Military Review

Payments to reservists want to be “tied” to new military salaries

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This fall, the State Duma plans to consider in the second reading a bill that radically changes the system of staying in the reserve of military service citizens.

It is about creating a professional mobilization reserve in Russia. His army command and the leadership of some law enforcement agencies will call under their banners during war, major exercises or emergency situations.

No one is going to drive the people who have served in the army back to the barracks. For a long time to tear them away from home and work - too. The bill provides for a strictly voluntary entry of the reserve in the reserve army. It can look like this. Before being transferred to the reserve, the commander will offer the soldier to sign a contract, according to which yesterday's fighter undertakes to return from time to time. Another possible way is to recruit contract reservists through military registration and enlistment offices.

In order to interest a person with an "extra urgent" service, they will begin to pay a certain amount every month. At first, the deputies believed that depending on the military specialty and army rank, the reservist should establish a salary in 5-7 thousand rubles per month. But, after the salary in the Armed Forces was raised several times in January of this year, the financial approaches to this bill changed somewhat.

“We think that the monthly salary of a reservist cannot be lower than 10 percent of the salary of a military post for which he is assigned to a military unit and the salary of a military rank,” Admiral Vladimir Komoyedov, Chairman of the State Duma Defense Committee, told the RG correspondent. .

During the period of fees for reservists will keep their average salary on the "citizen". In addition, the "guerrillas" will receive money as ordinary contract. For such people, they want to introduce additional payments, in particular, the regional coefficient and the monthly allowance for continuous stay in the reserve. The main thing is that the spare soldier’s wallet will be replenished regardless of whether he is working or is currently in the military unit.

Mobilization innovations are associated with considerable financial costs and affect the interests of employers. Apparently, this explains some delay in the consideration of the draft law in the State Duma. Recall that the original term of the official "registration" in Russia contract reserve troops called 2012 year.

It, apparently, should be corrected. However, the deputies do not reject the very idea of ​​forming a new mobilization structure. Moreover, in order for reservists to meet higher military requirements, the State Duma proposes to revise the deadlines for them to complete military training. Today, a soldier and a reserve officer are called into operation about once every three years. Charges usually last no more than two months.

The authors of innovations do not see the point of increasing their duration, otherwise the person will simply be fired from civilian work. But more likely to organize army retraining, apparently, will still have to. One of the options is an annual two-week training camp for reservists in a military unit near their place of residence. In order for a person, being in the reserve, to have the opportunity of military career growth, the "partisans" can be granted the right to free professional retraining in the army and naval universities.

Deputies propose to form a mobilization reserve in Russia in several stages, giving priority to the creation of a second front for the Armed Forces. To begin with, on the basis of some military units, the Ministry of Defense will conduct an experiment on the recruitment and training of reserve personnel. If the first pancake does not come out lumpy, the new system can fully earn in a couple of years. By this time, according to some estimates, the Armed Forces will already have at hand 8600 professional storekeepers. Then, they say in the State Duma, it will be the turn of recruitment of personnel reserve to other security agencies.

Those soldiers and sergeants who do not want to sign a contract for service in the mobilization reserve before being fired will be included in the so-called mobilization resource. Staying there extra money will not bring people. They will still remain on military duty, but they will be less likely to call for army training than reservists. And in an emergency situation such people will be put under the gun secondarily.

Dossier "RG"
Formation of a well-trained mobilization reserve is a common practice of leading Western countries. His staff in Germany, France, Britain and the United States even exceeds the size of the Armed Forces.

In America, the role of the "second front" is played by the National Guard. In addition, the army and the air force have their own manpower. Americans serve voluntarily in reserve, necessarily signing a contract with the military command.
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  1. spender
    spender 18 September 2012 13: 24
    +10
    First, we destroy all the good things that were in the SA, then to "restore" again. I think many conscripts will not refuse such an increase wink A mobile reserve is a force, only earlier there were mobilization centers (warehouses, barracks, boxes with reserve equipment), now we need to invest a lot of money to restore
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 18 September 2012 13: 25
      +6
      National tradition ...
      1. vorobey
        vorobey 18 September 2012 13: 39
        +5
        And who is recording? or too early?
        1. klimpopov
          klimpopov 18 September 2012 13: 49
          +4
          By the way, yes, we must run to the draft board, however ...
          But weight loss does not shine even for personnel officers.
          1. Cesar_Xnumx
            Cesar_Xnumx 18 September 2012 14: 09
            +3
            Hmm, I feel early I went to serve in the army. During the service, the salary, taking into account the form of admission, was 743 rubles, demobilized - they made at least 2 thousand. Now they’ve come up with it, it will be interesting to see.
      2. mongoose
        mongoose 19 September 2012 08: 10
        0
        um, give me money? .. and from there the destruction, but as far as I remember in the CA there was no such thing as a reservist (in the sense as set out in the article), the storerooms are a bit different.
    2. baltika-18
      baltika-18 18 September 2012 14: 19
      +2
      Quote: spender
      A mobile reserve is a force, only earlier there were mobilization centers (warehouses, barracks, boxes with reserve equipment), now we need large

      So the mobile reserves were sold for a long time, they still have them in some places, now they are selling. Next to me there is such a warehouse. So comrades, when they are looking for him all the time they call on me to ask how to get to him, they take everything out.
  2. Kolyan 2
    Kolyan 2 18 September 2012 13: 40
    -1
    I am a reserve personnel officer, but I would not give up extra money.
  3. Ruslan67
    Ruslan67 18 September 2012 13: 43
    +5
    no matter how it turns into a write-off of money for dead souls, everything seems to be all right according to the lists and there’s no one to put under arms
    1. baltika-18
      baltika-18 18 September 2012 14: 12
      +2
      Quote: Ruslan67

      no matter how it turns into a write-off of money for dead souls, everything seems to be all right according to the lists and there’s no one to put under arms

      And how not to do FIG ..... Zhuchar is enough everywhere, the army is no exception.
  4. TRex
    TRex 18 September 2012 13: 45
    +5
    The bullshit is all ... Find a "reservist" somewhere in Kamchatka or in Dagestan?
    Another "quirk" and fraud at the suggestion of our "professionals" from the Ministry of Defense and the General Staff.
  5. Sasha 19871987
    Sasha 19871987 18 September 2012 13: 57
    -1
    yes, it’s good to attract reservists with the ruble in our velvet cap
  6. baltika-18
    baltika-18 18 September 2012 14: 09
    +2
    The guys last "partisan" in 2002. I can say one thing, drinking vodka for 14 days is very hard. We were so tired that we got everyone. They dispersed us then, and the company was good, it's nice to remember. and took away, lies like a memory.
  7. volcano
    volcano 18 September 2012 14: 12
    0
    Very sensible .... and very professional quality approach ...
    It's funny that he himself thought something like that too ... even wanted to express this idea here on the site, but somehow there wasn’t a suitable case ....

    If everything happens as it is written, then the quality of the mobile reserve will increase significantly.

    And I'll take off my hat. good
    1. klimpopov
      klimpopov 18 September 2012 14: 15
      +1
      Increasing davlazheniya is not equal to improving the quality of the mob reserve, when I partisaned for ten days (I was lucky to get it mainly thanks to my father in stock) we spent a lot of time at the training ground, which is what improves the quality of the mob reserve. And the friend above wrote that they were tired of drinking 14 days of vodka, the situation was exactly the same with us, they didn’t drink only at the training ground for shooting ... Of course, all from personal experience and IMHO
      1. volcano
        volcano 18 September 2012 14: 33
        0
        Quote: klimpopov
        Increasing davlazheniya is not equal to improving the quality of the mob reserve

        In its pure form, no, but ..... it must be understood that the reserve of the first stage will have quantitative indicators (well, for example, a million), it follows that some reservists encouraged by such monetary replenishment will want to get there, and it follows that the defense ministry can to choose from those who want, the most trained and professionally developed storerooms, pushing the lower-quality ones in the second place, and it follows that the quality of the first-stage mobility reserve will grow no matter how you say it.
      2. Mikado
        Mikado 18 September 2012 14: 37
        0
        Presumably, everything depends on the unit and its commanders. If the "partisans" get where the commanders chick on them, then they drink without drying out, but in some training, with their father-commander, they will have a hard time))
  8. lelikas
    lelikas 18 September 2012 14: 15
    +1
    If it works, it will be great, if only to take the weapon home ....
    1. volcano
      volcano 18 September 2012 16: 37
      +1
      Quote: lelikas
      Still, take weapons home ....


      Yeah. Imagine the picture .....
      Dear car owners .. well, clear the yard quickly .... I need to attach my reserved BMD laughing
  9. Waroc
    Waroc 18 September 2012 14: 38
    +2
    Let it be as it is supposed, suppose.
    Of course, I don’t feel like writing and thinking disgusting things, but let's estimate the contingent of those who will mainly make up this formation - the mobile reserve. Correctly wrote above - I would also not give up a couple or three extra thousand per month, let them drip slowly. But, at the same time, I understand perfectly well that these payments do not shine for me, because I can’t go to the training camp 1-2 times a month to the detriment of my main work - they’ll fire me ... ren (even if enough work has been done) the legal framework in order to attract mobrezervists to these same fees - well, the authorities will not want to have such a crap and separation of the employee from production). So it turns out that - fate.
    And now we consider the following: to conclude a contract for being in the mobilization reserve (voluntarily or involuntarily - by the way, also a question ...) almost certainly, almost all will agree upon the end of the service (because money is money, albeit small, but it’s also helpful, and especially in a situation where a person has no work and nothing has been decided in his life), then many will come to the training camp for six months or even years. And after a period of about 1 year, the most interesting part begins - almost all normal and worthwhile men will determine their work, family, prospects and plans for the future and simply will not be able to fully fulfill their responsibilities in supporting the preparation of the mobility reserve (according to the example reasons). The overwhelming majority of those reserves remain those who do not know how to do anything and do not want to be able to do anything, those who join the inconsistent ranks of alcoholics, drug addicts and other scum. Yes, they will even come to the training camp - to sleep off and rest on government grub, to have a drink in the barracks (just don’t think to mind me on this issue - I myself watched the gatherings of partisans in the amount of 300 people - quiet horror). Here we draw conclusions - our reformers have been working in this direction for a very long time.

    PS But really - do not build to break (((
    1. volcano
      volcano 18 September 2012 16: 49
      0
      Waroc,

      Well, let's say, with regard to state institutions, as well as municipal ones, then where will they go ... they will let them go.
      as far as private business is concerned, some kind of tax break may well "appease" its owners.
      As for the "usefulness" of training reservists, firstly no one will expect "great accomplishments" at the level of the active army (this is impossible in principle), and secondly, everything depends on the intensity and competent organization of training at the training camp.

      But again, this is clearly better than the current situation, when in fact all the mobile plans are good only on paper, BUT they are absolutely not feasible.
      And there are many reasons for this.
  10. Odessa
    Odessa 18 September 2012 14: 55
    +3
    Payments to reservists want to be “tied” to new military salaries

    Well, not just from floundering bay, but with a new package of laws. As in Israel, not a single boss (if he has a job in the private sector) has the right to fire a reservist during his arrival at the training camp, or any other enterprise.
    1. yanus
      yanus 18 September 2012 15: 13
      0
      Quote: Odessa
      Well, not just from floundering bay, but with a new package of laws. As in Israel, not a single boss (if he has a job in the private sector) has the right to fire a reservist during his arrival at the training camp, or any other enterprise.

      Odessa, and what will the company do without an employee? Without me, for example, work in the company will at least become, and if they "take" for 2 months, then in general there will be a serious loss both in money and in clients.
      1. Odessa
        Odessa 18 September 2012 16: 01
        +2
        yanus,
        and what will the enterprise do without an employee? Without me, for example, work in the company will at least become, and if they "take" for 2 months, then in general there will be a serious loss both in money and in clients.

        First, they won’t take it, but they will call. This is for starters.
        And secondly, there are no irreplaceable workers. Whether you are at least the owner of a business, if you called yourself a cargo ship, climb into the back! Considering what I wrote above.
    2. d.gksueyjd
      d.gksueyjd 18 September 2012 17: 54
      +1
      No one will be fired, just a salary after fees will begin to receive according to the labor contract. YOU WILL RESIST
  11. IRBIS
    IRBIS 18 September 2012 14: 58
    +1
    It all looks ridiculous. Now they serve for a year. Well, what kind of "cool and super-necessary" professional can you prepare for this year so that you can then pay him monthly money for his "mental" stay with the army? And the number is 8600! - professional storage just amazing. The embodiment of the "Russian military threat"! Again we "lick" someone else's experience without looking at the harsh reality. Goonies! The army has been "reformed", and now the trained reserve must be threatened!
  12. andrklimanov
    andrklimanov 18 September 2012 15: 00
    0
    I do not understand. and if I have already served and I am 32 years old then they won’t take me?
  13. Nechai
    Nechai 18 September 2012 15: 01
    +2
    There is an impression that the experience and developments of the Soviet period are CONSCIOUSLY ignored. Or like the Amers, or digging into the nose, sucking "ideas" from the finger.
    "Before leaving for the reserve, the commander will offer the soldier to sign a contract, according to which yesterday's fighter undertakes to return to duty from time to time. "- And for this he MUST live, roughly speaking, within walking distance from the military unit of destination. Aha.
    Payments to reservists are wonderful, BUT only according to the results of fees, exercises, confirmation of their physical, military and professional qualifications, and even more so if you raised it. And the financial load will decrease for the business. But the payment, not through the military registration and enlistment offices - that’s where the very turbidity and extortion begins. And in the military unit at the final construction, with the announcement publicly and on the card, they dropped it once. The abilities of various machiners-miners will sharply decrease.
    It is necessary to lay, rather expensive classes, etc. for retraining on the equipment standing in service in this military unit. Not always arriving at the destination l / s, sees what he owns. Even at the exercises held not so long ago, a small-arms SMB transferred from the Moscow region to the Amur Region was very surprised when Aunt Masha, on the basis of storing weapons and equipment, gave them BMP-1s, 152mm howitzers towed by the Urals ....
    1. ivachum
      ivachum 18 September 2012 15: 44
      0
      "with the announcement publicly and on the card once and dropped"

      Unfortunately, posting through a bank to a card takes about 3-4 slaves. days. And then only if the military unit has its own accounting department ..... Now monetary allowances are transferred through the ERC (Unified Settlement Center). The order of the commander of the military unit goes through the military district to Moscow, is signed by the Moscow Region (I doubt it myself) and only then gets into the ERC. It may take 2-4 months. drinks
  14. ivachum
    ivachum 18 September 2012 15: 32
    +1
    Cool off .... drinks and relax! The salary for the position and military rank of the commander of a motorized rifle company (14th tariff category + captain) is 33 rubles / month. Those. being in reserve, he is expected to receive - 500 rubles / month.

    At the same time, it is real that a company company with a length of service of 15 to 20 years (calendar) and premiums gets about 54 rubles. The contracted servicemen are smaller (the foreman of a company is about 000-34 rubles. While in reserve - about 35 rubles.

    Yes ... after the formation of the reserve, the exercises will have to be carried out only in winter. Spring-summer-autumn sowing-harvesting. And with such "money" only residents of villages and villages will go to the reserve. Which in itself, of course, is not bad, But ... soldier

    And employers who are opposed - recommend changing the country of residence and doing business ... With confiscation, of course ... bully
  15. A_pa_Beer
    A_pa_Beer 18 September 2012 15: 42
    +5
    I may be mistaken, but if a big mess happens, then all the latest technology will be ground in a couple of months. we’ll fight on t-55, with Kalash and a pair of grenades.
    1. Ruslan67
      Ruslan67 19 September 2012 01: 09
      +1
      you are not mistaken, but they will fight on the Shermans and with m1
  16. Nechai
    Nechai 18 September 2012 15: 45
    +4
    Quote: ivachum
    And with such "money" only residents of villages and villages will go to the reserve. Which in itself, of course, is not bad, But ...

    If collected once a year. And according to the results, on the card the entire annual payment, one-time ?!
    10% of the monthly salary x 12 months = 120% + bonus for advanced training (25% -30% of the total). As well as a decline, for failure to complete classroom qualifications, etc. Since the loot now rules everything, it’s like that somehow. And the employer pays taxes by 150-200% less than the salary of the reservist. Presenting to the tax, the corresponding bamaga from the military unit. Gesheft make their way at the expense of cross-database. And on the little bench in the courtroom, for the lawyer, please ....
    1. ivachum
      ivachum 18 September 2012 15: 52
      +1
      laughing -Royadovoy Oolym .... ov!
      - I!
      - Well done, praise! Hold the card, on it is your money for the whole year. After 3-4 months you can get it at the nearest ATM to your camp.
      -Thank you, boss! On May 9th, Moscow will have to fly!

      it is not easier to say that calling him for 1-2 months a year, he will simply be paid as a contract serviceman / officer for the same period. And do not calculate the interest .... And for not fulfilling / not skill / not desire - in FIG from the reserve. Yours faithfully!
  17. Aleks tv
    Aleks tv 18 September 2012 15: 50
    +3
    Those. they want to create a "partisan" army like Switzerland and Germany and pay money for it.
    Not bad. That way we get a qualified mobile quick response reserve.
    The idea is not bad, so at least partially it is possible to restore the Soviet mob.preparation destroyed at the present time.
    It is important that the fighter be assigned to a specific part of walking distance from home, know his position, direct commanders, the place of storage of the property assigned to him, the order of his actions, the payment procedure ... and much more.
    Mob.work is a science.
    If only everything was done wisely, and not as usual.

    ps Co-workers who still pull the strap complain that they barely have time to train the crews in a qualified manner, and they immediately leave for civilian life. And for those partisans who are undergoing retraining right now - an eye and an eye are needed, to destroy the equipment in 5 seconds. can ... There is no normal Mob. reserve at all. If there will be more complicated equipment T-72 - there will be nobody to operate it.
    1. ivachum
      ivachum 18 September 2012 16: 23
      +1
      Why not Israel, for example? In any war larger than the Georgian one in 2008, these "partisan" troops, as you say, will have to fight ... Even the most professional, super-equipped cadre army (and the US and Chinese armies are no exception) will suffer losses. And these losses will be the greater, the larger the enemy army and the longer its resistance (take Iraq or Afghanistan, but for now NATO can replenish and replace the contingent, although they already have problems with this, so they gathered everyone there from Georgia to the Baltic states) ... 3-6 months and the regular Armed Forces will cease to exist (I'm not saying that everyone will die, no), their place will have to be taken by these same reservists (mobile resources), incl. and equipment and weapons. Moreover, this will affect both warring parties.
      1. Aleks tv
        Aleks tv 18 September 2012 17: 53
        +1
        Quote: ivachum
        And why not Israel, for example?


        But what's the difference ... At least “from Mars”.
        There is no mobile training at all now, but what “is” needs to be re-taught before being allowed to enter military equipment and, moreover, to issue orders to units.
        And in everything else - of course I agree, but otherwise, I wrote about the same thing. A plus.
        And the system of the USSR MP is currently destroyed. Taburetkin finally finished it off. What “is” does not climb into any gates.
        It is necessary to revive MP. It is desirable in a more effective quality.

        I really hope that sophisticated modern equipment will begin to enter the troops, but there will be no one to fight on it if the regular army with the personnel (God forbid) ... shrink.

        It would be better if the MP does not revive the current GS (there isn’t enough money for “innovations” and “cuts” ...), this is National Security, and not “a curious and interesting experiment” ...
        For games with MP in all countries they unconditionally put to the wall.
  18. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 18 September 2012 16: 33
    0
    Invented beautifully, but in 2003 I was at the training camp for 45 days. Observed, how from drivers and others for 20 days of study (unrestrained drinking and household work) "learned" air gunners. At the same time, in ShMAS, they actually train 6 months for this flying specialty, then another 3 months in the regiment. I'm sure it will be the same for show. Again serdyukov and makarov "reinvent the wheel" damn it, why are they referring to the US experience? In Switzerland, the Armed Forces have been working for a long time according to the best system, there, during the day, "storerooms" become a real army, everyone has a standard small arms at home! And we don't even trust officers with personal weapons! Read the new edition of the "Charter of the Guard Service" - BOTH FULL, every sentry ready candidate for the prosecutor or in the cemetery!
  19. QWEST
    QWEST 18 September 2012 16: 34
    0
    my brother still found the time when there were so-called "partisans" and tore them off for six months! like this! think recourse
  20. bubla5
    bubla5 18 September 2012 16: 48
    0
    Madhouse, again the military registration and enlistment offices will turn the loot
  21. d.gksueyjd
    d.gksueyjd 18 September 2012 16: 48
    +1
    The main thing with the modern development of technology is the call (training), even three months a year is very small. In order to support (not learning), good shooting skills need to be done at least once a week and not for 3 rounds (projectiles, etc.). At the same time: the study of documents, charters, mathematical parts, physical training, medical training, special. training. etc. - as a result, prepared storage tanks will really only be zilch on paper
  22. Waroc
    Waroc 18 September 2012 17: 52
    +2
    Quote: volkan
    Waroc, well, let's say, as for state institutions, as well as municipal ones, then where will they go ... they will let go. As for private business, then some kind of tax benefit may well "appease" its owners. As for the "usefulness" of training reservists, then from them, firstly, no one will expect "great accomplishments" at the level of the active army (this is in principle impossible), and secondly, it all depends on the intensity and competent organization of training at the training camp. But again, this is clearly better than the current situation, when In fact, all mob plans are good only on paper, BUT they are absolutely not feasible, and there are many reasons for this.


    We will clarify right away that we are talking about a mobile reserve with the voluntary signing of a contract and receiving money for this (albeit small ones).

    Let’s let go of course in state institutions, of course, first, and then they will be fed up with it. Be sure to come up with something for yourself, or any exceptions or exceptions, or you can just arrange a person on sick leave (well, the inflammation of the left nostril has overtaken and that's it), on a business trip, you never know the formal reasons.
    Private traders - forcibly - yes, they will again let go of the odds, and then set the condition either-or (and for a simple worker it needs to rush between two fires - the funds paid are not worth it). And since it is planned to call often, even if only for a short time, it’s about the little case or two that we are talking about.
    And then what happens ?! - the reservist simply terminates the contract and is not steamed anymore.
    And there are comments about the fact that if the heads of organizations, private and not so, will interfere with the implementation of these decisions of the party, they will be brought to justice and with confiscation. I think here it is necessary to put on rose-colored glasses and moderate the ardor - this will not happen, none of them will be punished, in the worst case - a penny fine (which again will turn into a conscript's crap, because the authorities will not tolerate such setups and insults) and we again come to the result with the choice "either-or" and what do you think our reservist will choose.

    The system is not thought out - dreams and nothing more.
  23. Karabin
    Karabin 18 September 2012 19: 14
    0
    Something is not impressive as planned. I offer my (at the level of idea) vision of a solution to this problem. Increase the service life to 2 or 2,5 years. Summon for 1 year, then to the reserve. Then, every 3-4 years, conscription for 3-4 months to active units until the full service life is reached. Compensation for the loss of income in civilian life can be thought out. No "partisan formations" in the form of separate companies and platoons. Universal military service regardless of the position and property status. Exemption from military service in the presence of a family and two, and preferably three children. Thus, we will solve the problem with the replenishment of the army and the human mob reserve, we will improve the relationship among the conscripts. The issue with employers is easy to resolve. The absence of an employee for 3-4 months shall be considered an army tax for employers.
    1. mongoose
      mongoose 19 September 2012 08: 20
      0
      increase the service life? for conscripts? it is possible, but then it is necessary to absolutely change the status of those who have served. Personally, I am in favor of making an appeal voluntary, say 150 young people, first volunteers, then a lottery for conscripts (and the term of service is 000 years) who have served should receive absolute priority in education (abolition of "free" education for others (let them take loans or conclude contracts with employers, including the state) plus the civil service only for them (the police, the Ministry of Emergency Situations, the prosecutor's office, the bureaucracy (the concept of service includes not only military personnel, but also medical workers and other modern specialties, such as system administrators (but in the civil service for call), etc.
  24. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 18 September 2012 23: 41
    +1
    an interesting idea, I’ll go, the problem is not in money, but in real preparation, just hanging out with the broom as if it’s not hunting — if you need real reservists, you need a training program — and I’m pretty sure that many people who will go roughly 35 years to reservists for shaking - to run, jump to shoot and ride on technology, many will want even without money - the main voluntariness and the severity of the norms - if there is also an additional payment no one will refuse - we say made in the USSR and some words like HOMELAND AND CONSCIENCE for us, basically, it’s not an empty phrase;
    1. zadorin1974
      zadorin1974 19 September 2012 11: 35
      0
      I’ll add when adult men appear in the units, maybe the grandfather will quietly disappear, none of the old people will tolerate lawlessness next to him and young man will be taught faster by his father or older brother than someone else’s dork with kickshttp: //vk.com/video61670388_161602471? hd = -1 & t =