The Zircon hypersonic missile launched as part of the test cycle hits a coastal target

Despite the start of mass production of the Zircon hypersonic missiles, the Ministry of Defense continues testing the latest missile. The next launch of the Zircon was carried out by the frigate Admiral Gorshkov. This was reported by the press service of the military department.

According to the report, the next launch of the Zircon hypersonic missile was carried out as part of the completion of the test cycle of a new weapons... The rocket was launched from the board of the frigate "Admiral Gorshkov", from the very beginning participating in the tests. The ship was at one of the sea ranges of the Northern fleet in the White Sea. Shooting was carried out at a coastal target, a rocket launched from a ship successfully hit the target at the Chizha training ground in the Arkhangelsk region.

According to the objective control data, the rocket flight corresponded to the specified parameters, the rocket confirmed the inherent characteristics. Ships and ships of the Belomorsk Naval Base were involved in the provision of firing and the closure of the area, as well as aviation Northern Fleet.

Earlier, the Ministry of Defense said that tests of the Zircon from a surface launch vehicle would continue, the two previous launches took place in November, both times against sea targets. The frigate of the Northern Fleet "Admiral Gorshkov" took part in the tests. Later, information appeared about the tests of "Zircon" from the board of the first standard missile carrier - the nuclear submarine "Perm" of the "Yasen-M" project. They are planned in 2024 or in the first half of 2025 and are associated not with the rocket itself, but with a modified design of the submarine.

The supply of Zircon hypersonic missiles for surface ships will begin next year after the missile is officially adopted, for submarine carriers - later, a source in the defense industry named 2025.

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[Bear]

Well, that's for sure - a powerful information attack on our "partners". Every day, then about Zircon.

[military_cat]

Quote: Orso

Well, that's for sure - a powerful information attack on our "partners". Every day, then about Zircon.

Very similar to that. A summit with NATO countries on the "red lines" is just around the corner - let's see how impressed they are.

[Thrifty]

Whatever some members of the forum did not write on the forum, Zircon was clearly successful, and now they are clearly bringing to mind the missile guidance system on the target, so that it was possible to hit the target without reducing the missile's flight speed, on hypersound.

[Mountain shooter]

They informed me in a streamlined way. Not a word about the launch range, flight parameters ... everything is normal ... So maybe you don't need to "strip" in public? A half-naked blade seems more dangerous

[Cb master]

What is there to expose? There was not a single photo of her flying, and this is the most interesting Only launches, but at this stage it is no different from calibers.

[slipped]

Quote: CB Master

What is there to expose? There was not a single photo of her flying, and this is the most interesting Only launches, but at this stage it is no different from calibers.

And her appearance is classified. So that they do not copy everything to anyone. If something similar appears for others, it will be declassified.

Earlier, why was the same "Onyx" declassified? We tried to make money on exports. Now with "Zircon" this is not yet required, for it is the same in the world.

[Serge-667]

So there is no photo of the flight of tank shells either. Something tells me that Zircon is the same blank, no matter where to fly.

[1976AG]

"So there is no photo of the flight of tank shells either"

There are also photos and videos.

[Lena Petrova]

Zircon flies 2-3 times faster than the projectile.

[Serge-667]

Well, the starting projectile is about Mach 6. Quite a hypersound))
But not the point. If Zircon is equally shot at stationary coastal objects and at moving sea objects, then there is no need to talk about a guidance system in flight. It is possible to simply correct the trajectory. But then interesting conclusions emerge, which I will not say).

[Recoil]

Start - 1,780 km / s, i.e. less than 1,5 Max

[Serge-667]

Start - 1,780 km / s, i.e. less than 1,5 Max

how would it be ... the dimensions m / s and km / s will you correlate yourself?

[EMMM]

Where is such a gun with a speed of 2000 m / s at the barrel cut?

[Serge-667]

Where is such a gun with a speed of 2000 m / s at the barrel cut?

No problem))

[mmaxx]

F tank
Smoothbore

[Vladimir 290]

Yes everything is correct. And cartoons are still showing and the Crimean bridge was drawn. But in Ukraine, the military-industrial complex is working at all, only the truth is that all over the world the decommissioned weapons have to be begged

[Cb master]

ahah, even wondering why there are so many minuses, for what I wanted to see how it flies?
Topvar guarding the secrets of the Motherland

[And Us Rat]

Quote: CB Master

ahah, even wondering why there are so many minuses, for what I wanted to see how it flies?

Doubt is not allowed, the authorities are supposed to take their word for it.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: CB Master

There was not a single photo of her flying, and this is the most interesting

There is evidence, but they will not be shown to you, because they are secret.

[mark1]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Not a word about the launch range,

Well, here everything is simple - the distance of Arkhangelsk-Chizha is 333 km, that is, from the farthest corner of the White Sea, about 400 km is obtained, no more

[Romario_Argo]

an urgent question, when along a low-altitude trajectory Zircon is bent
as I understand it,
that due to the low ESR, the Berkov sm-radars will see the Zircon only 20 km away.
at a speed of Zircon under 2 km / s. and issuance of CU Aegis - 8 sec.
in the remainder of 2 seconds
but this is already a distance of 4 km, with 5 km of the dead zone of Aegis with SAM-6, SM-3, SM-2

[just exp]

he is unlikely to be able to at low altitude.
there the air density is different, and therefore the scramjet will not work there as it is designed for other conditions.
and the case is also not made of Vibranium, it is unlikely to withstand such loads at long distances

[mark1]

Quote: Romario_Argo

low-altitude trajectory Zircon

To be honest, I have little idea of ​​a low-altitude trajectory at a speed of 8M. And about EPR in plasma ... probably someday they will tell.

[2 Level Advisor]

I agree with everything, except for this, where did you get 20 km, and not, for example, 1 km?

[Romario_Argo]

where did you get 20 km, and not, for example, 1 km?

radio horizon for:
AN / SPS49 (V) 9 = 35 km
SPY-1D = 45 km
- for low-flying targets with EPR 0,1 sq.m.
Let's take an average of 40 km.
EPR of Zircon 0,001 sq. M., Cuts the detection distance by a multiple of 2 = 20 km.
and if for garlic - I just didn't dramatize
then the remainder of 10 km is just a suicide of the US Navy
they will see Zircons faster with optical systems than with radars

[Turbo3000]

You have been fermenting on patriotic forums for years, so you don't understand how hypersonic weapons work.
A hypersonic rocket reaches Mach 5 only in the stratosphere, the scramjet engine does not work in dense layers, so the rocket turns into a falling warhead, which, when entering dense layers, loses speed many times due to resistance, look at the face of a parachutist who receives resistance

And if the target moves, then the warhead will have to make a braking maneuver to obtain a flat profile, otherwise the warhead will not have sufficient control due to the high pressure, which will make the correction rudders practically useless. At a recent conference on US hypersound, the speakers unanimously stated that the best proto-interaction with hypersonic weapons is a change of position, in which case the hypersonic weapons will lose energy to obtain a shallow profile.
Vertical dive is used only against stationary targets.
The density of water is 800 times higher than the density of air, so speeds are even lower under water.
For example, in space there is zero pressure, there is no resistance, therefore there are maximum speeds, BECAUSE of this there are so many craters on the moon, objects do not slow down and hit the surface of the moon max. speed.

[Center]

How long will the US have to recapture Zircon? About 2-3 minutes, the speed of the Zircon warhead drops to a low subsonic target.
“We can protect our forces from hypersonic threats now, because such threats exist now,” US Vice Admiral John Hill.
And in Russia, the public came up with stories about an invulnerable weapon, "the killer of aircraft carriers", but this is all a complete jingoistic illiterate biliberd.

[just exp]

You yourself do not know everything, but there is braking when entering dense layers, but this braking is leveled by the engine at the last impulse with a more or less vertical dive, Iskander and Dagger will slow down to 700ms and this despite the fact that it flies in dense layers almost from a third of the trajectory, if Zircon has an air intake, then he will add another second to the engine.
with a vertical dive, they just break through the missile defense of ships, because they have a radar funnel at the very top, because the radar does not shine directly above them.
correction can be done not only with rudders but also with gas-dynamic engines
and can beat Zircon at full speed.
here everyone has a question only in the method of guidance.
because thermal imaging and optical because of the plasma will hardly work, and radar guidance is susceptible to interference, and given that plasma blocks the main methods of operation of the radar mode, only a few remain (ours have learned to use plasma as an antenna, but frequencies and so on are unknown and it is not a fact that it is resistant to electronic warfare ) limiting the form of its use.

[Turbo3000]

The GVPRD engine does not operate below nominal altitudes, the air intake design is not capable of this. The scramjet has a supersonic flow, and for dense layers it is necessary to design an air intake with a subsonic flow of incoming air, which is in the scramjet-Onyx.
In the United States, a hybrid scramjet engine is being developed, which can have a variable air intake design during flight, in a patent of NPO Mashinostroeniya (developer of Zircon) they called such an engine unrealizable due to the small dimensions of the rocket. This type of engine has not even been implemented yet on hypersonic aircraft, where there is more space inside.
Vertical diving is effective only against stationary ships, the pressure is so high that any rudders are practically useless, moreover, the rocket can generally lose control from overloads and fall apart in the air from vibrations, therefore, the NPO Mash patent indicates that the hypersonic warhead will have a vertical dive only with altitude 4000m.

[just exp]

Why is there an air intake design? the flight speed and, accordingly, the air intake will be hypersonic, here the only problem is that the air density increases and the load on the structure and the pressure inside the engine increase accordingly, which is why, yes, the engine will no longer work on the lowest layers, but it will lose speed with heights of about 15-20 km, and if Iskander, due to its trajectory, which by a third in dense layers, loses its speed from 7M to 2M, then Zircon when diving and having a speed of 8M if it slows down to speeds of 5-6M, which is still high speed for the missile defense of the ship and the radar station of the attacked ship does not see because the anti-ship missile system will be in the radar funnel.
vertical dive is effective against moving ships, because the dive itself will take about 10-12 seconds and believe me, the ship will not go far in these 10-12 seconds.
and as I already wrote, you can steer not only with rudders, but also with gas-dynamic engines that are even used on MD SAMs.
and Zircon is fine with the strength of materials, so it is not just a hypersonic anti-ship missile system, but also a maneuvering hypersonic one. and maneuvers can be carried out not only at height.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Turbo3000

About 2-3 minutes, the speed of the Zircon warhead drops to a low subsonic target.

It's a pity Mosquitoes and Volcanoes and Onyxes did not read this and hit targets at 2-3 speeds of sound!

LOL

[Turbo3000]

Mosquitoes and Onyxes have a working motor all the time, so the loss of kinetic energy is compensated for. Hypersonic rockets do not have an engine in the terminal section, so their terminal section is slower.
Zircon will never replace Onyx
The American X-51 hypersonic missile, which developed a speed of 5 mach, to the terminal section - the descent to the target took 193 seconds, more than three minutes

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: Turbo3000

Mosquitoes and Onyxes have a working motor all the time, so the loss of kinetic energy is compensated for. Hypersonic rockets do not have an engine in the terminal section, so their terminal section is slower.

Has Putin personally reported this to you? What nonsense it is to imagine that if the Americans do not have something, then no one else has it.

Quote: Turbo3000

The American X-51 hypersonic missile, which developed a speed of 5 mach, to the terminal section - the descent to the target took 193 seconds, more than three minutes

And it is also nonsense to think that an experimental unsuccessful missile of 8 years ago is equal to a missile practically put into service.

[just exp]

The American X-51 hypersonic missile, which developed a speed of 5 mach, to the terminal section - the descent to the target took 193 seconds, more than three minutes

from a height of 18 km 193 seconds? less than 100m sec?
Are they BB on a parachute or something?

[mmaxx]

We all understand not only secret hypersound (everything is simple there!), But also viruses, politics and even football. Although about football, it seems, is already all.

Another would be to calculate how much time is needed to change this very position. And to understand how long it takes to change the angular velocity, and how much for the linear one.

[Vladimir_2U]

Quote: mmaxx

We all understand not only the secret hypersound (everything is simple there!)

Yes, it is enough to remember the approximate characteristics of already operating samples.

[Alexey Sommer]

Quote: Turbo3000

And in Russia, the public came up with stories about an invulnerable weapon, "the killer of aircraft carriers", but this is all a complete jingoistic illiterate biliberd.

Try to dodge a projectile that travels at 1 m / s (900m) and is still slightly controlled.
It is no less difficult for a ship to maneuver, and maybe even more, this colossus weighing several thousand tons moves in a given direction and has colossal inertia, this is not a buggy for you.

[guerilla707]

Let's goodbye\\\

[BastaKarapuzik And]

There are also problems with shooting down a conventional supersonic missile.
The Americans were shooting down on exercises recently, but how did they do it?
The ship that shot down received target designation from another ship, due to this, the missile was detected earlier, and the air defense systems had time to react.
In real combat, of course, things won't be so easy. And if one ships gave another control point, then who will warn this first ship about the attack?
In general, war is a very unpredictable thing, especially when the flight time is shorter and shorter.

[bayard]

Quote: Romario_Argo

a pressing question when, along a low-altitude trajectory, Zircon

A low-altitude trajectory is technically impossible for him. And physically - there are no such materials. Therefore, the MiG-25 \ 31, when flying in supersonic, climbed / climbed 20 km. And at low altitude, their speed is no more than 1500 km / h.

Quote: Romario_Argo

that due to the low EPR, Berkov's sm-radars will see Zircon only 20 km away

They will be able to see perfectly well over 600 kilometers - at their echelon and thanks to the plasma cocoon (if they really form it, it all depends on the flight altitude).

Quote: Romario_Argo

at a speed of Zircon under 2 km / s. and issuance of CU Aegis - 8 sec.

But what difference does it make in these seconds, if there is simply nothing to hit the Zircon with on that echelon - the Americans do not have such missiles, for such echelons. And it will attack from a sheer dive into a dead funnel.
And if you really want to emerge from under the horizon at supersonic speed, that is, "Caliber" with a supersonic second stage - it will sneak up on the PMA and enter the zone of visibility of the ship's radar at supersonic speed.
Or "Onyx" - it can be at low altitude, but with a much shorter range and lower speed.

[Osipov9391]

Hawkeye will see this missile 600-700 km from the AUG warrant. And this is if we are allowed to let her in - the carrier will be allowed at such a distance. Although anti-ship missiles in practice are not allowed further than 200-250 km. There is a risk that it will not reach. And external target designation will be needed.
To classify a warrant and identify an aircraft carrier.
Do not forget that there are very powerful electronic warfare systems on the escort ships. They can extinguish the heads of any anti-ship missiles.

[bayard]

Quote: Osipov9391

Hawkeye will see this missile 600-700 km from the AUG warrant.

Yes, he and any Aegis cruiser / destroyer at such an altitude and range will be able to detect.

Quote: Osipov9391

And this is if we are allowed to let her in - the carrier will be allowed at such a distance.

The surface ship may not be allowed, but the SSGN can quite get close. And he will fire a volley. Any of the "Ash" or a modernized "Baton" can become such. And so is the air carrier. With an air start, the range of the GZUR will be greater, and the "Path" will pave the way.

Quote: Osipov9391

There is a risk that it will not reach.

It is still necessary to learn how to shoot down, until they can.

Quote: Osipov9391

Do not forget that there are very powerful electronic warfare systems on the escort ships. They can extinguish the heads of any anti-ship missiles.

And the anti-ship missiles have one (or more) guidance channel - just for the RT-signature, so that the activity of their electronic warfare will become just a "beacon" for guidance.
Our anti-ship missiles always do this.

[Osipov9391]

A salvo of SSGNs, even from a good distance, will be possible only if they do not run into the hunters. They are part of the AUG and can be carried out for a hundred or two miles.
Then the anti-submarine corridor will be made for the AUG by anti-submarine aircraft from coastal airfields. Like Poseidon. And not alone.
And the air carriers have no chance at all to bring the missile to the AUG. Hawkeye will find them 600-800 km away from the order and point a pair on duty at them that patrols in the air at a distance of 500-700 km from the AUG.
An exception can be if there are several dozen carriers. Well, in that case, the prey will probably be the escort ships.

[bayard]

Single aircraft will definitely not attack the AUG, but anti-ship missiles for them already have a range of about 1000 km. Onyx-M has a range of up to 800 km from a land / sea launch. , and in the aerial version it will be slightly more. On the way, an airborne missile defense system with a range of 1000+ will work out, I don’t know, but work is underway. And the same Su-34M will be able to carry such a GZUR more than one. Like Onyx.
If nuclear weapons and the Pathway program are used, then all air patrols will simply fall into the water, and new ones will not rise. A corridor (Trail) will be laid and targets will be hit.
One modernized "Baton" will be able to launch 48 "Onyxes" or "Zircons" in one salvo. This is enough for any AUG. Even without YABC.

Quote: Osipov9391

Then the anti-submarine corridor will be made for the AUG by anti-submarine aircraft from coastal airfields. Like Poseidon. And not alone.

They will do that, only without air cover at a distance of 800 - 1000 km. , they will become easy prey for our heavy fighters, which will also be cleaning and laying.
In any case, in a war - it's all a matter of chance. But within the framework of the pattern.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: bayard

Americans do not have such missiles, for such echelons

RIM-161SM-3 Block IIA
Rocket speed 4,5-5,0 km / s
Maximum range 2500 km
The height of the affected area is 1500 km

On December 11, 2003, a target was shot down from the cruiser USS Lake Erie at an altitude of 133 nautical miles (247 km) with a total approach speed of 36.667 km / h (more than 10 km / s).

On February 21, 2008, the SM-3 rocket was launched from the cruiser USS Lake Erie in the Pacific Ocean and three minutes after the launch hit the USA-247 emergency reconnaissance satellite located at an altitude of 193 kilometers, moving at a speed of 7 580 m / s (27 300 km / h).

[bayard]

This rocket takes targets in space - at an altitude of over 100 km. , and "Zircon" runs at an altitude of 30 - 40 - up to 50 km. , where conventional missiles are ALREADY ineffective and will not take such a target, and SM-3 Block-2A cannot yet, because there is still an atmosphere and its seeker is closed by a fairing.
Against such GZUR will have to compose a completely new missile ... the United States will have to. And in our country even the S-400 could do this from the very beginning.
Therefore, the confusion in the chicken coop.
Of course, they will invent countermeasures, but it will take a lot of time. And funds.

[And Us Rat]

Take the trouble to back up your claims with factual sources. So far it looks like your personal opinion.

[bayard]

See for yourself the American transatmospheric interceptor and the design of its warhead. Pay attention WHEN the head fairing is dropped - at what height. Then compare this altitude and the flight altitude of the Zircon.
I think you will make the conclusions yourself.

If the United States did not have the problem of intercepting this type of missile, there would be no such unrest. They are quite capable of making such an interceptor, but it will take time, decent money and the efforts of many specialized specialists. And it won't be cheap.
I am not a fan of throwing caps into the air after the statements of the domestic press - I trust them no more than foreign ones. So "Zircon" has yet to prove its compliance with the declared characteristics. And if he has already proved the speed and altitude, then he has not yet demonstrated the declared range. 450 km. , this is not 1000+ in the mouth of the Guarantor. Also raise questions about the ability to hit a moving sea target. But if he really turns out to be as promised, the available means will not bring him down.
And new ones - capable of shooting down, still have to appear.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: bayard

Pay attention WHEN the head fairing is reset

So show me when.
Do you have a source of this data?

Quote: bayard

And if he has already proven the speed and altitude

Where and when? Apart from vague statements in the media, I personally have not found anything.
No launch range in numbers, no flight time, nothing.
It looks strange. Usually they either brag about the parameters if they are going to export. Or they are generally silent, if it is secret. And to take the position - "We have them, but we will not show them to you, because they are secret" ... does it remind you of anything?

[mmaxx]

The satellite is the most predictable target.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: Romario_Argo

only 20 km.

Quote: Romario_Argo

under 2 km / s

Quote: Romario_Argo

issuance of TSU Aegis - 8 sec

Quote: Romario_Argo

at 5 km dead zone

Where do all these numbers come from? Share the source?

[EMMM]

Where did you get 2 km / s from?
All the media are talking about 10000 km / h, that is, about 8M at an altitude of about 130-140 km.

[And Us Rat]

Quote: EMMM

All the media are talking about 10000 km / h, that is, about 8M at an altitude of about 130-140 km.

That is, at the peak of the ballistic trajectory? Well, that, in principle, was expected. Such "hypersonic" weapons have existed since the days of the V-2 (M = 4 + at an altitude of 88 km), and are produced even in such technologically backward countries as Iran.

[tralflot1832]

And if so Belomorsk m Kanin Nos in a straight line 610 km. There is practically nothing on the Chizha test site, unlike the Kura test site, the target field can not even be found. All based on satellite images in the public domain.

[Serge-667]

Well, everything is simple - the distance is Arkhangelsk-Chizha ..

Shh !!!

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

So maybe you don't need to "strip" in public? A half-naked blade seems more dangerous

It all depends on the audience. May be so:

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[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

***
You see flew by
An asterisk rocket
And this is a good omen ...
***

[vervolk]

from so, ahead of everyone. then we are doing everything right!

[tralflot1832]

It's time to move on to the next level of trolling. A nuclear-powered rocket Petrel, Poseidon can surface in front of tourists at the North Pole, and then return to the base.

[Nikolaevich I]

Hypersonic missile "Zircon" hit the coastal target Some joke remembered ... "Let the first wish of the first person who left the cabin on the deck come true ...! The boatswain leaves in the morning ..." Eh, anchor in my cra ... aaaaaaa ...! "... ..

[Barberry25]

Hello to the Japanese called .. it will be very interesting if on the eve of the summit of some thread of ours they shoot at 1 km ...

[Ros 56]

I wonder how the rocket starts from the side of the sea-okiyana, and even hypersonic, but flies to land. Does anyone have any associations? I like this.

[Engineer Schukin]

Quote: Thrifty

Whatever some members of the forum did not write on the forum, Zircon was clearly successful, and now they are clearly bringing to mind the missile guidance system on the target, so that it was possible to hit the target without reducing the missile's flight speed, on hypersound.

I believe in it too!
In principle, I believe most of all what I know nothing about and which I have never seen.

It and d ... will believe if, for example, it sees hundreds of su-57 armatures in their real existence and quantity, but you believe in something fantastic, the most deadly and effective, but what you saw only in cartoons and newspaper headlines ... This requires a special faith, patriotic. We patriots have this. That is why we are strong and unshakable!

[ugol2]

I watched the video of the Zircon launch.
I remembered K. Malevich's painting "Blacks are loading coal on a dark night"
Secrecy-smiling.

[Sergei Zabelin]

Quote: Engineer Shchukin

In principle, I believe most of all what I know nothing about and which I have never seen.

well, ask our partners, all launches are tracked, hence the silence from them

[Sergei Zabelin]

Quote: Turbo3000

The American X-51 hypersonic missile, which developed a speed of 5 mach, to the terminal section - the descent to the target took 193 seconds, more than three minutes

yes, yes, yes, we know this during the third flight when it collapsed in the air, from a height of 18000 meters a simple brick will fall for three minutes

[faterdom]

Quote: CB Master

What is there to expose? There was not a single photo of her flying, and this is the most interesting Only launches, but at this stage it is no different from calibers.

It will be possible to see only the subscriber. Within reach. But not for long, so that he did not have time to draw, or at least tell.

[AAC]

Training launches are also done in order to develop tactics of use. I think there will be paired launches on nearby targets soon.