaum
          Samsebenaum 18 September 2012 20: 44
          +2
          When the topic is appropriate I will write about it.
  7. Samsebenaum
    Samsebenaum 18 September 2012 19: 30
    +5
    Somehow too easily we will ruin people's denyuzhkami.
    Maybe it's better not to "forgive" debts, but to squeeze them out to the maximum?
    For example, is this a good reason to restore (build) military bases on the territory of debtors?
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 18 September 2012 19: 47
      -1
      Do Russia have any extra military? When it cries there, the Lord God Himself does not know, but he certainly cries.
    2. TUNISIA
      TUNISIA 18 September 2012 19: 48
      +1
      It is necessary to submit an idea up to create the Federal Collider Service. Let the debts kick out. angry
  8. lelikas
    lelikas 18 September 2012 19: 50
    0
    Sergey Storchak - regulate my relations with dentists !!!
  9. Chicot 1
    Chicot 1 18 September 2012 19: 54
    +6
    It’s not painful to comment on this, if I may say so, and it was a pleasure ... Yes, something suddenly started to whine ... Why? .. But because ...
    ... - got it! .. got it with its stupid kindness. And by and large, I wanted to blow my nose at the fact that DPRK would be able to give this amount away or not. Let them like they want to spin - they sell colormet, they collect bottles, they go to the porch or to the panel ... They fucking disciplined people, let them go in order. Girls on the left. Boys on the right. Or, if they so desire, then vice versa ...
    And it's not even about the money itself. Although they also have a price. And a rather big one I must say ... The point is in principle, a simple principle that has been in circulation since time immemorial: "Take - give it back!" ...
    But in this case, it’s not the position of the Koreans that amazes ... Those who agreed for their own interests ... But the position of our state husbands who easily give such a deduction is astounding ...
    In general, I understand that this amount would not play a huge role for the Russian economy, and for some reason I’m even sure that it would be halved ... But that is not the point. And that give. And give ours with you. And not even ours specifically, but what is earned and earned honestly and honestly by the older generation. Also Soviet. Our fathers and older brothers. And no one asked them for consent ...

    And sometimes evil already takes ...
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 18 September 2012 20: 00
      +4
      I agree with every word, if only they would have taken in kind then ...
      1. commander
        commander 18 September 2012 20: 07
        0
        And what is the "nature" of the DPRK? I am very interested in what you want to get from them?
        1. Kars
          Kars 18 September 2012 20: 32
          +2
          Quote: military commander
          And what is the "nature" of the DPRK?

          You can consider a place under the Naval Base. It would be useful.

          Maybe Ukraine will become a little spinier with a mention of the fact that the Russian Federation took upon itself the debts of the USSR. Although, as we see, it also took over the debts to the USSR.
          1. DIMS
            DIMS 18 September 2012 20: 35
            0
            Military bases on a powder keg are not being built.
            And about the debts, it left the USSR such that it was only to write off and forget
            1. Kars
              Kars 18 September 2012 20: 48
              +2
              Quote: DIMS
              Military bases on a powder keg do not build

              Bases are built where profitable.
              Quote: DIMS
              set the USSR such that only write off and forget

              You can never say that. You can always get something.
              For some reason, the debts of the USSR were not written off.
              1. DIMS
                DIMS 18 September 2012 21: 01
                +1
                Quote: Kars
                Bases are built where profitable.

                On a powder keg is not profitable. If the Chinese do not want to go there, then we have nothing to do there.

                Quote: Kars
                You can never say that. You can always get something.
                For some reason, the debts of the USSR were not written off.

                With a black sheep even a tuft of wool? Maybe, but no more.
                And as for the debts of the USSR, they not only were not written off, but they drove us even deeper into the debt hole. Moreover, it was paid that the USSR did not recognize, for example, debts under Lend-Lease. It’s just that we have minerals who will write us something.
                Yours, by the way, stepped on the same rake with the IMF, and now they are paying. In New York, a budget ride is approved. Belarus, there too. To contact these crafters is more expensive.
                1. Kars
                  Kars 18 September 2012 21: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: DIMS
                  On a powder keg is not profitable

                  Ask for Okinawa or Diego Garcia.
                  Quote: DIMS
                  Yours, by the way, stepped on the same rake with the IMF, and now they are paying

                  And where did they get the money?
                  if it hadn’t been stolen, it would have been easier. But the OBKhSS was gone, and no one had to explain where the Merc and the three-story house came from.
                  1. DIMS
                    DIMS 18 September 2012 21: 20
                    -2
                    Quote: Kars
                    Ask for Okinawa or Diego Garcia.

                    They will not let me go to Okinawa, there the Americans messed up, all the girls were overpowered.
                    But picking up Diego Garcia on account of paying part of the US debt to Russia is quite possible.

                    Quote: Kars
                    if it had not been stolen, it would have been easier.

                    Exactly. I learned today that enterprises working on an Iraqi order have large wage arrears. Ohrenel.
                    http://www.mediaport.ua/news/economy/83875/shevchenkovtsam__10_millionov_malyish
                    evtsam__9_kabmin_dal_dengi_na_zarplatyi_
                    1. Kars
                      Kars 18 September 2012 21: 27
                      +2
                      Quote: DIMS
                      But to pick up Diego Garcia on account of paying part of the US debt to Russia is quite possible

                      Uspekhov. And about Okinawa, think)))
                      Quote: DIMS
                      Iraqi commissioners pay big salary debts

                      Well, there are still debts from the king of pea tianus.
                2. Karish
                  Karish 19 September 2012 16: 22
                  0
                  Quote: DIMS
                  And about the debts of the USSR, they not only were not written off, but they drove us even deeper into the debt hole.

                  Not quite right . But no one showed us gestures like us
                  January 25, the Ministry of Finance is joyfully aboutHe announced the final settlement of debt to the London Club of creditors, inherited by Russia from the former Soviet Union. Liabilities to the London Club represented a debt to 600 private commercial banks in Western Europe, the USA and Japan on loans attracted by Vnesheconombank of the USSR until December 31, 1991. The total amount of money raised then exceeded 30 billion dollars.

                  At first, the new Russia regularly paid the money, but then a default occurred in August 1998, and the government ceased to service the debts of the former USSR. After the default, Russian leaders traveled around the world financial centers for a long time, agreeing to write off debts and negotiating with the IMF about new financial assistance. Then-Minister of Finance Mikhail Kasyanovit was possible to convince creditors to write off a substantial part of Soviet debt and its restructuring.

                  In February 2000, creditors of the London Club 36,5 percent - 10,5 billion dollars of the debt amount were written off, and the remaining debt of 31,7 billion dollars was transferred to Eurobonds, the maturity of which will come in 2010 and 2030. The operation, as noted in the Ministry of Finance, became unique in terms of the restructured debt - $ 21,2 billion, and the number of participants - more than 400 financial institutions. 99,9 percent of creditors accepted the offers on the exchange of debt on Eurobonds. But the existence of a debt balance, albeit a microscopic one, did not allow us to speak of a final settlement of the public debt.
              2. saturn.mmm
                saturn.mmm 18 September 2012 21: 36
                0
                Quote: Kars
                Bases are built where profitable.

                Explain how it relates to North Korea.
          2. Karish
            Karish 19 September 2012 16: 19
            0
            Quote: Kars
            You can consider a place under the Naval Base. It would be useful.

            Let them work. Build roads and dig pits.
        2. Chicot 1
          Chicot 1 18 September 2012 20: 34
          +1
          What personally I would like to receive from "them", dear commander?.. Good question. Essentially, however ... Well ...
          I will answer honestly and frankly, as if in spirit - one hundred and forty-millionth part of the indicated 11 billion green American money. And one more share for each of my family members ... I even with great pleasure will pay the treasury due by law 13% of the income from this money ...

          And by the way, dear commander, you "+" for this question ...
          1. Karish
            Karish 19 September 2012 16: 27
            0
            Quote: Chicot 1
            And by the way, dear military man, you "+" for this question ...

            and to you (+), for a wonderful answer. When everyone understands that there is a 140 millionth part of his money in any forgiven (just as much as debt, as well as loans that are not repayable), then talk differently. You give an unclear uncle 1000 dollars in debt? And if 1000 will be collected from each member of your family? That's almost so much money Russia has forgiven * friends * ---- 114 billion dollars (excluding pennies and interest on late payments)
        3. Karish
          Karish 19 September 2012 16: 18
          0
          Quote: military commander
          And what is the "nature" of the DPRK? I am very interested in what you want to get from them?

          Disciplined people - free labor. Strength on road construction in Siberia.
    2. ruslan7608
      ruslan7608 18 September 2012 21: 12
      0
      I agree with you, they would take and add to pensioners, otherwise they add 200-400 rubles each. once every six months, for that they shout about it as if they had doubled their pension.
    3. cool.cube2012
      cool.cube2012 18 September 2012 22: 43
      +1
      the actions of the authorities to forgive debts seem irrational and incomprehensible to us. But if we imagine for a second that they are carrying out orders or orders from Washington, then everything falls into place. The worse for the people and Russia, the better for the world rulers and their puppets in authorities. The poorer we are, the faster the collapse of the country. And this is their main goal. By the word them, I mean the elect of God.
      1. GOGY
        GOGY 19 September 2012 08: 11
        +1
        I agree 100% and do not add anything, nor turn it down
    4. Karish
      Karish 19 September 2012 16: 17
      0
      Quote: Chicot 1
      The point is in principle, a simple principle that has been in circulation since time immemorial: "Take - give it back!" ...

      (+) under each word.
  10. andrei332809
    andrei332809 18 September 2012 20: 09
    +4
    I remembered how swearing was with the Bulbash. dad should have something in the region of 200-300 thousand tanks, so our rulers with "blood" pulled out from him, and at the same time they forgave billions of debts to Karzai (Afghan). and Karzai was then with amers on Vas-Vas
    1. DIMS
      DIMS 18 September 2012 20: 36
      -1
      Belarus repays debts
  11. erased
    erased 18 September 2012 20: 39
    +1
    Good dollar price was 60 cents! Ehh, nostalgia!
  12. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 18 September 2012 20: 43
    +2
    yeah, Russia is a generous soul, just like from an advertisement ... sad ...
    1. aksakal
      aksakal 18 September 2012 21: 30
      0
      Quote: sasha 19871987
      yeah Russia is a generous soul
      - and why without pride and sadness? Is it bad to be a generous soul and a generous soul as a state? Only those states become empires, without whose existence the "sub-imperial" states can no longer exist, that's the whole secret. The Marshall Plan also caused such a storm of indignation among amer citizens at one time, thanks to this plan, both France and Germany quickly won back their pre-war positions. Or do you no longer want to be an empire here? Well then, what is it all about? Why do you root for Syria? What upset you so much that when Serbia was not asked for it? Be not an empire, become Switzerland, live quietly and richly, what's the question? Or do we want to become an empire, but without those burdensome things that empires have to endure? Like as one said there: "We honestly won you in due time, that's it, now you are our property forever!" Do you want to laugh at this place?
      1. Karabin
        Karabin 18 September 2012 22: 04
        +2
        Quote: aksakal
        and a generous soul by the state?

        Name at least one.
        Quote: aksakal
        The Marshall Plan also caused such a storm of indignation among Amer citizens at the time, thanks to this plan, both France and Germany quickly won back to pre-war positions.

        And at the same time, the whole world got hooked on the dollar, as the main currency. States are still successfully using this. In terms of Marshall Altruism, 0,0.
        Quote: aksakal
        Be not an empire, become Switzerland, live quietly and richly,

        But who will let us live like this. Yes, and we can’t.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 18 September 2012 23: 35
          0
          Quote: Karabin
          But who will let us live like this. Yes, and we can’t.
          - do not you think that the phrase "and we ourselves can not" is key, confirming my correctness and at the same time crossing out your above objections? Not destiny to be Switzerland, destiny to be an empire - bear your cross so worthily, why groan at the same time?
        2. aksakal
          aksakal 19 September 2012 08: 33
          0
          Quote: Karabin
          In terms of Marshall Altruism, 0,0.

          - I do not think that support for the DPRK at one time was altruism. And in general, from the point of view of ethologists (instinct specialists), altruism is a peculiar form of egoism. We in society support someone who has fallen into a difficult situation as if from altruism - in fact, we are creating a tradition or way that is beneficial to us, which can help us in difficult times. Is it logical? Can’t you see a tough, selfish note?
  13. arutun
    arutun 18 September 2012 21: 04
    +2
    Interestingly, if a Russian citizen owed Sberbank say 11 million, he would be forgiven 10. and help with utility bills ???
    take a loan or something)))
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 18 September 2012 22: 31
      0
      Dry the crackers first, and then the loan so that there is something to eat on the run.
  14. Kyrgyz
    Kyrgyz 18 September 2012 21: 06
    0
    In fact, we just made a bet, but she didn’t play, it happens not only in the casino
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 18 September 2012 21: 55
      +1
      Quote: Kyrgyz
      In fact, we just made a bet, but she didn’t play,

      Did this Iraqi bet also fail? Or maybe they "advised" to forget about the bet?
  15. Hippopotamus
    Hippopotamus 18 September 2012 21: 29
    +1
    Russian generosity knows no bounds!
    It's a pity, of course, the Korean hard workers, but who would have regretted ours ...
  16. aksakal
    aksakal 18 September 2012 21: 50
    0
    But if it is at all serious, then such issues are not solved right away. Such an amount can only be forgiven on the basis of careful consideration by experts. And since they came to this conclusion, it means that there was no other way out. In the Far East, Russia already has enough enemies. Here and Japan with its Kuriles, and China is pressing ... There was also not enough offended and inflated for the "unfortunate 11 yards" how is it? Kim Jong-un, or something. Or is the preservation of the Far East and Siberia in general not worth the money, the return of which is generally questionable? I think that DPRK should at least recognize Abkhazia and South Ossetia for such a step, or what? Here I am not entirely in the know, correct if that. The base is not a base, and if there is some trouble, then there is an ally. Authoritarian regimes of this kind like dogs are either selflessly devoted or hated with all their hearts. For some reason, cold rationality and cold calculation are inaccessible to them. This also needs to be taken into account in foreign policy, isn't it?
    1. REPA1963
      REPA1963 18 September 2012 22: 32
      0
      This is not an ally; this is a parasite most likely.
    2. Karabin
      Karabin 18 September 2012 22: 43
      0
      Again, I do not agree with you, aksakal.
      Quote: aksakal
      There was also not enough offended and inflated for the "unfortunate 11 yards" how is it? Kim Jong Un,

      Comrade Kim Jong-un, if he gets a taste, can very quickly forget about the "unfortunate 11 yards", and be offended, for example, for failure to supply food. It is clear that Korea will not be able to repay debts not today, not in the near future. Freeze the debt and let it lie until better times, as an argument in negotiations. Why zero, I don’t understand?
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 18 September 2012 23: 32
        0
        Quote: Karabin
        Freeze debt and let it lie until better times, as an argument in the negotiations. Why reset, I do not understand?
        - there is a reason in this, but it is difficult to judge here, the lack of information affects, therefore we now look like fortune-tellers. But the fact is the fact - the retention of such a huge territory, on which there are also millions of carats of diamonds, is not a cheap pleasure. There are many who wish. It is best to fence off those willing ones with buffer zones in the form of satellite states. Well, these satellite states are, according to Murphy's law, as a rule, freeloaders. Look at the behavior of the same Kyrgyzstan or the same Tajikistan. True, the Russian political leadership is acting more harshly and pragmatically there - in response to the Tajiks' desire to earn extra money, the Khorog crisis arises unexpectedly and "accidentally", after which the Tajiks quickly forget about their dreams. I do not think that this seemingly random "Khorog" crisis cost the Russian treasury for free. Special operations are also not cheap. But with the DPRK, because of their own considerations, they did just that. So there are reasons. I just convey the idea that these costs will be for anyone, there is no getting away from them, and therefore the universal howl over these costs is not entirely appropriate. IMHO.
        1. aksakal
          aksakal 19 September 2012 07: 19
          0
          Quote: aksakal
          Well, these satellite states - according to Murphy’s law, are usually parasites


          - I’ll add, if the state is a buffer and at the same time strong and independent, then it will even be more dangerous than the state from which it is initially fenced off with a buffer. Look at the behavior of Turkey - all these pan-Turkic ideas, thoughts about the Crimea and so on. If not the pressure of Amera, Iran would have had its own thoughts on the division of the Caspian and other.
          No, of course, there are pleasant exceptions like Kazakhstan. The buffer state for two superpowers - Russia and China at the same time, performs its buffer affairs well, and feeds itself, grazes there quietly in its meadow, regularly supplies raw materials, is pleased with the tiny thanks that these superpowers are dumping for it - well, loans preferential, on the one hand, weapons with a symbolic discount - on the other. So, this is an exception, and you can minus the second, but security is more expensive, and I would like Kazakhstan to pursue a more effective policy in this regard - after all, it is necessary to compensate for its enormous moral suffering caused by the endless refusals of tempting Amer suggestions and awareness of lost profits. And then right there are so convenient for everyone. Not very bready
  17. iulai
    iulai 18 September 2012 22: 06
    +1
    the government and the president have no rights to write off such debts; the consent of both houses of parliament is necessary.
    1. Karabin
      Karabin 18 September 2012 22: 31
      0
      Quote: iulai
      need the consent of both houses of parliament.

      There are no problems with this, they will approve anything.
    2. REPA1963
      REPA1963 18 September 2012 22: 35
      0
      Say counterrevolutionary things, dear, you want to undermine the state principles in Russia, you never asked the consent of the representatives of the people, and apparently they will never ask.
  18. Hey
    Hey 18 September 2012 22: 47
    +1
    And here is the good news for the coming dream:
    21:22 18/09/2012


    WASHINGTON, Sep 18 - RIA Novosti, Maria Tabak. The United States Agency for International Development (USAID) ceases operations in Russia, according to a statement by the official representative of the US Department of State Victoria Nuland.

    “The United States recently learned from the Russian government about the decision to end USAID's activities in Russia. We are very proud of what USAID has achieved in Russia over the past two decades, and we will continue to work with our partners and staff to responsibly complete USAID programs or transfer powers ", - the document says.

    "Although the physical presence of USAID in Russia has come to an end, we remain committed to upholding democracy, human rights and the development of a healthy civil society in Russia, and strive to continue to work with Russian NGOs," the statement said.

    US Agency for International Development - created by John F. Kennedy in 1961, the agency of the US federal government. It is engaged in supporting the development of the economy, health care, providing emergency humanitarian assistance, assisting in the prevention of conflicts and supporting the development of democracy in more than a hundred countries.
  19. sxn278619
    sxn278619 18 September 2012 22: 55
    0
    As someone said
    No man no problem.
    Don’t lend it all.
    They gave Venezuela a loan of 5 billion. dale
    They won’t choose a president with cancer.
    Fools are stepping on the same rake all the time, maybe this time they’ll be lucky.
  20. Konstantm
    Konstantm 19 September 2012 00: 21
    0
    Tolerant must be tolerant.
    How they were sickened by their tolerance.
  21. Karish
    Karish 19 September 2012 00: 29
    0
    Yus give grandmas and build bases, ours give grandmas - give (forgive) the USSR really fought for peace. wassat
  22. Onotollah
    Onotollah 19 September 2012 05: 21
    +2
    I'm sorry, but there is no word "forgiven" in the message. There are "settled". And there is the phrase "cancellation is possible." It is not yet known how the leader of S. Korea will be unscrewed for 11 billion.
    Let's see how it ends
    1. Karish
      Karish 19 September 2012 16: 31
      0
      Quote: Onotolle
      I'm sorry, but there is no word "forgiven" in the message. There are "settled". And there is the phrase "cancellation is possible." It is not yet known how the leader of S. Korea will be unscrewed for 11 billion.
      Let's see how it ends

      Understand the diploma. language and S. Korea is no different from other countries such as Syria - which has forgiven debts of 10 billion in return for a promise to buy weapons for 4 billion. --- Well, where is all this now?
      1. Onotollah
        Onotollah 20 September 2012 19: 46
        0
        You know, based purely on ideas about human nature, one hardly believes in the forgiveness of such a huge amount. At least with impunity.
        Maybe they’ll take loyalty or place the bases or something else. There are many options.
  23. Su24
    Su24 19 September 2012 06: 27
    -1
    We are so rich, proud of Russia!)) 11 billion? Yes easily!
  24. wolverine7778
    wolverine7778 19 September 2012 07: 27
    0
    Friends are forgiven hi
    1. Karish
      Karish 19 September 2012 16: 32
      0
      Quote: wolverine7778
      Friends are forgiven

      Take me as a friend!
      With such friends you yourself will go around the world. and they will find other friends.
  25. GOGY
    GOGY 19 September 2012 08: 31
    +1
    If they cannot repay the debts, they must freeze until either they have money, or until real men come to power with us. I understand that both events are unlikely, but this money is unbuilt roads and houses, beggarly pensions and salaries, a poor army and a scanty fleet, and all this is the fruit of our generosity, and I would say - embezzlement on an especially large scale, for which in the Union " vyshak "gave
    1. Karish
      Karish 19 September 2012 16: 33
      0
      Quote: GOGY
      If you can’t repay your debts - you need to freeze,

      There is international arbitration and debt collection opportunities. At the same North. Korea has both property and assets abroad. Or only Russia can arrest sailboats?
  26. Hey
    Hey 19 September 2012 10: 36
    0
    I think that the debt settlement document contains a small paragraph, and at the very bottom of the document, in small print, but nonetheless very significant, namely the provision of sea ports and bases, airfields, and other military infrastructure in the DPRK, in which case or Russian conflict in the Pacific. Or something like that. I do not believe in selfless generosity.
    1. Karish
      Karish 19 September 2012 16: 35
      0
      Quote: MUD
      I think in the document on the settlement of the debt, there is a fad, and at the very bottom of the document, in small print, but nonetheless very significant, namely

      What if you want without Vaseline. it is possible without it.
      Quote: MUD
      on the provision of seaports and bases, airfields, and other military infrastructure, on the territory of the DPRK, in the event of any conflict of Russia in the Pacific

      Yes, who needs it, and the reliability of these contracts is no more expensive than the paper on which they are written.
      Quote: MUD
      . I do not believe in selfless generosity.

      BELIEVE laughing angry
      Ask Ethiopians, Egypt, Syria, Nicaragua, Angola, Congo, North. Korea, Warsaw Pact countries, Cuba, Laos, Vietnam, Kampuchea, India (maybe to a lesser extent), etc.
      Where is the money - Zin?
  27. GP
    GP 19 September 2012 23: 53
    -1
    Provocative article. Not a word about the fact that a few days earlier a tripartite agreement was reached between North and South Korea and Gazprom to resume the process of laying an onshore gas pipeline to South Korea, which is now going there to LNG, in quantities insufficient for South Koreans, they want more and cheaper . The debt of the North is the guarantee that the gas pipeline will be beyond the political Korean intrigues. The debt itself will quietly pay the South. According to anyone, in the event of a union, any Korea should pay for it.
  28. smart fellow
    smart fellow 20 February 2020 17: 40
    0
    Interest is usurious: 2007-8 billion, 2011-11 billion.
    The USSR gave Cuba a loan for the construction of a nuclear power plant - the work was 90% completed and stopped. There is no nuclear power plant, but the debt remains. In North Korea, Moscow also agreed to build a nuclear power plant, but at the request of American friends refused.
    The economist Alexei Maslov believes that for 1 ruble of assistance to African countries, the USSR received 1,6 rubles. arrived. In addition, 60 kopecks were counted in Moscow. for $ 1 at the rate in the USSR.
    The US also helps other countries. Sometimes even when they don’t ask. However, the USSR so helped Afghanistan.