Military Review

"The ship loses invisibility": the West is discussing the appearance of rust on the hull of the "stealth" destroyer Zumwalt

101

The image is illustrative.



The American destroyer Zumwalt was supposed to be a breakthrough in the military-industrial complex of the United States. The huge funds that went into its development and construction are already constantly overstepping the financial limits allocated for its creation, which are reviewed at regular intervals.

Solving the problems associated with the lack of strike weapons and the inoperative energy system of the ship requires more and more investments. One more attack was added to them - the corrosion of the destroyer's hull.

As noted in the western edition of Altair, photos of the USS Zumwalt appeared on the Internet, on the body of which rust appeared.

According to analysts, rust means that the ship is losing invisibility, which affects its combat capabilities. This is another problem with this American defense product.

- discuss in the publication new troubles with the ship.

As explained, the rust covered even the elements of the superstructure, although it was previously stated that it is made from an anti-corrosion composite. American observers have already given him the nickname "rusty billionaire", alluding to the ship's nearly $ 4 billion price tag.

Once praised by the American military and observers, the Zumwalt type was supposed to become the basis of the strike surface fleet USA. As a result, the entire series was reduced to three units. The first destroyer, USS Zumwalt, is still in trials off the coast of California. The second USS Michael Mansoor is undergoing similar testing. The third ship, USS Lyndon B. Johnson, began sea trials this summer.

Author:
101 comment
Ad

Subscribe to our Telegram channel, regularly additional information about the special operation in Ukraine, a large amount of information, videos, something that does not fall on the site: https://t.me/topwar_official

Information
Dear reader, to leave comments on the publication, you must sign in.
  1. rocket757
    rocket757 13 December 2021 18: 42
    +11
    Was "invisible", will become rusty ... "evolution", however.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 13 December 2021 18: 47
      +17
      Quote: rocket757
      Was "invisible", will become rusty ... "evolution", however.

      The first one went! The second and third are on the way! ))) I wonder who was there to cheat the customer with "anti-corrosion composite"? )))
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 December 2021 18: 53
        +5
        Most likely there has developed one to the other ... the coverage is not so high quality and the service is not sufficient.
        1. Region-25.rus
          Region-25.rus 13 December 2021 20: 48
          +12
          schA of course hurray-patsreoty will shower me with slippers BUT! The coating of the sides is most likely yes. As stated! But the decks are probably ordinary - steel. And steel it rusts whatever one may say. And they are streaks of rust from the deck judging by the shape. I know personally what is rust on ships hi
          And it looks like the steel set just started to rust and rust seeped through the joints (she's so yes) out ...
          1. mister-red
            mister-red 13 December 2021 21: 08
            +4
            But the decks are probably ordinary - steel. And steel it rusts whatever one may say. And they are streaks of rust from the deck judging by the shape. I know personally what is rust on ships hi

            Don't they have any paint? I, too, kind of know the ships a little. They were a Marine on the BDK for 5 months in combat, when they returned there was no rust on the sides.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 13 December 2021 21: 11
              +5
              I, too, kind of know the ships a little. They were a Marine on the BDK for 5 months in combat, when they returned there was no rust on the sides.
              10 years in the fishing and merchant marine
              One of my steamers. Please pay attention to the spread of rust and compare -

              but how is their service delivered if they allowed it to such a state ... about that I do not know. And also rust can accumulate under paint or coating (it is not visible) and then, under the influence of temperature, it can swell and break through both the paint and the coating. As a result, "yesterday" the still clean steamer suddenly turns into a slob.
              Here's another illustration. Also my trawler. After sailing, I made two expeditions on it - 4 and 6 months. Well, he's completely made of steel! And during the fishing season there was no time for beauty. Only on the return passage did the sailors tint what they could reach))
              1. Shurik70
                Shurik70 13 December 2021 21: 51
                +5
                Quote: rocket757
                Was "invisible", will become rusty ... "evolution", however.

                Something I doubt that ever he was invisible.
                There is a significant difference between less visible and invisible.
                For modern systems, it is visible even without rust.
                The same satellites saw him perfectly, but for an anti-ship missile that to see the target from 20 km, or from 100 km - there is no difference in the result
                1. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 13 December 2021 21: 53
                  +2
                  Something I doubt that ever he was invisible.
                  do not confuse soft with thick. Invisibility and stealth are two big differences. NO ONE called aircraft or ships "invisible". Stealth means stealthily, secretly .. Use a google translator or stupidly dictionary! but not as "invisible" And if in the order, in the crowd of other ships, a fool more than a hundred meters long looks like a fishing laiba (on the radar) then .. what will the rocket head capture? A trifle or something more?
                  1. ANB
                    ANB 13 December 2021 23: 55
                    0
                    ... then .. what will the rocket head grab? A trifle or something more?

                    It depends on what they put in the head.
                  2. KCA
                    KCA 14 December 2021 09: 56
                    0
                    In what projection does a fool look like a laiba? Onyx has a marching altitude of 14m, Zircon has 000m, the GOS will look for a target at such altitudes and only when it detects it, there will be a decrease to 20-000m, from above a fool with a laiba
                    1. failure
                      failure 15 December 2021 17: 55
                      0
                      and only when it detects, there will be a decrease to 10-12m

                      I remember finding something the size of a cruiser for an Akhont - they pointed out at 50 km.
                      Decrease the EPR by 10 times and 50 km will turn into 20 - and there they may well find a rocket.
                      1. KCA
                        KCA 15 December 2021 18: 59
                        0
                        Akhont, as I understand it, "Yakhont"? Actually, this is an export version of "Onyx", accordingly castrated, but they do not give characteristics according to "Onyx", then the Americans measure the EPR under ideal conditions - strictly frontally, at an angle of inclination of the target, aircraft, 0 degrees, their pelvis was also strictly frontally measured exactly
                      2. failure
                        failure 15 December 2021 20: 08
                        0
                        as far as I understand

                        You understand correctly that this is a typo :)

                        castrated

                        Castration - it most likely only concerns range.

                        I'm looking over there - https://missilery.info/missile/jakhont/jakhont-head Yahont's seeker. How many googled pictures of onyx - the same thing in the pictures.
                      3. KCA
                        KCA 15 December 2021 23: 08
                        0
                        Why should they be different outwardly? The range is precisely cut from 600, at least to 280 km, the other parameters are also cut, so it happened that a friend suddenly turned out to be, and two ships collide, one with the Yakhonts, the other with the Onyx, you need to have a significant advantage over the enemy
                      4. failure
                        failure 21 December 2021 21: 08
                        0
                        "Why should they be different outwardly?"
                        Because if it is one and the same system, no one would artificially degrade its characteristics, such as the range of operation of the gsn. What for?
                        And to produce two slightly different systems - an extra hemorrhoids.

                        And the range is shorter only due to a decrease in the fuel supply - the export of missiles with a range of more than 300 km is limited.
                2. Cutter
                  Cutter 13 December 2021 22: 44
                  0
                  [American commentators have already nicknamed him "rusty billionaire," alluding to the ship's nearly $ 4 billion price tag.
                  ]
                  Nice boat, 4 yards. They say invisible ????
                3. The comment was deleted.
              2. mister-red
                mister-red 13 December 2021 21: 56
                0
                One of my steamers. Please pay attention to the spread of rust and compare

                It is somehow not entirely correct to compare civilian ships, God knows what year of construction, and the newest warship. I have never seen warships in the same condition as in your photos.
                1. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 13 December 2021 22: 06
                  +2
                  It is somehow not entirely correct to compare civilian ships, God knows what year of construction, and the newest warship.
                  on the military steel rusts somehow especially?
                  I have never seen warships in the same condition as in your photos.
                  me too (born and raised as if in a sea city)
                  I have already written about the way of service. Do not compare a crew of a hundred souls, only conscripts, who can be chased and today peeled, coated and painted over, and tomorrow peeled again and further according to the algorithm. And the crew of 15 people (as in the first photo) where there are only three sailors, or, as in the second photo, the crew is 86 people, when on the fishing season, the sailors are busy with the appearance of only 10 days of the return journey from 196 of the entire expedition. Is the difference clear?
                  1. mister-red
                    mister-red 13 December 2021 22: 10
                    +3
                    on the military steel rusts somehow especially?

                    They are looked after better.
                    I have already written about the way of service. Do not compare a crew of a hundred souls, only conscripts, who can be chased and today peeled, coated and painted over, and tomorrow peeled again and further according to the algorithm. And the crew of 15 people (as in the first photo) where there are only three sailors, or, as in the second photo, the crew is 86 people, when on the fishing season, the sailors are busy with the appearance of only 10 days of the return journey from 196 of the entire expedition. Is the difference clear?

                    And what did I write about ????? !!!!! Not about the same ?! There is no need to compare a warship and a civilian one. You just wrote the same thing, only in different words.
          2. Waterways 672
            Waterways 672 13 December 2021 21: 29
            +1
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            But the decks are probably ordinary - steel. And steel it rusts anyway

            The lower decks we had were covered with linoleum, cars and holds - payola usually. The upper deck is usually painted, but it can also be unpainted. The upper deck is mopped 4 times a day and there is simply no time for rust to form.
            1. Region-25.rus
              Region-25.rus 13 December 2021 21: 36
              +1
              Well ... if this is a reason to dream that "amerikosov everything sucks" (that is, we will throw hats) then ... your will. They were thrown in already in 1904 and 1914. but how did it come out ... For all their lobbying and theft and overstating the price tag, I am not inclined to think that everything is "shitty" with them. And the appearance of rust is also not inclined to regard as a failure of "stealth". Here they gave you a loud headline! And the caps flew right there - "URYAYAYA! They have rust! So we will defeat everyone with one left!"
              The upper deck is mopped 4 times a day and there is simply no time for rust to form.
              Are you sure that there is the same service organization ?? But didn’t you hope for example not "special" covering of decks, and didn’t pay due attention? Like the story of the M-16, which supposedly did not need to be cleaned. And for the cartridges of which the type of gunpowder was changed, which from the one used during the tests gave different characteristics and more carbon deposits, and did not you purchase accessories for cleaning based on the tests?
              I suspect this is too difficult huh? Much easier to write mock comments about rust ...
              1. mister-red
                mister-red 13 December 2021 21: 52
                +1
                Are you sure that there is the same service organization ?? But didn’t you hope for example not "special" covering of decks, and didn’t pay due attention?
                ... I suspect this is too difficult huh? Much easier to write humorous comments

                It is strange that you ask commentators with complaints. Why would anyone assume that their deck is not being scrubbed? Or it is not painted in a timely manner. Well, I, for example, do not know either, and I need to sit here thinking that everything can be arranged differently there and it is not necessary just how to do it here? Do I need it? They screwed up, let them fix it. I don’t know what exactly, but definitely something went wrong.
                And you seem to justify them. Something me says that there would be a ship of your country, somehow other words were found. Not?
                1. Region-25.rus
                  Region-25.rus 13 December 2021 21: 58
                  -2
                  It is strange that you ask commentators with complaints.
                  complaints to me are expressed, as it were wink In response to my versions.
                  And you seem to justify them.
                  I bring my OPINION to the event! And I do not wave my panties in the heat of hurray-patriotism
                  They screwed up, let them fix it. I don’t know what exactly, but something definitely went wrong
                  That's what I'm talking about
                  Something me says that there would be a ship of your country, somehow other words were found.
                  Which country of yours? I am so Russian and have been living for 48 years in the USSR and Russia.
                  So what is your country ????? Ukraine? Canada? Israel?
                  1. mister-red
                    mister-red 14 December 2021 16: 24
                    0
                    Which country of yours? I am so Russian and have been living for 48 years in the USSR and Russia.
                    So what is your country ????? Ukraine? Canada? Israel?

                    Why are you so mad. Russians actually live in all the former republics of the USSR. Yes, and not Russians have a good enough attitude towards Russia and are interested in what is being done in your country.
                    My country does not have a fleet, not even a river one. But I served in the Navy and every year I celebrate the Day of the Fleet and the Day of the Marine Corps.
                    And I live much longer than you.
              2. The comment was deleted.
                1. The comment was deleted.
                  1. The comment was deleted.
                2. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 23: 23
                  +2
                  Quote: Roman_VH
                  jambs on this trough, almost more than "innovations"

                  I remembered the hero of G. Burkov from the film "Zigzag of Fortune". All of his sentences contained "let's take wine", and ended
                  But there will be something to remember.

                  Quote: Region-25.rus
                  Or are you from the sect intertwined with polymers?
                  I am from the "sect" reading 90% of comments in the style of "urYa! They have rust!"

                  So what, what is rust. Why, in fact, scoff? Hangover and hangover Rust and rust ... But there will be something to remember
                  The cost of building all three destroyers is estimated at $ 12,73 billion. The total cost of the program, which includes research and development costs in addition to shipbuilding costs, is estimated at approximately $ 22,5 billion.
                  - about ... spent 22,5 lard. Nothing, the Fed will print it.
                  1. KCA
                    KCA 14 December 2021 10: 01
                    +1
                    They have already been printed, the external debt is 7, and the internal debt is 30 trillion, no matter how trite, but they can fall down even tomorrow, inflation has grown, and they print everything and make payments to citizens
                    1. Zoldat_A
                      Zoldat_A 14 December 2021 10: 22
                      +2
                      Quote: KCA
                      They have already been printed, the external debt is 7, and the internal debt is 30 trillion, no matter how trite, but they can fall down even tomorrow, inflation has grown, and they print everything and make payments to citizens

                      The trouble for the whole world is that after the war he was led to the Bretton Woods, and then to the Jamaican system. If Bretton Woods was RELATIVELY honest (what about America, in principle, can be honest?), Then Jamaican finally allowed America to stuff the world with nothing backed paper, allowing her to abolish the gold standard.

                      30 years after the war, America HAS DONE EVERYTHING POSSIBLE so that she could sit like a parasite around the neck of the world. And if something happened, "I was not the only one who tumbled in the field." ALL the world financial system will go to hell (2008. Just a couple of mortgage companies in the USA went bankrupt ...). And the one who will suffer the least of all is the one who has the least of all dollars and the most of all gold.

                      But no one bothers the United States from tomorrow, for example, the day to abolish the dollar, introduce, for example, some "amero" and start a financial biography from scratch while the rest of the world will paste over the toilets with dollars.
                      1. KCA
                        KCA 14 December 2021 10: 52
                        +1
                        Well, let's say, they can somehow withdraw from the international circulation from the dollar, but inside the country? I remember the exchange of banknotes back in the USSR in 1991, what it was like, but the United States will simply start a civil war, large corporations will, of course, be exchanged, but ordinary Americans, especially blacks, will take to the streets with weapons and robbery of everything and everyone will begin, shooting and others joy
                      2. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 14 December 2021 11: 30
                        0
                        Quote: KCA
                        Well, let's say, they can somehow withdraw from the international circulation from the dollar, but inside the country? I remember the exchange of banknotes back in the USSR in 1991

                        In 1991, homeless people did not go to "Magnit" with plastic cards.
                        Himself then stood all day in the crowd at the savings bank. And then I don’t want to change it for another six months. Just panic, excitement.

                        For example, our store "Automobiles" was closed for "inventory" two days before the exchange and the cars were sold for a month in advance. And my mother's friend, who worked in a savings bank, from whom my mother borrowed money, refused to take a debt 2 weeks before the exchange (1000 rubles, by the way!) - "I'm in no hurry, then you will give it back." And 4 hours before the announcement in the Vremya program about the exchange I took 7000 (!) Cash from the savings bank and was only delighted when the cashier, apologizing and stammering, asked: "Nothing if big?"

                        So we had it all. And in America, half of the population AT ALL have no cash in their pockets, and the other half have a huge and suspicious cash for those around them (of course, drug cartels do not count). When I was in America for the first time, I withdrawn $ 100 from an ATM. The American friends of my Russian friends, seeing them in my hands, in all seriousness asked in a whisper if I had robbed the store.

                        Therefore, in my opinion, the comparison of us then and America today is not entirely correct. There will be no war there. But China has American receipts for a trillion - I don't know how big or small a trillion dollars is for China.
                      3. KCA
                        KCA 14 December 2021 12: 47
                        0
                        Well, dollars in bank accounts will also need to be converted into a new currency, and they will do it like we do - calmly up to a certain amount, above it with a creep, and even a maximum threshold will be introduced, otherwise there is no point in replacing the dollar, I wrote - internal US debt of 30 trillion, what's the point of withdrawing one currency, but completely transferring the entire debt into a new one
                      4. Zoldat_A
                        Zoldat_A 14 December 2021 19: 00
                        0
                        Quote: KCA
                        Well, dollars in bank accounts will also need to be converted into a new currency, and they will do as we do - calmly up to a certain amount, above it with a creep, and even a maximum threshold will be introduced,

                        The difference between our system (especially if you take 1991, there were still Soviet principles) and the American one is fundamental and absolutely impossible to try on our sandals on them ..

                        We have some type of money in Sberbank, everyone knows that they are criminal - and ..... NOTHING. The loss of a client with big money is not profitable for Sberbank - no matter what origin they have. Who is supposed to do this - that either doesn't give a fuck, or they sit on the salary from this account.
                        An absolutely real case (said an employee of the state employment service), when a 35-year-old unemployed person comes to apply for unemployment benefits at the "Gelika". Not a driver. They know what the drivers look like there, and how the owners - the windows opposite the city administration.
                        Or a municipal employee with an income of 32 thousand rubles a month spends 7 million on the purchase of a car in the same month. All my life I saved up, did not drink, did not eat, and all the relatives chipped off?
                        Or a teacher at a state university who buys an apartment for 21 million and rolls it around the world 5 times a year with a detailed report on social networks. And from the social networks of his students lecturing: "Learn, gain knowledge - and you will be as rich and successful as I am."
                        There are thousands of examples. AND NOTHING...

                        In America, such numbers, with their digitalization of the banking sector, do not pass. There, if the client of the bank has money in the account, he himself must be sure of their legality and at any moment he must be able to prove this legality. If I can prove to the IRS that, while working as a janitor, I received 96000 a year (the official salary, as President, Bill Clinton), I bring 134 witnesses to the IRS - I will only be praised for my hard work. And if I buy a watch worth 105 thousand with Clinton's salary, they'll take me for a sirloin.

                        Therefore, if the money in America is in the bank, it has been rechecked 1047 times and no one would even think of introducing any restrictions on the amount of convertible money or something else.
                        They have what is in the bank can be converted easily and painlessly, any amount. For what is in the bank is honestly earned. By definition. And a suitcase of dollars in hand is criminal money. By definition. At least I put them all my life in this suitcase and put them, denying myself hamburgers.
                      5. mister-red
                        mister-red 14 December 2021 16: 28
                        +1
                        Quote: KCA
                        Well, let's say, they can somehow withdraw from the international circulation from the dollar, but inside the country? I remember the exchange of banknotes back in the USSR in 1991, what it was like, but the United States will simply start a civil war, large corporations will, of course, be exchanged, but ordinary Americans, especially blacks, will take to the streets with weapons and robbery of everything and everyone will begin, shooting and others joy

                        You have some too naive attitude towards the USA. And after all, in the 30s they confiscated all the gold from the population no worse than the Bolsheviks)
                        It will be necessary and the dollars will be withdrawn. You just have to scare the population a little. After September 2001, I am sure that the path from democracy to harsh totalitarianism in the United States is separated by no more than 6-9 months, in case of urgent need. And no one even makes a peep, despite the mass of weapons on hand.
              3. Sergey Kulikov_3
                Sergey Kulikov_3 13 December 2021 22: 30
                +3
                You can glue the cap so that it doesn’t come off, “Hurray” you don’t like, so go to the side and cry.
                And the equipment was accepted by the commission, if it doesn't care about the quality of the painting of the ship's metal, then what does it care about !?
                Admins, for mentioning "uryakolok" should be banned immediately!
                1. Asad
                  Asad 14 December 2021 03: 22
                  -2
                  Yes Yes Yes!! Shoot!
          3. Uncle lee
            Uncle lee 14 December 2021 02: 50
            0
            Quote: Region-25.rus
            just started to rust


            There’s a deadline for everything
            And sea salt is as corrosive as the devil, -
          4. tikhonov66
            tikhonov66 14 December 2021 13: 33
            0
            "... And streaks of rust are from the deck, judging by the shape. ..."
            Yeah, SHCHAZ ...
            - pay attention to the numerous "chess" smudges
            located to the upper right of the "door with a ladder".
            This "gave oak" covering of the superstructure sheets. And most likely ARMOR sheets ...
            - ah, it is not difficult to deceive me - I myself am glad to be deceived ...
            8-))
      2. impostor
        impostor 13 December 2021 18: 53
        +4
        Who was there to cheat the customer with the "anti-corrosion composite"?

        For such a price tag is unlikely to "give" the Navy. But he fulfilled his task, the budget was spent.
      3. mole
        mole 13 December 2021 19: 21
        +2
        "how he cheated a bastard" - through the lobby in the US Senate.
        1. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 14 December 2021 13: 39
          +1
          "...
          "how he fooled a bastard" - through the lobby in the US Senate
          ..."
          - if CORRUPTION is "in the US Senate" - IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO WIN
          - then it must be LEGALIZED - and called "LOBBY".
          Let those CORRUPTIONERS from their Bribes - at least pay TAXES ...
          .
          But do not call CORRUPTION - the result is the same - RUSTY.

          USA is the greatest CORRUPTION, professional LIAR, BANDIT, RECETER, TERRORIST and murderer.
          - SHAME to the police state - USA.
      4. alex neym_2
        alex neym_2 13 December 2021 19: 27
        +2
        The rye stains remind me of the roof of a neighbor's shed made of galvanized steel. This begs the question: with their business acumen, matrsniki received a galvanized trough for 4 billion? Let "Tomak" walk, for the first time enough ...
        1. tikhonov66
          tikhonov66 14 December 2021 13: 43
          0
          "... matrsniks, with their business acumen, for 4 billion received a galvanized trough ..."
          - HA! - so "galvanized trough" - "for 4 billion"
          This IS the "deadly business grip" of mattress toppers.
          For - as the old American saying goes
          - If you steal a bun in the store, then you will go to jail,
          but if you steal the RAILWAY (Zumvolt's lining), then you will become a senator ...
          - and then everything is "about the USA".
          1. alex neym_2
            alex neym_2 14 December 2021 14: 15
            0
            Do not laugh at the "poor" - in any country there is already enough of them, and money, and "patriotism", and so on ... Greeks (rogue) right there ...
      5. tovarich-andrey.62goncharov
        tovarich-andrey.62goncharov 13 December 2021 19: 32
        +3
        Their names are quite famous in narrow circles, this is ... but - shhh. And let this Rusty Pigg float on.
    2. Alexander 3
      Alexander 3 13 December 2021 19: 00
      +5
      And that this vessel is really not visible? The same invisible miracle as their stealth? Our drying drives these invisible from the border.
    3. dauria
      dauria 13 December 2021 19: 01
      +1
      Was "invisible", will become rusty ... "evolution", however.

      One thing is not a hindrance to the other ... There, a small RCS is provided by the inclination of a straight piece of metal without radii, and not by paint. Do you know why DISS-7 does not work over the calm sea? That's just it.
      1. rocket757
        rocket757 13 December 2021 19: 30
        +3
        Nothing invisible, until they invented ... simple / complicated, location devices and systems become more complicated.
        Everything is used in a complex, i.e. ground, air and space.
        Technical methods of reconnaissance and control do not stand still, everything is developing in parallel.
      2. lucul
        lucul 13 December 2021 19: 31
        +1
        "One thing is not a hindrance to the other ... There, a small RCS is provided by the inclination of a straight piece of metal without radii, and not with paint."


        So any submarine has a lower EPR than Zamvolt)))
        Was it worth building a garden? )))
    4. Real Pilot
      Real Pilot 13 December 2021 19: 08
      +3
      What happens to the irons?
      That's right, they rust! wink
    5. Anachoret
      Anachoret 13 December 2021 19: 13
      +1
      After dinner - mushrooms, after mushrooms - pancakes, lose their former "invisibility"))
  2. Barberry25
    Barberry25 13 December 2021 18: 45
    +4
    hmm .. provided that it is plywood .. so also rusty
  3. impostor
    impostor 13 December 2021 18: 47
    +3
    For someone rusty, for someone green ... dialectic. Or maybe there is a shortage of ship lead?
    1. Edik
      Edik 13 December 2021 19: 24
      -3
      Quote: impostor
      For someone rusty, for someone green ... dialectic. Or maybe there is a shortage of ship lead?

      Yes, there is something to discuss in the west laughing The trouble is poor ...
  4. Raven 95
    Raven 95 13 December 2021 18: 53
    +16
    So we saved on painting.
    Painting destroyers
    Qualitatively
    Not dorago!
    Mom klyanus
    +1 555 898 54 99
    1. parusnik
      parusnik 13 December 2021 19: 26
      +5
      - So, here it is written: "Brigade of Jews", on the one hand, and the US Department of Defense, on the other hand, agreed to paint the destroyer "Zumwalt" ...
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 14 December 2021 10: 15
        +1
        It was a good joke good
  5. Gladius
    Gladius 13 December 2021 18: 53
    +5
    This is a cut - 4 billion dollars. for a rusty vessel ... Well, the Americans are great! They kick it as an adult.
  6. dzvero
    dzvero 13 December 2021 18: 59
    +5
    Not people, but animals. They brought the boat to complete amazement once the tree rusted ...
    1. poquello
      poquello 13 December 2021 19: 25
      +5
      Quote: dzvero
      Not people, but animals. They brought the boat to complete amazement once the tree rusted ...

      turned upside down, finished with a file and set sail
  7. Kesha1980
    Kesha1980 13 December 2021 19: 12
    -6
    I expect this "news" from Saturday. In general, I noticed that the editorial board of VO writes a lot of news from RIA-Novosti. Even paragraphs - word for word. It is then that the authors of the article are not indicated.
    So let's shout "Urya!" and remember our gradual modernization of 30-year-olds.
    I am a patriot and I understand the cost of the Fleet, I see the increased costs for the Fleet, only the meaning of "belittling" opponents?
    1. lucul
      lucul 13 December 2021 19: 29
      +2
      "just the meaning of" belittling "opponents?"

      Because this hype picture has already flown around the open spaces of the Runet)))
      But in the beginning, the Liberals presented Zamwolt as an absolute wunderwalk in the navy. So this is a stone in the garden of the liberals.)))
      1. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 13 December 2021 19: 49
        +1
        Bad ship! But this is a run-in of technologies. Not only painting technology). Stealth cover bummer, though). I envy them a little - they made, albeit unsuccessful, a step forward. Not only was the coating technology tested there, not only. Enviable denyuzhkam that they can "poyuzat and come up with something."
        1. Alex777
          Alex777 13 December 2021 20: 56
          +3
          Quote: Kesha1980
          I envy them a little - they made, albeit unsuccessful, a step forward.

          Everyone took a step forward.
          But the States - for money, and the rest - for free. bully
          1. Kesha1980
            Kesha1980 13 December 2021 22: 05
            -1
            Only in a small part. They not only rolled "stealth". I never consider opponents fools (especially three times - by the number of ships)).
            1. Sergey Kulikov_3
              Sergey Kulikov_3 13 December 2021 22: 47
              +1
              And what did the run-in show? Maybe it was better to check it upon acceptance, and not rivet imperfections?
              And yes, in my opinion, the zumwalts are not made about us, let them rivet more, since the money is pressing hard.
              1. Kesha1980
                Kesha1980 13 December 2021 22: 57
                -3
                But they won't write about it on VO. We will not find out. We do not recognize the running-in technology. As well as the technologies themselves. We will only be told which Americans are stupid people (thrice stupid people), but what happened "inside" we will not know.
                1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                  Sergey Kulikov_3 13 December 2021 23: 11
                  +1
                  So you can write about it, open your eyes to me and others so that I can see what smart people are doing there. I don’t know anything about running in zumwalts and I’m silent about it like a fish on ice, but you probably know something, since you write so confidently.
                  1. Kesha1980
                    Kesha1980 13 December 2021 23: 15
                    0
                    I just think that not only for the sake of the "geometry of shapes and colors" vbuhulyat 12 billion. I see no reason to consider amers specific idiots. I suppose that some technologies were tested there, in addition to "super-geometry, paint and an electromagnetic gun." Or do you think amers downs?
                    1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                      Sergey Kulikov_3 13 December 2021 23: 34
                      0
                      I don't think three ships are built for experimentation. I'm not an expert on downs, but like 2 + 2 = 22 hints at some learning problems.
                      1. Kesha1980
                        Kesha1980 13 December 2021 23: 56
                        -1
                        Do not forget that these "rusty troughs") are intermediate links before LCS, part of the strategy. Therefore, I assume that certain technologies will be tested.
                      2. Sergey Kulikov_3
                        Sergey Kulikov_3 14 December 2021 00: 23
                        +1
                        The United States, of course, is developing its fleet, because without it they cannot influence most of the countries of the world, but it is somehow wrong to suspect the development of new technologies because of this. They just do what they can, in what they are strong, and they are strong in the whole "democratic" world, they exchange developments with all their satellites. But the fact that the color of the ship is bad indicates the level of their state acceptance, and this is already a bell.
                      3. Alex777
                        Alex777 14 December 2021 00: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Kesha1980
                        Therefore, I also assume that certain technologies will be tested.

                        One can assume. And you can know.
                        Initially, they were going to build 32 ships.
                        As part of the application concept, they were supposed to interact with LCS ships.
                        As a result, LCS exists, but Zamvoltov does not.
                        And the whole concept, on which colossal money was spent, failed. yes
                        Let's go back to the destroyers. Usually, the cost of developing new technologies is divided across all ships in the series.
                        But with the Zamvolts, they were first reduced to 24, and then to 3. The price went off scale.
                        Moreover, on the latter, the superstructure is ordinary. Steel. Not composite with balsa. The latter does not have that "stealth" for the sake of which everything was started.
                        Everything on the destroyers was new and the project did not take off.
                        For the sake of economy, the radar system was halved.
                        As a result, she lost the functionality for which everything was started. Etc.
                        Shells for 155 mm guns for a series of 3 ships are comparable in price to Tomahawks.
                        And they did not install the guns at all.
                        The VPU Mk-57, with an increased cell size, was supposed to bring US NAVY to a new level.
                        But for the sake of 3 ships, the development of new missiles was canceled. Here, too, everything was covered.
                        And so for nothing. bully
                        It has not yet been decided what to do with them.

                        http://pentagonus.ru/publ/vooruzhenie/programma_sozdanija_ehsmincev_uro_novogo_pokolenija_tipa_zamvolt_dlja_vms_ssha_2014/27-1-0-2555#
                        http://pentagonus.ru/publ/vooruzhenie/programma_sozdanija_ehsmincev_uro_novogo_pokolenija_tipa_zamvolt_dlja_vms_ssha_ch2_2014/27-1-0-2568#
                        http://pentagonus.ru/publ/vooruzhenie/programma_sozdanija_ehm_uro_novogo_pokolenija_tipa_zamvolt_dlja_vms_ssha_ch3_2014/27-1-0-2579

                        https://militaryarms.ru/voennaya-texnika/voennye-korabli/esminec-zumwalt-vydayushheesya-dostizhenie-ili-proval-amerikanskix-korablestroitelej/

                        http://pentagonus.ru/publ/po_rodam_vojsk/vms/chto_delat_s_ehsmincami_tipa_zumwalt_u_vms_ssha_est_neskolko_grandioznykh_idej_2021/148-1-0-3047
                      4. Kesha1980
                        Kesha1980 14 December 2021 08: 46
                        -2
                        I was amused most of all that the ships, instead of the planned 50 knots, gave only 12. Then they began to "smoke the sky", because the thrust "could not"). They did it in the end, don't you know?
                      5. Alex777
                        Alex777 14 December 2021 09: 24
                        +1
                        The coastal gunship cannot fight, and the US Navy is finally agreeing to this.

                        The US Naval Institute news website was the first to report decommissioning plans. USS Independence, the lead trimaran sub-class vessel, will be decommissioned in July. USS Freedom, the lead single-hull LCS, will follow its cousin into retirement in September.
                        Freedom is 13 years old. Independence - 11 years. Freedom was able to deploy to small missions throughout Latin America. Independence, by contrast, has never cruised on the front lines.
                        Both ships were built to last 25 years, but the Navy estimates it would cost $ 31 billion to bring them, along with the next two oldest LCSs - one of each variant - to 2,5 LCSs in service or under construction.
                        The LCS, as envisioned by the Navy in the late 1990s, was to be a fast and inexpensive combat vehicle for shallow water combat. It will be modular, which means it will be compatible with automatic weapon and sensor kits, each optimized for different missions. Minehotting. Anti-submarine warfare. Protection from small boats.
                        But the concept was wrong. The high speed required a complex propulsion system, which two decades later breaks down so often on the single-hull variant that the type can hardly complete the deployment. The interchangeable modules proved to be so finicky that the Navy refused to install more than one module in any given LCS.
                        Perhaps worst of all, in order to reduce the cost of the hulls by about $ 500 million for a ship, the Navy decided to equip them with only light weapons - cannons and short-range self-defense missiles. Although the Navy has added a pair of quad launchers for anti-ship missiles with a range of 100 miles to some LCS, it has not added vertical Mark 41 cells for surface-to-air missiles.
                        This is problem. The Mark 41 and the SM-6 "versatile" missile that it launches are key to the Navy's future combat plans. The SM-6 can engage ships, aircraft, cruise missiles, ballistic missiles, and even ground troops.
                        As the rest of the fleet doubles down on their heaviest weapons, the LCS's light weapons doom them. Too large and expensive for reconnaissance and incompatible with the SM-6, coastal warships have nothing to add to the new sensor missile network.

                        The Navy may still find the role of 31 LCS, which it can leave. They could conduct peacetime patrols, train with small Allied naval forces, and possibly replace the cannon-armed boats that the fleet is removing from its Gulf patrol.
                        Every dollar the navy doesn't spend on LCS is a dollar it can spend on a warship with, you know, weapons.

                        https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2021/05/20/the-littoral-combat-ship-cant-fight-the-us-navy-is-finally-coming-to-terms-with-it/?sh=752183d22587

                        The article was published in May.
                        All problems are indicated. Do not add do not subtract.
                        You can't even do anything with the first 4 - they just wrote it off.
                        The rest of them come up with tasks only because they cannot be simply written off. hi
                      6. Kesha1980
                        Kesha1980 14 December 2021 09: 50
                        -1
                        Thank you hi
                        Americans budgets are not poorly able to "saw and capitalize" - how many times I am already convinced)
                      7. Alex777
                        Alex777 14 December 2021 09: 59
                        +1
                        Globalism has covered the States.
                        The transfer of production to other countries broke the closest connection between production and development.
                        University teachers were left without practical experience. Etc.
                        "Effective managers" were the first to appear in the States. bully
              2. voyaka uh
                voyaka uh 14 December 2021 10: 19
                +3
                "And what did the run-in show?" ///
                ---
                Running in heavy storms has shown, for example, that Zumvolts are wave-resistant.
                And they can fire rocket fires when Burke and Ticonderogs already become temporarily incapacitated due to rolling.
                1. Sergey Kulikov_3
                  Sergey Kulikov_3 14 December 2021 12: 14
                  0
                  There were two hits of zumvolts in strong storms, there are no reports of firing during the storm. It is very difficult to read online journalists, they confuse the height of the waves and the balls of the storm, insert the opinions of the crew, but you will not get any specific information from them. The only opinion that sumvolts behave in a storm at the level of enemy ships, this is generally said very strongly, they would have compared the destroyer with submarines.
                  1. voyaka uh
                    voyaka uh 14 December 2021 14: 12
                    +3
                    The sumvolt did not accidentally hit the storm, but was sent during the "bad season" to the Pacific Ocean near Alaska specifically to test seaworthiness.
                    The Zumvolt commander previously commanded Ticonderoga.
                    The only real problem with sumvolts is the inadequacy of artillery towers.
                    All weapons are rocket cells for 80 missiles.
                    Towers and cellars will be dismantled and replaced with completely new long and wide cells.
                    For a new generation of rockets.
                    Ballistic tactical, not winged, as I understand it.
  8. Avior
    Avior 13 December 2021 19: 16
    +4
    It is not clear what the sensation is?
    The metal of the ship rusts over time, what news!
  9. sailor roman
    sailor roman 13 December 2021 19: 16
    +14
    I am a former military man and current civilian sailor. In the seventies and eighties, I had the opportunity to constantly meet, monitor, search, pursue American and NATO ships, and even visit some of them and communicate with officers. Their ships in those days were a model of cleanliness, order, education and, of course, impeccably painted. Today, US ships and practically all NATO ships in all seas and oceans show dirty decks, rusty sides and the lowest maritime culture, officers are not able to explain the structure of their own ship and only know a narrow range of their duties, as the chief officer of one of the ships asked about the method of launching and lifting the boats were in agitation, and he could not answer, began to call for an explanation of some sailor. It's funny, but it's a fact.
    1. 2 Level Advisor
      2 Level Advisor 13 December 2021 19: 44
      -1
      so it's because you stopped visiting them laughing Or maybe everything is simpler - before you personally and closely looked at them, but now on the news, where are they shown like that? ships with time rust any - the news is certainly amazing ..
      1. Sergey Kulikov_3
        Sergey Kulikov_3 13 December 2021 22: 56
        +1
        Have you tried to scrape, prime and paint? When I worked as a sailor I tried it, nothing complicated. So even at the deputy headquarters, the wooden superstructure rusts, apparently the nails were not painted over :)
    2. Waterways 672
      Waterways 672 13 December 2021 20: 09
      +2
      Quote: sailor Roman
      asked the chief officer of one of the ships about the method of launching and lifting the boat in waves

      Was in the tank mooring team. In addition to mooring, there was a descent-lifting of a working and command boat on us. The command boat was rarely launched, and the worker very often. The main task, when you work with a boat in waves, is to hold the guys (there are two of them), and in no case wrap this guy around your arm. You want to wrap the guy line around your hand because it pulls out, it is difficult to hold. At the hoisting winch, the stopper can be ripped off, the boat will crash into the water with all the ensuing consequences.
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 14 December 2021 10: 22
      +2
      "Today US ships and practically all NATO ships in all seas and oceans show dirty decks, rusty sides" ///
      ----
      The crews of modern warships have been reduced by two to three times due to automation.
      There are no free sailors who can go out on the decks with mops and buckets of paint on the voyage.
      All repair and painting works are carried out by teams of repairmen at the bases.
      The Zumvolt crew is only 148 people.
    4. ycuce234-san
      ycuce234-san 14 December 2021 11: 44
      +1
      If dirt and rust is a consequence of automation and mechanization and an increase in the load on the reduced crew, then it has not yet been completed. Because sailors do not have to scrape and paint surfaces by hand, when it is possible to use mechanical units for this - one with wire brushes and the other with a spray of modern plastic powder paint.
      And this is not the limit, since they can also be washed mechanically - there are cleaning systems such as a built-in central vacuum cleaner, which can remove dust and can wash, as it can be designed in the format of a washing vacuum cleaner. They are used in houses of increased comfort, and their industrial versions are used in industry. Sooner or later, this system will be built into ships, leaving the mops in museums.
      Well, robotization - for a long time robotic vacuum cleaners have been used in homes and a similar unit on a ship in the form of a scrubber will be able to clean itself continuously around the clock and year-round. The same painting robot will be able to paint the sides of a simple shape by itself.
      Accordingly, a person will only deal with greatly reduced areas that are inaccessible to such mechanisms.
  10. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 13 December 2021 19: 30
    +2
    For $ 3,5 billion, they could paint with Swarovski rhinestones. They shoot the paint supplier, it still faded. What can 142 crew members do with such a shed, there is no one to paint from the word at all. The tiles did not fall off, only covered with rust, especially in the exhaust area pipes, it means there is a problem with insulation. It's a pity there is no photo of the starboard side. A non-statutory tent of purple color smiled at the stern. She is a yacht and a yacht in Africa.
  11. Sands Careers General
    Sands Careers General 13 December 2021 19: 50
    +3
    the West is discussing the appearance of rust on the hull of the "stealth" destroyer Zumwalt


    That gold appears on the sides laughing
  12. Incvizitor
    Incvizitor 13 December 2021 19: 52
    0
    It is necessary to give it to the outskirts so that it will be painted in blue-blue then everything will be right away.
  13. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 13 December 2021 20: 13
    -1
    This is not rust, this is autumn camouflage. It is necessary to understand!
    1. Igool
      Igool 13 December 2021 20: 37
      0
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      This is not rust, this is autumn camouflage

      For dive readiness?
      1. Vasyan1971
        Vasyan1971 14 December 2021 04: 56
        0
        Quote: Igool
        For dive readiness?

        Yes. And hide there ... winked
  14. sledak
    sledak 13 December 2021 20: 51
    0
    I watched the video, at the end in the background the aircraft carrier Abraham Lincoln (CVN-72) built in 1988, looks much more decent, if not newer in terms of paintwork.

    I remember the Camedy Club, Kharlamov with his "all sleep wife", as they say, the thief's hat is on fire, I'm talking about those who got a lot of bucks from the US budget for this stealth coating. It's just great for us! It is necessary to "reward"
  15. boris ivanov
    boris ivanov 13 December 2021 21: 03
    +10
    then it is necessary to paint this boat every morning .. so that no one can see it)
  16. rruvim
    rruvim 13 December 2021 21: 26
    +3
    On Zamvolta there is TSCE (Teska), an almost ideal BIUS on super-duper computers. The people of the Zamwolts were nicknamed "floating servers". Plus an absolutely active phased array along the entire perimeter of the superstructure. That is, the floating radar "DON" on a smaller scale, although any destroyer from the Burkov series has the same radar, only in a smaller version. The entire Zamvolt is a solid comp. As if the eggheads from the States decided to "blind" themselves to a floating server. What for? Unclear...[/ Center]
    1. Roman_vh
      Roman_vh 13 December 2021 22: 07
      +3
      Bitcoin mining, no?
  17. Skipper
    Skipper 13 December 2021 22: 23
    +2
    Probably Dzhamshut, when he painted it with a roller, loosened it up too much.
  18. Klingon
    Klingon 13 December 2021 23: 22
    0
    Quote: rocket757
    Was "invisible", will become rusty ... "evolution", however.

    Not evolution, but entropy) the second law of thermodynamics has not been canceled wassat
  19. Egor53
    Egor53 14 December 2021 01: 56
    0
    Such an ugly ship cannot sail well. A good ship must be beautiful.
  20. Tagan
    Tagan 14 December 2021 06: 27
    0
    Quote: Region-25.rus
    schA of course hurray-patsreoty will shower me with slippers BUT! The coating of the sides is most likely yes. As stated! But the decks are probably ordinary - steel. And steel it rusts whatever one may say. And they are streaks of rust from the deck judging by the shape. I know personally what is rust on ships hi
    And it looks like the steel set just started to rust and rust seeped through the joints (she's so yes) out ...

    Throw it in - and they will do the right thing. And it doesn't even matter at all who is the first to throw a sneaker at you)))
    What is the difference, as a result of which rust appears? The fact is, there is plenty of it. This leads to the fact that the protective coating needed to ensure stealth is meaningless. Once again and slowly: rust on top of the protective coating.
    Radar, your explanation of the reasons for the increase in visibility do not care))
  21. Basarev
    Basarev 14 December 2021 15: 07
    -1
    But how? It also has a balsa superstructure that should not rust.