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Europe is preparing a new package of sanctions against Russia

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The European Union is preparing a new package of sanctions against Russia. The possible introduction of restrictive measures will be discussed today, December 13, 2021, by the foreign ministers of the EU countries at a meeting in Brussels.


According to a source in the EU Foreign Ministry, the main issues on the agenda will be Ukraine and Mali. That is, the foreign ministers of the EU countries will discuss the imposition of sanctions against Russia for the alleged "build-up" of military forces on the border with Ukraine, as well as for the actions of the Wagner PMC in Mali.

The issue of introducing restrictive measures against the Wagner PMC has been practically resolved; two meetings have already taken place on this issue in November and December, at which a positive decision was made. At today's meeting, the ministers will only confirm the inclusion of a number of individuals and legal entities related to PMCs in the EU's "black list".

It is not necessary to say that France was the initiator of the introduction of restrictions against the "Wagnerites", everyone already knows about this. The appearance on the territory of Mali, where the French for many years have tried to restore some order, of the fighters of the Wagner PMC, literally "blew up" Paris. Various accusations rained down on Moscow, the essence of which boiled down to one thing - the Russians are bad, they are not needed in Mali, in this country the owners are the French. As a result, it came to sanctions. Anyone who falls under them will be banned from entering the EU and banking services on its territory.

Well, the second, no less important topic for discussion is the introduction of sanctions against Russia for Ukraine. Here the situation is a little different, although there is no doubt that a positive decision will be made. The EU Foreign Ministers will discuss the introduction of restrictive measures against Russian individuals and legal entities, draw up lists, but will introduce them in the event of "aggressive" actions by Russia against Ukraine.

The new package will be additional, since Moscow has been under European sanctions since 2014, which are extended every six months.
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  1. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 13 December 2021 07: 57
    +30
    Moscow has been under European sanctions since 2014
    I'm a little freaking out ... There was a Nazi coup in Kiev, and there were sanctions against Russia! am
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 08: 01
      +10
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      Moscow has been under European sanctions since 2014
      I'm a little freaking out ... There was a Nazi coup in Kiev, and there were sanctions against Russia! am

      Yesterday I heard a good phrase on TV
      We survived the 90s, and they, naive, scare us with sanctions.
      And it’s true. And the sanctions somehow only invigorate ...
      1. Civil
        Civil 13 December 2021 08: 24
        +8
        Europe is preparing a new package of sanctions against Russia

        Yes, let us tighten our belts, not in the first place for the sake of the state to live in poverty, the main thing is to answer these NATO and the Geyropets with our pride. But seriously, it's time for us to give an intelligible answer to such actions.
        1. SKVichyakow
          SKVichyakow 13 December 2021 10: 48
          -8
          Quote: Civil
          Europe is preparing a new package of sanctions against Russia

          Yes, let us tighten our belts, not in the first place for the sake of the state to live in poverty, the main thing is to answer these NATO and the Geyropets with our pride. But seriously, it's time for us to give an intelligible answer to such actions.

          And what is the answer we are able to give to Europe, I wonder?
          1. Civil
            Civil 13 December 2021 10: 56
            -1
            Quote: SKVichyakow
            And what is the answer we are able to give to Europe, I wonder?

            We will build even more gas pipelines ... in the PRC.
            1. SKVichyakow
              SKVichyakow 13 December 2021 11: 16
              -5
              Quote: Civil
              Quote: SKVichyakow
              And what is the answer we are able to give to Europe, I wonder?

              We will build even more gas pipelines ... in the PRC.

              This is a very distant prospect, reminiscent of our subsequent US response to the seizure of our diplomatic property in 2017. Don't you remember?
              1. Nyrobsky
                Nyrobsky 13 December 2021 12: 04
                +3
                Quote: SKVichyakow
                This is a very distant prospect, reminiscent of our subsequent US response to the seizure of our diplomatic property in 2017. Don't you remember?

                For the seizure of the diplomatic property of Russia in the United States, the mattresses, as "alaverdy", were deprived of their diplomatic property in Russia, namely, the warehouse on the street. Road in Moscow and embassy dachas in Serebryany Bor.
                1. SKVichyakow
                  SKVichyakow 13 December 2021 12: 19
                  -2
                  Quote: Nyrobsky
                  Quote: SKVichyakow
                  This is a very distant prospect, reminiscent of our subsequent US response to the seizure of our diplomatic property in 2017. Don't you remember?

                  For the seizure of the diplomatic property of Russia in the United States, the mattresses, as "alaverdy", were deprived of their diplomatic property in Russia, namely, the warehouse on the street. Road in Moscow and embassy dachas in Serebryany Bor.

                  And they rented these warehouses and state. dachas, or acquired ownership, don't you remember?
                  1. Nyrobsky
                    Nyrobsky 13 December 2021 12: 36
                    0
                    Quote: SKVichyakow
                    And they rented these warehouses and state. dachas, or acquired ownership, don't you remember?

                    The question is interesting, but I don’t know about the status of the objects.
                    1. SKVichyakow
                      SKVichyakow 13 December 2021 12: 45
                      -3
                      Quote: Nyrobsky
                      Quote: SKVichyakow
                      And they rented these warehouses and state. dachas, or acquired ownership, don't you remember?

                      The question is interesting, but I don’t know about the status of the objects.

                      The question was purely rhetorical. Rent. It is not for nothing that Russia has still not answered anything, but only raises the question of returning its diplomatic property for so many years. I don’t like it either, but I’m not the root cause, you’re at the wrong address.
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                      2. Tatyana
                        Tatyana 13 December 2021 13: 17
                        +1
                        The new package of sanctions against Russia will be additional, since Moscow has been under European sanctions since 2014, which are extended every six months.
                        First of all, you need to understand that the EU itself is an American inter-Atlantic globalist US COLONIAL project.
                        The bourgeois coup d'etat in the USSR with the collapse of the USSR and the collapse of the Warsaw Pact countries even under Gorbachev and Yeltsin in the late 1980s and 1990s is also a colonial American-globalist project against our country.
                        Sanctions against Russia are a colonial way of external control of Russia by the United States and the "collective West" subordinate to the United States. Russia needs to fight against this.
                        Therefore, Russia, as a gradual way out of its colonial dependence on the United States and the "collective Zap", must apply RESPONSE sanctions. What and how?

                        Well, for example. Russia can start by changing the Fiscal Rule recommended to Russia by the IMF (the US financial structure) in its favor, before abandoning it altogether.
                        Katasonov - at one time - explained the essence of this "Budgetary rule" as follows.
                        The budget rule is as follows.
                        The price of black gold (oil) is now about $ 70. Cutoff price $ 40.
                        Roughly half of that $ 40 is to cover production and transportation costs. This means that it turns out that $ 40/2 = $ 20 goes to the Russian budget, and $ 70 - $ 40 = $ 30 goes to the American budget.
                        Those. it turns out that the budget rule is actually a determination in proportions of what part of the export of Russian black gold serves the budget of the Russian Federation and what part of it serves the budget of the United States.
                        It turns out that the American budget from the export of Russian black gold is served 1,5 times more than the Russian budget.
                        Here's the colonial model!
                      3. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 13 December 2021 17: 13
                        0
                        Quote: SKVichyakow
                        The question was purely rhetorical ....... I don't like it either, but I'm not the root cause,minus the wrong address.
                        stop A wordless statement, since I did not mark with minuses in your comments, since they are more interrogative and at the same time uninformative, and therefore there is nothing to evaluate. Minus is good when a person is talking nonsense and at the same time ignores any argumentation yes
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        2. vervolk
          vervolk 13 December 2021 16: 20
          -2
          Oh, about poverty, then this is to you in Saloreikh, they will yell there, they will understand)
      2. military_cat
        military_cat 13 December 2021 08: 31
        -2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Yesterday I heard a good phrase on TV
        We survived the 90s, and they, naive, scare us with sanctions.
        And it’s true. And the sanctions somehow only invigorate ...

        As if I got to 2014, nostalgia.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 09: 03
          +2
          Quote: military_cat
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Yesterday I heard a good phrase on TV
          We survived the 90s, and they, naive, scare us with sanctions.
          And it’s true. And the sanctions somehow only invigorate ...

          As if I got to 2014, nostalgia.

          Yes, it’s probably too early to be nostalgic. In 20 years we will be able to assess 2014, not earlier.
          The 90th can already be assessed - and it is unambiguous: "God forbid again !!!"
          The Soviet era can be assessed. Somewhere and nostalgia is not a sin. For a pioneer camp, for example, for a New Year's tree at the Palace of Culture, for free sports sections for boys in all sports.

          And it's too early to judge 2014, in my opinion. Although one thing is already clear - the one who thinks up and introduces sanctions against Russia knows NOTHING either about Russia or about us. I would have known that I would not have introduced sanctions, but would have sent "Bush's legs" free of charge. If he really wanted to harm our economy and people. He would not disconnect us from different SWIFTs, but would fight hysterically - if only we took more loans from the IMF. Well, that means that this is their level of "experts" on Russia ...
          1. Egoza
            Egoza 13 December 2021 09: 26
            0
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Well, that means that this is their level of "experts" on Russia.

            So they judge by themselves. For them, "sanctions" are AH! And for us - WHAT. But what if the Russian Federation imposes sanctions? Refuses to make purchases over the hill? Who will howl then? )))
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 09: 39
              +4
              Quote: Egoza
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Well, that means that this is their level of "experts" on Russia.

              So they judge by themselves. For them, "sanctions" are AH! And for us - WHAT. But what if the Russian Federation imposes sanctions? Refuses to make purchases over the hill? Who will howl then? )))

              The United States recognized Soviet Russia only in 1933. And the construction of the Dnieper Hydroelectric Power Station began 6 years earlier, in 1927. In 1932, the first unit was already commissioned. And what do you think, whose hydraulic turbines were installed at DneproHES? I was stunned - American ... General Electric ...
              Nothing bothers them. And so are we. All these sanctions are a talk in favor of the poor. Let Ukraine with its new "brothers" - Poles and Tribalts, rejoice.
              1. military_cat
                military_cat 13 December 2021 10: 44
                -1
                Rogozin, for example, does not share your opinion.

                Rogozin: Roscosmos cannot launch a number of satellites due to sanctions
                Rogozin: Roscosmos has lost several contracts due to sanctions
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 10: 46
                  -2
                  Quote: military_cat
                  Rogozin: Roscosmos cannot launch a number of satellites due to sanctions
                  Rogozin: Roscosmos has lost several contracts due to sanctions

                  And let him not confuse your coat with the state Roskosmos with you.
            2. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 13 December 2021 12: 15
              +3
              Quote: Egoza
              Quote: Zoldat_A
              Well, that means that this is their level of "experts" on Russia.

              So they judge by themselves. For them, "sanctions" are AH! And for us - WHAT. But what if the Russian Federation imposes sanctions? Refuses to make purchases over the hill? Who will howl then? )))

              They resemble those mice that prick their entire muzzle into the blood and continue to gnaw a cactus bursting into tears. Due to sanctions and counter-sanctions against Russia due to Ukraine, Europe has already lost more than 110 billion euros and thousands of jobs. All right, Europe would have had something from Ukraine that would cover the losses and give at least 1 euro of profit, but no, they "work" at a loss. The paradox also lies in the fact that to support the junta's pants, they still have to pay extra for the kueva in the form of loans. request
      3. MikhailRus
        MikhailRus 13 December 2021 08: 41
        +6
        Whom do they invigorate? Ordinary people will suffer. And who is used to eating from the belly, he will eat under any sanctions
        1. Volder
          Volder 13 December 2021 09: 12
          +2
          Quote: MikhailRus
          Ordinary people will suffer.
          Are you suffering from sanctions? Ordinary people have nothing to do in the European Union, let alone use banking services there. We must not forget that sanctions are being introduced not against ordinary citizens, but against officials and business-rich people. But since they are patriots, they probably do not care about Western sanctions. Or not?
          1. faiver
            faiver 13 December 2021 10: 13
            -2
            Are you suffering from sanctions? Ordinary people have nothing to do in the European Union, and even more so to use banking services there.
            - very funny, what does the trip to the EU and their banking services have to do with it?
            The Russian Federation is an import-dependent country in all respects, respectively, the level of income of citizens and the purchasing power of the population depends on the exchange rate of the national currency against the dollar and euro. Further, in my opinion, it is not required to continue the thought, everything is clear anyway ...
          2. Stas157
            Stas157 13 December 2021 10: 34
            0
            Quote: Volder
            You suffer from sanctions?

            You have probably not entered the store for a long time. Since 2014 for sure!
          3. aslan balayev
            aslan balayev 13 December 2021 12: 27
            -1
            In my opinion, it is precisely patriotism that the Russian elite lacks. For the past 300 years, it has always looked west. Namely, to the west of Europe. A good half of the elite was from there. Until the beginning of the last century. Try to read Eugene Onegin. Without a dictionary. That is it. Much from there. But what can I say, if the entire elite spoke French, German, and today they do not neglect English. True, in the last 30 years they have been looking even further west of Europe. This is what they scare her with. After all, if you have no interests there, then it is not possible to blackmail you with some kind of sanctions. Let's take Rottenberg. Where is he from? Surely from Rotterdam laughing
          4. MikhailRus
            MikhailRus 13 December 2021 14: 45
            -3
            We don't drive. We do not have accounts there, houses. Do you know who has? So they will suffer. And since our authorities are very kind to those who support it, they will help them. This means that someone will increase taxes and fines. In short, the average person will suffer.
        2. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 09: 18
          +5
          Quote: MikhailRus
          Whom do they invigorate? Ordinary people will suffer. And who is used to eating from the belly, he will eat under any sanctions

          Me, for example.

          In the 90s, without sanctions, with a rampant democracy, Turks, Swedes were building here, someone came from Yugoslavia (I don’t know where exactly), Italians noted. And now I build and the same as me.

          In the 90s, without sanctions, with a rampant democracy, my army friend lived in a depressive dying collective farm, and now he is the general director of an agricultural holding and people come to him 500-1000 kilometers to live and work. The queue is standing. He feeds a quarter of his area with beef.

          And to eat from the belly ... So those leeches sooner or later, for some reason, find themselves in London. As you know, "There is no extradition from London." And me and here live and work normally.

          There is, however, an essential point. To live a normal life here, and not in London, you need not to work. You need to SMOOTH.
          Whoever does not understand this, either goes to the liberals, or quietly lies on the sofa and cries: "What poor, unfortunate we are, others eat and drink sweetly, and no one will regret us." The difference is that the former eat and drink for grants, while the latter die on their couch in poverty.
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            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 10: 12
              +2
              Quote: Krasnoyarsk
              And you didn’t ask yourself a question - why, in order to live normally, you have to POOL and not WORK normally?

              Didn't ask.
              Because my great-grandfather, grandfather, father - they fought when necessary, and the rest of the time PAKHALI. And I'm so used to it. When you do your own thing, which you studied, which you like, then you like to POOL.

              I cannot live differently. Now it is not the first month in the hospital - I am stupid from idleness. Especially at first, when I had more plaster of paris and iron and could not move at all.
              1. Krasnoyarsk
                Krasnoyarsk 13 December 2021 10: 45
                +2
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                the rest of the time PAHALI. And I'm so used to it. When you do your own thing, which you studied, which you like, then you like to POOL.

                Then we have different concepts of the word "plow".
                When a job is pleasant, it is not a burden, it is a pleasure.
                And why do they say - "plow" when it is necessary to emphasize the severity of the work performed? Have you tried to plow the land with a horse? For an inexperienced person who cannot do this, this is very hard work, in terms of physical exertion. Plus the monotony, monotony of work. That is why - the monotony of work with great physical exertion is usually denoted by the word - to plow. This is my personal and, not necessarily correct, understanding of this word. hi
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 11: 04
                  +3
                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  Have you tried plowing the land with a horse?

                  I tried it. As a child, with his grandfather in the village. And elm firewood (there is a steppe - birch, and, moreover, an oak - only in the most prosperous ones) in 10 years chopped, and dragged water from a well.

                  Quote: Krasnoyarsk
                  And why do they say - "plow" when it is necessary to emphasize the severity of the work performed?

                  Because they "work" from 8 to 17 and one thought in my head - "the day would be over as soon as possible." On the principle "never put off until tomorrow what you can do the day after tomorrow."

                  And they "plow" irregularly, as much as necessary. They plow not for the salary, but for the result. And there will be a result - and the salary will be such that it will please. All my subordinates know my principles and with an awl in the train .... I don't have to push anyone.

                  This is how my father raised me, I live this way and expect the same from others. Do not want? Go to where they "work". Or my trademark - "Go sell oil."
              2. expert
                expert 15 December 2021 01: 45
                +1
                Dear Zoldat_A, I fully support you!
                A lot has been written and said that in the early 90s Russia, the economy, the people of the country were thrown to a level in a certain comparison, as after the Great War.
                And so, in order to rise, again to be self-sufficient and respected, you need to POOL.
                In miniature, I experienced it myself. 27 years ago I found myself in a foreign country, practically without money, without sufficient knowledge of the language, with responsibility to my wife and little daughter.
                I realized that in order to be appreciated and respected as a local, I need to POOL 4, 5 times more than they do. For the first 15 years, I didn't have any days off or vacations. The family's well-being hung in the balance. And I PAKHAL.
                Today my local colleagues are not only enthusiastic about the result of my PAHOTA, they think that probably all Russians are like that. There are no barriers for us. And my family replaced my beloved, disappeared homeland. I now live for her, well, I don’t forget myself, I continue to work. Work and plowing has always been a favorite.
                And I wish you a speedy and complete recovery.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 15 December 2021 03: 53
                  +1
                  Thanks for the wish of health. Nothing, I'll get out. Twice doctors pulled me out of the other world (once in preschool age, in an arc in the army) - and now I’ll get out. The worst is over. Now the question to myself is no longer "will I go or not," but "when, finally, I will return to work and to the gym. The attending physician twists his finger at my temple, when I dream that by summer, in good weather, I will , as usual, to run every morning. And I will.
                  Quote: Fachmann
                  Today my local colleagues are not only enthusiastic about the result of my PAHOTA, they think that probably all Russians are like that.
                  I have not lived in the world for 10 years either, and I know that not all Russians can, and, most importantly, love to plow. Unfortunately. But, fortunately, I myself can choose who will work with me. In our industry, they know at home that my company has good salaries, but not everyone can stand it. Some say that such work is not needed for any money. I leave without regret. Although - this is me here, in the comments, hit the terminology - "work", "plow" ... I just live like this. Father taught me. And therefore (remembering the topic of discussion) - any sanctions are uninteresting and ridiculous to me. Do not give loans? So I don’t take them. If I have money, I buy new equipment, tools (I am an instrumental maniac, colleagues from other firms envy my men when they find out what kind of power tool they use, for example). No money - I take new objects to have money. The main thing is that in my city, when I am not in a hurry to go anywhere, I am bursting with the fact that I constantly stumble upon what I put my hands on. This is something that slightly bursts pleasantly somewhere in the solar plexus region.
          2. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 13 December 2021 10: 54
            +3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            In the 90s, without sanctions, with a rampant democracy ...

            Dear Igor, tell me please, where did you see democracy in the 90s? In your opinion, the manifestation of democracy is expressed in the shooting of parliament, in contempt for the will of the people, who spoke in favor of preserving the USSR, in rampant crime and "protection" of criminals by the power structures, in criminal privatization, in confiscating their savings from citizens? Is this democracy? Democracy is the power of the majority of the population, it is the election of governing structures, judges, etc., it is an opportunity to recall them if they do not cope with their duties or have become snickering, stolen, equality of all before the law, etc. We have not and did not have any democracy, for the last 30 years, that's for sure. We came closest to true democracy, at the dawn of Soviet power, when there were Soviets of People's Deputies, when the elections of deputies were carried out directly by labor collectives, when these same labor collectives could recall these deputies. And the country had corresponding successes then.
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            To live a normal life here, and not in London, you need not to work. You need to SMOOTH.

            I completely agree with you here, but you forget that the starting conditions for each family (person) are different. How to get out (for example) from poverty, a mother with many children with a disabled husband? Or a single mother? Or village families with many children, who have not received a good education, who do not have the initial funds to raise their economy? We do not have many whiners in the country, then more and more "office hamsters", in big cities, in the outback, whiners do not survive. Only now it becomes more and more difficult to survive.
            1. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 11: 28
              +4
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              tell me please, where did you see democracy in the 90s?

              The Sverdlovsky Drunkard, Gaidarushka and the Red Thief told us all this according to the American training manual. That is why I said, if you, Alexey, have read carefully, not "democracy", but "rampant democracy."
              Quote: aleksejkabanets
              starting conditions for each family (person) are different
              In the early 90s, my family did not have any starting conditions. The father, who was pulled out of his native army for rejection of the new "democracy", with the oral formulation "you already have two pensions of service," and the written formulation "for reduction." He has no profession except war. I'm after the army, a student. Sister in high school. Mom is a teacher-philologist at the university. My father's pension is enough to go to the market once to buy groceries, to take food for a week. I have a scholarship for a gym membership, I rode a Start-Highway bike to the institute for free. In winter, if the road is really bad, running is also useful. Mom's salary at the institute for a month is like a cleaning lady in a bank for a week.

              Don't you feel sorry for me yet?

              So we did not feel sorry for ourselves. We studied and worked. Occasionally we rested. As a result, we have what we have - a normal life and the opportunity not only not to think about the fact that I have a family tomorrow, but also, for example, where to get money for gasoline for my Toyota or how to pay an annual contribution to the HOA of a cottage village.

              Only now it becomes more and more difficult to survive.
              There are no desperate situations. There are either desperate or lazy people.
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 13 December 2021 11: 59
                +1
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                The Sverdlovsky Drunkard, Gaidarushka and the Red Thief told us all this according to the American training manual.

                This is yes!
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Interestingly, those "democrats" only deceived us, or did they themselves also believe in "democracy" and the "mighty hand of the market"?

                Why do they need it, the main thing is that people believe.)))))
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Don't you feel sorry for me yet?

                Yes, we are all like that.))) I started from scratch (panties, watches) the same several times. the first time - a divorce, the second time an unsuccessful move (a scam with documents), and then a fire. However, with age it becomes more and more difficult.))))
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                And they "plow" irregularly, as much as necessary. They plow not for the salary, but for the result. And there will be a result - and the salary will be such that it will please.

                You see, what is the main problem today, in my opinion, is that a person (at most enterprises) is alienated from the results of his labor, therefore it becomes not interesting to work and in most cases is not profitable. For example, I try to work "for myself", small business is the same "so-so" pleasure, however, it is often interesting and you see the result of your work.
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 16: 10
                  +2
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  a person (at most enterprises) is alienated from the results of his labor, therefore, it becomes not interesting to work and in most cases is not profitable. For example, I try to work "for myself", small business is the same "so-so" pleasure, however, it is often interesting and you see the result of your work.

                  I was lucky in this respect. I have one place of work - a company that my father created, in which I started as a high-altitude installer after a construction institute and which I headed after my father's death. And I do what I love - from childhood I received it in the neck from my grandfather in the village for the fact that, while he was at work, I would pull the tool out of the barn through the window, saw the boards he needed, and in the corner of the yard I would build some kind of chalabuda, inside which you can sit with a friend and play "throw-in". Favorite childhood toy - some kind of "Constructor". I've been doing this all my life. Apparently, as a child, he did not play enough. But it's nice not even when you rent a new house, but when in a year or two you drive by, and there are people, dogs, cars - life. And so it coincided, thanks to my father, that it also brings some money. The son was small, I often took him to work with me. We're driving around the city - it's nice to poke a finger every now and then, "But this is what my grandfather and I were building" ...
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 11: 34
              +2
              I feel that a "minus" has been slapped into you by a true democrat, confident that only the complete collapse of the 90s could lead to today's prosperity. About 98, of course. Interestingly, those "democrats" only deceived us, or did they themselves also believe in "democracy" and the "mighty hand of the market"?
              1. alekseykabanets
                alekseykabanets 13 December 2021 11: 44
                +1
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                I feel that a "minus" was slapped into you by a true democrat, confident that only the complete collapse of the 90s could lead to today's prosperity.

                And Olgovich most likely slapped this to me, we are in opposition.))))
                1. Zoldat_A
                  Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 16: 12
                  +1
                  Quote: aleksejkabanets
                  Quote: Zoldat_A
                  I feel that a "minus" was slapped into you by a true democrat, confident that only the complete collapse of the 90s could lead to today's prosperity.

                  And Olgovich most likely slapped this to me, we are in opposition.))))

                  Let's equalize. drinks
        3. K-50
          K-50 13 December 2021 09: 46
          +3
          Quote: MikhailRus
          Ordinary people will suffer

          Describe how it will be expressed. Announce the entire list, plzhlsta. (With) lol lol
          1. Zoldat_A
            Zoldat_A 13 December 2021 10: 50
            +2
            Quote: K-50
            Quote: MikhailRus
            Ordinary people will suffer

            Describe how it will be expressed. Announce the entire list, plzhlsta. (With) lol lol

            I don’t know for sure, I have never suffered from sanctions, but, probably, somehow it should be so ... crying
            1. military_cat
              military_cat 13 December 2021 10: 59
              +1
              It also happens like this:

            2. MikhailRus
              MikhailRus 13 December 2021 14: 50
              -3
              Raising the retirement age to begin with. If it goes on like this, then they will whip for another 5 years. Few? And numerous laws, extortions, fines and taxes aimed only at depriving people of an extra ruble.
          2. alekseykabanets
            alekseykabanets 13 December 2021 12: 17
            -3
            Quote: K-50
            Describe how it will be expressed. Announce the entire list, plzhlsta.

            First of all, in the fall in the standard of living of ordinary people. Do you think those in power will limit their spending? Look how the standard of living of the population has dropped since 2014 (I do not assess whether it was necessary to take Crimea or not). Yogurt, for example, cost 6 rubles, and now it costs 24 rubles. etc. Has the salary increased by the same amount? But the most important thing is the critical dependence on imports. Starting from the seeds and ending with the computer from which you write comments.
      4. Pereira
        Pereira 13 December 2021 09: 01
        +7
        Covidlo and its related problems worry me much more than sanctions.
    2. Region-25.rus
      Region-25.rus 13 December 2021 08: 05
      +8
      I'm a little crazy ..
      and what is there to go nuts? To paraphrase the famous saying - "Yes. Nazi! But he is our Nazi!" And weren't our overseas "partners" at one time taking out the Nazis with "rat paths" and covering them up at home?
    3. Alexander X
      Alexander X 13 December 2021 08: 06
      +9
      a little freaking out ... Kiev was a Nazi coup, and sanctions against Russia
      The meaning of all the actions of Russia's enemies when imposing sanctions is an attempt by all means to weaken the Russian economy, the army, to harm wherever possible. This is the conduct of an undeclared war. Like a flock of stray dogs, surrounding Russia, they try to bite from all sides. And the purpose of the actions is one - an attempt to establish their control over Russia.
    4. Lech from Android.
      Lech from Android. 13 December 2021 08: 13
      +8
      These are the new trends of the times in the EU ... Russia, by definition, is made guilty of any incident ...
      the Russians are to blame for the disappearance of the underwater cable ... the sanctions for them ... Biden fell on the plane's ladder Putin is to blame again the sanctions were imposed on Russia ... emigrants across the Polish border are torn unambiguously the bloody gebnya is to blame ... just in case, we will impose new sanctions on Russia.
      Brothers, we are definitely lucky with the sanctions ... we will live with them forever.
      Isn't it time for us to learn how to properly apply our sanctions against Russophobes of all stripes and to promote it as widely as possible in all media?
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 13 December 2021 08: 17
        +5
        Quote: Lech from Android.
        Russia, by definition, is made guilty of any incident ...

        And the most offensive thing is that there is no answer for "our partners"! Only the statement of Lavrov said in the hearts!
        1. Lech from Android.
          Lech from Android. 13 December 2021 09: 07
          +3
          Well, this is fixable ... if you put a politically competent propagandist in the Ministry of Communications and Roskomnadzor.
          Each time it is necessary to promote the weaknesses in the US and the EU ... and put pressure on them every day and with pleasure ... turning this process into torment for Russia's opponents.
          Well, for example, turn Assange into a martyr of freedom of speech and call to account at all levels of the satraps and stranglers of freedom in England and the United States.
          Freedom for Assange ... down with English justice oppressing free journalists ... down with the despotism of the Anglo-Saxons ... and then in a similar spirit.
          1. military_cat
            military_cat 13 December 2021 10: 51
            -1
            Quote: Lech from Android.
            Well, for example, turn Assange into a martyr of freedom of speech and call to account at all levels of the satraps and stranglers of freedom in England and the United States.
            Freedom for Assange ... down with English justice oppressing free journalists ... down with the despotism of the Anglo-Saxons ... and then in a similar spirit.

            This is how we learned it. But there is still no happiness.
        2. Volder
          Volder 13 December 2021 09: 16
          +1
          Quote: Uncle Lee
          there is no answer for "our partners"!
          Our partners are businessmen and investors who have nothing to do with sanctions. It is foolish to sever ties with partners for the sake of a political response. Russia cannot harm itself.
    5. Serg Kam
      Serg Kam 13 December 2021 08: 18
      +7
      There was a Nazi coup in Kiev

      How did the Kremlin help the legitimate government?
      Oh, yes, the Kremlin has officially recognized Poroshenko as the legitimate president.

      The head of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs of the Russian Federation, Sergei Lavrov, said that Russia recognized Petro Poroshenko as the president of Ukraine. "We recognized, as you know, President Poroshenko, and we very much hope that President Poroshenko will use the mandate of trust that he received with all the nuances of the elections that took place in Ukraine on May 25."
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 13 December 2021 08: 26
        +8
        Quote: SergKam
        Russia recognized Petro Poroshenko as the President of Ukraine.
        And Putin said that as long as there is no blood on Poroshenko, he can stop the war in Donbass, started by the "bloody pastor" ... It didn't work out. What gunpowder, what Ze, worthy successors of his work ...
        1. Serg Kam
          Serg Kam 13 December 2021 08: 40
          +2
          Did not work out. What gunpowder, what Ze, worthy successors of his work ...

          What prevented the support of the legitimate government?
          Why was no support given to the legitimate president?
          Why was it necessary
          to officially recognize the Nazi coup?
          1. K-50
            K-50 13 December 2021 09: 58
            +1
            Quote: SergKam
            What prevented the support of the legitimate government?

            What? belay belay
            Send troops? It was the choice of the people of Ukraine, at that time a CONSCIOUS choice. How could Russia intervene to change the situation? And what legal basis did we have for this?
            These Naglosskians can simply start bombing and shelling, Russia is out of place, under any "sauce". All the "dogs" would be let down on us, and so Russia is to blame for everything. It seems to be "seven troubles, one answer", but all the same, if the troubles are less, then it is somehow more comfortable, or something.
          2. Glory1974
            Glory1974 13 December 2021 09: 58
            +1
            What prevented the support of the legitimate government?
            Why was no support given to the legitimate president?

            As far as I understand, Yanukovych turned out to be not an eagle, and refused to fight for power. For the image, he demanded that Russia give Crimea back to Ukraine and then he is ready to return "the winner". There was no one to support.
            Why was it necessary
            to officially recognize the Nazi coup?

            I agree here. Once again, the Europeans deceived Putin, promised something and did not fulfill it. You had to look deeper and leave yourself room for maneuver.
    6. Andrey VOV
      Andrey VOV 13 December 2021 08: 24
      -1
      They think differently, that there are some kind of democratic forces, not Nazis ... Honestly, these gay Europeans got it
    7. Ros 56
      Ros 56 13 December 2021 08: 25
      +3
      Why's that? The coup in Banderostan was staged under the leadership of the striped ones, Geyropa lies under the striped ones. Can't you add two and two?
      1. prior
        prior 13 December 2021 09: 35
        +1
        Frog-eaters!
        You still haven't answered for the fire in Moscow in 1812. am
    8. svp67
      svp67 13 December 2021 10: 11
      +6
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      I'm freaking out a little ...

      Wait to do this. Tomorrow, that is, 14.12 .. everything will become even more "wonderful" ... The EU decided to fight gas prices with "new" measures. Tomorrow they will decide the issue of prohibiting non-European companies from supplying gas, read Gazprom to have its own underground gas storage facilities in the EU, while Gazprom has five of them and, if necessary, it was from them that increased gas supplies went ...
      1. Uncle lee
        Uncle lee 13 December 2021 10: 14
        +1
        Quote: svp67
        even more "wonderful".

        I have no doubt about it! hi
    9. Hagen
      Hagen 13 December 2021 12: 09
      0
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      I'm a little freaking out ... There was a Nazi coup in Kiev, and there were sanctions against Russia!

      I don’t understand why you are freaking out ?! The coup in Ukraine was aimed against Russia from the outset. And the current sanctions are being imposed on Russia because this coup did not have the proper impact on Russia. The coup, sanctions, the downed Boeing, the war in the Donbass, and so on - these are all links in the same chain, t.s. events of the same plan. These are ways of influencing Russia in order to change the vector of development of the country and the same Putin, who is so unloved by many of those present here. And it is here that we just need to ask ourselves the questions - who is with whom, and for whom?
    10. bayard
      bayard 13 December 2021 12: 36
      0
      Quote: Uncle Lee
      I'm a little freaking out ... There was a Nazi coup in Kiev, and there were sanctions against Russia!

      So, under the leadership of the Euro-Nazis, that coup was carried out. For that and sanctions on Russia. The round with the USA is over, now Europe has entered the battle. And the fact that a French investor comes out of the Arctic projects is one of the blows from this fighter.
      1. Osipov9391
        Osipov9391 13 December 2021 14: 57
        0
        Yesterday Solovyov was broadcasting and said that the problem of Donbass is a purely Ukrainian problem and it depends on Ukraine what and how will happen to the region. Well, he said that Ukraine should talk privately with Donbass on what conditions it will remain a part of it.
        Russia has nothing to do with it, it is not a party to the conflict. Well, this is how he supported and quoted Peskov. That I am not me and the house is not mine.
        Let Ukraine negotiate with Donbass itself.
        1. bayard
          bayard 13 December 2021 15: 50
          0
          People never lie so much as after fishing and during the war.
          They scared each other and decided to leave everything as it is ... and continued preparations.
          Frost has not yet risen, the ground is not frozen.
          All the fun is yet to come.

          Ukraine, this is the "Gordian knot" or a cancerous tumor - it will not dissolve and will not untie itself.
          1. Osipov9391
            Osipov9391 13 December 2021 17: 48
            0
            Soloviev is also an oligarch, not an oil one, so a media one. And real estate in the West has. He will say the opposite. They are all like that there.
            Putin said about the CIA officers that under Yeltsin they sat everywhere as advisers in the government. It was a long time ago and there are no more of them.
            But did they not leave behind a rich and poisonous legacy that is preserved and works for them to this day?
            1. bayard
              bayard 13 December 2021 18: 54
              0
              Ukraine urgently needs to repaint itself in Kievan Rus and bake loaves to meet the liberators.
              And immediately there will be gas.
              And coal.
              And even some will be forgiven for their quickness.
              The West made the same mistake as in 1999, when they encroached on the property of the new owners of the Russian Federation ... And already in these conditions, the existence of the rabid Krajina-U becomes intolerable.
              And there are plenty of spies everywhere. They are like cockroaches - indestructible.
              1. Osipov9391
                Osipov9391 13 December 2021 23: 54
                0
                That is, the legacy that Chubais's advisers left from America in the 90s can be preserved in some form wherever they are interested?
                After all, a spy not only collects data and fouls, he also involves local people in these processes.
                Yes it is possible and so that for decades to come ...
                1. bayard
                  bayard 14 December 2021 03: 51
                  0
                  Quote: Osipov9391
                  That is, the legacy that Chubais's advisers left from America in the 90s can be preserved in some form wherever they are interested?

                  Look at the unkillable Anatoly Borisovich, what care and funding he was surrounded by until his retirement (and he just retired) and realize that in Russia all the owners are his godchildren ... And the fact that "Chubais is to blame for everything." request Well, he has such a role.
                  Shouldn't the Family be assigned such a responsibility?
  2. Tagan
    Tagan 13 December 2021 08: 04
    +3
    The phantom pains of the colonialists.
  3. carstorm 11
    carstorm 11 13 December 2021 08: 06
    +5
    Well, you must at least somehow justify spending on your content. What would they do without constant fantasies on the topic Russia has conceived this, Russia will possibly do that?)))
  4. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 December 2021 08: 22
    +1
    A very excellent answer to the goodwill of the GDP. Maybe he will finally really look at them, and not through rose-colored glasses. fellow
  5. Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov
    Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov 13 December 2021 08: 24
    +1
    Europe is preparing a new package of sanctions against Russia

    ***
    They probably have migrants from Burkina Faso packing packages ...
    ***
  6. wandlitz
    wandlitz 13 December 2021 08: 26
    +7
    The weak seeks an excuse
    The strong seeks opportunities.

    By imposing sanctions on Russia, Europe justifies its actions.
    And Russia does not need to make excuses in return, saying that you are not trying to punish us for anything.
    We need to develop our economy, this is the best response to all their sanctions.
  7. APASUS
    APASUS 13 December 2021 08: 26
    +4
    Sanctions for what you haven't done yet? Well, just a masterpiece
  8. Mihail55
    Mihail55 13 December 2021 08: 54
    +2
    Quote: wandlitz
    We need to develop our economy, this is the best response to all their sanctions.

    Thank you!!! To the very point !!! And all this should be in action, not in words! While those are still alive who could pass on many times the accursed Soviet experience (only GALOSHI) - it's time to roll up our sleeves !!!
  9. cniza
    cniza 13 December 2021 08: 54
    +3
    The new package will be additional, since Moscow has been under European sanctions since 2014, which are extended every six months.


    Nothing new, we have lived for seven years and will continue to live, minding our own business ...
    1. Stas157
      Stas157 13 December 2021 10: 44
      0
      Quote: cniza
      Nothing new , we have lived for seven years and will continue to live

      Yes, how it sucks lived! If there will be another seven years of such "stability", it will be no laughing matter at all!
      This is despite the fact that our elite only adds billions. This is how any crisis is - a mother.
  10. Sergey39
    Sergey39 13 December 2021 08: 55
    +2
    Redirect gas and oil flows to Southwest Asia and impose sanctions on supplies to the EU. I would like to look at Them in such a situation!
    1. Galleon
      Galleon 13 December 2021 09: 55
      +1
      Quote: Sergey39
      Redirect gas and oil flows to Southwest Asia and impose sanctions on supplies to the EU. I would like to look at Them in such a situation!

      Calm down, comrade. You are carried away by thoughts on a global scale. If we send what you want there, South-West Asia will simply burst from this, and South-East will be left without the necessary resources. In the South-West of this, there is nowhere to go.
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 13 December 2021 11: 30
      -2
      You propose this to Putin, he is our guy's shirt, partners come first.
  11. Hindu
    Hindu 13 December 2021 09: 19
    +1
    Why should we be afraid? Well, it seems, sanctions are only good for us. Not?
  12. rocket757
    rocket757 13 December 2021 09: 21
    0
    Europe is preparing a new package of sanctions against Russia
    again, to discuss what is already all that is possible and not allowed has been said ...
    "the giraffe is big, he knows best," this is exactly what will have to be taken as it is.
  13. Fox_Fox
    Fox_Fox 13 December 2021 09: 23
    +1
    The sanctions have an effect only in the short term. In the end, other providers are found, or partial import substitution, and the European manufacturer is losing its place in the Russian market. All sanctions are imposed on the United States, the striped are thus trying to economically weaken Russia and at the same time destabilize Europe. And the European degenerates have not been able to understand this for many years.
    1. zwlad
      zwlad 13 December 2021 09: 29
      +2
      All sanctions are imposed on the United States, the striped are thus trying to economically weaken Russia and at the same time destabilize Europe.

      I would swap two words in this sentence to make it
      All sanctions are imposed on the United States, the striped are thus trying to economically weaken Europe and at the same time destabilize Russia.

      It seems to me that it is more correct.
      1. Fox_Fox
        Fox_Fox 13 December 2021 09: 32
        +1
        weaken Europe economically

        I'm embarrassed to ask, and for what shishi then Europe will buy the F35 smile
        1. zwlad
          zwlad 13 December 2021 09: 33
          +3
          For a loan issued by the Americans.
  14. Soldatov V.
    Soldatov V. 13 December 2021 09: 24
    +1
    In general, who is Mali and why does Russia need it? can anyone really explain? request soldier
  15. zwlad
    zwlad 13 December 2021 09: 27
    +3
    The European Union is preparing a new package of sanctions against Russia. The possible introduction of restrictive measures will be discussed today, December 13, 2021, by the foreign ministers of the EU countries at a meeting in Brussels.

    Gas at $ 1500 apparently has not yet brought into the consciousness of European politicians.
    I think the Americans, too, will not be strongly against the gas price of $ 3000.
  16. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 13 December 2021 09: 27
    +1
    I'm afraid Mali is just the beginning.
    Yesterday, the chairman of the Supreme State Council of Libya, Khaled al-Mishri, announced the presence of 7000 Wagnerians in his country:
    They also dig trenches in Sirte and Kufra. They have 30 jets at Gardabia airbases.


    Next, will go CAR, Sudan, Mozambique, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Madagascar, Zimbabwe and Angola ...
  17. prior
    prior 13 December 2021 09: 41
    +5
    Putin.
    It's time to respond to European sanctions.
    Make them pay for Russian oil and gas with Russian rubles.
    Now is the right time ...
  18. K-50
    K-50 13 December 2021 09: 42
    +2
    EU foreign ministers will discuss the imposition of sanctions against Russia for the alleged "build-up" of military forces on the border with Ukraine, as well as for the actions of PMC "Wagner" in Mali.

    All this is nonsense !. The whole "need" for the gay experience and pinpoint of sanctions is to slow down the economic development of the countries to which they are applied. For they can lose in another way. And to choose a pretext ...
    No one can compare with the West in this that test tubes "with a chemical warfare agent at the UN Summit" (just imagine how much screeching it would have been if someone had brought there, not from the crap, a chemical warfare agent, at least the country of these delegates would have received an "eternal ban" to the meetings, and they were nothing, carried lol ) that genocide of frogs in a nearby swamp. They can invent any reason, only the goal is always the same - to prevent economic development.
  19. Alecsandr
    Alecsandr 13 December 2021 09: 50
    +1
    Scho ..... Again! Well, just like children. "Churchill invented it all in XNUMX!"
  20. tihonmarine
    tihonmarine 13 December 2021 09: 52
    +2
    That is, the foreign ministers of the EU countries will discuss the imposition of sanctions against Russia for the alleged "build-up" of military forces on the border with Ukraine

    So it’s time for Europe to decide with whom to live, trade, be friends - with Russia, which has natural resources, economy and industry, or with Ukraine, which has nothing but debts and loans (or have not all of the Ukrainian lands been bought up yet?)
  21. German
    German 13 December 2021 11: 31
    -1
    "You are only to blame for
    What do I want to eat "!
  22. Siberian-1
    Siberian-1 13 December 2021 13: 03
    0
    Isn't it time, for every new imposition of sanctions, to respond by reducing the pressure in the gas and oil pipe? And let the volume ordered at a specific time arrive at 24 o'clock on the last day specified in the contract? If it doesn’t help, arrange a CAPITAL repair of a pipe that suddenly failed?
  23. Art Pilot
    Art Pilot 13 December 2021 15: 53
    +2
    Nothing, they will soon run out of packages.
    1. Angelika olsen
      Angelika olsen 13 December 2021 16: 01
      +1
      Let's hope! In addition, no matter how spite their ears are frostbitten winked .
  24. Alex Justice
    Alex Justice 13 December 2021 18: 44
    -1
    The meaning of all the actions of Russia's enemies when imposing nominal sanctions is an attempt to arouse dissatisfaction with Putin among the elite. Instigating a coup and intimidating the elite.
  25. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 13 December 2021 20: 00
    -2
    Quote: Tatiana

    ...
    Well, for example. Russia can start by changing the Fiscal Rule recommended to Russia by the IMF (the US financial structure) in its favor, before abandoning it altogether.
    ...
    Those. it turns out that the budget rule is actually a determination in proportions of what part of the export of Russian black gold serves the budget of the Russian Federation and what part of it serves the budget of the United States.
    It turns out that the American budget from the export of Russian black gold is served 1,5 times more than the Russian budget.
    Here's the colonial model!

    Who was it that did not allow this rule to be changed or canceled earlier ?! winked
  26. hohohol
    hohohol 13 December 2021 20: 08
    +1
    Some private Russian company gave the frogs, as a country, a pendel, but they themselves could not answer, they went to ask the punks for help. Lord, what the country has been brought to.