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The expert drew parallels between the state of modern society and society during the decline of the Roman Empire

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The expert drew parallels between the state of modern society and society during the decline of the Roman Empire

What kind of society is easier to manage, manipulate? Of course, the one that is divided, disunited, the parts of which have a large number of claims against each other. Unfortunately, modern society (and this is not only about Russia) is either on the way to total disunity, or has already come to such a point.


For Russia, this is a problem of an existential nature, because the greater the degree of disunity and mutual distrust in society, the greater the danger it poses for the unity of the country, for its development. For this reason, you cannot ignore such a problem, try to close your eyes to it, or even turn a blind eye to it.

It adds to the problems that one way or another is connected with the pandemic and its consequences. This is also a decrease in the activity of small business, which in countries with a market economy acts as an economic foundation. This is a high level of corruption. This is a decline in the level of education, including in connection with the systematic transitions to the so-called "distance learning" that have become. This is the low bar of public morality, when what is blameworthy is extolled and what is worthy of respect is criticized.

On this occasion, the channel "Nashe Zavtra" presents the reflections of Akhmat Glashev, editor-in-chief of the journal "Issues of Turkology". The expert, in an interview with the leading Dionysus Kaptar, draws parallels between the state of modern society and society during the decline of the Roman Empire.

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  1. Aerodrome
    Aerodrome 15 December 2021 09: 51
    +3
    What kind of society is easier to manage, manipulate?
    stupid, dumb and illiterate, in general, a herd. which is what the current "education" is striving for.
    1. tihonmarine
      tihonmarine 15 December 2021 10: 33
      +4
      Quote: Aerodrome
      stupid, dumb and illiterate, in general, a herd

      Cattle and cattle are easy to manage, the main thing is that the "shepherd" has strength and a good whip.
      1. Region-25.rus
        Region-25.rus 19 December 2021 16: 14
        +1
        Cattle and cattle are easy to manage, the main thing is that the "shepherd" has strength and a good whip.
        and there is also such a saying (they say it is very ancient) - "If a herd of rams is ruled by a lion, then the rams will become lions! And if the lions are controlled by a ram, then the lions will turn into rams." hi
  2. rocket757
    rocket757 15 December 2021 10: 15
    +1
    The expert drew parallels between the state of modern society and society during the decline of the Roman Empire
    ... Russia does not stand out against the GENERAL BACKGROUND in anything significant.
    Everyone has problems, to one degree or another .... with social justice, there is no big difference among states, i.e. nowhere is it, especially, if you dig more carefully.
    Everyone is used to living in an atmosphere of continuous compromise.
    It is clear that it does not bother us that we have risen in terms of the welfare of the working people higher, there is where it strives ... but this itself does not happen, not in this coordinate system.
    1. Xlor
      Xlor 15 December 2021 11: 09
      +1
      Russia does not stand out in anything significant against the GENERAL BACKGROUND

      Due to the general poverty and disorder of the population, in Russia there is still some kind of energy in the desire to live better. What is no longer in Western society - they are simply overweight consumers ...
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 15 December 2021 12: 25
        +1
        Come on, but then in the "developed" countries everything is with everything, so blissful that there is nowhere else to seek?
        Percentages / ratios may vary from country to country, and the principles are one to one.
        There are countries where a compromise has reached such an order that with a stretch it can be called a semblance, if not social justice, like that ... as a rule, these are small countries with an established political system and economy.
        But, right now, all this is being seriously tested by several stages of the crisis and it is not clear how it will all end ...
        For us, this is not a reason either to calm down, or to pursue, without a goal and without measure ... there is an understandable, quite real goal, now I would take up the implementation of it, calmly, with the arrangement of priorities and paramounts ... only in this way.
        It is necessary to do it BY YOURSELF, ALL TOGETHER, because it will not happen by itself.
        1. ivan2022
          ivan2022 30 December 2021 11: 35
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          Quote: rocket757
          Come on, but then in the "developed" countries everything is with everything, so blissful that there is nowhere else to seek?
          ..... It is necessary to do it BY YOURSELF, ALL TOGETHER, because it itself will not happen.

          This is what the peoples of the West can do better than us.... "Dear Russians" somehow forget that the peoples of the West were not given their well-being by a "kind gentleman." They achieved everything with their own hand. We in 1991 "with our own ......" only managed to gouge our country in peacetime. Because they decided that "if you put a master like in the West," he will do everything to us, his servants, AS THERE. He did.
          1. rocket757
            rocket757 30 December 2021 11: 40
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            Quote: ivan2022
            They achieved everything with their own hand.

            Clarification ... much of the wealth of the most "progressive" countries is the result of the forced robbery of many, many, weaker countries. This is a fact.
            They themselves also skillfully and persistently worked, this is also a fact.
            Any medal has two sides, you should not forget about it, never.
  3. Gato
    Gato 15 December 2021 10: 33
    +1
    What has been will be; and what has been done will be done, and there is nothing new under the sun.
    (C) Ecclesiastes
    It is not clear only, where are the problems of Turkic studies here? Who claims to be the new barbarians in this turn of the historical spiral?
    1. Xlor
      Xlor 15 December 2021 11: 05
      +1
      Who claims to be the new barbarians in this turn of the historical spiral?

      Third world states ...
  4. Nikolaevich I
    Nikolaevich I 15 December 2021 10: 35
    +1
    Alas! And I have to write in the comments about the decomposition of the moral, social foundations of the human community in Russia and not only ... The former society is breaking up into several formations "according to interests" ... often selfish! As you know, "the fish rots from the head!" , stricken with vices, but dominating the state structure of the country, nation ... controlling the territory, imposes its vices on the community as a whole ... contributes to their spread! I don’t know how to resist this! To resist, the people must have a pronounced moral will, a developed sense of self-preservation, healthy nationalism (a sense of national dignity)! Such qualities are not particularly noticeable now in Russia ... "the people have," and they "rejoice"!
    1. Aerodrome
      Aerodrome 15 December 2021 12: 24
      +1
      Quote: Nikolaevich I
      Alas! And I have to write in the comments about the decomposition of the moral, social foundations of the human community in Russia and not only ... The former society is breaking up into several formations "according to interests" ... often selfish! As you know, "the fish rots from the head!" , stricken with vices, but dominating the state structure of the country, nation ... controlling the territory, imposes its vices on the community as a whole ... contributes to their spread! I don’t know how to resist this! To resist, the people must have a pronounced moral will, a developed sense of self-preservation, healthy nationalism (a sense of national dignity)! Such qualities are not particularly noticeable now in Russia ... "the people have," and they "rejoice"!

      "normal" we have "scientists" ...
      On November 23, Russian President Vladimir Putin uttered a few phrases that seem to have launched reforms at the Russian Academy of Sciences.

      The head of state, addressing the head of the Russian Academy of Sciences, Vladimir Fortov, recalled that he had asked not to elect officials to the academy.

      And he asked two questions: why was it done again, and what should he, the president, do now?

      A couple of days later, officials from the Presidential Administration, the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the Ministry of Education, and other departments were dismissed. They were sent to develop basic science - since they are such great scientists.

      But, as it turned out, academician officials are just one of the problems hindering the reform of the Russian Academy of Sciences.

      The journalists conducted their own investigation and found out who is stubbornly pulling domestic science to the bottom.

      After the list of those dismissed, no one paid attention to other names, to a huge number of children and wives.

      For example, the new Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Sciences Mikhail Davydov, born in 1985, is the son of Academician Davydov, who heads the Russian Cancer Research Center.

      Academician Leila is the wife of Academician Baranov. Musa Khaitov, now also a corresponding member, also got the post of director of the Institute of Immunology from the academician's father.

      Philip Paleev is the son of Academician Paleev and is already the director of MONIKI.

      Vera Mysina several years ago headed the Council of Young Scientists of the Russian Academy of Sciences, she knows what is happening at the academy firsthand.

      "The institute is its own fiefdom ... They have gotten used to it, they have become so accustomed to the idea that this is their fiefdom.

      And another thought arises, as in a feudal society. The idea of ​​transferring this institution to their relatives.

      A child is taken - one, two and even three. And they are made consistently by Corresponding Members and Academicians.

      For them, scientific works are created in the same institute, laboratories work on them, "says Vera Mysina.

      At the Institute of Gene Biology, for example, the whole Georgiev family is working - academician father Georgiy Georgiev, academician son Pavel Georgiev, daughter Sophia this year became a corresponding member.

      The journalists studied the economic activities of the institute a little and found out that some companies associated with Georgiev sell tens of millions of goods and services to his own scientific institute.

      So it turns out that scientific activity has become a rather profitable business.

      And this is only a small part, the tip of the iceberg, only with a cursory analysis, we counted 22 surnames of academicians, apparently elected on the basis of a kindred feudal basis.
    2. ohka_new
      ohka_new 16 December 2021 10: 29
      +1
      I think, first of all, the people should get rid of the feeling of fear ... Throughout the history of the USSR-RF, fear (horror stories) has become the main state internal policy, a way to control and subjugate the population. In different years it was fear of reprisals, fear of hunger, fear of war, fear of losing one's job, “fear of the Maidan,” fear “it wouldn’t be worse,” and so on. Even the police (police) and that turned into a horror story - naughty children were frightened by the "uncle policeman".
      1. Nikolaevich I
        Nikolaevich I 16 December 2021 11: 25
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        Quote: ohka_new
        first of all, the people must get rid of the feeling of fear.

        But how? For how many years people have been urged to "get rid of fear" ... but they do not "get rid"! Once, in children's games, "they tore the shirt on their chest" and shouted: "Shoot! You can't shoot everyone!" But the "children" have grown up ... matured ... and, for some reason, do not want to be guided by the previous calls! Now a lot of people are likening to a little dog who, out of fear, huddled into the far corner of the booth and is ready to die of hunger, but not rush to the offender in the "last battle", in an attempt to gnaw him and, one way or another, find freedom ...!
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  7. Xlor
    Xlor 15 December 2021 10: 58
    +2
    parallels between the state of modern society and society during the decline of the Roman Empire

    1. For rich and strong states, there are no longer such strong enemies
    2. Society got rich and "fat" (Western society)
    3. The spirit of passionarity has disappeared (ibid., In Western society)
    4. Mercenary armies begin to appear
    5. Savage and starving barbarians on the borders of the empire
    6. Representatives of the Third World are already sitting in the parliaments and governments of the EU countries
    7. ..........
    The similarities of Fading Rome and the so-called. civilized countries - there is
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  9. Hindu
    Hindu 15 December 2021 11: 09
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    Quote: rocket757
    The expert drew parallels between the state of modern society and society during the decline of the Roman Empire
    ... Russia does not stand out against the GENERAL BACKGROUND in anything significant.
    Everyone has problems, to one degree or another .... with social justice, there is no big difference among states, i.e. nowhere is it, especially, if you dig more carefully.
    Everyone is used to living in an atmosphere of continuous compromise.
    It is clear that it does not bother us that we have risen in terms of the welfare of the working people higher, there is where it strives ... but this itself does not happen, not in this coordinate system.


    With a "common background" you are now advocating for one high-ranking official who is used to shrug his shoulders - "and what have I got to do with it?" , "All over the world now", "just be understanding" ...
    If everything is so easy to blame on global trends and realities, then what is the country's leadership, national executive and legislative bodies doing, if everything still flows and obeys the “general background”? In other words, if everything “global” is somehow not very good, then what are they doing to make the country less dependent on it? Just don't talk about crafty import substitution.
  10. Count Zamazkin
    Count Zamazkin 15 December 2021 12: 57
    +2
    The period of decline of the Roman Empire was several centuries, and Roman society itself changed accordingly. It is absurd to compare with the current situation of the so-called society, with the Roman one.
    1. engineer74
      engineer74 15 December 2021 17: 13
      +1
      I will add: the main existence of the Roman Empire was constant expansion, and the main "production unit" was the infantry legion. In Russia, everything is exactly the opposite - life was getting better when the country was engaged in internal problems and did not get involved in geopolitical adventures, especially strangers! wink
      Analogies with Rome - "an owl on the globe"!
      IMHO hi
      1. Count Zamazkin
        Count Zamazkin 15 December 2021 18: 07
        +1
        Yes, I agree with you, it’s not clear here, but what does the Roman Empire have to do with it, and no one knows what the decline of this empire is, if only they disintegrated for centuries, and what does it mean - sunset, what century or centuries?
  11. nikvic46
    nikvic46 15 December 2021 17: 38
    0
    Of course it can be compared to the Roman Empire. But the trouble is that we are in captivity of other people's laws, which are called their own. It also sounds in the Roman Empire that all laws are not subject to criticism. "We do not have to prove anything. But if you criticize us, we will demand proof." Just as in Rome, the cult of power is placed above all. We've already heard this somewhere.
  12. ivan2022
    ivan2022 15 December 2021 18: 03
    0
    The disunity of our society has grown since the 90s. In the USSR, of course, people were not united by ideology (in fact, Russians were never ardent Christians or communists, although there was general "approval" under any government).
    1. People were united by work in large enterprises owned by the state. If we did something together and it works, it unites! But since the 90s THIS is gone. No one in their right mind will rejoice at the success of the owner who crushes you.
    2. Let us recall from the text of the military oath of the Soviet era: "... if I break this oath, let it befall me ... the general anger and contempt of the workers" ... In the early 90s, millions violated and betrayed everything, that only could be betrayed ... And a Miracle happened! People are really comprehended by the contempt of each other, for their own sin can be justified, while the other appears "in all its glory" .... Unity can be only when the conscience is really clear.
    Conclusion; Russians are no longer united by anything except language.
    1. Count Zamazkin
      Count Zamazkin 15 December 2021 19: 08
      0
      In my opinion, the beginning of the 90s was not a betrayal of any oaths, this is about the same as looking for current problems in Roman society before our era. In the early 90s, something happened that should have happened, it is simply naive to talk about any clear conscience.
  13. Non-fighter
    Non-fighter 15 December 2021 20: 04
    0
    small business, which in countries with market economies acts as an economic foundation

    What is it like???
    For me, small business is hairdressing, cafes, restaurants, etc., in general, small businesses aimed at improving our life, increasing comfort. And they only exist because the people have surpluses. Let's assume that most people are normal, and when they have a choice to buy a kilo of sweets for their child or sit in a cafe, then the choice is obvious.
  14. stankow
    stankow 16 December 2021 02: 05
    0
    I beg you. In all countries, in any economy, the basis is * large * business. Small - that's right, a hidden form of unemployment.