Future German Chancellor: Ukraine should remain a gas transit country

The position of the recently formed German government is that Ukraine should remain a gas transit country in the future. Berlin intends to support Kiev in this and not allow Russia to abandon the operation of this route for the supply of fuel to Europe.

This opinion was expressed at a press conference by the future German Chancellor Olaf Scholz, who will soon replace Angela Merkel in this post.

We advocated that Ukraine remain a transit country for gas. We will continue to do this.

- said the future head of the German government.

In practical terms, the new German authorities will seek to extend the transit contract between Moscow and Kiev. At the same time, the future chancellor supports the position of Washington, which advocates the introduction of anti-Russian sanctions in the event that the Kremlin uses gas exports to Europe for political purposes.

Scholz drew attention to the gravity of the situation on the Ukrainian borders, for the inviolability of which he, in his own words, strongly advocates. He also spoke in favor of making the Normandy format productive again, the purpose of which is to resolve the conflict in Donbas. According to the future chancellor, this can only be achieved through negotiations.

Scholz is expected to take over as early as tomorrow, December 8th.

Comments

[Andrei Nikolaevich]

Of course it should! For Moldova ..

[Anarchist]

Throw them pressure into the system so that this rusty misunderstanding is covered with a "pipe", then the sp-2 will be quickly certified.

[Tatyana]

The position of the recently formed German government is that Ukraine should remain a gas transit country in the future. Berlin intends to support Kiev in this and not allow Russia to abandon the operation of this route for the supply of fuel to Europe.
At the same time, the future chancellor supports the position of Washington, which advocates the introduction of anti-Russian sanctions in the event that the Kremlin uses gas exports to Europe for political purposes.

For some reason, Stolz has become too unsympathetic to me!
Oh, it's no coincidence that he has pro-American courage for all this!
Merkel was more "polite" with Russia.

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Scholz says the duty words. Let's see what he sings when it gets very cold in Europe!

[Barberry25]

well, ours did not refuse supplies through Ukraine, but ours did not promise that Ukraine would make money on it ..

[Adler77]

Looks like a chikatila (fucking disgusting

[Vladimir Mashkov]

Quote: Adler77

Looks like a chikatila (fucking disgusting

They are greeted according to their clothes, and they are seen off according to their minds. Let's see!
Although appearances most often reflect the essence of a person, there are times when appearances are deceiving. I had many friends, pleasant-looking, who - in fact - turned out to be very bad people. And there is a fierce-looking friend, but - in fact - the sweetest person.

[isv000]

Quote: Tatiana

For some reason, Stolz has become too unsympathetic to me!
Oh, it's no coincidence that he has pro-American courage for all this!
Merkel was more "polite" with Russia.

It will get rid of it. The husk will fly around, the inside will come out. He is rubbing himself in while, for greater importance, he drives the picture, squeezes - he will swear in eternal friendship!

[fruc]

In practical terms, the new German authorities will seek to extend the transit contract between Moscow and Kiev.

This is of course possible if in practical terms it will be beneficial to the Russian Federation, but if not, it means to stop transit. And this future future chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, Olaf Scholz, does not dare to tell us what, where and why .

[Alekseev]

Quote: frruc

perhaps, if in practical terms it will be beneficial to the Russian Federation

Absolutely accurate definition!
It all depends on Ukraine: if it is normal, friendly to Russia, then there will be transit. Otherwise, not only the transit will dry up, despite all the tricks, but the square itself will shrink considerably.

[fruc]

Precisely on condition that transit through a rusty pipe turns out to be cheaper and more reliable. Here the Federal Republic of Germany has a wide field for activity, let them invest funds into this highway, and then go on. In the meantime, there is no sense in this transit. Or let them refuse the services of Gazprom.

[cat Rusich]

Quote: frruc

Precisely on condition that transit through a rusty pipe turns out to be cheaper and more reliable. Here the Federal Republic of Germany has a wide field for activity, let them invest funds into this highway, and then go on. In the meantime, there is no sense in this transit. Or let them refuse the services of Gazprom.

Propose to the Chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany O. Scholz to pay for gas pumping through the Ukrainian GTS at the expense of the Federal Republic of Germany ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Alekseev

It all depends on Ukraine: if it is normal, friendly to Russia, then there will be transit.

Well, how can you yell, "Russia is an enemy, a moskalyak to a gilyak!"
Well, that there is no conscience, it is already clear, but in order to behave so impudently with the "feeding hand", it was already the mind that fell into the toilet.

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: frruc

And this future future chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany, Olaf Scholz, does not dare to tell us what, where and why.

Let him refresh his memory with notes about the fate of Hitler at his leisure ... He also wanted a lot, but got ...

[Thompson]

Not at all for Moldova. If Russia stops transit, and this is a minus huge free money from the budget of the non-working unreached. And they will have to make up for this from their budget in order to feed this misunderstanding! Here they are darting!

[hagen]

Quote: Thompson

And they will have to make up for this from their budget in order to feed this misunderstanding! Here they are darting!

I think it's easier. The elder ordered, here is the future chancellor and sings the opera from hearsay. They already got cold. But the certification schedule has not changed. Actually, Gazprom plays into the hands of it. The longer the certification takes, the longer the gas price tag The gas price tag at the hubs of Europe is kept at maximum heights. At the same time, Miller will eventually understand that most of the production must be processed and developed within the country, and not by driving it abroad. It is necessary to create conditions for the entire European petrochemistry, and the energy sector, to creep into Russia, and in return they receive only electricity, as a product of the final processing, including gas.

[Rex]

The main facilities of the Gazprom Group for gas processing and gas chemistry as of December 31, 2020:

Astrakhan Gas Processing Plant (GPP);

Orenburg GPP;

Sosnogorsk GPP;

Yuzhno-Priobskiy GPP (Gazprom Group's access to 50% of capacity);

Orenburg Helium Plant;

Tomsk Methanol Plant;

Monomer plant, Gazprom neftekhim Salavat LLC;

Gas chemical plant OOO Gazprom neftekhim Salavat;

Plant for the production of mineral fertilizers OOO Gazprom neftekhim Salavat.

+ Under construction:

Amur Gas Processing Plant (the first production line was launched in June 2021). In the Leningrad Region - a complex for the processing of ethane-containing gas and the production of LNG in Ust-Luga. The factories will be among the most powerful in the world. The Amur GPP will be the leader in the production of helium, and the complex in Ust-Luga will be the largest in terms of production of liquefied natural gas in the region of North-Western Europe.

[hagen]

Quote: Rex

The main facilities of the Gazprom Group for gas processing and gas chemistry

And what do you want to say with this list? Great achievements?
BASF AG, Ludwigshafen, Germany - 2005 sales of $ 53,2 billion. Sibur Holding (Moscow) in 2019 - 531,3 billion rubles. Do you need to explain something? It is very good that attention has recently begun to be paid to petrochemistry. But so far, our lag in this area is very significant. And this is the field in which not only Gazprom and Rosneft should work, the entire might of the state should work here. Only this can help our economy to be independent of any energy packages, charters, flows and whims of European and Asian officials. We have everything for this, we just sometimes need a "life-giving pendel", such as from the Japanese, who refused to sell us polymer products for MS-21 wings, for example ...

[Rex]

The world's largest helium plant is not an achievement? Moreover, it was erected in an open field. The same Zapsibneftekhim, one of the largest in the world, was also built from scratch.
The Baden plant cannot be moved just like that, it turned 156 this year.

[hagen]

Quote: Rex

The world's largest helium plant is not an achievement?

Everything in the world is relative. If the Amur GPP is compared with an open field, then it is an achievement. And if we compare the development of gas chemistry in a country with huge gas reserves with one in which there is very little gas (Germany, Japan, etc.), then we still look very pale. At the same time, I will emphasize that the country's very attention to this industry today is very positive and very opportune. Better a little late than never. But you must agree that in this matter we are very late to the current political situation. We can even say that the situation itself became possible due to our technological lag, among other things, in the chemical industry. So there is no need to relax, we need to maximize efforts to fully process everything that we extract from Russia. And it is not necessary to compare the ages of factories, but to increase the share of processed from the mined. And then we still have to run and run ...

[Rex]

"The road will be mastered by the walking one." The Grefokudrinochubays advocated the sale of crude oil, "we will buy what we need." That's the bottom line.

[hagen]

Quote: Rex

The Grefokudrinochubays advocated the sale of crude oil, "we will buy what we need." That's the bottom line.

For the sake of objectivity, I will say that we started producing oil and gas in our country long before Gref and Chubais ... The situation was no better. It must be admitted that we are especially prolific for ideas and accomplishments when we are especially impressed ... We then manage to rebuild entire industries, t.s. in an open field. Someday we will make our own computer for the population. But before that, the Chinese must refuse us ... Otherwise, no way.

[Rex]

"Until the thunder breaks out, the man does not cross himself"

[isv000]

Quote: Anarchist

Throw them pressure into the system so that this rusty misunderstanding is covered with a "pipe",

And nothing reprehensible! Did you ask for an increase in transit through Ukraine? Receive and sign, do not forget the prepayment one year in advance ...

[Jacket in stock]

Quote: Andrey Nikolaevich

For Moldova

Yes, it seems like they were fed through the Turkish Stream, or did I confuse them?

[riwas]

Of course it should! For Moldova ..

Not so much for Moldova, but for Transnistria.

[Vend]

Well, if it should, then let Germany fill the Ukrainian pipes with gas

[tralflot1832]

Buy gas through Ukraine and it will be profitable for us? So be it we will supply gas through Ukraine! What is the question?

[private person]

Will you buy gas through Ukraine and will it be profitable for us?

Well, yes, if the Germans themselves pay for transit and the price for gas is market.

[prior]

The price of Russian gas on the border between Ukraine and Russia should be set on a spot basis, as in Europe.
And then - on the way. Buy who you want, transit who you want ...
And most importantly, everything is in accordance with European energy packages and laws ...
If Germany wants through Ukraine, let it buy from Russia at the border at the spot price and pay Ukraine for transit.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: prior

If Germany wants through Ukraine, let it buy from Russia at the border at the spot price and pay Ukraine for transit.

This is the only way, and nothing else. This is how it is in Europe, and why it should be different in Russia. Guys, stop feeding Bandera and Russophobes.

[Beringovsky]

Quote: tihonmarine

Guys, stop feeding Bandera and Russophobes.

Are you reproaching us? ... Okay, tomorrow I will issue a decree so that they don't feed ...
And then let's publish with you, business then?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Beringovsky

And then let's publish with you, business then?

So I would be happy to write a decree, but I do not live in Russia. Therefore, I am writing "Guys, enough to feed the Bandera ..."

[Aag]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: Beringovsky

And then let's publish with you, business then?

So I would be happy to write a decree, but I do not live in Russia. Therefore, I am writing "Guys, enough to feed the Bandera ..."

And so they would have written !!!
... Do not go far, - work remotely, - issue a decree, or, at least, an appeal to the Government of Estonia not to deploy NATO military units, forces, means on the territory of the country of residence ...
Not a reproach! - he himself comes from the Baltic states, - relatives, friends, - many are there ... And, some teach, from there, like the Russian Federation in general, and in particular, I need to "resist the West, the USA, etc., and etc ....
... I understand, the question is extremely ambiguous - who threw whom, when (I mean the former Union Republics ... And I do not mix, -I try, the opinion of the peoples, with the policy pursued by the States (elites, elites, henchmen) ...
But I really do not like the situation when everyone around is waiting - ... let it be from "In the world of animals,"))). - either the elephant is flying (there will be enough meat for all scavengers for a while), or this elephant, conventionally, will disperse the entire lion's pride, and each jackal will slowly, in labor, hunt frogs, gophers for food ...
Nuuu, so, roughly ... attracted ...

[tihonmarine]

Quote: AAG

..I understand, the question is extremely ambiguous - who threw whom, when (I mean the former Union Republics ... And I do not mix, -I try, the opinion of peoples, with the policy pursued by the States (elites, elites, henchmen).

Well, Yeltsin clearly threw us (he was given a bas-relief of how you climb from the station to Vashgorod) back in January 1991. Then on August 19, 1991. The next day we woke up in another state, but people wanted it. Yes, at first Gorbachev made two communist parties, and the referendum was not allowed to be held, although we held it, but we did not defend it. Although there is no silver lining, we haven't spilled a drop of blood. Although when the EBNovskaya time began in Russia, there were bandits from Perm, Chechen, Kazan, so they were shot. But our fellows, created WWW and cleaned everyone out within two years. As for the rest, like everywhere else, the people have their own, the politicians have their own, but we are used to it. Well, when you live for more than 50 years, then it's like a fish in water. I will say one thing we do not have shooting in schools and centers. In Russia, people do not understand our life, everything is there that song that was 20 years ago. Now "Karon" children on some scales are at a distance, and the rest are working, but they will not be allowed into the tavern without a vaccine certificate. The Christmas market has begun on the Town Hall Square. I work, I retired at 70 (on benefits at 47).

[Aag]

Dear tihonmarine! (True! Which, however, does not prevent me from putting "minuses" to you for those comments, thoughts with which I disagree ... And do not require objections, comments ...)
Yeltsin, Yeltsin ... You could not help but see how many comments on the topic "The Army has betrayed! Shame! How loyalty to the Oath ?!"
... And who remembers the text?
... In modern films, "I serve the Soviet Union!" (Like a reproach? Along with the NKVD?)
And about "labor", "Soviet people" from the military oaths, different years, no one remembers ?!
... Who among "us" were the first Heroes of the Russian Federation there? ...
... Sorry, it came ...
But, you are also "good"! - all in a bunch, - bandyukov, "revolutionaries" ... (in the cemeteries of the Irkutsk region you can find whole "alleys" of respected brothers ... Brothers, - without quotes .... In 90 - That is, in local newspapers the names flashed like local, regional, international author of the criminal world ... Now, streets, squares are called by their names ... Like, patrons! ..And when the vector was designated, strictly in "EP"!

[svp67]

Quote: AAG

... In modern films, "I serve the Soviet Union!" (Like a reproach? Along with the NKVD?)
And about "labor", "Soviet people" from the military oaths, different years, no one remembers ?!

You are confusing something. It is in the new films that the mention of "I Serve the Soviet Union" is carefully avoided, replacing it with the already canceled "I Serve the Working People" in 1937

[tihonmarine]

Quote: AAG

Dear tihonmarine! (True! Which, however, does not prevent me from giving "minuses" to you for those comments, thoughts with which I disagree ..

So that's why we write, I am my thoughts, you are yours. And I know very well that my thoughts are at odds with many.
And the person must show that he disagrees, or agrees.

[Aag]

Quote: tihonmarine

Quote: AAG

Dear tihonmarine! (True! Which, however, does not prevent me from giving "minuses" to you for those comments, thoughts with which I disagree ..

So that's why we write, I am my thoughts, you are yours. And I know very well that my thoughts are at odds with many.
And the person must show that he disagrees, or agrees.

For this "plus"!

[Beringovsky]

With such a request, it is not necessary to visit us at VO, this is the wrong address. It's better at Sportloto

[Ross xnumx]

Quote: prior

If Germany wants through Ukraine, let it buy from Russia at the border at the spot price and pay Ukraine for transit.

There are like-minded people among the users ...

[vitvit123]

And if no one wants to buy at the spot price at the border, then what should we do with him in this case? What to do with it? I understand that it is not so easy for us to stop the transit, then download it again, etc. ..

[Mountain shooter]

Quote: vitvit123

What to do with it? I understand that it is also not so easy for us to stop the transit, then download it again, etc.

For this there are UGS facilities. Their capacity is large.

[vitvit123]

This is not an option .. pkhg may fill up, but those who wish will still not come ... next ..?

[mole]

Let them develop their industry!
Connect to the pipe free of charge all those interested in the territory of the Russian Federation. At half price on the territories of the Union States.
And those who are against, simply against, because they are pulled by bells, immediately close the valve. They will ripen, they will ask for a dialogue, you can do a favor. And then one monologue.

[Shiden]

Leonid your comment is incomparable

Quote: Mole

Connect to the pipe free of charge all those interested in the territory of the Russian Federation. At half price on the territories of the Union States.

Here I am interested in the Russian Federation as far as I read Russian commentators, the feeling that for free only those in power can get something.

[ANB]

... The price of Russian gas on the border of Ukraine with Russia should be set on a spot basis, as in Europe

No, this price should be at the junction point of the joint venture, Ukraine. Further, for transportation through the territory of Russia to the border with Ukraine, you need a contract for 5 years, download or pay, with the current Ukrainian prices. And then let them come to an agreement with Ukraine.
There must be fair competition between routes. :)

[Pavel episkop]

And you don't need to ask Gazprom already? Super logic)) it is obvious that the chancellor is a decoy from the Vashobkom) sound forces and industrialists will soon put him in his place, I think ..

[Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov]

Ukraine must remain gas transit country

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Gazprom will not spender...
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[Victorio]

Quote: Vladimir Vladimirovich Vorontsov

Ukraine must remain gas transit country

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Gazprom will not spender...
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) and then Ukraine will not parasite

[svoit]

... the case of the Kremlin's use of gas exports to Europe for political purposes.

that is, he himself is not at all opposed to such a use of transit, but to others - no, no

[SKVichyakow]

So send her gas, though reverse. But they agree to everything, just to receive.

[Vasyan1971]

Berlin intends to support Kiev in this and not allow Russia to abandon the operation of this route for the supply of fuel to Europe.

How? Refuse SP2?

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasyan1971

How? Refuse SP2?

In Tallinn today it is -22 again, I would like Berlin to have the same temperature.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: tihonmarine

In Tallinn today it is -22 again, I would like Berlin to have the same temperature.

Until June inclusive.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: Vasyan1971

Until June inclusive.

I vote with both hands - FOR !!!

[alexmach]

How? Refuse SP2?

If it refuses, it will not refuse, and the application of the norms of this very European energy package to SP2 is entirely in the hands of Germany.

[Vasyan1971]

Quote: alexmach

the application of the norms of this very European energy package to SP2

The same egg, but a side view: "we certainly do not refuse, but ..."

[Arctic]

Yes, there are no questions, let it remain, who is stopping her. Only one caveat - without a gas supplier to fill the pipe)))

[rocket757]

Future German Chancellor: Ukraine should remain a gas transit country

... Nobody wants to support the country at their own expense ... not even gay European partners.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Nobody wants to support the country at their own expense ... not even gay European partners.

And they are trying to shift everything to Russia. Forgetting what they themselves promised them NATU and Europpsoyuz.

[rocket757]

To promise does not mean to marry ... the more the "bride" is too painful ... not ice, in short.
Even the Gay Europeans understood this, but the "daughter-in-law" is not aware of it.

[tihonmarine]

Quote: rocket757

Even the Gay Europeans understood this, but the "daughter-in-law" is not aware of it.

This arrogant bride, has not yet gone down the aisle, but demands, like a greedy wife.

[rocket757]

The result is known in advance ... but not everyone, as you can see.

[pyagomail.com]

Berlin intends

prevent Russia from abandoning the operation of this route for the supply of fuel to Europe.

It's somehow already strange: it is clear that Europe is a vassal of the United States, but Russia is not a vassal of the FRG, on the contrary, more than once our glorious ancestors took Berlin. All in all, the Western world is racing.

[paul3390]

I think it's not up to him to decide. If the question arises harshly - either without Ukraine, or not in any way, what will he choose?

[tralflot1832]

I don't like this miracle in the morning with my statements. The invasion of Ukraine by Russian troops is not an acceptable scenario for Europe. It means they can, but we cannot defend our interests. As long as Lavrov’s department.

[Brturin]

I spoke up .. but then just try to get out of the chorus .. and we'll see the case, then it will be clear ... and the question, but the Polish transit somehow came to zero and no one to worry (neither the Poles, nor the Germans, nor the states ) ... the Poles decided to throw themselves into the "warm" embrace of the Germans and receive "democratic" gas by physical reverse from Germany ....

[Fox_Fox]

Gazprom should have followed the example of the United States - to put all its capacities into the Asian market. Then they would sing a completely different song in Europe.

[alexmach]

Physically unrealizable. Bye.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: alexmach

Physically unrealizable. Bye.

There is already a jumper planned. So that from the fields from which transit to the west is possible (the EU and the European part of Russia), it would be possible to transfer volumes to Asia (China).

[alexmach]

There is already a jumper planned

Yes, planned. The thing is very useful. Only it has been planned for 5 years already. Maybe in another 5 years .. with a fortunate coincidence.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: alexmach

There is already a jumper planned

Yes, planned. The thing is very useful. Only it has been planned for 5 years already. Maybe in another 5 years .. with a fortunate coincidence.

Maybe because such a jumper is not particularly needed yet.
It is planned to build one more string of the gas pipeline to China, to more industrialized regions, where there is a great need for gas and electricity.

Then the volumes in excess of the contract can be sold on the stock exchange in St. Petersburg. How to organize a meeting between the EU and China in St. Petersburg ...

[alexmach]

Maybe because such a jumper is not particularly needed yet.

Needed already yesterday. About the same SP-2, having such a jumper, it would be much easier to negotiate. And for the gasification of Russia and the development of regions, such a bridge will not be harmful.

According to rumors, the difficulty is in the jumper, more precisely in the Power of Siberia-2, and this is never a jumper, this is a whole gas pipeline, a separate jumper will also be needed in order to combine Power-Siberia2 with the first, so the difficulty is that it is very beneficial to Russia, and Russia wants to build it with the financial participation of China. And in China, too, people are on their own.

[Vadim237]

It is up to Russia to decide whether to leave Ukraine as a transit country for gas or not and not to Scholz and not to Ukraine itself and other outside figures of Western politics.

[Podvodnik]

Buy gas on the border of Ukraine with Russia and drive it further wherever and wherever you want. At least wear basins if you can. What is the problem? Mr. future chancellor?

[Brturin]

Quote: Podvodnik

What is the problem? Mr. future chancellor?

so it's not the chancellor who buys gas volumes ... Back in 2014, Ukraine was quoted as saying
"Changing the delivery point for gas to eastern Ukraine by European companies is a commercial matter. Therefore, the companies themselves should discuss it. But we believe that it can and should be an opportunity to implement such an idea," the UNIAN news agency quotes Berger.
"This is a commercial business" the European official said, how many children have passed, and "commerce" somehow did not make progress in the implementation of this idea, somehow it was not heard from the Europeans, we are ready to buy, but we are refused ... The Chancellor does not need to go far , let him at home and inquire that it was his company that did not burn with such a desire.

[Sheridan]

So the gas is really needed, but only through the ukrotruba? There will be, but only until the end of the contract and in the agreed amount. I am interested to know - and the seller may no longer want to use this route as the main one?

[Andrea]

To whom should I? Russia, Europe or someone else?
However, it may stay, if there is a desire to compete.
However, the mentality will not allow to reduce tariffs, and the thirst for freebies to repair the pipe.

[Prisoner]

Why not stumble across, for the sake of a warm place. Let him sit in a chair, then we will listen to what he says and what he will do.

[K-50]

Future German Chancellor: Ukraine should remain a gas transit country

Take it and transit !!!
Again, at the expense of Russia, you want to solve everything? And we have strained with patience lately. You can just get a fig.

[tihonmarine]

Scholz drew attention to the seriousness of the situation on the Ukrainian borders, for the inviolability of which he, in his own words, strongly advocates.

It is clear who Scholz will work for. The owner said - "It is necessary!" Scholz replied - "Yavol!"

[Klingon]

Transiting through Banderland? No problem. Only the buyer pays for shipping
What is wrong? Buy something on Alik, when you put one price in the basket, and then when you pay, the price for delivery and customs clearance also comes up. Why should it be different with gas?
Well, you can cheat, first raise the price and say that the type of delivery is free.

[Alexander X]

Yes please. You can also download it through Ukraine, but the terms of delivery: to the border of Russia with Ukraine. And what will be stolen in the ruin while they will be pumping is already the risk of the buyer. And the buyer pays the transfer cost himself.
Well, if you don’t want to, then don’t buy Russian gas. The Chinese will buy it back with great pleasure ...

[Astronomy]

Quote: Alexander X

but the terms of delivery: to the border of Russia with Ukraine

strict requirement of Gazprom.
Although this is exactly what the EU + Ukraine offered.
But Gazprom does not agree to sell at the border.

[razved]

We advocated that Ukraine remain a transit country for gas. We will continue to do this.

In principle, there is nothing simpler: you buy gas on the Russian-Ukrainian border and pay for gas transit through the territory of Ukraine yourself. Only for this it is necessary to make appropriate changes to the contracts for the supply of Russian gas.

[Pandiurin]

Quote: razved

We advocated that Ukraine remain a transit country for gas. We will continue to do this.

In principle, there is nothing simpler: you buy gas on the Russian-Ukrainian border and pay for gas transit through the territory of Ukraine yourself. Only for this it is necessary to make appropriate changes to the contracts for the supply of Russian gas.

It is not advisable to do this.
Thus, this will increase the value of the Ukrainian GTS for the EU. Ukraine has huge underground storage facilities.
It turns out that there will be a European intermediary in the sale of gas at the technical capacities of the Ukrainian gas transportation system. Most likely, gas will not become cheaper for the end consumer, Gazprom will lose money in money, the difference will settle in Ukraine and in some sort of EU left-handed reseller company, which will begin to lobby for anti-Russian initiatives.

Who needs this?
It is easier to close the transit through 404 completely, there are technical possibilities to pump gas through new pipelines, if Europe needs it, they will buy it, if not, let it sit without gas. You can't sell anything by force.

[razved]

So the fact of the matter is that the Europeans themselves do not want to buy gas at the border. Although they were offered ...
Regarding the Ukrainian GTS: it is high time to modernize it, but Ukraine has no money for this (or does not want to invest). The Europeans do not need this either. They all need Russia to pay for gas transit, or even better, to fully provide the country with 404 and now "on the way to the EU", and then ...

[Pandiurin]

Quote: razved

So the fact of the matter is that the Europeans themselves do not want to buy gas at the border. Although they were offered ...
Regarding the Ukrainian GTS: it is high time to modernize it, but Ukraine has no money for this (or does not want to invest). The Europeans do not need this either. They all need Russia to pay for gas transit, or even better, to fully provide the country with 404 and now "on the way to the EU", and then ...

This is a matter of responsibility and investment.

We don't need that either.
Our option is 0 for transit through Ukraine after 2024 and maybe even earlier.

Two problems need to be completely resolved.

Support for the anti-Russian junta by EU countries for reasons of:
- energy security, because part of the supplies goes / went through Ukraine.
- for purely political reasons, as a continuation of the EU's anti-Russian policy.

With zero transit through 404 or the ability to redirect it through alternative routes at any time, everything is brought to the surface.

If we say the chancellor of the Federal Republic of Germany squeals, as now, that he needs transit through 404, he cannot say that he is defending the interests of Germany.
Previously, it was possible to manipulate concepts and pass off a pro-American policy contrary to the interests of Germany as a pro-German position. If transit drops to zero in 404. It will be interesting to see the Germans refuse to buy gas from Gazprom not in words, as now, but in deeds.

[Avior]

the Europeans themselves do not want to buy gas at the border. Although they were offered ...

Can you help with the link where you suggested it?

[razved]

Unfortunately, there is no link. This is, so to speak, exclusive. Yes, and it was not today and not yesterday ... The Europeans refused themselves, it is not profitable for them both economically and politically. Take my word for it.

[Avior]

it is known that Gazprom has repeatedly received offers to sell gas on the Russian-Ukrainian border, but has invariably refused.

KIEV, September 15. / TASS /. Naftogaz of Ukraine insists that Gazprom sell gas on the border of Russia and Ukraine

"Large European companies can offer Gazprom to sell gas at the Ukraine-Russia border and buy out this gas. In order to resolve the situation and increase the EU's energy security, they can subsequently pump this gas into storage facilities and sell it to Ukraine." this situation has all legal grounds (to carry out such an operation - Ed.), it all depends on his decision. Today we received a response from Gazprom that this is impossible - there is no explanation "... the proposal to use a European intermediary company was general from Ukraine and the EU.

Your statement is strictly opposite to the known facts. That is why I asked you to give a link.

[SavranP]

As far as I remember, in the winter of 2006 or 2007, Ukraine had nothing to pay for gas for its needs and it began to take transit gas for itself. Gazprom asked consumers in Europe to accept gas at the Russian-Ukrainian border. The Europeans refused, then Gazprom closed the valve on the pipe and became very bad for Europe and "shaking hands".

[Avior]

As far as I remember ...

Do you remember a little mistakenly

Ukraine did not carry out unauthorized selection of Russian gas intended for European users, said Sergei Stepashin, head of the Russian Audit Chamber.
“As for violations, they were in Naftogaz, and in our country, this is a matter of contracts. We made an absolutely accurate conclusion that we did not see direct theft in this situation, ”the Russian official said.
He noted that in the last year's situation around gas supplies to Europe through the Ukrainian territory, the Accounts Chamber of Russia and the Accounts Chamber of Ukraine carried out parallel checks of the participants in the supplies.

https://www.gazeta.ru/news/business/2009/12/29/n_1440569.shtml

[razved]

The quotes you set out are known. Naftogaz's hobbyists are, so to speak, his difficulties. Doing business with this organization, to put it mildly, is not interesting. The fact that "Big European companies can offer Gazprom" does not at all mean the existence of the offer itself. It is more of a talking shop, and the matter is so far away that it will not even reach it.
Ps We must also take into account that not everything that is brought up for public display is true ...

[Avior]

And you first re-read the thread, and do not snatch my posts out of context.
The point is that your statement contradicts the known data, and you have not provided evidence that Gazprom allegedly offered to buy gas at the border.
If you can bring it - bring it, and if you cannot, then it makes no sense to discuss something with you on this issue

[razved]

We are not on trial to provide evidence ... If you want to believe what you believe in, that is your right. All the best to you!

[Avior]

We are in fellowship in a forum, not in a church to believe. If you have nothing to support your statements, then there is nothing to discuss with you.

[Borisych]

And this descendant of the Nibelungs should grow patla.

[svp67]

What are the problems. Germany is the easiest to do this, it is necessary to simply increase gas purchases from Gazprom

[victor_47]

Everything is leading to the fact that there will be no transit or transit countries. Physically. There will be no one to supply gas to.

[klimalekc]

If Germany pays for transit, then you can leave it. Though nonsense.

[Knell wardenheart]

What other wishes will there be? Can the Gazprom delegation appear at the negotiations in the costumes of clowns?

[parusnik]

Every whim for your money.

[impostor]

We advocated that Ukraine remain a transit country for gas. We will continue to do this.

No problem with that. Mr. Scholz negotiates with the Baltic tigers and Poles, pushes the decision in the Bundestag, loops the Ukrainian GTS to the Swinoujscie LNG terminal, Baltic terminals, and voila! Ukraine is a transit country for molecules of freedom.

[Roma 1977]

According to the Third Energy Package, Germany can pump any of its gas through the territory of Ukraine, even the one that it received from Russia through the Northern Streams. Nobody objects.

[Vladyka Ecumenical]

From the piano, Russia owes something to someone, as they want at the top, it will and will not ask anyone.

[impostor]

It is time for Europe to quit unnatural hobbies. Everything should follow the natural course of events. You can not use the anus for nothing other than purely for bowel movements. You cannot change Ohm's law for a section of a circuit, even if you are a Bismarck: THE MORE RESISTANCE (transit price, third energy package), THE LESS CURRENT (pumping).

[Viktor Sergeev]

Let him repeat: Ass durrrak. From a change in the places of the terms, nothing changes.

[Anton Boldakov]

By itself. But a reserve transit, not the main one (which, by the way, completely coincides with the desire of Russia itself. But Ukraine wants to be just the main one).

[Sergey Aleksandrovich]

Germany can buy gas through SP-2, and just give money to Ukraine, as if the gas is bypassed through the Square. Why once again smoke the sky, harm the environment, drive gas around to bypass?

[zloybond]

let it transit - no one is against it - only let it transit itself. and we will observe from the side.

[Shiva83483]

Future Chancellor of Germany: Ukraine should remain a gas transit country ... but not a question, at your expense, and your resources ...

[fif21]

What else can the Chancellor of an occupied country say? And how and where to pump gas from the Russian Federation is none of his business. Gave the Germans a chance to make money on the SP-2 - use it and thank you.

[hohohol]

Future German Chancellor: Ukraine should remain a gas transit country

No problem. As soon as the FRG starts supplying gas to Russia, you can at least transport it in cans through Ukraine. In the meantime, Russia decides to whom and how to supply.

[Vladimir61]

I don’t know how a transit country, but a gas one, if you please! Have your own gas, pump and sell, no one bothers!

[p0pulivox]

It seems that as soon as the discussion of the "gas" topic begins, common sense is turned off for many and an extraordinary excitement begins! I don’t even want to talk about trolls. This news directly confirms the simple idea that I once expressed earlier in the comments to one of the previous similar topics: of course, the EU (and Germany) will seek a new extension of gas transit through Ukraine and there are chances for this. We are dependent on the export of hydrocarbons and cannot promptly (and not promptly too) reorient flows to other markets. Moreover, the question arises: will the reorientation be profitable, equal or unprofitable?

[alystan]

Well, Scholz, get ready for the cold winter!

[wiltshire cat]

Olaf Scholz is familiar with financial products. Wirecard, Cum-Ex. Otherwise, the technocrat fulfills Washington's wishes.

[Keer]

Well, if they are so fond of suckers, then they can pay for the delivery at the entrance to the Ukrainian GTS, and continue to tinker with them themselves.

[iouris]

Translation from German: Ukraine must remain. At the expense of the Russian Federation.

[Fitter65]

We advocated that Ukraine remain a transit country for gas. We will continue to do this.

Well, I agree, let it remain, all the more it is not necessary to transit Russian non-environmentally friendly gas, there are a bunch of other suppliers who will fill the Ukrainian GTS instead of Russia.

[businessv]

The position of the recently formed German government is that Ukraine should remain a gas transit country in the future.

Still, the Germans do not want to feed the Square, they are striving to shift this honorable duty onto us! To maintain the status quo again at our expense, so to speak. Scholz is clearly not the one who will offer us adequate and equal. mutually beneficial relationship.

[Two]

So that's Schroeder's boyfriend yong! Maybe he’ll get hunted !?

[Dzafdet]

Do the Germans want it? These are their problems. We close a piece of the gas pipeline for repairs for about twenty years and that’s it!

[Reserve buildbat]

Yes, let Ukraine be a transit country! be called
We have every right to independently determine the routes for pumping gas. If someone is not satisfied, let them buy the “liquid” from mattresses. No one is forcing you to buy gas from Russia.