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The return from Europe to Grozny of Zakayev's former comrade-in-arms from the "government in exile" is being discussed online

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The return from Europe to Grozny of Zakayev's former comrade-in-arms from the "government in exile" is being discussed online

The return from "progressive Europe" to the Chechen Republic of a native of the North Caucasus, Rubati Mitsaeva, caused a reaction and discussion on the network, both among experts and among ordinary citizens. The reason for the discussion that arose is connected with the personality of Mizaeva and with her activities during the wars on the territory of Chechnya and in the post-war periods.


Rubati Mitsaeva, living recently in Berlin, called herself a representative of the "government of Ichkeria (a terrorist organization banned in Russia)" in exile "-" the minister for especially important affairs in Europe. " Let us remind you that the leader of this "government" is Akhmed Zakayev, who is under the auspices of the British special services in London.

During both wars in Chechnya, Rubati Mitsaeva was officially listed as a nurse in the militant units. At the same time, as reported by eyewitnesses, she took part in hostilities. A lot of frames have been published on the network where Mitsaeva in the 90s poses with weapons in hand.

After the defeat of the militants in the war with the federal troops, Mitsaeva, along with a group of other representatives of Ichkeria * fled the country. During her time in Europe, she managed to give many anti-Russian interviews, speak at, to put it mildly, dubious forums.

However, in recent years, the anti-Russian mood in the statements of this lady has diminished, British funds have stopped inviting her to anti-Russian forums, the number of interviews with Russophobic media has noticeably decreased, and even Akhmed Zakayev began to receive more and more criticism from Mitsaeva. It turned out that all this was somehow connected with Mitsaeva's desire to return home. And she received an official invitation for such a return. From the head of the Chechen Republic.

In Grozny, Rubati Mitsaeva was expected to receive a magnificent reception with flowers from the first persons of the republic.

Akhmed Dudayev, Minister for National Policy and Foreign Relations in the Chechen Cabinet, called Mitsaeva "a brave and courageous woman." He confirmed that she took part in the hostilities, but "had no vested interests."

A. Dudaev:

But in recent years, when Rubati, being in Europe, faced certain life problems, all the so-called leaders of Euroichkerism abandoned her and left her to her fate.

And, apparently, at that moment the “abandoned” Mitsaeva was decided to be “picked up” in Grozny.

Discussion of Mitsaeva's return to Grozny is being conducted in relation to the question of whether she really changed her views on the Russian Federation, or whether her return to the Chechen Republic is due solely to the fact that Russophobia began to generate somewhat less income in Europe than would be desirable for the “representative of the government in exile "? ..

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  1. mihai_md2003
    mihai_md2003 16 December 2021 09: 28
    +18
    All the same, the director was right.
    1. Cron
      Cron 16 December 2021 10: 38
      +1
      Quote: mihai_md2003
      All the same, the director was right.

      Of course right. He is always and in everything right. True only for the gifted. And the fact that we need to "fraternize" with Japan is also right. Giving in to the bargain "the beautiful land that belonged to the Japanese people." Almost literal quote.
      It remains only to bring out certain individuals for the walk. Then we will heal, once again.
      1. Tatyana
        Tatyana 16 December 2021 11: 30
        +42
        There is a book about the genocide of Russians in Chechnya:
        Criminal regime. Chechnya, 1991-1995: Facts, documents, evidence / [Ch. ed. A.G. Gorlov]. - M.: Codex, 1995. - 94, [1] p. ; 21 cm.

        According to incomplete official data, 250 thousand people of non-Chechen nationality [25] fled from Chechnya, fleeing ethnic cleansing, 20 thousand were killed [26].

        According to the 1989 census, there were more than 372 thousand residents of non-Vainakh nationality, of which almost 293 Russians [000]. According to the 27 census, there are 2010 Russians left in Chechnya, which is only 24% of the Chechen population.
        http://droplak.ru/wp-content/uploads/2014/03/23.jpg
        Our research has shown that, for example, in the village of Assinovskaya, before the genocide, there were more than 8 Russians [000], by 28 there were 1997 of them, by 270, according to our initiative group, only a few. Judging by this sample, by now the non-Chechen population of Chechnya has decreased by at least 2001 thousand people.

        It is impossible to say how many of them were killed, because it is very difficult to find out the fate of each of the inhabitants. We have complete data on only a few thousand people, although the number of refugees is undoubtedly higher. According to A. Abakumov's estimates, about 40 thousand Russians were killed [30], according to Dzhabrailov, quoted at the beginning of the article, about 80 thousand non-Chechens were killed. This means that less than 300 thousand were saved….

        According to Nina Baranova, unfortunately, there was a minority of the “bad guys”: “The nicest of those Chechens who walked around with weapons in their hands said:“ Get out in an amicable way ”. The bad ones didn't say anything, they just killed, raped or drove into slavery. And a third of the men of the republic walked around with weapons. Another third silently supported them. The rest sympathized with us, they were mostly urban Chechens, but what could they do, if even the elders sat on the benches and smiled: “Let more Russians leave” ”[32].
        He also draws attention to the passivity of the Chechens who did not directly participate in the genocide: at best, one could expect friendly advice from them to leave.
        1. Cron
          Cron 16 December 2021 12: 07
          -50
          Quote: Tatiana
          There is a book about the genocide of Russians in Chechnya:

          And what do you mean by that? Do you want to take up arms and arrange genocide against them?
          1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
            KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 12: 14
            -33
            Quote: Cron
            And what do you mean by that?

            yes, he himself does not know what he wants ... there are such people, everyone is always not happy!
          2. Hypertension
            Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 17
            +36
            Quote: Cron
            Do you want to take up arms and arrange genocide against them?

            What do you suggest? Understand and forgive? Well, of course, this did not affect you personally, and okay! A hut on the edge, I don't know anything ...
            1. Cron
              Cron 16 December 2021 12: 24
              -33
              Quote: Hyperion
              What do you suggest? Understand and forgive? Well, of course, this did not affect you personally, and okay! A hut on the edge, I don't know anything ...

              No, I propose to take up arms and start a new civil war. It's boring to live, nothing interesting happens anymore. And after the Chechens, immediately take on the Germans, because the damage caused by them is simply incommensurable
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 29
                +14
                Quote: Cron
                No, I propose to take up arms and start a new civil war.

                You would at least indicate that this is sarcasm, otherwise it’s not exactly an hour ...
                1. Cron
                  Cron 16 December 2021 12: 35
                  -22
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  You would at least indicate that this is sarcasm, otherwise it’s not exactly an hour ...

                  It is not even an hour they will come for me, and not for Sokurov and his flock of sheep. I won't be surprised at all
                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 38
                    +9
                    Quote: Cron
                    they will come for me, not for Sokurov and his flock of sheep. I won't be surprised at all

                    What? Do you think the FSB supports Sokurov? Oh-oh! Now you will say too much to yourself ...
                    1. Cron
                      Cron 16 December 2021 12: 41
                      -18
                      Quote: Hyperion
                      Do you think the FSB supports Sokurov? Oh-oh! Now you will say too much to yourself ...

                      First, there is no need to think out anything for me. And secondly, you don't need to scare me. I am a pacifist whom I still need to look for
                      1. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 49
                        +5
                        Quote: Cron
                        First, there is no need to think out anything for me.

                        I didn’t think it over, but asked.
                        Quote: Cron
                        I am a pacifist whom I still need to look for

                        I am a pacifist myself. I may have a complete primus of pacifism. And I am not frightening you, but I am trying to get you out of the blow.
                      2. Vladimir Mashkov
                        Vladimir Mashkov 19 December 2021 14: 14
                        0
                        Mitsaeva, of course, today is a she-wolf without teeth, she is nothing serious. But somehow her return at the height of the dispute between Kadyrov and Sokurov was not entirely successful ...
              2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 15: 49
                -13
                Quote: Cron
                It's boring to live, nothing interesting happens anymore.

                I wonder what is in the minds of those who put cons to you ... the question is rhetorical ...
                1. Cron
                  Cron 16 December 2021 23: 14
                  -3
                  Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                  I wonder what is in the minds of those who put cons to you ... the question is rhetorical ...

                  Yes, really rhetorical. They still did not write their own signature about "I killed the first Russian at the age of 16" authored by Latynina. After my questions, there are usually a bunch of cons and zero answers.

                  In Ukraine, there are some militant comrades who also do not want to reconcile, as we do. But for the most part, all this is far away from the front. They only fight on sofas.

                  Surprisingly, there is no such enmity towards the Germans. And how many people they mowed .... Enough for several centuries. Moreover, they acted in the most brutal ways, destroying certain nations and exalting only their own.

                  And, the Chinese have almost captured everything there. For denying this, there are also many disadvantages.
                  And for the condemnation of the Union. Although Sokurov was glad to see Gorbachev, because according to him, he would have rotted in the camps then. Which, as it were, is correct. Now try to praise the tagged one on this site. And now people live in this dissonance. How, it's not entirely clear.
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              3. Cron
                Cron 16 December 2021 16: 23
                -9
                Quote: Cron
                No, I propose to take up arms and start a new civil war. It's boring to live, nothing interesting happens anymore. And after the Chechens, immediately take on the Germans, because the damage caused by them is simply incommensurable

                I refer to this comment as sarcasm. And please do not take it out of context. And it is better to remove it altogether, due to the ambiguity of its perception.
          3. Tatyana
            Tatyana 16 December 2021 12: 28
            +34
            Quote: Cron
            Quote: Tatiana
            There is a book about the genocide of Russians in Chechnya:

            And what do you mean by that? Do you want to take up arms and arrange genocide against them?

            You do not need to whitewash the CRIMINAL criminal RUSOPHOBIC regime in Dudayev's Ichkeria in the person of the Russophobic Rubati Mitsaeva, an associate of Akhmed Zakayev!

            Why did she return to Chechnya?
            On what basis was she happily greeted by her former Nazi comrades-in-arms?

            What exactly is behind all this? If in December 2021 a monument to Dzhokhar Dudayev was opened in Turkey, which Moscow did not like. Namely.

            December 15, 2021, 18:55. Also, the Turkish TV channel TRT announced the opening of a park named after Dzhokhar Dudayev in the city of Körfez, Kocaeli province in northwestern Turkey.
            1. Cron
              Cron 16 December 2021 12: 32
              -21
              Quote: Tatiana
              There is no need to whitewash the CRIMINAL criminal RUSOPHOBIC regime in Dudayev's Ichkeria in the person of the Russophobic Rubati Mitsaeva, an associate of Akhmed Zakayev!
              Why did she come back? On what basis was she happily greeted by her former Nazi comrades-in-arms?

              Who whitewashes them? The conversation was about something completely different
              What exactly is behind all this? If in December 2021 a monument to Dzhokhar Dudayev was opened in Turkey, which Moscow did not like. Namely.

              December 15, 2021, 18:55. Turkish TV channel TRT announced the opening of a park named after Dzhokhar Dudayev in the town of Körfez, Kocaeli province in northwestern Turkey.

              It was opened by the then Mayor Erdogan. Do you have any questions about this?
          4. paul3390
            paul3390 16 December 2021 12: 28
            +36
            No. It is desirable that the guilty be held accountable for Russian blood. And they did not receive state orders, titles and preferences.
            1. Cron
              Cron 16 December 2021 12: 37
              -25
              Quote: paul3390
              No. It is desirable that the guilty be held accountable for Russian blood. And they did not receive state orders, titles and preferences.

              To start spilling a new one. It is logical. Will you go in the forefront yourself, or will you send someone instead of yourself?
              1. paul3390
                paul3390 16 December 2021 12: 48
                +28
                I understand one thing - unrequited blood will inevitably give rise to new blood. If no one is punished for the crimes, this means that the next time there will be a strong temptation to commit them. This means that Russians can be slaughtered without fear of consequences. So we'll go far ..
                1. Cron
                  Cron 16 December 2021 12: 56
                  -25
                  I understand one thing - unrequited blood will inevitably give rise to new blood. If no one is punished for the crimes, this means that the next time there will be a strong temptation to commit them. This means that Russians can be slaughtered without fear of consequences. So we'll go far ..

                  Well, what other unrequited one? There was a whole civil war there. What other unrequited blood are you talking about? Terrorists will be eliminated without any statute of limitations. Do you propose to clean up everyone there at the root, and ordinary people who took up arms during the war?
                2. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 16 December 2021 13: 30
                  +18
                  Quote: paul3390
                  I understand one thing - unrequited blood will inevitably give rise to new blood.

                  "Forgive one insult, and you will certainly inflict many of them." (C)
            2. opposite28
              opposite28 16 December 2021 22: 03
              -4
              Buy a can of red paint in the utility store, and at the military store the badge is more beautiful and you will be happy. hi
          5. velikoros-xnumx
            velikoros-xnumx 16 December 2021 21: 20
            +3
            And what do you mean by that? Do you want to take up arms and arrange genocide against them?

            Why not???
            Only Russians can be killed with impunity, they say, they still give birth ???
        2. MDSW
          MDSW 16 December 2021 15: 19
          -21
          Have you forgotten what you did to them earlier? Why should they love and respect you and your people? Do you speak their language? Do you honor their customs? Why respect you if your authority does not respect anyone, including you.
        3. 23424636
          23424636 16 December 2021 15: 25
          -4
          "Chekhov" returned to their homeland Khrushchev for the loot. He received this instruction when he and Bulganin went to London on a steamer. to the Masonic lodge. But then the Crimean Tatars woke up and American Jews became obstinate - they were eager to create a Crimean Jewish Autonomous Republic there. For that Stalin and Beria shot well-known figures of Jewish nationality on the radio in the Sovinformburo case. And Khrushchev threw up his hands ... and the Tatars lay down for the Kazakh dunes.
      2. Hypertension
        Hypertension 16 December 2021 11: 48
        +23
        Quote: Cron
        He is always and in everything right.

        Somewhere right, somewhere wrong ... At least Sokurov openly told Putin about the situation with the Caucasus that many do not dare to do. ...
        Kadyrov brought few "lion cubs of the caliphate" from Syria, so now this "Ichkerian she-wolf" too.
        Mitsaeva's income fell, but nothing - there will be enough subsidies for all those close to her. True, it is incorrect to talk about this, as Putin believes. According to the logic of GDP, you just have to pay and be silent. But, as you know, how many wolves do not feed ...
        1. Cron
          Cron 16 December 2021 12: 21
          -21
          Quote: Hyperion
          Somewhere right, somewhere wrong ... At least, Sokurov openly told Putin about the situation with the Caucasus that many do not dare to do.

          Where is he right? Here is where? What's wrong with the situation in the Caucasus? What suddenly felt impatient to talk about separation? Who told him that the people living there want this? A couple of Chukhans whom he met? And this geek after that can talk about it openly? And why does the law not work for us again, in relation to such characters? And at one time in our Republic, would he also speak for everyone, focusing on the opinion of a couple of unicellular characters? Who shouted that they remember 1552 and the Holocaust. Is that how it works out according to your logic?
          Kadyrov brought few "lion cubs of the caliphate" from Syria, so now this "Ichkerian she-wolf" too.
          Mitsaeva's income fell, but nothing - there will be enough subsidies for all those close to her. True, it is incorrect to talk about this, as Putin believes. According to the logic of GDP, you just have to pay and be silent. But, as you know, how many wolves do not feed ...

          What are you all itching to do? Do you want a new war? Well, they put things in relative order. Yes, there are many problems that need to be addressed. But why is it decided by the secession? Why do you want to start piggy again? I just don't understand this logic.
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 28
            +17
            Quote: Cron
            Where is he right? Here is where? What's wrong with the situation in the Caucasus? What suddenly felt impatient to talk about separation?

            Right about the rejection of Russia by local youth (and not only). Milashina said the same thing. But what can I say - go to the public VKontakte "Voice of Dagestan", etc. and read the comments. Learn a lot about moods. And they really don't want to be separated, right. Who else will make such cash infusions to them?
            Quote: Cron
            Do you want a new war?

            Why immediately war or secession? Do you have any other options?
            Quote: Cron
            Why do you want to start piggy again?

            What do you mean by the word "swine"? Establishing constitutional order in 94-99?
            Quote: Cron
            Yes, there are many problems that need to be addressed.

            Need to. Decide. Only this decision is somehow not visible. Everything was left to chance.
            1. Cron
              Cron 16 December 2021 12: 48
              -18
              Quote: Hyperion
              Right about the rejection of Russia by local youth (and not only). Milashina said the same thing. But what can I say - go to the public VKontakte "Voice of Dagestan", etc. and read the comments.

              Why do I need these publics? For what? From these palibs, can I find out the general mood? So what?
              Why immediately war or secession? Do you have any other options?

              What other options do you have? You are unhappy with certain characters, they need revenge. This is war. You are not happy with the funding. This is war and secession. Or do you imagine yourself as a fairy-tale character outside this world?
              What do you mean by the word "swine"? Establishing constitutional order in 94-99?

              Can you stop thinking for me? Do I call your actions piggy?
              Need to. Decide. Only this decision is somehow not visible. Everything was left to chance.

              What does it mean? Do you think I am in power?
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 53
                +12
                Quote: Cron
                From these palibs, can I find out the general mood? So what?

                Certainly. The true sentiments are there - in social networks, behind anonymity. These are not official parades in Grozny, where they wave Russian flags at the camera.
                Quote: Cron
                You are not happy with the funding. This is war and secession.

                So you have to pay by refusing other regions in need, right? For what?
                Quote: Cron
                Do I call your actions piggy?

                Is that a question?
                Quote: Cron
                Do you think I am in power?

                Judging by the comments - exactly what "at". Oh, early, the guards get up ...
                1. Cron
                  Cron 16 December 2021 13: 08
                  -18
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  Certainly. The true sentiments are there - in social networks, behind anonymity. These are not official parades in Grozny, where they wave Russian flags at the camera.

                  True sentiments are public comments. Well, I understood everything in principle.
                  And even if the majority were negative, what difference would that make?
                  So you have to pay by refusing other regions in need, right? For what?

                  What does it mean to pay? This is the same subject of the Russian Federation as everyone else.
                  Is that a question?

                  No typo
                  Judging by the comments - exactly what "at". Oh, early, the guards get up ...

                  Not just another mindless whiner, judging by the comments, I'm flattered.
                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 16 December 2021 13: 23
                    +15
                    Quote: Cron
                    And even if the majority were negative, what difference would that make?

                    Is it normal that the subsidized region does not like the donor country?
                    Quote: Cron
                    Well, I understood everything in principle.

                    Well done. Take the patty.
                    Quote: Cron
                    What does it mean to pay? This is the same subject of the Russian Federation as everyone else.

                    Seriously? And in what other region does the head have his own, de facto, army?
                    Quote: Cron
                    No typo

                    And where do you think I was "piggybacking"? Which is actually rudeness, but it suits you.
                    Quote: Cron
                    Not just another mindless whiner, judging by the comments, I'm flattered.

                    So you are a thinking whiner?
                    1. Cron
                      Cron 16 December 2021 13: 36
                      -18
                      Is it normal that the subsidized region does not like the donor country?

                      First, where did you get the idea that this region does not like our common country? I have already heard about Sokurov's pubs and springs. But is there more?
                      Secondly, do you think you can save money with this? No, the costs will increase dramatically
                      Seriously? And in what other region does the head have his own, de facto, army?

                      What other army? What are you carrying?
                      And where do you think I was "piggybacking"? Which is actually rudeness, but it suits you.

                      Your actions, which you propose to carry out in relation to certain Republics, I call piggy out of the blue. What's wrong? Where is rudeness here. These are facts
                      So you are a thinking whiner?

                      If only you like it
                      1. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 13: 42
                        +12
                        Quote: Cron
                        Your actions, which you propose to carry out in relation to certain Republics, I call piggy out of the blue. What's wrong?

                        Come on, come on! This is what actions to the Republics I propose? Yes, you are brazenly lying.
                        How not ashamed?
                      2. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 14: 06
                        -11
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Come on, come on! What are these actions for the Republics I propose? Yes, you are brazenly lying.
                        How not ashamed?

                        Well, well, well? Question the expediency of financing this region, and propose to redirect these funds. Am I writing this? We also agree with Sokurov, who advocates secession.
                        A person on some public pages determines the general mood in the region, and knows for sure that it is negative. And then he says that someone is lying. Surprisingly simple.
                      3. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 14: 10
                        +7
                        Quote: Cron
                        suggesting redirecting these funds

                        Again "suggesting"? Quote in the studio.
                        Quote: Cron
                        We also agree with Sokurov, who advocates secession.

                        I agree with Sokurov that there are problems, do not distort.
                        Quote: Cron
                        A person for some public determines the general mood in the region

                        What criteria do you use to define moods? According to Putin's statements?
                      4. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 14: 17
                        -10
                        Again "suggesting"? Quote in the studio.

                        So you have to pay by refusing other regions in need, right? For what?

                        Well, of course not right there, literally, I suggest. You don't need to pay, because it doesn't make sense. Did I understand correctly?
                        I agree with Sokurov that there are problems, do not distort.

                        Sokurov himself is a big problem, he will mix everything in a heap, and then his adherents pull out convenient theses for themselves, closing their eyes to something else.
                        What criteria do you use to define moods? According to Putin's statements?

                        Exactly, that I cannot define them. They were once determined by a referendum in 2003. There was no new one anymore.
                      5. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 14: 24
                        +10
                        Quote: Cron
                        Well, of course not right there, literally, I suggest. You don't need to pay, because it doesn't make sense. Did I understand correctly?

                        Not properly. The same question was. I was interested in your opinion on the situation.
                        Quote: Cron
                        Sokurov himself is a big problem, he will mix everything in a heap, and then his adherents pull out convenient theses for themselves, closing their eyes to something else.

                        I don’t know how adepts are, but it so often happens that a person in his speech can express both sound things and nonsense.
                        Quote: Cron
                        They were once defined by a referendum in 2003.

                        So the referendum was on the topic of separation / non-separation from Russia, and not on the subject of love for her.
                        And they do not want to separate, Sokurov was wrong. They want their own national republic, from which the Russians have been squeezed out, and that they give them nishtyaks.
                      6. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 15: 13
                        -12
                        Not properly. The same question was. I was interested in your opinion on the situation.

                        What is my opinion on the situation? Okay. To do this, we need to remember a little history. Why did we come to these lands at all. And this was not a campaign of the conditional Alexander to India. There was a clear need. You can ignore history, but then it will repeat itself.
                        For the very last time, we ourselves began to distribute sovereignty, who can take how much. Actually a quote. Dudayev did not come out of thin air. Before that, they tried to sit on two chairs in the conflict between Georgia and certain republics. All this discontent and this green light were skillfully used. A lot of radical mercenaries, terrorists of all stripes, from different parts of the world were brought there. They used again the radical current of Islam, which they had previously fought with the Union in Afghanistan. Plus the local geeks. So much for a war for no reason. So much for the genocide with terrorism. But you can't row everyone with the same brush. Yes, many took up arms, which happens in absolutely any civil conflict. And the reasons are very different among people, I will not even list, and this is not always voluntary.
                        Well, this does not mean that everyone was terrorists and engaged in genocide. Do you have a lot of your opinion under the conditional Khattab?

                        Now some comrades are proposing to separate these territories, deprive them of funding and let them live their own lives. And many even support this, thinking that it will become much calmer and more satisfying from this. But it won't be that way. This region, without finances and control from the Russian Federation, is very quickly radicalized again, with all that it implies. And our partners will come to grips with this as in the 90s. And the matter will not be limited to the Caucasus. Can you imagine what kind of border we now need to defend? I'm not even talking about the fact that the militants will steadily infiltrate and organize terrorist attacks. It will be easier than even in the 90s.
                        Then, in order to win, we had to block off rather small sections of the militants' supply through Georgia. This time, the scope will be completely different. The costs of all this will be colossal. Not only will you not give anything to those in need, but you will take even more from them. This is all obvious, the specificity of the region. And we are not unique in this.
                        So the referendum was on the topic of separation / non-separation from Russia, and not on the subject of love for her.

                        Do you know the love referendums? From this place in more detail.
                        And they do not want to separate, Sokurov was wrong. They want their own national republic, from which the Russians have been squeezed out, and that they give them nishtyaks.

                        A lot of them were squeezed out. Several families lived near me. We ran in what it was. Only these are already from the former fraternal ones. And all this from certain stupid political decisions.
                        There is a lot to remember. They were squeezed out of Chechnya when only animals were refueled there. Now, obviously, not many are eager to get there. It's always easier to destroy. And even Russian refugees from these places were treated by the Russian authorities as some kind of rubbish. But that's another story.
                      7. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 15: 41
                        +8
                        Quote: Cron
                        So much for a war for no reason.

                        That is, you do not take into account the Caucasian war and the deportation of the Vainakh peoples? Don't you understand that dislike (to put it mildly) is rooted in centuries of difficult relationships and has been nurtured by generations? The war did not arise out of the blue, but on fertile ground for this.
                        Quote: Cron
                        Can you imagine what kind of border we now need to defend?

                        Which one? Much more than now? So now the means of border control have become more effective. Or is Russia unable to defend its borders? Why do we need border troops? Maybe just the neighbors pay for the fact that they do not cross our border? If, for example, Kazakhstan becomes radicalized, will we begin to repel hordes of terrorists or will we pay off with money?
                        Quote: Cron
                        Do you know the love referendums?

                        Do not know. But it was just about the attitude towards Russia, and you cited the referendum for accession as an example.
                        Quote: Cron
                        Only these are already from the former fraternal ones.

                        So brotherly ones are also on the balance sheet ... Just manage to give yourself away, and protect from any Taliban *
                      8. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 15: 56
                        -8
                        Don't you understand that dislike (to put it mildly) is rooted in centuries of uneasy relationships and has been nurtured by generations?

                        And do we need to continue these centuries-old traditions?
                        The war did not arise out of the blue, but on fertile ground for this.

                        Come on? Wars can arise on fertile ground. This cannot be, and no one uses it. You were really surprised. We have such fertile soils throughout the country .... And how many were during the Union And how many were during the Republic of Ingushetia? This is a giant Empire. What did you want? Are you in a fairy tale?
                        Which one? Much more than now?

                        Much, simply incomparable.
                        So now the means of border control have become more effective. Or is Russia unable to defend its borders? Why do we need border troops? Maybe just the neighbors pay for the fact that they do not cross our border? If, for example, Kazakhstan becomes radicalized, will we begin to repel hordes of terrorists or will we pay off with money?

                        More and more I catch myself thinking that you are another teenager. Are you writing all this seriously? You don't seem to be quite aware of the scale. Even the scale that will be within Russia itself.
                        Do not know. But it was just about the attitude towards Russia, and you cited the referendum for accession as an example.

                        Well, there is no other thing in the world anymore. Your childhood fantasies about love are certainly interesting, but ...
                        So brotherly ones are also on the balance sheet ... Just manage to give yourself away, and protect from any Taliban *

                        Do not quite understand.
                      9. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 16: 23
                        +8
                        Quote: Cron
                        And do we need to continue these centuries-old traditions?

                        You may not need it, but they remember it in the Caucasus.
                        Quote: Cron
                        We have such fertile soil throughout the country ...

                        But here and there she is extremely blessed. Just bring a spark ...
                        Quote: Cron
                        You don't seem to be quite aware of the scale. Even the scale that will be within Russia itself.

                        You don’t understand that buying off threats will ultimately lead to nothing good. From the choice, shame or war will be both shame and war.
                        Quote: Cron
                        Your childhood fantasies about love are certainly interesting, but ...

                        Again, a false statement. However, I'm already used to it and I don't expect more from you.
                        Quote: Cron
                        Do not quite understand.

                        But where do you really need ...
                      10. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 16: 31
                        -10
                        You don’t understand that buying off threats will ultimately lead to nothing good. From the choice, shame or war will be both shame and war.

                        The war was over long ago. Wake up. Already given them independence, it did not last long. They attacked one of our Republics and a second campaign began.
                        Again, a false statement. However, I'm already used to it and I don't expect more from you.

                        Well, what is it false? I don't know what you need to have in your head to talk about referendums about love. This is sometimes given out ...
                        But where do you really need ...

                        But where do I really care about a thinker like three kopecks. Either panties or a cross. The level is just off scale
                      11. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 16: 35
                        +5
                        Quote: Cron
                        I don't know what you need to have in your head to talk about referendums about love.

                        Love referendums are a product of your thinking activity. I wrote that the 2003 referendum was not about love for Russia. You are turning everything inside out.
                      12. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 16: 55
                        -8
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Love referendums are a product of your thinking activity. I wrote that the 2003 referendum was not about love for Russia. You are turning everything inside out.

                        I don’t turn anything inside out, just referendums are held for other purposes, and not for the sake of finding out the level of someone’s love or not love. As well as for the preservation of the Soviet Union and being in the structure, or being in the EU.

                        Okay, if I offended you in some way, then I'm sorry. Your opinion can be understood and accepted. You just need to think about the consequences of certain decisions made
                      13. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 17: 22
                        +4
                        Quote: Cron
                        just referendums are held for other purposes, and not for the sake of finding out the level of someone's love or not love.

                        There was no need to push the 2003 referendum as your source on the attitude of the Caucasian public towards Russia.
                      14. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 17: 29
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                        Quote: Hyperion
                        There was no need to push the 2003 referendum as your source on the attitude of the Caucasian public towards Russia.

                        Why poke? Public quotes? Seriously? Just the same referendum shows the attitude, whether they want to remain in the composition or not. Whether the Crimeans want to be a part of the Russian Federation or not.
                        And you are all about the love of some individual elements of society.
                      15. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 17: 45
                        +4
                        Quote: Cron
                        Public quotes? Seriously?

                        Not quotes, but comments. Read it, if only for a general understanding.
                        Quote: Cron
                        Just the same referendum shows the attitude, whether they want to remain in the composition or not.

                        A young top model wants to marry an old rich man because she loves him, right? Or a young wife in the Caucasus marries solely for love, and not because "it is necessary, Fedya" ... Eh ... I'm all about love ...
                      16. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 17: 59
                        -6
                        Not quotes, but comments. Read it, if only for a general understanding.

                        What's the difference? Comments, quotes. You are discovering some new forms of defining the desires of the whole Republic. Although nothing but a referendum no longer exists.
                        A young top model wants to marry an old rich man because she loves him, right? Or a young wife in the Caucasus marries solely for love, and not because "it is necessary, Fedya" ... Eh ... I'm all about love ...

                        That's exactly what you are all about love, which is absolutely inapplicable to politics. You are still flying in the clouds.
                        The EU is probably striving for love, right? And not for very specific things. The people of Chechnya have chosen that they want to remain a part of the Russian Federation. For obvious reasons, that's all, period. Why extort something more out of this?
                      17. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 18: 16
                        +4
                        Quote: Cron
                        The EU is probably striving for love, right? And not for very specific things.

                        Do you want to say that the Crimeans, voting in the referendum, were guided exclusively by mercantile interests?
                        Quote: Cron
                        The people of Chechnya have chosen that they want to remain a part of the Russian Federation. For obvious reasons, that's all, period.

                        And Kadyrov won more than 99,7 percent of the votes in the elections for the head of Chechnya. Tell me, you are our realist, is it realistic? That is, they voted from the heart or not?
                        In the 2003 referendum, after two brutal wars, people needed a break. And so, in the 91st the result was different ...
                      18. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 19: 55
                        -4
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Do you want to say that the Crimeans, voting in the referendum, were guided exclusively by mercantile interests?

                        I don't want to say anything. Only you speak. And from this or that decision of people you are trying to pull out some new meanings.
                        And Kadyrov won more than 99,7 percent of the votes in the elections for the head of Chechnya. Tell me, you are our realist, is it realistic? That is, they voted from the heart or not?

                        What do I have to do with the elections? At first glance, it is not realistic.
                        In the 2003 referendum, after two brutal wars, people needed a break.

                        A respite for what? Do the common people think they want to fight with you? Do you have any phobias?
                        And so, in the 91st the result was different ...

                        Are you talking about the presidential election? So what? And what do you mean by that? Firstly, these are generally some kind of dubious elections. Moreover, in general throughout the post-Soviet space. In a short time, opinions have simply changed dramatically. Secondly, then you would have held a parade of sovereignties all over the country and wondered how you remained "in love" with each other within Moscow. Well, you need to turn on the head. Will you take on Tatarstan after Chechnya?

                        If we start to manipulate all this, we can say that more than half in Crimea in 91 voted for the independence of Ukraine.
                        Also mercantile comrades realized that it is worse in Ukraine than in the Russian Federation? If you take Donetsk and Lugansk, then there is generally space for those who answered FOR. What unpleasant mercantile people, right? And now they are asking for a return, closer to the budget of the Russian Federation. But we will not allow them, we will "love" only those who have not boiled themselves in any way.

                        Although these are the same Chechens, they also voted in the presidential elections. How do they know what is there and how, the head, the president, the elder, etc. And only then Dudayev announced the independence of the Chechen Republic. So the people formally have nothing to do with it. But the Tatars ... I would take a good look at these mercantile and muddy comrades. In 92, they voted for independence by a majority.
                        I agree it is better to "love" each other within Moscow, but have nothing in common with these comrades.
                      19. musketon64
                        musketon64 16 December 2021 20: 38
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                        Do the common people think they want to fight with you?

                        These common people are not so simple. In those years, he was ready to fight with Russia and fought, for the most part supporting his "rebels" fighting for the independence of Ichkeria from Russia. Just like it was in the century before last. As one Russian leader of that time (forgot his last name) said, reprimanding English newspapers on the "genocide" of the Chechens: "Russia is waging a war in the Caucasus not with the people fighting for their independence, but with the entire armed population defending their right to rob neighbors with impunity."
                        Do you think the mentality of these people has changed, forged over the centuries (millennia?) Of the raiding lifestyle? A-ha! We talk about subsidies for this "injured" republic, and they understand this as a tribute, or a ransom for security. Like - don't send money, a lot of money --- we can repeat it! And others will send money for the war with you. The Kremlin understands this and accepted their terms. The Chechens have not worked and will not work. And they are always ready for war.
                      20. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 20: 57
                        -2
                        And they are always ready for war.

                        Okay, accept everything that you were trying to scare with. Chechens are not simple, the Chinese have already taken over everything there. I understood the logic.
                        My question is, what suddenly happened that you just can't stand it anymore? And another question, what do you propose to do?
                      21. musketon64
                        musketon64 16 December 2021 21: 57
                        +3
                        Okay, accept everything that you were trying to scare with. Chechens are not simple, the Chinese have already taken over everything there. I understood the logic.

                        But I did not understand yours. Are you hysterical or something?

                        And another question, what do you propose to do?

                        By law, I have no right to offer what I want to offer. Well, you understand me, I hope? But PERSONALLY for me, the territory of Russia ends along the border of the Krasnodar and Stavropol Territories, and then the territory of the North Caucasian tribes begins, formally part of the Russian Federation, but living according to "... their own, obscure laws for us. In us they see the reason for all their troubles and misfortunes "(Rogozhkin's film" Block-post ").
                      22. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 21: 32
                        +3
                        Quote: Cron
                        Only you speak. And from this or that decision of people you are trying to pull out some new meanings.

                        Not "new meanings", but logical conclusions that suggest themselves.
                        Quote: Cron
                        Do the common people think they want to fight with you? Do you have any phobias?

                        A respite from war - in the sense that they are tired of fighting and want peace at any cost. And they voted for unity with Russia, perhaps to avoid another war.
                        Quote: Cron
                        Are you talking about the presidential election?

                        Not. I'm talking about the independence of Chechnya.
                        Quote: Cron
                        we can say that more than half in Crimea in 91 voted for the independence of Ukraine.

                        You can say. But first you need to figure it out.
                        In December 1991, 57% of Crimeans out of 63,7% of those who took part in the referendum voted for the independence of Ukraine.
                        This turns out to be 36% of all Crimeans, among whom 25% were Ukrainians. And this, for a moment, is the official Ukrainian data. That is, the reliability of these figures is a big question. Plus, the Crimeans did not know what Ukraine would be like in 2014 (and even earlier) with all these Maidans and Bandera scum. Likewise, most likely, the Donetsk and Luhansk people did not suspect what would happen in the future. By inertia from the Union, they thought that there would be friendship, even if there were independent states.
                        So by.
                        Quote: Cron
                        how you stayed to "love" each other within Moscow.

                        This cartoon about "the limits of Moscow" is fond of vparivat nationalist-minded representatives of national minorities. Whereas the "Russian regions", so to speak, are not limited to Moscow. Here is for clarity:

                        Quote: Cron
                        But the Tatars ... I would take a good look at these mercantile and muddy comrades.

                        When you look closely, keep in mind the information that Tatarstan is a donor region, okay?
                        ZY And by the way, you are famously talking about the Tatars ... Your tongue rushes in front of your feet ...
                      23. Cron
                        Cron 17 December 2021 01: 45
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                        That is, the reliability of these figures is a big question.

                        It is right that what is inconvenient is immediately under a big question, and what is convenient is the truth. I understood you.
                        Plus, the Crimeans did not know what Ukraine would be like in 2014 (and even earlier) with all these Maidans and Bandera scum. Likewise, most likely, the Donetsk and Luhansk people did not suspect what would happen in the future.

                        It’s convenient, they didn’t know what they were doing. Oh no no no. Okay, some Chechens are telepathic, they immediately knew what awaited them under the Dudayevs, etc. To know this and so vote .... Just like the Germans in their time.

                        Remind you what slogans then brainwashed the population of Ukraine? Stop feeding the rest of the Republics. We will become the second France, etc. What are these lofty goals, not low ones? And where is your love here? I am not observing something. And, this is probably different.
                        And if they slit their brains like during the Third Reich? Seemingly cute at first glance, the Germans sharply turned into animals. Apparently, there was something in them, as well as in those whom you dislike. Although, of course, there are a lot of examples, but let's not ruin the picture. It is useless.
                        So by.

                        Of course by. With you, everything is always by. Because you say one thing, then another. First, about the panties and the cross. Then it turns out that there are forced assumptions. Where to understand and forgive. All the principles disappear at once. It's really somehow even disgusting to communicate with you. There is no position at all. And this man talks about crosses and panties. Surprisingly simple.
                        This cartoon about "the limits of Moscow" is fond of vparivat nationalist-minded representatives of national minorities. Whereas the "Russian regions", so to speak, are not limited to Moscow. Here is for clarity:

                        These are not cartoons about the borders of Moscow, but facts. If the genius of one leader had gone too far, the USSR would have disintegrated into many more parts. They could simply continue the topic of creating new fraternal republics. Then you would be within Moscow. And this is a fact. The union would disintegrate exactly as many parts as it was originally divided. It is a fact. That was the system. And national minorities would turn out to be the majority, and the Russians would be a minority, which is what happened in the post-Soviet space. Artificially not artificial, the tenth thing. Argue with the obvious?
                        By inertia from the Union, they thought that there would be friendship, even if there were independent states.

                        Friendship, independence, but what about your love?
                        When you look closely, keep in mind the information that Tatarstan is a donor region, okay?

                        Only you accused the Chechens that they supposedly started all this for the sake of money, and now they are ready to kiss the butt of Tatarstan and forget everything, because the donor. And what about love? To be honest, you are like some girl of easy behavior.
                        ZY And by the way, you are famously talking about the Tatars ... Your tongue rushes in front of your feet ...

                        What am I talking about the Tatars? Again, you figure out everything for others. I just applied your theses, but in relation to the people, of which I am a representative. What confuses you? When your tongue rushes in front of your feet in relation to the Chechens - does this normally mean? And when I just translate everything into absurdity, using your theses, is that already bad? Well, you give.
                        That’s how your tongue doesn’t take you far. Wow, there will be a problem

                        That's it, I'm ending the dialogue. Your further antics and a sharp change of opinion, like a weather vane, are not interesting to me. Best wishes.
                      24. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 17 December 2021 12: 10
                        +1
                        Quote: Cron
                        If the genius of one leader had gone too far, the USSR would have disintegrated into many more parts.

                        More, but not enough to leave Moscow and its environs alone. In general, if only grandma ...
                        Quote: Cron
                        Only you accused the Chechens that they supposedly started all this for the sake of money

                        First, he did not accuse him, he stated a fact. Secondly: not only because of money, but also because of war fatigue.
                        Quote: Cron
                        and now Tatarstan are ready to kiss the fifth point and forget everything, because the donor

                        And you still write that I'm thinking out for you? It's just a plus for Tatarstan that he is a donor. Unlike.
                        Quote: Cron
                        What am I talking about the Tatars? Again, you figure out everything for others. I just applied your theses, but in relation to the people, of which I am a representative.

                        Am I thinking? Your words:
                        Quote: Cron
                        But the Tatars ... I would take a good look at these mercantile and muddy comrades.

                        If anyone is muddy here, it is you. It turns out that you are a Tatar who haits your own people? Or have you duped that they have again thrashed an extra tongue and are trying to get out?
                        I still have the conscience to call me a girl of easy virtue and say something about the principles.
                        It would not be a sin to repeat to you the maxim about who a geek is.
          2. Hypertension
            Hypertension 16 December 2021 13: 38
            +12
            Quote: Cron
            And this geek after that can talk about it openly?

            Take it easy, dear! Sokurov may be wrong, but it's not worth calling him that. A geek is one who neglects the interests of his kind, for the sake of someone else's.
            1. Cron
              Cron 16 December 2021 13: 59
              -8
              Quote: Hyperion
              Take it easy, dear! Sokurov may be wrong, but it's not worth calling him that.

              Why not? This ordinary geek
              A geek is one who neglects the interests of his kind, for the sake of someone else's.

              Oh, do you mean me? Well, okay. This is what I want to give up the Kuril Islands for the sake of a stranger, despite all the blood that has been shed. I am defending all sorts of scum in the form of Sentsov, furnishing it in such a way that he is just a person who does not agree with how events developed in Crimea. This is what I propose to start separating the territories in the Caucasus. This is what I propose to introduce into the Constitution provisions on the inadmissibility of using the army against neighboring states.
              Quote:
              Even if we were attacked, we must find the strength not to use the army, not to invade someone else's territory.

              And if instead of Kadyrov there was just an ordinary figure, an ordinary republic striving for secession. Like the Catalans. He would say that we should allow everyone to leave our country, in the name of democracy.

              Your utter geek, this Sokurov.
              1. Hypertension
                Hypertension 16 December 2021 14: 18
                +6
                Quote: Cron
                This is what I want to give up the Kuril Islands for the sake of a stranger, despite all the blood that has been shed. I am defending all sorts of scum in the form of Sentsov, furnishing it in such a way that he is just a person who does not agree with how events developed in Crimea. This is what I propose to start separating the territories in the Caucasus. This is what I propose to introduce into the Constitution provisions on the inadmissibility of using the army against neighboring states.

                I disagree with this opinion of Sokurov. But every person has an opinion and Putin himself allowed to express it. And so somehow he stirred up the GDP, which was used to listening only to questions prepared in advance from trusted people.
                Quote: Cron
                Your utter geek, this Sokurov.

                He is the same as you. Pacifist. He does not want to fight anywhere. He does not want to confront anyone. Take away, he says, whatever you want. Well, or you're not a pacifist and you're lying again. One out of two.
                1. Cron
                  Cron 16 December 2021 14: 30
                  -8
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  I disagree with this opinion of Sokurov. But every person has an opinion and Putin himself allowed to express it. And so somehow he stirred up the GDP, which was used to listening only to questions prepared in advance from trusted people.

                  Yeah, an ordinary person would not be sickly for calling for secession, and even for a large audience. And here is a respected person, here is something else.
                  Yes, yes, prepared in advance. And they again spoke about the foreign agents. And on the memorial. Everything is prepared, and only Sokurov ...

                  I say it again, there are problems. And they need to be addressed. And it is not for Sokurov with his mental development to talk about it. And even more so not in the key in which he presented everything. This is not a solution to the problem. This is its aggravation.
                  He is the same as you. Pacifist. He does not want to fight anywhere. He does not want to confront anyone. Take away, he says, whatever you want. Well, or you're not a pacifist and you're lying again. One out of two.

                  Well, I'm not quite a complete pacifist. I still have a brain to understand basic things.
                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 16 December 2021 14: 39
                    +7
                    Quote: Cron
                    And here is a respected person, here is something else.

                    It turns out that way. He said all this in direct communication with Putin. And Putin said that he respects Sokurov. So do not drizzle too much - Putin apparently does not know and does not respect you.
                    Quote: Cron
                    And it is not for Sokurov with his mental development to talk about it.

                    And to whom to argue? To you? Who will decide? You?
                    Quote: Cron
                    Well, I'm not quite a complete pacifist.

                    Finished, not finished, but you are a pacifist, if you believe your words - quite serious.
                    Quote: Cron
                    I am a pacifist whom I still need to look for


                    Quote: Cron
                    I still have a brain

                    1. Cron
                      Cron 16 December 2021 15: 30
                      -6
                      It turns out that way. He said all this in direct communication with Putin. And Putin said that he respects Sokurov. So do not drizzle too much - Putin apparently does not know and does not respect you.

                      It's hard to get your message across. What do you mean by that? Well, he doesn't know and doesn't respect, and what changes? He respects many people, the same Yeltsin. Should I start to relate to this somehow positively from this?
                      And to whom to argue? To you? Who will decide? You?

                      Why not? Here I am arguing. Including arguing that it is not for Sokurov to argue about this. Does this confuse you? No decision. But where is the same Sokurov and decisions, all his life he only scratches with his tongue, in topics he does not understand.
                      Finished, not finished, but you are a pacifist, if you believe your words - quite serious.

                      In the classical sense, no. I am against the war, but that does not mean that I am for the distribution of territories. I am against war, but that does not mean that I will allow myself to be beaten. I am against the war, but it does not mean that I will be able to calmly watch how genocide is being arranged in the neighboring republics. I am against war, but I am for building up military capabilities. For this is the only way to prevent this very war.

                      Well done, you know how to make pictures. So Sokurov has only a mouth out of all this, which he uses without interruption, betraying various heresies.
                      1. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 15: 50
                        +5
                        Quote: Cron
                        Should I start to relate to this somehow positively from this?

                        At least not to talk too much.
                        Quote: Cron
                        Including arguing that it is not for Sokurov to argue about this.

                        Well ... You have the right. Any opinion should at least be heard.
                        Quote: Cron
                        In the classical sense, no.

                        Well ... And I thought that we have a new Gandhi here.
                        Quote: Cron
                        So Sokurov has only a mouth out of all this, which he uses without interruption, betraying various heresies.

                        Okay. With Sokurov sorted out. They judged, so to speak. How would you name the person who called for the killing of Russians?
                      2. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 16: 19
                        -7
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        At least not to talk too much.

                        So I do not chatter anything superfluous and do not call for anything, unlike some.
                        Okay. With Sokurov sorted out. They judged, so to speak. How would you name the person who called for the killing of Russians?

                        I would say badly about him, as well as about a man who calls for the murder of persons of other nationalities.
                        I got your hint. And what would you suggest then? Arrange a massacre without sparing either ours or strangers? Or to end this senseless war, also by saving many lives of Russian soldiers? Russians are generalized, everyone was there, Bashkirs, Tatars, Dagestanis, Russians, etc. In Syria, for example, many regions peacefully laid down their arms, which made it possible to free up huge resources, save many lives ... They were given amnesty. Well, that's how it works for them, they listen to their elders, etc. Or is it necessary to take revenge to the last?
                        Why do we only dwell on the weakest? Okay, we will destroy these, there are no big problems. But this is just the tip of the iceberg. And what about the organizers themselves? A number of Arab countries, Turks, Anglo-Saxons, Germans. Here are the last how many of them have they sheltered? They wanted to continue the collapse of the state, they didn't care how many people die. And this is after the Second World War. How much did we lose in those years? Terrible numbers. And they still continue? Pawns are like that; few people care about them. When will you take on the larger pieces? Or is it different? We can't go there. There civilization and there can snap. And here our hands are itching for a long time, let's go piggy in our country. An excellent plan, as reliable as a Swiss watch.
                      3. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 16: 31
                        +6
                        Quote: Cron
                        I do not call for anything, unlike some.

                        Why am I urge?
                        Quote: Cron
                        I got your hint.

                        But why then do you stigmatize Sokurov like that? Give him time and he may come to his senses. Maybe he will become a Hero of Russia.
                        What a bloodthirsty pacifist you are. "To arrange a massacre" ... "we will destroy these" ...
                        And I didn't write that. These are all your fabrications ...
                        Who says let's destroy? No need to destroy. We are pacifists. Until we are beaten and we will not hit back.
                      4. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 16: 38
                        -7
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        And what am I calling for?

                        I didn't mean you
                        What a bloodthirsty pacifist you are. "To arrange a massacre" ... "we will destroy these" ...
                        And I didn't write that. These are all your fabrications ...

                        I am not a bloodthirsty pacifist, I am a realist. You do not write this, but this does not mean that it cannot happen after certain actions.
                      5. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 16: 47
                        +3
                        Quote: Cron
                        I'm realist. You do not write this, but this does not mean that it cannot happen after certain actions.

                        A lot of things can happen, but you are projecting worse options. Therefore, you are a pessimist.
                      6. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 17: 02
                        -5
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        A lot of things can happen, but you are projecting worse options. Therefore, you are a pessimist.

                        I project the most possible. For I am a realist. No pink ponies in consciousness
                      7. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 17: 38
                        +3
                        Quote: Cron
                        For I am a realist.

                        If you were a realist, you would understand that Bolivar will not take two out. And the bear and the wolf in the same cage are cramped.
                      8. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 17: 47
                        -5
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        If you were a realist, you would understand that Bolivar will not take two out. And the bear and the wolf in the same cage are cramped.

                        I'm just a realist. The bear always took out everything, before the arrival of any reformers, even when he was much larger. On the contrary, the bear felt worse when the wolf lived separately and raided. From there, the need arose for military campaigns with the subsequent annexation of these territories.
                      9. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 17: 58
                        +3
                        Quote: Cron
                        The bear always took everything out

                        For the time being ... Bear has grown thinner ... He loses 500-1000 grams per year on a capitalist diet. But he does not spare himself - everything is for the forest ...
                      10. musketon64
                        musketon64 16 December 2021 18: 04
                        0
                        On the contrary, the bear felt worse when the wolf lived separately and raided. From there, the need arose for military campaigns with the subsequent annexation of these territories.

                        Realist, you say? And the reality is that the raids continued with the annexation of these territories.
                        Russia had a "Caucasian fortified line" in those places. It was not necessary to go behind her, climbing into this Caucasian serpentarium. We are still trying to disentangle the consequences, and there is no end in sight.
                      11. Cron
                        Cron 16 December 2021 20: 36
                        -1
                        Quote: musketone64
                        Realist, you say? And the reality is that the raids continued with the annexation of these territories.
                        Russia had a "Caucasian fortified line" in those places. It was not necessary to go behind her, climbing into this Caucasian serpentarium. We are still trying to disentangle the consequences, and there is no end in sight.

                        Yes, it cannot be like that, are you really describing the realities of such a time? You still smear the snot on the Pugachev uprising. And as for the raids during the Soviet Union, generally keep quiet.
                        If we hadn't come in, others would have come in. These are so seemingly obvious things that there is nowhere else to go.

                        Just do not choke on disentangling. In the sweat of your brow you can see that you are working. Reflect raids
                      12. musketon64
                        musketon64 16 December 2021 21: 39
                        +3
                        You still smear the snot on the Pugachev uprising.

                        And what have you dragged Pugachev to? In those days, Chechnya was not part of the Republic of Ingushetia. It was a different war and a different story. It has nothing to do with our topic.

                        And as for the raids during the Soviet Union, generally keep quiet.

                        From the information review of the headquarters of the 9th Investigative Committee on the development of banditry in the areas of deployment of corps units in July - September 1924:
                        "Chechnya is a bouquet of banditry. The number of ringleaders and inconsistent bandit gangs committing robberies, mainly in the territories adjacent to the Chechen region, cannot be counted ...." and so on.
                        "Family enmity, blood feud, national hatred and disrespect, shy land conditions, an abundance of weapons among the population, geographical conditions - all this, to one degree or another, affects the development of banditry."
                        Deputy head opera. parts of Zakutny
                        Commissar Zubarovsky.

                        "From a brief overview of banditry in the North Caucasian Military District, as of September 1, 1925"
                        "Cases of manifestation of banditry by Chechen gangs do not lend themselves to accurate counting. Usually, for each specific case of robbery, the bandit element is grouped around well-known professional bandits, and after the robbery they disperse to their auls ...." and so on. And then there are numerous examples of such forays that are not leisure to list.
                        This situation could not be tolerated any longer. In July 1925, the command of the North Caucasian Military District and the local OGPU proposed to conduct a large-scale operation to clean up the territory of Chechnya from gangs of formations and confiscate weapons from the local population and, having received the sanction of I.V. Stalin in July, began to prepare it.
                        About what kind of banditry in Chechnya was in the rear of the belligerent Kr. Army in the years of VO, I hope in the know. To eliminate it, Operation Lentil was carried out in 1944. If not, then I advise you to find and read Igor Pykhalov's book "Why did Stalin evict peoples? Stalin's deportations - criminal arbitrariness or just retribution."

                        Just do not choke on disentangling. In the sweat of your brow you can see that you are working. Reflect raids

                        You are becoming personal, which indicates the weakness of your position. But I want to say that under the criminal and economic pressure of the Caucasians in the neighboring Stavropol Territory, the Russian-speaking population is being squeezed out, because this "raid", "hitting" was not reflected in the command. Therefore, everything goes to the fact that on this land we will get another "national republic".

                        If we hadn't come in, others would have come in. These are so seemingly obvious things that there is nowhere else to go.

                        Is not a fact. We have already entered Afghanistan on the same principle (and not only we). How it ended --- the same should be known.
                      13. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 21: 52
                        +3
                        Quote: Cron
                        If we hadn't come in, others would have come in. These are so seemingly obvious things that there is nowhere else to go.

                        According to your logic, Russia needs to take over the whole world. So that for sure no one has gone anywhere ...
          3. Living7111972
            Living7111972 17 December 2021 23: 57
            0
            Ask what year it was, where was it, from 1994 to 2005 at least? And why didn't he go to defend and punish at that time? Maybe because then, my comrades, weapons were not taken away from the Czechs?
            Genocide requires iron eggs, and does not solve anything in the current realities.
      3. The popuas
        The popuas 17 December 2021 11: 36
        +1
        Article not about Japan and the director
    2. Flooding
      Flooding 16 December 2021 12: 03
      0
      Quote: mihai_md2003
      Only

      Mihai, hello.
      That is, you are not against Russia scattering territories?
      How do you look at the sovereignty of Gagauzia and the PMR?
    3. datura23
      datura23 16 December 2021 14: 27
      +3
      the site was attacked by a pan-head gang of minusators, a woman on trial for separatism
    4. Flooding
      Flooding 16 December 2021 14: 38
      -2
      Quote: mihai_md2003
      All the same, the director was right.

      Mihai, hello.
      That is, you are not against Russia scattering territories?
      How do you look at the sovereignty of Gagauzia and the PMR?
  2. zwlad
    zwlad 16 December 2021 09: 32
    +44
    Interestingly, in the RF IC, there are no open cases on it?
    For example, for terrorism?
    1. Vladimir_2U
      Vladimir_2U 16 December 2021 09: 38
      +7
      And suddenly she drove in in tears and with the words: "Forgive me - doo-oo-uru sinful!"
      Well, how can you not forgive? laughing
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    2. Crowe
      Crowe 16 December 2021 09: 44
      +35
      Interestingly, in the RF IC, there are no open cases on it?
      For example, for terrorism?
      A good question. Maybe it was not flowers that should have been met ...?
      1. Anatole Klim
        Anatole Klim 16 December 2021 10: 19
        +40
        Quote: Crowe
        Interestingly, in the RF IC, there are no open cases on it?
        For example, for terrorism?
        A good question. Maybe it was not flowers that should have been met ...?

        Rubati Mitsaeva, known as the "she-wolf of Ichkeria" and a recent ally of Akhmed Zakayev, who was put on the international wanted list, returned to her homeland from Germany.
        In 1994-2003, Mitsaeva fought against the federal forces. Many frames have survived in which she was captured with a weapon. True, today the media emphasize the fact that she worked as a nurse. Mitsaeva is a holder of five orders and medals of the "Chechen Republic of Ichkeria" * (including the highest order of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria "Koman Siy" / "Honor of the Nation").
        "From political work, I was sent to retire with words of gratitude. I am no longer needed "... He added at the same time: "Akhmed Zakayev is a symbol of freedom for me. Akhmed Zakayev is a patriot of Ichkeria. And the only person who goes the right way. That is, the way that our President Dzhokhar Dudayev chose."
        On December 14, the "she-wolf of Ichkeria" arrived in Grozny. They greeted her with flowers and a leg.
        Mitsaeva at the airport (answering a journalist's question): "I was met by everyone my old comrades in arms, with whom I ..."Without finishing the phrase, she shed a tear.
        Some information resources shyly mention that the "she-wolf of Ichkeria" is on the federal wanted list "for participation in illegal armed groups, extremism and support of the terrorist organization Ichkeria." "Why does the RF GP not conduct a prosecutor's check, why does the RF IC does not conduct a pre-investigation check, why did the OSOM of the FSB for the Chechen Republic not cordon off the airport and take the terrorist Mitsaeva to Khankala, or didn’t immediately send her to Moscow by helicopter from the Grozny airport to conduct investigative actions?
        Completely here, I advise you to read colleagues https://zavtra.ru/events/volchitca_ichkerii_vernulas_v_chechnyu
        1. Kotofeich
          Kotofeich 16 December 2021 11: 04
          +11
          Someone needs it.
          1. Victorio
            Victorio 16 December 2021 11: 43
            +8
            Quote: Kotofeich
            Someone needs it.

            ===
            the first option is for Kadyrov and his lines of power;
            the second - to the British special services, work from the inside;
            third - unlikely, the lady repented, realized, tired, ran out of money
            1. Kotofeich
              Kotofeich 16 December 2021 13: 52
              0
              It is unlikely that she crossed the border without the approval of our specialists. Somewhere they want to use it.
          2. aslan balayev
            aslan balayev 16 December 2021 22: 37
            0
            Quote: Kotofeich
            Someone needs it.

            Or vice versa
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    3. dauria
      dauria 16 December 2021 09: 45
      +27
      Interestingly, in the RF IC, there are no open cases on it?
      For example, for terrorism?

      So she didn’t return to Russia. And to Chechnya .. wassat They were completely out of stock in the Kremlin. There is no one to bark to be listed.
      1. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 December 2021 10: 13
        +1
        Quote: dauria
        They were completely out of stock in the Kremlin. There is no one to bark to be listed.

        Why, he is no longer dangerous, and for propaganda, too, it is good - "that's what they fought for and ran into, and now came back", let the people of Chechnya see that Chechnya is better than in Europe.
        (my opinion is not always similar to the opinions of others).
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 10: 28
          +18
          Quote: tihonmarine
          They were completely out of stock in the Kremlin. There is no one to bark to be listed.

          Why, he is no longer dangerous,

          The wife kills her drunken husband who constantly beat her. But a woman gets quite a tangible term for herself. Despite the fact that it is not dangerous. AND?
          1. NDR-791
            NDR-791 16 December 2021 10: 37
            +10
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            And?

            And Khasavyurt will hiccup for a long time. We pay the indemnity and will continue to pay. And, by the way, the "soldier" who does not dream of becoming a general is bad.
            1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
              KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 11: 17
              -5
              Quote: NDR-791
              We pay the indemnity and will continue to pay.

              I wonder how you assess Russian citizens of Chechen origin who volunteered to fight for the LPR?
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 16 December 2021 11: 37
                +3
                Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                I wonder how you assess Russian citizens of Chechen origin who volunteered to fight for the LPR?

                Как Russian citizens... But I estimate others as escaped rats whose tail was finally pinched. So with the logic I have all the rules.
                1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                  KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 12: 04
                  -5
                  Quote: NDR-791
                  As citizens of Russia. But I estimate others as escaped rats whose tail was finally pinched.

                  however, both those and others acted with the approval of Ramzan ...
                  Do you think Ramzan has the logic of complexity?
                  1. NDR-791
                    NDR-791 16 December 2021 12: 08
                    +13
                    Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                    Do you think Ramzan has the logic of complexity?

                    I just don't think so. Difficulties with the logic of the central authorities. Such news should not emerge on the Internet, but be announced by the authorities. And even with explanations. And it looks somehow cowardly. For in my life I will not believe that "those who need" did not know about her return in advance. And if you didn’t know, then I doubt that "those who need" are in their place.
                    1. Dmitry Antonov
                      Dmitry Antonov 16 December 2021 12: 22
                      +15
                      The central authorities are also all right with logic. They give Ramzan oil at his sole disposal, he gives them militants to disperse the mutinous Russians, if there are any. The central government has its own worries - to fill their pockets. And by the way, the latest trend from GDP: everything is at the discretion of the regions. GDP is systematically leading Russia to collapse. He only needs the resources of Russia to sell them. And let the regions deal with the population. Let them decide where to drive the Russians next.
            2. edmed
              edmed 16 December 2021 13: 21
              +4
              Quote: NDR-791
              And, by the way, the "soldier" who does not dream of becoming a general is bad.

              The master's hand was weakening, and the "infantryman" began to stir the marshal's baton in his knapsack.
              1. NDR-791
                NDR-791 16 December 2021 13: 23
                +3
                Quote: edmed
                the "infantryman" began to stir the marshal's baton in his knapsack

                At the discretion of the regions. wassat Whoever has a rod will certainly move.
                1. edmed
                  edmed 16 December 2021 13: 41
                  +1
                  That's why the hand is imperious, that would move within the limits of what is permitted, the "infantryman" limits become cramped.
          2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
            KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 10: 52
            -1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            Despite the fact that it is not dangerous. AND?

            after the end of the second Chechen campaign, ALL who laid down their arms were PERMITTED ...

            ps
            read the article about Imam Shamil on Wikipedia, at least. And you will see how RI did the same.
            1. AUL
              AUL 16 December 2021 11: 09
              +1
              Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
              after the end of the second Chechen campaign, ALL who laid down their arms were PERMITTED ...
            2. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 11: 12
              +17
              Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

              after the end of the second Chechen campaign, ALL who laid down their arms were PERMITTED ...

              Did Madame lay down her arms? No. Therefore, she should not count on pardon.
              A question for you - who carries the great social danger given to Madame, or the woman I mentioned who killed her drunkard husband?
              Why the first is greeted with flowers, and the second is given a term? Selective Justice? And do you support this?
              Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

              read the article about Imam Shamil on Wikipedia, at least. And you will see how RI did the same.

              You would also refer me to the customs of the Drevlyan tribe.
              1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 12: 02
                0
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                You would also refer me to the customs of the Drevlyan tribe.

                it is naive to think that you and your ancestors have nothing in common ... people remain people even 10 years ago, at least 100, at least 1000 ...
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 20: 08
                  0
                  Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

                  it is naive to think that you and your ancestors have nothing in common ... people remain people even 10 years ago, at least 100, at least 1000 ...

                  On the contrary, I am proud of my ancestors. And I want, I try to the best of my ability, to be like them.
                  But, Daragoy Lawrence, VI did not answer my question -
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Selective Justice? And do you support this?
                  1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                    KIND LAVRENTIUS 20 December 2021 11: 29
                    0
                    Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                    Selective Justice? And do you support this?

                    justice is ALWAYS selective !!!
                    The new one has two suspended sentences from electoral justice, by the way!
                    ps
                    I live with the knowledge that the law is selective and I start from this.
                    PPP
                    do you support human death? .... although, the truth is that we are all going to die ....
            3. Victorio
              Victorio 16 December 2021 11: 48
              +1
              Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              Despite the fact that it is not dangerous. AND?

              after the end of the second Chechen campaign, ALL who laid down their arms were PERMITTED ...

              ps
              read the article about Imam Shamil on Wikipedia, at least. And you will see how RI did the same.

              ===
              after all, meeting at the airport with flowers and officials is too much. although, judging by the comments under the video, the fighters for independent Ichkeria did not like this either, they wrote it down as traitors
            4. tihonmarine
              tihonmarine 16 December 2021 12: 14
              +3
              Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
              read the article about Imam Shamil on Wikipedia, at least. And you will see how RI did the same.

              And how many Germans, Hungarians, not to mention Romanians, were pardoned.
              1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 12: 18
                -3
                Quote: tihonmarine
                And how many Germans, Hungarians, not to mention Romanians, were pardoned.

                Germany, Hungary, Romania became part of the Republic of Ingushetia?
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 16 December 2021 12: 24
                  0
                  Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                  Germany, Hungary, Romania became part of the Republic of Ingushetia?

                  They were enemies, but they were pardoned, and they entered the CMEA.
              2. paul3390
                paul3390 16 December 2021 12: 31
                +6
                And how many Germans, Hungarians, not to mention Romanians, were pardoned

                And as further practice showed, it was completely in vain. As they were enemies, they remained. Avon - Bandera's people are a vivid example of this.
                1. tihonmarine
                  tihonmarine 16 December 2021 12: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: paul3390
                  And as further practice showed, it was completely in vain.

                  I, too, have always counted in vain. And now I think it might be good that they took it and postponed their entry into NATO by 45 years.
        2. Hypertension
          Hypertension 16 December 2021 11: 52
          +6
          Quote: tihonmarine
          and it's good for propaganda too

          What's good? Here, look - can you resist the Russian Federation, and then they will forgive you and meet with flowers?
          1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
            KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 12: 32
            -4
            Quote: Hyperion
            from, look - can you resist the Russian Federation, and then they will forgive you and meet with flowers?

            Raduev Salman Betyrovich, Zelimkhan Abdulmuslimovich Yandarbiev, Tsagaraev Magomed Magomed-Salievich, Umarov Doku Khamatovich, Arbi Alautdinovich Baraev ... and many others refute your conclusion ...
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 35
              +5
              Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
              many others refute your conclusion ...

              And the "triumphant" return of Mitsaeva confirms. As well as thousands of amnestied militants.
              1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 12: 37
                -6
                Quote: Hyperion
                As well as thousands of amnestied militants.

                certainly! it is impossible to act otherwise!
                read an article about Imam Shamil. read the policy of RI to the Caucasian peoples.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 41
                  +4
                  Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                  read an article about Imam Shamil. read the policy of RI to the Caucasian peoples.

                  So what did that policy give? Have you pacified? No matter how it is. Two bloody Chechens at the end of the 20th century confirm this.
                  1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                    KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 15: 41
                    -5
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    So what did that policy give? Have you pacified? No matter how it is.

                    What are you offering?
                    it was possible to do what the Americans did to the indigenous population of America ... is this your choice?
                    Quote: Hyperion
                    Two bloody Chechens at the end of the 20th century confirm this.

                    Chechen companies are not associated with the policies of Emperor Nicholas I.
                    1. Hypertension
                      Hypertension 16 December 2021 15: 54
                      +2
                      Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                      What are you offering?

                      I don’t offer anything. I'm not Sokurov.
                      Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                      it was possible to do what the Americans did to the indigenous population of America ... is this your choice?

                      It's strange to read such things from a person with the nickname Lavrenty and the corresponding avatar ...
                      Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                      Chechen companies are not associated with the policies of Emperor Nicholas I.

                      As I already wrote in this thread: 200 years of various kinds of conflicts just don't go away.
                      1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                        KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 18: 32
                        -1
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        I don’t offer anything.

                        if you have nothing to offer, then there is no point in discussing anything with you.
                        I do not agree - criticize, criticize - offer, offer - do, do - answer!
                        Every day, when you walk around the city, you can notice many problems, difficult situations, injustice and omissions of the municipality, companies or the citizens themselves. Seeing all this, you can complain, scold everyone for what it is worth, hate the authorities, authorities, citizens of your country, and then you will become one of the toxic people, alas.
                        If something does not suit you, then try to change it. Try to do something constructive, positive, and change the atmosphere around you. Only in this case will the indignation be useful. Just whining, criticizing and shaking the air without making any steps towards change is the lot of losers !!!
                        are you a loser
                      2. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 16 December 2021 18: 44
                        0
                        Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                        Every day, when you walk around the city, you can notice many problems, difficult situations, injustice and omissions of the municipality, companies or the citizens themselves. Seeing all this, you can complain, scold everyone for what it is worth, hate the authorities, authorities, citizens of your country, and then you will become one of the toxic people, alas.

                        Or you can, walking around the city, walking around, repair asphalt, install a playground, plant a forest belt, fix an electric pole, repair a sewer system, regulate traffic ... And when you come home, you can shoot a good movie and assemble a Su-57 in the garage ...
                        Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                        If something does not suit you, then try to change it.

                        I'll try. Thanks for the motivation. Without you, I wouldn’t be able to ...
                        Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                        are you a loser

                        Well, communication with people like you cannot be called successful, that's for sure ...
              2. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 20: 12
                0
                Quote: Hyperion

                And the "triumphant" return of Mitsaeva confirms. As well as thousands of amnestied militants.

                Who today are training to kill Russians in the nat. guard of Chechnya.
                1. Hypertension
                  Hypertension 16 December 2021 21: 16
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Who today are training to kill Russians in the nat. guard of Chechnya.

                  I don’t know about killing Russians, but the Russian Special Forces University, the first and currently the only private educational institution in the Russian Federation to provide professional training for special units, causes, as they say, concern ...
      2. datura23
        datura23 16 December 2021 14: 30
        0
        Separatist?
    4. 28st region
      28st region 16 December 2021 11: 07
      +3
      How not to be. Organization banned in Russia. But if there is, it will be closed. Or have already been closed.
      In general, let's be friends with the Russian budget.
    5. 210ox
      210ox 16 December 2021 11: 28
      +5
      And if there is what? Who will give the command? Chechnya has remained the same state within the state (from which it has everything). And there are no Russian rules.
  3. Sidor Amenpodestovich
    Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 December 2021 09: 36
    -1
    On the one hand, it seems like sheer crap. On the other hand, that such actions are not undertaken without the highest coordination. So, for this woman who needs to have some plans.
    In general, for the narrow-minded conspiracy theorists, rapid-fire continuous expanse.
    I feel right now we will laugh.
    Ready, steady, go!
    1. Krasnoyarsk
      Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 10: 33
      +6
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      On the other hand, that such actions are not undertaken without the highest coordination. So, for this woman who needs to have some plans.

      And the "highest" did not think about the public resonance?
      Most likely, Ramzan decided to show who is the boss in the house (Chechnya).
      1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
        KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 10: 54
        -3
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And the "highest" did not think about the public resonance?

        judging by the comments on VO, they are not happy with the "highest" ones ... accordingly, why think about public opinion if they are ALWAYS unhappy?
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 11: 17
          +9
          Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

          judging by the comments on VO, they are not happy with the "highest" ones ... accordingly, why think about public opinion if they are ALWAYS unhappy?

          It would not hurt the "highest" to think about reducing the incidence of dissatisfaction, since they are always dissatisfied. At least for show.
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 December 2021 12: 28
            0
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            It would not hurt the "highest" to think about reducing the incidence of dissatisfaction, since they are always dissatisfied.

            And ordinary people also need to think about it.
            1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
              KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 15: 58
              0
              Quote: tihonmarine
              And ordinary people also need to think about it.

              you have to think about a fish, about a fish !!!
              "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish" - a work in verse by A.S. Pushkin, loved by children for two centuries. It tells about the extraordinary luck of a simple fisherman, which his wife took advantage of. A fisherman has been fishing with a net for more than 30 years, and once a goldfish gets caught in the net. She asks the old man to let her go, for which she is ready to fulfill any of his wishes. The fisherman lets the fish go with "peace" and does not ask for anything. When he told his old woman about this, she scolds him that she could not even ask for a trough. The old man returns to the sea, calls for a fish and asks for a trough. More than once the fisherman will go to the sea with the requests of his wife, until the patience of the sea mistress ends. The tale teaches gratitude, moderation, condemns greed and pride.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 16 December 2021 16: 47
                0
                Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
                The tale teaches gratitude, moderation, condemns greed and pride.

                This was under Pushkin, but now all moral principles have turned in the opposite direction.
                1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                  KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 17: 56
                  0
                  Quote: tihonmarine
                  This was under Pushkin, but now all moral principles have turned in the opposite direction.

                  all this is logical, as well as the emergence of these principles ...
          2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
            KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 15: 56
            +1
            Quote: Krasnoyarsk
            It would not hurt the "highest" to think about reducing the incidence of dissatisfaction, since they are always dissatisfied. At least for show.

            "The Tale of the Fisherman and the Fish" - a work in verse by A.S. Pushkin, loved by children for two centuries. It tells about the extraordinary luck of a simple fisherman, which his wife took advantage of. A fisherman has been fishing with a net for more than 30 years, and once a goldfish gets caught in the net. She asks the old man to let her go, for which she is ready to fulfill any of his wishes. The fisherman lets the fish go with "peace" and does not ask for anything. When he told his old woman about this, she scolds him that she could not even ask for a trough. The old man returns to the sea, calls for a fish and asks for a trough. More than once the fisherman will go to the sea with the requests of his wife, until the patience of the sea mistress ends. The tale teaches gratitude, moderation, condemns greed and pride.
      2. Sidor Amenpodestovich
        Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 December 2021 11: 03
        -9
        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
        And the "highest" did not think about the public resonance?

        Isesno!
        But haste in judgments is a property of either an innocent childhood, or impenetrable stupidity.
        Why think about it? Suddenly she will begin to broadcast something like: "The degree of my delusion is so deep, so deep that it is impossible to describe ... I was wandering, one might say, in the dull darkness of immorality!" And so on in the same spirit.
        Ramzan decided to show who is the boss in the house (Chechnya).

        Well, you give, by God. This, excuse me, is such nonsense that it’s a shame to even discuss such a thing.
        However, I mentioned that for the narrow-minded "many-zealots" this incident is an uncultivated field for idiotic theories.
        1. Krasnoyarsk
          Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 11: 34
          +1
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

          Why think about it? Suddenly she will start broadcasting something like: "The degree of my delusion is so deep, so deep that it is impossible to describe ...

          And all the Amenpodestovichs, together with the Vesposianovichs, will amicably substitute trusting ears for this noodle, unlike all the others.
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

          Well, you give, by God. This, excuse me, is such nonsense that it’s a shame to even discuss such a thing.

          And you try, in spite of your girlish shame, to discuss. Or is the intestine small?
          Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
          However, I also mentioned that for the narrow-minded "multi-scholars"

          "Many-zealots" usually APPROVE, and those who are not very, ask questions, make assumptions -
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Most likely, Ramzan decided to show who is the boss in the house (Chechnya).
          1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
            Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 December 2021 11: 41
            -5
            And all the Amenpodestovichs, together with the Vesposianovichs, will amicably substitute trusting ears for this noodle, unlike all the others.

            What kind of noodles? It seems that so far no one has announced anything, unlike you companions.
            It is you who have already spread the thought along the tree, that the indemnity, the Kremlin went nuts, fell flat and the like.
            And you try, in spite of your girlish shame, to discuss. Or is the intestine small?

            Do you take it on "weak"? Are you a schoolboy? I will not react to such cheap provocations, thank you.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 11: 47
              +1
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
              What kind of noodles?

              I am about the remorse of your client. Are you having difficulty understanding the simplest text?
              Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

              Do you take it on "weak"? Are you a schoolboy? I will not react to such cheap provocations, thank you.

              Yes, who would doubt it.
              1. Sidor Amenpodestovich
                Sidor Amenpodestovich 16 December 2021 12: 02
                -3
                I am about the remorse of your client. Are you having difficulty understanding the simplest text?

                This was precisely my guess, not a statement by officials.
                Since this aunt was brought to Russia, it means that the federal authorities need it for some reason.
                Kadyrov is not drawn to the ruler of Russia in any way, no matter how disharmonious it may be with the fantasies of individual participants in this forum.
                Yes, who would doubt it.

                Tell me, how do you feel about any Veles books and other "historical" documents?
                1. Krasnoyarsk
                  Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 19: 35
                  -1
                  Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich

                  Since this aunt was brought to Russia, it means that the federal authorities need it for some reason.

                  Alas, they brought her not to Russia, but to Chechnya, and this is not the same thing. Are you sure that it is the FEDERAL government that needs it?
                  Nobody has proved to me that "Veles's Book" is a fake, just as nobody has proved that it is a historical artifact. Therefore, I cannot say anything about this. But...
                  In order to "cook up" this "artifact", the "cook" had to know at least all Slavic languages, for the "artifact" used ancient words (outdated) of almost all Slavic peoples. Do you know many of these "chefs"? Here I am about the same.
                  I can imagine how this connoisseur of all Slavic languages ​​sits poor and cuts letters on a wooden plank. What a job! And why?
                  I have the same attitude to The Tale of Bygone Years. After all, all the information was recorded from the retellings of several people, from one to another, who were not witnesses of the events described.
    2. Nyrobsky
      Nyrobsky 16 December 2021 11: 13
      -2
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      On the one hand, it seems like sheer crap. On the other hand, that such actions are not undertaken without the highest coordination. So, for this woman who needs to have some plans.
      I share your opinion. Anyway, certain services will still work with her, in terms of the same Zakayev and his connections.
      Quote: Sidor Amenpodestovich
      In general, for the narrow-minded conspiracy theorists, rapid-fire continuous expanse.
      It's true. For many, the most important thing here is to wave a saber, and if they suddenly turn out to be wrong, then they will easily disown their words, because they are very "principled".
      And so, it is very interesting how it happened that the British, in charge of the Ichkerian government in exile, gave her the opportunity to fly to Russia. Or did she get on the checkpoints? For Bereza, the desire to return to Russia turned into a scarf around her neck.
      1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
        KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 11: 19
        -3
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        Or did she get on the checkpoints?

        like Snowden))))))))))))))))))))) 0
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 16 December 2021 11: 22
          +2
          Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          Or did she get on the checkpoints?

          like Snowden))))))))))))))))))))) 0

          Laughter with laughter, but Snowden calculated the development of the situation much better than Assange. I don't think he regrets.
          1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
            KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 12: 06
            -2
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            calculated the development of the situation much better

            well, this can be seen from the results ...
      2. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 11: 38
        +4
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        I share your opinion. Anyway, certain services will still work with her, in terms of the same Zakayev and his connections.

        Do you want to say that if she was met not with flowers, but with handcuffs, then "certain services" would not be able to work with her? laughing
        1. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 16 December 2021 12: 04
          0
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          I share your opinion. Anyway, certain services will still work with her, in terms of the same Zakayev and his connections.

          Do you want to say that if she was met not with flowers, but with handcuffs, then "certain services" would not be able to work with her? laughing

          HM. Do you really think that when someone voluntarily surrenders, then, anyway, he must first be hammered half to death and let him hang on a rack? Such a practice is unlikely to contribute to the fact that others would give up, who are morally ready to do this, but still doubt and continue to sit out in burrows. In this, whatever one may say, there is still a certain tactic and strategy.
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 19: 54
            -1
            Quote: Nyrobsky

            HM. Do you really think so that when someone voluntarily surrenders, then, anyway, he must first be stuttered half to death and given

            To stammer, not stutter, but it is necessary to conduct an investigation of her affairs. And, if there are criminal offenses on her, and they are - after all, she is one of the leaders, then - judge according to the full severity of the law.
        2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 12: 07
          -3
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          and with handcuffs, then "certain services" could not work with her?

          of course not!!!
          first she was given guarantees, and then ... then she came home!
          1. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 19: 58
            -1
            Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

            of course not!!!
            first she was given guarantees, and then ... then she came home!

            What guarantees? What are you talking about? This is called a special operation. All means are good for catching a criminal. All the more so if the criminal is a carrier of information.
      3. tihonmarine
        tihonmarine 16 December 2021 12: 32
        -1
        Quote: Nyrobsky
        For Bereza, the desire to return to Russia turned into a scarf around her neck.

        Whom they need and take. Not everything is so simple, and there are many scarves.
  4. Woodman
    Woodman 16 December 2021 09: 36
    +10
    Why do you understand? Let it be forgotten and useless by all in Europe ... I don’t understand.
    1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 11: 01
      -4
      Quote: Lesovik
      I do not understand.

      now everyone who is rotting in Europe has a lump in his throat ... a true Chechen in Europe is bad! they are forced to live in alien customs among the Gentiles. can you imagine how a proud highlander turns up when some effeminate little man with painted nails tells him what to do))))))
      now among the highlanders of Europe such fermentation will begin))))))))
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 11: 23
        +7
        Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
        can you imagine how a proud mountaineer turns up when he has some

        "Proud" highlanders are then proud when there is support from fellow countrymen, clan, diaspora. If this support is not there, then they are the most loyal and devoted "friends" and do not hesitate to fawn and praise and grovel. It is worth changing the situation and ... a knife in the back of the "friend and brother"
        1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 12: 11
          -4
          Quote: Krasnoyarsk
          It is worth changing the situation and ... a knife in the back of the "friend and brother"

          this is common to all peoples ... by the way, Ukrainians and Russians are one people?
          1. tihonmarine
            tihonmarine 16 December 2021 12: 35
            0
            Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
            By the way, Ukrainians and Russians are one people?

            One is one, but it turned out that the wells are different.
            1. Krasnoyarsk
              Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 19: 50
              -1
              Quote: tihonmarine
              Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
              By the way, Ukrainians and Russians are one people?

              One is one, but it turned out that the wells are different.

              So do not spit in a "foreign" well.
              1. tihonmarine
                tihonmarine 16 December 2021 20: 24
                0
                Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                So do not spit in a "foreign" well.

                We don’t spit, but the neighbor even pees.
          2. Krasnoyarsk
            Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 19: 48
            -1
            Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

            this is common to all peoples ... by the way, Ukrainians and Russians are one people?

            Yes one. Only you do not confuse the people and the authorities. And don't say they CHOSE this power. You too, Borya, have chosen in due time.
            1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
              KIND LAVRENTIUS 20 December 2021 11: 52
              0
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And don't say they CHOSE this power. You too, Borya, have chosen in due time.

              who???
              to the Ukrainians, Putin said that they needed to support Medvedchuk and vote for Boyko ... but the Ukrainians chose WE ....
              themselves evil Buratins ...
              ps
              and yes, the Russians chose Boris for themselves ... and yes, the Soviet people destroyed the USSR on their own ...
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 20 December 2021 14: 27
                0
                Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

                to the Ukrainians, Putin said that they needed to support Medvedchuk and vote for Boyko ... but the Ukrainians chose WE ....

                Putin is not as smart as you, so he did not say that.
                1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                  KIND LAVRENTIUS 20 December 2021 17: 23
                  0
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Putin is not as smart as you, so he did not say that.

                  Before the elections, Putin received Medvedchuk with Boyko and promised them a 25% discount on gas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
                  you don't need to have seven spans in your forehead to understand who the Russian Federation and Putin personally support !!!
                  the head of state DOES NOT MEET anyone who does not understand, only with those whom he supports or ONLY with an EQUAL PERSON in status (the president of another state, an exception is only for a representative of the United States).
                  1. Krasnoyarsk
                    Krasnoyarsk 20 December 2021 18: 31
                    0
                    Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

                    Before the elections, Putin received Medvedchuk with Boyko and promised them a 25% discount on gas !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

                    And who in Ukraine knew about this? Do not forget about the dosed information from the Ukrainian mass media to the people. This is the first thing. And secondly, did everyone who knew about it correctly understand Putin's indirect message? Those who understood correctly voted for Boyko. And those who did not know and did not understand voted for - "I will even go through humiliation, but I will stop the war." Somehow he spoke.
                    1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                      KIND LAVRENTIUS 20 December 2021 19: 02
                      0
                      Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                      And who in Ukraine knew about this?

                      full of news from Ukraine about this
                      ..
                      EVERYONE KNEW EVERYTHING !!!!!!!
                      AND THIS IS THEIR CHOICE !!!!
                      1. Krasnoyarsk
                        Krasnoyarsk 20 December 2021 19: 26
                        0
                        Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS

                        full of news from Ukraine about this
                        ..
                        EVERYONE KNEW EVERYTHING !!!!!!!

                        I understand that you want it to be the way you want it. But alas. It is not always so. Continue with your delusions. hi
                      2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
                        KIND LAVRENTIUS 21 December 2021 08: 22
                        0
                        Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                        Continue with your delusions.

                        information about a discount in Ukrainian news editions is googled at times .... so you are wrong with misconceptions.
  5. askort154
    askort154 16 December 2021 09: 37
    +15
    It would have been possible to meet her so magnificently if she had brought Zakayev in handcuffs. And so .... some misunderstandings.
  6. Million
    Million 16 December 2021 09: 38
    +16
    How do our leaders view this? Or are they not decree to Kadyrov ?:
    1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 11: 03
      -5
      Quote: Million
      How do our leaders view this?

      positively
      Quote: Million
      Or are they not a decree to Kadyrov?

      consistent with GDP.
  7. seti
    seti 16 December 2021 09: 40
    +19
    Flowers instead of bringing her to justice? Russophobia should cost a minimum of imprisonment for every Russophobe.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 16 December 2021 09: 55
      +6
      Quote: seti
      Flowers instead of bringing her to justice? Russophobia should cost a minimum of imprisonment for every Russophobe.

      flowers are perplexing
      maybe clanmates' relatives

      as for the criminal prosecution, it is obvious that she flew under certain guarantees
      otherwise would continue to hang out in Britain
      logic dictates that guarantees are given against promises
      it is even possible that she already performed some of them while in London
      1. Klingon
        Klingon 16 December 2021 10: 08
        +6
        What are the promises? Scattered the bags with the Newbie ?? wassat
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        2. Flooding
          Flooding 16 December 2021 10: 36
          -1
          Quote: Klingon
          What are the promises? Scattered the bags with the Newbie ??

          Why do you need to know this?
          just consider that the issue was resolved at the top
          therefore, there were reasons
      2. AlexVas44
        AlexVas44 16 December 2021 10: 34
        +3
        Quote: Flood
        flowers are perplexing
        maybe clanmates' relatives

        So the fighting friends-comrades came with flowers and lezginka.
    2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 11: 04
      -3
      Quote: seti
      Russophobia should cost a minimum of imprisonment for every Russophobe.

      Should Chechenophobia be?
      1. Krasnoyarsk
        Krasnoyarsk 16 December 2021 20: 02
        +1
        Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
        Should Chechenophobia be?

        Chechenophobia did not appear out of nowhere.
  8. Obi-Wan Kenobi
    Obi-Wan Kenobi 16 December 2021 09: 41
    +17
    In Grozny, Rubati Mitsaeva was expected to receive a magnificent reception with flowers from the first persons of the republic.

    Great toast !!!
    Instead of the Mordovian camps, she was "covered" !!!
    Life is good! Infantryman Kadyrov is handsome!
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 16 December 2021 09: 47
      +3
      Instead of the Mordovian camps, she was "covered" !!!

      Do not need her in our land, let her live in his Ichkeria *.
      1. Obi-Wan Kenobi
        Obi-Wan Kenobi 16 December 2021 15: 54
        +5
        Do not need her in our land, let her live in his Ichkeria *.
        laughing
        She is needed immediately as a deputy from United Russia, to Moscow, to the State Duma!
        1. zwlad
          zwlad 16 December 2021 15: 59
          0
          By the way option.
  9. Kesha1980
    Kesha1980 16 December 2021 09: 43
    +6
    She was received with dancing yesterday. And in Turkey yesterday a monument to Dudaev was opened.
    That's how we live...
    1. Kesha1980
      Kesha1980 16 December 2021 10: 09
      +5
      In relation to the high-profile murder of a Chechen militant in Germany, one can recall the following:
      The representative office of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria in Berlin, together with the Deutsch-Kaukasishe Geselschaft, held a rally in front of the Russian Embassy in Germany on Saturday.

      The reason was the murder of Chechen Zelimkhan Khangoshvili by a citizen of the Russian Federation on August 23 in Berlin.

      “We gathered for a protest, because our hero, who defended his land, was killed in the center of Europe; another contract murder was committed. Of course, this is a political murder, of course the Kremlin killed him,” she said Rubati Mitsaeva, a representative of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ichkeria and a representative of Prime Minister Akhmed Zakayev in especially important matters in Europe.

      Right now, probably, the local will go to the deputies.
      1. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 16 December 2021 12: 52
        -1
        Quote: Kesha1980
        In relation to the high-profile murder of a Chechen militant in Germany, one can recall the following:
        The representative office of the Chechen Republic of Ichkeria in Berlin, together with the Deutsch-Kaukasishe Geselschaft, held a rally in front of the Russian Embassy in Germany on Saturday.

        The reason was the murder of Chechen Zelimkhan Khangoshvili by a citizen of the Russian Federation on August 23 in Berlin.

        “We gathered for a protest, because our hero, who defended his land, was killed in the center of Europe; another contract murder was committed. Of course, this is a political murder, of course the Kremlin killed him,” she said Rubati Mitsaeva, a representative of the Cabinet of Ministers of Ichkeria and a representative of Prime Minister Akhmed Zakayev in especially important matters in Europe.

        Right now, probably, the local will go to the deputies.

        I here once said that Zelensky has nowhere to run from Ukraine after his "activities".

        But no, your deeds are wonderful, Lord! After such a performance by this witch and such a warm welcome in my homeland, I would not be surprised if for Zelensky in Rostov a house under linden trees, with a vegetable garden and a hog in a shed, is already in store.
        1. Kesha1980
          Kesha1980 16 December 2021 13: 26
          +1
          ... After such a performance by this witch and such a warm welcome in my homeland, I would not be surprised if for Zelensky in Rostov a house under linden trees, with a vegetable garden and a hog in a shed, is already in store.

          Confirmed, colleague. Everything is pretty obvious. Even the piano can be adjusted for free.
        2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 17: 54
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          for Zelensky in Rostov, a house under linden trees, with a vegetable garden and a hog in a shed, is already in store.

          yes, in store!
          and he will get it if he manages to get out of the war
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 17 December 2021 01: 51
            0
            Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            for Zelensky in Rostov, a house under linden trees, with a vegetable garden and a hog in a shed, is already in store.

            yes, in store!
            and he will get it if he manages to get out of the war

            He might, and would be glad to blast. And in a house under linden trees in Rostov, I would calmly shoot the continuation of "Matchmakers" until retirement ... Only now they won't give it. They didn’t make him a president so that he could decide something on his own.
        3. tihonmarine
          tihonmarine 16 December 2021 20: 29
          +1
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          I would not be surprised if for Zelensky in Rostov there is also a house under linden trees,

          Every day with Yanukovych there will be faces to each other, to beat each other.
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 17 December 2021 01: 45
            +1
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            I would not be surprised if for Zelensky in Rostov there is also a house under linden trees,

            Every day with Yanukovych there will be faces to each other, to beat each other.

            Come on ... Politics is the same American wrestling. For the amusement of the audience in the ring, they did not kill each other a little. We changed clothes in the locker room, washed off the fake blood in the shower and went to drink beer together.
    2. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 11: 05
      -5
      Quote: Kesha1980
      And in Turkey yesterday

      so it is in turkey ... you never know in which ukraine that they open ...
    3. Hypertension
      Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 01
      +8
      Meanwhile, in Germany, Vadim Sokolov was sentenced to life, who is suspected of killing the field commander you mentioned ... This is who should be returned to Russia and greeted with flowers.
      1. Nyrobsky
        Nyrobsky 16 December 2021 12: 13
        -2
        Quote: Hyperion
        Meanwhile, in Germany, Vadim Sokolov was sentenced to life, who is suspected of killing the field commander you mentioned ... This is who should be returned to Russia and greeted with flowers.

        Vadim Sokolov in Russia is on the federal wanted list for an attempt on the life of a businessman, performed in the same style with a ride on a bicycle. If the Germans give him up, do not hesitate, the convoy will carefully take him under his white hands and ride him in a personal paddy wagon.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 19
          0
          Quote: Nyrobsky
          If the Germans give him up, do not hesitate, the convoy will carefully take him under his white hands and ride him in a personal paddy wagon.

          But for the elimination of the terrorist - so with flowers! As they say - combine arrest with celebrations.
      2. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 16 December 2021 12: 52
        +5
        Meanwhile, in Germany, Vadim Sokolov was sentenced to life.


        This is how I write. This "nurse with RPG / Kalash" had an extremely delightful day yesterday:
        - a monument to Dudaev was opened;
        - Sokolov was given a life sentence (about whose punishment she held a meeting);
        - they were warmly welcomed in Chechnya;
        - warned about the beginning of her "fattening on new salaries" (whatever one may say, but she did not come to begging).
        And the person who fulfilled Uncle Vova's promise "to eliminate terrorists" received a life sentence (maximum punishment) without sufficient evidence. Now he sits, reads the newspapers about the meeting of this "nurse" with flowers and dances, and just gets sick.
        And he thinks, or can bargain on the deadline and declare to the whole world about the "Kremlin's long arm", that "Putin personally accompanied and instructed him" - just imagine how this is expected over the hill. These games are dangerous, very dangerous.
        1. Hypertension
          Hypertension 16 December 2021 12: 58
          +1
          Quote: Kesha1980
          These games are dangerous, very dangerous.

          Mine of inherent action, not otherwise.
          1. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 16 December 2021 13: 23
            +5
            There are pluses - the impact on the "political emigration of the Vainakhs" - in essence, the terrorists who received political asylum. A kind of "advertising stand".
            But, personally, I (as a member of the CTO) have a desire to ask Uncle Vova the following: "you at least beckon us in advance when veterans need to write apologies about the erroneousness of our service. And to the SVR (" Sokolov ") employees, too. what is the rule of law and equality of all. "
            This aunt, by the way, in her address warned in advance that she was shell-shocked and could sometimes be "carried over" in her speeches - out of habit, she would vilify Russia.
            1. Hypertension
              Hypertension 16 December 2021 13: 27
              +4
              Quote: Kesha1980
              This aunt, by the way, in her address warned in advance that she was shell-shocked and could sometimes be "carried over" in her speeches - out of habit, she would vilify Russia.

              Tin ... Poor Peskov ... He then take the rap and explain that, they say, she meant something else ...
  10. Yrec
    Yrec 16 December 2021 09: 44
    +6
    They took off the allowance, so I returned under certain guarantees. She has not worked out her money for a long time, and in order to recapture her salary, they could have treated her like a prostitute Trotsky, that is, with Skripal. They would have poisoned it with helium-3, which the Russians would have delivered from the moon especially for this and would have screamed at every corner about the bloody Putin regime.
    1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 11: 06
      -1
      Quote: Yrec
      They would have poisoned it with helium-3, which the Russians would have delivered from the moon especially for this and would have screamed at every corner about the bloody Putin regime.

      by the way, YES !!!!! you have noticed it right!
    2. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 16 December 2021 12: 46
      +1
      Quote: Yrec
      They would have poisoned it with helium-3, which the Russians would have delivered from the moon especially for this and would have screamed at every corner about the bloody Putin regime.

      Have the British special services lost their grip? Ay-ay-ay ... But there was such an opportunity!
  11. T.A.V.
    T.A.V. 16 December 2021 09: 50
    +13
    What is it like? They do what they want. I decided to return home, to become a housewife, and so on, sincerely and honestly.
    Should we close our eyes to her past, to the war in Chechnya? Where are we heading?
    This woman, as she was an enemy, remained with them.
    Only now will he live at the expense of taxpayers. No words ....
    1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
      KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 11: 09
      -5
      Quote: T.A.V.
      Should we close our eyes to her past, to the war in Chechnya?

      Oh sure!
      end justifies the means!
      Quote: T.A.V.
      Where are we going?

      to a law-abiding society with a high level of income, well, with some national characteristics!
      1. unaha
        unaha 16 December 2021 15: 29
        +2
        Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
        towards a law-abiding, high-income society

        No. To total control and lack of rights, equality in poverty. In the future, the collapse of the nationalized economy and the next iteration of the collapse.
        1. KIND LAVRENTIUS
          KIND LAVRENTIUS 16 December 2021 15: 44
          -5
          Quote: unaha
          To total control and lack of rights, equality in poverty.

          to the USSR or what? .... so here the majority are only happy to get back to the USSR !!!!!!
          Quote: unaha
          In the future, the collapse of the nationalized economy and the next iteration of the collapse.

          everything is like in the USSR !!!!! here so many want !!!
          accordingly, one should rejoice, not complain !!!!
  12. ximkim
    ximkim 16 December 2021 09: 52
    +3
    Home is home.
    Again, what kind of house is it, where they walk around with a grenade launcher? And not a word about amnesty?
  13. Zoldat_A
    Zoldat_A 16 December 2021 09: 56
    +3
    in recent years when Rubati, being in Europe, faced certain life problems
    There is nowhere to live on, grants from European human rights defenders have run out? I decided to return home - there is a lot of money.
    Quote: mihai_md2003
    All the same, the director was right.

    He is not right. And he will never be right. But people like this witch will always feed here. In the West, they will give and then not. And here there will always be money. See how Grozny blossomed - the showcase of Russia. Like Tribaltika in the USSR. The regional order of Akhmad Kadyrov is the most expensive award in Russia in monetary terms. Sports centers, a city on fire, not on fire, skyscrapers ... The question is small - what does this region earn? Is there a powerful industrial base there? Is the gas pumped from there to Europe? Are the diamonds mined there? Are taiga being felled for export?

    Sokurov is wrong, I repeat. Nobody will scatter the territory. Only a showcase "showcase" would be nice and earn something by itself. Until then ...
    Ahmad-haji was the first to understand that it is much more profitable to be friends with Russia than to fight. And in this it differs for the better both from the Ukraine-Tribalts and from today's Europe. Just give it time - and all London "Ichkerists" will become ardent Russophiles and Putinists, they will be greeted with all flowers in Grozny.
    1. jonht
      jonht 16 December 2021 11: 24
      +2
      As they say in the east, "a former enemy, a more devoted friend." But did all of them become them ... hi
      If anything, this is from their own life, skem were the Ramses, now they are very loyal friends, but that is ordinary life ...
  14. Sgt.
    Sgt. 16 December 2021 10: 04
    0
    Why is Peskov silent?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 16 December 2021 11: 43
      -1
      Quote: Sergeant
      Why is Peskov silent?

      And what - he also had to send a bouquet to this witch? From myself, or from Putin right away?
      1. Sgt.
        Sgt. 16 December 2021 12: 09
        +5
        Apparently, I already sent a bunch.
      2. Zoldat_A
        Zoldat_A 16 December 2021 12: 42
        0
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Quote: Sergeant
        Why is Peskov silent?

        And what - he also had to send a bouquet to this witch? From myself, or from Putin right away?



        I didn't think that as many as three people harshly condemned me for the fact that, in my opinion, neither Peskov nor Putin should greet this witch with flowers. Then a medal, perhaps, to give her for the 90s and proclaim "an ideological refugee from the West to the Motherland"? And a letter from the Regional Trade Union Trade Union. And a ticket to a sanatorium with enhanced nutrition.
  15. ratmir77
    ratmir77 16 December 2021 10: 11
    +22
    After the Second World War, they also felt sorry for the Banderaites, and then they raised their children in hatred of the Union. I feel that we are sawing the branch on which we are sitting.
  16. your vsr 66-67
    your vsr 66-67 16 December 2021 10: 14
    0
    Maybe she returned as a foreign intelligence agent?
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 16 December 2021 11: 47
      -2
      Quote: your vsr 66-67
      Maybe she returned as a foreign intelligence agent?

      Kadyrov will arrange for her an "agent" - let him just move ... She will calmly receive her pension. From our Russian Pension Fund. An ordinary pension, "weighed down" with two or three "appendages". To be enough, as in old times, to wander around Europe with a new disc - "I used to be a terrorist and I was bad, but I was understood and forgiven, and now I am good, white and fluffy - everyone is in Avtodor!"
  17. Yulian
    Yulian 16 December 2021 10: 14
    +10
    Will Putin's infantryman have some conversation with Mitsaeva, or will they have forgiven everyone for the freedom and independence of Chechnya, and will they even give a reward for fighting against the Russians?
  18. Dikson
    Dikson 16 December 2021 10: 24
    +12
    Great news in the light of the latest Russian news .. A kind of thick hint to the Kremlin that proud and well-fed guys from the Caucasus can remember Dudaev's ideas at any moment .. probably even more money needs to be sent there .. otherwise, the infantrymen will not even be ready commanders in chief ..
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 December 2021 10: 29
    +3
    Hunger is not an aunt. It is expensive to live in Europe if there is no permanent income.
    She did not come from the bay-flounder. Surely the work was carried out, the conditions were discussed.
    The arrival of such a "moral leader" severely undermines the existence of a "government in exile." They can also cut funding ... wassat
    1. Dmitry Bolotsky
      Dmitry Bolotsky 16 December 2021 11: 18
      +1
      Good afternoon, Eugene! The first competent comment. In big politics, emotions have no place, only calculation. As they say - look for who benefits ...
  20. Not served
    Not served 16 December 2021 10: 53
    -1
    We have white generals who fought against the Red Army were returned back and they taught at military academies (a prototype of General Nekhlyudov from the movie Run).
    If she was given the go-ahead to return, then I think everything was agreed with the FSB, and with the GP, and with the UK. Good political action. But no matter how it becomes a Trojan horse.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 16 December 2021 20: 51
      +1
      Quote: Didn't serve
      We have white generals who fought against the Red Army were returned back and they taught at military academies

      It depends on what kind. Shkuro and Krasnova were hanged.
  21. Free wind
    Free wind 16 December 2021 11: 17
    +2
    Remember how you met the murderer of Budanov, and the pissed suicide bomber angry
  22. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 16 December 2021 11: 22
    +4
    The return from "progressive Europe" to the Chechen Republic of a native of the North Caucasus, Rubati Mitsaeva, caused a reaction and discussion on the network, both among experts and among ordinary citizens. The reason for the discussion that arose is connected with the personality of Mizaeva and with her activities during the wars on the territory of Chechnya and in the post-war periods.
    I have one question. And why is she and other figures of "Euroichkerism" not on the list of those prohibited from entering Russia?
  23. AUL
    AUL 16 December 2021 11: 41
    +4
    Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
    [b] EVERYONE who laid down their armsWERE PERMITTED ...
    Do you think that the concepts of "laid down arms" and "member of the government in exile" are compatible? Well, Kadyrov agrees, but then Kadyrov. His logic is unpredictable, because it is based only on his wishlist.
  24. musorg
    musorg 16 December 2021 12: 21
    +2
    As the song says, what you were, you stayed the same.
  25. Sergei Chernavsky
    Sergei Chernavsky 16 December 2021 12: 57
    +1
    Chechnya is simply preparing something for Russia, and Kadyrov cleaned up "I love Russia so much, I am a loyal soldier of Putin" well, fig knows, fig knows. I'm not even talking about the strange gatherings on the border of Chechnya. The FSB needs to keep its ears on top now.
  26. SSA
    SSA 16 December 2021 13: 11
    -3
    I am surprised by the people who echo Sokurov. Well, let's think about it, we will separate Chechnya from the Russian Federation, and what? Chechnya is not Kazakhstan or Uzbekistan. This republic, within a short time, will become a den of Wahhabi terrorism, but this den will not be there, in distant Syria, Somaliland, etc., but here, right next to it, at an "arrow flight" distance, as they say. Police operations will not give anything, this is a stage already passed, all this has been studied a hundred times.

    There are only two options: Chechnya is a subject and friends (with its own characteristics, but friends). Or they are dangerous, stubborn and implacable enemies, financially supported by all terrorist communities of a near-Muslim persuasion. And what do they do with a dangerous well-armed enemy? It is destroyed. Completely, to the core, to the point of impossibility to create any resistance. Means war? Well, yes, because now we have such powerful armed forces, not like in 1994. but ... Russia is not the United States, and Chechnya is not Iraq (Afghan), where you can arrive in a huge group, to the other end of the globe, shoot and destroy as much as you can, and leave. Are you ready for a full-scale war, using all non-nuclear weapons? Practically in your own territory ... a day's drive from Moscow?

    Genocide against an entire people was possible in the Middle Ages, at the beginning of the 20th century (Turkey in relation to the Armenians), it is already less possible closer to the middle of the 20th century (Nazi Germany against the Jews). In the early 21st century, this is hardly possible.
    1. musketon64
      musketon64 16 December 2021 17: 43
      +3
      There are only two options: Chechnya is a subject and friends (with its own characteristics, but friends).

      Chechens? ..... our friends? With such "friends" and enemies are not needed.

      and here, right next to it, at the distance of "arrow flight" as they say.
      ...... dangerous, stubborn and implacable enemies, supported financially by all terrorist communities of a near-Muslim persuasion.

      There is an Israeli experience of how to live surrounded by enemies on the territory shot through by terrorist "arrows" far and wide. With an aspect ratio of --- 9 million Jews oppose 250 million Arabs. And nothing, how to fight back, without sinking to genocide. Limited to police operations and targeted killings of terrorists.
      1. SSA
        SSA 16 December 2021 23: 30
        -1
        It is wonderful that you have compared to Israel. Only you have forgotten that Israel, on the contrary, squeezed the Arabs out of the territories, organized its own state!
        (I'm not talking about correctness or incorrectness right now). And you also forgot that Israel lives almost constantly under martial law. And in general, while not a single state independently gave up its territories (except for the collapsed USSR), I say it is a part of the state, and not colonies, like Great Britain-India, for example, you are suggesting nonsense!

        No one has any doubts that independent Chechnya will turn into the same thing as it was in the 90s. And so you propose: we will surround Chechnya with barbed wire, create a separate army group that will sit and guard this border. Yes, this option is theoretically possible. But what funds will be spent on this? What for? Now Kadyrov, on his own, harshly suppresses any manifestations of terrorism. Who, if not a former militant, knows best how to eliminate terrorists. Supporting the Kadyrov government is cheaper and more practical than military operations with casualties.
        Quote: musketone64
        not stopping to genocide

        I have read many works about the genocide of the Palestinians. I do not know, believe no, how to look.
        Quote: musketone64
        Limited to police operations and targeted killings of terrorists

        Yes, yes ... policemen ... with the use of the most protected heavy tanks, artillery, aviation. Well, such a ... a small police operation.

        Russia has already carried out one counter-terrorist operation in the Caucasus, the consequences are known to everyone.
        1. musketon64
          musketon64 17 December 2021 10: 34
          +1
          Only you have forgotten that Israel, on the contrary, squeezed the Arabs out of the territories, organized its own state!

          Why did you decide that I have forgotten? And I also remember that a long time ago the Jews themselves fled from Palestine around the world from the special operations of the Romans to suppress the uprisings of the people of Judea for independence from the Empire. And so they returned. Now each of the parties considers this Promised Land to be theirs. And there is no end in sight to the war. For this reason, Israel lives under martial law. And I must say - he lives well, in good shape, so as not to relax.
          By the way, if you started talking who is squeezing whom, then right now, in our country, under the criminal and economic pressure of the Caucasians, there is an outflow of the Russian-speaking population from the Stavropol Territory. Everything goes to the fact that in the Southern Federal District we will get another "national republic" tightly supported by subsidies.

          But what funds will be spent on this? What for? Now Kadyrov, on his own, harshly suppresses any manifestations of terrorism. Who, if not a former militant, knows best how to eliminate terrorists. Supporting the Kadyrov government is cheaper and more practical than military operations with casualties.

          It will be much cheaper than supporting an entire rapidly growing republic on subsidies, which spills out its naturally aggressive potential to neighboring regions.

          And in general, while not a single state independently gave up its territories (except for the collapsed USSR), I say it is a part of the state, and not colonies, like Great Britain-India, for example, you are suggesting nonsense!

          Yugoslavia, in case you forgot. If they tried to preserve the Union, they would get the same series of bloody civil wars throughout the territory. And so, the bloodsuckers fell off, well, those who "fed us."

          Who, if not a former militant, knows best how to eliminate terrorists.

          A-ha, the Jews, they probably take advice from him on how to fight terrorism. But seriously, the entire burden of the war against Chechen terrorism, as always, fell on the shoulders of our soldiers - the Pskov, Tula, Kostroma and other children of the regions of our country. I do not know of any examples where Kadyrov's men took part in serious operations to destroy bandit formations. But I heard stories about constant conflicts between the military and future "heroes of Russia." The only thing that can be attributed to Kadyrov's asset is that he dragged the "mountain-forestry brothers" from illegal armed groups into his army, which formally belongs to the Ministry of Internal Affairs. But this asset is very, to put it mildly, dubious. Take former militants to serve in the Russian Guard. At any time, they will "change".

          Russia has already carried out one counter-terrorist operation in the Caucasus, the consequences are known to everyone.

          This is not one, but only another CTO in a series of similar ones from the century before last, during the conquest of the Caucasus. What under the tsarist regime, what under the Soviet regime, what now.

          Yes, yes ... policemen ... with the use of the most protected heavy tanks, artillery, aviation. Well, such a ... a small police operation.

          We called it the same - a counter-terrorist operation, using the entire spectrum of heavy weapons. The name does not change the essence.
      2. Elturisto
        Elturisto 17 December 2021 14: 47
        -1
        Do not write nonsense - behind Israel is the entire world diaspora, with its financial and media resources. Kissinger, Obama, Al Gore and many others who do you think?
        1. musketon64
          musketon64 17 December 2021 15: 03
          0
          Yes, they do. Financially and media. That does only honor to this diaspora. And who is sitting in the notorious trenches? Who conducts intelligence and develops operations to eliminate terrorists? Who develops new technologies for warfare? The answer is obvious - the Jewish people.
          Well, who is behind the Arabs? Monarchies of the Gulf. With their unlimited financial resources.
          And behind the Lebanese Shiites is Iran.
          The region is pumped up with weapons and hatred. And Israel is ready to stand up for themselves and their shrines of the time of King Solomon.
          1. Elturisto
            Elturisto 17 December 2021 16: 38
            -1
            This diaspora has no honor and never has. As for the Arab countries, they are dependent on the United States and, therefore, Israel. China still supports Israel. Without this support, the existence of Israel is impossible.
            1. musketon64
              musketon64 17 December 2021 17: 10
              0
              This diaspora has no honor and never has.

              But
              behind Israel stands the entire world diaspora, with its own financial and media resources.
              ... You contradict yourself. About them, as we say: A raven will not peck out a crow's eyes. One gang - a watering can.

              As for the Arab countries, they are dependent on the United States and, therefore, Israel.

              Even in the US, not everyone supports Israel. Let us recall the tense (relatively) relations with Israel during the presidency of Barack Obama. More or less have returned to business as usual under Trump. You can hear about this cuisine from the Ukrainian political scientist Dmitry Dzhangirov. "Game of Thrones" is a children's fairy tale, compared to what is happening behind the scenes in the USA. The USA - Israel - Gulf countries link is far-fetched. The Arabs do not contain Israel. China acts only in its own interests.

              Israel cannot exist without this support.

              But it is there. And no prerequisites for its termination are observed.
  27. Tneburashka
    Tneburashka 16 December 2021 13: 34
    +2
    I would like to believe that she surrendered all the underground terrorists and for this she was allowed to return home, but this is fantasy
  28. Dmitry Antonov
    Dmitry Antonov 16 December 2021 13: 57
    +4
    This "zvizda" came to make an offer to Kadyrov, which, unfortunately, he cannot refuse. More specifically, the behavior of the Chechen Republic in the event of an exacerbation of the RF-NATO. Surely London wants to offer Kadyrov the presidency of what will be left of Russia, because the army of Kadyrov's fighters is now the most prepared. Of course, they do not care about Russia, such is the mentality - where the money is, it’s profitable with those.
  29. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 16 December 2021 14: 02
    +1
    Quote: KIND LAVRENTIUS
    Quote: T.A.V.
    Should we close our eyes to her past, to the war in Chechnya?

    Oh sure!
    end justifies the means!
    Quote: T.A.V.
    Where are we going?

    to a law-abiding society with a high level of income, well, with some national characteristics!

    When you speak, it feels like you are delusional ...
  30. pexotinec
    pexotinec 16 December 2021 14: 34
    +1
    Her SK should have met right?
  31. Gladius
    Gladius 16 December 2021 14: 42
    -4
    I think she recruited her, otherwise they would not be allowed into the country, or at least warned that they would close it if they came. As Saakashvili in Georgia was constantly warned by the government - do not come, the prison is shining. He arrived - he was closed.
  32. MDSW
    MDSW 16 December 2021 15: 13
    -11
    The woman returned home. She is a true hero of her people.
  33. alystan
    alystan 16 December 2021 16: 12
    -1
    I don’t know, I’ll probably express a seditious thought, but this Rubati Mitsaeva is not a Chechen at all, but a one hundred percent Jew. From Chechnya - yes, but not a Chechen woman! Look at her face, especially in the first photo, all questions will disappear by themselves.
    1. Pushkar
      Pushkar 16 December 2021 20: 46
      0
      Quote: alystan
      Oh, this Rubati Mitsaeva is not a Chechen, but a one hundred percent Jew
      Now everything is clear! Measure her skull!
  34. alexey shkurin
    alexey shkurin 16 December 2021 19: 58
    0
    if she is not condemned, then the fact of treason is obvious.
  35. SSA
    SSA 16 December 2021 23: 50
    -1
    Quote: musketone64
    Chechens? ..... our friends? With such "friends" and enemies are not needed.

    Well .. Chechens are not friends! Let's separate them!
    And the Ingush? Are Ingush friends? Further, they are not friends. Let's separate them too - Ingushetia on the free voyage!

    And the Dagestanis? I served with the Dagestanis, these are real parasites and bandits! There are now terrorist and bandit groups in Dagestan, incomparably more than in Chechnya! Dagestan - to float freely!

    How do you like Kabardino-Balkaria? This is where riots and the murder of police officers took place in 1968 (still under the USSR). Where the troops were led. And in Nalchik in 2005, in general, 200 militants created chaos in the streets. All local! There are very strong gangster and terrorist sentiments!

    Let Kabardino-Balkaria go on a free voyage.

    And what do we get? We will get at our side a huge wild territory, which the Russian Empire assimilated for centuries!
  36. maratkoRuEkb
    maratkoRuEkb 22 December 2021 13: 25
    0
    But it is quite possible that now she will begin to testify against this whole Caudla. She probably has a lot of information about the events of those years. They invited me to their homeland, promised to give shelter in exchange for information.