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The German press discusses the consequences of a possible disconnection of Russia from SWIFT

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If the Russian Federation is cut off from the international settlement system SWIFT, grave consequences will come not only for it, but also for many other countries. And nothing can be done about it - this is how this structure works, which is headquartered in Belgium.


Thomas Gutschker discusses this in an article published in the German newspaper Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung (FAZ).

Despite the formal independence of SWIFT, practice shows that this structure unquestioningly obeys the decisions of the American authorities. For example, when the United States wanted to disconnect Iran from the settlement system, this was done despite the disagreement of European countries. But not only Americans are present on the SWIFT board of directors, but also representatives of central banks and other financial institutions of many leading Western countries.

Today, the United States says that Russia's attack on Ukraine will lead to the imposition of "unprecedented sanctions" against it, while transparently hinting at disconnecting it from the platform on which almost all international financial settlements are based. In this regard, the German press is discussing the consequences of disconnecting Russia from SWIFT.

The publication reminds that when in the West in 2014 they began to talk for the first time about the need to cut off Russia from the system of international settlements, Aleksey Kudrin, who then headed the Ministry of Finance of the Russian Federation, announced the catastrophic consequences. According to him, with such a development of events, the GDP of our country would fall by five percent.

Thomas Guchker, speaking about the impact on the financial system of Russia in case of disconnection from SWIFT, does not take into account an important circumstance. Difficulties in international settlements will negatively affect the economic ties of Russia with the United States and other Western countries. And the economy of our country is so closely integrated into the world one that disconnecting the Russian Federation from SWIFT will bring losses not only to it, but also to American and European businesses.
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  1. Fungus
    Fungus 10 December 2021 13: 11
    +45
    There are analogues of Swift in the world. We also have our own settlement system. The Belarusians have already connected to it. So we will not be lost.
    1. Invoce
      Invoce 10 December 2021 13: 29
      +17
      In addition to the fact that they have their own money transfer system (not all countries are connected to it) and if the Russian Federation is cut off from the international settlement system SWIFT, then the EU, Boeing, Airbus and other corporations will have to carry gold (not currency) for the delivered products by business jets
      1. Hypertension
        Hypertension 10 December 2021 15: 00
        -19
        Quote: Invoce
        The EU, Boeing, Airbus and other corporations will have to carry gold (not currency) for the delivered products by business jets

        Almost all of the mined gold was exported from Russia to London.
        According to the Federal Customs Service, from January to September 2021, 240,5 tons of gold were exported from Russia. At the same time, according to the Ministry of Finance, during the same period, the country produced 256,54 tons. Most of the bullion was exported to London, where they are sold on the Commodity Exchange. The central bank of Russia authorized the export of gold last spring, and President Vladimir Putin signed a law in June this year allowing not to return foreign currency earnings from gold sales to Russia.

        https://kapital-rus.ru/articles/article/iz_rossii_vyvezli_pochti_vse_dobytoe_zoloto_v_london/
        1. Tatyana
          Tatyana 10 December 2021 17: 21
          +6
          If the Russian Federation is cut off from the international settlement system SWIFT, grave consequences will come not only for it, but also for many other countries. And nothing can be done about it - this is how this structure works, which is headquartered in Belgium.
          If the Russian Federation is cut off from SWIFT, grave consequences will indeed come for many other countries. Namely.
          In November 2016, the FULL LIST of Rothschild-controlled BANKS was published in the West in English. Wherein:
          1. The list contains 174 banks, while the UN member states are 193, and the Rothschilds are rumored to have UNLIMITED influence in all of these countries except 5.
          2. The list also includes banks that the Rothschilds do not own, which means they have some other leverage.

          The LIST is quite remarkable - and I even translated it from English into Russian.
          * Legend:
          Central Bank - Central Bank, RB - Reserve Bank, NB - National Bank, GB - State Bank, FRS - Federal Reserve System.

          For the sake of interest, the abbreviated list looks like this:
          1. Bank of Afghanistan; 2. Bank of Albania; 3. Bank of Algeria; 4. Central Bank of Argentina; 5. Central Bank of Armenia; <…> 7. RB Australia; 8. National Bank of Austria; 9. Central Bank of the Azerbaijan Republic; <…> 15. National Bank of Belgium; 14. NB of the Republic of Belarus; <...>; 21. Central Bank of Bosnia and Herzegovina; 23. Central Bank of Brazil; <…> 24. Bulgaria: Bulgarian NB; <…> 29. Bank of Canada-Banque du Canada; 33. Central Bank of Chile; 34. People's Bank of China; <…> 40. Croatian NB; 41. Central Bank of Cuba; 42. Central Bank of Cyprus; 43. Czech Republic: Czech NB; 44. National Bank of Denmark; 48. Central Bank of Egypt; <…> 51. Bank of Estonia; <…> 53. European Union: European Central Bank; <…> 55. Bank of Finland; 56. Bank of France; <…> 59. NB of Georgia; 60. Germany: Deutsche Bundesbank; <…> 62. Bank of Greece; <…> 69. Hungary: Magyar Bank Nemzeti; 70. Central Bank of Iceland; 71. RB India; 72. Bank of Indonesia; 73. Central Bank of the Islamic Republic of Iran; 74. Central Bank of Iraq; 75. Central Bank and Financial Services Authority of Ireland; 76. Bank of Israel; 77. Bank of Italy; <…> 79. Bank of Japan; <…> 91. National Bank of Kazakhstan; <…> 93. Bank of Korea; <...> 95. NB of the Kyrgyz Republic; 96. Bank of Latvia; <…> 99. Central Bank of Libya; <…> 101. Bank of Lithuania; 102. Central Bank of Luxembourg; <...> 104. NB of the Republic of Macedonia; <…> 107. Central Bank of Malaysia; 109. Central Bank of Malta; <…> 112. NB of Moldova; 113. Bank of Mongolia; 114. Central Bank of Montenegro; <…> 119. Bank of the Netherlands; <…> 125. Central Bank of Norway; <…> 127. GB of Pakistan; <…> 131. Philip Pines: Philippines; 132. National Bank of Poland; 133. Bank of Portugal; 134. Central Bank of Qatar; 135. NB of Romania; <…> 141. National Bank of Serbia; <…> 145. National Bank of Slovakia; 146. Bank of Slovenia; <…> 149. Bank of Spain; <…> 154. Sweden: Sveriges Riksbank; 155. Swiss NB; 156. NB of Tajikistan; <...> 163. Central Bank of the Republic of Turkey; <…> 165. NB of Ukraine; 166. Central Bank of the United Arab Emirates; 167. United Kingdom: Bank of England; 168. US Federal Reserve, Federal Republic of Belarus of New York; <…> 170. Central Bank of Venezuela; 171. GB of Vietnam; <…>.
          See details - https://narod-novosti.com/diskussionnyj-klub/?p=rotshild-vyistroil-finansovyie-vojska&utm_source=finobzor.ru

          TOTAL. Since any war cannot do without finances, any tansaction of the opposing countries in this case - when SWIFT is working in Russia - will be transparently known to the bankers of the US Federal Reserve System.
          T.O., SWIFT gives for the anti-Russian USA - namely for the financial capital of the bankers of the US Federal Reserve - during TMV great strategic financial and insider advantage over all countries with the ability to control and influence the course of the war of the "collective West" with Russia in favor of the USA ..
          1. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 11 December 2021 03: 28
            +3
            About the Rothschilds - fake, as usual.
            These are not banks under control, but banks with which the European
            the Rothschild bank has connections.
            With the same success it can be said that Sberbank is "under control"
            a couple of dozen foreign banks laughing
            1. Shurik70
              Shurik70 11 December 2021 18: 41
              +7
              It would be necessary to start a discussion in the Russian media - to disconnect from SWIFT, since NATO countries receive too much profit from Russia through it, controlling trade.
              At once they will start screaming about the treachery of the Russians
        2. Nyrobsky
          Nyrobsky 10 December 2021 17: 59
          +4
          It's not clear why you are so worried about gold. This is the same product as bricks with hemp, glass and lumber. Only if the price of a railroad train of glass is equal to 100 thousand dollars, then 1 box of gold at the same price will take a small part in one of the cars. The demand for redheads compared to 2019 fell, from $ 2000 an ounce to $ 1700 for the same amount. What is the point of storing the falling metal in reserves at a time when the dollar is showing relative stability? Now it is more profitable to sell gold and store the dollar, and then, at a low point in the cost of gold, buy the metal for this amount and wait for its maximum growth, exceeding the dollar rate. It is quite a normal practice. In addition, as I understand it, the main buyer is the UK, and therefore sales are in pounds, which are sterling, and which, as before, take their place in the basket of gold reserves of Russia, in contrast to the dollar, which is squeezed out as part of de-dollarization and is replaced by gold (20%) and yuan.
          1. Hypertension
            Hypertension 10 December 2021 20: 00
            -7
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            It's not clear why you are so worried about gold.

            Am I worried?
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            This is the same product as bricks with hemp, glass and lumber.

            Well, of course ... But why is there no Sawn Reserve Fund in Russia, and in the world as well? Saw funds only ...
            Quote: Nyrobsky
            What is the point of storing the falling metal in reserves at a time when the dollar is showing relative stability?

            How so? After all, the dollar and other currencies are just "dirty candy wrappers", and gold is a much more weighty and essential thing. And who are they selling to? In words, England is the focus of evil, and the gold is taken out.
            And since the speech has already started, how will you look at this news?
            The Japanese company bought out a stake in the forest holding of the Far East for $ 525 million.
            https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/news/2021/12/08/899629-yaponskaya-kompaniya-vikupila-dolyu-v-lesnom-holdinge?utm_source=yxnews&utm_medium=desktop
            The company received a permit for a site, the area of ​​which is equal to 4 million hectares, which is equal to 1,08 of the territory of the island of Kyushu, the report says.

            They all sell what they can and to whom they can.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 10 December 2021 22: 27
              +8
              Quote: Hyperion
              But why is there no Sawn Reserve Fund in Russia, and in the world as well? Saw funds only ...

              Fuck knows. Probably because people like you will torture you with muddy questions, despite the fact that the answer is not so important for you. Well, blast your arguments about the fact that gold, among other things, is not a commodity.
              Quote: Hyperion
              And who are they selling to? In words, England is the focus of evil, and the gold is taken out.
              Think primitively - "I do not like your shoes, so I will not go with you in the same train." I would understand your torment if we gave them bullions, but no, they pay us in foreign currency, we sell them for foreign currency at the exchange rate. What's wrong? Chinese, Indians, Turks, mattresses, small British = buyers.
              Quote: Hyperion
              And since the speech has already started, how will you look at this news?
              The Japanese company bought out a stake in the forest holding of the Far East for $ 525 million.
              Well bought and bought, what's wrong again? Moreover, they bought a SHARE, not the entire asset. Why can the Japanese develop Kamatsu production in Russia, but cannot take a share in timber processing? Moreover, according to the conditions, new technologies with deep wood processing will enter the enterprise and 2612 jobs will be provided. The forest needs sanitary and planned felling of mature forest, since overripe forest becomes dead wood on the vine, or deadwood with a good incubator for the bark beetle and other pests that will harm forestry no less than black lumberjacks. In addition, the Japanese will be obliged to carry out cleaning of allotments and reforestation work. The Bulgarians used the same principle in logging in the Komi Republic. Our "native" plots, with their "come in large numbers" for care plots next to you can not be compared, because. not in our favor. The Austrian Mondi Peypa has been processing timber at the Syktyvkar Pulp and Paper Mill for 20 years, pays workers' wages and taxes to the budget, and you almost certainly write on their paper.
              Quote: Hyperion
              They all sell what they can and to whom they can.

              Damn nonsense. Let the forest rot, melt the gold into sinkers for the donoks, bleed gas into the sky, oil and coal into the furnace, but we won't sell a single gram. Name, at least something from what we sold today, we did not sell under the USSR.
              1. your1970
                your1970 11 December 2021 11: 58
                +2
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                The Austrian Mondi Peypa has been processing timber at the Syktyvkar Pulp and Paper Mill for 20 years, pays workers' wages and taxes to the budget, and you almost certainly write on their paper.

                American Svetogorsk PPM produces paper in green packs - one of the most massive
              2. Hypertension
                Hypertension 11 December 2021 12: 52
                0
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Well, blast your arguments about the fact that gold, among other things, is not a commodity.

                But why sell everything that you have mined? Why not postpone some of it? Gold, like other precious metals, will only rise in price in the long term. But where is the perspective and future of Russia and where are our bureaucrats-compradors, right? On different banks.
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                if we gave them bars, but no, they pay us in foreign currency, we sell them for foreign currency at the exchange rate.

                Where will this currency end up? Did you miss a line about the fact that Putin in June of this year signed a law allowing not to return foreign exchange earnings for the sale of gold to Russia?
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Well bought and bought, what's wrong again? Moreover, they bought a SHARE, not the entire asset.

                The share is 75%. Why shouldn't the Russian Federation organize everything itself? And "sanitary" felling, and finished wood products? And not as usual - raw materials. Why then these talks about import substitution? Why then the hysteria on the topic "We will not give the Japanese an inch of the Kuriles", if 4 million hectares of forest - please, chop it down as you like. Taxes and jobs are good. But is it really impossible to organize ourselves?
                Quote: Nyrobsky
                Let the forest rot, melt the gold into sinkers for the donoks, bleed gas into the sky, oil and coal into the furnace, but we will not sell a single gram.

                Selling raw materials is a dubious honor. It is necessary to establish production and sell finished products.
                1. Nyrobsky
                  Nyrobsky 11 December 2021 16: 12
                  +2
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  But why sell everything that you have mined? Why not postpone some of it?
                  Duc postponed already. At borisk there was something in the region of 300 tons, and today 2300 tons, i.e. the volume has been increased by almost 8 times. Mattress securities dropped from 100 billion to 3 billion and gold in the gold and foreign exchange reserves increased to 20%.
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  Where will this currency end up? Did you miss a line about the fact that Putin in June of this year signed a law allowing not to return foreign exchange earnings for the sale of gold to Russia?
                  I am not an accountant, like you, but I believe that this proceeds will be placed on a foreign account and, in the course of purchase transactions, will act as a guarantee for payment, which is generally a normal practice in international trade. Moreover, if the notorious SWIFT is suddenly turned off, payments can be made from a foreign currency account in the country where the currency is located.
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  The share is 75%. Why shouldn't the Russian Federation organize everything itself? And "sanitary" felling, and finished wood products? And not as usual - raw materials. Why then these talks about import substitution? Why then the hysteria on the topic "We will not give the Japanese an inch of the Kuriles", if 4 million hectares of forest - please, chop it down as you like. Taxes and jobs are good. But is it really impossible to organize ourselves?

                  Why can't that? Let the samurai invest in our economy with money and technology. Our technologies can make waste (sawdust) from wood and press them into a chipboard board from which furniture is made, while fences are made of boards, and their technologies are made of wood furniture and fences from waste. As for the removal of round timber, since 2022 they are prohibited and only sawn timber can be removed. As regards the allocation of a plot of 4 million hectares, this is not so much as you think, because I can judge this on the example of our regional hunting society, which has fixed lands of 157 thousand square kilometers - which, looking at the map, is not at all lot. During the years of hunting, I covered almost all of them. They were given a plot of about 24 times more, which they will not only cut down, but also carry out reforestation work. There is more damage from fires and bark beetles.
                  Quote: Hyperion
                  Selling raw materials is a dubious honor. It is necessary to establish production and sell finished products.
                  It is necessary, I do not argue. Who else would do it. You just try to just put one sawmill, buy a skidder, a log truck, hire a crew, write out a felling ticket, stretch a log or winter road to the plot and settle all issues with accounting, taxes, spare parts and fuels and lubricants, and reach a profitability of 10 rubles and I'll take a look how "cheerful" you will look. They come here with equipment, technologies, more than 2 thousand jobs and ...... go on, we’ll better feed the bark beetles. request
                  1. Hypertension
                    Hypertension 11 December 2021 19: 06
                    -2
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    but I believe that this proceeds will be placed on a foreign account and in transactions for the purchase of something

                    Right. On a foreign account, which "partners" can freeze at any time.
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    Let the samurai invest in our economy with money and technology.

                    Yes, wherever you go, foreign shareholders and investors are everywhere. This is on the one hand. And on the other hand, propaganda hangs noodles for us, that all around are enemies and that the iron curtain is about to fall. Here it would be clear - either our economy is a part of the world market (raw materials for the most part), or we are still striving for at least some kind of self-sufficiency. Where are Russian shareholders in Japan or Europe? And it turns out that the Russian Federation is a kind of economic colony ...
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    In terms of allocating a plot of 4 million hectares, this is not as much as you think

                    This is, you know, a little less than Denmark or the Netherlands. So also to the Uzbeks a million hectares for rent. So it is possible to distribute Russia, even if it is huge in area. Is it really so bad in the Russian Federation that the country is forced to lease its territories? A bad analogy suggests itself with an alcoholic or drug addict who pulled everything out of the hut, so you have to move the tenants into the empty rooms of your apartment.
                    Quote: Nyrobsky
                    They come here with equipment, technologies, more than 2 thousand jobs and ... go on, we'd better feed the bark beetles.

                    It is necessary to break this attitude. And the senders themselves should be given as food to the bark beetles. Otherwise, we'll wake up tomorrow, and the country no longer belongs to us ... Although it seems like it already ...
                    1. Nyrobsky
                      Nyrobsky 11 December 2021 21: 29
                      +4
                      Quote: Hyperion
                      It is necessary to break this attitude. And the senders themselves should be given as food to the bark beetles.
                      Eka got you in. Either you call to send all overseas with investments and the desire to buy gold and silver, then suddenly you give the senders to feed the bark beetles. You will decide somehow request
                      Quote: Hyperion
                      Otherwise, we'll wake up tomorrow, and the country no longer belongs to us ... Although it seems like it already ...
                      Come on. It turns out that you were happy with the fact that in the 90s, 260 oil and gas fields came under the jurisdiction of foreign uncles, and after in the early 2000s, 254 fields were returned to the jurisdiction of Russia (6 remained under foreigners and those on Sakhalin), you are concerned with the problems of foreign participation and the possibility of losing the country. The topic is broader and deeper than you imagine, or you have an intention to pump the topic to put pressure on the mind of the layman in the sense that any investment program playing in the interests of Russia is aimed at robbing him. It seems that you will be unhappy with everything, no matter what happens. Did you make at least three steps along the logging site and along the existing felling site?
                      1. Hypertension
                        Hypertension 12 December 2021 12: 08
                        +3
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        You will decide somehow

                        I misunderstood you. What I meant was to punish those who hinder the organization of Russian timber processing enterprises.
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        It turns out that you were satisfied with the fact that in the 90s 260 oil and gas fields came under the jurisdiction of foreign uncles

                        You do it this way. For some incomprehensible logic.
                        Quote: Nyrobsky
                        or you have an intention to pump the topic to put pressure on the mind of the layman in the sense that any investment program playing in the interests of Russia is aimed at robbing him.

                        Frankly, it may not "rob", but you, who may have retreated for more than one kilometer through the felling, should understand that foreign investors are not involved in charity work in relation to the Russian Federation, and they have profits from enterprises. The profit that would remain in Russia if the enterprises were Russian.
                      2. Nyrobsky
                        Nyrobsky 12 December 2021 13: 36
                        +1
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        I misunderstood you. What I meant was to punish those who hinder the organization of Russian timber processing enterprises.

                        Quote: Hyperion

                        You do it this way. For some incomprehensible logic.

                        Then it changes things. We really got a misunderstanding.
                        Quote: Hyperion
                        Frankly, it may not "rob", but you, who may have retreated for more than one kilometer through the felling, should understand that foreign investors are not involved in charity work in relation to the Russian Federation, and they have profits from enterprises. The profit that would remain in Russia if the enterprises were Russian.
                        It is clear that no one will work at a loss, but apparently at the current moment even such a "share" option will be profitable for the region, which the Japanese will enter. It so happened that over the years of "friendship with the West" our liberota made every effort to keep the technological development of Russia at the same level, or even to destroy it altogether, in order to clean up our market for foreign goods. Here they come in with technologies, and therefore they will remain with us. I believe that in the image and likeness, something similar will be organized in other forest regions, but already with our capitalization. China does not hesitate to copy, the main thing would be where. Let's finish for this. hi
              3. Fedor M
                Fedor M 12 December 2021 01: 23
                +2
                I completely agree with you
          2. Glagol1
            Glagol1 11 December 2021 10: 28
            -1
            There is no point in exporting gold to London. Gold reserves and the stabilization fund are growing on their own due to the positive balance of foreign trade and high prices for hydrocarbons. In these conditions, exporting gold to the enemy's territory is, well, another murky topic of our criminal authorities.
            1. Nyrobsky
              Nyrobsky 11 December 2021 10: 49
              0
              Quote: Glagol1
              There is no point in exporting gold to London... Gold reserves and the stabilization fund are growing on their own due to the positive balance of foreign trade and high prices for hydrocarbons. In these conditions, exporting gold to the enemy's territory is, well, another murky topic of our criminal authorities.

              Controversial statement. Russia extracts gold on its territory and buys it from artels for rubles, and sells it for currency. In this case, not for hryvnia or tugrik, but for pounds, for which the same machines and other necessary equipment can be bought abroad, where the ruble and tugrik are not quoted in the calculations. Do you have a suggestion how you can otherwise earn currency without selling anything?
        3. Piramidon
          Piramidon 10 December 2021 21: 36
          +4
          Quote: Hyperion
          Almost all of the mined gold was exported from Russia to London.

          Russia has been selling gold for more than one hundred years. So there is no need to roar, pull out your hair in all places and shout - "everything is gone, everything is sold ..."
        4. Uncle Vanya Susanin
          Uncle Vanya Susanin 11 December 2021 18: 26
          0
          Almost all mined gold was exported from Russia to London

          And that in Russia 240 tons of gold have been mined in total, no more?
    2. prior
      prior 10 December 2021 13: 29
      +4
      But what if, in response to the SWIFT shutdown, which is actually a declaration of war, Russia bites off a piece of deep-sea wire going to America, and in addition, incites all of its hackers?
      Have you calculated all the risks there in Europe?
      1. Alex777
        Alex777 10 December 2021 14: 17
        +5
        Quote: prior
        Have you calculated all the risks there in Europe?

        Our GDP will decrease by 5%, but they will simply freeze. bully
      2. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 10 December 2021 14: 41
        +9
        Release the Kraken! (WITH)
      3. Geosun
        Geosun 10 December 2021 16: 03
        +4
        On account of the declaration of war, you got excited. In theory, this is their payment system, they do what they want. By the way, so is the Internet. Another thing is that the consumers of our products will suffer.
        1. prior
          prior 10 December 2021 16: 08
          +3
          Isn't this an economic and financial war?
          I did not write about the armed conflict.
    3. Thrifty
      Thrifty 10 December 2021 13: 36
      -1
      Is it time for the Kremlin to show its teeth and ban the circulation of the dollar in Russia by law?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 10 December 2021 13: 53
        +16
        Quote: Thrifty
        Is it time for the Kremlin to show its teeth and ban the circulation of the dollar in Russia by law?

        And he doesn't really walk. It is not accepted in stores, prices are not set in it ... The fact that it can be exchanged back and forth ... so what?
        It would be necessary to expel the exchange currency speculators. And financial speculators in general.
      2. vitvit123
        vitvit123 10 December 2021 14: 14
        +10
        And what can you officially buy for dollars in Russia? Without first applying the conversion ...
      3. Alex777
        Alex777 10 December 2021 14: 23
        +5
        Quote: Thrifty
        Is it time for the Kremlin to show its teeth and ban the circulation of the dollar in Russia by law?

        Treasuries sold out long ago. So in this sense, the teeth have already shown.
        Investment parity is now maintained in Russia.
        How much investment has been made from there, the amount of debt has been bought.
      4. El Chuvachino
        El Chuvachino 10 December 2021 14: 41
        +3
        And what's the point?
    4. Zaurbek
      Zaurbek 10 December 2021 13: 43
      +6
      Yes, we will not be lost ... in relation to the Russian Federation (and our main export), it is not clear who will be worse ...
      1. There is no precedent for the sale of energy resources in some alternative currencies to the dollar.
      2. No one will give oil and gas to China and the EU and India (and these are large consumers)
      3. RF is a major supplier of all this stuff ... you can't replace it
      4 How grain prices will change, the same is difficult to predict


      And changing the role of the dollar will harm the dollar itself.
      1. Brturin
        Brturin 10 December 2021 14: 01
        +1
        Quote: Zaurbek
        There is no precedent for the sale of energy resources in some alternative currencies to the dollar.

        back at the end of 2018 the EU adopted a plan ...
        To change the situation, the European Commission suggested that the EU countries use the clause on the use of the euro as the default currency in intergovernmental agreements on energy supplies. https://tass.ru/ekonomika/5879924
        from the latter, Moldova will pay for gas in euros ...
        the question is that the oil price is determined in $ and then converted into euros, with gas the Europeans themselves ..
        1. AUL
          AUL 10 December 2021 14: 30
          +2
          Quote: BrTurin
          the oil price is determined in $ and then converted into euros, with gas the Europeans themselves ..

          Well, the cunning Europeans will quickly bring down the dollar against the euro, and as a result, the Americans will be left in a fool!
          1. Brturin
            Brturin 10 December 2021 20: 30
            +4
            They will hardly bring it down ... but they want to grab a piece (or a piece, as it turns out). European "separatism" lives on .. the same talk about "autonomous" armed forces of the EU, attempts to increase the role of the euro, the same European Payment Initiative (EPI) aimed at creating a competitor to Visa and Mastercard in Europe ... attempts to oust the dollar from at least Europe let's see...
      2. Fiesta
        Fiesta 12 December 2021 01: 16
        +1
        No one will give oil and gas to China and the EU and India (and these are large consumers)

        They don't know about India, but the EU and China have their own settlement systems. Plus SWIFT is more about transactions in dollars, and we already trade with China mainly in national currencies.
    5. YOUR
      YOUR 10 December 2021 13: 51
      +9
      For settlements with the EU, there is Instrument in Support of Trade Exchanges, in China, CIPS.
      In short, unpleasant but not fatal.
      Of course, for those who prefer to pull from Russia and live in Nice, London or San Diego, sad times will come for them.
    6. Ros 56
      Ros 56 10 December 2021 14: 01
      +2
      And if we start selling all the energy sold to the West for rubles and gold, but without Swift, the whole Western world will be on its ears, and the fun will begin.
      1. Zaurbek
        Zaurbek 10 December 2021 14: 24
        0
        It's not all that simple. Sales are tied to securities, etc. it's not just a ruble, give 1kg of oil. The system must be built ... and this is part of the significance of the dollar and, accordingly, the United States and capitalists close to them.
    7. Anachoret
      Anachoret 10 December 2021 14: 02
      +3
      Trump tried to bury NATO)
      Biden will try to bury Swift)))
      and what kind of shisha will the Taylor Swift family be grubbing then?))
      1. Sanichsan
        Sanichsan 10 December 2021 16: 54
        +4
        Quote: Anchorite
        and what kind of shisha will the Taylor Swift family be grubbing then?))

        go to work! to factory! wassat
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 10 December 2021 18: 16
          +2
          Who cares, I personally can work at least on wood, at least on metal, but what about them? lol
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 10 December 2021 19: 37
            +3
            well it... what in! and from wood and from metal shavings remain. will remove the shavings. good Well, what, someone has to do it.
        2. vadimtt
          vadimtt 13 December 2021 11: 21
          +1
          There is a certain opinion that the Cue Ball was not developed by a certain Satoshi, but by a quite certain group of people under the roof of Swift, as an alternative to the world interbank system, so everything is even more interesting wassat
          1. Sanichsan
            Sanichsan 13 December 2021 11: 55
            0
            Quote: vadimtt
            There is a certain opinion that the cue ball was not developed by a certain Satoshi, but by a very specific group of people under the roof of Swift.

            in my opinion, an obvious solution ... there is a black market, so why not take part in operations on the black market without affecting the reputation of "decent financial institutions"?
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  3. Kesha1980
    Kesha1980 10 December 2021 13: 12
    +6
    And money for gas will be transported to Moscow in suitcases and containers). It's already ridiculous. I am silent about foreign investment and parallel financial systems.
    1. LZ50
      LZ50 10 December 2021 13: 15
      +14
      let them keep the paper for themselves, accept payment in gold wink
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 10 December 2021 13: 21
      +12
      Quote: Kesha1980
      And money for gas will be transported to Moscow in suitcases and containers). It's already ridiculous. I am silent about foreign investments

      We already have a minimum of such investments, but if a suitcase or two is not delivered, two days to think about it and turn the valve. And, by the way, it is easier to transport gold than paper, and we can switch to gold in our calculations. Someone in Europe will get sick. This will be a universal nix, where is the swift wassat
    3. lucul
      lucul 10 December 2021 13: 26
      +5
      "I am silent about foreign investments"

      If there is anything in the world that is the most stupid for your country, it is attracting foreign investment.
      Foreign investment is evil squared.
      1. Kesha1980
        Kesha1980 10 December 2021 13: 46
        +1
        Count our joint venture for "digging our bowels". Be amazed.
        Technology, all due to the lack of modern technology.
      2. Serg Kam
        Serg Kam 10 December 2021 14: 24
        +2
        If there is anything in the world that is the stupidest thing for your country, it is attracting foreign investment.

        Tell the Chinese who have become the second largest economy in the world on foreign investment
        1. lucul
          lucul 10 December 2021 14: 29
          -1
          "Tell the Chinese who have become the world's second largest economy on foreign investment."

          I can give you an example of all the African countries that, thanks to foreign investment, gave their bowels for nothing.))))
          1. Serg Kam
            Serg Kam 10 December 2021 14: 54
            -2
            I can give you an example of all the countries of Africa

            And I can bring South Korea, Vietnam, Turkey.
            Maybe it's not about investments, but about the rulers?
            Who wants to - develops the country. Those who do not want the development of the country build palaces and send their children to live abroad.
            1. alekseykabanets
              alekseykabanets 10 December 2021 15: 03
              0
              Quote: SergKam
              And I can bring South Korea, Vietnam, Turkey.

              The Salinsky USSR did not have foreign investments, how much does foreign investors own in China?
              Quote: SergKam
              Who wants to - develops the country. Those who do not want the development of the country build palaces and send their children to live abroad.

              Otherwise, yes, I completely agree, but your opponent is right for Africa.
              1. Serg Kam
                Serg Kam 10 December 2021 15: 46
                +1
                How many foreign investors own in China?


                In 2020, 23 thousand companies with foreign capital were opened in China, and now their total number has exceeded 1 million. China wins over with its stability, predictability and gigantic market, experts explain the success of the Chinese comrades.

                however, your opponent is right for Africa.


                Once again: if I hit my finger with a hammer, is the hammer evil, and it is stupid to use it, or am I crooked?

                Foreign investment is a powerful tool. It is much easier to build a good economy for yourself with it. But, like any tool, you can break everything around - there would be a desire.
                1. alekseykabanets
                  alekseykabanets 10 December 2021 15: 55
                  0
                  Quote: SergKam
                  In 2020, 23 thousand companies with foreign capital were opened in China, and now their total number has exceeded 1 million.

                  How much of China's economy is owned by foreign capital? And in critical sectors of the economy?
                  Quote: SergKam
                  Foreign investment is a powerful tool.

                  Here, the main thing is not to get carried away. to be critically dependent on foreign capital is also not worth it.
                  Quote: SergKam
                  But, like any tool, you can break everything around - there would be a desire.

                  good
                  1. Serg Kam
                    Serg Kam 10 December 2021 16: 12
                    +1
                    Here, the main thing is not to get carried away. to be critically dependent on foreign capital is also not worth it.


                    Extremes are always bad.
                    And those who consider any foreign investment to be "evil squared"
                    and those who advocate the complete transfer of resources to foreigners are on the same intellectual level.
                  2. Fiesta
                    Fiesta 12 December 2021 01: 18
                    0
                    How much of China's economy is owned by foreign capital? And in critical sectors of the economy?

                    In relation to the domestic - small, and in critical industries, it seems that foreign injections are generally prohibited. But we also like, no? I agree about "not getting carried away", but foreign capital within reasonable limits and if it is used correctly is quite a useful thing.
                2. fif21
                  fif21 11 December 2021 04: 52
                  -3
                  Quote: SergKam
                  Foreign investment is a powerful tool.

                  A powerful tool for making a profit on your investment. Having printed their dollars (candy wrappers), they invest them in the economy of their own or another country, and turn them into a currency backed by a commodity. That is, a hard worker in the Russian Federation works for his owner and a foreign investor. The HSE (lice) does not recommend using the RF gold reserves as investments in the economy of the Russian Federation, since this will not give foreigners the opportunity to earn money on the Russian Federation. Only the Papuans can rejoice in foreign investments, exchanging gold for glass beads. hi
      3. your1970
        your1970 11 December 2021 12: 03
        +2
        Quote: lucul
        If there is anything in the world that is the most stupid for your country, it is attracting foreign investment.

        Tell this to China lol
        They created the whole industry like that - on other people's ideas, technologies and money
    4. Brturin
      Brturin 10 December 2021 13: 48
      0
      there is not only gas ... Russia 5 in Europe - China, states ...
      Russia in 2020 moved up to fifth place in trade with the European Union, losing to Switzerland and leaving the UK community. Russian exports to the EU decreased by 34,3% - to € 95,2 billion, Russian imports from the EU decreased by 10% - to € 79 billion. Https://tass.ru/ekonomika/10706437

      2020 is specific with a pandemic, stops, get-togethers, but ... are Europe ready, when this covid already hit the economy, to get another ...
    5. Hagen
      Hagen 10 December 2021 13: 55
      +2
      Quote: Kesha1980
      And money for gas will be carried to Moscow in suitcases and containers)

      And the gas itself will be sold on a prepaid basis ...
  4. Victor_B
    Victor_B 10 December 2021 13: 12
    +3
    This is called shit under the door and ring the doorbell ...
    1. Polite Moose
      Polite Moose 10 December 2021 13: 20
      +13
      Quote: Victor_B
      This is called shit under the door and ring the doorbell ...

      It's called: stepping on your own testicles. Well, they will turn off SWIFT for us, for several years now the WORLD has been tossing and turning at the very least. The Chinese are happy to integrate us into their highly developed payment system. Iran will not pass by. Yes, there are many more willing. And all of this will work, bypassing the dollar. So the threat of our shutdown is scaring a hedgehog with a bare loin.
  5. ccsr
    ccsr 10 December 2021 13: 12
    +12
    If they could turn it off without consequences for themselves, then they would have turned it off long ago. Well, we would have returned to the beginning of the XNUMXs, when we would have had to wait at least a day for payments to be carried out, which is not fatal for us even now.
    1. Rex
      Rex 10 December 2021 13: 30
      +2
      There is a system of fast payments. It is thanks to this system that you can transfer money by phone number. Even if the accounts of the sender and the recipient are in different banks.
    2. Brturin
      Brturin 10 December 2021 13: 31
      +7
      depending on where - the Chinese have created their own analog, if it connects, then ... In Europe -
      The countries of the "European trio" - France, Germany and the United Kingdom - launched the INSTEX financial settlement mechanism with Iran in order to circumvent US sanctions, which is available to all member states - the European Union - "France, Germany and the United Kingdom informed the participants that INSTEX has been launched and is available for of all EU member states and that the first transactions are taking place. - https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6608916.

      so that there would be a desire to connect Russia and the settlement mechanism is already ready ... the question is that the states themselves are losing control over fin. flows (when you can track who, to whom and how much, and then impose a billion-dollar fine, they say, bypass the sanctions), but they need it ...
    3. ghby
      ghby 10 December 2021 15: 00
      +3
      Quote: ccsr
      Well, we would have returned to the beginning of the XNUMXs, when we would have had to wait at least a day for payments to be carried out, which is not fatal for us even now.

      Sberbank, as it were, can now carry out payments and transfers for a day or even more.
  6. SaLaR
    SaLaR 10 December 2021 13: 12
    +1
    Yes, launch an alternative system and forget about SWIFT .. recourse
    1. fif21
      fif21 11 December 2021 04: 59
      +2
      Quote: SaLaR
      Yes, launch an alternative system and forget about SWIFT ..

      So it will be, the Mir system in Russia has already been launched, as well as the interbank fast payment system. Mattress-makers are digging their own grave, everything is like M. Zadornov's (satirist). tongue
  7. Pankrat25
    Pankrat25 10 December 2021 13: 13
    +12
    And there is no need to wait for a shutdown, we must ourselves abandon this system, otherwise they will endlessly blackmail. Moreover, they will like it, and others will be turned off, no one in the world is immune from this, except for the United States itself.
  8. Woodman
    Woodman 10 December 2021 13: 14
    +11
    Maybe less dough will flow abroad ...
  9. tralflot1832
    tralflot1832 10 December 2021 13: 16
    +7
    Not a terrible thing, comrades Germans, in the evening a Lufthansa plane with money, when we count the gas. A week ago it was announced that 1500 American companies are working in Russia, of which 500 are global corporations.
  10. svp67
    svp67 10 December 2021 13: 18
    +7
    When in the West in 2014 they first began to talk about the need to cut off Russia from the system of international settlements, Alexei Kudrin, who then headed the RF Ministry of Finance, announced the catastrophic consequences. According to him, with such a development of events, the GDP of our country would fall by five percent.
    Then there was one situation, now it is different ... our banks created both their own settlement system and connected to the Chinese one ... But the question is, if Russia and its enterprises, such as Gazprom, stop receiving timely payments for the delivered products, it will not is this a reason for them to suspend supplies? And who needs it now?
    1. rocket757
      rocket757 10 December 2021 13: 35
      +3
      Quote: svp67
      But the question is, if Russia and its enterprises, such as Gazprom, stop receiving timely payments for the products supplied, will this not be a reason for them to suspend supplies? And who needs it now?

      Cash will be transported by freaks! It's so convenient ...
      1. svp67
        svp67 10 December 2021 13: 40
        +4
        Quote: rocket757
        Cash will be transported by freaks! It's so convenient ...

        Conducted a cam ...
  11. svoit
    svoit 10 December 2021 13: 19
    +1
    In such articles, it is difficult to understand where the original ends and where the gag begins.
  12. Lech from Android.
    Lech from Android. 10 December 2021 13: 24
    +11
    And I think they would have turned off this Swift as soon as possible ... they always frighten us with it ... but turn it off finally.
    A holy place is never empty, let's switch to the Chinese system, they say in our country there is already an analogue ...
    The United States will lose one more lever of pressure on our country ... but at first it will be difficult ... we will get out ... not for the first time.
    1. Ross xnumx
      Ross xnumx 10 December 2021 13: 53
      -2
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      yes, the first time it will be difficult ... we will get out ... not the first time.

      And soon spring ... There the flask will turn green, and the morels will go, and the sorrel along the rivers will "be nailed" ... lol
      1. Lech from Android.
        Lech from Android. 10 December 2021 14: 06
        +2
        Spring is not coming soon ... frosts are ahead of January in Europe ... snowstorms in February ... how will consumers pay for gas?
        So it's unlikely that Swift will be turned off, what who wants to shoot themselves in the leg in the EU in cold weather.
  13. ximkim
    ximkim 10 December 2021 13: 24
    0
    Hmm ..
    And let them turn them off for about four months, as this will show how much Putin and the team have prepared for such a development of events, plus how much they will take off in Russia.
    And the sanctions are good. (Power for the language was not pulled).
    1. Fox_Fox
      Fox_Fox 10 December 2021 13: 33
      -3
      how much they will take off in Russia

      Judging by the comments in various media, people are very frivolous about this issue. According to domestic analysts, the ruble will fall by at least 10%.
      it will show how much Putin and Team prepared for this development of events

      These are always ready. And how prepared are citizens with a minimum living wage?
      1. lucul
        lucul 10 December 2021 13: 41
        +6
        "These are always ready."

        Europe is a terribly scarce region for minerals. Cutting off the supply of minerals to Europe, from Russia, will throw Europe back into the Middle Ages.
        It is profitable for the USA, but whether it is profitable for Europe is a question.
        90% of everything that is produced in the West can now replace China for Russia.
        Under the USSR, this was impossible (China was too weak).
        1. Fox_Fox
          Fox_Fox 10 December 2021 13: 59
          -2
          90% of everything that is produced in the West can now replace China

          A great prospect to be dependent on a market dominated by only one seller.
          1. lucul
            lucul 10 December 2021 14: 00
            +1
            "Great prospect to be dependent on a market dominated by only one seller."

            But there will be time to replace all import)))
      2. fif21
        fif21 11 December 2021 05: 11
        +1
        Quote: Fox_Fox
        According to domestic analysts, the ruble will fall by at least 10%.

        What are the names of the analysts? LSI from HSE lol ? And I predict that the ruble will strengthen, as foreign investors will not be able to withdraw their capital from the Russian Federation. Our business sharks will definitely take advantage of this. Mattress covers will "freeze" the accounts of Russian businessmen in their banks, ours will take their investments. As for citizens with a living wage, the "MIR" payment system has been created and works for them too. hi
  14. rocket757
    rocket757 10 December 2021 13: 32
    +7
    The German press discusses the consequences of a possible disconnection of Russia from SWIFT
    ... Horror stories are there to scare them ...
    When these pass into the category of problems, they are simply overcome ... maybe not just, not immediately, but UNDoubtfully overcome.
  15. ximkim
    ximkim 10 December 2021 13: 40
    -1
    Quote: Fox_Fox
    how much they will take off in Russia

    Judging by the comments in various media, people are very frivolous about this issue. According to domestic analysts, the ruble will fall by at least 10%.
    it will show how much Putin and Team prepared for this development of events

    These are always ready. And how prepared are citizens with a minimum living wage?

    hi
    This is how the reaction to this event will go, and the media will not remain silent here.
  16. Prjanik
    Prjanik 10 December 2021 13: 43
    +4
    We will definitely not be lost, the internal payment system has long been established. And Swift himself, racing with others, will come running with an alternative proposal, as was the case with Iran. Well, mattresses, as usual, will shoot themselves in the foot, Rosoboronexport, for example, has completely abandoned payments in dollars.
  17. Ross xnumx
    Ross xnumx 10 December 2021 13: 48
    0
    If the Russian Federation is cut off from the international settlement system SWIFT, grave consequences will come not only for it, but also for many other countries. And nothing can be done about it - this is how this structure works, headquartered in Belgium.

    Is this not the country that intends to rent a part of the island in the Kuril Islands?
    ==========
    If they are not afraid to be cut off from the gas supply in the winter, let them dance with joy. Without the ability to fulfill its obligations, Russia can completely freely declare such rules that will not seem little to anyone. There is still a possibility ... As long as there is ... As long as there is, that is ...
  18. sledak
    sledak 10 December 2021 13: 49
    +3
    As far as I know, back in 2014, when they first started talking about disconnecting from swift, many of our banks opened correspondent accounts in banks in neighboring countries, incl. China.
    Even if this happens, of course the economy will sag from the costs, but not as critical as they would like, and then, as it was rightly noted here, nothing prevents us from switching to settlements in gold ...

    I wonder if the Central Bank issues a digital ruble backed by gold, then Bitcoin will collapse unambiguously or not, and how can this affect the economy of the homeland of green papers with portraits of the dead? Is there anyone who knows the subject, can you enlighten?
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 December 2021 14: 09
      +1
      Yes, our banks have had their own payment system for a long time and an old one not connected with SWIFT. Disabled - and it will be an excellent advertisement for our payment system to promote it to other countries as a safe alternative.
    2. Fiesta
      Fiesta 12 December 2021 01: 23
      0
      It’s interesting, if the Central Bank issues a digital ruble backed by gold, then Bitcoin will collapse unambiguously or not, and how can this affect the economy of the homeland of green papers with portraits of the dead?

      Why should bitcoin crash from the digital ruble? The digital yuan is already working to a limited extent and after the Olympics will most likely be launched in full force, the cue ball has not collapsed yet.
  19. Tavi
    Tavi 10 December 2021 14: 12
    +1
    Quote: Thrifty
    to ban the circulation of the dollar in Russia by law?

    Why forbid, just transfer all dollar payments for other reserve currencies.
  20. mkop
    mkop 10 December 2021 14: 24
    +1
    Maybe we should stop calling all American mongrels "international", "world" and other similar words? In fact, this is NOT an INTERNATIONAL, but an American payment system. There is nothing international in such organizations. IMF, SWIFT, WTO, WHO are all so independent, international and worldwide ...
  21. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 10 December 2021 14: 31
    +3
    And how to pay Europe for gas and oil?
    For fertilizers and foodstuffs, timber and metals. And so, on the little things: payments for air navigation services for aircraft and all sorts of "Pepsi", "Coca", "Johnson", Wimbil "and others who row a lot of dough from Russia. And advertising ... But TV is still almost no one does not look ... Well, the bloggers will be - hello! And the oligarchs ... There will be a reason to nationalize something strategic.
    In general, all this garbage. You can't pay for everything with barter.
  22. sen
    sen 10 December 2021 14: 41
    +2
    The German press discusses the consequences of a possible disconnection of Russia from SWIFT

    Well, Russia has already prepared for this, with many countries settlements in national currency or barter, losses will be minimal, but the United States and Europe will be left without our oil, gas and titanium. American business in Russia will be shut down. Gas prices will rise substantially, Democrats will plummet in rankings and the throne under Biden is shaken. They take it for fear.
  23. kotev19
    kotev19 10 December 2021 14: 59
    0
    If only, so if!
    And if Russia commanded to pay for American securities that are abroad in gold, then in the United States the desire to give advice would instantly disappear.
    I remember that the last train with Soviet grain passed from Brest to German territory at 2.50 am on June 22, 1941. I do not think that the Russian military-political leadership has forgotten about this fatal incident.
    Do they think that the Americans think that the clowns will make a provocation, and then there will be an opportunity to impose sanctions from the Senate and Congress and "grab" more than 120 billion US dollars?
    I would begin to sell them now and turn their paperwork into "despicable metal" and return it to Russia, so that there will be no problems in the future!
    I read Beria's diary - it contains a note that during the war years in the USSR he replenished gold reserves from 80 to 100 tons annually. Can any economist tell me that these securities are worth more than 120 billion dollars in value for how many tons of gold?
    That again a Stalinist pipe with ashes would have to bang on the head of a certain "financier" in the face of the Russian generals - Zhukov, Vasilevsky and others, as Stalin did in his Kremlin office with the head of Mykyt Khrushchev all the ashes from the pipe on his head) after the failure of the Kharkov offensive? This owl remembers the lesson, so he knocked with his boot on the UN rostrum!
    I ask the ukrogopniks to start polemics with me! Please do not grin! bully
  24. Denis812
    Denis812 10 December 2021 15: 39
    +3
    As the head of the banking division, or rather the IT division in a bank in Europe, I can say with a 147% guarantee that disconnecting from SWIFT will lead to delays in payments.
    And that's all.
    And then, this is IF the trading organization does not have a correspondent account in one of the banks of the country with which it trades.
    So for large companies, which account for about 85% of the RF turnover, a shutdown will be akin to a light cold.
    But for small traders - yes, they will have to negotiate deals via telexes, etc. As in the 20th century.
    But disconnecting from SWIFT is not fatal at all.
    It is unclear why this is generally to frighten something.
    For structures such as Gazprom or Yandex or Sberbank, this is a complete shutdown.
    And if LLC "Ivanov Ivan Ivanovich" receives the loot from the deal not in a couple of hours, but in a couple of days ... well, yes, it will be necessary to rebuild, but this is not a problem.
  25. Sergey3
    Sergey3 10 December 2021 18: 49
    +2
    The number of foreign users of the Bank of Russia Financial Messaging System (SPFS) has grown to 38, Denis Baryshkov, head of the department of the national payment system of the Central Bank, said on Thursday, December 9.

    “In recent years, SPFS has shown high reliability and uninterrupted operation in 24/7 mode with both Russian and foreign users. 335 users have already been connected to the system, including 38 foreign participants from nine countries, ”Baryshkov said, speaking at the VIII National Payment Forum. In particular, all Belarusian banks are currently connected to the SPFS.

    He added that the Central Bank has realized the possibility of organizing a gateway on the site of a foreign Central Bank or a subsidiary company to ensure “seamless interaction” between the SPFS and the local financial messaging system.

    The SPFS was created by the Bank of Russia in 2014 as an alternative channel of interbank interaction to protect against a possible disconnection of the country from the SWIFT payment system. Currently, more than 11 largest organizations in more than 000 countries of the world are connected to SWIFT.

    Reports about the threat of disconnection of Russian users from SWIFT have appeared in the media regularly since 2014. The most recent case is the publication by CNN that the US administration is considering this measure among possible sanctions in the event of an attack by Russian troops on Ukraine, which is actively discussed in the Western MEDIA. The Federation Council called this information "fantasy", in the Kremlin - a continuation of the "information hysteria".
  26. p0pulivox
    p0pulivox 10 December 2021 19: 08
    -1
    Quote: lucul
    "These are always ready."

    Europe is a terribly scarce region for minerals. Cutting off the supply of minerals to Europe, from Russia, will throw Europe back into the Middle Ages .
    It is profitable for the USA, but whether it is profitable for Europe is a question.
    90% of everything that is produced in the West can now replace China for Russia .
    Under the USSR, this was impossible (China was too weak).

    It would be curious to see evidence supporting these claims!
  27. KSVK
    KSVK 10 December 2021 19: 10
    +3
    Quote: Mountain Shooter

    It would be necessary to expel the exchange currency speculators. And financial speculators in general.

    Where? In the sense of this, daughter of sahip-zade? The Central Bank of the Russian Federation is the most important currency speculator. If you correctly interpret the term speculator.
  28. Sergey Averchenkov
    Sergey Averchenkov 10 December 2021 20: 02
    -1
    I have to pump on this disconnection, honestly pump. Maybe there businessmen or women are not indifferent, but how can they not transfer money ... I have nothing to transfer and nowhere. A huge gap between me and them (men and wumenams), what does this mean? And what will follow in the end? Think for yourself.
  29. jack-no
    jack-no 10 December 2021 23: 56
    0
    Tout le monde sera perdant.
  30. hector
    hector 11 December 2021 08: 39
    0
    Quote: Kesha1980
    Count our joint venture for "digging our bowels". Be amazed.
    Technology, all due to the lack of modern technology.

    Oh, again this mantra is about technology. Maybe it's time to stop lying on the stove in bast shoes and wait for "A magician suddenly arrives in a blue helicopter and for free ...", and start creating technologies ourselves, not only military but also civilian ones. It is, of course, more difficult than speculating on the stock exchange.
  31. syndicalist
    syndicalist 11 December 2021 09: 04
    0
    It is clear that the consequences for the Western economy will be incomparably smaller than for the Russian one. But, in about the same proportion, the sensitivity of the local society to such consequences is higher. So fifty-fifty.
  32. Viktor Sergeev
    Viktor Sergeev 11 December 2021 09: 20
    +1
    And how will they pay for gas? Will Nal be transported by carriages? Not paid, no gas. And the loans that ours took from them will be forgiven?
  33. megadeth
    megadeth 11 December 2021 09: 24
    +1
    Free the bulk carriers so that you can carry your candy wrappers for gas to Russia in tons ...
  34. storm
    storm 11 December 2021 12: 59
    +1
    The sooner Russia is disconnected from SWIFT, the faster the national payment system will be launched and the faster the predatory export of capital from Russia will stop.
  35. storm
    storm 11 December 2021 13: 11
    +1
    The financial messaging system (FMS) created by the Bank of Russia has already surpassed SWIFT in popularity, now Russia is negotiating to coordinate the operation of its system with regulators in China, Turkey and Iran, Anatoly Aksakov, chairman of the State Duma's financial market committee, told reporters.
    1. Ua3qhp
      Ua3qhp 11 December 2021 20: 28
      +2
      Suppose they cut off payments for gas from swift and carry oil in suitcases?
  36. komandir8
    komandir8 11 December 2021 22: 59
    +2
    SWIFT handles messaging but does not process payment transactions. If trust in the community is shaken, then the advantage will shift to informal payment systems and the cryptocurrency market.
  37. aries2200
    aries2200 12 December 2021 01: 52
    0
    you must turn off yourself and conduct all calculations in your own currency = RUBL
  38. zwlad
    zwlad 12 December 2021 23: 25
    0
    If Swift's management comes up with such a decision, it will be the beginning of the collapse of this system.
    More and more independent countries will be forced to transfer their internal payments to national payment systems.