Everyday zampotekh: when tanks fail

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BTS-2. Photo: babs71.livejournal.com

Scuba divers


В previous section stories it was about a floating tank battalion stationed in the Estonian Klooga in the 60s. The combat unit, if necessary, was able to make a dash across the Baltic Sea up to Sweden and Finland. All this technical economy required timely maintenance, for which the deputy technicians were responsible. tank mouth.

In this article, I consider it necessary to turn again to the regular organization of the 3rd separate tank battalion, in which he began service in 1968. I will try to answer in advance any possible questions about the repair, operation and maintenance of armored vehicles. Memory is a very living matter, and over time, new circumstances of service appear, which it was not possible to describe earlier on the pages of the Military Review.



So, in addition to the previously mentioned units, the battalion had a diving platoon under the command of a midshipman. I don’t remember what equipment in this platoon was. But it's not hard to guess what this platoon was intended for. All personnel wore a naval uniform. Already trained divers came from the training units of the Navy.


Isolating gas mask AT-1. Source: protivogas.ru

One of the tasks of this platoon was the maintenance of the AT-1 rescue isolation apparatus, which were issued to each member of the tank's crew when overcoming a water obstacle. These devices were also equipped with inflatable containers operating on the principle of a lifebuoy, raising a person to the surface of the water. Probably, they were in service with submariners, as they provided evacuation from a depth of up to 40 meters. Swimming was prohibited without equipment for each participant.

But the repair platoon was directly related to my official activities. About him - in more detail and with knowledge of the subject. The platoon was commanded by Lieutenant Didenko, a graduate of the Omsk tank-technical school. The platoon was directly subordinate to the battalion's deputy technical officer, Captain Arapov.

I can still name, with an accuracy of 85-90%, what maintenance and repair facilities were in this platoon at the end of the 60s.

Repair rooms


TRM-A... Tank repair workshop of type A. Based first on ZIL-157, then on ZIL-131. Intended for the current repair of tanks in the field. A special body was installed on the car chassis, equipped with a set of special keys and accessories, spare parts and assemblies. There was, which is important, a removable boom crane with a lifting capacity of up to 1 ton. It was possible in the field to replace any unit of the power plant and transmission. Naturally, if time allowed. There were at least two such workshops in the platoon.


TRM-A.

TRM-B... Tank repair workshop type B. Designed for the production of screw-cutting, drilling, grinding works in the field. The body housed a lathe, a drilling machine and a sharpening machine. In addition, there was a detailed set of cutting tools (drills, reamers, etc.). In any repair department, usually - in one copy.

EGSM or an electric gas welding workshop. Intended for the production of electric and gas welding works. Inside there were a generator and an electrical panel for electric welding, an acetylene unit, oxygen cylinders and various accessories (wires, torches, cutters, hoses, welder masks, etc.). The most respected workshop in a military unit! That is why, in the first place, it was subjected to dismantling, plundering, and equipment failure due to the systematic use of the unit in the economic activity. Indeed, in Soviet times, all work to maintain the entire infrastructure in a standard condition fell on the shoulders of the military units themselves. Nobody gave any welding machines, cranes, or bulldozers from the outside. And it was constantly required to build and improve the living conditions of the military unit. So they dug, concreted, boiled, fenced ...

PRZS... Mobile repair and charging station. Intended for maintenance and charging of batteries. It was the least in demand due to the fact that charging batteries using the constant current method required several hours of continuous operation, and the preparatory process required a careful selection of batteries by type and, most importantly, by their degree of discharge. The work of this station was possible only with a long, at least a day, the presence of troops in one place. But she was also subjected to theft at an opportunity, since she had a large number of scarce devices and materials.

MTO... Machine for maintenance and minor maintenance of equipment in the field. Good and demanded technique. She provided all types of scheduled maintenance - daily, TO-1, TO-2, and so on. The repair shop had devices for flushing air, oil, fuel filters, units for refueling and changing oils, devices for checking and adjusting control drives, and much more useful. In addition, the flyer had a removable boom crane, similar to the TRM-A. Regardless of the standard equipment, this machine was in every battalion of the Ground Forces, be it a tank, motorized rifle or automobile, only the "stuffing" was different.

As for everyday amenities, all types of workshops had round cast-iron stoves for heating and sets of hanging hammocks for each crew member.

Repairmen - into battle!


Of course, these workshops were to be used only in real combat conditions or in exercises. And for maintenance and repair of equipment in peacetime, each fleet of combat vehicles had a stationary maintenance and repair center (PTOR), where posts were equipped for performing various work on equipment. Particular attention was paid to the rechargeable battery. The combat readiness of the unit to a very large extent depended on the level of training of the accumulator. Indeed, the timely and competent maintenance and charging of the battery depended on how reliable the start of the tank's engine would be, for example, when a unit was raised on a combat alert. Especially in winter.

Well, how not to mention tank tractors! The battalion had, it seems, three units of them, BTS-2 brand. A very necessary vehicle in the tank forces. After all, landfills, shooting ranges, tank courses were usually located on lands unsuitable for cultivation, most often swampy or sandy. And often military equipment got stuck, so much so that not every tractor could pull it out. A tank tractor is the same tank, only without a turret. Tractors were produced on the basis of the T-54, often on the basis of the T-44 (it is possible that at the Riga Tank Repair Plant). They were equipped with a powerful winch with a force of 25 tons, a removable boom crane, four towing ropes similar to those of a tank, as well as a system of blocks and pulleys that could increase the pulling force up to 75 tons. Instead of a tower, a platform for loads of up to 4 tons was placed on top, where spare road wheels, balancers, track links with fingers were usually placed - everything that most often broke and had a lot of weight. The tractor had a coulter designed to stop when pulling out stuck machines with a winch. In addition, the kit included two powerful jacks with which it was possible to hang the tank.


BTS-2. Photo: babs71.livejournal.com

How was all this supposed to be used in combat conditions?

Let's consider an example of an offensive. Behind the tank company, at a distance of visible communication, the REG (repair and evacuation group), including the TRM-A and a tank tractor, moved with the task of pulling out stuck tanks or evacuating damaged and damaged ones from under enemy fire to the nearest shelters. The group was also supposed to carry out routine repairs in the field, lasting no more than 2-3 hours. It cannot be longer, otherwise the company will go far away, and the repair and evacuation group will no longer catch up with it.

The main forces of the repair unit (remrots or, in our case, a repair platoon) moved 2-4 km behind the strike group. The task of the repairmen was simple - to quickly organize an SPPM (collection point for damaged vehicles) to repair equipment that the repair and evacuation group could not cope with. And who was in charge of the REG? That's right, the companies in charge.

All these alleged actions were practiced in peacetime at various exercises. And this did not always differ from the combat situation. Consider, for example, the case when I participated in pulling seven tanks out of the Estonian swamp at once during such training maneuvers.

But that's another story.

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  1. +22
    11 December 2021 05: 22
    Thank you!
    Sincerely, Kote!
    1. +9
      11 December 2021 06: 57
      And for me - almost all familiar abbreviations!)))
      Only the gas masks were IP 5, if I'm not mistaken. According to the instructions, they were suitable for depths of 7 meters, but it was possible to stay in them for about 3 hours.
      And at the hydrodrome for us, the tank was "flooded", and then the divers pulled it out.
      1. +21
        11 December 2021 07: 11
        all familiar abbreviations!
        And for me, though not familiar, but interesting to read! To the author of the grand merci and dunk shen!
      2. +11
        11 December 2021 11: 00
        Quote: Leader of the Redskins
        Only the gas masks were IP 5, if I'm not mistaken.

        IP-5, this is a pure insulating gas mask ... but the AT-1 is actually an element of light diving equipment that could provide zero buoyancy, that is, it allowed to perform various works under water, which IP-5 did not allow
        1. +6
          11 December 2021 14: 35
          Sergey, good afternoon. hi
          but the AT-1 is actually an element of light diving equipment,

          Did you mean this apparatus - Breathing isolation apparatus AT-1?

          Depth of immersion, m 40
          Operating time of the apparatus at a depth of 40 m, min-15.
          I served more than 50 years ago and I don’t remember anymore on what oxygen systems we were trained in the Bikinskaya training camp, the depth of immersion in AT, in my opinion, is somehow too excessive for underwater driving.
          After the service, from the oxygen tank, he dealt only with the IDA-59.
          1. +3
            11 December 2021 17: 17
            Quote: Sea Cat
            Did you mean this apparatus - Breathing isolation apparatus AT-1?

            Well, what then? His own
            Quote: Sea Cat
            in my opinion, somehow too redundant for underwater driving.

            It's also expensive, that's why they were replaced with IP-5 ...
            Quote: Sea Cat
            I served more than 50 years ago and I don’t remember any more on which oxygen tanks we were trained in the Bikinskaya training school.

            And I was in a military school and with him (AT-1) and with IP-5 light diving ... AT-1 is certainly a more serious apparatus
            1. +3
              11 December 2021 17: 58
              AT-1 is certainly a more serious device

              This is understandable, but a gas mask is a gas mask. Yes
  2. +18
    11 December 2021 05: 35
    Hmm what so much good was lost and plundered during the withdrawal of troops from the GDR ... this is all for the good of the country ... but alas, no one cares after the mess created by the mediocre leadership.
    1. +19
      11 December 2021 06: 17
      Quote: Lech from Android.
      arranged by a mediocre leadership.

      Let's just say a sales guide
      1. +1
        12 December 2021 10: 53
        yes, somewhere exceptionally gifted lol Serge hi
    2. +4
      11 December 2021 11: 41
      Now, in words, "Everything is fine, beautiful marquise", and if you dig the linear parts, it will be- "And, otherwise, beautiful marquise- Everything is good, everything is good."
    3. +10
      11 December 2021 11: 43
      so much good was lost and plundered during the withdrawal of troops
      In Liepaja, military equipment was thrown into the bases in order to stuff used foreign cars brought from Germany and Sweden into the transport intended for it.
  3. +18
    11 December 2021 05: 37
    The son served as a tank driver, driver. I had to visit him in the army, in particular at the Sergeevsky training ground. Wow, I saw enough of the service of tankers there, and how they drag a hippopotamus (tank) out of the swamp. You will not envy .. lol
    1. +15
      11 December 2021 07: 03
      Dad from the War twisted the steering wheel ... In military unit 12908 he drove the TRM-B and handed it over to the mechanical drive! hi
  4. +16
    11 December 2021 06: 36
    Thank you, at least something non-standard, vital. Looking forward to continuing hi
  5. +5
    11 December 2021 06: 49
    Of course, you can rinse the air. How you can flush the fuel or oil filter, I do not know.
    1. +15
      11 December 2021 08: 30
      I don’t know about tanks, but some cars used to have a centrifuge to clean the oil. Here she was disassembled, washed, checked for free rotation. On the Gaz-51 engine, the filter element in the oil filter was usually washed in gasoline and put back in place.
      1. -1
        11 December 2021 12: 17
        There are no centrifuges on tank engines
        1. +15
          11 December 2021 12: 41
          The V-2 engine has a centrifuge, only it is not the main, but an additional filter.
    2. +12
      11 December 2021 09: 34
      It was this very "air" that required the most expenses to be washed. Three non-interchangeable cassettes located one above the other were washed in a special stand,
      1. +5
        11 December 2021 17: 08
        Not a tanker and not a motorist (my son has a car). But I read it with interest. You look, and by the end of the cycle I will begin to understand something ... laughing
        Thank you, Fedor Uvarovich! hi
    3. Aag
      +7
      11 December 2021 16: 56
      Quote: Free Wind
      Of course, you can rinse the air. How you can flush the fuel or oil filter, I do not know.

      There are (existed) air filters of the "wet" type. Simplified: a bath with a filler (mesh, metal "washcloth") filled with oil (as a rule, the same that is used in an internal combustion engine). The air, due to the configuration of the bath, is directed, falls on the oily surface, its contaminating particles settle in the oil ... For example, such an air filter was used on the "Moskvich-408". Vacuum cleaners with a water filter work according to this principle.
      1. Aag
        +5
        11 December 2021 17: 25
        ... On the same M-408, the coarse fuel filter also required periodic flushing.
      2. +4
        12 December 2021 17: 16
        Yes, even a walk-behind tractor with a Honda engine has a wet air filter))
        Respect to repairmen !!
  6. +26
    11 December 2021 07: 10
    Repairmen - into battle!
    But where without them. As you know, “The tanks are coming - the political officer is great! The tanks are standing - the captains are in charge! "
  7. +8
    11 December 2021 10: 18
    hi
    Well, the tanks went across the sea under their own power, and how were they transferred to the bridgehead for repairmen? And did they undergo training in loading and unloading on landing ships and boats?
    1. +4
      11 December 2021 10: 44
      Quote: svp67
      hi
      Well, the tanks went across the sea under their own power, and how were they transferred to the bridgehead for repairmen? And did they undergo training in loading and unloading on landing ships and boats?

      Hello Sergey.
      hi
      Yeah, I removed the question from the tongue.))
      So there were engineering units on the staff of the battalion?
      Or was it given the forces of the HMB division?
      I will assume, with great doubts, that it is:
      PTS or GSP.
      At the beginning of the 60s, they were in service, the GSP even a little earlier.
      1. +4
        11 December 2021 10: 52
        Quote: Aleks tv
        hi

        Hi Alex hi hi hi
        The author is very lucky to serve, really.
        By the way, I thought that the BTS could also be transported on a bunch of pontoons ... to save space on the landing craft.
        1. Aag
          -1
          12 December 2021 17: 30
          ... Although not addressed to me ...
          IMHO: the ratio of those sent to the number of arrivals, apparently, could have varied greatly (the Baltic, -she is so, -strongly different, at least -from the season, ... the wave of "evil" ....
          )
          All those who served in the mentioned region (K PribVo) - a special honor !! hi
    2. +8
      11 December 2021 10: 57
      The fact of the matter is that all the means of technical support accompanied the tanks only to the water's edge. And then - floating, going to the enemy coast, and only when victory is achieved (this is what I believe after many years) does it become possible to somehow cross over to the means of maintenance. But there were no special crossing means in the battalion.
      1. +9
        11 December 2021 11: 06
        All the more, there were no trainings, apparently because there were no boats.
  8. +7
    11 December 2021 10: 55
    Fedor, thank you for another portion of wonderful nostalgia and extremely rare material!
    hi
    How do you use IP AT-1?

    We only had to work with IP-5.
    Your opinion is interesting.
    1. +7
      11 December 2021 12: 50
      I can’t say anything about the AT-1, because, thank God, we didn’t have a chance to use it in business. We only knew how to activate it. The AT-1 and IP devices have completely different principles of operation and areas of application.
      1. +5
        11 December 2021 14: 19
        Quote: Fedorov Fedor
        The AT-1 and IP devices have completely different principles of operation and areas of application.

        Quite right, that's why it was interesting to ask.
        Well, yes, it's good that I didn't have to use it.))
        Thank you.
        hi
  9. +7
    11 December 2021 11: 17
    Author:
    Fedorov F.U., retired colonel
    Particular attention was paid to the rechargeable battery. The combat readiness of the unit to a very large extent depended on the level of training of the accumulator.

    If we come to the assessment of our military equipment, then we can safely say that its level was very dependent on the capabilities of domestic batteries for almost the entire XX century, and even now. Moreover, starting from submarine batteries, and ending with portable radio stations, without which there is nothing to do on the battlefield.
    A large number of the latest developments of the electronic equipment in the 70-80s did not go into mass production only because they required an increased consumption of electricity, and our batteries and charging stations simply could not physically ensure their normal functioning for several days.
    As for the tank battery, in severe frosts, as far as I know, I had to carry a starter battery on a sled from a warm room in order to start the engine. Probably the author remembers this well, since he drew attention to the work of the accumulator.
    1. +8
      11 December 2021 12: 45
      Oh, I remember very well! Especially when he served in the Amur region.
      1. +6
        11 December 2021 14: 58
        My ex-father-in-law, tanker, lieutenant colonel of the reserve, as he recalled the service in Tin, covered with goose bumps, remembering the frosts
      2. Aag
        +3
        11 December 2021 17: 10
        Special thanks for the article!
        hi
        But I think I know what you forgot to mention feel
        I remembered when it came to accumulators .... (Not a tanker, but the engines were exploited by relatives, - accordingly, the problems are similar), - about the compressor of the economy!
        As far as I know, all tanks have an air release system. Accordingly, there is a need to "fill" the cylinders. Have the UKS-400 already existed then?
        1. +5
          11 December 2021 20: 21
          Starting with the T-55, all tanks had their own compressed air system, i.e., a compressor, which provided replenishment of the air spent on starting the engine to normal. UKS were in rembats.
    2. Aag
      +3
      11 December 2021 17: 28
      Quote: ccsr
      Author:
      Fedorov F.U., retired colonel
      Particular attention was paid to the rechargeable battery. The combat readiness of the unit to a very large extent depended on the level of training of the accumulator.

      If we come to the assessment of our military equipment, then we can safely say that its level was very dependent on the capabilities of domestic batteries for almost the entire XX century, and even now. Moreover, starting from submarine batteries, and ending with portable radio stations, without which there is nothing to do on the battlefield.
      A large number of the latest developments of the electronic equipment in the 70-80s did not go into mass production only because they required an increased consumption of electricity, and our batteries and charging stations simply could not physically ensure their normal functioning for several days.
      As for the tank battery, in severe frosts, as far as I know, I had to carry a starter battery on a sled from a warm room in order to start the engine. Probably the author remembers this well, since he drew attention to the work of the accumulator.

      "... This music will be eternal,
      If I change the batteries ... "
      (C) V. Butusov.
    3. +3
      11 December 2021 17: 39
      In "normal" -20 frost, start the Ikarus diesel engine (300 hp)
      problematic, but with a new battery, nothing at all.
      Even diesel engines of wheeled tractors use
      2-stroke starter internal combustion engine (and even a "string" to it)
      How can you start a diesel tank (1300 hp) with a battery?
      I always believed that tank diesel engines are started with compressed air.
      (or did I confuse about the presence of airborne cylinders on board the tank?)
      1. Aag
        +5
        11 December 2021 18: 26
        I will correct, excuse me: "not ... VDV ...", but VVD (high pressure air, as a rule, up to 150 atm) ...
        Since the Strategic Missile Forces (PGRK) use (used) the same type of diesel internal combustion engines, I can give some explanations ... hi
        ... Yes, the air start system will crank the crankshaft of any serviceable diesel engine, and it will even start ... even at extremely low temperatures. But, this is if the last battle! The resource falls catatrophically. Breakage is not excluded.
        From practice, - as a rule, exhausted, the battery that had outlived its life, could still ensure the operation of the PZhD (liquid diesel heater, - modern motorists know an analogue, - "Velbasto") to preheat the engine ... To start, often, there was not enough strength (((. Then air! Or, - dragging weights from the unit to the unit (which is not always possible), or "lighting" from a "live" non-combat (transport, special) unit. ... (about 20, 30 meters), and a core diameter of three centimeters ...
        It happened, and torches burned under the crankcase. It's still extreme - diesel is dry only in car dealerships, there are also hundreds of kilotons of "TNT" on top ...
        1. +3
          11 December 2021 19: 08
          I think the truth is, as always, in the middle. That there is a tank, men in the ATP back in the 70s
          in winter, in the mornings, GAZ-51 was first turned with a "crooked starter", the engine jacket was spilled with hot water from the boiler room, and only then they started
          "on the suction". In the park "a battle in the Crimea, everything is in smoke .." Well, what did we want from the autol?
          Today the level of motor oils against AC-8 is like earth from the sky.
          Already the same "kopeck" on the MG-10I was started at -23 under the window of the Khrushchev, to the envy of the Muscovites (the Muscovites were required to perform the procedure described above for the GAZ-51). 50 years have passed! The nature of the lead-acid battery has remained unchanged (only the body is made of "beautiful" material). But oils and lubricants today are a nanorevolution.
          (I generally keep quiet about aviation and ground artillery in the Arctic.)
          So today I think "the resource is falling catastrophically" - a little overkill.
          Well, are they really warming up the MIGA multi-barreled cannon in the Arctic?
          before "applying"?
          1. Aag
            -1
            11 December 2021 19: 44
            Quote: Kushka
            I think the truth is, as always, in the middle. That there is a tank, men in the ATP back in the 70s
            in winter, in the mornings, GAZ-51 was first turned with a "crooked starter", the engine jacket was spilled with hot water from the boiler room, and only then they started
            "on the suction". In the park "a battle in the Crimea, everything is in smoke .." Well, what did we want from the autol?
            Today the level of motor oils against AC-8 is like earth from the sky.
            Already the same "kopeck" on the MG-10I was started at -23 under the window of the Khrushchev, to the envy of the Muscovites (the Muscovites were required to perform the procedure described above for the GAZ-51). 50 years have passed! The nature of the lead-acid battery has remained unchanged (only the body is made of "beautiful" material). But oils and lubricants today are a nanorevolution.
            (I generally keep quiet about aviation and ground artillery in the Arctic.)
            So today I think "the resource is falling catastrophically" - a little overkill.
            Well, are they really warming up the MIGA multi-barreled cannon in the Arctic?
            before "applying"?

            Stop, stop, stop ...
            Do you think that Mobil s, Idemits, Shell s, and Castrol appear in the nomenclature of fuel and lubricants of MO (by the way, I am extremely wary of the last brand after working in a / service, perhaps it was solid "leftist", but the cylinder head just "for asphalt" came across, not to mention the hydro expansion joints ..)
            About the battery, IMHO, you are strongly mistaken. There the movement is more abrupt than the "oil" one! .. I don’t know how this applies to the existing BT samples, apparently the same as with oils ...
            ... But, in everyday life ... - there is a Chinese booster in the car (we organize them). Two times thicker than my smartphone (protected, IP-68), and so proportionate.
            Yes, the charge is enough for 1,5 battery charging of the same smartphone (5600 mAh).
            But! Confidently starts a diesel Gazelle at -15, followed by a diesel 2-liter Mazda-6 ...
            Yes, it's not lead acid ...
            ..And the "nature" is the same. Like the laws of physics, I hope, but there are some progress ... hi
            1. +2
              11 December 2021 20: 30
              About batteries - I meant those that are ST-starter,
              lead acid. I do not find the difference between 6-st -55 at all
              Lenzavoda 1981 and any analogue today, even BOSCH. though
              VARTA - limit - 5 - years and in the trash. Size (roughly) the same weight
              the same, the same durability, "worker" - as he was so-so, so
              and stayed. What is at the level of physics, what is chemistry - one to one-
              times GAZ -AA, I repeat the case is better and the size / capacity
              minus% 5-10, again because of plastic - 100 years - progress
              scanty, considering that ALL other systems, in the same
              the car has changed dramatically! Including the internal combustion engines themselves and
              lubricants for them.
              But what was there in the iPhone "stuffed" and Tesla, not in the know, did not delve into.
              (It would be better if they "crammed" this into screwdrivers, otherwise the same song that
              and with ST - 2 years - and in the trash)
              1. Aag
                0
                11 December 2021 21: 11
                Quote: Kushka
                About batteries - I meant those that are ST-starter,
                lead acid. I do not find the difference between 6-st -55 at all
                Lenzavoda 1981 and any analogue today, even BOSCH. though
                VARTA - limit - 5 - years and in the trash. Size (roughly) the same weight
                the same, the same durability, "worker" - as he was so-so, so
                and stayed. What is at the level of physics, what is chemistry - one to one-
                times GAZ -AA, I repeat the case is better and the size / capacity
                minus% 5-10, again because of plastic - 100 years - progress
                scanty, considering that ALL other systems, in the same
                the car has changed dramatically! Including the internal combustion engines themselves and
                lubricants for them.
                But what was there in the iPhone "stuffed" and Tesla, not in the know, did not delve into.
                (It would be better if they "crammed" this into screwdrivers, otherwise the same song that
                and with ST - 2 years - and in the trash)

                Well, here, in general, I agree: "five years" is quite normal. The tendency is that a / mobiles should not live longer ... (((
                The weight and dimensions have improved somewhat within the limits specified by you, but all other things being equal, the starting currents have increased.
                Demanding on control and maintenance has decreased (not so much as most believe - if you have "crooked", oxidized terminals, constant undercharge, plus increased self-discharge due to dirt ...)
                By battery to screwdrivers, other household appliances.
                There are several types of batteries.
                Nickel-cadmium (now the most utilitarian, .. universal ...). For the time being, they endure deep discharges, low temperatures. The ratio A / h / mass (dimensions). Is not outstanding now.
                Lithium-ion. More compact, more powerful in currents ... Does not work with minuses, requires a "smart" charge, strongly wilts when deep discharge (protection circuits against deep discharge are not everywhere, and where there is, they do not always work normally ...)

                The main causes of the problems:
                1) Lack of understanding by users for what in what conditions, how often they need this or that tool.
                2) Marketing, they don't want to win the thirst for profit))).
                3) It follows from the previous point - the expiration date is not canceled, - quite often batteries that are more ancient are included in the tool kit of a fresh year of release, and if you open them, then the elements will turn out to be ... almost dead) ...
                The topic of various kinds of household batteries is widely represented on the Internet ... hi
            2. 0
              12 December 2021 21: 34
              Quote: AAG
              Do you think that "Mobile" s, "Idemits" s, "Shell" s, and "Castrol" appear in the nomenclature of fuel and lubricants of the Ministry of Defense

              Lukoil; GazpromNeft; Rosneft, etc. Not many imports can outperform Lukoil - try it, and you won't have to take off your hat before burning "import".
              1. Aag
                0
                12 December 2021 22: 13
                Quote: Serg Koma
                Quote: AAG
                Do you think that "Mobile" s, "Idemits" s, "Shell" s, and "Castrol" appear in the nomenclature of fuel and lubricants of the Ministry of Defense

                Lukoil; GazpromNeft; Rosneft, etc. Not many imports can outperform Lukoil - try it, and you won't have to take off your hat before burning "import".

                ... Why did you rush in so desperately? ...
                And I "took off" my hat as a sign of respect to the interlocutor ...
                Arguments for superiority ... "LukOil; GazpromNeft; RosNeft" available? Besides the price ...
                By the way, these brands also do not appear among the fuel and lubricants of the Ministry of Defense ...
                Then what is the spitch about?
                1. 0
                  13 December 2021 17: 02
                  [quote = AAG] I "took off" my hat as a sign of respect [/ quote]
                  Personally, in
                  [quote = Serg Koma] hats off [/ quote]
                  did not mean.
                  With many equals (and often of inferior quality), OUR consumers persistently choose an imported brand ...

                  [quote = AAG] Arguments for superiority. [/ quote]
                  Lukoil Lux 5W- 30 API SL / CF ACEA A5 / B5 - 1 R
                  Recommend imported oil in this category and in this price niche.
                  And in the appendage. Take a canister of Lukoil in your hands, and any import manufacturer - Lukoil will have more degrees of protection against counterfeiting at the packaging stage good
                  [quote = AAG] these brands also do not appear among the fuel and lubricants of the MO ..
                  Not really yours tongue
                  [quote] MINISTRY OF DEFENSE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
                  APPROVED
                  Head of the Missile Directorate
                  fuel and fuel of the Ministry of Defense
                  Russian Federation
                  Col.
                  V. Demirov
                  "___" January 2018 [/ quote]
                  (MOP - 1313500-01-2018)

                  Name and conditional
                  designation of fuels and lubricants
                  M-4z / 14-D
                  developer
                  FAU
                  "25 GosNII
                  chemotology
                  Ministry of Defence
                  Russia "
                  Manufacturer
                  LLC "LLK International" = PJSC "LUKOIL"
                  Brand - M-14G2k
                  Manufacturer
                  OJSC NK
                  Rosneft-MZ
                  "Oil product"
                  Brand - TSp-15K
                  Gazpromneft -
                  SM "" Omsk
                  lubricant plant
                  materials "

                  PS thanks for the minus hi
                  1. Aag
                    0
                    14 December 2021 15: 37
                    [quote = Serg Koma] [quote = AAG] I "took off" my hat as a sign of respect [/ quote]
                    Personally, in
                    [quote = Serg Koma] hats off [/ quote]
                    did not mean.
                    With many equals (and often of inferior quality), OUR consumers persistently choose an imported brand ...

                    [quote = AAG] Arguments for superiority. [/ quote]
                    Lukoil Lux 5W- 30 API SL / CF ACEA A5 / B5 - 1 R
                    Recommend imported oil in this category and in this price niche.
                    And in the appendage. Take a canister of Lukoil in your hands, and any import manufacturer - Lukoil will have more degrees of protection against counterfeiting at the packaging stage good
                    [quote = AAG] these brands also do not appear among the fuel and lubricants of the MO ..
                    Not really yours tongue
                    [quote] MINISTRY OF DEFENSE OF THE RUSSIAN FEDERATION
                    APPROVED
                    Head of the Missile Directorate
                    fuel and fuel of the Ministry of Defense
                    Russian Federation
                    Col.
                    V. Demirov
                    "___" January 2018 [/ quote]
                    (MOP - 1313500-01-2018)

                    Name and conditional
                    designation of fuels and lubricants
                    M-4z / 14-D
                    developer
                    FAU
                    "25 GosNII
                    chemotology
                    Ministry of Defence
                    Russia "
                    Manufacturer
                    LLC "LLK International" = PJSC "LUKOIL"
                    Brand - M-14G2k
                    Manufacturer
                    OJSC NK
                    Rosneft-MZ
                    "Oil product"
                    Brand - TSp-15K
                    Gazpromneft -
                    SM "" Omsk
                    lubricant plant
                    materials "

                    PS thanks for the minus hi[/ Quote]
                    ... Starting from the end: "minus" is not mine.
                    ... By the links, sorry, there is not enough time to "walk"
                    ... By manufacturers, developers ...
                    I don’t know how now, - is it possible that the manufacturer is indicated in the nomenclature of fuels and lubricants? And not marking according to the ancient GOST, later TU?
                    If not, if the manufacturer is indicated, is it direct lobbying of individual enterprises (and the people behind them)?
                    ... I remembered the times of Serdyukov-Vasilyeva, when it turned out that the boiler room that provided heat to the town (29th RVSN, mn Zeleny, Irkutsk) could not operate on the fuel oil of the ANHK (Angarsk Petrochemical Plant, ...- then he was still working ... 40 km from Irkutsk).
                    1. Aag
                      0
                      14 December 2021 16: 21
                      Well, I swore not to rassosolit ...
                      Again, for the third time, the comment flew ...
                      But I'm stubborn!
                    2. 0
                      14 December 2021 16: 56
                      Quote: AAG
                      If not, if the manufacturer is indicated, is it direct lobbying of individual enterprises (and the people behind them)?

                      And who has the production of fuels and lubricants at the present time? Previously (under the USSR) these factories were supplied to the SA, now they have a different owner.
                      Quote: AAG
                      Is it possible that the manufacturer is indicated in the nomenclature of fuels and lubricants?

                      You can see for yourself https://ens.mil.ru/files/MOP-2018-01.pdf (sorry, 2018, but hardly anything has changed significantly)
                      to the greatest regret, I was not allowed to the maps of the General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation "Capture of Kiev and Liberation of Ukraine in 2022" laughing
                      Quote: AAG
                      cannot operate on fuel oil of ANHK (Angarsk Petrochemical Plant

                      Town laughing They erected interstate borders / customs and it turned out that CHP (large) can only work on imported coal belay
                      Why go far - Motor Sich and Russia's defense capability recourse
                  2. Aag
                    0
                    14 December 2021 16: 26
                    ... Starting from the end ... For the third time: "minus" is not mine! ..
                    My evaluation concept for "VO"
          2. Aag
            0
            11 December 2021 20: 30
            And more ... On the launch of cars of different years of release ...
            IMHO, you undeservedly ... unflatteringly spoke about "Moskvich". It ran normally in cold weather! True, where I exploited the M-408IE left over from my father (Riga), there is no frost ...
            It should be noted that, unlike the Zhiguli, the Moskvich (up to 412th), like the GAZ-51, was designed to use water in the CO (cooling system). It is prescribed in the instructions. Accordingly, the CO itself was to It is adapted to this (tap from the block, tap from the radiator ...).
            Those. the procedure was regular.
            Try now to seat someone in such a car ...
            ... Fill in the CO of a modern car, sometimes a special one is required. equipment...
            And the Moskvich was launched no worse than the Zhiguli. was less resourceful, with a lower compression ratio. With serviceable systems, crank the crankshaft!
            Lada needs speed, and a spark, at higher pressure, is harder ...
            ... Returning to the "batteries" ... Familiar auto electricians call some models of modern cars trolleybuses (we are not talking about electric vehicles, hybrids ...) - you could go without a battery at all ...
            Now this is not enough on what cars are possible, - a bunch of sensors that require a certain voltage level and sufficient capacity for correct operation!
            Just a week ago, I drove into the a / service, as a client, the place is occupied - they charge a dead battery to the client, lit up with the mentioned booster, - they sent the client for a new battery. He returned with a report that the automatic transmission stopped kicking, and the "stove" worked fine, and the brakes did not "rattle" ...
            1. +4
              11 December 2021 21: 14
              Try now to seat someone in such a car.
              I'll tell you a secret - I am the owner of AZLK 2140 SL personally rolled out of the car
              October 25, 1985. Factory fitted (painted 3 years ago)
              100 thousand - rings, 200 thousand - piston. Last 10 years in work
              365 days a year. The electronics engineer himself, therefore, from interruptions
              months electronic ignition (in the case of the Zilovsky switchboard)
              Since then, I don't know anything about the breaker. The coil is also without a variator,
              those. receives all 12. Adapted to the valve - a plate on four tubes
              and two hour micrometers. You put the heads on the nuts and you "see" two
              valve, the probe is not needed, the accuracy is high. Advance, work of loads, vacuum corrector - by stroboscope. Once a year, I change the oil, pour the Ozone carburetor and do everything above. Check at the finish - hand in
              window, short "click" of the key - starting the engine. Yes, I forgot, and the chain
              -with the number one bolt down, crooked starter, well, according to the procedure.
              Well, now they presented how the device was licked, and I decided
              indulge, sticks out the same curve starter for now. And what do you think-
              it is with ME, yes IN SUMMER, yes with a NEW battery, yes with
              all my bells and whistles - and NOTHING HAPPENS! AND IN WINTER? !!!!
              Give him 200 rpm at a time, BUT I CAN'T KNOW WITH A HANDLE!
              Remember, never, no Moskvich, not even mine, not even on
              MG10I ("Zhiguli") could not compete with "Zhiguli"
              (the usual "teapot"!) to start in the cold - the engine is the case.
              By the way, a good example is ZIL130, "eight", a month worth
              "under the rubbish" - the birds have done, the body is full of all sorts of shit.
              The mechanic tears off the gas ticket from his heart and gives a ticket for
              garbage landfill. Grandfather the driver comes up to ZIL, puts
              a curved starter parallel to the ground, brings it sharply
              to "down" -90 DEGREES !!!! - and 8 whispers! I'm numb!
              But this is not about Moskvich. With Moskvich, the MAIN rule is
              do not bring the matter to the HANDLE (in the literal sense)
              1. Aag
                0
                11 December 2021 21: 32
                Quote: Kushka
                Try now to seat someone in such a car.
                I'll tell you a secret - I am the owner of AZLK 2140 SL personally rolled out of the car
                October 25, 1985. Factory fitted (painted 3 years ago)
                100 thousand - rings, 200 thousand - piston. Last 10 years in work
                365 days a year. The electronics engineer himself, therefore, from interruptions
                months electronic ignition (in the case of the Zilovsky switchboard)
                Since then, I don't know anything about the breaker. The coil is also without a variator,
                those. receives all 12. Adapted to the valve - a plate on four tubes
                and two hour micrometers. You put the heads on the nuts and you "see" two
                valve, the probe is not needed, the accuracy is high. Advance, work of loads, vacuum corrector - by stroboscope. Once a year, I change the oil, pour the Ozone carburetor and do everything above. Check at the finish - hand in
                window, short "click" of the key - starting the engine. Yes, I forgot, and the chain
                -with the number one bolt down, crooked starter, well, according to the procedure.
                Well, now they presented how the device was licked, and I decided
                indulge, sticks out the same curve starter for now. And what do you think-
                it is with ME, yes IN SUMMER, yes with a NEW battery, yes with
                all my bells and whistles - and NOTHING HAPPENS! AND IN WINTER? !!!!
                Give him 200 rpm at a time, BUT I CAN'T KNOW WITH A HANDLE!
                Remember, never, no Moskvich, not even mine, not even on
                MG10I ("Zhiguli") could not compete with "Zhiguli"
                (the usual "teapot"!) to start in the cold - the engine is the case.
                By the way, a good example is ZIL130, "eight", a month worth
                "under the rubbish" - the birds have done, the body is full of all sorts of shit.
                The mechanic tears off the gas ticket from his heart and gives a ticket for
                garbage landfill. Grandfather the driver comes up to ZIL, puts
                a curved starter parallel to the ground, brings it sharply
                to "down" -90 DEGREES !!!! - and 8 whispers! I'm numb!
                But this is not about Moskvich. With Moskvich, the MAIN rule is
                do not bring the matter to the HANDLE (in the literal sense)

                hi
                This must be answered in a substantive way, point by point.
                Sorry, -I fall asleep, -to answer in this state, -disrespect for the interlocutor.
                But, I can't help but react to something right away ...
                -2140 SL ...
                At a certain period of life, a dream!
                But, excuse me, we are talking about other "Muscovites" and their engines (I marked in the commentary "... up to M-412 ...") ./ rpm, compression ratio / ... request
                1. +1
                  11 December 2021 22: 31
                  Have a rest! We'll also "chat"
                  (Himself "sleepyhead" - did not sleep for 8 hours-
                  sex of a person)
      2. +4
        11 December 2021 20: 33
        In fact, there was not always enough compressed air to start the engine reliably, especially in winter. Very often it was necessary to use a combined start: air and AB at the same time. In winter, it is impossible to start a tank diesel engine without preliminary heating it with a heater. AB is needed for its work.
        1. +1
          12 December 2021 15: 23
          Quote: Fedorov Fedor
          In fact, there was not always enough compressed air to start the engine reliably, especially in winter.


          In the eighties, I had to deal with the development of a portable thermoelectric generator in the Leningrad branch of NIIIT, about which I wrote a short note:
          https://topwar.ru/179970-istorija-sozdanija-odnogo-maloizvestnogo-izdelija-prodolzhenie.html
          And at that time, in the same place, GABTU was conducting research on the creation of a high-power thermoelectric generator precisely for starting tank engines in the cold. The bottom line was that a large-power burner very quickly heated the semiconductor thermoelements, and they produced a powerful current for cranking the engine, working in parallel with the tank battery. Moreover, the stronger the frost, the more EMF was generated in the thermoelements at the start of work, and the less load was on the battery itself. In general, I do not know how it all ended, because perestroika began, problems appeared in the industry and the budget in the country, and then the collapse of the USSR began. So maybe someone knows the history of this scientific work, and what was obtained in the course of its implementation, but the fact that the GABTU was concerned about this suggests that this problem was given great attention.
        2. Aag
          +2
          12 December 2021 18: 29
          Quote: Fedorov Fedor
          In fact, there was not always enough compressed air to start the engine reliably, especially in winter. Very often it was necessary to use a combined start: air and AB at the same time. In winter, it is impossible to start a tank diesel engine without preliminary heating it with a heater. AB is needed for its work.

          By air ...
          I will never forget this pearl! (Sorry, I already mentioned it on the "pages" of "VO":
          I come as part of a complex inspection group to a neighboring regiment (there was such a practice, -for the exchange of experience, competition, snitching, -who was like ...) /
          The division rolls up in the fields. In the summer. All units started ... Except MAZ-543 (PKP rdn). elders, engineers, command ... Not really delving into the process of fuss, I go up to the sergeant: "Is there air? .."
          The answer was shocking, both in the form of presentation and in content (!!!): having drawn deeply, looking into the distance, as if into your joyless near future, with universal longing, understanding of the injustice of Life, Fatum, in a word (subordination, the demands of the UVS of the RF Armed Forces faded into against this background ...): "There is air ... There are no cylinders ..."
          A curtain!
          1. Aag
            0
            12 December 2021 19: 11
            Some clarifications for those interested ...
            The author has already asked about the UKS-400 ... (A four-stage compressor station with a maximum outlet pressure of up to 400 atm ...)
            In the Strategic Missile Forces, it was used, as a rule, for plugging air balloons). Personally, I am familiar from the days of the DOSAAF session in the diving club (the concept of diving did not exist then), - in the presence of normal benefits, the oil from the dividers could be used to clog with breathing air ...
            I remember being a lieutenant, he greatly surprised the chief engineer of the RDN with his knowledge in this area.
            So ... It's amazing that both the battery and the air economy were ... in such a corral (specifically about your regiment, division, time ...).
            There were ... one and a half batteries per regiment ... Considering that only one GSP (preparation and launch group) has up to 16 6ST-190 batteries, and this is only on combat units!
            ..this, -fiasco, kirdyk ...
            I remember how personally, being mr., Com. GPP, sawed the jumpers between the 6ST-190 cans with a hacksaw! In order to weld a couple of active, live pairs from several batteries (power supply 24v). The dashing commanders will ask, where were the BUT (heads of departments) ?! In outfits, yes DB !. And there were TWO fighters (about the MDK, I'm not talking about moral and business qualities, it was difficult with that ... But I was lucky.)! Instead of 16 ... (and 46, according to wartime state) ...
            Sorry, as always distracted ...
            UKS-400 ... While there were fresh batteries, it seems that no one remembered about it, even out of curiosity.
            By the time it was needed, from the carrier chassis (ZIL-131), little was preserved, - the ancient army principle, you don’t ride, - that means you don’t need it, so YOU ​​ARE A DONOR !!!
            In short, when this unit was really needed, it could no longer move on its own.
            Traction, according to the situation, was organized differently: from armored personnel carriers, to "barge haulers" ...
            Apotheosis. This is when there is no longer a cabin left ... Imagine - a ZIL-131 is rolling in tow ... (not everyone can guess the manufacturer, - there is no cabin). And two fighters are driving the towed unit, standing (there is no sidukh either), using a pair of open-end keys (there is no steering wheel either) ...
            ... Accordingly, in order not to drive this shame out of the park, they gave the command to remove the cylinders for subsequent refueling (in a regiment, in a division, in a neighboring regiment ...). Sometimes, for various reasons (weather, and (or) carelessness ), the units stood without the mentioned reserve for launch ... By the way, as a rule, it was worse if everything happened centrally. hi
    4. Aag
      +2
      11 December 2021 19: 20
      ... I swore not to write long comments!
      "... This music will be eternal,
      If I change the batteries ... "
      (C) V. Butusov.
      - It was only an epilogue!
      The rest is all gone))) ..
      And the sequel was, approximately, the next ...
      ... with this melody, and profanity, all body movements of the PGRK (Strategic Missile Forces) began at the end of the last century ...
      Everyone is hungry! But now we are only talking about those military gizmos that were powered by the battery: tiny, small, and heavy ... Lead, and nickel-cadmium (I don't remember lithium-ion, we will leave the silver-zinc to the submariners) ...
      Troubled economy ... Not only did it have to be protected from theft, it also had to be serviced in a timely manner, charged, and properly stored.
      Not yet about the HD starter batteries mentioned in the article ...
      Battery is needed by TSO (technical means of protection), night vision devices (night vision devices), and even, stupidly, to flashlights!
      Now also for reconnaissance UAVs
      ..By the way, one bastard said (didn’t see it, it was in the bathhouse, the eyes were in soap ...))) that those batteries only need to be charged (!) At the manufacturer's factory. ...
      Starter batteries, -separate song! ..
      ... "We call this groan a song ..." (C) N.A. Nekrasov.
      I remember that the regiment commander admonished the political officer (assistant for educational work with the l / s, I do not remember when and how they were renamed) who went for replenishment, so that he would "get hold of" a fighter from the city of Svirsk, whose parents work, have connections, the battery factory ... The scheme, at the present time, is unpretentious: a soldier, as a rule, is on vacation; batteries are supplied to the regiment. Bypassing supplies (which were not there!) Through the armament service.
      Corruption? May be...
      But, SUCH, I understand, I was justified ...
      ... let those who disagree "be the first to throw a stone at me ..." (C).
      ... Similarly, the political officer (so unloved by Bez) established close ties with the women's zone. I don’t know what he took there (most likely DT), but in shifts we ate delicious bread instead of gray ration crumb, or, more Worse, about the alcoholized one, who was lying down in the NZ. And the fighters did not receive sauerkraut, but cucumbers and tomatoes, fresh ...
  10. +6
    11 December 2021 11: 29
    Very informative, respect to the author, I look forward to continuing.
  11. +5
    11 December 2021 12: 53
    It is interesting to read, we are waiting for the continuation good
  12. +7
    11 December 2021 17: 31









    Archival photos of the same tank floating battalion in Kloog. Source: group in "Odnoklassniki" "We are from Klooga"
    1. +3
      11 December 2021 17: 42
      Gorgeous! On the last photo of the BRDM-1, if I'm not mistaken?
      1. +4
        11 December 2021 18: 21
        Of course!
        here's another. The propellers of the pontoons are visible
  13. +5
    11 December 2021 17: 44
    Quote: Crowe
    Repairmen - into battle!
    But where without them. As you know, “The tanks are coming - the political officer is great! The tanks are standing - the captains are in charge! "

    Yes, those who are responsible for the repair and restoration of equipment are like goalkeepers in football: they cannot score a ball, they just let it pass.
    Well, and the appropriate attitude ...
  14. +2
    11 December 2021 23: 15
    I liked the article and the exchange of opinions and memoirs of specialists very much.
    A lot of new and interesting information for me.
    Thank you!
  15. NSV
    +1
    12 December 2021 07: 40
    Interesting! Continuation!!!!)
  16. +2
    15 December 2021 17: 15
    the main type of starting is air, electric starting is auxiliary., actually now there is no starter, they use starter-generators. tank engines with a dry sump, before starting it is necessary to raise the pressure in the lubrication system. I remember the case when the chief ordered to start the D-12 engine, the civilian version of the tank. oxygen. it boomed hard, the engine shattered to pieces.
  17. +1
    16 December 2021 06: 56
    There were AT-1s in the Navy, we studied them completely
  18. +1
    17 December 2021 19: 58
    After the end of the life path of Zampotech, the mouths should go straight to heaven ...
  19. 0
    6 January 2022 00: 28
    how is the rembat staff represented by platoons, but where are the companies? On the ZIL chassis there were not special bodies, but a universal body of normal dimensions (KUNG) ... but otherwise NOSTALGIA! In part we were called iron people, or simply pieces of iron!
  20. 0
    2 March 2022 21: 23
    Someone will tell? Why don't repairmen follow the units in Ukraine now? A lot of abandoned non-working equipment
    1. -1
      3 March 2022 20: 16
      Quote: Dost
      Someone will tell? Why don't repairmen follow the units in Ukraine now?

      Reading comments is not fate? It was already.

      In short, there is no rear at the front. And the repairmen do not survive without a rear, they will eat them. Let it be better to burn abandoned cars. Something like this.
      1. 0
        3 March 2022 20: 19
        And to provide security from the Russian Guard until the evacuation? After all, there are special evacuation tractors
        1. -1
          3 March 2022 20: 21
          Quote: Dost
          there are special evacuation tractors

          Military, I was once a tanker. Do not beat me with "tractors".

          Quote: Dost
          And to provide security from the Russian Guard until the evacuation?

          They will devour it, the National Guard, along with guarded equipment. That's why they don't set guards, and there are no rembats.
          1. 0
            3 March 2022 20: 23
            It sucks. If the automotive equipment is somehow not particularly sorry, then the air defense systems and the like are quite expensive equipment.
            1. -1
              3 March 2022 20: 27
              Quote: Dost
              Sucks

              Well, someone planned it, let him have a headache. That this is not entirely correct, to put it mildly - I agree.