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Borisov: Russian drones outperform Turkish Bayraktar

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Russian attack drones are not inferior to foreign-made unmanned aerial vehicles, including the Turkish Bayraktar UAV. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov.


Answering the question about the prospects of Russian drones on the world market, Borisov explained that currently there is a demand for Russian drones, Russia has every chance to occupy some part of the world UAV market. According to him, Russian attack drones are technically in no way inferior, and in some aspects even superior to foreign counterparts, including the Turkish Bayraktar. Thus, he answered the question about possible competition with Turkish UAVs.

Russian developments are not only not inferior, but also surpass the technical characteristics of the unmanned complex you designate

- leads RBC words of Borisov.

The Deputy Prime Minister expressed regret that Russia was a little late with its developments, offering its models on the world market a bit late, where the Americans, Israelis and Chinese have already taken a firm foothold, over the past five to six years having squeezed the market for themselves. However, Russia also has chances to take a part of the market with its own drones.

Currently, Russia is actively promoting its products. As recent presentations have shown during international military exhibitions held in various countries, many foreign buyers are expressing deep interest in Russian drones, the first contracts have been signed for the supply of not only reconnaissance, but also strike UAVs.
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  1. APASUS
    APASUS 14 December 2021 12: 03
    +32
    As recent presentations have shown during international military exhibitions held in various countries, many foreign buyers are expressing deep interest in Russian drones,

    It is necessary not to make presentations at exhibitions, but to play videos from Syria. This will be the best advertising ploy. Better yet, show a contract with our Ministry of Defense, so there are 20-300 cars, this will be an advertisement.
    1. Alexfly
      Alexfly 14 December 2021 12: 06
      +10
      I agree 100%, it is also desirable to make the engines ourselves (TVD)
      1. lucul
        lucul 14 December 2021 12: 37
        +11
        "it is also desirable to make the engines (TVD) ourselves"

        It is impossible to be an advanced country without a full line of internal combustion engines, jet engines and others.
        And in Russia - while the full line is only on rocket engines, it is necessary to tighten other lines as well.
        It is impossible to create new technology without motors. It is the motor that determines the capabilities of the design.
        1. Stas157
          Stas157 14 December 2021 12: 41
          +12
          Borisov: Russian drones outperform Turkish Bayraktar

          When the same line of buyers line up for Russian drones, then there will be no need to shout about it.
          1. Cosm22
            Cosm22 14 December 2021 12: 47
            +10
            Right.
            And in general, comrade Borisov somehow modestly advertises the goods.
            And where is the standard Russian "who have no analogs in the world"?
            1. spirit
              spirit 14 December 2021 13: 21
              +2
              And where is the standard Russian "who have no analogs in the world"?

              Well, this is not hypersound that everyone is flaunting, and we and China and the United States, everyone has no analogues, but no one specifically saw anything laughing
              And here the goods must be shown with their face, so Borisov was modest repeat
              1. Letun
                Letun 14 December 2021 13: 30
                0
                Quote: spirit
                Well, this is not hypersound that everyone is flaunting, and we and China and the United States, everyone has no analogues, but no one specifically saw anything

                Stealth technology and hypersonic speed prevent this miracle weapon from being seen. But it is! wassat
          2. Letun
            Letun 14 December 2021 13: 28
            +1
            Quote: Stas157
            Borisov: Russian drones outperform Turkish Bayraktar

            When the same line of buyers line up for Russian drones, then there will be no need to shout about it.

            Yes, this comrade is suspiciously similar in habits to Rogozin. In my humble opinion, they changed the awl for soap ...
        2. Barge_watchman
          Barge_watchman 14 December 2021 12: 48
          -1
          Scratch-claw?
        3. Reserve buildbat
          Reserve buildbat 18 December 2021 18: 21
          0
          That is, we do not have a full line of jet engines? Do all our military aircraft fly on imported ones? laughing
      2. riddik70
        riddik70 14 December 2021 13: 26
        +2
        It is known that "Altius" was built with extensive use of composite structural materials. The power plant of the apparatus is represented by two turboprop engines located on the wing consoles, the engines set in motion two pulling propellers. Apparently, we are talking about the VK-800S engines developed at the Klimov Design Bureau. This engine is designed for installation on light airplanes and helicopters (VK-800V version) and produces a take-off power of 800 hp. The approximate wingspan of the drone is up to 30 meters, the length is about 12 meters, the take-off weight is more than six tons.
        1. Barge_watchman
          Barge_watchman 14 December 2021 13: 36
          -5
          Who makes the engine?
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 14 December 2021 18: 24
            0
            Quote: Barge_watchman
            Who makes the engine?

            Quote: riddik70
            KB named after Klimov.

            The Klimov plant is in St. Petersburg.
            1. Barge_watchman
              Barge_watchman 14 December 2021 18: 25
              0
              Sorry, but KaBe, this is a design bureau. Developer - so in the article.
              I don’t know something?
              1. Sanichsan
                Sanichsan 14 December 2021 18: 29
                +4
                Quote: Barge_watchman
                Sorry, but KaBe, this is a design bureau. Developer - so in the article.
                I don’t know something?

                looks like yes. possibly gaps in logic ... request
                KB Klimov is a subdivision of the Klimov Plant. do you still have problems that the engine developed by the design bureau of the plant is produced at the factory? wassat
                1. Barge_watchman
                  Barge_watchman 14 December 2021 18: 34
                  0
                  Thank you, I already found it. Indeed, the plant.
                2. businessv
                  businessv 15 December 2021 15: 16
                  +1
                  Quote: SanichSan
                  do you still have problems that the engine developed by the design bureau of the plant is produced at the factory?
                  Strongly said! Cognitive dissonance, however! smile
                  1. Barge_watchman
                    Barge_watchman 15 December 2021 17: 23
                    -2
                    Read WHERE the engine is made, and it will work for you.
          2. riddik70
            riddik70 16 December 2021 12: 13
            0
            https://bizorg.su/dvigateli-aviatsionnye-r/p2108584-dvigately-turbovalynyy-vk800v-dvigately-turbovalynyy
        2. Alexfly
          Alexfly 15 December 2021 14: 08
          +3
          And what, is VK-800V already in the series? Is it produced? By whom? What kind of flying devices should they be installed on? Or is it also under the bar ???
      3. Barberry25
        Barberry25 15 December 2021 12: 55
        0
        because it took so much time to do and adapt it ... so there are licensed engines
  2. The leader of the Redskins
    The leader of the Redskins 14 December 2021 12: 04
    +9
    Let's, for starters, still occupy our niche, and then we will draw conclusions, which is better, which is worse ...
    The advantages of the bayraktar are extensive combat experience. So far, we have only - the words of Borisov.
    1. lucul
      lucul 14 December 2021 12: 40
      -4
      "The advantages of the bayraktar are extensive combat experience. So far we have only - the words of Borisov."


      Have you forgotten videos from Syria, where according to target designation from Orions they destroy the infrastructure of the Barmaley?
      1. Barge_watchman
        Barge_watchman 14 December 2021 13: 00
        +1
        Infrastructure covered by air defense? Or, just a donkey in the desert?
        1. lucul
          lucul 14 December 2021 13: 31
          -5
          "Infrastructure covered by air defense? Or just a donkey in the desert?"

          What types of enemy air defense do you know? For example Western?
      2. aslan balayev
        aslan balayev 14 December 2021 19: 53
        -2
        Quote: lucul
        "The advantages of the bayraktar are extensive combat experience. So far we have only - the words of Borisov."


        Have you forgotten videos from Syria, where according to target designation from Orions they destroy the infrastructure of the Barmaley?

        The public wants to see how the American marines, leaving the tanks in horror, are hiding in ditches and so that the Abramssev towers fly after. Desirable more, further, higher. fellow I think so (s)
  3. faiver
    faiver 14 December 2021 12: 05
    +7
    Borisov explained that currently there is a demand for Russian drones.
    - this is in the sense of the poor, who will buy them for our own loan and never give it back?
    1. Grognag
      Grognag 15 December 2021 18: 39
      0
      Borisov says that our UAV is superior in price to Bayraktar
  4. DominickS
    DominickS 14 December 2021 12: 05
    +9
    To begin with, let them destroy a dozen or two real targets, in combat conditions, while countering electronic warfare and air defense. Then it will already be possible to talk about something. Boasting is not only useless but also harmful.
    1. Flooding
      Flooding 14 December 2021 12: 39
      +4
      Quote: DominickS
      To begin with, let them destroy a dozen or two real targets, in combat conditions, while countering electronic warfare and air defense

      how do you then explain the export success of Chinese UAVs?
    2. lucul
      lucul 14 December 2021 12: 44
      -7
      "To begin with, let them destroy a dozen or two real targets in combat conditions."

      Have you watched videos from Syria?
      1. Cosm22
        Cosm22 14 December 2021 12: 52
        +9
        Yes, we remember a lot of videos from Syria.
        In particular, the one that the President of the Russian Federation showed Oliver Stone.
    3. businessv
      businessv 15 December 2021 18: 32
      0
      Quote: DominickS
      To begin with, let them destroy a dozen or two real targets, in combat conditions, while countering electronic warfare and air defense.

      Let's be fair to the end. Where was Bayraktar used in such conditions? Until now, only where there was no air defense or electronic warfare!
    4. Reserve buildbat
      Reserve buildbat 18 December 2021 18: 24
      0
      Did the Bayraktars destroy many targets in such conditions? In the sense of "countering electronic warfare and air defense."?
  5. fruc
    fruc 14 December 2021 12: 06
    +3
    ……

    Hmmmm. Nothing to add, too mildly said. And so in everything (except maybe the atom.industry)
  6. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 14 December 2021 12: 07
    +5
    How about strike drones?
    Does Russia have a really working sample that has gone through all the stages from design to production from domestic components?
    1. KCA
      KCA 14 December 2021 13: 51
      0
      Completely from domestic components in the world, no one collects anything, at least one shock UAV is Orion, it was tested in Syria, in Dubna, the Kronstadt plant is building at an accelerated pace, and taking into account that Kronstadt also owns the DMZ plant, it will be used to make electronics for the UAV, work has already begun
  7. Roman1970_1
    Roman1970_1 14 December 2021 12: 09
    +1
    Russian attack drones are not inferior to foreign-made unmanned aerial vehicles, including the Turkish Bayraktar UAV. This was stated by Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov.


    Does he understand UAVs?
    Okay, another specialist will speak out, but a politician?
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 14 December 2021 12: 19
      +1
      Quote: Roman1970_1
      Does he understand UAVs?

      Probably he understands to such an extent that he undertook to compare it with Bayraktar. Here you will wonder whether the truth understands or whether a competitor is able to choose.
      1. lucul
        lucul 14 December 2021 13: 41
        -3
        "Probably he understands to such an extent that he undertook to compare with Bayraktar."

        What's wrong? Orion is Bayraktar's direct competitor.
    2. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 14 December 2021 15: 52
      0
      He is a retired soldier. In the army from 1978 to 1997. was the deputy minister of defense.
  8. aszzz888
    aszzz888 14 December 2021 12: 14
    +7
    The Deputy Prime Minister expressed regret that Russia was a little late with its developments, offering its models on the world market a bit late, where the Americans, Israelis and Chinese have already taken a firm foothold, over the past five to six years having squeezed the market for themselves.
    Yes it's true. We were pushed out of the market because "while the horses were being harnessed, the others galloped over us." Unfortunately.
    1. Barge_watchman
      Barge_watchman 14 December 2021 13: 04
      0
      to push someone out of the market, you need the presence on the market of the pushed out.
      Didn't they let you in? no not like this . They just occupied the entire market. And he is not dimensionless.
  9. kventinasd
    kventinasd 14 December 2021 12: 15
    +1
    Borisov: Russian drones are superior to Turkish Bayraktar.
    According to him, Russian attack drones are technically in no way inferior, and in some aspects even superior to foreign counterparts, including the Turkish Bayraktar. Thus, he answered the question about possible competition with Turkish UAVs.

    Chatting is not tossing bags. It looks like this general has a clear Rogozin syndrome.
    So far, the Turks are somehow better at promoting their drones, thanks to repeated tests in combat conditions, and ours either forgot to fasten the video cameras, or had grenades of the wrong system. In the meantime, there is only a photo of the Orions falling in the countryside.
    1. Barberry25
      Barberry25 15 December 2021 12: 57
      -1
      photos of falling orions, and how many of them fell there, remind?
  10. rocket757
    rocket757 14 December 2021 12: 18
    -1
    Borisov: Russian drones outperform Turkish Bayraktar
    ... He said and ... it will be interesting to see.
  11. Kesha1980
    Kesha1980 14 December 2021 12: 29
    0
    .Russia has everything the odds occupy some part of the world UAV market

    Do not add, do not correct - everything is very logical and true.
  12. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 14 December 2021 12: 34
    -2
    The production is finished, it remains only to finish building the plant.
  13. Barge_watchman
    Barge_watchman 14 December 2021 12: 46
    +7
    It is a pity that Mr. Borisov did not indicate in what technical parameters the Russian drone is superior to Turkish crafts.
    1. Bolo
      Bolo 14 December 2021 13: 30
      +2
      Uselessness, handgun and saw cut!
      1. Barge_watchman
        Barge_watchman 14 December 2021 13: 31
        -2
        These are psychological parameters.
        I, on the technical. laughing
    2. lucul
      lucul 14 December 2021 13: 34
      -1
      "It is a pity that Mr. Borisov did not indicate in what technical parameters the Russian drone is superior to Turkish crafts."


      Have you been banned from Google? Orion surpasses Bayraktar in several respects.
  14. Petrik66
    Petrik66 14 December 2021 12: 47
    -3
    Everything is bad, everything is lost, except for the corn-growers we have nothing. All our commanders lie, we are lagging behind for the rest of our lives, since we are a country with a gas station and a top volta with missiles, and they are rusty. Our population has become impoverished and is dying out, drinking vodka and moonshine. There are palaces and corruption everywhere. Power is maintained at the expense of police arbitrariness, all young people dream of getting rid of them. What else would you add? After all, the topic is about drones ?! We must already develop a standard cliché for participating in discussions on any issue. At one time, Ostap Bender developed a whole system:
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    1. Bolo
      Bolo 14 December 2021 13: 28
      0
      No, well, that's how everything is written correctly in the first part!
    2. ALARI
      ALARI 14 December 2021 13: 53
      -4
      Well done, and after all, they have never lied, everything is correct, everything is on the case, everything is according to us.
  15. Al_lexx
    Al_lexx 14 December 2021 12: 57
    -5
    The main advantage of Turkish drones is their price. In addition, there is every reason that for some of their partners, the Turks release them at cost, in the context of their sultan's global dreams of the Great Port. Hence their popularity in certain countries.
    As for the technical characteristics, I do not see anything in Turkish UAVs that would somehow distinguish them from the general background. With a sufficient infusion of money and control over its use, we have no problem working at the level of the Americans (and the PRC, of ​​course) and certainly at a higher level than the same Turks or Jews. The key word here is the presence of its own space constellation of global positioning satellites and some command post appendages to it (again in space). Who are the Turks in space? Nobody. Everything else can be solved quite simply.
    Our only weakness is the lack of sufficiently compact engines (not fatal, but there is such a thing). But the same Turks make their engines either under license, or simply buy.
    1. lucul
      lucul 14 December 2021 13: 36
      -5
      "The main advantage of Turkish drones is their price."

      In the sense of the outrageous, yes. Remembered for 6 pcs. Bayraktarov requested $ 70 million.
      1. Alexandr bogun
        Alexandr bogun 15 December 2021 06: 50
        +2
        If you had studied the material more carefully, you would have known that contracts for the same equipment can be radically different depending on the countries and conditions on which they are sold. That contract for 6 Bayraktar was not only for the aircraft themselves, for 2 control stations, an unknown number of stationary antennas to increase their range of use, a whole batch of weapons for them (it is not known how much and what) and training of personnel in control and maintenance (unknown number of people past). After that, these UAVs are transported to that country like pies every couple of months, and given that we are talking about the poorest country in Europe, they would not be able to afford to become the second largest exploiter of these UAVs after Turkey itself, for that kind of money per unit as you wrote ... Here on the forum, at the beginning of the year, one person who clearly understands the UAV described the assembly price of this Bayraktar based on the equipment installed on it, and he deduces the price closer to $ 4,5 million for 1 aircraft, and for "country 404" it is clearly more than 5 millions already at the moment are not going, due to the fact that they are the main buyer, and taking into account the fact that they will also have a plant for these TV-2s, they will rivet them almost at cost. Now let's think if this is a lot of $ 5 million for a UAV that, in addition to strike functions, is based on reconnaissance with the world's best Canadian optics and, for example, the same SU-25 SM3 costs almost $ 6 million. And this is not the construction of a new one, but an upgrade from the SU -25 to the level of SU-25 SM3. It is clear that Sushka carries several times more weapons than that Bayraktar, but Bayraktar has the main advantages of all UAVs:
        1) The pilot is not lost in case of failure (and this is not one year of active training)
        2) Much better reconnaissance capabilities, due to the fact that virtually every UAV of this class is initially developed for reconnaissance and correction functions
        3) The cheapness of an hour of flight and operation
        4) Stealth (due to a turboprop, not a jet engine)
        5) The ability to constantly be in the air, unlike any aircraft. (the pilot does not need to land the aircraft to transfer control)
        The SU25SM3 has its advantages, but this is mainly limited by the range of use of the aircraft itself and the number of missile and bomb armament. That is why it is so indiscriminate to say that with these Bayraktar there is an unrealistic price of almost 10 million dollars apiece, I would not. And if you adequately look without bias and understand that in real life the price is plus or minus 5 - 5,5 million eternally green apiece and understand their real advantages, as well as opportunities. That is not much for a modern type of weaponry, which is quite effective against armored vehicles and excellent for all sorts of patrol and reconnaissance and correction tasks. After all, if we recall that one T-72B3 costs about 70 rubles, this is about a little less than 000 million dollars, and the same BTR-000A is about 1 rubles or 82 dollars. Bottom line, for self-sufficiency without a threat to the pilot, it is enough to destroy a couple of tanks and infantry fighting vehicles.
        1. Vasyan1971
          Vasyan1971 15 December 2021 18: 56
          0
          Рњ-РґСЏ ...
          "Brevity is the sister of talent" ©
          Quote: Alexandr Bogun
          No, have not heard

          wassat
          1. Alexandr bogun
            Alexandr bogun 16 December 2021 03: 28
            -1
            I state my point of view and it is better to write in one comment at once than to stretch a dozen comments for 5 days. Don't like it, don't read it.
            1. Vasyan1971
              Vasyan1971 16 December 2021 05: 09
              -1
              Quote: Alexandr Bogun
              Don't like it, don't read it.

              I don’t read. It would be a hunt to wade through this blizzard. wassat
              Quote: Alexandr Bogun
              I state my point of view

              Have right. But too boring.
              Quote: Alexandr Bogun
              it is better to write right away with one comment

              Try in one sentence at all while maintaining your usual volume. You will succeed, I believe in you! wassat
              Quote: Alexandr Bogun
              than the same thing to stretch a dozen comments for 5 days.

              For such sites, movement is important.fellow
              By the way, do you know the First Rule of Commentators?
              1. Alexandr bogun
                Alexandr bogun 18 December 2021 00: 56
                0
                Hey buddy, are you confused ...
                I don’t read. It would be a hunt to wade through this blizzard.
                and right there in the next sentence you say
                Have right. But too boring.
                How do you know what's boring there if you haven't read?) laughing

                For such sites, movement is important.
                By the way, do you know the First Rule of Commentators?

                I know the rules of the TopVar forum and this is enough for me, if a person is smart, then he draws a conclusion from what he read. And if a person is not distant, then he simply reacts to the very fact of having a different opinion, without thinking about what he has read. You are a special fruit, you reply to comments from those you don't even read fool You are probably afraid that the 5G tower will blow off your tinfoil hat))) Do not write to me anymore, you only take time.
                1. Vasyan1971
                  Vasyan1971 18 December 2021 10: 10
                  0
                  Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                  Hey buddy, are you confused ...

                  You are confused. Either I am a "native", and then I am a "friend". wassat Don't mention the "form of speech". No.
                  Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                  How do you know what's boring there if you haven't read?

                  Appreciated the volume and your corresponding potu'gi.
                  Quote: Alexandr Boqun
                  that's enough for me

                  lol
                  Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                  And if a person is not distant, then he simply reacts to the very fact of having a different opinion, without thinking about what he has read.

                  I have not read it, but I do not approve. © tongue
                  Quote: Vasyan1971
                  It would be a hunt to wade through this blizzard.

                  It is not the fact of having a "different opinion" that plays a role, you have the right to have itlol, and the accompanying unbearable boringness.
                  Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                  You are a special fruit

                  Thank you for being "special" and for not being a "vegetable". wassat
                  Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                  Probably afraid that the 5G tower will blow your foil hat off

                  Does it work next to your house already? Do you have painful problems with this and you nailed your hat with a nail in order to avoid? good
                  Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                  Don't write to me anymore, you just take up time.

                  Yes, right now! The site is open, I have the right! fool With the same success I can ask you not to take other people's time and not write here. wink
                  About the "First Rule". Since you still don’t know, I’ll share the ancient wisdom: “Do not consider yourself the smartest, everyone here is like that.” © Use it. And then you pose as a mixture of Cassandra V. with Laocoon B. wassat
                  1. Alexandr bogun
                    Alexandr bogun 19 December 2021 02: 36
                    0
                    You are confused. Either I am a "native", and then I am a "friend". wassat Don't mention the "form of speech".
                    you answered yourself in my words, this is a form of speech)
                    Appreciated the volume and your corresponding potu'gi.
                    That is, you initially assess any information more than a couple of sentences as boring, bad, incorrect and delusional?)))
                    I have not read it, but I do not approve. ©
                    It says sooo much about you and your intellect)))
                    Here it is not the fact of having a "different opinion" that plays a role, you have the right to have it lol, but the accompanying intolerable boringness.
                    boring is a characteristic of what is said or written, in order to draw a conclusion about whether the text is boring or not, in any case you need to read it. Otherwise, it turns out that you, not knowing the essence of what is written, draw some conclusions, and this means that you are not burdened with intellect more than the animal that you have on your avatar.
                    Yes, right now! The site is open, I have the right! fool With the same success I can ask you not to take other people's time and not write here. wink
                    About the "First Rule". Since you still don’t know, I’ll share the ancient wisdom: “Do not consider yourself the smartest, everyone here is like that.” © Use it. And then you pose as a mixture of Cassandra V. with Laocoon B.
                    And what does the chat have to do with you, you still "DO NOT READ" my messages, what difference does it make to you then, messages for those who read them and agree or, on the contrary, contradict them. You, from your words, only look at the volume of messages, so do not compare me to yourself.)))
                    1. Vasyan1971
                      Vasyan1971 19 December 2021 02: 58
                      0
                      Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                      That is, you initially assess any information more than a couple of sentences as boring, bad, incorrect and delusional?)))

                      Why any? Specifically in your performance. lol
                      Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                      you answered yourself in my words, this is a form of speech)

                      I knew that was exactly what you would say. wassat
                      Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                      boring is a characteristic of what is said or written, in order to draw a conclusion about whether the text is boring or not, in any case you need to read it.
                      and hereinafter ...
                      This is what I meant when I mentioned your boringness as opposed to "brevity is the sister of talent." ALL your performances sin this. request
                      Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                      And what has to do with the chat ...

                      The results of your "creativity" are visible, I hope you too. lol Plus, I knew that you would enjoy being with me. And then you go:
                      Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                      Don't write to me anymore, you just take up time.

                      I just drew your attention to

                      You do not need to speak here, but under the heading "Opinions". There you will find a grateful audience. And specifically here people go to hang out, mock, postebatsya, and not delve into your sheets. stop So my idea became clearer?
                      Quote: Alexandr Bogun
                      so don't compare me to yourself.

                      I didn't even intend to! The comparison will still not be in your favor. tongue
  16. Jacket in stock
    Jacket in stock 14 December 2021 13: 09
    +6
    It reminded me of the numerous "iPhone killers" that no one can remember now.
    Unfortunately marketing is our bottom line.
    Ever since Soviet times, the opinion is alive that it is enough to do a good thing, and those who wish will come running.
    Although we have been living under capitalism for 30 years, and the simplest market rule has not been learned yet - no matter what the product is, it is important how you sniff it.

    And if you also mention a competitor every time .... it's just right to charge an ad commission.
  17. huntsman650
    huntsman650 14 December 2021 13: 20
    +3
    Elementary if you compare the image quality with ours and Turkish ones))). The conclusions are obvious))). Again spectacle!
    1. lucul
      lucul 14 December 2021 13: 38
      -7
      "It's elementary, if you compare the image quality with ours and Turkish ones))). The conclusions are obvious))). Again fraud!

      This was the case when the Turks used foreign cameras, and now they were forbidden to supply them. So now only with our own, with Turkish)))
    2. Dali
      Dali 15 December 2021 15: 41
      -1
      Quote: huntsman650
      Again spectacle!

      Well, with such iterations))) won't we achieve really good quality?
      shl
      Although it is possible the post of a messenger)))
  18. Bolo
    Bolo 14 December 2021 13: 25
    +1
    Nonsense, nonsense, and a pitiful excuse! To the Turks, and even more so to the Jews and the Americans, as if to the moon !!!
    1. lucul
      lucul 14 December 2021 13: 39
      0
      "Nonsense, nonsense, and a pitiful excuse! To the Turks, and even more so to the Jews and the Americans like to the moon !!!"

      You are just behind the times)))
      1. Bolo
        Bolo 14 December 2021 14: 28
        -4
        It's Borisov with you behind the times!
        1. lucul
          lucul 14 December 2021 14: 42
          -4
          "It is Borisov with you behind the times!"

          Google Russian UAV Orion)))))
          1. 2 Level Advisor
            2 Level Advisor 14 December 2021 19: 00
            +4
            Well, we roughly caught up with the MQ-1 (in operation since 2005), starting to operate Orion in 2018-19 and this is already good .. and your competitors have been picking their noses for 10 years? yes, they have already removed the MQ-1 from service in 2018 .. here are the flying hats in the topic, but as for the UAV, well, that's not a nodding topic for us at all .. although you probably don't care ..
            1. lucul
              lucul 14 December 2021 19: 37
              -3
              "And your competitors have been picking their noses for 10 years? Yes, they have already taken the MQ-1 out of service in 2018."

              Take it off, and replace it with what, in this weight? Yes, nothing.
              Replaced with the MQ-9A Reaper, and this is suddenly 4760 kg versus 1100 kg for the MQ-1B.
              1. 2 Level Advisor
                2 Level Advisor 15 December 2021 11: 11
                +2
                yes .. everything is so .. and what is the reason? maybe it is that it is MODULAR that is. the next generation of UAVs and a cut above in capabilities? Do you really think that minke whales are stupid people? who will remove the UAV needed by the army - without thinking about replacing its functionality? yourself is not funny? but purely for intelligence, they have RQ-7 for example ..
          2. Bolo
            Bolo 14 December 2021 21: 44
            +1
            In addition to the fact that this is a licensed copy from the Jews, I did not find anything ...
  19. ALARI
    ALARI 14 December 2021 13: 59
    +1
    Why make a super duper non-knockdown invisible drone? At the same price it will be like a fighter. They should be cheap and simple, they are consumables of war.
  20. mlad
    mlad 14 December 2021 14: 18
    +2
    For better or worse, there are few facts yet. There is only one thing for sure, the Turks have put it on stream and can really buy it right away, but our plant is just being built.
  21. eckons
    eckons 14 December 2021 14: 59
    0
    I don't doubt for a second that technically our Orions are not worse, but rather even better than Bayraktars. In a way, bayraktar is just a phenomenon, and not as a technical solution, but as a business product.
    In principle, he could not appear with us for many reasons. In order:. Firstly. The Turks were not limited by the requirement to make components of national production. Thanks to this, the bayraktar is assembled on the basis of ready-made, worked out and well-proven units and devices from all over the world. This allowed us to save money on R&D and a lot of time for development, implementation, testing, and as a result, a lot of saved money. This approach is not possible with us.
    Secondly. At the moment, his main and, in general, the only weapon is bombs with a laser guidance system. As far as I remember created on the basis of ATM. Those. ATGM without engine. The solution is simple and cheap. But LGSN is very sensitive to weather conditions. Rain, snow, fog, etc., make the use of such weapons impossible. I can’t imagine our general who would have given the go-ahead for the purchase of weapons which, under our conditions, cannot be used for half a year. But at the VD theater, the Middle East, North Africa and similar bayraktar are quite effective.
    Third. The dimensions of the bayraktar and its TTK are such that the use of air defense systems against it is either ineffective or not rational. Those. shooters and MANPADS are not available, and the use of Bukov, Torov is expensive and not always available.
    And finally. The rapid implementation and promotion on the market was not a little contributed by what we call corruption. Or rather nepotism. The manufacturing company belongs to the family of Erdogan's son-in-law.
    In such an amazing way, a product with so many flaws has become an absolute hit.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 14 December 2021 19: 11
      0
      and in your opinion only our components are in our UAVs? laughing well, well .. and as for the promotion of Orion - that's how his AFK System moves .. in general, he is never a small player with huge connections .. by the way, the company "Kronstadt" (the inventor of Orion) was rather vividly torn apart as soon as the state order for the UAV appeared .. already does not exist .. so to invent new ones - "Kronstadt" is no longer there ..
      1. eckons
        eckons 15 December 2021 09: 10
        +1
        "Do you think that our UAVs contain only our components?" Probably, not. But surely they are not such a Frankenstein as Bayraktar.
        "this is how his AFK System moves .. generally never a small player" The player may not be small, but one of many, but Erdogan has only one son-in-law.
        "By the way, the company" Kronstadt "(the inventor of Orion) was quite vividly torn apart" How it was torn apart so that a plant is being built for them in Dubna. And most importantly, what does this have to do with the technical characteristics of the bayraktar?
        1. 2 Level Advisor
          2 Level Advisor 15 December 2021 10: 58
          0
          well, baykatar, yes .. like our SSJ or f-35 -solianka .. on the other hand, so what? he copes with the tasks .. well, one or two sons-in-law - I mean that the lobby here and there contributed to the commissioning ... And the Kronstadt company is a brand .. in fact, a word like that .. the Transas company was the creator of Orion before .. and it’s not so important as it’s called, what’s important is that Transas was an electronics manufacturer really recognized in the world, with world contracts and results .. and the brand (company) - Kronstadt, AFK Sistema - was bought as an appendix to the won government contract .. God forbid so that they could develop .. however, apart from Orion, which was invented during Transas, there is nothing special so far, except for projects .. By the way, it is strange that AFK Sistema got rid of the UAV by selling the company to the state, and invested in the rest of Transas technologies (Kronstadt Technologies ) ... who gets rid of the promising "goose that lays the golden eggs"? something is wrong here ... so Orion, that is ... but then the question is still .. while Orion is the world level of 2005 .. and Baykatar is also not far away .. but of course it's better than nothing. ... although the very fact that we are equal in arms with Turkey .. this is already sad ..
  22. senima56
    senima56 14 December 2021 15: 25
    +5
    Mr. Borisov forgot to add that our UAVs are, at best, in single copies! Or even at the testing stage (like the same "Hunter", which they promise to deliver to the Army already in 2024, maybe !!!!), or in projects! While for the same Bayraktar there was a queue!
  23. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 14 December 2021 17: 42
    +1
    It is quite possible to make clips from the SAR ... only in good quality (not like shooting from ATGMs from helicopters) ... day and night ...
  24. Alexandr bogun
    Alexandr bogun 15 December 2021 05: 40
    +3
    Why is that?
    Russian drones outperform Turkish Bayraktar
    Can't we create something just good, we definitely need a "contra". That never took off and not even assembled SU-75 is already better than the serial F-35. Any missile that has just entered testing is already labeled "the best in the world" or "unparalleled." Now, in the place of quietly creating a high-quality and modern percussion UAV, we will shout all around that he is the best, after which, as always, some incident will happen (which always happens with new and complex equipment) and this will become the main meme like the then crude "Armata on The parade "in the 16th year, or the SU-57 after the first flights and statements about its superiority over the F-22, and then we learned that the aircraft was of the 5th generation, and the 5th generation engine at that time was only at the stage of drawings and only now is the engine of the second stage "goes into series. Well, why should we shove sticks in our wheels for the future? Let the designers do their robot normally, let it run normally in a series, let it run in normally in combat, shoot material to confirm its combat effectiveness in all sorts of difficult situations. And only then release some loud statements. This is how we have always ... only yesterday they did not produce such equipment as large shock UAVs and immediately the first prototype and already better than the most massive and popular middle-class strike UAV on the market))) The key question: WHY ?!
  25. eckons
    eckons 15 December 2021 09: 33
    -1
    Quote: Alexandr Bogun
    Why is that?
    Russian drones outperform Turkish Bayraktar

    What's wrong? It's never a problem to create a drone with better characteristics than that of a bayraktar. Why should we blow the trumpet about it? So this is primarily a product. It needs to be sold, and for this you need to advertise, promote. Over there, Musk's rockets exploded at the start, and he broadcast it all directly, and said that they had become one step closer to success. Yes, it is not difficult to find videos with tests of the same bayraktars on the network. Yes, I do not know of a single manufacturer who would begin to advertise their goods only after gaining some operating experience, running in, etc. Why do you demand this from our manufacturers?
  26. eckons
    eckons 15 December 2021 09: 38
    -1
    Quote: Alexandr Bogun
    Can't we create something just good, we definitely need a "contra"

    Because the arms market is limited. And you can get a part of it only by taking it from someone else, by convincing the buyer that your product is better than the product of your competitor. And if this is not done, then the designers will have nothing to calmly do their work.
  27. valeri111
    valeri111 15 December 2021 11: 12
    0
    The article is so-so. Like we overslept and now we run after the locomotive.
  28. eckons
    eckons 15 December 2021 12: 42
    0
    Quote: Level 2 Advisor
    although the very fact that we are equal in arms with Turkey .. this is already sad ..

    Why sad. Some very successful weapons can be created even for the most developed states. And the bayraktar really, thanks to such a combination of circumstances, turned out to be the most massive and publicized. By the way, deservedly so. For specific conditions, for little money, it copes with its tasks.