American experts assess the potential of the Ukrainian air defense system

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The United States does not exclude the supply of air defense systems to Ukraine, but only after studying the air defense system of Ukraine. American specialists have already visited Kiev.

The United States sent experts to Ukraine to study and assess the potential of the existing air defense system left over from the Soviet Union. This was caused by the latest requests from Kiev, which complained about the complete absence of anti-aircraft systems. The Ukrainian petitioners, on whose behalf the new Defense Minister Alexei Reznikov spoke, did not forget to remind the Americans of the "Russian threat".



As reported, American experts on the assessment of US air defense systems last week visited units and subdivisions of the Air Force of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, where they were shown what is in service with the Ukrainian army and how it is planned to be used in the event of hostilities. It is not reported what conclusion the experts have come to, but so far Washington has not made any statements on this matter, except for general political statements about "support" and so on.

Against this background, Ukrainian military "experts" began disputes about the likely supply of anti-aircraft systems. Some argue that the United States will supply Ukraine "almost for nothing" with Patriot air defense systems or other complexes of a similar class. It is alleged that American senators are in favor of this. Others, on the contrary, say that there is also the White House, which does not want to irritate Putin, therefore, if Ukraine gets anything, it is most likely portable anti-aircraft systems. No one will give Kiev any air defense systems, especially "for free", but there is no money to "buy".

However, in Kiev, they continue to hope for the best, declaring the danger posed by the Russian aviation... And then, as luck would have it, Belarus also opened its airspace for Russian aircraft. As they say in Kiev, the danger of a missile strike on the most important infrastructure "has increased many times."
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  1. +6
    7 December 2021 14: 11
    It is more brutal to be the one who dug the Black Sea and poured mountains, who created the language and from whom all other peoples went on earth!
    Air defense - a farm cart-cart, and on it the hopak dancers in trousers with bows and arrows - they will take off in jumps to the desired height and shoot down the Russian flyers with an arrow ...
    But in fact, well, the United States will give them more Stingers ... Well, at the very least, close airspace will be covered, and who will organize missile defense and how to organize it? After all, the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation will not go in straight boxes for machine guns ... and the planes are in formation for air defense missiles and the Air Force of the Armed Forces of the Armed Forces. First, dots and iskanders will arrive, as well as other UAVs and strategists will shoot from a distance. And when there will be smoke and flames at the place of air defense calculations, planes will also arrive, and they will have nothing to oppose. So, if they think shallowly, ask the United States for a missile defense system, and the Jews - an iron dome - at least ...
    1. +4
      7 December 2021 14: 51
      Quote: mojohed2012
      ask the US for a missile defense system, and the Jews for an iron dome - at least ...

      Jews are there and there, they are everywhere!
      1. +2
        7 December 2021 16: 25
        Something reminds me:
        feed the deaf on the radio
        to the blind on the TV
        legless on a bike
        impotent on a condom ...
        1. +1
          7 December 2021 16: 48
          Quote: aleks neym_2
          Something reminds me:

          Do not do not ... Sell. And nothing else!
          1. 0
            7 December 2021 17: 30
            Sell? So everyone can buy WHEN MONEY IS AVAILABLE! And you SUBMIT! Even on credit - GRANDNITS of the population will pay ...
      2. -1
        7 December 2021 17: 49
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
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        According to the profiles there was a Jew ...
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        In childhood, too, was a Jew ...
        Jews, Jews, climbed into Adjubei! ...
        Writer Gorky Alexey
        There was a witty Jew.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        It is said that in hockey
        Jews appear ...
        Look at the goalkeepers -
        And whatever the mask, the Jew ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        But Grandmaster Petrosyan -
        Father of Armenians and mother of Armenians.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        And General Pindyhui
        So he is a Jew in principle ...
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        Pasternak and celery,
        Whatever a vegetable is a Jew ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        The satellite rushes in orbit
        With perigee at its apogee.
        The bracket flies nailed in it -
        The first Jew in space ...
        Hurray - Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        And in the zoo in animals
        An elephant is a Chuvash, but a lion is a Jew ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        And you, Lysenko, do not be shy -
        Confess that you are a Jew.
        Jews, Jews, Jews alone.
        Here is even our wonderful Moscow Art Theater
        Has become a little bit parhat ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        I came to the doctor to somehow treat a boil,
        The Jew himself and the doctor is a Jew.
        Jews, gathered, all Jews gathered ...
        Even take dentists -
        There is a Jew and a Jew there.
        Do not be yourself, you know, such Jews,
        All b went without teeth.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        Now, if there is no water in the tap,
        Then they drank the water - who do you think? - Jews!
        Jews, only Jews around ...
        I go to the grocery -
        No cheese, only Jews ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        I go to haberdashery -
        There is no wool and no Jews.
        Jews, Jews, where? They say that all the Jews in Odessa.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        Charles de Gaulle grew up in Paris,
        He has a nose with a hint.
        But Odessa tells me
        "Well this is ours, a Jewish Jew ..."
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        Happiness somehow smiled
        I'm in one of the lotteries.
        I won the ruble, but the Volga
        Won - Lord! - my neighbor, a Jew ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        Here is Vanka the watchman at the door
        Though snub-nosed, but a Jew.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        Old Jew in the Tretyakov Gallery
        Young says
        "Do you remember the three heroes?
        So in the center of Muromets - a Jew! "
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        In hot Africa, the nations
        There is also a thin breed,
        For example, here is a pygmy -
        Though black, but a Jew.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        Even a sparrow bird
        By habits like a Jew.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        Best Jewish Comedian -
        Artist Evgeny Evstigneev.
        The one in the Moscow Art Theater, they say.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        Doc Bernard at the Negro May
        He took the heart out of his chest,
        According to him, learned that May
        He was just a black Jew ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        Here is “Spartacus” - a team like that
        One Jew and that one.
        All "Chernomorets" of Jews -
        Here's an example for the masters!
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        The knock of doors on the mechanic
        The last Jew left.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        Moishes do not fly into space,
        They are not released from the ground.
        Where is the guarantee that a Jew
        He won't run away from space ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        Among scientists and doctors
        Every fifth is not a Jew
        Well, the rest - you understand ...
        Jews, Jews, Jews alone.
        In a good fairy tale about animals
        Aibolit and Barmaley.
        In, pancake , a riddle for children -
        Well, who are the two of them a Jew?
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ... (x2)
        In the world there is no fighter brave,
        Than a frightened Jew ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        From Kuriles to the Carpathians
        A Jew is a friend and brother to a Jew.
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        Chancre with gonorrhea
        Also invented by a Jew.
        But why? That's not clear! Jews ...
        Jews, Jews, only Jews around ...
        Well, my friends, brother, I have -
        There are no Russians at all ...
        Jews, Jews, cr ...

        Plus mine. I am for world conspiracy.
        1. -1
          8 December 2021 09: 56
          "Moishes do not fly into space,
          They are not released from the ground.
          Where is the guarantee that a Jew
          He won't run away from space ... "
          Twice Hero of the Soviet Union, head of the Mission Control Center, pilot-cosmonaut Boris Volynov, a Jew. Five flights into space.
          "Jews, Jews, only Jews around ..."
    2. +1
      7 December 2021 16: 05
      Nobody will give Ukraine anything from air defense.
      States from KSA Patriots took away - not enough themselves.
      And even if there was something - time to prepare
      calculations take many months.
    3. +3
      7 December 2021 21: 11
      In fact, the Ukrainian air defense system is quite serious and massive. She, like everything left to her from the SA. Buki, S300, Torah, Kolchuga - this is a serious outfit of forces and its elimination requires serious efforts. Against this background, the Americans cannot supply the APU with anything comparable to what the APU already has. Another thing is that all this has a problem. The Ukrainians did not produce the air defense systems themselves, all these complexes are constantly becoming obsolete and losing their resources. Ammunition is very limited, especially after explosions of warehouses, plus it loses its condition. The main enemy of the Alliance is time. Air defense systems of 30-40 years of age, without access to qualified repair and supply of spare parts, are more and more depleting their resource. Vaughn ukrov has already been caught trying to buy decommissioned and used spare parts from 300 in the Russian Federation. They also cannot buy them in Eastern Europe. The air defense system of the air defense forces is quite decent now and is doomed to degradation.
      1. +1
        7 December 2021 21: 32
        Quote: g1v2
        The air defense system of the Ukrainian Armed Forces is quite decent now and is doomed to degradation.

        Moreover, the Ukrainian military has experience in the combat use of air defense systems. There have already been conflicts in Africa, in which one side was supported by the advisers of the Russian Federation, and the opposite side was supported by the advisers of Ukraine. Used fighters MiG-29 and Su-27, air defense systems "Buk", etc.
        It is necessary, if necessary, to prepare to work carefully, not like in Georgia.
        1. +1
          8 December 2021 13: 47
          In Georgia, we had a SA fragment in fact. Now the situation is different and the army is fundamentally different. Other content and equipment. And other possibilities. Most of the Aerospace Forces went through Syria. But of course, you shouldn't underestimate the APA either - air defense suppression operations must be carefully planned. Otherwise, losses are inevitable.
      2. +3
        7 December 2021 21: 47
        30+ year old air defense systems / air defense systems and air defense missile systems in Ukraine in the required technical condition could only be maintained at the expense of cannibalization and minor modernization work. It is enough to watch their videos from parades and exercises to understand that everything is bad with their air defense.
      3. +1
        8 December 2021 09: 58
        The exception is Kolchuga. It was produced in Donetsk at Topaz. But 40% of the blocks were supplied from Novosibirsk, tuned and sealed.
      4. -3
        8 December 2021 10: 43
        Not just serious, but also a lot of it - 400+ launchers. Like the Bundeswehr. Only this is not fossil crap like the Germans have, but good Soviet complexes.

        Therefore, conversations about how we will bomb everything there - just from ignorance. At first, you will have to fight without aviation.

        On the other hand, without aviation - there is an interesting experience of the Karabakh war, there is something to study
        1. +1
          8 December 2021 13: 49
          Yes, no, you won't have to fight without aviation. But the suppression of the Ukrainian air defense will have to be planned carefully and by large means, and at the same time losses are possible. But you will have to crush the air defense first of all in any case.
        2. +1
          9 December 2021 07: 21
          they were good in the 1990s, long storage periods negatively affect the condition of the air defense system, radar. Their air defense equipment park has not been significantly updated, I also use the legacy of the USSR. We got to the point that on some complexes they paint over the numbers on the rockets !!!
          1. 0
            9 December 2021 10: 30
            Yes. Nevertheless, it is not necessary to rely only on the fact that their missiles will not fly, and the personnel will scatter. Each unit of combat aviation is too valuable for us.
            1. +1
              9 December 2021 13: 25
              Remembering the anecdote about the Ukrainian partisan detachment of 3 people, I will assume that we have information on the numerical and qualitative composition of the air defense of Ukraine and the headquarters will be able to develop a plan for neutralization.
      5. +2
        8 December 2021 11: 06
        Quote: g1v2
        In fact, the Ukrainian air defense system is quite serious and massive.
        Only 404s will not understand a simple thing - they do not need a staff member of their air defense: Westerners will put airspace under surveillance and download data to their control centers: the program is called the Regional Airspace Initiative and has been developing since the collapse of the Union. The very same Romanians are quite accidentally active participants, like all this Eastern European riffraff. And they can donate equipment for a dozen lyams, but the rest is all by ourselves ... and in Ramstein, having received the data, they will decide what to do
  2. +4
    7 December 2021 14: 15
    Against this background, Ukrainian military "experts" began disputes about the likely supply of anti-aircraft systems. Some argue that the United States will supply Ukraine "almost for nothing" with Patriot air defense systems

    Why is human stupidity heard from the lips of the Ukrainian media. Well, who gives free under capitalism, weren't you taught at school - "Free cheese happens, only in a mousetrap, even for Svidomo."
    1. +1
      7 December 2021 14: 28
      Americans can take payment "in kind": land, industrial enterprises, and other liquid objects. The top of the ukrovs are ready to give up everything, even take off their last pants.
      1. +5
        7 December 2021 14: 41
        What the fuck are you smoking? The top is not a clown, but real oligarchs boys. Will they give it all away? something is not visible.
        1. +5
          7 December 2021 14: 56
          These "boys and" godfathers "will be put in cancer, if necessary, and the business will be squeezed out.
          1. +1
            7 December 2021 21: 36
            Quote: frruc
            These "boys and" godfathers "will be put in cancer, if necessary, and the business will be squeezed out.

            Duc, the process has already started. And by setting and spinning. It's not very fast, but inevitable ...
        2. +1
          7 December 2021 15: 01
          Quote: Petrik66
          The top is not a clown, but real oligarchs boys. Will they give it all away? something is not visible.

          One thing is clear that all state-forming enterprises are already "kyrdik", and from the "real guys" there will be a layer of the occupation administration with a small business, neither the United States nor the West needs it (let them provide themselves, they will be angrier towards their own).
          And laws on land have been adopted and are progressing towards the west.
      2. -2
        7 December 2021 14: 53
        Quote: frruc
        The top of the ukrovs are ready to give up everything, even take off their last pants.

        It's hard to argue with that. Are you ready to take any trash and, a little bit !, can I get some more money? winked
      3. +1
        7 December 2021 14: 55
        Quote: frruc
        The top of the ukrovs are ready to give up everything, even take off their last pants.

        And many who live there do not believe it. Sad but true.
      4. 0
        7 December 2021 15: 32
        Quote: frruc
        Americans can take payment "in kind"

        Maybe they can, but not in the case of Ukraine. In the event of a complete failure of their ideas, the Americans will remain at a broken trough.
        1. +2
          7 December 2021 16: 41
          It looks like the Americans are there for a long time. Ukraine is not Afghanistan with its Taliban.
          1. +2
            7 December 2021 19: 35
            Quote: frruc
            It looks like the Americans are there for a long time. Ukraine is not Afghanistan with its Taliban.

            They will skate faster than from Afghanistan wassat The Russian army is not the Taliban.
            https://ria.ru/20211207/evakuatsiya-1762623241.html
            1. 0
              7 December 2021 19: 59
              Nobody is going to invade Ukraine, let alone conquer. Who needs this suitcase without a handle and invest in it?
              1. +1
                7 December 2021 20: 23
                Quote: frruc
                Nobody is going to invade Ukraine, let alone conquer.

                I agree, but the government there needs to be changed to an adequate one.
                1. 0
                  7 December 2021 20: 26
                  Let the citizens themselves change. I am categorically against any forceful interference from outside into the process.
                  1. +2
                    7 December 2021 21: 39
                    Quote: frruc
                    I am categorically against any forceful interference from outside into the process.

                    Without external support, as a rule, such processes do not lead to results.
                2. -4
                  8 December 2021 00: 17
                  Quote: kventinasd
                  I agree, but the government there needs to be changed to an adequate one.

                  the people will not support the authorities who declare that the Crimea and Donbass will give Russia.
                  So the power will change to exactly the same. The only difference will be radical hawks or slightly less radical hawks.
      5. +3
        7 December 2021 15: 49
        Well, let’s say, they don’t take off their pants and not only the latter, but from the people it’s quite easy.
        1. 0
          7 December 2021 17: 37
          In my opinion, they have already removed ... one underwear is left and then not for long.
          1. -1
            7 December 2021 18: 48
            The people have ALREADY been divided into classes. Yes, everything that did not hold well was already removed from the unit. But there is still another part - gas companies, utilities, power engineers, bakeries, railway workers, law enforcement officers. There are also private entrepreneurs, about half of them survive. About those who have more. Deputies of Verkhovna Zrada have doubled the salary for their assistants - from 65 thousand to 124 thousand hryvnia. But the process of nudity is not over yet. A law is already being adopted, according to which the state can levy a tax not only on profits, but also on expenses.
  3. +1
    7 December 2021 14: 18
    Their potential was always at a "high" level, as it stood on a hill. But seriously, what is there to evaluate? Civil aircraft shot down by mistake or deliberately?
  4. +4
    7 December 2021 14: 33
    Ukrainian military "experts" have begun disputes over the likely supply of anti-aircraft systems.
    This is exclusively in Ukrainian - to divide the skin of a bear that has not been killed. They haven’t given anything yet, but they are already speculating that they will give it, preferably free of charge. Drooling streams, fantasies overflow. The Americans promised the Stinger MANPADS that they might be delivered to the Ukrainian warriors.
    1. 0
      7 December 2021 14: 55
      Quote: rotmistr60
      The Americans promised the Stinger MANPADS that they might be delivered to the Ukrainian warriors.

      They will take them to the front line and there the warrant officer will shake off their militias ... wassat
  5. +2
    7 December 2021 14: 36
    After all, God does not give horns to a butting cow.
    After all, at the time of the collapse of the USSR, Ukraine had the most powerful air defense, not counting the air force of only the air defense of the 2nd army.
    S-300 S-200 Buki, s-125. Really layered air defense system.
    And now all hope is for free patriots, and all this inheritance is rotting in the fields and in warehouses ...

    How can you even compare 404 and RF, which some do on this forum?
    Ukraine has not really made a single step forward since the founding of its "state".
    Where are the new aircraft, tanks, ships, shipyards, factories, factories, agricultural holdings, bridges, highways, nuclear power plants ...
    1. +2
      7 December 2021 15: 03
      Quote: bk316
      Where are the new aircraft, tanks, ships, shipyards, factories, factories, agricultural holdings, bridges, highways, nuclear power plants ...

      Remained in the past, in the Ukrainian SSR.
      1. +2
        7 December 2021 15: 24
        After checking the state of Ukraine's air defense, the American delegation sends a telegram to Washington "Sir, we looked - we were surprised, counted, wept." No Indians have ever been as expensive for cowboys as Papuans in central Europe! You understand them a mirror, beads, promises of eternal friendship, but they demand money and revolvers!
      2. +1
        7 December 2021 15: 55
        Quote: tihonmarine
        Remained in the past, in the Ukrainian SSR.

        Vlad, well, the scenario of a "war with Ukraine" is very undesirable for us, although the United States is pushing us to this, heating up the situation to the limit, we will not go to this war.
        Svidomye came and will go, but the people of Ukraine will remain!
        I didn't want human grief between us, I really didn't want hi
        1. +1
          7 December 2021 16: 54
          Quote: Edik
          Vlad, well, the scenario of a "war with Ukraine" is very undesirable for us, although the United States is pushing us to this, heating up the situation to the limit, we will not go to this war.

          This is how Ukraine has been pushed into a war with Russia for seven years. Although not gifts were Yushchenko and Poroshenko, but they did not want to attack. Found "their man" clown, now they rape him - "Come on Zelya, come on!" And now Zelya is spinning like a crucian in a frying pan, and suddenly Putin will go to the provocation. Although this is out of the question. And the people in Ukraine in the majority do not want this. So they will soon stop all this red tape - "Russia is already capturing us, tomorrow it will be in Kiev."
          1. 0
            7 December 2021 17: 58
            suddenly Putin will go to the provocation.

            Now who doesn’t need it because it’s Putin.
            Putin's task is to complete the rearmament of the Armed Forces and, finally, to carry out import substitution in full. And all this time not only not to provoke anyone, but also not to succumb to other people's provocations. The nearest term is 24 years and this is extremely optimistic. And so somewhere by 30. But by this time, the PRC will surpass the United States both in terms of GDP and in the fleet, and then the United States will have to be afraid of provocations.
            1. +2
              7 December 2021 18: 39
              Quote: bk316
              And all this time not only not to provoke anyone, but also not to succumb to other people's provocations. The nearest term is 24 years and this is extremely optimistic.
              Russia does not need a war.
              Under Alexander III, the state received a powerful impetus for development. Russia began to steadily rise, grow rich and build up power. The "Russophile" policy of Alexander played a huge role. Russophobia was prohibited by law. The state set a course for national identity, the development of Russian spirituality and Russian culture, the development of national outskirts and their introduction to civilization, the great Russian culture.
              The bitter experience of the XNUMXth century showed the Russian emperor that every time the Russian Empire took part in the struggle of any European coalitions, it later had only to bitterly regret it. He saw that the British, French, Germans and Austrians all saw in Russia not a strategic ally, but only a tool for the realization of their selfish aspirations. Therefore, Alexander III at every opportunity made it clear that he was ready to accept the challenge, but was only interested in the well-being of the huge Russian people. During his reign, he did not fight a single war.
          2. 0
            8 December 2021 00: 23
            Quote: tihonmarine
            Although not gifts were Yushchenko and Poroshenko, but they did not want to attack

            Since when did Yushchenko want to attack ?? The only president who has shown Russia's firm position in attempting a territorial conflict is a good friend of the Kremlin-Kuchma. It was Tuzla.
            Yushchenko sawed himself with the Kremlin gas under the new program and prices.
            And I remember Poroshenko in one word, with such an intonation (the word is Russia) ..
            He pronounced it more often than the Russians.
            And in general he was a hawk. And his entourage.
            And you remember every week an article where Poroshenko is about to go on the attack.
            For the Military Review, this is a gold mine - there Poroshenko went to Donbass every day and new dates. Now Zelensky ..
            I always had a question - if the Americans control Ukraine in this way and order it to fight with Russia, then why is this not happening?
            The answer is to be afraid. Some kind of schizophrenia. Fully controlled but not subordinate. Every week goes on the attack, but already 8 years of these forecasts.
            In Ukraine, no forecasts for VO work.
            1. 0
              8 December 2021 11: 23
              Quote: Astronomy
              In Ukraine, no forecasts for VO work.

              Well, if the owner is already disowning Ukraine, then it is clear that nothing is working there.
        2. +1
          7 December 2021 21: 43
          Quote: Edik
          Svidomye how they came and will go

          They themselves will not go anywhere. In order for them to "leave", you need to competently, purposefully, work a lot and for a long time.
  6. 0
    7 December 2021 14: 54
    Shaw, is it really for that? Ha, wait for the striped ones. The Ukronatsiks themselves are dumb.
  7. -1
    7 December 2021 14: 56
    "appreciated" is a loose concept. maybe they rated it "zero" ...
  8. +1
    7 December 2021 15: 00
    Aha! Tai-fighters and X-Wings are already on the way, on Imperial cruisers they are gluing the plates on the mov. But on the Death Star, the dates were shifted to the right ...
    And so: Stinger and Blopipe are in capable hands ... and they are?
    1. 0
      7 December 2021 15: 02
      there are no javelins either.
      1. +1
        7 December 2021 15: 10
        there are no javelins either.

        Javelin's striking element ... CORE. And the battery runs out instantly. Forward to the falconets!
        1. +2
          7 December 2021 15: 11
          no, you are definitely not a tanker.
          1. +1
            7 December 2021 15: 14
            You are definitely not a tanker.

            Well, the news is not about tanks.
            1. 0
              7 December 2021 18: 09
              well, and not a pilot. Stinger is not coming for you, right?
  9. -1
    7 December 2021 15: 09
    What potential there might be is not clear. There is no production, no mind, no fantasy either.
    1. +2
      7 December 2021 15: 14
      So I'm surprised. If there is no potential for what a fight.
  10. 0
    7 December 2021 15: 32
    American specialists have already visited Kiev.

    They began to "visit" there, since 1991 they climbed and licked all the nooks and crannies left in Ukraine from the military-industrial complex of the USSR. They even brought their own equipment to destroy the "White Swans".
    As a result, 25 years later, Ukraine scolded at Euro-American landfills.
    1. Aag
      0
      7 December 2021 18: 17
      Quote: askort154
      American specialists have already visited Kiev.

      They began to "visit" there, since 1991 they climbed and licked all the nooks and crannies left in Ukraine from the military-industrial complex of the USSR. They even brought their own equipment to destroy the "White Swans".
      As a result, 25 years later, Ukraine scolded at Euro-American landfills.

      ... In 91 they also actively "visited" us, - not an argument ...
      ... And now they are present (financially, administratively, on the boards of directors of individual companies) ... and ... this ... "confuses"))) ...
      I think - it would not be like this with us - some of the former Allies would also not be allowed.
      hi
  11. +1
    7 December 2021 15: 53
    What conclusion the experts came to is not reported

    but it would be interesting to know the result of the inspection. How rotten is everything there and how many layers of paint does this system hold?
    1. -2
      7 December 2021 18: 17
      send a request to the State Department ...
      1. +1
        7 December 2021 20: 35
        I'll wait for the Ukrainians to merge this information
        1. -2
          8 December 2021 14: 46
          be sure to merge.
          The main thing is to believe! bully
          1. 0
            8 December 2021 14: 49
            yes, it is enough to watch the video from the air defense exercises of Ukraine to draw certain conclusions.
            1. -2
              8 December 2021 17: 01
              You were shown the "light version" ... wassat
              1. 0
                9 December 2021 07: 15
                light version of dried dung. Do you want to talk about hunting or burning in one place?
                1. -2
                  9 December 2021 13: 59
                  to be rude, this is innate in you, right?
                  be ....
                  1. 0
                    9 December 2021 22: 24
                    we haven’t gotten to be rude yet, but inappropriate flat jokes and jumps are typical. so are you bored or burning?
  12. -1
    7 December 2021 16: 46
    The United States sent experts to Ukraine to study and assess the potential of the existing air defense system,

    Something I remembered a life episode from the process of the medical examination at the recruiting station: "Bend over, spread your hands (well, you understand that ...)" recourse
  13. 0
    7 December 2021 17: 47
    That would be the case.
    The very fact of the use of Soviet weapons against Soviet weapons is very interesting.
    It is necessary, necessary and necessary ...
    1. Aag
      0
      7 December 2021 18: 22
      Quote: DED_peer_DED
      That would be the case.
      The very fact of the use of Soviet weapons against Soviet weapons is very interesting.
      It is necessary, necessary and necessary ...

      It sounds somehow sad ... (
      ... even BDSM smacks (well, - purely in theory ...).
      One thing may please - the performance characteristics are known, the methodology, the level of preparation of the calculations (tentatively) ...
      1. +2
        7 December 2021 18: 27
        Quote: AAG
        One thing can please

        About "please" is yours. Not mine.
        "I beg your pardon" (c)
        1. Aag
          +1
          7 December 2021 19: 13
          Quote: DED_peer_DED
          Quote: AAG
          One thing can please

          About "please" is yours. Not mine.
          "I beg your pardon" (c)

          "One thing can please, - the performance characteristics are known, the methodology, the level of preparation of calculations (tentatively) ...." - Yes, - mine ... So I expressed my opinion.
          ... "The fact of the use of Soviet weapons against Soviet weapons is very interesting" ... - Yours.
          IMHO: "interesting" - from the point of view of outside observers (well, in a professional sense for techies, military men, although, I think, there is nothing new there for them) ...
          Sorry if I misunderstood your comment ...
          1. +1
            7 December 2021 19: 16
            Quote: AAG
            Sorry if I misunderstood your comment ...


            I'm a techie myself.
            I really don't want war, but I understand when it is needed.
            + To you as a person.
            1. Aag
              +1
              7 December 2021 20: 48
              Quote: DED_peer_DED
              Quote: AAG
              Sorry if I misunderstood your comment ...


              I'm a techie myself.
              I really don't want war, but I understand when it is needed.
              + To you as a person.

              What a laconic commentary, and how many topics for controversy! (If anything, today is the drinking companion's day))) see the query in the search engine ...
              ... Here you have four lines, - I already have four "topics":
              1) "... the techie himself ..."
              Not regarding you specifically, I don’t know, now there are so many ... to boast ... Education, place of work, mentality, - what should be considered a criterion? ... Service in engineering and command positions. Work (on retirement of the Moscow region), wherever, whoever did not work. Not a financier, not a lawyer, not even a manager, never! ...
              At work ... I carry out the functionality of which the monkey, with the proper approach (and stimulation, can be trained,).
              Better a dog, and he worked as a dog handler ...
              Sorry, long topic ...
              2) "... I really don't want war ..."
              Likewise !!! Only those who are sure that she will not negatively touch them can want ...
              Well, and also, it looks like you are a Russian person, ours! Based on the lines of the song, "Do the Russians want wars?" ...
              3) "... I understand when it is needed ..."
              Yes, there were postulates from the classics ... In this particular situation, the list of interested parties is almost obvious. But! The Russian Federation, at least externally, positions itself in this matter in such a way that it is extremely difficult not to understand (if desired) ...
              4) "... + to you, as a person ..."
              Thank you, of course ...
              Only, perhaps, you shouldn't make hasty, emotional conclusions (all the more so - about casual acquaintances))), and old friends, at times, do not change for the better.
              ... Like - a warning))).
              How many times did I drive into these rocks myself !!
              I want to believe in the best.
              hi
              1. +1
                7 December 2021 21: 33
                Quote: AAG
                Only, perhaps, you should not make hasty, emotional conclusions

                Uh, no.
                I respect people who think, think, analyze.
                I used to think that everyone is the same.
                Well .... youth (80s), adolescents, etc. G.R. 1961.
                How many times did I drive into these rocks myself !!
                I want to believe in the best.

                That's right, in our opinion!
                Techie, not the right word, I am silent, I am silent .... :)
                Let's break through with God's help.
                1. Aag
                  +1
                  7 December 2021 21: 54
                  "... Well .... youth (80s), adolescents, etc. G.R. 1961 ..."
                  G.R. 66 ... Excuse me ...
                  Sorry for the "courage" - one generation, one "field of berries" ... hi
                  "... Let's break through with God's help ..."
                  I believe in Carrying out (!) ... and so, excuse me, - more an atheist (not an antichrist) ...
                  Let's break through! ... Where else can we go ?! drinks hi
                  1. 0
                    7 December 2021 22: 37
                    Quote: AAG
                    Let's break through! ... Where else can we go ?!

                    Here!
                    No matter what.
                    1. Aag
                      0
                      7 December 2021 22: 53
                      One of the few, Live serials ... C, in the Ministry of Internal Affairs, personally, communicated
                      not for long ... Its specificity, its "cockroaches" ... But, -
                      I found normal People ...
                      I don’t know the current ones. Let them not be offended - the situation has not assumed normal characters for a long time ... hi
                      1. +1
                        7 December 2021 22: 59
                        Quote: AAG
                        I don't know the current ones

                        Everything is crappy there. As an everywhere.
                        Ideology - grandmother, grandmother, and again ... The rest is also not sugar.
                        The video was just about Let's break through.
                        I want my country, ours.
  14. +1
    7 December 2021 21: 32
    As they say in Kiev, the danger of a missile strike on the most important infrastructure "has increased many times."
    The danger of a missile strike can only be felt after the infrastructure survives! A missile strike is a multifaceted concept and defies conventional forecasts.
    1. -1
      7 December 2021 21: 40
      Quote: Vladimir61
      attack, the concept is multifaceted and does not lend itself to conventional forecasts.

      But they are also mathematicians, numericalists and cabalists.
      Wherever you spit, they have already calculated everything, even the weight of the soul has already been calculated. Oh how ...
  15. -1
    7 December 2021 21: 52
    Look, who was appointed as the chief minister, a digital person, even more, a digital person.
    By chance ?
    No.
    The digital concentration camp in our (our?) Country runs ahead of everyone. But the rest of the "crap" did not go far from "ours". A little, only - they are late. Why ?
    Yes, because we (we?) Have the most energetic of their tribe. They understand that their "energy" plus our brains is the best they can have.
    And they have the full program.
  16. 0
    7 December 2021 22: 24
    how much iron do not drive, but the gasket remains ...
    ps then where will they write off? !!
  17. 0
    7 December 2021 23: 08
    Today I brought another from the VNA to clean water -



    Please take into account.
    1. 0
      8 December 2021 00: 28
      Quote: DED_peer_DED
      Please take into account.

      Quote: DED_peer_DED
      Today I brought another from VNA to clean water

      Now a medal is given for this?
      Or is the task? Quest? Tick ​​tock challenge?
      He did not break the rules of the forum. Answered quite reasonably.
      I even remember exactly the same reproaches from Russians to Jews! In the same way, they wrote to them that they were teaching them laughing
      Or is it another?
      1. 0
        8 December 2021 00: 30
        To the gastronome.
        I even remember exactly the same reproaches from Russians to Jews! In the same way, they wrote to them that they were teaching them laughing
        Or is it another?

        How did you guess?
    2. +1
      8 December 2021 14: 25
      Quote: DED_peer_DED
      Please take into account.

      you need to look at the registration time if you don't like the content of the posts. If it's fresh, and even trolling is available, then you shouldn't react to such.smile
  18. 0
    8 December 2021 01: 03
    Ukrainian specialists served Buki in Africa and Georgia.
    1. 0
      8 December 2021 01: 06
      Quote: Pavel57
      Ukrainian specialists served Buki in Africa and Georgia.

      Ah, our F-17s are in Yugoslavia :)
      1. 0
        8 December 2021 01: 32
        What is the F-17?
        1. 0
          8 December 2021 01: 36
          I beg your pardon, the figure blew through in my hands.
          F-117
  19. 0
    8 December 2021 01: 49
    Quote: DED_peer_DED
    I beg your pardon, the figure blew through in my hands.
    F-117

    That is, your original phrase - and ours in Yugoslavia are F-117.
    The phrase is still incomprehensible.
    1. -1
      8 December 2021 03: 45
      Quote: Pavel57
      That is, your original phrase - and ours in Yugoslavia are F-117.
      The phrase is still incomprehensible.

      And you use 0.5 just for one wave, go out and understand everything Yes
    2. +1
      8 December 2021 14: 29
      Quote: Pavel57
      That is, your original phrase - and ours in Yugoslavia are F-117.
      The phrase is still incomprehensible.

      You are reading without context. It should be like this:
      Quote: Pavel57
      Ukrainian specialists served Buki in Africa and Georgia.

      Ah, our F-117s are in Yugoslavia :)
      I guess it was a joke about the downed 117.
  20. +2
    8 December 2021 07: 06
    American experts assess the potential of the Ukrainian air defense system

    They are preparing for a war with Russia, as Georgia once did.
  21. 0
    8 December 2021 12: 52
    The delivery of even MANPADS to Ukraine is just a slap in the face of the Kremlin. You need to react to this very harshly, but given that the enemy is already on the doorstep, and we are chewing snot, I won’t be surprised if in this situation we’ll try too hard. At this rate, our red lines will soon be around the Moscow Ring Road.
    1. +1
      8 December 2021 14: 22
      Quote: silver_roman
      The delivery of even MANPADS to Ukraine is just a slap in the face of the Kremlin.
      To squeeze the country under the nose of the Kremlin is not spit, but the supply of MANPADS spit? Strange logic.
      1. 0
        9 December 2021 00: 19
        not spitting because the country was doing push-ups for a long time and methodically without any resistance from the Kremlin. So this is quite natural. And the delivery of MANPADS is a rather spontaneous and aggressive decision. So nothing strange
  22. +1
    8 December 2021 12: 54
    they only know how to shoot down civilian planes ... soldier
  23. +1
    8 December 2021 14: 21
    As they say in Kiev, the danger of a missile strike on the most important infrastructure "has increased many times."
    Don't these freaks understand? For the West, there are no "essential infrastructures" in the Square!